Guest guest Report post Posted April 2, 2010 mmmmmm.. if Alice could take us through that Looking Glass.. whirling kaleidoscopic-like in regular polytopes.. to the Rules of the Game.. not the game we play.. the Game that plays " us " . We join Coxeter's Reflection Groups.. (1934 was a very good ear)... reflection spaces of any dimension. Here every element is generated by reflections. Here every reflection is it's own inverse. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\..XXXX...haha! mirror planes bisect reflection space: Distinction. mirror Planes reflect (Alice wise)..reflection. mirror planes have a root vector...eigenvalues. mirror planes generate a reflection group..closure/inverses. it's like unto: Root Lattice Application: .. roots generate a root lattice... force eigenvalues... Hyperspace crystallographic " structures " ... sphere " packings " in Hyperspace. along comes...like the White Rabbit.. Error Correction Codes. and the caterpillar asks through the blowing smoke " are you with me so far? " Good! now then.. Thorn-Arnold catastrophic structures.. (a silly but necessary thorn apple here) resolution of singularities.. caustics and wavefronts [hyperdimensional of course]: unified gauge field theories. conformal field theories. Superstring theories (10-d) and M Theory (11-d).. [very thorny stuff here].. Watch out Brere Rabbit! Gravitational instantons!!! we pour a cup of Heisenberg Algebras. but that's just the physics Ms. Queen. " The Math is though the same... also different Dear. " .. spake the Hatter {and oh what a lovely chapeau he wears!) the math..the Math..the indisputable math my Dear!! as Mr. Brown has said: " Unlike more superficial forms of expertise.. mathematics is a way of saying less and less about more and more. A Mathematical text then thus is not an end in itself.. but a key to world beyond description " . good ol' GSB. anyway and anyhow and what have you in the knick knack knowing.. here it IS: where oh where is the Observer? : in reflection space with it's eigenvalues.. in catastrophe control Space... (consisting of reflection " orbits " ) See? the mirrors have become as they have always BE.. a single separatix which controls the radical changes.. in the catastrophe fibers. oh dear oh dear we are going to be so soon so late! well here it was then and now is and will be. Maths encompass a " Somewhat " that is a transcendence.. from a clear and present presumed state of vision.. to a new and hitherto unapparent Vision beyond and before it. and so up the hole we Rise! and again fall Up on our little keesters down on the grassy knoll. was that really Grey Earl? mmmmmmmmm.. yummo! delish! mmmm...mmmm...mmm. and someone's been watching too much Rachael Ray Alice. :-) oops! the Cheshire Cat is sideways again. mayhap the Cheshire has been into the Worcestershire eh timmy? hohohoho! ..b b.b. Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > Thanks Gloria, enjoyed the tea; it tasted like a blend of > grey earl and red queen with a touch of single malt or so > da > > -Lene Nisargadatta , " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Lene > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, March 29, 2010 8:54 AM > > Re: Alice in Wonderland > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Oh, boy. I loved the book, though for some reason I haven't read " Through the Looking Glass " . Maybe this is the reason I didn't love the movie, for .bb.b. says the movie was based on both books. I thought the art was magnificent, and the acting was great, but the " holy book " that Pete spoke of disappeared into Tim Burtonland. I love the dialog in the book. And it seems to lose all power when paraphrased, as it was in the movie. Nevertheless, I will probably go again and see it in 3D...the book is certainly a journey about self-discovery, but I didn't get that from the movie, at least as clearly. > > > > > Gloria > > > > > > > > > > PS > > > > > .bb.b., I probably deserve to get flamed for this, huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely I never read the book, just watched the movie in > > > 3D at a huge cinema. Was fabulous. If for no other reason then > > > because the magnificent Depp is in it. > > > > > > The selfdiscovery? When Alice found out the dream was hers and > > > noone else's and she took the responsibility for what happened > > > - when she stopped being told and became the teller. > > > > > > This is my dream - you are but a figment of it. But - said the > > > hatter - that means that I do not really exist - Quite so. You > > > do not exist outside my dream. > > > > The truth was revealed to Alice " down under " (the subconscious), > > and she brought it with her to the " up over " (the conscious) and > > acted in accordance with the truth (this is a dream but it is my > > dream and I decide what I will do with it, I take responsibility > > for my life). > > > > Life is a dream - the subconscious and the conscious is the same > > and the message is I can't blame or thank anyone else but myself > > for how the dream unfolds. > > > > -Lene > > > > > > I felt that Alice in the book certainly went through a rite of passage, and became better able to control her dream. The reader however was gifted with a much bigger picture, and through seeing the extraordinary events alongside her rather ordinary responses, was shown the futility of even believing in (and responding to) dreams, or so I thought. I missed that in the movie--I couldn't get away from Alice's perspective and actually already don't quite remember much of it, except for the red queen, who was amazing. Johnny Depp is one of my favorites of all time, but I thought the mad hatter was a disappointment. > > > > " Jehovah! " , (for those of you with stones in each hand.) > > > > Here are a couple of passages from the book , the second one being the intro to the mad hatter. > > > > The Caterpillar and Alice looked at each other for some time in silence: at last the Caterpillar tookthe hookah out of its mouth, and addressed her in a languid, sleepy voice. > > > > 'Who are YOU?' said the Caterpillar. > > > > This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, 'I-I hardly know, sir, just at present-at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.' > > > > 'What do you mean by that?' said the Caterpillar sternly. 'Explain yourself!' > > > > 'I can't explain MYSELF, I'm afraid, sir' said Alice, 'because I'm not myself, you see.' > > > > 'I don't see,' said the Caterpillar. > > > > 'I'm afraid I can't put it more clearly,' Alice replied very politely, 'for I can't understand it myself to begin with; and being so many different sizes in a day is very confusing.' > > > > 'It isn't,' said the Caterpillar. > > > > 'Well, perhaps you haven't found it so yet,' said Alice; 'but when you have to turn into a chrysalis-you will some day, you know-and then after that into a butterfly, I should think you'll feel it a little queer, won't you?' > > > > 'Not a bit,' said the Caterpillar. > > > > 'Well, perhaps your feelings may be different,' said Alice; 'all I know is, it would feel very queer to ME.' > > > > 'You!' said the Caterpillar contemptuously. 'Who are YOU?' > > > > Which brought them back again to the beginning of the conversation. Alice felt a little irritated at the Caterpillar's making such VERY short remarks, and she drew herself up and said, very gravely, 'I think, you ought to tell me who YOU are, first.' > > > > 'Why?' said the Caterpillar. > > > > Here was another puzzling question; and as Alice could not think of any good reason, and as the Caterpillar seemed to be in a VERY unpleasant state of mind, she turned away. > > > > 'Come back!' the Caterpillar called after her. 'I've something important to say!' > > > > This sounded promising, certainly: Alice turned and came back again. > > > > 'Keep your temper,' said the Caterpillar. > > > > .......................... > > > > There was a table set out under a tree in front of the house, and the March Hare and the Hatter were having tea at it: a Dormouse was sitting between them, fast asleep, and the other two were using it as a cushion, resting their elbows on it, and talking over its head. 'Very uncomfortable for the Dormouse,' thought Alice; 'only, as it's asleep, I suppose it doesn't mind.' > > > > The table was a large one, but the three were all crowded together at one corner of it: 'No room! No room!' they cried out when they saw Alice coming. 'There's PLENTY of room!' said Alice indignantly, and she sat down in a large arm-chair at one end of the table. > > > > 'Have some wine,' the March Hare said in an encouraging tone. > > > > Alice looked all round the table, but there was nothing on it but tea. 'I don't see any wine,' she remarked. > > > > 'There isn't any,' said the March Hare. > > > > 'Then it wasn't very civil of you to offer it,' said Alice angrily. > > > > 'It wasn't very civil of you to sit down without being invited,' said the March Hare. > > > > 'I didn't know it was YOUR table,' said Alice; 'it's laid for a great many more than three.' > > > > 'Your hair wants cutting,' said the Hatter. He had been looking at Alice for some time with great curiosity, and this was his first speech. > > > > 'You should learn not to make personal remarks,' Alice said with some severity; 'it's very rude.' > > > > The Hatter opened his eyes very wide on hearing this; but all he SAID was, 'Why is a raven like a writing-desk?' > > > > 'Come, we shall have some fun now!' thought Alice. 'I'm glad they've begun asking riddles.-I believe I can guess that,' she added aloud. > > > > 'Do you mean that you think you can find out the answer to it?' said the March Hare. > > > > 'Exactly so,' said Alice. > > > > 'Then you should say what you mean,' the March Hare went on. > > > > 'I do,' Alice hastily replied; 'at least-at least I mean what I say-that's the same thing, you know.' > > > > 'Not the same thing a bit!' said the Hatter. 'You might just as well say that " I see what I eat " is the same thing as " I eat what I see " !' > > > > 'You might just as well say,' added the March Hare, 'that " I like what I get " is the same thing as " I get what I like " !' > > > > 'You might just as well say,' added the Dormouse, who seemed to be talking in his sleep, 'that " I breathe when I sleep " is the same thing as " I sleep when I breathe " !' > > > > 'It IS the same thing with you,' said the Hatter, and here the conversation dropped, and the party sat silent for a minute, while Alice thought over all she could remember about ravens and writing-desks, which wasn't much. > > > > The Hatter was the first to break the silence. 'What day of the month is it?' he said, turning to Alice: he had taken his watch out of his pocket, and was looking at it uneasily, shaking it every now and then, and holding it to his ear. > > > > Alice considered a little, and then said 'The fourth.' > > > > 'Two days wrong!' sighed the Hatter. 'I told you butter wouldn't suit the works!' he added looking angrily at the March Hare... > > > > 'Take some more tea,' the March Hare said to Alice, very earnestly. > > > > 'I've had nothing yet,' Alice replied in an offended tone, 'so I can't take more.' > > > > 'You mean you can't take LESS,' said the Hatter: 'it's very easy to take MORE than nothing.' > > > > 'Nobody asked YOUR opinion,' said Alice. > > > > 'Who's making personal remarks now?' the Hatter asked triumphantly. > > > > > > http://www.gutenberg.org11/11-h/11-h.htm > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 2, 2010 AlThough the name ain't timmy all I can say is ho! What a speech. What a speech. What a speech. Made sense in its own confutsian way. -Lene Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > > mmmmmm.. > > if Alice could take us through that Looking Glass.. > > whirling kaleidoscopic-like in regular polytopes.. > > to the Rules of the Game.. > > not the game we play.. > > the Game that plays " us " . > > We join Coxeter's Reflection Groups.. > > (1934 was a very good ear)... > > reflection spaces of any dimension. > > Here every element is generated by reflections. > > Here every reflection is it's own inverse. > > \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\..XXXX...haha! > > mirror planes bisect reflection space: Distinction. > > mirror Planes reflect (Alice wise)..reflection. > > mirror planes have a root vector...eigenvalues. > > mirror planes generate a reflection group..closure/inverses. > > it's like unto: > > Root Lattice Application: > > . roots generate a root lattice... > > force eigenvalues... > > Hyperspace crystallographic " structures " ... > > sphere " packings " in Hyperspace. > > along comes...like the White Rabbit.. > > Error Correction Codes. > > and the caterpillar asks through the blowing smoke > > " are you with me so far? " > > Good! > > now then.. > > Thorn-Arnold catastrophic structures.. > > (a silly but necessary thorn apple here) > > resolution of singularities.. > > caustics and wavefronts [hyperdimensional of course]: > > unified gauge field theories. > > conformal field theories. > > Superstring theories (10-d) and M Theory (11-d).. > > [very thorny stuff here].. > > Watch out Brere Rabbit! > > Gravitational instantons!!! > > we pour a cup of Heisenberg Algebras. > > but that's just the physics Ms. Queen. > > " The Math is though the same... also different Dear. " .. > > spake the Hatter {and oh what a lovely chapeau he wears!) > > the math..the Math..the indisputable math my Dear!! > > as Mr. Brown has said: > > " Unlike more superficial forms of expertise.. > > mathematics is a way of saying less and less about more and more. > > A Mathematical text then thus is not an end in itself.. > > but a key to world beyond description " . > > good ol' GSB. > > anyway and anyhow and what have you in the knick knack knowing.. > > here it IS: > > where oh where is the Observer? > > : > > in reflection space with it's eigenvalues.. > > in catastrophe control Space... > > (consisting of reflection " orbits " ) > > See? > > the mirrors have become as they have always BE.. > > a single separatix which controls the radical changes.. > > in the catastrophe fibers. > > oh dear oh dear we are going to be so soon so late! > > well here it was then and now is and will be. > > Maths encompass a " Somewhat " that is a transcendence.. > > from a clear and present presumed state of vision.. > > to a new and hitherto unapparent Vision beyond and before it. > > and so up the hole we Rise! > > and again fall Up on our little keesters down on the grassy knoll. > > was that really Grey Earl? > > mmmmmmmmm.. > > yummo! > > delish! > > mmmm...mmmm...mmm. > > and someone's been watching too much Rachael Ray Alice. > > :-) > > oops! > > the Cheshire Cat is sideways again. > > mayhap the Cheshire has been into the Worcestershire eh timmy? > > hohohoho! > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > Thanks Gloria, enjoyed the tea; it tasted like a blend of > > grey earl and red queen with a touch of single malt or so > > da > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Lene > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, March 29, 2010 8:54 AM > > > Re: Alice in Wonderland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, boy. I loved the book, though for some reason I haven't read " Through the Looking Glass " . Maybe this is the reason I didn't love the movie, for .bb.b. says the movie was based on both books. I thought the art was magnificent, and the acting was great, but the " holy book " that Pete spoke of disappeared into Tim Burtonland. I love the dialog in the book. And it seems to lose all power when paraphrased, as it was in the movie. Nevertheless, I will probably go again and see it in 3D...the book is certainly a journey about self-discovery, but I didn't get that from the movie, at least as clearly. > > > > > > Gloria > > > > > > > > > > > > PS > > > > > > .bb.b., I probably deserve to get flamed for this, huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely I never read the book, just watched the movie in > > > > 3D at a huge cinema. Was fabulous. If for no other reason then > > > > because the magnificent Depp is in it. > > > > > > > > The selfdiscovery? When Alice found out the dream was hers and > > > > noone else's and she took the responsibility for what happened > > > > - when she stopped being told and became the teller. > > > > > > > > This is my dream - you are but a figment of it. But - said the > > > > hatter - that means that I do not really exist - Quite so. You > > > > do not exist outside my dream. > > > > > > The truth was revealed to Alice " down under " (the subconscious), > > > and she brought it with her to the " up over " (the conscious) and > > > acted in accordance with the truth (this is a dream but it is my > > > dream and I decide what I will do with it, I take responsibility > > > for my life). > > > > > > Life is a dream - the subconscious and the conscious is the same > > > and the message is I can't blame or thank anyone else but myself > > > for how the dream unfolds. > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > I felt that Alice in the book certainly went through a rite of passage, and became better able to control her dream. The reader however was gifted with a much bigger picture, and through seeing the extraordinary events alongside her rather ordinary responses, was shown the futility of even believing in (and responding to) dreams, or so I thought. I missed that in the movie--I couldn't get away from Alice's perspective and actually already don't quite remember much of it, except for the red queen, who was amazing. Johnny Depp is one of my favorites of all time, but I thought the mad hatter was a disappointment. > > > > > > " Jehovah! " , (for those of you with stones in each hand.) > > > > > > Here are a couple of passages from the book , the second one being the intro to the mad hatter. > > > > > > The Caterpillar and Alice looked at each other for some time in silence: at last the Caterpillar tookthe hookah out of its mouth, and addressed her in a languid, sleepy voice. > > > > > > 'Who are YOU?' said the Caterpillar. > > > > > > This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, 'I-I hardly know, sir, just at present-at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.' > > > > > > 'What do you mean by that?' said the Caterpillar sternly. 'Explain yourself!' > > > > > > 'I can't explain MYSELF, I'm afraid, sir' said Alice, 'because I'm not myself, you see.' > > > > > > 'I don't see,' said the Caterpillar. > > > > > > 'I'm afraid I can't put it more clearly,' Alice replied very politely, 'for I can't understand it myself to begin with; and being so many different sizes in a day is very confusing.' > > > > > > 'It isn't,' said the Caterpillar. > > > > > > 'Well, perhaps you haven't found it so yet,' said Alice; 'but when you have to turn into a chrysalis-you will some day, you know-and then after that into a butterfly, I should think you'll feel it a little queer, won't you?' > > > > > > 'Not a bit,' said the Caterpillar. > > > > > > 'Well, perhaps your feelings may be different,' said Alice; 'all I know is, it would feel very queer to ME.' > > > > > > 'You!' said the Caterpillar contemptuously. 'Who are YOU?' > > > > > > Which brought them back again to the beginning of the conversation. Alice felt a little irritated at the Caterpillar's making such VERY short remarks, and she drew herself up and said, very gravely, 'I think, you ought to tell me who YOU are, first.' > > > > > > 'Why?' said the Caterpillar. > > > > > > Here was another puzzling question; and as Alice could not think of any good reason, and as the Caterpillar seemed to be in a VERY unpleasant state of mind, she turned away. > > > > > > 'Come back!' the Caterpillar called after her. 'I've something important to say!' > > > > > > This sounded promising, certainly: Alice turned and came back again. > > > > > > 'Keep your temper,' said the Caterpillar. > > > > > > .......................... > > > > > > There was a table set out under a tree in front of the house, and the March Hare and the Hatter were having tea at it: a Dormouse was sitting between them, fast asleep, and the other two were using it as a cushion, resting their elbows on it, and talking over its head. 'Very uncomfortable for the Dormouse,' thought Alice; 'only, as it's asleep, I suppose it doesn't mind.' > > > > > > The table was a large one, but the three were all crowded together at one corner of it: 'No room! No room!' they cried out when they saw Alice coming. 'There's PLENTY of room!' said Alice indignantly, and she sat down in a large arm-chair at one end of the table. > > > > > > 'Have some wine,' the March Hare said in an encouraging tone. > > > > > > Alice looked all round the table, but there was nothing on it but tea. 'I don't see any wine,' she remarked. > > > > > > 'There isn't any,' said the March Hare. > > > > > > 'Then it wasn't very civil of you to offer it,' said Alice angrily. > > > > > > 'It wasn't very civil of you to sit down without being invited,' said the March Hare. > > > > > > 'I didn't know it was YOUR table,' said Alice; 'it's laid for a great many more than three.' > > > > > > 'Your hair wants cutting,' said the Hatter. He had been looking at Alice for some time with great curiosity, and this was his first speech. > > > > > > 'You should learn not to make personal remarks,' Alice said with some severity; 'it's very rude.' > > > > > > The Hatter opened his eyes very wide on hearing this; but all he SAID was, 'Why is a raven like a writing-desk?' > > > > > > 'Come, we shall have some fun now!' thought Alice. 'I'm glad they've begun asking riddles.-I believe I can guess that,' she added aloud. > > > > > > 'Do you mean that you think you can find out the answer to it?' said the March Hare. > > > > > > 'Exactly so,' said Alice. > > > > > > 'Then you should say what you mean,' the March Hare went on. > > > > > > 'I do,' Alice hastily replied; 'at least-at least I mean what I say-that's the same thing, you know.' > > > > > > 'Not the same thing a bit!' said the Hatter. 'You might just as well say that " I see what I eat " is the same thing as " I eat what I see " !' > > > > > > 'You might just as well say,' added the March Hare, 'that " I like what I get " is the same thing as " I get what I like " !' > > > > > > 'You might just as well say,' added the Dormouse, who seemed to be talking in his sleep, 'that " I breathe when I sleep " is the same thing as " I sleep when I breathe " !' > > > > > > 'It IS the same thing with you,' said the Hatter, and here the conversation dropped, and the party sat silent for a minute, while Alice thought over all she could remember about ravens and writing-desks, which wasn't much. > > > > > > The Hatter was the first to break the silence. 'What day of the month is it?' he said, turning to Alice: he had taken his watch out of his pocket, and was looking at it uneasily, shaking it every now and then, and holding it to his ear. > > > > > > Alice considered a little, and then said 'The fourth.' > > > > > > 'Two days wrong!' sighed the Hatter. 'I told you butter wouldn't suit the works!' he added looking angrily at the March Hare... > > > > > > 'Take some more tea,' the March Hare said to Alice, very earnestly. > > > > > > 'I've had nothing yet,' Alice replied in an offended tone, 'so I can't take more.' > > > > > > 'You mean you can't take LESS,' said the Hatter: 'it's very easy to take MORE than nothing.' > > > > > > 'Nobody asked YOUR opinion,' said Alice. > > > > > > 'Who's making personal remarks now?' the Hatter asked triumphantly. > > > > > > > > > http://www.gutenberg.org11/11-h/11-h.htm > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 2, 2010 made sense! oh dear! that was the last of my designs. :-) the timmytot mention was an aside. (he doesn't drink tea so he's unallowed at our untea party). his tea is of a different sort (hiccup!) LOL! ..b b.b Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > AlThough the name ain't timmy all I can say is ho! > What a speech. What a speech. What a speech. > Made sense in its own confutsian way. > > -Lene > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > mmmmmm.. > > > > if Alice could take us through that Looking Glass.. > > > > whirling kaleidoscopic-like in regular polytopes.. > > > > to the Rules of the Game.. > > > > not the game we play.. > > > > the Game that plays " us " . > > > > We join Coxeter's Reflection Groups.. > > > > (1934 was a very good ear)... > > > > reflection spaces of any dimension. > > > > Here every element is generated by reflections. > > > > Here every reflection is it's own inverse. > > > > \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\..XXXX...haha! > > > > mirror planes bisect reflection space: Distinction. > > > > mirror Planes reflect (Alice wise)..reflection. > > > > mirror planes have a root vector...eigenvalues. > > > > mirror planes generate a reflection group..closure/inverses. > > > > it's like unto: > > > > Root Lattice Application: > > > > . roots generate a root lattice... > > > > force eigenvalues... > > > > Hyperspace crystallographic " structures " ... > > > > sphere " packings " in Hyperspace. > > > > along comes...like the White Rabbit.. > > > > Error Correction Codes. > > > > and the caterpillar asks through the blowing smoke > > > > " are you with me so far? " > > > > Good! > > > > now then.. > > > > Thorn-Arnold catastrophic structures.. > > > > (a silly but necessary thorn apple here) > > > > resolution of singularities.. > > > > caustics and wavefronts [hyperdimensional of course]: > > > > unified gauge field theories. > > > > conformal field theories. > > > > Superstring theories (10-d) and M Theory (11-d).. > > > > [very thorny stuff here].. > > > > Watch out Brere Rabbit! > > > > Gravitational instantons!!! > > > > we pour a cup of Heisenberg Algebras. > > > > but that's just the physics Ms. Queen. > > > > " The Math is though the same... also different Dear. " .. > > > > spake the Hatter {and oh what a lovely chapeau he wears!) > > > > the math..the Math..the indisputable math my Dear!! > > > > as Mr. Brown has said: > > > > " Unlike more superficial forms of expertise.. > > > > mathematics is a way of saying less and less about more and more. > > > > A Mathematical text then thus is not an end in itself.. > > > > but a key to world beyond description " . > > > > good ol' GSB. > > > > anyway and anyhow and what have you in the knick knack knowing.. > > > > here it IS: > > > > where oh where is the Observer? > > > > : > > > > in reflection space with it's eigenvalues.. > > > > in catastrophe control Space... > > > > (consisting of reflection " orbits " ) > > > > See? > > > > the mirrors have become as they have always BE.. > > > > a single separatix which controls the radical changes.. > > > > in the catastrophe fibers. > > > > oh dear oh dear we are going to be so soon so late! > > > > well here it was then and now is and will be. > > > > Maths encompass a " Somewhat " that is a transcendence.. > > > > from a clear and present presumed state of vision.. > > > > to a new and hitherto unapparent Vision beyond and before it. > > > > and so up the hole we Rise! > > > > and again fall Up on our little keesters down on the grassy knoll. > > > > was that really Grey Earl? > > > > mmmmmmmmm.. > > > > yummo! > > > > delish! > > > > mmmm...mmmm...mmm. > > > > and someone's been watching too much Rachael Ray Alice. > > > > :-) > > > > oops! > > > > the Cheshire Cat is sideways again. > > > > mayhap the Cheshire has been into the Worcestershire eh timmy? > > > > hohohoho! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Gloria, enjoyed the tea; it tasted like a blend of > > > grey earl and red queen with a touch of single malt or so > > > da > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Lene > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, March 29, 2010 8:54 AM > > > > Re: Alice in Wonderland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, boy. I loved the book, though for some reason I haven't read " Through the Looking Glass " . Maybe this is the reason I didn't love the movie, for .bb.b. says the movie was based on both books. I thought the art was magnificent, and the acting was great, but the " holy book " that Pete spoke of disappeared into Tim Burtonland. I love the dialog in the book. And it seems to lose all power when paraphrased, as it was in the movie. Nevertheless, I will probably go again and see it in 3D...the book is certainly a journey about self-discovery, but I didn't get that from the movie, at least as clearly. > > > > > > > Gloria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS > > > > > > > .bb.b., I probably deserve to get flamed for this, huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely I never read the book, just watched the movie in > > > > > 3D at a huge cinema. Was fabulous. If for no other reason then > > > > > because the magnificent Depp is in it. > > > > > > > > > > The selfdiscovery? When Alice found out the dream was hers and > > > > > noone else's and she took the responsibility for what happened > > > > > - when she stopped being told and became the teller. > > > > > > > > > > This is my dream - you are but a figment of it. But - said the > > > > > hatter - that means that I do not really exist - Quite so. You > > > > > do not exist outside my dream. > > > > > > > > The truth was revealed to Alice " down under " (the subconscious), > > > > and she brought it with her to the " up over " (the conscious) and > > > > acted in accordance with the truth (this is a dream but it is my > > > > dream and I decide what I will do with it, I take responsibility > > > > for my life). > > > > > > > > Life is a dream - the subconscious and the conscious is the same > > > > and the message is I can't blame or thank anyone else but myself > > > > for how the dream unfolds. > > > > > > > > -Lene > > > > > > > > > > > > I felt that Alice in the book certainly went through a rite of passage, and became better able to control her dream. The reader however was gifted with a much bigger picture, and through seeing the extraordinary events alongside her rather ordinary responses, was shown the futility of even believing in (and responding to) dreams, or so I thought. I missed that in the movie--I couldn't get away from Alice's perspective and actually already don't quite remember much of it, except for the red queen, who was amazing. Johnny Depp is one of my favorites of all time, but I thought the mad hatter was a disappointment. > > > > > > > > " Jehovah! " , (for those of you with stones in each hand.) > > > > > > > > Here are a couple of passages from the book , the second one being the intro to the mad hatter. > > > > > > > > The Caterpillar and Alice looked at each other for some time in silence: at last the Caterpillar tookthe hookah out of its mouth, and addressed her in a languid, sleepy voice. > > > > > > > > 'Who are YOU?' said the Caterpillar. > > > > > > > > This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, 'I-I hardly know, sir, just at present-at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.' > > > > > > > > 'What do you mean by that?' said the Caterpillar sternly. 'Explain yourself!' > > > > > > > > 'I can't explain MYSELF, I'm afraid, sir' said Alice, 'because I'm not myself, you see.' > > > > > > > > 'I don't see,' said the Caterpillar. > > > > > > > > 'I'm afraid I can't put it more clearly,' Alice replied very politely, 'for I can't understand it myself to begin with; and being so many different sizes in a day is very confusing.' > > > > > > > > 'It isn't,' said the Caterpillar. > > > > > > > > 'Well, perhaps you haven't found it so yet,' said Alice; 'but when you have to turn into a chrysalis-you will some day, you know-and then after that into a butterfly, I should think you'll feel it a little queer, won't you?' > > > > > > > > 'Not a bit,' said the Caterpillar. > > > > > > > > 'Well, perhaps your feelings may be different,' said Alice; 'all I know is, it would feel very queer to ME.' > > > > > > > > 'You!' said the Caterpillar contemptuously. 'Who are YOU?' > > > > > > > > Which brought them back again to the beginning of the conversation. Alice felt a little irritated at the Caterpillar's making such VERY short remarks, and she drew herself up and said, very gravely, 'I think, you ought to tell me who YOU are, first.' > > > > > > > > 'Why?' said the Caterpillar. > > > > > > > > Here was another puzzling question; and as Alice could not think of any good reason, and as the Caterpillar seemed to be in a VERY unpleasant state of mind, she turned away. > > > > > > > > 'Come back!' the Caterpillar called after her. 'I've something important to say!' > > > > > > > > This sounded promising, certainly: Alice turned and came back again. > > > > > > > > 'Keep your temper,' said the Caterpillar. > > > > > > > > .......................... > > > > > > > > There was a table set out under a tree in front of the house, and the March Hare and the Hatter were having tea at it: a Dormouse was sitting between them, fast asleep, and the other two were using it as a cushion, resting their elbows on it, and talking over its head. 'Very uncomfortable for the Dormouse,' thought Alice; 'only, as it's asleep, I suppose it doesn't mind.' > > > > > > > > The table was a large one, but the three were all crowded together at one corner of it: 'No room! No room!' they cried out when they saw Alice coming. 'There's PLENTY of room!' said Alice indignantly, and she sat down in a large arm-chair at one end of the table. > > > > > > > > 'Have some wine,' the March Hare said in an encouraging tone. > > > > > > > > Alice looked all round the table, but there was nothing on it but tea. 'I don't see any wine,' she remarked. > > > > > > > > 'There isn't any,' said the March Hare. > > > > > > > > 'Then it wasn't very civil of you to offer it,' said Alice angrily. > > > > > > > > 'It wasn't very civil of you to sit down without being invited,' said the March Hare. > > > > > > > > 'I didn't know it was YOUR table,' said Alice; 'it's laid for a great many more than three.' > > > > > > > > 'Your hair wants cutting,' said the Hatter. He had been looking at Alice for some time with great curiosity, and this was his first speech. > > > > > > > > 'You should learn not to make personal remarks,' Alice said with some severity; 'it's very rude.' > > > > > > > > The Hatter opened his eyes very wide on hearing this; but all he SAID was, 'Why is a raven like a writing-desk?' > > > > > > > > 'Come, we shall have some fun now!' thought Alice. 'I'm glad they've begun asking riddles.-I believe I can guess that,' she added aloud. > > > > > > > > 'Do you mean that you think you can find out the answer to it?' said the March Hare. > > > > > > > > 'Exactly so,' said Alice. > > > > > > > > 'Then you should say what you mean,' the March Hare went on. > > > > > > > > 'I do,' Alice hastily replied; 'at least-at least I mean what I say-that's the same thing, you know.' > > > > > > > > 'Not the same thing a bit!' said the Hatter. 'You might just as well say that " I see what I eat " is the same thing as " I eat what I see " !' > > > > > > > > 'You might just as well say,' added the March Hare, 'that " I like what I get " is the same thing as " I get what I like " !' > > > > > > > > 'You might just as well say,' added the Dormouse, who seemed to be talking in his sleep, 'that " I breathe when I sleep " is the same thing as " I sleep when I breathe " !' > > > > > > > > 'It IS the same thing with you,' said the Hatter, and here the conversation dropped, and the party sat silent for a minute, while Alice thought over all she could remember about ravens and writing-desks, which wasn't much. > > > > > > > > The Hatter was the first to break the silence. 'What day of the month is it?' he said, turning to Alice: he had taken his watch out of his pocket, and was looking at it uneasily, shaking it every now and then, and holding it to his ear. > > > > > > > > Alice considered a little, and then said 'The fourth.' > > > > > > > > 'Two days wrong!' sighed the Hatter. 'I told you butter wouldn't suit the works!' he added looking angrily at the March Hare... > > > > > > > > 'Take some more tea,' the March Hare said to Alice, very earnestly. > > > > > > > > 'I've had nothing yet,' Alice replied in an offended tone, 'so I can't take more.' > > > > > > > > 'You mean you can't take LESS,' said the Hatter: 'it's very easy to take MORE than nothing.' > > > > > > > > 'Nobody asked YOUR opinion,' said Alice. > > > > > > > > 'Who's making personal remarks now?' the Hatter asked triumphantly. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.gutenberg.org11/11-h/11-h.htm > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
