Hoping someone can help me understand a question I have

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

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> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

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> > > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

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> > > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I

just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > > Kind Regards,

> > > > Eric

> > >

> > > Yes, missing the oceanic allness that you are, that Nisargadatta calls

" awareness " - sometimes referred to as " nothing " (no-thing).

> >

> >

> >

> > Ah - I had not read this before I wrote the previous message.

> >

> > Awareness is something - not nothing.

> >

> > Think again

> >

> > -Lene

>

> What is there to think about?

>

> Something and nothing are not different.

>

> Any something is nothing.

>

> Nothing is all things.

>

> - Dan -

 

 

oh crap!

 

here we go again.

 

little dabbo has come down from the mountain on top of his couch..

 

and brought the " Great Wisdom " hewed in plastic stone!

 

don't trip on the footsies sewn onto your Christmas pjs dabbo.

 

what a cute little outfit!

 

those slipper paws look great with the bunny ear hood!

 

makes a swell impression of Moses pal.

 

(don't think about it son..it might hurt)

 

:-)

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

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> >

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> > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

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> > >

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> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I

just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > > > Kind Regards,

> > > > > Eric

> > > >

> > > > Yes, missing the oceanic allness that you are, that Nisargadatta calls

" awareness " - sometimes referred to as " nothing " (no-thing).

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ah - I had not read this before I wrote the previous message.

> > >

> > > Awareness is something - not nothing.

> > >

> > > Think again

> > >

> > > -Lene

> >

> > What is there to think about?

> >

> > Something and nothing are not different.

> >

> > Any something is nothing.

> >

> > Nothing is all things.

> >

> > - Dan -

>

>

> oh crap!

>

> here we go again.

>

> little dabbo has come down from the mountain on top of his couch..

>

> and brought the " Great Wisdom " hewed in plastic stone!

>

> don't trip on the footsies sewn onto your Christmas pjs dabbo.

>

> what a cute little outfit!

>

> those slipper paws look great with the bunny ear hood!

>

> makes a swell impression of Moses pal.

>

> (don't think about it son..it might hurt)

>

> :-)

>

> .b b.b.

 

This truth is not about me.

 

Silly boy.

 

- Dan -

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

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> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

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> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which

I just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > > > > Kind Regards,

> > > > > > Eric

> > >

> > >

> > > P: You are right that Nis and an atheist view

> > > about God and the afterlife are the same, but

> > > with one difference:

> > > The atheist believes he is a self who will die. Nis

> > > negation is total: neither self, nor death exist.

> > >

> > > What does this mean that death doesn't exist. It's

> > > simple, particular organisms cease to exist, but

> > > there is not a state called death were they go to.

> > >

> > > There is only generic life being conscious of

> > > itself and the universe through organisms. This

> > > will go on as long as the universe exists. Deeply

> > > realizing this liberates from suffering and the

> > > fear of death. There is no one who suffers, there

> > > is no one who dies. Only life lives.

> > >

> > > Pete

> >

> > There is no universe existing apart from your own awareness.

> >

> > Death doesn't end life because life is being aware.

> >

> > Death is not the opposite of being aware.

> >

> > Death is the opposite of birth.

> >

> > Thus, birth and death don't contradict each other as one is aware.

> >

> > - Dan -

>

> P: From now on, I'm going to call you graffiti boy.

> What urges to deface posts with your confused

> paraphrasing?

 

 

dabbo wants to be just like a REAL guru.

 

LOL!

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

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> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which

I just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > > > > Kind Regards,

> > > > > > Eric

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, missing the oceanic allness that you are, that Nisargadatta calls

" awareness " - sometimes referred to as " nothing " (no-thing).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ah - I had not read this before I wrote the previous message.

> > > >

> > > > Awareness is something - not nothing.

> > > >

> > > > Think again

> > > >

> > > > -Lene

> > >

> > > What is there to think about?

> > >

> > > Something and nothing are not different.

> > >

> > > Any something is nothing.

> > >

> > > Nothing is all things.

> > >

> > > - Dan -

> >

> >

> > oh crap!

> >

> > here we go again.

> >

> > little dabbo has come down from the mountain on top of his couch..

> >

> > and brought the " Great Wisdom " hewed in plastic stone!

> >

> > don't trip on the footsies sewn onto your Christmas pjs dabbo.

> >

> > what a cute little outfit!

> >

> > those slipper paws look great with the bunny ear hood!

> >

> > makes a swell impression of Moses pal.

> >

> > (don't think about it son..it might hurt)

> >

> > :-)

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> This truth is not about me.

>

> Silly boy.

>

> - Dan -

 

 

no shit dabbo.

 

you can't handle the truth.

 

LOL!

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

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> >

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> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which

I just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > > > > Kind Regards,

> > > > > > Eric

> > >

> > >

> > > P: You are right that Nis and an atheist view

> > > about God and the afterlife are the same, but

> > > with one difference:

> > > The atheist believes he is a self who will die. Nis

> > > negation is total: neither self, nor death exist.

> > >

> > > What does this mean that death doesn't exist. It's

> > > simple, particular organisms cease to exist, but

> > > there is not a state called death were they go to.

> > >

> > > There is only generic life being conscious of

> > > itself and the universe through organisms. This

> > > will go on as long as the universe exists. Deeply

> > > realizing this liberates from suffering and the

> > > fear of death. There is no one who suffers, there

> > > is no one who dies. Only life lives.

> > >

> > > Pete

> >

> > There is no universe existing apart from your own awareness.

> >

> > Death doesn't end life because life is being aware.

> >

> > Death is not the opposite of being aware.

> >

> > Death is the opposite of birth.

> >

> > Thus, birth and death don't contradict each other as one is aware.

> >

> > - Dan -

>

>

> utter and complete bullshit!

>

> .b b.b.

 

your bullshit is so much better.

 

lol.

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine "

which I just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > > > > > Kind Regards,

> > > > > > > Eric

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > P: You are right that Nis and an atheist view

> > > > about God and the afterlife are the same, but

> > > > with one difference:

> > > > The atheist believes he is a self who will die. Nis

> > > > negation is total: neither self, nor death exist.

> > > >

> > > > What does this mean that death doesn't exist. It's

> > > > simple, particular organisms cease to exist, but

> > > > there is not a state called death were they go to.

> > > >

> > > > There is only generic life being conscious of

> > > > itself and the universe through organisms. This

> > > > will go on as long as the universe exists. Deeply

> > > > realizing this liberates from suffering and the

> > > > fear of death. There is no one who suffers, there

> > > > is no one who dies. Only life lives.

> > > >

> > > > Pete

> > >

> > > There is no universe existing apart from your own awareness.

> > >

> > > Death doesn't end life because life is being aware.

> > >

> > > Death is not the opposite of being aware.

> > >

> > > Death is the opposite of birth.

> > >

> > > Thus, birth and death don't contradict each other as one is aware.

> > >

> > > - Dan -

> >

> >

> > utter and complete bullshit!

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> your bullshit is so much better.

>

> lol.

>

> - D -

 

 

there you go comparing again.

 

what's more bullshit..holy..true...better or worse.

 

you are stuck in comparative duality dabbo.

 

and you just can't face it.

 

you want to be MORE.....hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa!

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine "

which I just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > > > > > Kind Regards,

> > > > > > > Eric

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > P: You are right that Nis and an atheist view

> > > > about God and the afterlife are the same, but

> > > > with one difference:

> > > > The atheist believes he is a self who will die. Nis

> > > > negation is total: neither self, nor death exist.

> > > >

> > > > What does this mean that death doesn't exist. It's

> > > > simple, particular organisms cease to exist, but

> > > > there is not a state called death were they go to.

> > > >

> > > > There is only generic life being conscious of

> > > > itself and the universe through organisms. This

> > > > will go on as long as the universe exists. Deeply

> > > > realizing this liberates from suffering and the

> > > > fear of death. There is no one who suffers, there

> > > > is no one who dies. Only life lives.

> > > >

> > > > Pete

> > >

> > > There is no universe existing apart from your own awareness.

> > >

> > > Death doesn't end life because life is being aware.

> > >

> > > Death is not the opposite of being aware.

> > >

> > > Death is the opposite of birth.

> > >

> > > Thus, birth and death don't contradict each other as one is aware.

> > >

> > > - Dan -

> >

> > P: From now on, I'm going to call you graffiti boy.

> > What urges to deface posts with your confused

> > paraphrasing?

>

> D: Pete has been defaced. Now, he sees. Just without his face! This is

good.

 

 

oh now dabbo makes distinctions between the good and not so good!

 

what's the " Good " little swami?

 

LOL!

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine "

which I just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > > > > > Kind Regards,

> > > > > > > Eric

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > P: You are right that Nis and an atheist view

> > > > about God and the afterlife are the same, but

> > > > with one difference:

> > > > The atheist believes he is a self who will die. Nis

> > > > negation is total: neither self, nor death exist.

> > > >

> > > > What does this mean that death doesn't exist. It's

> > > > simple, particular organisms cease to exist, but

> > > > there is not a state called death were they go to.

> > > >

> > > > There is only generic life being conscious of

> > > > itself and the universe through organisms. This

> > > > will go on as long as the universe exists. Deeply

> > > > realizing this liberates from suffering and the

> > > > fear of death. There is no one who suffers, there

> > > > is no one who dies. Only life lives.

> > > >

> > > > Pete

> > >

> > > There is no universe existing apart from your own awareness.

> > >

> > > Death doesn't end life because life is being aware.

> > >

> > > Death is not the opposite of being aware.

> > >

> > > Death is the opposite of birth.

> > >

> > > Thus, birth and death don't contradict each other as one is aware.

> > >

> > > - Dan -

> >

> > P: From now on, I'm going to call you graffiti boy.

> > What urges to deface posts with your confused

> > paraphrasing?

>

>

> dabbo wants to be just like a REAL guru.

>

> LOL!

>

> .b b.b.

 

just having fun on an open list.

 

pardon me!

 

- D -

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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>

>

> Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine "

which I just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > > > > > > Kind Regards,

> > > > > > > > Eric

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > P: You are right that Nis and an atheist view

> > > > > about God and the afterlife are the same, but

> > > > > with one difference:

> > > > > The atheist believes he is a self who will die. Nis

> > > > > negation is total: neither self, nor death exist.

> > > > >

> > > > > What does this mean that death doesn't exist. It's

> > > > > simple, particular organisms cease to exist, but

> > > > > there is not a state called death were they go to.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is only generic life being conscious of

> > > > > itself and the universe through organisms. This

> > > > > will go on as long as the universe exists. Deeply

> > > > > realizing this liberates from suffering and the

> > > > > fear of death. There is no one who suffers, there

> > > > > is no one who dies. Only life lives.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pete

> > > >

> > > > There is no universe existing apart from your own awareness.

> > > >

> > > > Death doesn't end life because life is being aware.

> > > >

> > > > Death is not the opposite of being aware.

> > > >

> > > > Death is the opposite of birth.

> > > >

> > > > Thus, birth and death don't contradict each other as one is aware.

> > > >

> > > > - Dan -

> > >

> > > P: From now on, I'm going to call you graffiti boy.

> > > What urges to deface posts with your confused

> > > paraphrasing?

> >

> >

> > dabbo wants to be just like a REAL guru.

> >

> > LOL!

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> just having fun on an open list.

>

> pardon me!

>

> - D -

> - D -

 

 

what's to pardon?

 

don't feel guilty.

 

no need for martyrdom here.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine "

which I just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > > > > > > Kind Regards,

> > > > > > > > Eric

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > P: You are right that Nis and an atheist view

> > > > > about God and the afterlife are the same, but

> > > > > with one difference:

> > > > > The atheist believes he is a self who will die. Nis

> > > > > negation is total: neither self, nor death exist.

> > > > >

> > > > > What does this mean that death doesn't exist. It's

> > > > > simple, particular organisms cease to exist, but

> > > > > there is not a state called death were they go to.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is only generic life being conscious of

> > > > > itself and the universe through organisms. This

> > > > > will go on as long as the universe exists. Deeply

> > > > > realizing this liberates from suffering and the

> > > > > fear of death. There is no one who suffers, there

> > > > > is no one who dies. Only life lives.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pete

> > > >

> > > > There is no universe existing apart from your own awareness.

> > > >

> > > > Death doesn't end life because life is being aware.

> > > >

> > > > Death is not the opposite of being aware.

> > > >

> > > > Death is the opposite of birth.

> > > >

> > > > Thus, birth and death don't contradict each other as one is aware.

> > > >

> > > > - Dan -

> > >

> > >

> > > utter and complete bullshit!

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> >

> > your bullshit is so much better.

> >

> > lol.

> >

> > - D -

>

>

> there you go comparing again.

>

> what's more bullshit..holy..true...better or worse.

>

> you are stuck in comparative duality dabbo.

>

> and you just can't face it.

>

> you want to be MORE.....hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa!

>

> .b b.b.

 

comparative duality? as opposed to what -- noncomparative duality?

 

funny stuff.

 

dabbo is a a made-up character in a duality that exists only in bob's mind.

 

there is no actual duality place, comparative or otherwise.

 

there is no location for a dabbo or a bobby to have an existence of their own.

 

and you're saying there's someone living in a comparative duality place?

 

you say a lot of silly things, bobby.

 

thanks for the funny stuff.

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine "

which I just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > > > > > > Kind Regards,

> > > > > > > > Eric

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > P: You are right that Nis and an atheist view

> > > > > about God and the afterlife are the same, but

> > > > > with one difference:

> > > > > The atheist believes he is a self who will die. Nis

> > > > > negation is total: neither self, nor death exist.

> > > > >

> > > > > What does this mean that death doesn't exist. It's

> > > > > simple, particular organisms cease to exist, but

> > > > > there is not a state called death were they go to.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is only generic life being conscious of

> > > > > itself and the universe through organisms. This

> > > > > will go on as long as the universe exists. Deeply

> > > > > realizing this liberates from suffering and the

> > > > > fear of death. There is no one who suffers, there

> > > > > is no one who dies. Only life lives.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pete

> > > >

> > > > There is no universe existing apart from your own awareness.

> > > >

> > > > Death doesn't end life because life is being aware.

> > > >

> > > > Death is not the opposite of being aware.

> > > >

> > > > Death is the opposite of birth.

> > > >

> > > > Thus, birth and death don't contradict each other as one is aware.

> > > >

> > > > - Dan -

> > >

> > > P: From now on, I'm going to call you graffiti boy.

> > > What urges to deface posts with your confused

> > > paraphrasing?

> >

> > D: Pete has been defaced. Now, he sees. Just without his face! This is

good.

>

>

> oh now dabbo makes distinctions between the good and not so good!

>

> what's the " Good " little swami?

>

> LOL!

>

> .b b.b.

 

the good is the goodness of the good.

 

oh, goody.

 

it's just a word.

 

get over it.

 

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote:

 

>

> what's to pardon?

>

> don't feel guilty.

>

> no need for martyrdom here.

>

> .b b.b.

 

no cause to be martyred for.

 

- d -

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine "

which I just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > > > > > > Kind Regards,

> > > > > > > > Eric

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > P: You are right that Nis and an atheist view

> > > > > about God and the afterlife are the same, but

> > > > > with one difference:

> > > > > The atheist believes he is a self who will die. Nis

> > > > > negation is total: neither self, nor death exist.

> > > > >

> > > > > What does this mean that death doesn't exist. It's

> > > > > simple, particular organisms cease to exist, but

> > > > > there is not a state called death were they go to.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is only generic life being conscious of

> > > > > itself and the universe through organisms. This

> > > > > will go on as long as the universe exists. Deeply

> > > > > realizing this liberates from suffering and the

> > > > > fear of death. There is no one who suffers, there

> > > > > is no one who dies. Only life lives.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pete

> > > >

> > > > There is no universe existing apart from your own awareness.

> > > >

> > > > Death doesn't end life because life is being aware.

> > > >

> > > > Death is not the opposite of being aware.

> > > >

> > > > Death is the opposite of birth.

> > > >

> > > > Thus, birth and death don't contradict each other as one is aware.

> > > >

> > > > - Dan -

> > >

> > > P: From now on, I'm going to call you graffiti boy.

> > > What urges to deface posts with your confused

> > > paraphrasing?

> >

> >

> > dabbo wants to be just like a REAL guru.

> >

> > LOL!

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> just having fun on an open list.

>

> pardon me!

>

> - D -

> - D -

 

P Haha! All graffiti boys do it for fun.

Start your own threats. Can you come up

with something to say on your own?

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine "

which I just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > > > > > > > Kind Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Eric

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P: You are right that Nis and an atheist view

> > > > > > about God and the afterlife are the same, but

> > > > > > with one difference:

> > > > > > The atheist believes he is a self who will die. Nis

> > > > > > negation is total: neither self, nor death exist.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What does this mean that death doesn't exist. It's

> > > > > > simple, particular organisms cease to exist, but

> > > > > > there is not a state called death were they go to.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is only generic life being conscious of

> > > > > > itself and the universe through organisms. This

> > > > > > will go on as long as the universe exists. Deeply

> > > > > > realizing this liberates from suffering and the

> > > > > > fear of death. There is no one who suffers, there

> > > > > > is no one who dies. Only life lives.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pete

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no universe existing apart from your own awareness.

> > > > >

> > > > > Death doesn't end life because life is being aware.

> > > > >

> > > > > Death is not the opposite of being aware.

> > > > >

> > > > > Death is the opposite of birth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus, birth and death don't contradict each other as one is aware.

> > > > >

> > > > > - Dan -

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > utter and complete bullshit!

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > your bullshit is so much better.

> > >

> > > lol.

> > >

> > > - D -

> >

> >

> > there you go comparing again.

> >

> > what's more bullshit..holy..true...better or worse.

> >

> > you are stuck in comparative duality dabbo.

> >

> > and you just can't face it.

> >

> > you want to be MORE.....hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa!

> >

> > .b b.b.

 

 

 

>(dabbo):

 

> comparative duality? as opposed to what -- noncomparative duality?

 

 

 

(.b b.b.):

 

compared to nothing.

 

you wouldn't understand.

 

LOL!

 

 

 

>(dabbo):

 

 

> funny stuff.

 

 

 

 

(.b b.b.)

 

well if that's the best you can do..

 

and that's what you say..

 

ok.

 

but it's a damn poor excuse for funny dabby.

 

:-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

>(dabbo):

 

> dabbo is a a made-up character in a duality that exists only in bob's mind.

 

 

 

 

(.b b.b.):

 

oh cut it out kid.

 

your so full of bullshit.

 

and you just got through saying..

 

that you were just trying to have fun on an open list.

 

what a weasel you are sonny boy.

 

 

 

 

 

>(dabbo):

 

> there is no actual duality place, comparative or otherwise.

 

 

 

(.b b.b.)

 

if you're talking about " place " you're in duality kid.

 

what's wrong with you son?

 

 

 

 

>(dabbo):

 

> there is no location for a dabbo or a bobby to have an existence of their own.

 

 

 

 

(.b b.b.)

 

" their own " ????

 

c'mon now dabbo..

 

even you should be able to see the fallacy in that.

 

first you say there is no existence..

 

then you say " of their own " .

 

how sad your attempts at logic are.

 

it's like playing pin the tail on the donkey blindfolded..

 

and hoping beyond hope that it will stick someplace..anyplace.

 

and get this..

 

you expect adult people to play along with you.

 

don't be ridiculous kid.

 

you'll pin your eye out every time!

 

LOL!

 

 

>(dabbo):

 

> and you're saying there's someone living in a comparative duality place?

>

> you say a lot of silly things, bobby.

>

> thanks for the funny stuff.

>

> - D -

 

 

(.b b.b.):

 

well dabby..

 

if there isn't someone living in a comparative place..

 

like you for instance..

 

why on earth or in your fantasy of Oneness..

 

do you bother to take offense..react..reply..

 

and make a comparative difference in qualitative judgment..

 

as to my " stuff " ..

 

by calling it " funny " as opposed to " not funny'(i guess).

 

you've eaten to much fruitcake this year dabbo..

 

it's seeping out of you brains...

 

and spilling out of your mouth.

 

bedtime for all good boys and girls now dabby..

 

and from what you have said..

 

you know all about what is good and not good.

 

non-comparatively natch!

 

:-)

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine "

which I just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > > > > > > > Kind Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Eric

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P: You are right that Nis and an atheist view

> > > > > > about God and the afterlife are the same, but

> > > > > > with one difference:

> > > > > > The atheist believes he is a self who will die. Nis

> > > > > > negation is total: neither self, nor death exist.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What does this mean that death doesn't exist. It's

> > > > > > simple, particular organisms cease to exist, but

> > > > > > there is not a state called death were they go to.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is only generic life being conscious of

> > > > > > itself and the universe through organisms. This

> > > > > > will go on as long as the universe exists. Deeply

> > > > > > realizing this liberates from suffering and the

> > > > > > fear of death. There is no one who suffers, there

> > > > > > is no one who dies. Only life lives.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pete

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no universe existing apart from your own awareness.

> > > > >

> > > > > Death doesn't end life because life is being aware.

> > > > >

> > > > > Death is not the opposite of being aware.

> > > > >

> > > > > Death is the opposite of birth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus, birth and death don't contradict each other as one is aware.

> > > > >

> > > > > - Dan -

> > > >

> > > > P: From now on, I'm going to call you graffiti boy.

> > > > What urges to deface posts with your confused

> > > > paraphrasing?

> > >

> > > D: Pete has been defaced. Now, he sees. Just without his face! This is

good.

> >

> >

> > oh now dabbo makes distinctions between the good and not so good!

> >

> > what's the " Good " little swami?

> >

> > LOL!

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> the good is the goodness of the good.

>

> oh, goody.

>

> it's just a word.

>

> get over it.

>

>

> - D -

 

 

ROFLMAO!

 

i thought you said there was " nothing " to get over.

 

now you say..

 

oh well hell what's the use.

 

you put out these brain-farts on an ongoing basis.

 

Dabboness!

 

hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa!

 

you are a real treat dabbo.

 

please don't stop.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

>

> >

> > what's to pardon?

> >

> > don't feel guilty.

> >

> > no need for martyrdom here.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> no cause to be martyred for.

>

> - d -

 

 

then why whine about just trying to have some fun on an open list.

 

you try to suck and blow at the same time...all the time.

 

won't work.

 

never...or ever.

 

(take your choice dabbo..you seem to think there's a difference)

 

LOL!

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine "

which I just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > > > > > > > Kind Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Eric

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P: You are right that Nis and an atheist view

> > > > > > about God and the afterlife are the same, but

> > > > > > with one difference:

> > > > > > The atheist believes he is a self who will die. Nis

> > > > > > negation is total: neither self, nor death exist.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What does this mean that death doesn't exist. It's

> > > > > > simple, particular organisms cease to exist, but

> > > > > > there is not a state called death were they go to.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is only generic life being conscious of

> > > > > > itself and the universe through organisms. This

> > > > > > will go on as long as the universe exists. Deeply

> > > > > > realizing this liberates from suffering and the

> > > > > > fear of death. There is no one who suffers, there

> > > > > > is no one who dies. Only life lives.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pete

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no universe existing apart from your own awareness.

> > > > >

> > > > > Death doesn't end life because life is being aware.

> > > > >

> > > > > Death is not the opposite of being aware.

> > > > >

> > > > > Death is the opposite of birth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus, birth and death don't contradict each other as one is aware.

> > > > >

> > > > > - Dan -

> > > >

> > > > P: From now on, I'm going to call you graffiti boy.

> > > > What urges to deface posts with your confused

> > > > paraphrasing?

> > >

> > >

> > > dabbo wants to be just like a REAL guru.

> > >

> > > LOL!

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> >

> > just having fun on an open list.

> >

> > pardon me!

> >

> > - D -

> > - D -

>

> P Haha! All graffiti boys do it for fun.

> Start your own threats. Can you come up

> with something to say on your own?

 

 

psst..Pete..

 

dabbo thinks he's not there..or here..or anywhere.

 

he has no own to come up with anything.

 

;-)

 

..b b.b.

[Guest guest]

< no shit dabbo.< you can't handle the truth.< .b b.b.

 

I'll bite! What is the truth? And why do you resort to so much name-calling and indulging in playing "here comes da judge" without offering a solution or providing an explanation why you label something "bullshit", etc?

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote:

>

>

> < no shit dabbo.

> < you can't handle the truth.

> < .b b.b.

>

 

 

>(mikey):

 

> I'll bite! What is the truth?

 

 

(.b b.b.):

 

i have no idea.

 

there is no such thing.

 

that's why it can't be handled.

 

what are you trying to bite on?

 

:-)

 

 

>(mikey):

 

> And why do you resort to so much name-calling and indulging in playing " here

comes da judge " without offering a solution or providing an explanation why you

label something " bullshit " , etc?

 

 

 

(.b b.b.)

 

there are no " solutions " .

 

there are no " problems " in need of " solutions " .

 

why not indulge in whatever i want to indulge in?

 

are you now going to judge baba as well?

 

everything is bullshit.

 

so what?

 

are you offended?

 

sorry..i don't like phony sanctimonious holier-than-thou bullshit.

 

i do however like funny bullshit.

 

hey!

 

come to think of it..or " It " (your Holiness)..

 

" phony sanctimonious holier-than-thou bullshit " ..

 

is pretty damn funny in it's own right.

 

LOL!

 

..b b.b.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen wrote:

>

> After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I just

finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this discussion

group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> Kind Regards,

> Eric

>

 

The direction you are looking for is your drug that will give you the comfort.

All spiritual paths are models of reality and they all offer a promise of

eternity. Nonduality is no different but its subtle promise of eternity is at

impersonal level. The identity of the dualistic mind, the identification with

the individual mind shifts to the universal, the impersonal beingness. For most

seekers of individual eternity who are looking for a ticket at the all inclusive

paradise resort at the after life, this provides no comfort.

 

Spiritual practice provides comfort for the individual mind in a similar way the

heroin addict gets his fix and he no longer cares. In other words the spiritual

practice only provides relief from the burden of awareness for the individual

mind.

 

The main difference between the atheist and nondual blabber is that for the

atheist the death is the last stop, with no ticket to the heavenly resort,

whereas for the nondual blabber death is when the surging wave splashes against

the ocean, hence ending the brief illusion of separation. It's only this wave

that briefly gains awareness and looks at the ocean in awe while imagining

itself as so special and looks for meaning and comfort in all this.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> >

> > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I just

finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this discussion

group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > Kind Regards,

> > Eric

> >

>

> The direction you are looking for is your drug that will give you the comfort.

All spiritual paths are models of reality and they all offer a promise of

eternity. Nonduality is no different but its subtle promise of eternity is at

impersonal level. The identity of the dualistic mind, the identification with

the individual mind shifts to the universal, the impersonal beingness. For most

seekers of individual eternity who are looking for a ticket at the all inclusive

paradise resort at the after life, this provides no comfort.

>

> Spiritual practice provides comfort for the individual mind in a similar way

the heroin addict gets his fix and he no longer cares. In other words the

spiritual practice only provides relief from the burden of awareness for the

individual mind.

>

> The main difference between the atheist and nondual blabber is that for the

atheist the death is the last stop, with no ticket to the heavenly resort,

whereas for the nondual blabber death is when the surging wave splashes against

the ocean, hence ending the brief illusion of separation. It's only this wave

that briefly gains awareness and looks at the ocean in awe while imagining

itself as so special and looks for meaning and comfort in all this.

>

 

 

Very nice, Hur.

 

Thanks.

 

And I love that expression 'nondual blabber'

 

Werner

[Guest guest]

> After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I just

finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this discussion

group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> Kind Regards,

> Eric

>

 

The direction you are looking for is your drug that will give you the comfort.

All spiritual paths are models of reality and they all offer a promise of

eternity. Nonduality is no different but its subtle promise of eternity is at

impersonal level. The identity of the dualistic mind, the identification with

the individual mind shifts to the universal, the impersonal beingness. For most

seekers of individual eternity who are looking for a ticket at the all inclusive

paradise resort at the after life, this provides no comfort.

 

Spiritual practice provides comfort for the individual mind in a similar way the

heroin addict gets his fix and he no longer cares. In other words the spiritual

practice only provides relief from the burden of awareness for the individual

mind.

 

The main difference between the atheist and nondual blabber is that for the

atheist the death is the last stop, with no ticket to the heavenly resort,

whereas for the nondual blabber death is when the surging wave splashes against

the ocean, hence ending the brief illusion of separation. It's only this wave

that briefly gains awareness and looks at the ocean in awe while imagining

itself as so special and looks for meaning and comfort in all this.

 

 

except that this your mentionned individual people of " spiritual practise " only

exist by/through of you own personal mind.......

 

it's ok...

 

no need for further " nondual blabber "

 

 

Marc

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " khufumen " <khufumen@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > After reading " I am That " , I picked up " The Ultimate Medicine " which I

just finished reading and I find myself a bit confused and turn to this

discussion group for help in understanding something that has been bothering me.

Nisargadatta tells us that our body is food and that the vital force and

consciousness and the " I am-ness disappear when the body dies, similar to going

into a deep slumber. My question then is what seperates a sage from a pirate at

the time their body dies? Why bother with spiritual practices if at our death

our consciouness, knowledge, happiness, suffering, etc. disappears. It seems

that the atheist who sees death as the end of consciousness, beingness,

existance, etc is no different than what Nisargadatta seems to be saying. Surely

I am missing something. Looking for some direction.

> > > > Kind Regards,

> > > > Eric

> > >

> > > Yes, missing the oceanic allness that you are, that Nisargadatta calls

" awareness " - sometimes referred to as " nothing " (no-thing).

> >

> >

> >

> > Ah - I had not read this before I wrote the previous message.

> >

> > Awareness is something - not nothing.

> >

> > Think again

> >

> > -Lene

>

> What is there to think about?

>

> Something and nothing are not different.

>

> Any something is nothing.

>

> Nothing is all things.

>

> - Dan -

 

 

 

Ney, Dan --- the point is that there is NOT something,

there is NOT any thing, including a mysterious beyond

all things -- like in a thing which is not a thing --

that is all nonsense - that mysterious unnamable also

is NOT. Does NOT exist. There is NO such as a known or

unknown or unknowable.

 

There really really is NOT any thing -- outside of the

image and the image certainly is not a thing nor is it

a no thing or a beyond thing and no thing.

 

Bottom line is therefore ...

 

Relax - I did not get it till recently - so just stay

cool and calm and give baba some punches from me, you

know, just for the fun of it - but be subtle for that

is he - behind the Joker's superficialfacalianfaces

 

Sorry - I thought I had stopped teaching but can tell

it is not the case - pardonnez-moi.

 

Have you read any of the suttas? If not do be do. Read

the Heart Sutra - over and over and over - it is brief

and to the point. Read it, until you disppear from the

non-existing surface of the non-existing earth.

 

It is the only sutra I can recommend because it is the

only one I have read. The Diamond Sutra is endless and

complicated, so don't bother. Keep it simple and neat.

 

-Lene

[Guest guest]

> < no shit dabbo.> < you can't handle the truth.> < .b b.b.> >(mikey):> I'll bite! What is the truth? (.b b.b.):i have no idea.there is no such thing.

*****Then why would you say "you can't handle the truth" if there is no such thing?that's why it can't be handled.what are you trying to bite on?

*****Yet another accusatory assumptive indulgence on your part!:-)>(mikey):> And why do you resort to so much name-calling and indulging in playing "here comes da judge" without offering a solution or providing an explanation why you label something "bullshit", etc?(.b b.b.)there are no "solutions".*****Sure there are. Ever tie your shoe to keep it from falling off?there are no "problems" in need of "solutions".

*****Would you feel this way if you were a father of a baby that is sick or starving?

 

why not indulge in whatever i want to indulge in?*****Well, in your case, you simply can't help yourself. You *are* the activity of indulence.are you now going to judge baba as well?*****Nah! No need to. You've already said that you're "bullshit" as evidence by your following remark.everything is bullshit.so what?*****So what indeed.are you offended?*****Would you like me to be?sorry..i don't like phony sanctimonious holier-than-thou bullshit.

*****Seems as if you don't like anything at all...which begs the question, do you like anything at all? And if so, what....beside what you think is "funny bullshit"? By the way, what is "funny bullshit"?i do however like funny bullshit.hey!come to think of it..or "It" (your Holiness).."phony sanctimonious holier-than-thou bullshit"..is pretty damn funny in it's own right.LOL!

*****Perhaps it's good that you "LOL" since that may very well be the only sound of laughter happening.

LIS!.b b.b.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote:

>

>

> > < no shit dabbo.

> > < you can't handle the truth.

> > < .b b.b.

> >

>

> >(mikey):

 

> > I'll bite! What is the truth?

 

 

 

> (.b b.b.):

> i have no idea.

 

> there is no such thing.

 

 

>(mikey):

 

> *****Then why would you say " you can't handle the truth " if there is no such

thing?

 

 

(.b b.b.):

 

read below mikey.

 

 

> " that's why it can't be handled. "

 

 

 

 

(.b b.b.)

 

get it now mikey?

 

 

 

 

> what are you trying to bite on?

 

> :-)

 

 

 

(mikey):

 

 

> *****Yet another accusatory assumptive indulgence on your part!

 

 

 

(.b b.b.):

 

 

cry me a river mikey.

 

please review the above from the top..

 

you said:

 

" I'll bite! What is the truth? "

 

LOL!

 

you're too concerned about accusations.

 

and then you assume to indulge in accusing others..

 

of what you yourself are guilty of having done.

 

and quite out of order i must say.

 

bad little boy mikey!

 

:-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

> >(mikey):

>

> > And why do you resort to so much name-calling and indulging in playing " here

comes da judge " without offering a solution or providing an explanation why you

label something " bullshit " , etc?

 

 

 

> (.b b.b.)

>

> there are no " solutions " .

 

 

 

>(mikey):

 

> *****Sure there are. Ever tie your shoe to keep it from falling off?

 

 

(.b b.b.):

 

i guess for children..

 

tying their shoes incorrectly is a big problem.

 

do your little pals laugh at you for that mikey?

 

it's not really a big problem at all little lad.

 

it's just a bit awkward.

 

no problem.

 

learn to tie it right.

 

this will actually come easily when you grow up mikey.

 

 

 

>(.b b.b.):

 

> there are no " problems " in need of " solutions " .

 

 

 

>(mikey):

 

> *****Would you feel this way if you were a father of a baby that is sick or

starving?

 

 

 

(.b b.b.):

 

i'm not..... so i don't know how i'd feel..

 

thus frankly it doesn't matter.

 

did you know that on a mountain in Central Asia..

 

trekkers cause the extinction of two or more insect species..

 

almost every day!

 

...by crushing out the last vestiges of the few that are left alive.

 

in your world..does that matter?

 

if it's not part of your world it can't possibly.

 

you can make a cause out of it for sure..

 

you can protest and rail and get all hot and bothered..

 

but in the end and from the beginning..

 

that means the total of diddly squat.

 

it's NOT a problem.

 

grow up!

 

and why must you resort to such maudlin examples?

 

anyway mikey..

 

what would be the " solution " to your proposed " problem " ?

 

it wouldn't have anything to do with the way i " felt " ..

 

and as someone once said:

 

give a man a fish and you feed him a meal..

 

teach him to fish and he'll eat on his own.

 

anyone can learn to fish mikey.

 

see..no problem in need of solution..

 

just some common sense and doing what needs to be done.

 

 

 

 

 

>(.b b.b.):

 

> why not indulge in whatever i want to indulge in?

 

 

>(mikey):

 

> *****Well, in your case, you simply can't help yourself. You *are* the

activity of indulence.

 

 

 

(.b b.b.):

 

and YOU are not???

 

hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

 

you really are deluded mikey.

 

kinda like dabbo..

 

you think you're " Holy " and better than someone else.

 

well..

 

actually you're an asshole just like everyone else.

 

suck it up and live with it.

 

don't get so f*cking judgmental and sanctimonious.

 

your bullshit piousness and correctness is funny as hell yes..but..

 

it's also a little sickening.

 

come down from your high horse little Prince Charming.

 

it's ridiculous and your sh*t stinks too sonny.

 

LOL!

 

 

 

 

>(.b b.b.):

 

> are you now going to judge baba as well?

 

 

 

> *****Nah! No need to. You've already said that you're " bullshit " as evidence

by your following remark.

> everything is bullshit.

 

 

 

(.b b.b.):

 

:-)

 

that's right!

 

exactly so!

 

but here you are judging that as something to be looked down upon.

 

you're lost mikey.

 

and you too are bullshit.

 

chill out kid.

 

quit puckering up your asshole.

 

have a few laughs.

 

you're so tight and stressed you're going to give yourself an ulcer.

 

it's fun being a filthy animal.

 

but i know you want to come of as an angel.

 

you don't stupid!

 

you just come off as the prude you are.

 

now say 3 our Fathers and 2 Hail Marys and drink some Holy Water.

 

LOL!

 

 

 

>(.b b.b)

 

> so what?

 

>(mikey):

 

> *****So what indeed.

 

 

 

(.b b.b.):

 

you don't have to affirm what i've just said.

 

i don't need you or your confirmations.

 

and truly i don't care about what you think

 

indeed!(OMG!)

 

(hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa!)

 

 

 

>(.b b.b.):

 

> are you offended?

 

 

>(mikey):

 

> *****Would you like me to be?

 

 

(.b b.b.):

 

read the above and try and figure kit out for yourself mikey.

 

LOL!

 

 

>(.b b.b.):

 

> sorry..i don't like phony sanctimonious holier-than-thou bullshit.

 

 

>(mikey):

 

> *****Seems as if you don't like anything at all...which begs the question, do

you like anything at all?

 

 

(.b b.b.)

 

what is it to you if i do or don't like anything?

 

well in pity for your " need to know " ..(begging so)..let me say..

 

yes i like a a whole bunch of bunches of stuff..

 

like this here.

 

it really is fun to see you so red hot and bothered..

 

and inept and incapable of making anything stick.

 

it's amazing how flustered you holier than thou types get..

 

when your mark is called..

 

and you start floundering around in desperation.

 

and then you start calling others names.

 

and making false accusations..

 

and generally painting yourself into a corner screaming and whining..

 

saying that it's those you oppose who are " in the wrong " .

 

LOL!

 

go ahead mikey!

 

beat yourself up.

 

it's a hoot to watch!

 

:-)

 

 

 

 

>(mikey):

 

And if so, what....beside what you think is " funny bullshit " ? By the way, what

is " funny bullshit " ?

 

 

 

(.b b.b.):

 

look in the mirror mikey..

 

the answer will be right before your eyes..looking back at you.

 

:-)

 

 

>(.b b.b.):

> i do however like funny bullshit.

 

> hey!

 

> come to think of it..or " It " (your Holiness)..

 

> " phony sanctimonious holier-than-thou bullshit " ..

 

> is pretty damn funny in it's own right.

 

> LOL!

 

 

>(mikey):

 

> *****Perhaps it's good that you " LOL " since that may very well be the only

sound of laughter happening.

 

 

(.b b.b.):

 

oh i don't think so mikey.

 

but you like illusions so go ahead and indulge yourself.

 

LOL!

 

 

>(mikey):

 

> LIS!

 

 

(.b b.b.)

 

mikey 'tis you who are Lost in Space.

 

and you seem so mad too.

 

thanks for the giggles spaceboy.

 

:-)

 

..b b.b.