Problem: suffering. Cause of problem. Solution to problem.

[Guest guest]

Dears,

 

Easter is over - luckily - it has been some dreadful days.

 

I do not know if there is a mind outside memory or not but

it is very clear today, is that mind.

 

We use posh and complicated terms and get more and more en

tangled, tangled up in thoughts and words and terms and so

the essentials get lost.

 

Let me make it as simple as can:

 

Theres suffering. Suffering has a cause. Krishnamurti said

the cause is conditioning and I agree. I am a " conditioned

human being " which is the same as a robot, mechanism which

acts according to the way it was programmed to act.

 

I was not a clean slate when I was born. I was overpainted,

print all over. I had inherited my predessors conditioning

and I grew up, and still more conditioning was added to it.

 

Mechanical actions create conflict because one does not act

in accordance with any given present situation. One acts me

chanically. Like a robot.

 

Lack of correspondance between a situation and the actions

taken in the situation leads to conflict and suffering. It

is quite simple.

 

Now, where did the text above arise from? What is the root

of those words? Their platform?

 

The platform is understanding, realisation, insight if you

will; understanding why there is conflict and suffering is

discovering the root, the cause of it.

 

Action taken on basis of understanding ones pre-programming

and that it leads to suffering to act in accordance with it

is a quite different action than actions, taken on basis of

programming, conditioning.

 

A robot cannot do anything about what it is. I can't change

my conditioning. Only understanding the problem, and acting

from that understanding can bring about a change.

 

This is clear as daylight.

 

When the ego (thanks for reminding me, Werner) which is the

conditioning, the me, the self is gone, and its wiped away,

eradicated every time there's understanding its problematic

situation - the doer is gone - and there is nomore conflict

because the usual gap between doer and problem is erased by

or qua or through or via understanding what causes the gap,

namely conditioning.

 

Without a doer (the robottic, mechanical conditioned being)

the action taken in any given situation calls for action is

in correspondance with the situation given, instead of with

the conditioning, the programming, the ego.

 

With the annihilation of the ego, duality is gone. There is

just whatever the situation (not necessarily a problem) and

acting! in correspondance with it. There's no actor present

- no me - no ego - no I.

 

That is Krishnamurtis philosophy & non-dual philosophy in a

nutshell together, two nuts in one shell and a third nut

reporting it.

 

Happy new years to come - and to all of you of course

 

Love

Lene

 

 

 

" you " are what you say...

 

" you " are what you eat...

 

" you " are what you see...

 

" you " are what you hear...

 

" you " are what you write and read...

 

" you " are what you smell...

 

" you " are what you are conscious of...

 

" you " are what you love...

 

....

 

nothing else

 

....

 

all the time...

 

....

 

no exceptions

 

....

 

love only yourself....and suffer

 

or

 

love few others....and suffer

 

or

 

love all

 

....

 

and be free

 

....

 

like a bird...

 

---

 

 

 

Marc

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote:

>

> Dears,

>

> Easter is over - luckily - it has been some dreadful days.

>

> I do not know if there is a mind outside memory or not but

> it is very clear today, is that mind.

>

> We use posh and complicated terms and get more and more en

> tangled, tangled up in thoughts and words and terms and so

> the essentials get lost.

>

> Let me make it as simple as can:

>

> Theres suffering. Suffering has a cause. Krishnamurti said

> the cause is conditioning and I agree. I am a " conditioned

> human being " which is the same as a robot, mechanism which

> acts according to the way it was programmed to act.

>

> I was not a clean slate when I was born. I was overpainted,

> print all over. I had inherited my predessors conditioning

> and I grew up, and still more conditioning was added to it.

>

> Mechanical actions create conflict because one does not act

> in accordance with any given present situation. One acts me

> chanically. Like a robot.

>

> Lack of correspondance between a situation and the actions

> taken in the situation leads to conflict and suffering. It

> is quite simple.

>

> Now, where did the text above arise from? What is the root

> of those words? Their platform?

>

> The platform is understanding, realisation, insight if you

> will; understanding why there is conflict and suffering is

> discovering the root, the cause of it.

>

> Action taken on basis of understanding ones pre-programming

> and that it leads to suffering to act in accordance with it

> is a quite different action than actions, taken on basis of

> programming, conditioning.

>

> A robot cannot do anything about what it is. I can't change

> my conditioning. Only understanding the problem, and acting

> from that understanding can bring about a change.

>

> This is clear as daylight.

>

> When the ego (thanks for reminding me, Werner) which is the

> conditioning, the me, the self is gone, and its wiped away,

> eradicated every time there's understanding its problematic

> situation - the doer is gone - and there is nomore conflict

> because the usual gap between doer and problem is erased by

> or qua or through or via understanding what causes the gap,

> namely conditioning.

>

> Without a doer (the robottic, mechanical conditioned being)

> the action taken in any given situation calls for action is

> in correspondance with the situation given, instead of with

> the conditioning, the programming, the ego.

>

> With the annihilation of the ego, duality is gone. There is

> just whatever the situation (not necessarily a problem) and

> acting! in correspondance with it. There's no actor present

> - no me - no ego - no I.

 

 

 

 

 

sure that's easy to say.

 

:-)

 

..b b.b.

 

 

 

 

 

> That is Krishnamurtis philosophy & non-dual philosophy in a

> nutshell together, two nuts in one shell and a third nut

> reporting it.

 

 

> Happy new years to come - and to all of you of course

>

> Love

> Lene

>