RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME

August 21, 2003

Dear Mr. Balaji,

I hope that you are fine.

From your querry it is not clear that what is putting you in trouble.

See, every method is tough till we get use to it or practised enough to handle it properly.

If you can clearify what you actually want to know then members may find it easy to handle your querry.

Hope you will get me what I want to say.

Pls elaborate.

with regards,

Anurodh."Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan wrote:

Hello everybody

Kindy pls tell me do u have any findings or rules that makes RBT(Rectification of Birth Time) very easy and accurate.

Pls share ur experience frankly with all.

Thanking you

Balaji Gopalakrishnan

chennai-4.

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August 21, 2003

Hai anurodhji and all

Thanks for your reply.See,as far as K.P is concerned,u know that it has lot of benefits and qualifications which anyother system does not have.

But before getting to the system of predicting,the chart should be checked whether it is accurate or not.We know that our guruji has taught us about Ruling Planets,the best system available for Rectifying a chart.

The point here is

1)How to handle correctly the system of rectifying a chart.

2)If the chart is rectified as per the system,how to understand that it is rectified perfectly(apart from cross-checking with past events).

3) if u have any special points related to the rectification of birth time,that is what i have asked for here.

Hope u understand now.Pls tell me in detail.

Thanking you

Balaji Gopalakrishnan

044-98401 40690Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1 wrote:

Dear Mr. Balaji,

I hope that you are fine.

From your querry it is not clear that what is putting you in trouble.

See, every method is tough till we get use to it or practised enough to handle it properly.

If you can clearify what you actually want to know then members may find it easy to handle your querry.

Hope you will get me what I want to say.

Pls elaborate.

with regards,

Anurodh."Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan wrote:

Hello everybody

Kindy pls tell me do u have any findings or rules that makes RBT(Rectification of Birth Time) very easy and accurate.

Pls share ur experience frankly with all.

Thanking you

Balaji Gopalakrishnan

chennai-4.

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August 21, 2003

, " Balaji G.krishnan "

<balaji_g_krishnan> wrote:

>

> Hai anurodhji and all

>

> Thanks for your reply.See,as far as K.P is concerned,u know that it

has lot of benefits and qualifications which anyother system does not

have.

>

> But before getting to the system of predicting,the chart should be

checked whether it is accurate or not.We know that our guruji has

taught us about Ruling Planets,the best system available for

Rectifying a chart.

>

> The point here is

>

> 1)How to handle correctly the system of rectifying a chart.

> 2)If the chart is rectified as per the system,how to understand

that it is rectified perfectly(apart from cross-checking with past

events).

>

> 3) if u have any special points related to the rectification of

birth time,that is what i have asked for here.

>

> Hope u understand now.Pls tell me in detail.

>

> Thanking you

> Balaji Gopalakrishnan

> 044-98401 40690

> Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1> wrote:

> Dear Mr. Balaji,

> I hope that you are fine.

>

> From your querry it is not clear that what is putting you in

trouble.

>

> See, every method is tough till we get use to it or practised

enough to handle it properly.

> If you can clearify what you actually want to know then members may

find it easy to handle your querry.

>

> Hope you will get me what I want to say.

>

> Pls elaborate.

> with regards,

> Anurodh.

>

> " Balaji G.krishnan " <balaji_g_krishnan> wrote:

> Hello everybody

>

> Kindy pls tell me do u have any findings or rules that makes RBT

(Rectification of Birth Time) very easy and accurate.

>

> Pls share ur experience frankly with all.

>

> Thanking you

> Balaji Gopalakrishnan

> chennai-4.

>

> Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players and more! Click on India Promos

>

June 26, 2005

Dear Kanak ji,

I. KP Reader III, Jan 2004, Finance by Borrowing, p 205---

By association, is meant that

(a) the house may be occupied by or aspected by a planet or

(b) the lord of the house may occupy the houses 6,8, or 12 or be

conjoined with them or asected by them.

II. Ref Sandy Crowther's http://www.jupitersweb.com/kp

1. A Planet Connected with Another Planet:

(a) Suppose Jupiter occupies Capricorn or Aquarius, or

(b) it is in the star or sub of Saturn; or

Then it may be said that Jupiter is connected with Saturn.

2. A Planet Connected with Any House:

(a) Suppose that Jupiter is the owner, or the star lord , or the

sub lord of the ascending degree (the cusp of the 1st house - or the

Ascendant); or

(b) Jupiter occupies the 1st house; or

(d) It is in the star or sub of the occupant of the 1st house; or

(e) It is in the star or sub of the owner of the 1st house; or

(f) It is conjunct with or aspected by the owner of the 1st

house;

Then it may be said that Jupiter is connected with the 1st house.

3. A House or its Owner Connected with the 6th, 8th, or 12th:

(a) Suppose that the owner of the 6th, 8th, or 12th occupies or

aspects the 4th house;

Then it may be said that the 4th house is connected with the 6th,

the 8th, or the 12th.

(b) 1. Suppose the owner of the 4th house occupies the 6th, 8th,

or 12th; or

2. It is in the star of of the owner of the 6th, 8th, or

12th; or

3. It is in conjunction with or aspected by the owner of

the 6th, 8th, or 12th;

Then it may be said that the owner of the 4th is connected with the

6th, the 8th, or the 12th house.

So the term " Connected with in any Manner " is very wide in its

meaning.

Regards,

tw

, " Kanak Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...>

wrote:

>

June 26, 2005

Dear Tin win ji,

thank you.

I Know this but some members have doubt about interpretation of "Connected with in any Manner". and rise a doubt about we are not on right track and dont understand right meaning of "Connected with in any Manner"

Now Shri Tyagaraja ji in chennai so we can ask him for proper interpretation of "Connected with in any Manner". and clear our doubt.

I am wondring that now ,very experienced K.P.astrologer are in our group but no one give his valuble opinion on this issue.we are discuss on this issue from more than one month.I think they are not intrested to share his skill with other. i learn KP after very-very hardship bcoz no one ready to clear my doubt.(when i ask any question to KP master they always laugh and told you are very young to learn Kp and you are just start to learn Kp wait you will found your answer your self.and now what i know is whithout any GURU only C.R.Bhatt's book gide me always.so i suggest every one to read C.R.Bhatt's Books) Raichur ji is only experienced person in our group ,who is ready to share what he know.

regards

kanak>"tw853" <tw853> > > Re: Rectification of Birth Time>Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:13:50 -0000>>Dear Kanak ji,>>I. KP Reader III, Jan 2004, Finance by Borrowing, p 205--->>By association, is meant that>>(a) the house may be occupied by or aspected by a planet or>(b) the lord of the house may occupy the houses 6,8, or 12 or be>conjoined with them or asected by them.>>>II. Ref Sandy Crowther's http://www.jupitersweb.com/kp>>1. A Planet Connected with Another Planet:>> (a) Suppose Jupiter occupies Capricorn or Aquarius, or>> (b) it is in the star or sub of Saturn; or>> © it is in conjunction with or aspected by Saturn;>>Then it may be said that Jupiter is connected with Saturn.>>2. A Planet Connected with Any House:>> (a) Suppose that Jupiter is the owner, or the star lord , or the>sub lord of the ascending degree (the cusp of the 1st house - or the>Ascendant); or>> (b) Jupiter occupies the 1st house; or>> © Jupiter aspects the 1st house; or>> (d) It is in the star or sub of the occupant of the 1st house; or>> (e) It is in the star or sub of the owner of the 1st house; or>> (f) It is conjunct with or aspected by the owner of the 1st>house;>>Then it may be said that Jupiter is connected with the 1st house.>>3. A House or its Owner Connected with the 6th, 8th, or 12th:>> (a) Suppose that the owner of the 6th, 8th, or 12th occupies or>aspects the 4th house;>>Then it may be said that the 4th house is connected with the 6th,>the 8th, or the 12th.>> (b) 1. Suppose the owner of the 4th house occupies the 6th, 8th,>or 12th; or>> 2. It is in the star of of the owner of the 6th, 8th, or>12th; or>> 3. It is in conjunction with or aspected by the owner of>the 6th, 8th, or 12th;>>Then it may be said that the owner of the 4th is connected with the>6th, the 8th, or the 12th house.>>So the term "Connected with in any Manner" is very wide in its>meaning.>>>>Regards,>>tw>>>> , "Kanak Bosmia" <kanbosastro@h...>>wrote:> >>> Find just what you're after with the new, more precise MSN Search - try it now!

June 26, 2005

, " Kanak Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...>

wrote:

Dear Kanakji,

In Astro & KP reader II there was a reference to using 10th Cusp to

verify the correctness of birth time. I had raised this problem more

than a month ago in this forum. Unfortunately , there was NIL response

from any one.This is indeed unfortunate.

It is sad, even now the issue of birth time correction is not

satisfactorily resolved to provide guidelines.

Let the pray for divine intevention,

Regards,

Satish

June 27, 2005

Dear Kanak ji,

1. Pl be patient. As already mentioned, age doesn't matter. Shri

Kuppu Ganapathi has already shared his experience regarding birth

time rectification by RPs in a wise manner.

2. The information was posted with a hope that Rangarajan will be

able to run a program for the mentioned Rule.

3. Another important thing is that we can learn Guruji KSK's

findings by studying only his original writings and others will help

in this respect.

Regards,

tw

, " Kanak Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...>

wrote:

>

June 28, 2005

Dear Satish,

The problem with getting a definitive answer to the problem of

rectification, is that all too often we are presented with cases

sponsored by astrologers who have had what they consider a hit in

a particular 'current' case. This may or may not be valid, as

only time will tell will whether the rectification is correct.

This was why I suggested the experiments from AA rated birth

charts.

This experiment whilst interesting - and showing a bias towards

the horary RP method, is far from conclusive because at best it

gave a 70% success rate.

Another factor is that this method relies on the 'gift' of the

individual astrologer. It is not at all unreasonable to suggest

that some astrologers may have the gift of synchronicity whilst

others do not. We see this in everyday life where some people

appear to have an excellent sense of timing, whilst others seem

to always get it wrong.

On the basis of this it is hard to consider that this method can

ever be labeled scientific.

A more scientific approach is where different astrologers can

examine the same chart and event and using the same technique

can arrive at a like conclusion. Methods such as the Nadi

system, or the Western systems of Kundig and various methods

of progression, lend themselves to these methods of

rectification.

The problem is that when put to systematic tests they seldom

offer the result we would like. I have looked at the Nadi and

Kundig Systems, and found them wanting. More promising is the

Western methods of progression, but they need considerable

research because one has to examine various rates and types of

progression for each event. There are also other

considerations such as which angles to use, whether to use Bija

correction etc.

A simple way of looking at possible rectification is one that

many Western astrologers resort to. This is looking at

the transit of planets at the time of an event related to the

angles of the chart. The slower moving planets do frequently

give an approximate position of birth chart angles by relation to

the time of an important event.

One method that I have not seen canvassed on any of the Lists is

one that I have had some success with. This is the use of the

pendulum. I have taken names from a List showing AA rated

charts where I have not known the time of Birth or any chart

details. I have then checked for TOB or Lagna position by using

a pendulum. I have been pleasantly surprised to find that

frequently the result is within a couple of minutes of the

reported TOB. This has to be more than coincidence out of a

period of 24 hours. Whilst it is not always so accurate, the

results are sufficient for me to believe that with practice this

method could prove very useful.

Ron Gaunt

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:49:13 -0000, you wrote:

> , " Kanak Bosmia " <kanbosastro@h...>

>wrote:

>Dear Kanakji,

>

>In Astro & KP reader II there was a reference to using 10th Cusp to

>verify the correctness of birth time. I had raised this problem more

>than a month ago in this forum. Unfortunately , there was NIL response

>from any one.This is indeed unfortunate.

>

> It is sad, even now the issue of birth time correction is not

>satisfactorily resolved to provide guidelines.

>

> Let the pray for divine intevention,

>

> Regards,

>

>Satish

>

June 29, 2005

Dear Ron,

can you please describe this Pendulum method?

Regards,

Udupa"rongaunt au" <rongaunt wrote:

Dear Satish,The problem with getting a definitive answer to the problem ofrectification, is that all too often we are presented with casessponsored by astrologers who have had what they consider a hit ina particular 'current' case. This may or may not be valid, asonly time will tell will whether the rectification is correct.This was why I suggested the experiments from AA rated birthcharts. This experiment whilst interesting - and showing a bias towardsthe horary RP method, is far from conclusive because at best itgave a 70% success rate.Another factor is that this method relies on the 'gift' of the individual astrologer. It is not at all unreasonable to suggestthat some astrologers may have the gift of synchronicity whilstothers do not. We see this in everyday

life where some peopleappear to have an excellent sense of timing, whilst others seemto always get it wrong.On the basis of this it is hard to consider that this method canever be labeled scientific.A more scientific approach is where different astrologers canexamine the same chart and event and using the same techniquecan arrive at a like conclusion. Methods such as the Nadisystem, or the Western systems of Kundig and various methodsof progression, lend themselves to these methods ofrectification.The problem is that when put to systematic tests they seldom offer the result we would like. I have looked at the Nadi andKundig Systems, and found them wanting. More promising is theWestern methods of progression, but they need considerableresearch because one has to examine various rates and types ofprogression for each event.

There are also otherconsiderations such as which angles to use, whether to use Bijacorrection etc.A simple way of looking at possible rectification is one thatmany Western astrologers resort to. This is looking atthe transit of planets at the time of an event related to theangles of the chart. The slower moving planets do frequentlygive an approximate position of birth chart angles by relation tothe time of an important event.One method that I have not seen canvassed on any of the Lists isone that I have had some success with. This is the use of thependulum. I have taken names from a List showing AA ratedcharts where I have not known the time of Birth or any chartdetails. I have then checked for TOB or Lagna position by usinga pendulum. I have been pleasantly surprised to find thatfrequently the result is within a

couple of minutes of thereported TOB. This has to be more than coincidence out of aperiod of 24 hours. Whilst it is not always so accurate, theresults are sufficient for me to believe that with practice thismethod could prove very useful.Ron GauntOn Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:49:13 -0000, you wrote:> , "Kanak Bosmia" <kanbosastro@h...> >wrote:>Dear Kanakji,>>In Astro & KP reader II there was a reference to using 10th Cusp to >verify the correctness of birth time. I had raised this problem more >than a month ago in this forum. Unfortunately , there was NIL response >from any one.This is indeed unfortunate. >> It is sad, even now the issue of birth time correction is not >satisfactorily resolved to provide guidelines.>> Let the pray for divine intevention,>>

Regards,>>>Satish>>>>>>> >

June 29, 2005

Dear Ron,

Many thanks for your kind reply. I am familiar with the use of

pendulum mainly for dowsing purposes.I have never tried for birth

time rectification.

In Mumbai, amongst the locals there is the concept of 4 step method

where for each planet ,4 levels of signification are arrived at

1.the planets location in respective, ownership of bhavas

2 the starlord of above planet and significations

3 the sublord of planet as in 1.and significations

4 starlord of sublord and significations.

additional weightage is given to planets in its own star and planets

with no planets in its stars.

The author of this method publishes 2 magazines in Marathi a local

language,and annual seminars are held.

Couple of days ago, I spoke to Mr Sunil Gondhalekar,who has written

books on 4 step theory but in Marathi only,(hence restricted

clientile).

When I spoke to him on the issue of Birth time rectification ,

He mentioned that after trying several methods, he has accepted RP

mathodology.The success rate has been around 80%,and was happy with

this level.He is an ardent devotee of KP for nearly 30 years.

To summarise therefore, our search seems to be searching for the

Holy Grail,never ending.

Regards,

Satish

PS for those research minded, you may go the' tatwa' theory,based on

5 elements, covered in PVR Rayudus website.there calculations are

to be done manually.I have tried,a very painstaking effort,for small

success.Mr Khullar , anothed author of Cuspal interlink theory,

states in his book of lack of success in this..

-- In , " rongaunt@b... au " <rongaunt@b...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Satish,

>

> The problem with getting a definitive answer to the problem of

> rectification, is that all too often we are presented with cases

> sponsored by astrologers who have had what they consider a hit in

> a particular 'current' case. This may or may not be valid, as

> only time will tell will whether the rectification is correct.

> This was why I suggested the experiments from AA rated birth

> charts.

>

> This experiment whilst interesting - and showing a bias towards

> the horary RP method, is far from conclusive because at best it

> gave a 70% success rate.

>

> Another factor is that this method relies on the 'gift' of the

> individual astrologer. It is not at all unreasonable to suggest

> that some astrologers may have the gift of synchronicity whilst

> others do not. We see this in everyday life where some people

> appear to have an excellent sense of timing, whilst others seem

> to always get it wrong.

>

> On the basis of this it is hard to consider that this method can

> ever be labeled scientific.

>

> A more scientific approach is where different astrologers can

> examine the same chart and event and using the same technique

> can arrive at a like conclusion. Methods such as the Nadi

> system, or the Western systems of Kundig and various methods

> of progression, lend themselves to these methods of

> rectification.

>

> The problem is that when put to systematic tests they seldom

> offer the result we would like. I have looked at the Nadi and

> Kundig Systems, and found them wanting. More promising is the

> Western methods of progression, but they need considerable

> research because one has to examine various rates and types of

> progression for each event. There are also other

> considerations such as which angles to use, whether to use Bija

> correction etc.

>

> A simple way of looking at possible rectification is one that

> many Western astrologers resort to. This is looking at

> the transit of planets at the time of an event related to the

> angles of the chart. The slower moving planets do frequently

> give an approximate position of birth chart angles by relation to

> the time of an important event.

>

> One method that I have not seen canvassed on any of the Lists is

> one that I have had some success with. This is the use of the

> pendulum. I have taken names from a List showing AA rated

> charts where I have not known the time of Birth or any chart

> details. I have then checked for TOB or Lagna position by using

> a pendulum. I have been pleasantly surprised to find that

> frequently the result is within a couple of minutes of the

> reported TOB. This has to be more than coincidence out of a

> period of 24 hours. Whilst it is not always so accurate, the

> results are sufficient for me to believe that with practice this

> method could prove very useful.

>

> Ron Gaunt

>

> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:49:13 -0000, you wrote:

>

> > , " Kanak Bosmia "

<kanbosastro@h...>

> >wrote:

> >Dear Kanakji,

> >

> >In Astro & KP reader II there was a reference to using 10th Cusp to

> >verify the correctness of birth time. I had raised this problem

more

> >than a month ago in this forum. Unfortunately , there was NIL

response

> >from any one.This is indeed unfortunate.

> >

> > It is sad, even now the issue of birth time correction is not

> >satisfactorily resolved to provide guidelines.

> >

> > Let the pray for divine intevention,

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >Satish

> >

July 1, 2005

Dear Satish,

The four step method you mention should be capable of being

checked for validity. A prominent planet say in conjunction with

natal Ascendant and shown to be important in subsequent events

should show whether this works.

I did a quick check on Tony Blair who has Jupiter in close

conjunction with the Ascendant. Jupiter has been very

prominent in transit in all his political successes.

1. Jupiter's location in respect of bhavas: Jupiter owns 8th,

9th and 12th houses.

2. The starlord of above planet and significations: Starlord is

Sun which is strong 1st and 2nd class significators of the

12th house, but is also weaker significator of 1st house.

3. The sublord of planet as in 1.and significations: Sublord is

Mercury. Mercury is significator of 4 and associated with

2,3,6, and 12.

4. Starlord of sublord and significations: Starlord is Ketu

which is 1st class significators of 6, 10, and 11.

On the whole what stands out here is that except for item

4 the other indicators are not very persuasive.

However item 4 seems extremely persuasive and warrants

further investigation.

Of course this is only one case and really requires many cases

for correct determination. Note that Blair also has Mars in

conjunction with his Ascendant, and this comes up with better

indications, although Mars is not as prominent in transit for his

career successes.

Thanks for the information.

Ron Gaunt

On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:31:19 -0000, you wrote:

>Dear Ron,

>

>Many thanks for your kind reply. I am familiar with the use of

>pendulum mainly for dowsing purposes.I have never tried for birth

>time rectification.

>

>In Mumbai, amongst the locals there is the concept of 4 step method

>where for each planet ,4 levels of signification are arrived at

>1.the planets location in respective, ownership of bhavas

>2 the starlord of above planet and significations

>3 the sublord of planet as in 1.and significations

>4 starlord of sublord and significations.

>additional weightage is given to planets in its own star and planets

>with no planets in its stars.

>

>The author of this method publishes 2 magazines in Marathi a local

>language,and annual seminars are held.

>Couple of days ago, I spoke to Mr Sunil Gondhalekar,who has written

>books on 4 step theory but in Marathi only,(hence restricted

>clientile).

>

>When I spoke to him on the issue of Birth time rectification ,

>He mentioned that after trying several methods, he has accepted RP

>mathodology.The success rate has been around 80%,and was happy with

>this level.He is an ardent devotee of KP for nearly 30 years.

>

>To summarise therefore, our search seems to be searching for the

>Holy Grail,never ending.

>

>Regards,

>

>Satish

>

>PS for those research minded, you may go the' tatwa' theory,based on

>5 elements, covered in PVR Rayudus website.there calculations are

>to be done manually.I have tried,a very painstaking effort,for small

>success.Mr Khullar , anothed author of Cuspal interlink theory,

>states in his book of lack of success in this..

>

>-- In , " rongaunt@b... au " <rongaunt@b...>

>wrote:

>>

>> Dear Satish,

>>

>> The problem with getting a definitive answer to the problem of

>> rectification, is that all too often we are presented with cases

>> sponsored by astrologers who have had what they consider a hit in

>> a particular 'current' case. This may or may not be valid, as

>> only time will tell will whether the rectification is correct.

>> This was why I suggested the experiments from AA rated birth

>> charts.

>>

>> This experiment whilst interesting - and showing a bias towards

>> the horary RP method, is far from conclusive because at best it

>> gave a 70% success rate.

>>

>> Another factor is that this method relies on the 'gift' of the

>> individual astrologer. It is not at all unreasonable to suggest

>> that some astrologers may have the gift of synchronicity whilst

>> others do not. We see this in everyday life where some people

>> appear to have an excellent sense of timing, whilst others seem

>> to always get it wrong.

>>

>> On the basis of this it is hard to consider that this method can

>> ever be labeled scientific.

>>

>> A more scientific approach is where different astrologers can

>> examine the same chart and event and using the same technique

>> can arrive at a like conclusion. Methods such as the Nadi

>> system, or the Western systems of Kundig and various methods

>> of progression, lend themselves to these methods of

>> rectification.

>>

>> The problem is that when put to systematic tests they seldom

>> offer the result we would like. I have looked at the Nadi and

>> Kundig Systems, and found them wanting. More promising is the

>> Western methods of progression, but they need considerable

>> research because one has to examine various rates and types of

>> progression for each event. There are also other

>> considerations such as which angles to use, whether to use Bija

>> correction etc.

>>

>> A simple way of looking at possible rectification is one that

>> many Western astrologers resort to. This is looking at

>> the transit of planets at the time of an event related to the

>> angles of the chart. The slower moving planets do frequently

>> give an approximate position of birth chart angles by relation to

>> the time of an important event.

>>

>> One method that I have not seen canvassed on any of the Lists is

>> one that I have had some success with. This is the use of the

>> pendulum. I have taken names from a List showing AA rated

>> charts where I have not known the time of Birth or any chart

>> details. I have then checked for TOB or Lagna position by using

>> a pendulum. I have been pleasantly surprised to find that

>> frequently the result is within a couple of minutes of the

>> reported TOB. This has to be more than coincidence out of a

>> period of 24 hours. Whilst it is not always so accurate, the

>> results are sufficient for me to believe that with practice this

>> method could prove very useful.

>>

>> Ron Gaunt

>>

>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:49:13 -0000, you wrote:

>>

>> > , " Kanak Bosmia "

><kanbosastro@h...>

>> >wrote:

>> >Dear Kanakji,

>> >

>> >In Astro & KP reader II there was a reference to using 10th Cusp to

>> >verify the correctness of birth time. I had raised this problem

>more

>> >than a month ago in this forum. Unfortunately , there was NIL

>response

>> >from any one.This is indeed unfortunate.

>> >

>> > It is sad, even now the issue of birth time correction is not

>> >satisfactorily resolved to provide guidelines.

>> >

>> > Let the pray for divine intevention,

>> >

>> > Regards,

>> >

>> >Satish

>> >

July 2, 2005

Dear Ron,

The 4 step method,has become very popular among the

locals,unfortunately not being in English,has its own captive

audience.

I spoke to the author of this method ,if he was planning to bring an

English translation,which he had targetted for this year,he

mentioned due ill health he was unable to do so . We can only pray

for his good health,at this moment.

Regards,

Satish

, " rongaunt@b... au "

<rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>

> Dear Satish,

>

> The four step method you mention should be capable of being

> checked for validity. A prominent planet say in conjunction with

> natal Ascendant and shown to be important in subsequent events

> should show whether this works.

>

> I did a quick check on Tony Blair who has Jupiter in close

> conjunction with the Ascendant. Jupiter has been very

> prominent in transit in all his political successes.

>

> 1. Jupiter's location in respect of bhavas: Jupiter owns 8th,

> 9th and 12th houses.

>

> 2. The starlord of above planet and significations: Starlord is

> Sun which is strong 1st and 2nd class significators of the

> 12th house, but is also weaker significator of 1st house.

>

> 3. The sublord of planet as in 1.and significations: Sublord is

> Mercury. Mercury is significator of 4 and associated with

> 2,3,6, and 12.

>

> 4. Starlord of sublord and significations: Starlord is Ketu

> which is 1st class significators of 6, 10, and 11.

>

> On the whole what stands out here is that except for item

> 4 the other indicators are not very persuasive.

> However item 4 seems extremely persuasive and warrants

> further investigation.

>

> Of course this is only one case and really requires many cases

> for correct determination. Note that Blair also has Mars in

> conjunction with his Ascendant, and this comes up with better

> indications, although Mars is not as prominent in transit for his

> career successes.

>

> Thanks for the information.

>

> Ron Gaunt

>

> On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:31:19 -0000, you wrote:

>

> >Dear Ron,

> >

> >Many thanks for your kind reply. I am familiar with the use of

> >pendulum mainly for dowsing purposes.I have never tried for birth

> >time rectification.

> >

> >In Mumbai, amongst the locals there is the concept of 4 step

method

> >where for each planet ,4 levels of signification are arrived at

> >1.the planets location in respective, ownership of bhavas

> >2 the starlord of above planet and significations

> >3 the sublord of planet as in 1.and significations

> >4 starlord of sublord and significations.

> >additional weightage is given to planets in its own star and

planets

> >with no planets in its stars.

> >

> >The author of this method publishes 2 magazines in Marathi a

local

> >language,and annual seminars are held.

> >Couple of days ago, I spoke to Mr Sunil Gondhalekar,who has

written

> >books on 4 step theory but in Marathi only,(hence restricted

> >clientile).

> >

> >When I spoke to him on the issue of Birth time rectification ,

> >He mentioned that after trying several methods, he has accepted

RP

> >mathodology.The success rate has been around 80%,and was happy

with

> >this level.He is an ardent devotee of KP for nearly 30 years.

> >

> >To summarise therefore, our search seems to be searching for the

> >Holy Grail,never ending.

> >

> >Regards,

> >

> >Satish

> >

> >PS for those research minded, you may go the' tatwa' theory,based

on

> >5 elements, covered in PVR Rayudus website.there calculations

are

> >to be done manually.I have tried,a very painstaking effort,for

small

> >success.Mr Khullar , anothed author of Cuspal interlink theory,

> >states in his book of lack of success in this..

> >

> >-- In , " rongaunt@b... au "

<rongaunt@b...>

> >wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Satish,

> >>

> >> The problem with getting a definitive answer to the problem of

> >> rectification, is that all too often we are presented with cases

> >> sponsored by astrologers who have had what they consider a hit

in

> >> a particular 'current' case. This may or may not be valid, as

> >> only time will tell will whether the rectification is correct.

> >> This was why I suggested the experiments from AA rated birth

> >> charts.

> >>

> >> This experiment whilst interesting - and showing a bias towards

> >> the horary RP method, is far from conclusive because at best it

> >> gave a 70% success rate.

> >>

> >> Another factor is that this method relies on the 'gift' of the

> >> individual astrologer. It is not at all unreasonable to

suggest

> >> that some astrologers may have the gift of synchronicity whilst

> >> others do not. We see this in everyday life where some people

> >> appear to have an excellent sense of timing, whilst others seem

> >> to always get it wrong.

> >>

> >> On the basis of this it is hard to consider that this method can

> >> ever be labeled scientific.

> >>

> >> A more scientific approach is where different astrologers can

> >> examine the same chart and event and using the same technique

> >> can arrive at a like conclusion. Methods such as the Nadi

> >> system, or the Western systems of Kundig and various methods

> >> of progression, lend themselves to these methods of

> >> rectification.

> >>

> >> The problem is that when put to systematic tests they seldom

> >> offer the result we would like. I have looked at the Nadi and

> >> Kundig Systems, and found them wanting. More promising is the

> >> Western methods of progression, but they need considerable

> >> research because one has to examine various rates and types of

> >> progression for each event. There are also other

> >> considerations such as which angles to use, whether to use Bija

> >> correction etc.

> >>

> >> A simple way of looking at possible rectification is one that

> >> many Western astrologers resort to. This is looking at

> >> the transit of planets at the time of an event related to the

> >> angles of the chart. The slower moving planets do frequently

> >> give an approximate position of birth chart angles by relation

to

> >> the time of an important event.

> >>

> >> One method that I have not seen canvassed on any of the Lists is

> >> one that I have had some success with. This is the use of

the

> >> pendulum. I have taken names from a List showing AA rated

> >> charts where I have not known the time of Birth or any chart

> >> details. I have then checked for TOB or Lagna position by

using

> >> a pendulum. I have been pleasantly surprised to find that

> >> frequently the result is within a couple of minutes of the

> >> reported TOB. This has to be more than coincidence out of a

> >> period of 24 hours. Whilst it is not always so accurate, the

> >> results are sufficient for me to believe that with practice this

> >> method could prove very useful.

> >>

> >> Ron Gaunt

> >>

> >> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:49:13 -0000, you wrote:

> >>

> >> > , " Kanak Bosmia "

> ><kanbosastro@h...>

> >> >wrote:

> >> >Dear Kanakji,

> >> >

> >> >In Astro & KP reader II there was a reference to using 10th Cusp

to

> >> >verify the correctness of birth time. I had raised this

problem

> >more

> >> >than a month ago in this forum. Unfortunately , there was NIL

> >response

> >> >from any one.This is indeed unfortunate.

> >> >

> >> > It is sad, even now the issue of birth time correction is not

> >> >satisfactorily resolved to provide guidelines.

> >> >

> >> > Let the pray for divine intevention,

> >> >

> >> > Regards,

> >> >

> >> >Satish

> >> >

July 3, 2005

Dear Satish:

Is it possible for you to provide an overview of this methodology for

those of us that are unfamiliar with this approach?

Thanks.

Shirish

, " rsatish1942 " <rsatish1942> wrote:

> Dear Ron,

>

> The 4 step method,has become very popular among the

> locals,unfortunately not being in English,has its own captive

> audience.

> I spoke to the author of this method ,if he was planning to bring an

> English translation,which he had targetted for this year,he

> mentioned due ill health he was unable to do so . We can only pray

> for his good health,at this moment.

>

> Regards,

>

> Satish

>

> , " rongaunt@b... au "

> <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Satish,

> >

> > The four step method you mention should be capable of being

> > checked for validity. A prominent planet say in conjunction with

> > natal Ascendant and shown to be important in subsequent events

> > should show whether this works.

> >

> > I did a quick check on Tony Blair who has Jupiter in close

> > conjunction with the Ascendant. Jupiter has been very

> > prominent in transit in all his political successes.

> >

> > 1. Jupiter's location in respect of bhavas: Jupiter owns 8th,

> > 9th and 12th houses.

> >

> > 2. The starlord of above planet and significations: Starlord is

> > Sun which is strong 1st and 2nd class significators of the

> > 12th house, but is also weaker significator of 1st house.

> >

> > 3. The sublord of planet as in 1.and significations: Sublord is

> > Mercury. Mercury is significator of 4 and associated with

> > 2,3,6, and 12.

> >

> > 4. Starlord of sublord and significations: Starlord is Ketu

> > which is 1st class significators of 6, 10, and 11.

> >

> > On the whole what stands out here is that except for item

> > 4 the other indicators are not very persuasive.

> > However item 4 seems extremely persuasive and warrants

> > further investigation.

> >

> > Of course this is only one case and really requires many cases

> > for correct determination. Note that Blair also has Mars in

> > conjunction with his Ascendant, and this comes up with better

> > indications, although Mars is not as prominent in transit for his

> > career successes.

> >

> > Thanks for the information.

> >

> > Ron Gaunt

> >

> > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:31:19 -0000, you wrote:

> >

> > >Dear Ron,

> > >

> > >Many thanks for your kind reply. I am familiar with the use of

> > >pendulum mainly for dowsing purposes.I have never tried for birth

> > >time rectification.

> > >

> > >In Mumbai, amongst the locals there is the concept of 4 step

> method

> > >where for each planet ,4 levels of signification are arrived at

> > >1.the planets location in respective, ownership of bhavas

> > >2 the starlord of above planet and significations

> > >3 the sublord of planet as in 1.and significations

> > >4 starlord of sublord and significations.

> > >additional weightage is given to planets in its own star and

> planets

> > >with no planets in its stars.

> > >

> > >The author of this method publishes 2 magazines in Marathi a

> local

> > >language,and annual seminars are held.

> > >Couple of days ago, I spoke to Mr Sunil Gondhalekar,who has

> written

> > >books on 4 step theory but in Marathi only,(hence restricted

> > >clientile).

> > >

> > >When I spoke to him on the issue of Birth time rectification ,

> > >He mentioned that after trying several methods, he has accepted

> RP

> > >mathodology.The success rate has been around 80%,and was happy

> with

> > >this level.He is an ardent devotee of KP for nearly 30 years.

> > >

> > >To summarise therefore, our search seems to be searching for the

> > >Holy Grail,never ending.

> > >

> > >Regards,

> > >

> > >Satish

> > >

> > >PS for those research minded, you may go the' tatwa' theory,based

> on

> > >5 elements, covered in PVR Rayudus website.there calculations

> are

> > >to be done manually.I have tried,a very painstaking effort,for

> small

> > >success.Mr Khullar , anothed author of Cuspal interlink theory,

> > >states in his book of lack of success in this..

> > >

> > >-- In , " rongaunt@b... au "

> <rongaunt@b...>

> > >wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Dear Satish,

> > >>

> > >> The problem with getting a definitive answer to the problem of

> > >> rectification, is that all too often we are presented with cases

> > >> sponsored by astrologers who have had what they consider a hit

> in

> > >> a particular 'current' case. This may or may not be valid, as

> > >> only time will tell will whether the rectification is correct.

> > >> This was why I suggested the experiments from AA rated birth

> > >> charts.

> > >>

> > >> This experiment whilst interesting - and showing a bias towards

> > >> the horary RP method, is far from conclusive because at best it

> > >> gave a 70% success rate.

> > >>

> > >> Another factor is that this method relies on the 'gift' of the

> > >> individual astrologer. It is not at all unreasonable to

> suggest

> > >> that some astrologers may have the gift of synchronicity whilst

> > >> others do not. We see this in everyday life where some people

> > >> appear to have an excellent sense of timing, whilst others seem

> > >> to always get it wrong.

> > >>

> > >> On the basis of this it is hard to consider that this method can

> > >> ever be labeled scientific.

> > >>

> > >> A more scientific approach is where different astrologers can

> > >> examine the same chart and event and using the same technique

> > >> can arrive at a like conclusion. Methods such as the Nadi

> > >> system, or the Western systems of Kundig and various methods

> > >> of progression, lend themselves to these methods of

> > >> rectification.

> > >>

> > >> The problem is that when put to systematic tests they seldom

> > >> offer the result we would like. I have looked at the Nadi and

> > >> Kundig Systems, and found them wanting. More promising is the

> > >> Western methods of progression, but they need considerable

> > >> research because one has to examine various rates and types of

> > >> progression for each event. There are also other

> > >> considerations such as which angles to use, whether to use Bija

> > >> correction etc.

> > >>

> > >> A simple way of looking at possible rectification is one that

> > >> many Western astrologers resort to. This is looking at

> > >> the transit of planets at the time of an event related to the

> > >> angles of the chart. The slower moving planets do frequently

> > >> give an approximate position of birth chart angles by relation

> to

> > >> the time of an important event.

> > >>

> > >> One method that I have not seen canvassed on any of the Lists is

> > >> one that I have had some success with. This is the use of

> the

> > >> pendulum. I have taken names from a List showing AA rated

> > >> charts where I have not known the time of Birth or any chart

> > >> details. I have then checked for TOB or Lagna position by

> using

> > >> a pendulum. I have been pleasantly surprised to find that

> > >> frequently the result is within a couple of minutes of the

> > >> reported TOB. This has to be more than coincidence out of a

> > >> period of 24 hours. Whilst it is not always so accurate, the

> > >> results are sufficient for me to believe that with practice this

> > >> method could prove very useful.

> > >>

> > >> Ron Gaunt

> > >>

> > >> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:49:13 -0000, you wrote:

> > >>

> > >> > , " Kanak Bosmia "

> > ><kanbosastro@h...>

> > >> >wrote:

> > >> >Dear Kanakji,

> > >> >

> > >> >In Astro & KP reader II there was a reference to using 10th Cusp

> to

> > >> >verify the correctness of birth time. I had raised this

> problem

> > >more

> > >> >than a month ago in this forum. Unfortunately , there was NIL

> > >response

> > >> >from any one.This is indeed unfortunate.

> > >> >

> > >> > It is sad, even now the issue of birth time correction is not

> > >> >satisfactorily resolved to provide guidelines.

> > >> >

> > >> > Let the pray for divine intevention,

> > >> >

> > >> > Regards,

> > >> >

> > >> >Satish

> > >> >

July 3, 2005

Dear Mr.Satish,

I have a suggestion (if it is not already tried) in this regard.

1. Does taking several contemporary charts of mother and baby and analysing it would help in consolidating the observations by various methods. Ofcourse, I am aware that the subject is about old charts with inaccurate time. The definite stellar relationship between the concerned effective planet/s and its impact on sublords.

2. In the process above, will we be able to fine tune -

(a) the time of conception and the then prevailing astro-ambience requirements.

(b) the precise parameters for delivery. No doubt we already have baby sex determination elements.

Does the above points make any sense?

Regards,

K Jagadishrsatish1942 <rsatish1942 wrote:

Dear Ron,The 4 step method,has become very popular among the locals,unfortunately not being in English,has its own captive audience.I spoke to the author of this method ,if he was planning to bring an English translation,which he had targetted for this year,he mentioned due ill health he was unable to do so . We can only pray for his good health,at this moment.Regards,Satish , "rongaunt@b... au" <rongaunt@b...> wrote:> > Dear Satish,> > > The four step method you mention should be capable of being> checked for validity. A prominent planet say in conjunction with> natal Ascendant and shown to be important in subsequent events> should show whether this works.> > I did a quick check on Tony Blair who has

Jupiter in close> conjunction with the Ascendant. Jupiter has been very> prominent in transit in all his political successes.> > 1. Jupiter's location in respect of bhavas: Jupiter owns 8th, > 9th and 12th houses.> > 2. The starlord of above planet and significations: Starlord is> Sun which is strong 1st and 2nd class significators of the> 12th house, but is also weaker significator of 1st house.> > 3. The sublord of planet as in 1.and significations: Sublord is> Mercury. Mercury is significator of 4 and associated with> 2,3,6, and 12.> > 4. Starlord of sublord and significations: Starlord is Ketu > which is 1st class significators of 6, 10,

and 11.> > > On the whole what stands out here is that except for item> 4 the other indicators are not very persuasive.> However item 4 seems extremely persuasive and warrants > further investigation.> > Of course this is only one case and really requires many cases> for correct determination. Note that Blair also has Mars in> conjunction with his Ascendant, and this comes up with better> indications, although Mars is not as prominent in transit for his> career successes.> > Thanks for the information.> > > > Ron Gaunt> > > > > > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:31:19 -0000, you wrote:> > >Dear Ron, > >> >Many thanks for your kind reply. I am familiar with the use of > >pendulum mainly for dowsing purposes.I have never tried for birth > >time

rectification.> >> >In Mumbai, amongst the locals there is the concept of 4 step method > >where for each planet ,4 levels of signification are arrived at> >1.the planets location in respective, ownership of bhavas> >2 the starlord of above planet and significations> >3 the sublord of planet as in 1.and significations> >4 starlord of sublord and significations.> >additional weightage is given to planets in its own star and planets > >with no planets in its stars.> >> >The author of this method publishes 2 magazines in Marathi a local > >language,and annual seminars are held.> >Couple of days ago, I spoke to Mr Sunil Gondhalekar,who has written > >books on 4 step theory but in Marathi only,(hence restricted > >clientile).> >> >When I spoke to him on the issue of Birth time rectification

,> >He mentioned that after trying several methods, he has accepted RP > >mathodology.The success rate has been around 80%,and was happy with > >this level.He is an ardent devotee of KP for nearly 30 years.> >> >To summarise therefore, our search seems to be searching for the > >Holy Grail,never ending.> >> >Regards,> >> >Satish> >> >PS for those research minded, you may go the' tatwa' theory,based on > >5 elements, covered in PVR Rayudus website.there calculations are > >to be done manually.I have tried,a very painstaking effort,for small > >success.Mr Khullar , anothed author of Cuspal interlink theory, > >states in his book of lack of success in this..> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

>-- In , "rongaunt@b... au" <rongaunt@b...> > >wrote:> >> > >> Dear Satish,> >> > >> The problem with getting a definitive answer to the problem of> >> rectification, is that all too often we are presented with cases> >> sponsored by astrologers who have had what they consider a hit in> >> a particular 'current' case. This may or may not be valid, as> >> only time will tell will whether the rectification is correct.> >> This was why I suggested the experiments from AA rated birth> >> charts. > >> > >> This experiment whilst interesting - and showing a bias towards> >> the horary RP method, is far from conclusive because at best it> >> gave a 70% success rate.> >> > >> Another factor is that this method relies

on the 'gift' of the > >> individual astrologer. It is not at all unreasonable to suggest> >> that some astrologers may have the gift of synchronicity whilst> >> others do not. We see this in everyday life where some people> >> appear to have an excellent sense of timing, whilst others seem> >> to always get it wrong.> >> > >> On the basis of this it is hard to consider that this method can> >> ever be labeled scientific.> >> > >> A more scientific approach is where different astrologers can> >> examine the same chart and event and using the same technique> >> can arrive at a like conclusion. Methods such as the Nadi> >> system, or the Western systems of Kundig and various methods> >> of progression, lend themselves to these methods

of> >> rectification.> >> > >> The problem is that when put to systematic tests they seldom > >> offer the result we would like. I have looked at the Nadi and> >> Kundig Systems, and found them wanting. More promising is the> >> Western methods of progression, but they need considerable> >> research because one has to examine various rates and types of> >> progression for each event. There are also other> >> considerations such as which angles to use, whether to use Bija> >> correction etc.> >> > >> A simple way of looking at possible rectification is one that> >> many Western astrologers resort to. This is looking at> >> the transit of planets at the time of an event related to the> >> angles of the chart. The

slower moving planets do frequently> >> give an approximate position of birth chart angles by relation to> >> the time of an important event.> >> > >> One method that I have not seen canvassed on any of the Lists is> >> one that I have had some success with. This is the use of the> >> pendulum. I have taken names from a List showing AA rated> >> charts where I have not known the time of Birth or any chart> >> details. I have then checked for TOB or Lagna position by using> >> a pendulum. I have been pleasantly surprised to find that> >> frequently the result is within a couple of minutes of the> >> reported TOB. This has to be more than coincidence out of a> >> period of 24 hours. Whilst it is not always

so accurate, the> >> results are sufficient for me to believe that with practice this> >> method could prove very useful.> >> > >> > >> Ron Gaunt> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:49:13 -0000, you wrote:> >> > >> > , "Kanak Bosmia" > ><kanbosastro@h...> > >> >wrote:> >> >Dear Kanakji,> >> >> >> >In Astro & KP reader II there was a reference to using 10th Cusp to > >> >verify the correctness of birth time. I had raised this problem > >more > >> >than a month ago in this forum. Unfortunately , there was NIL > >response > >> >from any one.This is indeed unfortunate. > >> >> >> > It

is sad, even now the issue of birth time correction is not > >> >satisfactorily resolved to provide guidelines.> >> >> >> > Let the pray for divine intevention,> >> >> >> > Regards,> >> >> >> >> >> >Satish> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >

July 4, 2005

Dear Shirish Jain,

The 4 step theory is an extension of standard KP.Like any thing new

and revolutionary has its own captive audience.Since its knowledge

is restricted to Marathi speaking group, no effort was made to

spread it to english knowing group.

Although I have a speaking knowledge of Marathi being aresident of

Bombay for over 6 decades, I donot have detailed knowledge of

Marathi Technical terms to appreciate the sense being conveyed. I

am,nevertheless ,in the process of understanding the subject.

Sorry, you will have to wait for some time.

Regards,

Satish

, " Shirish Jain " <shirishcom>

wrote:

> Dear Satish:

>

> Is it possible for you to provide an overview of this methodology

for

> those of us that are unfamiliar with this approach?

>

> Thanks.

> Shirish

>

> , " rsatish1942 "

<rsatish1942> wrote:

> > Dear Ron,

> >

> > The 4 step method,has become very popular among the

> > locals,unfortunately not being in English,has its own captive

> > audience.

> > I spoke to the author of this method ,if he was planning to

bring an

> > English translation,which he had targetted for this year,he

> > mentioned due ill health he was unable to do so . We can only

pray

> > for his good health,at this moment.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Satish

> >

> > , " rongaunt@b... au "

> > <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Satish,

> > >

> > > The four step method you mention should be capable of being

> > > checked for validity. A prominent planet say in conjunction

with

> > > natal Ascendant and shown to be important in subsequent events

> > > should show whether this works.

> > >

> > > I did a quick check on Tony Blair who has Jupiter in close

> > > conjunction with the Ascendant. Jupiter has been very

> > > prominent in transit in all his political successes.

> > >

> > > 1. Jupiter's location in respect of bhavas: Jupiter owns

8th,

> > > 9th and 12th houses.

> > >

> > > 2. The starlord of above planet and significations: Starlord

is

> > > Sun which is strong 1st and 2nd class significators of the

> > > 12th house, but is also weaker significator of 1st house.

> > >

> > > 3. The sublord of planet as in 1.and significations: Sublord

is

> > > Mercury. Mercury is significator of 4 and associated with

> > > 2,3,6, and 12.

> > >

> > > 4. Starlord of sublord and significations: Starlord is Ketu

> > > which is 1st class significators of 6, 10, and 11.

> > >

> > > On the whole what stands out here is that except for item

> > > 4 the other indicators are not very persuasive.

> > > However item 4 seems extremely persuasive and warrants

> > > further investigation.

> > >

> > > Of course this is only one case and really requires many cases

> > > for correct determination. Note that Blair also has Mars in

> > > conjunction with his Ascendant, and this comes up with better

> > > indications, although Mars is not as prominent in transit for

his

> > > career successes.

> > >

> > > Thanks for the information.

> > >

> > > Ron Gaunt

> > >

> > > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:31:19 -0000, you wrote:

> > >

> > > >Dear Ron,

> > > >

> > > >Many thanks for your kind reply. I am familiar with the use

of

> > > >pendulum mainly for dowsing purposes.I have never tried for

birth

> > > >time rectification.

> > > >

> > > >In Mumbai, amongst the locals there is the concept of 4 step

> > method

> > > >where for each planet ,4 levels of signification are arrived

at

> > > >1.the planets location in respective, ownership of bhavas

> > > >2 the starlord of above planet and significations

> > > >3 the sublord of planet as in 1.and significations

> > > >4 starlord of sublord and significations.

> > > >additional weightage is given to planets in its own star and

> > planets

> > > >with no planets in its stars.

> > > >

> > > >The author of this method publishes 2 magazines in Marathi a

> > local

> > > >language,and annual seminars are held.

> > > >Couple of days ago, I spoke to Mr Sunil Gondhalekar,who has

> > written

> > > >books on 4 step theory but in Marathi only,(hence restricted

> > > >clientile).

> > > >

> > > >When I spoke to him on the issue of Birth time

rectification ,

> > > >He mentioned that after trying several methods, he has

accepted

> > RP

> > > >mathodology.The success rate has been around 80%,and was

happy

> > with

> > > >this level.He is an ardent devotee of KP for nearly 30 years.

> > > >

> > > >To summarise therefore, our search seems to be searching for

the

> > > >Holy Grail,never ending.

> > > >

> > > >Regards,

> > > >

> > > >Satish

> > > >

> > > >PS for those research minded, you may go the' tatwa'

theory,based

> > on

> > > >5 elements, covered in PVR Rayudus website.there

calculations

> > are

> > > >to be done manually.I have tried,a very painstaking

effort,for

> > small

> > > >success.Mr Khullar , anothed author of Cuspal interlink

theory,

> > > >states in his book of lack of success in this..

> > > >

> > > >-- In , " rongaunt@b... au "

> > <rongaunt@b...>

> > > >wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear Satish,

> > > >>

> > > >> The problem with getting a definitive answer to the problem

of

> > > >> rectification, is that all too often we are presented with

cases

> > > >> sponsored by astrologers who have had what they consider a

hit

> > in

> > > >> a particular 'current' case. This may or may not be

valid, as

> > > >> only time will tell will whether the rectification is

correct.

> > > >> This was why I suggested the experiments from AA rated birth

> > > >> charts.

> > > >>

> > > >> This experiment whilst interesting - and showing a bias

towards

> > > >> the horary RP method, is far from conclusive because at

best it

> > > >> gave a 70% success rate.

> > > >>

> > > >> Another factor is that this method relies on the 'gift' of

the

> > > >> individual astrologer. It is not at all unreasonable to

> > suggest

> > > >> that some astrologers may have the gift of synchronicity

whilst

> > > >> others do not. We see this in everyday life where some

people

> > > >> appear to have an excellent sense of timing, whilst others

seem

> > > >> to always get it wrong.

> > > >>

> > > >> On the basis of this it is hard to consider that this

method can

> > > >> ever be labeled scientific.

> > > >>

> > > >> A more scientific approach is where different astrologers

can

> > > >> examine the same chart and event and using the same

technique

> > > >> can arrive at a like conclusion. Methods such as the Nadi

> > > >> system, or the Western systems of Kundig and various

methods

> > > >> of progression, lend themselves to these methods of

> > > >> rectification.

> > > >>

> > > >> The problem is that when put to systematic tests they

seldom

> > > >> offer the result we would like. I have looked at the

Nadi and

> > > >> Kundig Systems, and found them wanting. More promising

is the

> > > >> Western methods of progression, but they need considerable

> > > >> research because one has to examine various rates and types

of

> > > >> progression for each event. There are also other

> > > >> considerations such as which angles to use, whether to use

Bija

> > > >> correction etc.

> > > >>

> > > >> A simple way of looking at possible rectification is one

that

> > > >> many Western astrologers resort to. This is looking at

> > > >> the transit of planets at the time of an event related to

the

> > > >> angles of the chart. The slower moving planets do

frequently

> > > >> give an approximate position of birth chart angles by

relation

> > to

> > > >> the time of an important event.

> > > >>

> > > >> One method that I have not seen canvassed on any of the

Lists is

> > > >> one that I have had some success with. This is the use

of

> > the

> > > >> pendulum. I have taken names from a List showing AA

rated

> > > >> charts where I have not known the time of Birth or any chart

> > > >> details. I have then checked for TOB or Lagna position by

> > using

> > > >> a pendulum. I have been pleasantly surprised to find that

> > > >> frequently the result is within a couple of minutes of the

> > > >> reported TOB. This has to be more than coincidence out of

a

> > > >> period of 24 hours. Whilst it is not always so

accurate, the

> > > >> results are sufficient for me to believe that with practice

this

> > > >> method could prove very useful.

> > > >>

> > > >> Ron Gaunt

> > > >>

> > > >> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:49:13 -0000, you wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> > , " Kanak Bosmia "

> > > ><kanbosastro@h...>

> > > >> >wrote:

> > > >> >Dear Kanakji,

> > > >> >

> > > >> >In Astro & KP reader II there was a reference to using 10th

Cusp

> > to

> > > >> >verify the correctness of birth time. I had raised this

> > problem

> > > >more

> > > >> >than a month ago in this forum. Unfortunately , there was

NIL

> > > >response

> > > >> >from any one.This is indeed unfortunate.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > It is sad, even now the issue of birth time correction is

not

> > > >> >satisfactorily resolved to provide guidelines.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Let the pray for divine intevention,

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Regards,

> > > >> >

> > > >> >Satish

> > > >> >

July 4, 2005

Dear Jagadish,

I have no working knowledge on the subject,so am unable to help

you.Even in traditional astrology, there are so many formulae, none

of them are perfect,as the numbers by themselves convey.

Turning philosophical,every system on planet earth ,is imperfect.We

would replace God , no sooner ,we succeed even in one.pure Euphoria.

Birth time rectification is indeed very challenging,we can at best

improve on the score.

Ruling Planets appears to the best method for BTR.

Regards,

Satish

, Jagadish K <kjagadish48>

wrote:

> Dear Mr.Satish,

>

> I have a suggestion (if it is not already tried) in this regard.

>

> 1. Does taking several contemporary charts of mother and baby and

analysing it would help in consolidating the observations by various

methods. Ofcourse, I am aware that the subject is about old charts

with inaccurate time. The definite stellar relationship between the

concerned effective planet/s and its impact on sublords.

>

> 2. In the process above, will we be able to fine tune -

>

> (a) the time of conception and the then prevailing astro-ambience

requirements.

>

> (b) the precise parameters for delivery. No doubt we already have

baby sex determination elements.

>

> Does the above points make any sense?

>

> Regards,

>

> K Jagadish

>

> rsatish1942 <rsatish1942> wrote:

> Dear Ron,

>

> The 4 step method,has become very popular among the

> locals,unfortunately not being in English,has its own captive

> audience.

> I spoke to the author of this method ,if he was planning to bring

an

> English translation,which he had targetted for this year,he

> mentioned due ill health he was unable to do so . We can only pray

> for his good health,at this moment.

>

> Regards,

>

> Satish

>

> , " rongaunt@b... au "

> <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Satish,

> >

> > The four step method you mention should be capable of being

> > checked for validity. A prominent planet say in conjunction with

> > natal Ascendant and shown to be important in subsequent events

> > should show whether this works.

> >

> > I did a quick check on Tony Blair who has Jupiter in close

> > conjunction with the Ascendant. Jupiter has been very

> > prominent in transit in all his political successes.

> >

> > 1. Jupiter's location in respect of bhavas: Jupiter owns 8th,

> > 9th and 12th houses.

> >

> > 2. The starlord of above planet and significations: Starlord is

> > Sun which is strong 1st and 2nd class significators of the

> > 12th house, but is also weaker significator of 1st house.

> >

> > 3. The sublord of planet as in 1.and significations: Sublord is

> > Mercury. Mercury is significator of 4 and associated with

> > 2,3,6, and 12.

> >

> > 4. Starlord of sublord and significations: Starlord is Ketu

> > which is 1st class significators of 6, 10, and 11.

> >

> > On the whole what stands out here is that except for item

> > 4 the other indicators are not very persuasive.

> > However item 4 seems extremely persuasive and warrants

> > further investigation.

> >

> > Of course this is only one case and really requires many cases

> > for correct determination. Note that Blair also has Mars in

> > conjunction with his Ascendant, and this comes up with better

> > indications, although Mars is not as prominent in transit for his

> > career successes.

> >

> > Thanks for the information.

> >

> > Ron Gaunt

> >

> > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:31:19 -0000, you wrote:

> >

> > >Dear Ron,

> > >

> > >Many thanks for your kind reply. I am familiar with the use of

> > >pendulum mainly for dowsing purposes.I have never tried for

birth

> > >time rectification.

> > >

> > >In Mumbai, amongst the locals there is the concept of 4 step

> method

> > >where for each planet ,4 levels of signification are arrived at

> > >1.the planets location in respective, ownership of bhavas

> > >2 the starlord of above planet and significations

> > >3 the sublord of planet as in 1.and significations

> > >4 starlord of sublord and significations.

> > >additional weightage is given to planets in its own star and

> planets

> > >with no planets in its stars.

> > >

> > >The author of this method publishes 2 magazines in Marathi a

> local

> > >language,and annual seminars are held.

> > >Couple of days ago, I spoke to Mr Sunil Gondhalekar,who has

> written

> > >books on 4 step theory but in Marathi only,(hence restricted

> > >clientile).

> > >

> > >When I spoke to him on the issue of Birth time rectification ,

> > >He mentioned that after trying several methods, he has accepted

> RP

> > >mathodology.The success rate has been around 80%,and was happy

> with

> > >this level.He is an ardent devotee of KP for nearly 30 years.

> > >

> > >To summarise therefore, our search seems to be searching for

the

> > >Holy Grail,never ending.

> > >

> > >Regards,

> > >

> > >Satish

> > >

> > >PS for those research minded, you may go the' tatwa'

theory,based

> on

> > >5 elements, covered in PVR Rayudus website.there calculations

> are

> > >to be done manually.I have tried,a very painstaking effort,for

> small

> > >success.Mr Khullar , anothed author of Cuspal interlink theory,

> > >states in his book of lack of success in this..

> > >

> > >-- In , " rongaunt@b... au "

> <rongaunt@b...>

> > >wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Dear Satish,

> > >>

> > >> The problem with getting a definitive answer to the problem of

> > >> rectification, is that all too often we are presented with

cases

> > >> sponsored by astrologers who have had what they consider a

hit

> in

> > >> a particular 'current' case. This may or may not be valid,

as

> > >> only time will tell will whether the rectification is correct.

> > >> This was why I suggested the experiments from AA rated birth

> > >> charts.

> > >>

> > >> This experiment whilst interesting - and showing a bias

towards

> > >> the horary RP method, is far from conclusive because at best

it

> > >> gave a 70% success rate.

> > >>

> > >> Another factor is that this method relies on the 'gift' of

the

> > >> individual astrologer. It is not at all unreasonable to

> suggest

> > >> that some astrologers may have the gift of synchronicity

whilst

> > >> others do not. We see this in everyday life where some

people

> > >> appear to have an excellent sense of timing, whilst others

seem

> > >> to always get it wrong.

> > >>

> > >> On the basis of this it is hard to consider that this method

can

> > >> ever be labeled scientific.

> > >>

> > >> A more scientific approach is where different astrologers can

> > >> examine the same chart and event and using the same technique

> > >> can arrive at a like conclusion. Methods such as the Nadi

> > >> system, or the Western systems of Kundig and various

methods

> > >> of progression, lend themselves to these methods of

> > >> rectification.

> > >>

> > >> The problem is that when put to systematic tests they seldom

> > >> offer the result we would like. I have looked at the Nadi

and

> > >> Kundig Systems, and found them wanting. More promising is

the

> > >> Western methods of progression, but they need considerable

> > >> research because one has to examine various rates and types of

> > >> progression for each event. There are also other

> > >> considerations such as which angles to use, whether to use

Bija

> > >> correction etc.

> > >>

> > >> A simple way of looking at possible rectification is one that

> > >> many Western astrologers resort to. This is looking at

> > >> the transit of planets at the time of an event related to the

> > >> angles of the chart. The slower moving planets do frequently

> > >> give an approximate position of birth chart angles by

relation

> to

> > >> the time of an important event.

> > >>

> > >> One method that I have not seen canvassed on any of the Lists

is

> > >> one that I have had some success with. This is the use of

> the

> > >> pendulum. I have taken names from a List showing AA rated

> > >> charts where I have not known the time of Birth or any chart

> > >> details. I have then checked for TOB or Lagna position by

> using

> > >> a pendulum. I have been pleasantly surprised to find that

> > >> frequently the result is within a couple of minutes of the

> > >> reported TOB. This has to be more than coincidence out of a

> > >> period of 24 hours. Whilst it is not always so accurate,

the

> > >> results are sufficient for me to believe that with practice

this

> > >> method could prove very useful.

> > >>

> > >> Ron Gaunt

> > >>

> > >> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:49:13 -0000, you wrote:

> > >>

> > >> > , " Kanak Bosmia "

> > ><kanbosastro@h...>

> > >> >wrote:

> > >> >Dear Kanakji,

> > >> >

> > >> >In Astro & KP reader II there was a reference to using 10th

Cusp

> to

> > >> >verify the correctness of birth time. I had raised this

> problem

> > >more

> > >> >than a month ago in this forum. Unfortunately , there was

NIL

> > >response

> > >> >from any one.This is indeed unfortunate.

> > >> >

> > >> > It is sad, even now the issue of birth time correction is

not

> > >> >satisfactorily resolved to provide guidelines.

> > >> >

> > >> > Let the pray for divine intevention,

> > >> >

> > >> > Regards,

> > >> >

> > >> >Satish

> > >> >

July 4, 2005

Dear Sir:

I await your future posting on this subject.

Thanks & Regards,

Shirish

, " rsatish1942 " <rsatish1942>

wrote:

> Dear Shirish Jain,

>

> The 4 step theory is an extension of standard KP.Like any thing new

> and revolutionary has its own captive audience.Since its knowledge

> is restricted to Marathi speaking group, no effort was made to

> spread it to english knowing group.

>

> Although I have a speaking knowledge of Marathi being aresident of

> Bombay for over 6 decades, I donot have detailed knowledge of

> Marathi Technical terms to appreciate the sense being conveyed. I

> am,nevertheless ,in the process of understanding the subject.

> Sorry, you will have to wait for some time.

>

> Regards,

>

> Satish

>

> , " Shirish Jain " <shirishcom>

> wrote:

> > Dear Satish:

> >

> > Is it possible for you to provide an overview of this methodology

> for

> > those of us that are unfamiliar with this approach?

> >

> > Thanks.

> > Shirish

> >

> > , " rsatish1942 "

> <rsatish1942> wrote:

> > > Dear Ron,

> > >

> > > The 4 step method,has become very popular among the

> > > locals,unfortunately not being in English,has its own captive

> > > audience.

> > > I spoke to the author of this method ,if he was planning to

> bring an

> > > English translation,which he had targetted for this year,he

> > > mentioned due ill health he was unable to do so . We can only

> pray

> > > for his good health,at this moment.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Satish

> > >

> > > , " rongaunt@b... au "

> > > <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Satish,

> > > >

> > > > The four step method you mention should be capable of being

> > > > checked for validity. A prominent planet say in conjunction

> with

> > > > natal Ascendant and shown to be important in subsequent events

> > > > should show whether this works.

> > > >

> > > > I did a quick check on Tony Blair who has Jupiter in close

> > > > conjunction with the Ascendant. Jupiter has been very

> > > > prominent in transit in all his political successes.

> > > >

> > > > 1. Jupiter's location in respect of bhavas: Jupiter owns

> 8th,

> > > > 9th and 12th houses.

> > > >

> > > > 2. The starlord of above planet and significations: Starlord

> is

> > > > Sun which is strong 1st and 2nd class significators of

the

> > > > 12th house, but is also weaker significator of 1st house.

> > > >

> > > > 3. The sublord of planet as in 1.and significations: Sublord

> is

> > > > Mercury. Mercury is significator of 4 and associated

with

> > > > 2,3,6, and 12.

> > > >

> > > > 4. Starlord of sublord and significations: Starlord is Ketu

> > > > which is 1st class significators of 6, 10, and 11.

> > > >

> > > > On the whole what stands out here is that except for item

> > > > 4 the other indicators are not very persuasive.

> > > > However item 4 seems extremely persuasive and warrants

> > > > further investigation.

> > > >

> > > > Of course this is only one case and really requires many cases

> > > > for correct determination. Note that Blair also has Mars in

> > > > conjunction with his Ascendant, and this comes up with better

> > > > indications, although Mars is not as prominent in transit for

> his

> > > > career successes.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the information.

> > > >

> > > > Ron Gaunt

> > > >

> > > > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:31:19 -0000, you wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >Dear Ron,

> > > > >

> > > > >Many thanks for your kind reply. I am familiar with the use

> of

> > > > >pendulum mainly for dowsing purposes.I have never tried for

> birth

> > > > >time rectification.

> > > > >

> > > > >In Mumbai, amongst the locals there is the concept of 4 step

> > > method

> > > > >where for each planet ,4 levels of signification are arrived

> at

> > > > >1.the planets location in respective, ownership of bhavas

> > > > >2 the starlord of above planet and significations

> > > > >3 the sublord of planet as in 1.and significations

> > > > >4 starlord of sublord and significations.

> > > > >additional weightage is given to planets in its own star and

> > > planets

> > > > >with no planets in its stars.

> > > > >

> > > > >The author of this method publishes 2 magazines in Marathi a

> > > local

> > > > >language,and annual seminars are held.

> > > > >Couple of days ago, I spoke to Mr Sunil Gondhalekar,who has

> > > written

> > > > >books on 4 step theory but in Marathi only,(hence restricted

> > > > >clientile).

> > > > >

> > > > >When I spoke to him on the issue of Birth time

> rectification ,

> > > > >He mentioned that after trying several methods, he has

> accepted

> > > RP

> > > > >mathodology.The success rate has been around 80%,and was

> happy

> > > with

> > > > >this level.He is an ardent devotee of KP for nearly 30 years.

> > > > >

> > > > >To summarise therefore, our search seems to be searching

for

> the

> > > > >Holy Grail,never ending.

> > > > >

> > > > >Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > >Satish

> > > > >

> > > > >PS for those research minded, you may go the' tatwa'

> theory,based

> > > on

> > > > >5 elements, covered in PVR Rayudus website.there

> calculations

> > > are

> > > > >to be done manually.I have tried,a very painstaking

> effort,for

> > > small

> > > > >success.Mr Khullar , anothed author of Cuspal interlink

> theory,

> > > > >states in his book of lack of success in this..

> > > > >

> > > > >-- In , " rongaunt@b... au "

> > > <rongaunt@b...>

> > > > >wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Satish,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> The problem with getting a definitive answer to the

problem

> of

> > > > >> rectification, is that all too often we are presented with

> cases

> > > > >> sponsored by astrologers who have had what they consider a

> hit

> > > in

> > > > >> a particular 'current' case. This may or may not be

> valid, as

> > > > >> only time will tell will whether the rectification is

> correct.

> > > > >> This was why I suggested the experiments from AA rated

birth

> > > > >> charts.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> This experiment whilst interesting - and showing a bias

> towards

> > > > >> the horary RP method, is far from conclusive because at

> best it

> > > > >> gave a 70% success rate.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Another factor is that this method relies on the 'gift' of

> the

> > > > >> individual astrologer. It is not at all unreasonable to

> > > suggest

> > > > >> that some astrologers may have the gift of synchronicity

> whilst

> > > > >> others do not. We see this in everyday life where some

> people

> > > > >> appear to have an excellent sense of timing, whilst others

> seem

> > > > >> to always get it wrong.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> On the basis of this it is hard to consider that this

> method can

> > > > >> ever be labeled scientific.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> A more scientific approach is where different astrologers

> can

> > > > >> examine the same chart and event and using the same

> technique

> > > > >> can arrive at a like conclusion. Methods such as the Nadi

> > > > >> system, or the Western systems of Kundig and various

> methods

> > > > >> of progression, lend themselves to these methods of

> > > > >> rectification.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> The problem is that when put to systematic tests they

> seldom

> > > > >> offer the result we would like. I have looked at the

> Nadi and

> > > > >> Kundig Systems, and found them wanting. More promising

> is the

> > > > >> Western methods of progression, but they need considerable

> > > > >> research because one has to examine various rates and

types

> of

> > > > >> progression for each event. There are also other

> > > > >> considerations such as which angles to use, whether to use

> Bija

> > > > >> correction etc.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> A simple way of looking at possible rectification is one

> that

> > > > >> many Western astrologers resort to. This is looking at

> > > > >> the transit of planets at the time of an event related to

> the

> > > > >> angles of the chart. The slower moving planets do

> frequently

> > > > >> give an approximate position of birth chart angles by

> relation

> > > to

> > > > >> the time of an important event.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> One method that I have not seen canvassed on any of the

> Lists is

> > > > >> one that I have had some success with. This is the use

> of

> > > the

> > > > >> pendulum. I have taken names from a List showing AA

> rated

> > > > >> charts where I have not known the time of Birth or any

chart

> > > > >> details. I have then checked for TOB or Lagna position

by

> > > using

> > > > >> a pendulum. I have been pleasantly surprised to find that

> > > > >> frequently the result is within a couple of minutes of the

> > > > >> reported TOB. This has to be more than coincidence out

of

> a

> > > > >> period of 24 hours. Whilst it is not always so

> accurate, the

> > > > >> results are sufficient for me to believe that with

practice

> this

> > > > >> method could prove very useful.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Ron Gaunt

> > > > >>

> > > > >> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:49:13 -0000, you wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> > , " Kanak Bosmia "

> > > > ><kanbosastro@h...>

> > > > >> >wrote:

> > > > >> >Dear Kanakji,

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> >In Astro & KP reader II there was a reference to using 10th

> Cusp

> > > to

> > > > >> >verify the correctness of birth time. I had raised this

> > > problem

> > > > >more

> > > > >> >than a month ago in this forum. Unfortunately , there was

> NIL

> > > > >response

> > > > >> >from any one.This is indeed unfortunate.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > It is sad, even now the issue of birth time correction

is

> not

> > > > >> >satisfactorily resolved to provide guidelines.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Let the pray for divine intevention,

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Regards,

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> >Satish

> > > > >> >

July 5, 2005

Dear Stish,

1. Could you please elaborate the 4 step theory and

how it is used ,pending the english translation.

With best wishes

Dilip

--- Shirish Jain <shirishcom wrote:

Dear Sir:

I await your future posting on this subject.

Thanks & Regards,

Shirish

, " rsatish1942 "

wrote:

> Dear Shirish Jain,

>

> The 4 step theory is an extension of standard

KP.Like any thing new

> and revolutionary has its own captive audience.Since

its knowledge

> is restricted to Marathi speaking group, no effort

was made to

> spread it to english knowing group.

>

> Although I have a speaking knowledge of Marathi

being aresident of

> Bombay for over 6 decades, I donot have detailed

knowledge of

> Marathi Technical terms to appreciate the sense

being conveyed. I

> am,nevertheless ,in the process of understanding the

subject.

> Sorry, you will have to wait for some time.

>

> Regards,

>

> Satish

>

> , " Shirish Jain "

> wrote:

> > Dear Satish:

> >

> > Is it possible for you to provide an overview of

this methodology

> for

> > those of us that are unfamiliar with this

approach?

> >

> > Thanks.

> > Shirish

> >

> > , " rsatish1942 "

> <rsatish1942> wrote:

> > > Dear Ron,

> > >

> > > The 4 step method,has become very popular among

the

> > > locals,unfortunately not being in English,has

its own captive

> > > audience.

> > > I spoke to the author of this method ,if he was

planning to

> bring an

> > > English translation,which he had targetted for

this year,he

> > > mentioned due ill health he was unable to do so

.. We can only

> pray

> > > for his good health,at this moment.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Satish

> > >

> > > ,

" rongaunt@b... au "

> > > <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Satish,

> > > >

> > > > The four step method you mention should be

capable of being

> > > > checked for validity. A prominent planet say

in conjunction

> with

> > > > natal Ascendant and shown to be important in

subsequent events

> > > > should show whether this works.

> > > >

> > > > I did a quick check on Tony Blair who has

Jupiter in close

> > > > conjunction with the Ascendant. Jupiter has

been very

> > > > prominent in transit in all his political

successes.

> > > >

> > > > 1. Jupiter's location in respect of bhavas:

Jupiter owns

> 8th,

> > > > 9th and 12th houses.

> > > >

> > > > 2. The starlord of above planet and

significations: Starlord

> is

> > > > Sun which is strong 1st and 2nd class

significators of

the

> > > > 12th house, but is also weaker

significator of 1st house.

> > > >

> > > > 3. The sublord of planet as in 1.and

significations: Sublord

> is

> > > > Mercury. Mercury is significator of 4

and associated

with

> > > > 2,3,6, and 12.

> > > >

> > > > 4. Starlord of sublord and significations:

Starlord is Ketu

> > > > which is 1st class significators of 6,

10, and 11.

> > > >

> > > > On the whole what stands out here is that

except for item

> > > > 4 the other indicators are not very

persuasive.

> > > > However item 4 seems extremely persuasive and

warrants

> > > > further investigation.

> > > >

> > > > Of course this is only one case and really

requires many cases

> > > > for correct determination. Note that Blair

also has Mars in

> > > > conjunction with his Ascendant, and this comes

up with better

> > > > indications, although Mars is not as prominent

in transit for

> his

> > > > career successes.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the information.

> > > >

> > > > Ron Gaunt

> > > >

> > > > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:31:19 -0000, you wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >Dear Ron,

> > > > >

> > > > >Many thanks for your kind reply. I am

familiar with the use

> of

> > > > >pendulum mainly for dowsing purposes.I have

never tried for

> birth

> > > > >time rectification.

> > > > >

> > > > >In Mumbai, amongst the locals there is the

concept of 4 step

> > > method

> > > > >where for each planet ,4 levels of

signification are arrived

> at

> > > > >1.the planets location in respective,

ownership of bhavas

> > > > >2 the starlord of above planet and

significations

> > > > >3 the sublord of planet as in 1.and

significations

> > > > >4 starlord of sublord and significations.

> > > > >additional weightage is given to planets in

its own star and

> > > planets

> > > > >with no planets in its stars.

> > > > >

> > > > >The author of this method publishes 2

magazines in Marathi a

> > > local

> > > > >language,and annual seminars are held.

> > > > >Couple of days ago, I spoke to Mr Sunil

Gondhalekar,who has

> > > written

> > > > >books on 4 step theory but in Marathi

only,(hence restricted

> > > > >clientile).

> > > > >

> > > > >When I spoke to him on the issue of Birth

time

> rectification ,

> > > > >He mentioned that after trying several

methods, he has

> accepted

> > > RP

> > > > >mathodology.The success rate has been around

80%,and was

> happy

> > > with

> > > > >this level.He is an ardent devotee of KP for

nearly 30 years.

> > > > >

> > > > >To summarise therefore, our search seems to

be searching

for

> the

> > > > >Holy Grail,never ending.

> > > > >

> > > > >Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > >Satish

> > > > >

> > > > >PS for those research minded, you may go the'

tatwa'

> theory,based

> > > on

> > > > >5 elements, covered in PVR Rayudus

website.there

> calculations

> > > are

> > > > >to be done manually.I have tried,a very

painstaking

> effort,for

> > > small

> > > > >success.Mr Khullar , anothed author of Cuspal

interlink

> theory,

> > > > >states in his book of lack of success in

this..

> > > > >

> > > > >-- In ,

" rongaunt@b... au "

> > > <rongaunt@b...>

> > > > >wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Satish,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> The problem with getting a definitive

answer to the

problem

> of

> > > > >> rectification, is that all too often we are

presented with

> cases

> > > > >> sponsored by astrologers who have had what

they consider a

> hit

> > > in

> > > > >> a particular 'current' case. This may or

may not be

> valid, as

> > > > >> only time will tell will whether the

rectification is

> correct.

> > > > >> This was why I suggested the experiments

from AA rated

birth

> > > > >> charts.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> This experiment whilst interesting - and

showing a bias

> towards

> > > > >> the horary RP method, is far from

conclusive because at

> best it

> > > > >> gave a 70% success rate.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Another factor is that this method relies

on the 'gift' of

> the

> > > > >> individual astrologer. It is not at all

unreasonable to

> > > suggest

> > > > >> that some astrologers may have the gift of

synchronicity

> whilst

> > > > >> others do not. We see this in everyday

life where some

> people

> > > > >> appear to have an excellent sense of

timing, whilst others

> seem

> > > > >> to always get it wrong.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> On the basis of this it is hard to consider

that this

> method can

> > > > >> ever be labeled scientific.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> A more scientific approach is where

different astrologers

> can

> > > > >> examine the same chart and event and using

the same

> technique

> > > > >> can arrive at a like conclusion. Methods

such as the Nadi

> > > > >> system, or the Western systems of Kundig

and various

> methods

> > > > >> of progression, lend themselves to these

methods of

> > > > >> rectification.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> The problem is that when put to systematic

tests they

> seldom

> > > > >> offer the result we would like. I have

looked at the

> Nadi and

> > > > >> Kundig Systems, and found them wanting.

More promising

> is the

> > > > >> Western methods of progression, but they

need considerable

> > > > >> research because one has to examine various

rates and

types

> of

> > > > >> progression for each event. There are

also other

> > > > >> considerations such as which angles to use,

whether to use

> Bija

> > > > >> correction etc.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> A simple way of looking at possible

rectification is one

> that

> > > > >> many Western astrologers resort to. This

is looking at

> > > > >> the transit of planets at the time of an

event related to

> the

> > > > >> angles of the chart. The slower moving

planets do

> frequently

> > > > >> give an approximate position of birth chart

angles by

> relation

> > > to

> > > > >> the time of an important event.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> One method that I have not seen canvassed

on any of the

> Lists is

> > > > >> one that I have had some success with.

This is the use

> of

> > > the

> > > > >> pendulum. I have taken names from a

List showing AA

> rated

> > > > >> charts where I have not known the time of

Birth or any

chart

> > > > >> details. I have then checked for TOB or

Lagna position

by

> > > using

> > > > >> a pendulum. I have been pleasantly

surprised to find that

> > > > >> frequently the result is within a couple of

minutes of the

> > > > >> reported TOB. This has to be more than

coincidence out

of

> a

> > > > >> period of 24 hours. Whilst it is not

always so

> accurate, the

> > > > >> results are sufficient for me to believe

that with

practice

> this

> > > > >> method could prove very useful.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Ron Gaunt

> > > > >>

> > > > >> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:49:13 -0000, you

wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> > , " Kanak

Bosmia "

> > > > ><kanbosastro@h...>

> > > > >> >wrote:

> > > > >> >Dear Kanakji,

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> >In Astro & KP reader II there was a

reference to using 10th

> Cusp

> > > to

> > > > >> >verify the correctness of birth time. I

had raised this

> > > problem

> > > > >more

> > > > >> >than a month ago in this forum.

Unfortunately , there was

> NIL

> > > > >response

> > > > >> >from any one.This is indeed unfortunate.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > It is sad, even now the issue of birth

time correction

is

> not

> > > > >> >satisfactorily resolved to provide

guidelines.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Let the pray for divine intevention,

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Regards,

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> >Satish

> > > > >> >

July 5, 2005

Dear Dilip Ranade,

Whilst I am in process,since Marathi is your mother tongue, you may

contact the author Sunil Gondhalekar, residing at Thane, 2588-8179

or A.P. Patharkar, Shivaji park Dadar, tel 24370539.

Thanks to you all my glossary of Marathi will improve.

Regards,

Satish

, dilip ranade <dilipdsr>

wrote:

> Dear Stish,

> 1. Could you please elaborate the 4 step theory and

> how it is used ,pending the english translation.

> With best wishes

> Dilip

> --- Shirish Jain <shirishcom> wrote:

>

> Dear Sir:

>

> I await your future posting on this subject.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

> Shirish

>

> , " rsatish1942 "

> <rsatish1942>

> wrote:

> > Dear Shirish Jain,

> >

> > The 4 step theory is an extension of standard

> KP.Like any thing new

> > and revolutionary has its own captive audience.Since

> its knowledge

> > is restricted to Marathi speaking group, no effort

> was made to

> > spread it to english knowing group.

> >

> > Although I have a speaking knowledge of Marathi

> being aresident of

> > Bombay for over 6 decades, I donot have detailed

> knowledge of

> > Marathi Technical terms to appreciate the sense

> being conveyed. I

> > am,nevertheless ,in the process of understanding the

> subject.

> > Sorry, you will have to wait for some time.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Satish

> >

> > , " Shirish Jain "

> <shirishcom>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Satish:

> > >

> > > Is it possible for you to provide an overview of

> this methodology

> > for

> > > those of us that are unfamiliar with this

> approach?

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > > Shirish

> > >

> > > , " rsatish1942 "

> > <rsatish1942> wrote:

> > > > Dear Ron,

> > > >

> > > > The 4 step method,has become very popular among

> the

> > > > locals,unfortunately not being in English,has

> its own captive

> > > > audience.

> > > > I spoke to the author of this method ,if he was

> planning to

> > bring an

> > > > English translation,which he had targetted for

> this year,he

> > > > mentioned due ill health he was unable to do so

> . We can only

> > pray

> > > > for his good health,at this moment.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > >

> > > > ,

> " rongaunt@b... au "

> > > > <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > >

> > > > > The four step method you mention should be

> capable of being

> > > > > checked for validity. A prominent planet say

> in conjunction

> > with

> > > > > natal Ascendant and shown to be important in

> subsequent events

> > > > > should show whether this works.

> > > > >

> > > > > I did a quick check on Tony Blair who has

> Jupiter in close

> > > > > conjunction with the Ascendant. Jupiter has

> been very

> > > > > prominent in transit in all his political

> successes.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Jupiter's location in respect of bhavas:

> Jupiter owns

> > 8th,

> > > > > 9th and 12th houses.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. The starlord of above planet and

> significations: Starlord

> > is

> > > > > Sun which is strong 1st and 2nd class

> significators of

> the

> > > > > 12th house, but is also weaker

> significator of 1st house.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. The sublord of planet as in 1.and

> significations: Sublord

> > is

> > > > > Mercury. Mercury is significator of 4

> and associated

> with

> > > > > 2,3,6, and 12.

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. Starlord of sublord and significations:

> Starlord is Ketu

> > > > > which is 1st class significators of 6,

> 10, and 11.

> > > > >

> > > > > On the whole what stands out here is that

> except for item

> > > > > 4 the other indicators are not very

> persuasive.

> > > > > However item 4 seems extremely persuasive and

> warrants

> > > > > further investigation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course this is only one case and really

> requires many cases

> > > > > for correct determination. Note that Blair

> also has Mars in

> > > > > conjunction with his Ascendant, and this comes

> up with better

> > > > > indications, although Mars is not as prominent

> in transit for

> > his

> > > > > career successes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for the information.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ron Gaunt

> > > > >

> > > > > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:31:19 -0000, you wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >Dear Ron,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Many thanks for your kind reply. I am

> familiar with the use

> > of

> > > > > >pendulum mainly for dowsing purposes.I have

> never tried for

> > birth

> > > > > >time rectification.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >In Mumbai, amongst the locals there is the

> concept of 4 step

> > > > method

> > > > > >where for each planet ,4 levels of

> signification are arrived

> > at

> > > > > >1.the planets location in respective,

> ownership of bhavas

> > > > > >2 the starlord of above planet and

> significations

> > > > > >3 the sublord of planet as in 1.and

> significations

> > > > > >4 starlord of sublord and significations.

> > > > > >additional weightage is given to planets in

> its own star and

> > > > planets

> > > > > >with no planets in its stars.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >The author of this method publishes 2

> magazines in Marathi a

> > > > local

> > > > > >language,and annual seminars are held.

> > > > > >Couple of days ago, I spoke to Mr Sunil

> Gondhalekar,who has

> > > > written

> > > > > >books on 4 step theory but in Marathi

> only,(hence restricted

> > > > > >clientile).

> > > > > >

> > > > > >When I spoke to him on the issue of Birth

> time

> > rectification ,

> > > > > >He mentioned that after trying several

> methods, he has

> > accepted

> > > > RP

> > > > > >mathodology.The success rate has been around

> 80%,and was

> > happy

> > > > with

> > > > > >this level.He is an ardent devotee of KP for

> nearly 30 years.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >To summarise therefore, our search seems to

> be searching

> for

> > the

> > > > > >Holy Grail,never ending.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Satish

> > > > > >

> > > > > >PS for those research minded, you may go the'

> tatwa'

> > theory,based

> > > > on

> > > > > >5 elements, covered in PVR Rayudus

> website.there

> > calculations

> > > > are

> > > > > >to be done manually.I have tried,a very

> painstaking

> > effort,for

> > > > small

> > > > > >success.Mr Khullar , anothed author of Cuspal

> interlink

> > theory,

> > > > > >states in his book of lack of success in

> this..

> > > > > >

> > > > > >-- In ,

> " rongaunt@b... au "

> > > > <rongaunt@b...>

> > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Dear Satish,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> The problem with getting a definitive

> answer to the

> problem

> > of

> > > > > >> rectification, is that all too often we are

> presented with

> > cases

> > > > > >> sponsored by astrologers who have had what

> they consider a

> > hit

> > > > in

> > > > > >> a particular 'current' case. This may or

> may not be

> > valid, as

> > > > > >> only time will tell will whether the

> rectification is

> > correct.

> > > > > >> This was why I suggested the experiments

> from AA rated

> birth

> > > > > >> charts.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> This experiment whilst interesting - and

> showing a bias

> > towards

> > > > > >> the horary RP method, is far from

> conclusive because at

> > best it

> > > > > >> gave a 70% success rate.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Another factor is that this method relies

> on the 'gift' of

> > the

> > > > > >> individual astrologer. It is not at all

> unreasonable to

> > > > suggest

> > > > > >> that some astrologers may have the gift of

> synchronicity

> > whilst

> > > > > >> others do not. We see this in everyday

> life where some

> > people

> > > > > >> appear to have an excellent sense of

> timing, whilst others

> > seem

> > > > > >> to always get it wrong.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> On the basis of this it is hard to consider

> that this

> > method can

> > > > > >> ever be labeled scientific.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> A more scientific approach is where

> different astrologers

> > can

> > > > > >> examine the same chart and event and using

> the same

> > technique

> > > > > >> can arrive at a like conclusion. Methods

> such as the Nadi

> > > > > >> system, or the Western systems of Kundig

> and various

> > methods

> > > > > >> of progression, lend themselves to these

> methods of

> > > > > >> rectification.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> The problem is that when put to systematic

> tests they

> > seldom

> > > > > >> offer the result we would like. I have

> looked at the

> > Nadi and

> > > > > >> Kundig Systems, and found them wanting.

> More promising

> > is the

> > > > > >> Western methods of progression, but they

> need considerable

> > > > > >> research because one has to examine various

> rates and

> types

> > of

> > > > > >> progression for each event. There are

> also other

> > > > > >> considerations such as which angles to use,

> whether to use

> > Bija

> > > > > >> correction etc.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> A simple way of looking at possible

> rectification is one

> > that

> > > > > >> many Western astrologers resort to. This

> is looking at

> > > > > >> the transit of planets at the time of an

> event related to

> > the

> > > > > >> angles of the chart. The slower moving

> planets do

> > frequently

> > > > > >> give an approximate position of birth chart

> angles by

> > relation

> > > > to

> > > > > >> the time of an important event.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> One method that I have not seen canvassed

> on any of the

> > Lists is

> > > > > >> one that I have had some success with.

> This is the use

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > >> pendulum. I have taken names from a

> List showing AA

> > rated

> > > > > >> charts where I have not known the time of

> Birth or any

> chart

> > > > > >> details. I have then checked for TOB or

> Lagna position

> by

> > > > using

> > > > > >> a pendulum. I have been pleasantly

> surprised to find that

> > > > > >> frequently the result is within a couple of

> minutes of the

> > > > > >> reported TOB. This has to be more than

> coincidence out

> of

> > a

> > > > > >> period of 24 hours. Whilst it is not

> always so

> > accurate, the

> > > > > >> results are sufficient for me to believe

> that with

> practice

> > this

> > > > > >> method could prove very useful.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Ron Gaunt

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:49:13 -0000, you

> wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > , " Kanak

> Bosmia "

> > > > > ><kanbosastro@h...>

> > > > > >> >wrote:

> > > > > >> >Dear Kanakji,

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> >In Astro & KP reader II there was a

> reference to using 10th

> > Cusp

> > > > to

> > > > > >> >verify the correctness of birth time. I

> had raised this

> > > > problem

> > > > > >more

> > > > > >> >than a month ago in this forum.

> Unfortunately , there was

> > NIL

> > > > > >response

> > > > > >> >from any one.This is indeed unfortunate.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > It is sad, even now the issue of birth

> time correction

> is

> > not

> > > > > >> >satisfactorily resolved to provide

> guidelines.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Let the pray for divine intevention,

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Regards,

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> >Satish

> > > > > >> >

July 6, 2005

Dea Satish,

Thanx for the contact I will let you know once I

talk/contact them

Best wishes and regards

Dilip

--- rsatish1942 <rsatish1942 wrote:

Dear Dilip Ranade,

Whilst I am in process,since Marathi is your mother

tongue, you may

contact the author Sunil Gondhalekar, residing at

Thane, 2588-8179

or A.P. Patharkar, Shivaji park Dadar, tel 24370539.

Thanks to you all my glossary of Marathi will

improve.

Regards,

Satish

, dilip ranade

wrote:

> Dear Stish,

> 1. Could you please elaborate the 4 step theory and

> how it is used ,pending the english translation.

> With best wishes

> Dilip

> --- Shirish Jain <shirishcom> wrote:

>

> Dear Sir:

>

> I await your future posting on this subject.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

> Shirish

>

> , " rsatish1942 "

> <rsatish1942>

> wrote:

> > Dear Shirish Jain,

> >

> > The 4 step theory is an extension of standard

> KP.Like any thing new

> > and revolutionary has its own captive

audience.Since

> its knowledge

> > is restricted to Marathi speaking group, no effort

> was made to

> > spread it to english knowing group.

> >

> > Although I have a speaking knowledge of Marathi

> being aresident of

> > Bombay for over 6 decades, I donot have detailed

> knowledge of

> > Marathi Technical terms to appreciate the sense

> being conveyed. I

> > am,nevertheless ,in the process of understanding

the

> subject.

> > Sorry, you will have to wait for some time.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Satish

> >

> > , " Shirish Jain "

> <shirishcom>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Satish:

> > >

> > > Is it possible for you to provide an overview of

> this methodology

> > for

> > > those of us that are unfamiliar with this

> approach?

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > > Shirish

> > >

> > > , " rsatish1942 "

> > <rsatish1942> wrote:

> > > > Dear Ron,

> > > >

> > > > The 4 step method,has become very popular

among

> the

> > > > locals,unfortunately not being in English,has

> its own captive

> > > > audience.

> > > > I spoke to the author of this method ,if he

was

> planning to

> > bring an

> > > > English translation,which he had targetted for

> this year,he

> > > > mentioned due ill health he was unable to do

so

> . We can only

> > pray

> > > > for his good health,at this moment.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Satish

> > > >

> > > > ,

> " rongaunt@b... au "

> > > > <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > >

> > > > > The four step method you mention should be

> capable of being

> > > > > checked for validity. A prominent planet

say

> in conjunction

> > with

> > > > > natal Ascendant and shown to be important in

> subsequent events

> > > > > should show whether this works.

> > > > >

> > > > > I did a quick check on Tony Blair who has

> Jupiter in close

> > > > > conjunction with the Ascendant. Jupiter

has

> been very

> > > > > prominent in transit in all his political

> successes.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Jupiter's location in respect of bhavas:

> Jupiter owns

> > 8th,

> > > > > 9th and 12th houses.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. The starlord of above planet and

> significations: Starlord

> > is

> > > > > Sun which is strong 1st and 2nd class

> significators of

> the

> > > > > 12th house, but is also weaker

> significator of 1st house.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. The sublord of planet as in 1.and

> significations: Sublord

> > is

> > > > > Mercury. Mercury is significator of 4

> and associated

> with

> > > > > 2,3,6, and 12.

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. Starlord of sublord and significations:

> Starlord is Ketu

> > > > > which is 1st class significators of 6,

> 10, and 11.

> > > > >

> > > > > On the whole what stands out here is that

> except for item

> > > > > 4 the other indicators are not very

> persuasive.

> > > > > However item 4 seems extremely persuasive

and

> warrants

> > > > > further investigation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course this is only one case and really

> requires many cases

> > > > > for correct determination. Note that Blair

> also has Mars in

> > > > > conjunction with his Ascendant, and this

comes

> up with better

> > > > > indications, although Mars is not as

prominent

> in transit for

> > his

> > > > > career successes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for the information.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ron Gaunt

> > > > >

> > > > > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:31:19 -0000, you

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >Dear Ron,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Many thanks for your kind reply. I am

> familiar with the use

> > of

> > > > > >pendulum mainly for dowsing purposes.I have

> never tried for

> > birth

> > > > > >time rectification.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >In Mumbai, amongst the locals there is the

> concept of 4 step

> > > > method

> > > > > >where for each planet ,4 levels of

> signification are arrived

> > at

> > > > > >1.the planets location in respective,

> ownership of bhavas

> > > > > >2 the starlord of above planet and

> significations

> > > > > >3 the sublord of planet as in 1.and

> significations

> > > > > >4 starlord of sublord and significations.

> > > > > >additional weightage is given to planets in

> its own star and

> > > > planets

> > > > > >with no planets in its stars.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >The author of this method publishes 2

> magazines in Marathi a

> > > > local

> > > > > >language,and annual seminars are held.

> > > > > >Couple of days ago, I spoke to Mr Sunil

> Gondhalekar,who has

> > > > written

> > > > > >books on 4 step theory but in Marathi

> only,(hence restricted

> > > > > >clientile).

> > > > > >

> > > > > >When I spoke to him on the issue of Birth

> time

> > rectification ,

> > > > > >He mentioned that after trying several

> methods, he has

> > accepted

> > > > RP

> > > > > >mathodology.The success rate has been

around

> 80%,and was

> > happy

> > > > with

> > > > > >this level.He is an ardent devotee of KP

for

> nearly 30 years.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >To summarise therefore, our search seems

to

> be searching

> for

> > the

> > > > > >Holy Grail,never ending.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Satish

> > > > > >

> > > > > >PS for those research minded, you may go

the'

> tatwa'

> > theory,based

> > > > on

> > > > > >5 elements, covered in PVR Rayudus

> website.there

> > calculations

> > > > are

> > > > > >to be done manually.I have tried,a very

> painstaking

> > effort,for

> > > > small

> > > > > >success.Mr Khullar , anothed author of

Cuspal

> interlink

> > theory,

> > > > > >states in his book of lack of success in

> this..

> > > > > >

> > > > > >-- In ,

> " rongaunt@b... au "

> > > > <rongaunt@b...>

> > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Dear Satish,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> The problem with getting a definitive

> answer to the

> problem

> > of

> > > > > >> rectification, is that all too often we

are

> presented with

> > cases

> > > > > >> sponsored by astrologers who have had

what

> they consider a

> > hit

> > > > in

> > > > > >> a particular 'current' case. This may

or

> may not be

> > valid, as

> > > > > >> only time will tell will whether the

> rectification is

> > correct.

> > > > > >> This was why I suggested the experiments

> from AA rated

> birth

> > > > > >> charts.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> This experiment whilst interesting - and

> showing a bias

> > towards

> > > > > >> the horary RP method, is far from

> conclusive because at

> > best it

> > > > > >> gave a 70% success rate.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Another factor is that this method relies

> on the 'gift' of

> > the

> > > > > >> individual astrologer. It is not at all

> unreasonable to

> > > > suggest

> > > > > >> that some astrologers may have the gift

of

> synchronicity

> > whilst

> > > > > >> others do not. We see this in everyday

> life where some

> > people

> > > > > >> appear to have an excellent sense of

> timing, whilst others

> > seem

> > > > > >> to always get it wrong.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> On the basis of this it is hard to

consider

> that this

> > method can

> > > > > >> ever be labeled scientific.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> A more scientific approach is where

> different astrologers

> > can

> > > > > >> examine the same chart and event and

using

> the same

> > technique

> > > > > >> can arrive at a like conclusion.

Methods

> such as the Nadi

> > > > > >> system, or the Western systems of

Kundig

> and various

> > methods

> > > > > >> of progression, lend themselves to these

> methods of

> > > > > >> rectification.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> The problem is that when put to

systematic

> tests they

> > seldom

> > > > > >> offer the result we would like. I have

> looked at the

> > Nadi and

> > > > > >> Kundig Systems, and found them wanting.

> More promising

> > is the

> > > > > >> Western methods of progression, but they

> need considerable

> > > > > >> research because one has to examine

various

> rates and

> types

> > of

> > > > > >> progression for each event. There are

> also other

> > > > > >> considerations such as which angles to

use,

> whether to use

> > Bija

> > > > > >> correction etc.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> A simple way of looking at possible

> rectification is one

> > that

> > > > > >> many Western astrologers resort to.

This

> is looking at

> > > > > >> the transit of planets at the time of an

> event related to

> > the

> > > > > >> angles of the chart. The slower moving

> planets do

> > frequently

> > > > > >> give an approximate position of birth

chart

> angles by

> > relation

> > > > to

> > > > > >> the time of an important event.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> One method that I have not seen canvassed

> on any of the

> > Lists is

> > > > > >> one that I have had some success with.

> This is the use

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > >> pendulum. I have taken names from a

> List showing AA

> > rated

> > > > > >> charts where I have not known the time of

> Birth or any

> chart

> > > > > >> details. I have then checked for TOB or

> Lagna position

> by

> > > > using

> > > > > >> a pendulum. I have been pleasantly

> surprised to find that

> > > > > >> frequently the result is within a couple

of

> minutes of the

> > > > > >> reported TOB. This has to be more than

> coincidence out

> of

> > a

> > > > > >> period of 24 hours. Whilst it is not

> always so

> > accurate, the

> > > > > >> results are sufficient for me to believe

> that with

> practice

> > this

> > > > > >> method could prove very useful.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Ron Gaunt

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:49:13 -0000, you

> wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > ,

" Kanak

> Bosmia "

> > > > > ><kanbosastro@h...>

> > > > > >> >wrote:

> > > > > >> >Dear Kanakji,

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> >In Astro & KP reader II there was a

> reference to using 10th

> > Cusp

> > > > to

> > > > > >> >verify the correctness of birth time. I

> had raised this

> > > > problem

> > > > > >more

> > > > > >> >than a month ago in this forum.

> Unfortunately , there was

> > NIL

> > > > > >response

> > > > > >> >from any one.This is indeed unfortunate.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > It is sad, even now the issue of birth

> time correction

> is

> > not

> > > > > >> >satisfactorily resolved to provide

> guidelines.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Let the pray for divine intevention,

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Regards,

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> >Satish

> > > > > >> >

July 9, 2005

Dear Dilip,

Even great Scientists believe quite strongly, that...All knowledge is only approximation...hence this modern "craze for being 100% accurate is,like Satish says...like "a search for the Holy Grail..."

Pl. refer to the articles "the craze for accuracy..." by Mr.A.R.Raichur...important extracys of which I have reproduced in this forum ...

With regards,

Yours sincerely,

L..Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !dilip ranade <dilipdsr wrote:

Dea Satish,Thanx for the contact I will let you know once Italk/contact themBest wishes and regardsDilip--- rsatish1942 <rsatish1942 wrote:Dear Dilip Ranade,Whilst I am in process,since Marathi is your mothertongue, you may contact the author Sunil Gondhalekar, residing atThane, 2588-8179 or A.P. Patharkar, Shivaji park Dadar, tel 24370539.Thanks to you all my glossary of Marathi willimprove.Regards,Satish , dilip ranade<dilipdsr> wrote:> Dear Stish,> 1. Could you please elaborate the 4 step theory and> how it is used ,pending the english translation.> With best wishes> Dilip> --- Shirish Jain <shirishcom> wrote:> >

> > Dear Sir:> > I await your future posting on this subject.> > Thanks & Regards,> Shirish> > , "rsatish1942"> <rsatish1942>> wrote:> > Dear Shirish Jain,> > > > The 4 step theory is an extension of standard> KP.Like any thing new > > and revolutionary has its own captiveaudience.Since> its knowledge > > is restricted to Marathi speaking group, no effort> was made to > > spread it to english knowing group.> > > > Although I have a speaking knowledge of Marathi> being aresident of > > Bombay for over 6 decades, I donot have detailed> knowledge of > > Marathi Technical terms to appreciate the sense> being conveyed. I > > am,nevertheless ,in the process of

understandingthe> subject.> > Sorry, you will have to wait for some time.> > > > Regards,> > > > Satish> > > > > > > > , "Shirish Jain"> <shirishcom> > > wrote:> > > Dear Satish:> > > > > > Is it possible for you to provide an overview of> this methodology > > for> > > those of us that are unfamiliar with this> approach?> > > > > > Thanks.> > > Shirish> > > > > > , "rsatish1942"> > <rsatish1942> wrote:> > > > Dear Ron,> > > > > > > > The 4 step method,has become very popularamong> the > > > > locals,unfortunately not being in English,has> its

own captive > > > > audience.> > > > I spoke to the author of this method ,if hewas> planning to > > bring an > > > > English translation,which he had targetted for> this year,he > > > > mentioned due ill health he was unable to doso> . We can only > > pray > > > > for his good health,at this moment.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,> "rongaunt@b... au" > > > > <rongaunt@b...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The four step method you mention should be> capable of being> > >

> > checked for validity. A prominent planetsay> in conjunction > > with> > > > > natal Ascendant and shown to be important in> subsequent events> > > > > should show whether this works.> > > > > > > > > > I did a quick check on Tony Blair who has> Jupiter in close> > > > > conjunction with the Ascendant. Jupiterhas> been very> > > > > prominent in transit in all his political> successes.> > > > > > > > > > 1. Jupiter's location in respect of bhavas:> Jupiter owns > > 8th, > > > > > 9th and 12th houses.> > > > > > > > > > 2. The starlord of above planet and> significations: Starlord > > is> > > >

> Sun which is strong 1st and 2nd class> significators of > the> > > > > 12th house, but is also weaker> significator of 1st house.> > > > > > > > > > 3. The sublord of planet as in 1.and> significations: Sublord > > is> > > > > Mercury. Mercury is significator of 4> and associated> with> > > > > 2,3,6, and 12.> > > > > > > > > > 4. Starlord of sublord and significations: > Starlord is Ketu > > > > > which is 1st class significators of 6,> 10, and 11.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the whole what stands out here is that> except for item> > >

> > 4 the other indicators are not very> persuasive.> > > > > However item 4 seems extremely persuasiveand> warrants > > > > > further investigation.> > > > > > > > > > Of course this is only one case and really> requires many cases> > > > > for correct determination. Note that Blair> also has Mars in> > > > > conjunction with his Ascendant, and thiscomes> up with better> > > > > indications, although Mars is not asprominent> in transit for > > his> > > > > career successes.> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the information.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:31:19 -0000, youwrote:> > > > > > > > > > >Dear Ron, > > > > > >> > > > > >Many thanks for your kind reply. I am> familiar with the use > > of > > > > > >pendulum mainly for dowsing purposes.I have> never tried for > > birth > > > > > >time rectification.> > > > > >> > > > > >In Mumbai, amongst the locals there is the> concept of 4 step > > > > method > > > > > >where for each planet ,4 levels of> signification are arrived > > at> > > > > >1.the planets location in respective,> ownership of bhavas> > > > > >2 the starlord of above planet

and> significations> > > > > >3 the sublord of planet as in 1.and> significations> > > > > >4 starlord of sublord and significations.> > > > > >additional weightage is given to planets in> its own star and > > > > planets > > > > > >with no planets in its stars.> > > > > >> > > > > >The author of this method publishes 2> magazines in Marathi a > > > > local > > > > > >language,and annual seminars are held.> > > > > >Couple of days ago, I spoke to Mr Sunil> Gondhalekar,who has > > > > written > > > > > >books on 4 step theory but in Marathi> only,(hence restricted > > > > > >clientile).> > > > > >> > > > > >When I spoke to him on the

issue of Birth> time > > rectification ,> > > > > >He mentioned that after trying several> methods, he has > > accepted > > > > RP > > > > > >mathodology.The success rate has beenaround> 80%,and was > > happy > > > > with > > > > > >this level.He is an ardent devotee of KPfor> nearly 30 years.> > > > > >> > > > > >To summarise therefore, our search seemsto> be searching> for > > the > > > > > >Holy Grail,never ending.> > > > > >> > > > > >Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > >Satish> > > > > >> > > > > >PS for those research minded, you may gothe'> tatwa' > > theory,based

> > > > on > > > > > >5 elements, covered in PVR Rayudus> website.there > > calculations > > > > are > > > > > >to be done manually.I have tried,a very> painstaking > > effort,for > > > > small > > > > > >success.Mr Khullar , anothed author ofCuspal> interlink > > theory, > > > > > >states in his book of lack of success in> this..> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >-- In ,> "rongaunt@b... au" > > > >

<rongaunt@b...> > > > > > >wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > >> Dear Satish,> > > > > >> > > > > > >> The problem with getting a definitive> answer to the> problem > > of> > > > > >> rectification, is that all too often weare> presented with > > cases> > > > > >> sponsored by astrologers who have hadwhat> they consider a > > hit > > > > in> > > > > >> a particular 'current' case. This mayor> may not be > > valid, as> > > > > >> only time will tell will whether the> rectification is > > correct.> > > > > >> This was why I suggested the experiments> from AA rated> birth> > > >

> >> charts. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> This experiment whilst interesting - and> showing a bias > > towards> > > > > >> the horary RP method, is far from> conclusive because at > > best it> > > > > >> gave a 70% success rate.> > > > > >> > > > > > >> Another factor is that this method relies> on the 'gift' of > > the > > > > > >> individual astrologer. It is not at all> unreasonable to > > > > suggest> > > > > >> that some astrologers may have the giftof> synchronicity > > whilst> > > > > >> others do not. We see this in everyday> life where some > > people> > > > > >> appear to have an

excellent sense of> timing, whilst others > > seem> > > > > >> to always get it wrong.> > > > > >> > > > > > >> On the basis of this it is hard toconsider> that this > > method can> > > > > >> ever be labeled scientific.> > > > > >> > > > > > >> A more scientific approach is where> different astrologers > > can> > > > > >> examine the same chart and event andusing> the same > > technique> > > > > >> can arrive at a like conclusion. Methods> such as the Nadi> > > > > >> system, or the Western systems ofKundig> and various > > methods> > > > > >> of progression, lend themselves to these> methods

of> > > > > >> rectification.> > > > > >> > > > > > >> The problem is that when put tosystematic> tests they > > seldom > > > > > >> offer the result we would like. I have> looked at the > > Nadi and> > > > > >> Kundig Systems, and found them wanting. > More promising > > is the> > > > > >> Western methods of progression, but they> need considerable> > > > > >> research because one has to examinevarious> rates and> types > > of> > > > > >> progression for each event. There are> also other> > > > > >> considerations such as which angles touse,> whether to use > > Bija> > > > >

>> correction etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > >> A simple way of looking at possible> rectification is one > > that> > > > > >> many Western astrologers resort to. This> is looking at> > > > > >> the transit of planets at the time of an> event related to > > the> > > > > >> angles of the chart. The slower moving> planets do > > frequently> > > > > >> give an approximate position of birthchart> angles by > > relation > > > > to> > > > > >> the time of an important event.> > > > > >> > > > > > >> One method that I have not seen canvassed> on any of the > > Lists is> > > > > >> one that I have had some

success with. > This is the use > > of > > > > the> > > > > >> pendulum. I have taken names from a> List showing AA > > rated> > > > > >> charts where I have not known the time of> Birth or any> chart> > > > > >> details. I have then checked for TOB or> Lagna position> by > > > > using> > > > > >> a pendulum. I have been pleasantly> surprised to find that> > > > > >> frequently the result is within a coupleof> minutes of the> > > > > >> reported TOB. This has to be more than> coincidence out> of > > a> > > > > >> period of 24 hours. Whilst it is not> always so

> > accurate, the> > > > > >> results are sufficient for me to believe> that with> practice > > this> > > > > >> method could prove very useful.> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Ron Gaunt> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:49:13 -0000, you> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > ,"Kanak> Bosmia" > > > > > ><kanbosastro@h...> > > > > > >> >wrote:> > > > > >> >Dear Kanakji,> > > > > >> >> > >

> > >> >In Astro & KP reader II there was a> reference to using 10th > > Cusp > > > > to > > > > > >> >verify the correctness of birth time. I> had raised this > > > > problem > > > > > >more > > > > > >> >than a month ago in this forum.> Unfortunately , there was > > NIL > > > > > >response > > > > > >> >from any one.This is indeed unfortunate.> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > It is sad, even now the issue of birth> time correction> is > > not > > > > > >> >satisfactorily resolved to provide> guidelines.> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > Let the pray for divine intevention,> > > > >

>> >> > > > > >> > Regards,> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >Satish> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >

July 10, 2005

Dear Yagesh Rao Lajmi,

1. I have gone through the articles and do beleive

that this craze will not lead anywhere rather will

make matters more difficult and complex to understand

and put in practice.

2. The aim was to know the new system and how

practical it would be to use.

3. Learning should not stop.

Thanx for the input.

With best wishes and regards

Dilip

--- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

> Dear Dilip,

> Even great Scientists believe quite

> strongly, that...All knowledge is only

> approximation...hence this modern " craze for being

> 100% accurate is,like Satish says...like " a search

> for the Holy Grail... "

> Pl. refer to the articles " the craze

> for accuracy... " by Mr.A.R.Raichur...important

> extracys of which I have reproduced in this forum

> ...

> With regards,

> Yours sincerely,

> L..Y.Rao.

> GOOD LUCK !

>

> dilip ranade <dilipdsr wrote:

> Dea Satish,

> Thanx for the contact I will let you know once I

> talk/contact them

> Best wishes and regards

> Dilip

> --- rsatish1942 <rsatish1942 wrote:

>

> Dear Dilip Ranade,

>

> Whilst I am in process,since Marathi is your mother

> tongue, you may

> contact the author Sunil Gondhalekar, residing at

> Thane, 2588-8179

> or A.P. Patharkar, Shivaji park Dadar, tel

> 24370539.

> Thanks to you all my glossary of Marathi will

> improve.

> Regards,

> Satish

>

> , dilip ranade

> <dilipdsr>

> wrote:

> > Dear Stish,

> > 1. Could you please elaborate the 4 step theory

> and

> > how it is used ,pending the english translation.

> > With best wishes

> > Dilip

> > --- Shirish Jain <shirishcom> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir:

> >

> > I await your future posting on this subject.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> > Shirish

> >

> > , " rsatish1942 "

> > <rsatish1942>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Shirish Jain,

> > >

> > > The 4 step theory is an extension of standard

> > KP.Like any thing new

> > > and revolutionary has its own captive

> audience.Since

> > its knowledge

> > > is restricted to Marathi speaking group, no

> effort

> > was made to

> > > spread it to english knowing group.

> > >

> > > Although I have a speaking knowledge of Marathi

> > being aresident of

> > > Bombay for over 6 decades, I donot have detailed

> > knowledge of

> > > Marathi Technical terms to appreciate the sense

> > being conveyed. I

> > > am,nevertheless ,in the process of understanding

> the

> > subject.

> > > Sorry, you will have to wait for some time.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Satish

> > >

> > > , " Shirish

> Jain "

> > <shirishcom>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Satish:

> > > >

> > > > Is it possible for you to provide an overview

> of

> > this methodology

> > > for

> > > > those of us that are unfamiliar with this

> > approach?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks.

> > > > Shirish

> > > >

> > > > ,

> " rsatish1942 "

>

> > > <rsatish1942> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Ron,

> > > > >

> > > > > The 4 step method,has become very popular

> among

> > the

> > > > > locals,unfortunately not being in

> English,has

> > its own captive

> > > > > audience.

> > > > > I spoke to the author of this method ,if he

> was

> > planning to

> > > bring an

> > > > > English translation,which he had targetted

> for

> > this year,he

> > > > > mentioned due ill health he was unable to do

> so

> > . We can only

> > > pray

> > > > > for his good health,at this moment.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Satish

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > " rongaunt@b... au "

> > > > > <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Satish,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The four step method you mention should be

> > capable of being

> > > > > > checked for validity. A prominent planet

> say

> > in conjunction

> > > with

> > > > > > natal Ascendant and shown to be important

> in

> > subsequent events

> > > > > > should show whether this works.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I did a quick check on Tony Blair who has

> > Jupiter in close

> > > > > > conjunction with the Ascendant. Jupiter

> has

> > been very

> > > > > > prominent in transit in all his political

> > successes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Jupiter's location in respect of

> bhavas:

>

> > Jupiter owns

> > > 8th,

> > > > > > 9th and 12th houses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. The starlord of above planet and

> > significations: Starlord

> > > is

> > > > > > Sun which is strong 1st and 2nd class

> > significators of

> > the

> > > > > > 12th house, but is also weaker

> > significator of 1st house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. The sublord of planet as in 1.and

> > significations: Sublord

> > > is

> > > > > > Mercury. Mercury is significator of

> 4

> > and associated

> > with

> > > > > > 2,3,6, and 12.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4. Starlord of sublord and significations:

>

> > Starlord is Ketu

> > > > > > which is 1st class significators of

> 6,

> > 10, and 11.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On the whole what stands out here is that

> > except for item

> > > > > > 4 the other indicators are not very

> > persuasive.

>

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Dear Ramchandani ji,

I am not understand what you exact want to know.please exaplin in details. which planets i eliminated so i can give you detail reply.

why dont you discuss this in group?

regards

kanak

"ramchandani_m2002" <ramchandani_m2002 "Kanak Bosmia" <kanbosastro rectification of birth time Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:49:58 -0000siri have gone through your articles in files section on birth timerectification. will u kindly explain why u always consider rahu andketu positions for rp.also u have eliminated some planets without any explaination. i willbe obloged if u explain little more for our benefit.r MSN Premium brings together everything you need on the Internet in 1 place, including PC security!

June 23, 2007

Dear Sir Year is indicated by Jupiter. Month is indicated by Sun Date is indicated by Moon Day is indicated by day lord Asc cusp sign lord will indicate Asc (lagna) Asc cusp star lord will indicate the star Asc cusp sub lord will indicate the hour. Asc cusp sub sub lord will indicate exact minute Regards Viswanath "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote: Dear learned members,There are methods to correct the incorrect birth timein K.P. System by constellation, sub lord and sub-sublord from the Ruling planets at the time of judgmentof the chart. But how to find the time of the birth,if only date and place of birth is known.I shall be glad and feel obliged if any body can helpfrom the forum.With thanks and regards.________Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool.http://autos./carfinder/

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There are 2 books on birth-time rectification in KP literature: 1. Rectification of Birth Time by K Hariharan 2. Secrets of RP & Birth Time by K Baskaran 3. Your True Horoscope (Birth Time Rectification) by S P Khullar Hasmukhrai J Mehta."S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote: Dear learned members,There are methods to correct the incorrect birth timein K.P. System by constellation, sub lord and sub-sublord from

the Ruling planets at the time of judgmentof the chart. But how to find the time of the birth,if only date and place of birth is known.I shall be glad and feel obliged if any body can helpfrom the forum.With thanks and regards.________Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool.http://autos./carfinder/Hasmukhrai J MehtaAstrological services par excellencehttp://www.astroclinica.com

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