Guest guest Report post Posted April 5, 2010 Maharaj: " As long as you give reality to dreams, you are their slave. By imagining that you are born as so-and-so, you become a slave to the so-and-so. The essence of slavery is to imagine yourself to be a process, to have past and future, to have history. In fact, we have no history, we are not a process, we do not develop, nor decay; also see all as a dream and stay out of it. " -- From " I Am That " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Maharaj: " As long as you give reality to dreams, you are their slave. By imagining that you are born as so-and-so, you become a slave to the so-and-so. The essence of slavery is to imagine yourself to be a process, to have past and future, to have history. In fact, we have no history, we are not a process, we do not develop, nor decay; also see all as a dream and stay out of it. " > > -- From " I Am That " Hi Tim - Thanks for posting this statement from Nis. Yes - this moment has no history. It doesn't matter if a memory arises. The memory arising in the moment, can't touch the *is-ness* of the moment. The identity formed through history (although important for a credit-check from a bank) is fragmentation, is not actual. (Don't tell your loan officer this, though.) The moment in all its diversity of texture, is not divisible. Refers to nothing else. Since all the comments ever offered about this, including Nisargadatta's, are interpreted by " mind " (i.e., thought and memory, which your banker relies on), there can be a mistaken impression - as if his words give us something to think about, to ponder, to form an opinion about - they don't. (Yes, that's my opinion and I'm not sticking to it.) And, while one can go to a bank and apply for a loan, knowing how to offer the proper i.d. - one is not that history-formed identity. One takes care of business, and rests (the Sabbath). One renders unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God, what is God's. One knows this only as present, as such. (Solomon in all his glory was not decked out like one of these flowers of the moment.) Peace, love, out ... -- Dan -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Maharaj: " As long as you give reality to dreams, you are their slave. By imagining that you are born as so-and-so, you become a slave to the so-and-so. The essence of slavery is to imagine yourself to be a process, to have past and future, to have history. In fact, we have no history, we are not a process, we do not develop, nor decay; also see all as a dream and stay out of it. " > > -- From " I Am That " well sir... i just bet sitting around the crib thinkin' this bullshit is.. mo'fo " BIG shit " .. and proceeding forward with committment to groove on awaring.. cool like... on..even...AS....the " Flow " .. all day and night.... and all day.. woah dude! i gotta believe this way of processing your life this Groooooovy Smooooothy dreamin' aloft.. has just absolutely got to..Got to...GOT TOOOooo.... REALLY brings home the bacon. i mean this is the way to live without question! maybe even among mentally mature people. maybe your on to somethin' there timmytot. i'm proud of you boy! this waste of time and social value.. actually replaces any real volitional and supporting.. physical and mental connection... with the world of Maya..that ol' sassy Samsara. why hell you could just sit on yo' keester all the livelong day.. gather unto thee some Social Assistance.. from that " other " taxed thing out there that's not there you know those folks that's payin' the bill.. well hell man there just part of your enlightened awareness. time for a Miller High Life..BOLD. it's sweet huh? :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Maharaj: " As long as you give reality to dreams, you are their slave. By imagining that you are born as so-and-so, you become a slave to the so-and-so. The essence of slavery is to imagine yourself to be a process, to have past and future, to have history. In fact, we have no history, we are not a process, we do not develop, nor decay; also see all as a dream and stay out of it. " > > > > -- From " I Am That " > > Hi Tim - > > Thanks for posting this statement from Nis. > > Yes - this moment has no history. > > It doesn't matter if a memory arises. > > The memory arising in the moment, can't touch the *is-ness* of the moment. > > The identity formed through history (although important for a credit-check from a bank) is fragmentation, is not actual. (Don't tell your loan officer this, though.) > > The moment in all its diversity of texture, is not divisible. > > Refers to nothing else. > > Since all the comments ever offered about this, including Nisargadatta's, are interpreted by " mind " (i.e., thought and memory, which your banker relies on), there can be a mistaken impression - as if his words give us something to think about, to ponder, to form an opinion about - they don't. (Yes, that's my opinion and I'm not sticking to it.) > > And, while one can go to a bank and apply for a loan, knowing how to offer the proper i.d. - one is not that history-formed identity. > > One takes care of business, and rests (the Sabbath). One renders unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God, what is God's. > > One knows this only as present, as such. > > (Solomon in all his glory was not decked out like one of these flowers of the moment.) > > Peace, love, out ... > > > -- Dan -- yes..absolutely! without question and within the Exquisite EXISTENCE.. let me not only agree dear and faithful brother... for we are ONE in and as KNOWING/FLOWINGNESS.. so let me very humbly add onto the Divine Expression.. my even more polished and elegant post. love out and in and over and under and around and through.. doesn't this just give you the shivers Elmer? oooooooh ahhhhhhhhh.. it's so beyond! and i have personally displayed this great accomplishment.. for all to admire. JESUS! i can't hardly believe it.. i'm gettin' real good at this shit. and maybe...jest mebbe... i'm beginnin' to understand what's wrong with our boys. hey guys.. shhhhhhh.... i won't say a word. besides.. " they " are really not out there. ha ha. but sincerely.. i think it's getting to be time for you kids to grow up. sincerely..and seriously. give it a bit of time... think about it.. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Maharaj: " As long as you give reality to dreams, you are their slave. By imagining that you are born as so-and-so, you become a slave to the so-and-so. The essence of slavery is to imagine yourself to be a process, to have past and future, to have history. In fact, we have no history, we are not a process, we do not develop, nor decay; also see all as a dream and stay out of it. " > > -- From " I Am That " > everytime i read maharaj it's like me being the neo from the movie matrix listening to morpheus, " as long as you give reality to matrix, you're a slave to matrix...the essensce of matrix is to imagine yourself to be a process...to have history. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Maharaj: " As long as you give reality to dreams, you are their slave. By imagining that you are born as so-and-so, you become a slave to the so-and-so. The essence of slavery is to imagine yourself to be a process, to have past and future, to have history. In fact, we have no history, we are not a process, we do not develop, nor decay; also see all as a dream and stay out of it. " > > -- From " I Am That " yes..... don't let us be the slave of " Tim " ...or " bbb " or " Dan " or " Hur " ....etc all of a dying process... means, dying illusion/dream constantly!!! .... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
