Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > The body is an imaginary unit. > > -dan- > > > >G: The body has no actual existence? > > D: That's not what was being said. > > G: Or the body as some independent > > entity as ME? > > D: Just the body as a definable separable entity. Not necessarily > even as ME. > > G: A baby cries to feed or when it is cold or too warm. The > > baby is imagining his body as soon as it is born? > > D: Yes - only the baby isn't doing it. The baby is the > doing of it. > > geo: You mean the body is " imagined " in/as awareness? Like anything > manifested? I agree with that. You are calling the waves, the patterns... > as imagings. So your statement " the body is an imaginary unit " is just > confirming the fact that everything and anything are no more then such > patterns. Yes. And there aren't any really existing separated patterns. Patterns are interpretations occuring within patterns, within interpretations, on and on. Patterns within patterns within patterns, ad infinitum. To focus on any pattern and make it seemingly real for " a moment in time " is therefore imaginative. And ... there is no one separately existing from the patterns within patterns within patterns, who can " focus. " So, the " focusing " that makes the patterns " seem real for a moment in time " is the patterning. The patterning refers to patterning refers to patterning, ad infinitum, to have a sense of reality. Humans call this " the operation of memory and thought through sensing. " The humans that call it this, are at the same time, a " product " of it. The patterning is always " opened, " so to speak. Or " empty " could be another word. You could also say " full " as meaning ... " only all is, " every pattern implies and includes every other patterning without exception or division. Yes, there's no problem with the patternings, with the dreaming, with the non-volitional arisings. - Dan - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , " julesmiel " <julesmiel wrote: > > Sleeping baby in my imaginary arms. > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > D: Yes - only the baby isn't doing it. The baby is the > > doing of it. > > I'm doing it. And then it's so okay. I can do suffering. And it's not even suffering. Is it an error to identify with the everything, to feel this love? > > Dan, do you love us all with an unbelievably squirrelly and ridiculous and profound love? Hi Julie - No, I don't feel unbelievably squirrelly and ridiculous and profound love to you all. I haven't even met any of you face-to-face, that I know of. > Did you do that first and then normalize because it's just more efficient when it flows quietly like water? D: Well, I would say I fell apart and reconstituted, as did everything else. And yes, you could say it flows, just as it is. But there's nothing special about me or about that - everything is flowing, if you want to put it that way. > I could have loved this love all along, only I became really convinced that it was inappropriate. The I was born. It happens to every child. It sounds mushy, but it's the living reality this I experiences with two imaginary children. D: I'm glad you love your children. That sounds healthy for them and you. > They would not get this language here, and I'm more accustomed to their language, which is beyond the spoken. They generally trust the union and sniff bs at the separation. (That dichotomy is inaccurate, but the usual word thing going on.) Sounds like squirelly happy loving. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " julesmiel " <julesmiel@> wrote: > > > > > They would not get this language here, and I'm more accustomed to their language, which is beyond the spoken. They generally trust the union and sniff bs at the separation. (That dichotomy is inaccurate, but the usual word thing going on.) > > Sounds like squirelly happy loving. > > Dan > All my squirrel'in... I will send to yooooooo... All my squirrel'in... Darlin', I'll be skwooo.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > I haven't even met any of you face-to-face, that I know of. Didn't you? When you woke up (and there is no awakening), did you meet you everywhere (and there is nowhere to go)? Or you took the express train to nowhere? I'm talking to myself. Are you? Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , " julesmiel " <julesmiel wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > I haven't even met any of you face-to-face, that I know of. > > Didn't you? When you woke up (and there is no awakening), did you meet you everywhere (and there is nowhere to go)? Or you took the express train to nowhere? > > I'm talking to myself. Are you? > > Julie Well, when you put it that way, I suppose there's nothing being met that isn't the one who is meeting. Smiles, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Nisargadatta , " julesmiel " <julesmiel wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > I haven't even met any of you face-to-face, that I know of. > > Didn't you? When you woke up (and there is no awakening), did you meet you everywhere (and there is nowhere to go)? Or you took the express train to nowhere? > > I'm talking to myself. Are you? > > Julie > i feel like i'm at the " shutter island " mental hospital/prison all of a sudden investigating the disappearance of a patient...myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " julesmiel " <julesmiel@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > I haven't even met any of you face-to-face, that I know of. > > > > Didn't you? When you woke up (and there is no awakening), did you meet you everywhere (and there is nowhere to go)? Or you took the express train to nowhere? > > > > I'm talking to myself. Are you? > > > > Julie > > > > i feel like i'm at the " shutter island " mental hospital/prison all of a sudden investigating the disappearance of a patient...myself. happy hunting. (you may have a long wait - hope you brought some popcorn.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 - julesmiel Nisargadatta Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:07 PM Re:Nisargadatta on Death, Suffering and Rebirth Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > I haven't even met any of you face-to-face, that I know of. Didn't you? When you woke up (and there is no awakening), did you meet you everywhere (and there is nowhere to go)? Or you took the express train to nowhere? I'm talking to myself. Are you? Julie He did but forgot....He'll remember soon though.... -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 - Hur Guler Nisargadatta Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:57 PM Re:Nisargadatta on Death, Suffering and Rebirth Nisargadatta , " julesmiel " <julesmiel wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > I haven't even met any of you face-to-face, that I know of. > > Didn't you? When you woke up (and there is no awakening), did you meet you > everywhere (and there is nowhere to go)? Or you took the express train to > nowhere? > > I'm talking to myself. Are you? > > Julie > i feel like i'm at the " shutter island " mental hospital/prison all of a sudden investigating the disappearance of a patient...myself. geo: What a burden that patient was.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:09 PM Re:Nisargadatta on Death, Suffering and Rebirth Nisargadatta , " julesmiel " <julesmiel wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > I haven't even met any of you face-to-face, that I know of. > > Didn't you? When you woke up (and there is no awakening), did you > meet you everywhere (and there is nowhere to go)? Or you took the > express train to nowhere? > > I'm talking to myself. Are you? > > Julie > All of us are. " Myself " meaning you. geo: I told ya.... he rememberd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > julesmiel > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:07 PM > Re:Nisargadatta on Death, Suffering and Rebirth > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > I haven't even met any of you face-to-face, that I know of. > > Didn't you? When you woke up (and there is no awakening), did you meet you > everywhere (and there is nowhere to go)? Or you took the express train to > nowhere? > > I'm talking to myself. Are you? > > Julie > > He did but forgot....He'll remember soon though.... > -geo- What are you - on some kind of roller-coaster ride? Remember, forget, remember. Sheesh. Amazing to me the rides that some people want to try. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > julesmiel > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:07 PM > > Re:Nisargadatta on Death, Suffering and Rebirth > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > I haven't even met any of you face-to-face, that I know of. > > > > Didn't you? When you woke up (and there is no awakening), did you meet you > > everywhere (and there is nowhere to go)? Or you took the express train to > > nowhere? > > > > I'm talking to myself. Are you? > > > > Julie > > > > He did but forgot....He'll remember soon though.... > > -geo- > > What are you - on some kind of roller-coaster ride? He " is " some kind of roller-coaster ride. What are you -- riding him? ;-D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:23 PM Re:Nisargadatta on Death, Suffering and Rebirth Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > julesmiel > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:07 PM > Re:Nisargadatta on Death, Suffering and Rebirth > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > I haven't even met any of you face-to-face, that I know of. > > Didn't you? When you woke up (and there is no awakening), did you meet you > everywhere (and there is nowhere to go)? Or you took the express train to > nowhere? > > I'm talking to myself. Are you? > > Julie > > He did but forgot....He'll remember soon though.... > -geo- What are you - on some kind of roller-coaster ride? Remember, forget, remember. Sheesh. Amazing to me the rides that some people want to try. - D - If you come to think about it....remebering...forgeting...what is that? Who forgets/remembers? what? Ai....ai....so many questions.... -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " julesmiel " <julesmiel@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > I haven't even met any of you face-to-face, that I know of. > > > > Didn't you? When you woke up (and there is no awakening), did you meet you everywhere (and there is nowhere to go)? Or you took the express train to nowhere? > > > > I'm talking to myself. Are you? > > > > Julie > > > > i feel like i'm at the " shutter island " mental hospital/prison all of a sudden investigating the disappearance of a patient...myself. > The " patient " that I created in my own dream... can appear again in my dream. " Me " that I lose is not to be " found " gain ... it is to be created again and I can create it again and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:23 PM > Re:Nisargadatta on Death, Suffering and Rebirth > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > julesmiel > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:07 PM > > Re:Nisargadatta on Death, Suffering and Rebirth > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > I haven't even met any of you face-to-face, that I know of. > > > > Didn't you? When you woke up (and there is no awakening), did you meet you > > everywhere (and there is nowhere to go)? Or you took the express train to > > nowhere? > > > > I'm talking to myself. Are you? > > > > Julie > > > > He did but forgot....He'll remember soon though.... > > -geo- > > What are you - on some kind of roller-coaster ride? > > Remember, forget, remember. > > Sheesh. > > Amazing to me the rides that some people want to try. > > - D - > > If you come to think about it....remebering...forgeting...what is that? Who > forgets/remembers? what? > Ai....ai....so many questions.... > -geo- To remember is to dismember. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > > > > If you come to think about it....remebering...forgeting...what is that? Who > > forgets/remembers? what? > > Ai....ai....so many questions.... > > -geo- > > To remember is to dismember. > > - D - > Well, it's a good thing there's no one who " remembers " , then ;-). For memory to arise, is for memory to arise. No remembering, no dismembering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 no. yes. no, really. yes, not really. no, imaginarily real. yes, really imaginary. Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If you come to think about it....remebering...forgeting...what is that? Who > > > forgets/remembers? what? > > > Ai....ai....so many questions.... > > > -geo- > > > > To remember is to dismember. > > > > - D - > > > > Well, it's a good thing there's no one who " remembers " , then ;-). > > For memory to arise, is for memory to arise. > > No remembering, no dismembering. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > no. > > yes. > > no, really. > > yes, not really. > > no, imaginarily real. > > yes, really imaginary. Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, daaaad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > no. > > > > yes. > > > > no, really. > > > > yes, not really. > > > > no, imaginarily real. > > > > yes, really imaginary. > > Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, daaaad. > P.S... What is the purpose of life? Who is the disciple, And who is the master? For I have no bounds. I am Shiva. Nothing arises in me, In whom nothing is single, Nothing is double. Nothing is, Nothing is not. In the end, The love you take Is equal to The love you make. What more is there to say? -- The Ashtavakra Gita, et al. ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > Who is the disciple, > And who is the master? > > For I have no bounds. > I am Shiva. That part scares the crap out of me, Tim! Whenever I get the spiritual hiccups, it's because fear has entered in again. I sort of thought I was supposed to be in charge, at least to the point of preventing myself from doing " the worst " things. But not even that? It feel really big at first. But once normalized, it feels ordinary. Julie says a prayer for a very sweet and ordinary day. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If you come to think about it....remebering...forgeting...what is that? Who > > > forgets/remembers? what? > > > Ai....ai....so many questions.... > > > -geo- > > > > To remember is to dismember. > > > > - D - > > > > Well, it's a good thing there's no one who " remembers " , then ;-). > > For memory to arise, is for memory to arise. > > No remembering, no dismembering. > Oh, I forgot your name. It was Tom, Tob or the like. But I still remember you are one of those Neo-Advaita intellectuals (especially like Dan who seems to be your god) and who speak in tongues and who sound like retards living on an island far away from living human beings of flesh and blood. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Nisargadatta , " julesmiel " <julesmiel wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > Who is the disciple, > > And who is the master? > > > > For I have no bounds. > > I am Shiva. > > That part scares the crap out of me, Tim! Whenever I get the > spiritual hiccups, it's because fear has entered in again. > > I sort of thought I was supposed to be in charge, at least to the > point of preventing myself from doing " the worst " things. But not > even that? The feeling of 'being in charge', or 'not being in charge' -- are you in charge of that, of which one is there (or not there)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > The feeling of 'being in charge', or 'not being in charge' -- are you > in charge of that, of which one is there (or not there)? Nope. Funny stuff! Not in charge. Glad I noticed. And when I notice that, a new fear steps up to replace the old one. Next up: Julie is afraid of blowing out of her body. This is why people spend years in therapy. The fear is endless! But it must not be. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 - wwoehr Nisargadatta Sunday, February 28, 2010 5:45 AM Re:Nisargadatta on Death, Suffering and Rebirth Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If you come to think about it....remebering...forgeting...what is > > > that? Who > > > forgets/remembers? what? > > > Ai....ai....so many questions.... > > > -geo- > > > > To remember is to dismember. > > > > - D - > > > > Well, it's a good thing there's no one who " remembers " , then ;-). > > For memory to arise, is for memory to arise. > > No remembering, no dismembering. > Oh, I forgot your name. It was Tom, Tob or the like. But I still remember you are one of those Neo-Advaita intellectuals who speak in tongues and sound like retards living on an isalnd far away from living human beings of flesh and blood. Werner Must you send each post twice? -egg- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 28/2/2010 09:47:49 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 28/2/2010 09:52:02 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 - wwoehr Nisargadatta Sunday, February 28, 2010 5:54 AM Re:Nisargadatta on Death, Suffering and Rebirth Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If you come to think about it....remebering...forgeting...what is > > > that? Who > > > forgets/remembers? what? > > > Ai....ai....so many questions.... > > > -geo- > > > > To remember is to dismember. > > > > - D - > > > > Well, it's a good thing there's no one who " remembers " , then ;-). > > For memory to arise, is for memory to arise. > > No remembering, no dismembering. > Oh, I forgot your name. It was Tom, Tob or the like. But I still remember you are one of those Neo-Advaita intellectuals (especially like Dan who seems to be your god) and who speak in tongues and who sound like retards living on an island far away from living human beings of flesh and blood. Werner Must you send three times each post? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 28/2/2010 09:47:50 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 28/2/2010 09:56:28 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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