Guest guest Report post Posted March 24, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Hur Guler > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:48 PM > > Re: where the " i thought " rises > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Hur Guler > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, March 20, 2010 12:12 PM > > > Re: where the " i thought " rises > > > > > > > > > to be frank with you, i don't understand most of what people write on the nonduality groups. it seems everyone is trying to talk about their experience and using " vedanta " or neo-advaita terminology. there's something that makes us speechless and then we fail to describe it in common terms that we can all agree on. > > > > > > > > > > > > there's something that makes us speechless and then we fail to describe it in common terms that we can all agree on. > > > > > > " Something that makes us speechless " -it doesn't need any more work than that, really. There is something very satisfying about this little gem. Thanks. > > > > > > gloria > > > > > thank you but i didn't mean to say " something that makes us speechless " as some sort of eternal being recognizing itself in awe...and give the carrot of eternity to the poor little old me who is always looking for an eternity exit out of the matrix. > > > > > > You are welcome, but why this earnest and persistant notion that anyone is looking for eternity? Or persistence of being beyond whatever is? Or even seeking at all? Not everyone is. My dog, for one, who is speechless . > > > > as human civilazations got more advanced the divine super-ego is becoming more subtle in our language. it went from clear and present idols to monotheistic formless god who was no where to be found and hindus went further and invented brahman. non-theist buddhists who had " atman " and " brahman " taken away from them ended up worshipping the " emptiness. " neo-advaitans at their highly intellectual path present notions of " awareness " and the " absolute " as their metaphysical divine. as our magical imaginary world is cornered with science we are learning to hide the divine super-ego figure even at a more subtle way in our clever language. in my opion humans don't always have the interest in knowing the truth for the sake of truth but it's alwasy what's in it for them...how it can benefit their fears and desires. > Wow, Hur, great post. Thanks, Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 24, 2010 Nisargadatta, " Hur Guler " <hurg wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta, " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson@ > wrote: > > > > > > - > > Hur Guler > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:48 PM > > Re: where the " i thought " rises > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Hur Guler > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, March 20, 2010 12:12 PM > > > Re: where the " i thought " rises > > > > > > > > > to be frank with you, i don't understand most of what people write on the nonduality groups. it seems everyone is trying to talk about their experience and using " vedanta " or neo-advaita terminology. there's something that makes us speechless and then we fail to describe it in common terms that we can all agree on. > > > > > > > > > > > > there's something that makes us speechless and then we fail to describe it in common terms that we can all agree on. > > > > > > " Something that makes us speechless " - it doesn't need any more work than that, really. There is something very satisfying about this little gem. Thanks. > > > > > > gloria > > > > > thank you but i didn't mean to say " something that makes us speechless " as some sort of eternal being recognizing itself in awe...and give the carrot of eternity to the poor little old me who is always looking for an eternity exit out of the matrix. > > > > > > You are welcome, but why this earnest and persistant notion that anyone is looking for eternity? Or persistence of being beyond whatever is? Or even seeking at all? Not everyone is. My dog, for one, who is speechless . > > > > as human civilazations got more advanced the divine super-ego is becoming more subtle in our language. it went from clear and present idols to monotheistic formless god who was no where to be found and hindus went further and invented brahman. non-theist buddhists who had " atman " and " brahman " taken away from them ended up worshipping the " emptiness. " neo-advaitans at their highly intellectual path present notions of " awareness " and the " absolute " as their metaphysical divine. as our magical imaginary world is cornered with science we are learning to hide the divine super-ego figure even at a more subtle way in our clever language. in my opion humans don't always have the interest in knowing the truth for the sake of truth but it's alwasy what's in it for them...how it can benefit their fears and desires. > Wow, Hur, great post. Thanks, Werner wow, yes didn't know that " neo advaitins " highly ego minded (-dual) path could also be seen as " highly intellectual " path... wow...yes....great fantastic... wonderful!! grandios!!! and then also the fact that they are abble to invent an " invented Brahman " ...... wow... superbe!! fabuleux!! et/or merveilleux!! Marc Ps: bon appetit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 24, 2010 Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta, " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Hur Guler > > > Nisargadatta > > > Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:48 PM > > > Re: where the " i thought " rises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " Gloria Wilson " <gloriawilson@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Hur Guler > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, March 20, 2010 12:12 PM > > > > Re: where the " i thought " rises > > > > > > > > > > > > to be frank with you, i don't understand most of what people write on the nonduality groups. it seems everyone is trying to talk about their experience and using " vedanta " or neo-advaita terminology. there's something that makes us speechless and then we fail to describe it in common terms that we can all agree on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's something that makes us speechless and then we fail to describe it in common terms that we can all agree on. > > > > > > > > " Something that makes us speechless " - it doesn't need any more work than that, really. There is something very satisfying about this little gem. Thanks. > > > > > > > > gloria > > > > > > > thank you but i didn't mean to say " something that makes us speechless " as some sort of eternal being recognizing itself in awe...and give the carrot of eternity to the poor little old me who is always looking for an eternity exit out of the matrix. > > > > > > > > > You are welcome, but why this earnest and persistant notion that anyone is looking for eternity? Or persistence of being beyond whatever is? Or even seeking at all? Not everyone is. My dog, for one, who is speechless . > > > > > > > as human civilazations got more advanced the divine super-ego is becoming more subtle in our language. it went from clear and present idols to monotheistic formless god who was no where to be found and hindus went further and invented brahman. non-theist buddhists who had " atman " and " brahman " taken away from them ended up worshipping the " emptiness. " neo-advaitans at their highly intellectual path present notions of " awareness " and the " absolute " as their metaphysical divine. as our magical imaginary world is cornered with science we are learning to hide the divine super-ego figure even at a more subtle way in our clever language. in my opion humans don't always have the interest in knowing the truth for the sake of truth but it's alwasy what's in it for them...how it can benefit their fears and desires. > > > > Wow, Hur, great post. > > Thanks, > > Werner > > > > wow, yes > > didn't know that " neo advaitins " highly ego minded (-dual) path could also be seen as " highly intellectual " path... > > wow...yes....great > > fantastic... > > wonderful!! > > grandios!!! > > and then also the fact that they are abble to invent an " invented Brahman " ...... > > wow... > > superbe!! > > fabuleux!! > > et/or > > merveilleux!! > > > > > > > Marc > > > Ps: bon appetit! yes, it's amazing. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 26, 2010 - Hur Guler Nisargadatta Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:43 PM Re: where the "i thought" rises Nisargadatta , "Gloria Wilson" <gloriawilson wrote:>> > - > Hur Guler > Nisargadatta > Sunday, March 21, 2010 3:48 PM> Re: where the "i thought" rises> > > > > > Nisargadatta , "Gloria Wilson" <gloriawilson@> wrote:> >> > > > - > > Hur Guler > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, March 20, 2010 12:12 PM> > Re: where the "i thought" rises > > > > > > to be frank with you, i don't understand most of what people write on the nonduality groups. it seems everyone is trying to talk about their experience and using "vedanta" or neo-advaita terminology. there's something that makes us speechless and then we fail to describe it in common terms that we can all agree on. > > > > > > > > there's something that makes us speechless and then we fail to describe it in common terms that we can all agree on. > > > > "Something that makes us speechless"-it doesn't need any more work than that, really. There is something very satisfying about this little gem. Thanks.> > > > gloria> >> thank you but i didn't mean to say "something that makes us speechless" as some sort of eternal being recognizing itself in awe...and give the carrot of eternity to the poor little old me who is always looking for an eternity exit out of the matrix. > > > You are welcome, but why this earnest and persistant notion that anyone is looking for eternity? Or persistence of being beyond whatever is? Or even seeking at all? Not everyone is. My dog, for one, who is speechless .>as human civilazations got more advanced the divine super-ego is becoming more subtle in our language. it went from clear and present idols to monotheistic formless god who was no where to be found and hindus went further and invented brahman. non-theist buddhists who had "atman" and "brahman" taken away from them ended up worshipping the "emptiness." neo-advaitans at their highly intellectual path present notions of "awareness" and the "absolute" as their metaphysical divine. as our magical imaginary world is cornered with science we are learning to hide the divine super-ego figure even at a more subtle way in our clever language. in my opion humans don't always have the interest in knowing the truth for the sake of truth but it's alwasy what's in it for them...how it can benefit their fears and desires. Seeking the truth is always for one's own benefit, I think. Thinking itself is for one's own benefit. Noticing the truth seems a different proposition, and thinking doesn't seem to have anything to do with this. I have never seen this illustrated more clearly than in this thread. People are clinging to arguments that bring them nothing, prompted by patterns of behavior identical to a band of teenage chimpanzees, but without the clarity of purpose. It doesn't seem to me that anyone is hiding anything with clever language, that is for sure...or if they are, it is really heaving slogging to find whatever they are hiding. Oh well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 27, 2010 L: > Dear Gloria, > > Thank you very much for your response. I only just read it G: > Thanks for yours, as well, Lene. I certainly find nothing to disagree with in it. > > Funny, this whole list reminds me of the experience I had at the grand canyon a few years ago. The canyon itself struck me the way it stikes many--completely stopped my world for a moment. One big indrawn breath, then my companions and I began to share our perceptions of rock and river and goats, and it became illusion as well. Nothing wrong with that, but no amount of describing that illusion also described the clarity of my first and lasting impression of indrawn breath and silence and saturation, which I have come to call Awareness. > There is nothing that rests outside awareness, including the infinite regressions into the illusion that we are describing it. It feels best to leave it at that, for me, because I am at a disavantage when it comes to clarity or propriety. I just see a big damn elephant resting in Awareness > > love, > gloria " And she took the words right out of my mouth " . Happy to have met you, Gloria Are you aquainted with the great krishnamurti? Just joking and a way to say I am not talking of UG. Krishnamurti, only of the Jediknight, Jiddu. Love Lene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 27, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe wrote: > > L: > > Dear Gloria, > > > > Thank you very much for your response. I only just read it > > G: > > Thanks for yours, as well, Lene. I certainly find nothing to disagree with in it. > > > > Funny, this whole list reminds me of the experience I had at the grand canyon a few years ago. The canyon itself struck me the way it stikes many--completely stopped my world for a moment. One big indrawn breath, then my companions and I began to share our perceptions of rock and river and goats, and it became illusion as well. Nothing wrong with that, but no amount of describing that illusion also described the clarity of my first and lasting impression of indrawn breath and silence and saturation, which I have come to call Awareness. > > There is nothing that rests outside awareness, including the infinite regressions into the illusion that we are describing it. It feels best to leave it at that, for me, because I am at a disavantage when it comes to clarity or propriety. I just see a big damn elephant resting in Awareness > > > > love, > > gloria > > > > > " And she took the words right out of my mouth " . > > Happy to have met you, Gloria > > Are you aquainted with the great krishnamurti? > > Just joking and a way to say I am not talking of > UG. Krishnamurti, only of the Jediknight, Jiddu. > > Love > Lene no one was ever aquainted with u.g. even u.g. wasn't aquainted with u.g. no big catastrophe. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 27, 2010 - BobN Nisargadatta Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:23 AM Re: where the "i thought" rises Nisargadatta , "Lene" <lschwabe wrote:>> L:> > Dear Gloria,> > > > Thank you very much for your response. I only just read it > > G: > > Thanks for yours, as well, Lene. I certainly find nothing to disagree with in it.> > > > Funny, this whole list reminds me of the experience I had at the grand canyon a few years ago. The canyon itself struck me the way it stikes many--completely stopped my world for a moment. One big indrawn breath, then my companions and I began to share our perceptions of rock and river and goats, and it became illusion as well. Nothing wrong with that, but no amount of describing that illusion also described the clarity of my first and lasting impression of indrawn breath and silence and saturation, which I have come to call Awareness.> > There is nothing that rests outside awareness, including the infinite regressions into the illusion that we are describing it. It feels best to leave it at that, for me, because I am at a disavantage when it comes to clarity or propriety. I just see a big damn elephant resting in Awareness > > > > love,> > gloria> > > > > "And she took the words right out of my mouth".> > Happy to have met you, Gloria > > Are you aquainted with the great krishnamurti?> > Just joking and a way to say I am not talking of> UG. Krishnamurti, only of the Jediknight, Jiddu.> > Love> Leneno one was ever aquainted with u.g.even u.g. wasn't aquainted with u.g.no big catastrophe..b b.b. Thanks, Lena Agreed, .bb.b. , I suspect a lack of aquaintance with anything needn't be termed a big catastrophe. At most, that would be a minor cat's-after-me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
