Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta, Marc <dennis_travis33@ ...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta, Marc <dennis_travis33@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Aggressive speech reflects unhappiness of spirit. > > > > > > There is no " correcting " an investment in dukkha. > > > > > > One observes it, and moves on. > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > superficial love and related attachments to an imaginary world...means, ego....is also of aggressivity. ....envelopped only in some meaningless love bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: moving on?.... > > > > > > where?... > > > > > > is there a place to move on for " non-aggressive " people?... > > > > > > this your new site/group?. .. > > > > > > for all pseudo advaitins?.. . > > > > > > lol > > > > I move on without going anywhere. > > > > Don't see anything to be aggressive toward. > > > > Do you? > > > > - D - > > > > > > no..... > > > > everything is just like it is....for real.... > > > > means, it is > > > > ... > > > > no importance to give to It... > > > > ... > > > > except ignorance is giving It some importance.. . > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > Hi Marc - > > So, what is, is exactly the way it is. > > Yes. > > And ignorance is not what it is. > > Thus, there's no concern here about ignorance or what it might do or not do. > > There's just what it is. > > Nothing else is going on. > > - D - > > > > there is no " ignorance " going on?.... > > ... > > why not accepting that beside many many things which are going on... > > also " ignorance " is going on > > ... D: Because " what is " isn't ignorant. > some say that the world is... > > some say that the world is not > > ... > > everybody is allowed to " see " what is(n't).... > > ... > > only fools don't allow (themself & ) others to " see " what is(n't) > > ... > > everybody is responsible for what he/she is " seeing " > > ... > > there is nobody else...anyway D: So, are you aware of being ignorant? If not, there is no ignorance to deal with, no? - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2010 Nisargadatta, Marc <dennis_travis33@ ...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta, Marc <dennis_travis33@ ...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta, Marc <dennis_travis33@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Aggressive speech reflects unhappiness of spirit. > > > > > > There is no " correcting " an investment in dukkha. > > > > > > One observes it, and moves on. > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > superficial love and related attachments to an imaginary world...means, ego....is also of aggressivity. ....envelopped only in some meaningless love bubbles.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: moving on?.... > > > > > > where?... > > > > > > is there a place to move on for " non-aggressive " people?... > > > > > > this your new site/group?. .. > > > > > > for all pseudo advaitins?.. . > > > > > > lol > > > > I move on without going anywhere. > > > > Don't see anything to be aggressive toward. > > > > Do you? > > > > - D - > > > > > > no..... > > > > everything is just like it is....for real.... > > > > means, it is > > > > ... > > > > no importance to give to It... > > > > ... > > > > except ignorance is giving It some importance.. . > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > Hi Marc - > > So, what is, is exactly the way it is. > > Yes. > > And ignorance is not what it is. > > Thus, there's no concern here about ignorance or what it might do or not do. > > There's just what it is. > > Nothing else is going on. > > - D - > > > > there is no " ignorance " going on?.... > > ... > > why not accepting that beside many many things which are going on... > > also " ignorance " is going on > > ... D: Because " what is " isn't ignorant. > some say that the world is... > > some say that the world is not > > ... > > everybody is allowed to " see " what is(n't).... > > ... > > only fools don't allow (themself & ) others to " see " what is(n't) > > ... > > everybody is responsible for what he/she is " seeing " > > ... > > there is nobody else...anyway D: So, are you aware of being ignorant? If not, there is no ignorance to deal with, no? - D - " what is " ...isn't ignorant?.... up to " you " to judge on it... there is nobody else .... but....isn't it meaningless to reject existent ignorance?....which is the cause of appearent realities....appearent reality like " the world " as for example.....or this " you " ... .... the one who is " aware " about ignorance....just take what is....as what Is for nothing more....for nothing less.... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2010 Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > " what is " ...isn't ignorant?.... > > up to " you " to judge on it... > > there is nobody else D: That's what I'm saying. There's no one else. Just what is. Ignorance doesn't enter into it. > ... > > but....isn't it meaningless to reject existent ignorance?....which is the cause of appearent realities....appearent reality like " the world " as for example.....or this " you " ... D: Ignorance in the sense of ignoring what is. If one isn't ignoring what is, it is as it is. So, there's no ignorance, correct? You say there is no one else here. Yes. And one here isn't ignoring. Nowhere else for ignorance to exist. The worlds you refer to and beings living in them ... These don't change 'what is' into something else, correct? So the ignoring that is required for living in those worlds doesn't happen here, as this is. And no one exists in those worlds that depend on ignoring. Although, of course, one can talk to " them " as if speaking to someone existing " in them " ... It's possible to talk and act as if addressing someone whose existence depends on ignoring (on ignorance) " as if " someone could be manufactured into an existence by ignoring. > the one who is " aware " about ignorance....just take what is....as what Is > > for nothing more....for nothing less.... Yes. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2010 Nisargadatta, Marc <dennis_travis33@ ...> wrote: > > " what is " ...isn't ignorant?... . > > up to " you " to judge on it... > > there is nobody else D: That's what I'm saying. There's no one else. Just what is. Ignorance doesn't enter into it. > ... > > but....isn't it meaningless to reject existent ignorance?.. ..which is the cause of appearent realities... .appearent reality like " the world " as for example..... or this " you " ... D: Ignorance in the sense of ignoring what is. If one isn't ignoring what is, it is as it is. So, there's no ignorance, correct? You say there is no one else here. Yes. And one here isn't ignoring. Nowhere else for ignorance to exist. The worlds you refer to and beings living in them ... These don't change 'what is' into something else, correct? So the ignoring that is required for living in those worlds doesn't happen here, as this is. And no one exists in those worlds that depend on ignoring. Although, of course, one can talk to " them " as if speaking to someone existing " in them " ... It's possible to talk and act as if addressing someone whose existence depends on ignoring (on ignorance) " as if " someone could be manufactured into an existence by ignoring. > the one who is " aware " about ignorance... .just take what is....as what Is > > for nothing more....for nothing less.... Yes. - D - whoever who take some words and messages in here.... " personally " .... is trapped into his/her imaginary being....and so, in imaginary " others " too.... as sign of ignorance... coming and going... like life is coming and going... like sleep is beginning and ending... like emotions are coming and going... .... whoever who don't know peace.....means, who don't know what Is... is of ignorance not of peace .... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2010 Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta, Marc <dennis_travis33@ ...> wrote: > > > > > " what is " ...isn't ignorant?... . > > > > up to " you " to judge on it... > > > > there is nobody else > > D: That's what I'm saying. There's no one else. Just what is. > Ignorance doesn't enter into it. > > > ... > > > > but....isn't it meaningless to reject existent ignorance?.. ..which is the cause of appearent realities... .appearent reality like " the world " as for example..... or this " you " ... > > D: Ignorance in the sense of ignoring what is. > > If one isn't ignoring what is, it is as it is. > > So, there's no ignorance, correct? > > You say there is no one else here. > > Yes. > > And one here isn't ignoring. > > Nowhere else for ignorance to exist. > > The worlds you refer to and beings living in them ... > > These don't change 'what is' into something else, correct? > > So the ignoring that is required for living in those > worlds doesn't happen here, as this is. > > And no one exists in those worlds that depend on ignoring. > > Although, of course, one can talk to " them " as if speaking > to someone existing " in them " ... > > It's possible to talk and act as if addressing someone > whose existence depends on ignoring (on ignorance) " as if " > someone could be manufactured into an existence by > ignoring. > > > the one who is " aware " about ignorance... .just take what is....as what Is > > > > for nothing more....for nothing less.... > > Yes. > > - D - > > > whoever who take some words and messages in here.... " personally " .... > > is trapped into his/her imaginary being....and so, in imaginary " others " too.... > > as sign of ignorance... > > coming and going... > > like life is coming and going... > > like sleep is beginning and ending... > > like emotions are coming and going... > > ... > > whoever who don't know peace.....means, who don't know what Is... > > is of ignorance > > not of peace > > ... > > Marc It's an infinite regress. Getting trapped into getting trapped into getting trapped. Thus, the getting trapped is also an attempt to hold, and an attempt to get away. No one else ends it. No one else is involved in it. The ignorance is the attempt, which is " ignoring. " Getting trapped is ignoring in order to hold and have, in order to feel to exist, or to try to get away from existing. There isn't anyone actually in there, getting trapped. This is what is ignored, in order to keep the momentum going, of the attempt to hold and have, and exist and evade existing. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2010 Nisargadatta, Marc <dennis_travis33@ ...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta, Marc <dennis_travis33@ ...> wrote: > > > > > " what is " ...isn't ignorant?... . > > > > up to " you " to judge on it... > > > > there is nobody else > > D: That's what I'm saying. There's no one else. Just what is. > Ignorance doesn't enter into it. > > > ... > > > > but....isn't it meaningless to reject existent ignorance?.. ..which is the cause of appearent realities... .appearent reality like " the world " as for example..... or this " you " ... > > D: Ignorance in the sense of ignoring what is. > > If one isn't ignoring what is, it is as it is. > > So, there's no ignorance, correct? > > You say there is no one else here. > > Yes. > > And one here isn't ignoring. > > Nowhere else for ignorance to exist. > > The worlds you refer to and beings living in them ... > > These don't change 'what is' into something else, correct? > > So the ignoring that is required for living in those > worlds doesn't happen here, as this is. > > And no one exists in those worlds that depend on ignoring. > > Although, of course, one can talk to " them " as if speaking > to someone existing " in them " ... > > It's possible to talk and act as if addressing someone > whose existence depends on ignoring (on ignorance) " as if " > someone could be manufactured into an existence by > ignoring. > > > the one who is " aware " about ignorance... .just take what is....as what Is > > > > for nothing more....for nothing less.... > > Yes. > > - D - > > > whoever who take some words and messages in here.... " personally " .... > > is trapped into his/her imaginary being....and so, in imaginary " others " too.... > > as sign of ignorance... > > coming and going... > > like life is coming and going... > > like sleep is beginning and ending... > > like emotions are coming and going... > > ... > > whoever who don't know peace.....means, who don't know what Is... > > is of ignorance > > not of peace > > ... > > Marc It's an infinite regress. Getting trapped into getting trapped into getting trapped. Thus, the getting trapped is also an attempt to hold, and an attempt to get away. No one else ends it. No one else is involved in it. The ignorance is the attempt, which is " ignoring. " Getting trapped is ignoring in order to hold and have, in order to feel to exist, or to try to get away from existing. There isn't anyone actually in there, getting trapped. This is what is ignored, in order to keep the momentum going, of the attempt to hold and have, and exist and evade existing. - D - only peace Is ignoring the world whoever is trying to ignore the world...is ignoring the imaginary being he/she is trapped in....for some duration of time... .... what Is seen/felt/created.....is of no importance... compared to peace .... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2010 Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33 wrote: > only peace Is ignoring the world > > whoever is trying to ignore the world...is ignoring the imaginary being he/she is trapped in....for some duration of time... > > ... > > what Is seen/felt/created.....is of no importance... > > compared to peace > > ... > > Marc The peace one is, is not a piece. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > only peace Is ignoring the world > > > > whoever is trying to ignore the world...is ignoring the imaginary being he/she is trapped in....for some duration of time... > > > > ... > > > > what Is seen/felt/created.....is of no importance... > > > > compared to peace > > > > ... > > > > Marc > > The peace one is, is not a piece. > > - D - > exactly. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2010 Nisargadatta , Marc <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta, Marc <dennis_travis33@ ...> wrote: > > > > > " what is " ...isn't ignorant?... . > > > > up to " you " to judge on it... > > > > there is nobody else > > D: That's what I'm saying. There's no one else. Just what is. > Ignorance doesn't enter into it. > > > ... > > > > but....isn't it meaningless to reject existent ignorance?.. ..which is the cause of appearent realities... .appearent reality like " the world " as for example..... or this " you " ... > > D: Ignorance in the sense of ignoring what is. > > If one isn't ignoring what is, it is as it is. > > So, there's no ignorance, correct? > > You say there is no one else here. > > Yes. > > And one here isn't ignoring. > > Nowhere else for ignorance to exist. > > The worlds you refer to and beings living in them ... > > These don't change 'what is' into something else, correct? > > So the ignoring that is required for living in those > worlds doesn't happen here, as this is. > > And no one exists in those worlds that depend on ignoring. > > Although, of course, one can talk to " them " as if speaking > to someone existing " in them " ... > > It's possible to talk and act as if addressing someone > whose existence depends on ignoring (on ignorance) " as if " > someone could be manufactured into an existence by > ignoring. > > > the one who is " aware " about ignorance... .just take what is....as what Is > > > > for nothing more....for nothing less.... > > Yes. > > - D - > > > whoever who take some words and messages in here.... " personally " .... > > is trapped into his/her imaginary being....and so, in imaginary " others " too.... > > as sign of ignorance... > > coming and going... > > like life is coming and going... > > like sleep is beginning and ending... > > like emotions are coming and going... > > ... > > whoever who don't know peace.....means, who don't know what Is... > > is of ignorance > > not of peace > > ... > > Marc > you speak the trap conception is of no use to you here. you will mind fuck yourself to an unrealized nauseum death Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2010 whoever who take some words and messages in here.... " personally " .... > > is trapped into his/her imaginary being....and so, in imaginary " others " too.... > > as sign of ignorance... > > coming and going... > > like life is coming and going... > > like sleep is beginning and ending... > > like emotions are coming and going... > > ... > > whoever who don't know peace.....means, who don't know what Is... > > is of ignorance > > not of peace > > ... > > Marc > you speak the trap conception is of no use to you here. you will mind fuck yourself to an unrealized nauseum death Mark sure.... you will " mind fuck yourself to an unrealized nauseum death " ... why not... who cares... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2010 only peace Is ignoring the world > > whoever is trying to ignore the world...is ignoring the imaginary being he/she is trapped in....for some duration of time... > > ... > > what Is seen/felt/created. ....is of no importance.. . > > compared to peace > > ... > > Marc The peace one is, is not a piece. - D - there are no worldly expressions of such peace .... all this pseudo non-dual ( " neo advaitin " crap in here.....and in endless number of blogs and site....is worth nothing.... .... world is world .... peace is peace .... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
