Guest guest Report post Posted September 25, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Friday, September 25, 2009 10:18 AM Re: NDS, Toomb, Anna & Pete Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > It is really so simple. The astonishing fact of existence!!! What else do > we want? Any simple person, sitting in a veranda...with some tranquility > can came upon this - really! Just a kind of a mind game to point to this > simple but amazing fact: existence/being - contrasting with the impossible > non-existence/non-being. A physical analogy (just an analogy) would be a > bubble of existence in the vastness of non-existence (again, just a visual > impossible analogy). Introjecting this analogy, plus a quite mind.....is > it not simple and amazing? Should we call it absolute-amazement? LOL LOL > > -geo- With no reference to thought or memory, where is any mind? Prior to your conception by your mother and father, what astonishment did you feel? What sense of existence did you have? And yet: this is. - D - Why do you ask: Prior to your conception by your mother and father, what astonishment did you feel? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090923-0, 23/09/2009 Tested on: 25/9/2009 10:24:18 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Why do you ask: Prior to your conception by your mother and father, what > astonishment did you feel? > -geo- 1) A variation on the Zen koan: What was your original face before you were conceived by your parents? 2) A variation on statements made by Nisargadatta about how he never was born; that who he is, is not dependent on having been conceived physically; that even the most basic sense of " I am " is released. 3) Mostly, because inquiry involves understanding that doesn't depend on feelings or even the most simple sense of existing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 25, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Friday, September 25, 2009 10:42 AM Re: NDS, Toomb, Anna & Pete Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Why do you ask: Prior to your conception by your mother and father, what > astonishment did you feel? > -geo- 1) A variation on the Zen koan: What was your original face before you were conceived by your parents? 2) A variation on statements made by Nisargadatta about how he never was born; that who he is, is not dependent on having been conceived physically; that even the most basic sense of " I am " is released. 3) Mostly, because inquiry involves understanding that doesn't depend on feelings or even the most simple sense of existing. -d- But it seems that the body/mind must participate in this understanding (what a sensless statement...). And the body/mind feels, perceives, senses...it may even fell emotions... -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090923-0, 23/09/2009 Tested on: 25/9/2009 10:47:45 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , <alesadamek wrote: > > > There is a reason that those who understand don't hang out together. > > toombaru > > ____________ > > > Nisargadatta, Ranjit, Kasidheshwar, Bainath and other codisciples of Siddharameshwar and also Gurus (Guru-bhandus) meet together during some celebration in Bombay, Bhagevadi, Patrhi, Inchigiri - just to celebrate Guru purnima, Jayanthi or Punyathithi of thei Master of Master of ther Master. In India it has tradition and nothing unnatural in it. > > So Stefan Wollinsky invited others to celebrate Maharaj and his unique teaching. Stefan is my co-disciple, if this occassion in California would be focused on singing bhajans, listening teaching of my Guru, prostration, puja, aratis, I would also come > > Jai Guru > > Ales > Nisargadatta didn't teach people to band together in a cult following. Followers are followers. If you want this thing......you will have to leave all your teachers behind and strike out into the Great Unknown-Unknowable......alone. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:42 AM > Re: NDS, Toomb, Anna & Pete > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > Why do you ask: Prior to your conception by your mother and father, what > > astonishment did you feel? > > -geo- > > 1) A variation on the Zen koan: What was your original face before you were > conceived by your parents? > > 2) A variation on statements made by Nisargadatta about how he never was > born; that who he is, is not dependent on having been conceived physically; > that even the most basic sense of " I am " is released. > > 3) Mostly, because inquiry involves understanding that doesn't depend on > feelings or even the most simple sense of existing. > -d- > > But it seems that the body/mind must participate in this understanding (what > a sensless statement...). And the body/mind feels, perceives, senses...it > may even fell emotions... > -geo- There isn't any participant in. Nor any participant out. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:42 AM > > Re: NDS, Toomb, Anna & Pete > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Why do you ask: Prior to your conception by your mother and father, what > > > astonishment did you feel? > > > -geo- > > > > 1) A variation on the Zen koan: What was your original face before you were > > conceived by your parents? > > > > 2) A variation on statements made by Nisargadatta about how he never was > > born; that who he is, is not dependent on having been conceived physically; > > that even the most basic sense of " I am " is released. > > > > 3) Mostly, because inquiry involves understanding that doesn't depend on > > feelings or even the most simple sense of existing. > > -d- > > > > But it seems that the body/mind must participate in this understanding (what > > a sensless statement...). And the body/mind feels, perceives, senses...it > > may even fell emotions... > > -geo- > > There isn't any participant in. > > Nor any participant out. > > > - D - Yup... there's nothing outside this, and so nothing inside this. I know you like to say the opposite, that there's nothing inside, and so nothing outside... same difference :-p. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:42 AM > > > Re: NDS, Toomb, Anna & Pete > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you ask: Prior to your conception by your mother and father, what > > > > astonishment did you feel? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > 1) A variation on the Zen koan: What was your original face before you were > > > conceived by your parents? > > > > > > 2) A variation on statements made by Nisargadatta about how he never was > > > born; that who he is, is not dependent on having been conceived physically; > > > that even the most basic sense of " I am " is released. > > > > > > 3) Mostly, because inquiry involves understanding that doesn't depend on > > > feelings or even the most simple sense of existing. > > > -d- > > > > > > But it seems that the body/mind must participate in this understanding (what > > > a sensless statement...). And the body/mind feels, perceives, senses...it > > > may even fell emotions... > > > -geo- > > > > There isn't any participant in. > > > > Nor any participant out. > > > > > > - D - > > Yup... there's nothing outside this, and so nothing inside this. > > I know you like to say the opposite, that there's nothing inside, and so nothing outside... same difference :-p. I like to say, " how can you laugh, when you know I'm down? " - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:42 AM > > > > Re: NDS, Toomb, Anna & Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you ask: Prior to your conception by your mother and father, what > > > > > astonishment did you feel? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > 1) A variation on the Zen koan: What was your original face before you were > > > > conceived by your parents? > > > > > > > > 2) A variation on statements made by Nisargadatta about how he never was > > > > born; that who he is, is not dependent on having been conceived physically; > > > > that even the most basic sense of " I am " is released. > > > > > > > > 3) Mostly, because inquiry involves understanding that doesn't depend on > > > > feelings or even the most simple sense of existing. > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > But it seems that the body/mind must participate in this understanding (what > > > > a sensless statement...). And the body/mind feels, perceives, senses...it > > > > may even fell emotions... > > > > -geo- > > > > > > There isn't any participant in. > > > > > > Nor any participant out. > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > Yup... there's nothing outside this, and so nothing inside this. > > > > I know you like to say the opposite, that there's nothing inside, and so nothing outside... same difference :-p. > > I like to say, " how can you laugh, when you know I'm down? " > > - D - > Truth is we're quite arrogant with life, billions of life forms dying in us, around us and yet we keep on keeping on. Do we have any choice? ~A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:05 AM Re: NDS, Toomb, Anna & Pete Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:42 AM > > > Re: NDS, Toomb, Anna & Pete > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you ask: Prior to your conception by your mother and father, > > > > what > > > > astonishment did you feel? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > 1) A variation on the Zen koan: What was your original face before you > > > were > > > conceived by your parents? > > > > > > 2) A variation on statements made by Nisargadatta about how he never > > > was > > > born; that who he is, is not dependent on having been conceived > > > physically; > > > that even the most basic sense of " I am " is released. > > > > > > 3) Mostly, because inquiry involves understanding that doesn't depend > > > on > > > feelings or even the most simple sense of existing. > > > -d- > > > > > > But it seems that the body/mind must participate in this understanding > > > (what > > > a sensless statement...). And the body/mind feels, perceives, > > > senses...it > > > may even fell emotions... > > > -geo- > > > > There isn't any participant in. > > > > Nor any participant out. > > > > > > - D - > > Yup... there's nothing outside this, and so nothing inside this. > > I know you like to say the opposite, that there's nothing inside, and so > nothing outside... same difference :-p. I like to say, " how can you laugh, when you know I'm down? " - D - I am down.....I am really down... -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:05 AM > Re: NDS, Toomb, Anna & Pete > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:42 AM > > > > Re: NDS, Toomb, Anna & Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you ask: Prior to your conception by your mother and father, > > > > > what > > > > > astonishment did you feel? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > 1) A variation on the Zen koan: What was your original face before you > > > > were > > > > conceived by your parents? > > > > > > > > 2) A variation on statements made by Nisargadatta about how he never > > > > was > > > > born; that who he is, is not dependent on having been conceived > > > > physically; > > > > that even the most basic sense of " I am " is released. > > > > > > > > 3) Mostly, because inquiry involves understanding that doesn't depend > > > > on > > > > feelings or even the most simple sense of existing. > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > But it seems that the body/mind must participate in this understanding > > > > (what > > > > a sensless statement...). And the body/mind feels, perceives, > > > > senses...it > > > > may even fell emotions... > > > > -geo- > > > > > > There isn't any participant in. > > > > > > Nor any participant out. > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > Yup... there's nothing outside this, and so nothing inside this. > > > > I know you like to say the opposite, that there's nothing inside, and so > > nothing outside... same difference :-p. > > I like to say, " how can you laugh, when you know I'm down? " > > - D - > > I am down.....I am really down... > -geo- " So down and down and down and down and down we go ... Hurry my darling, we wouldn't want to be late, late for the show. Jimi Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2009 ~A wrote... < Truth is we're quite arrogant with life, billions of life forms dying in us, around us and yet we keep on keeping on.< Do we have any choice? I've heard it said that the body is made up of 100 trillion cells (give or take one or three) constantly struggling to stay healthy, repair themselves, duplicate, and carry out their intended functioning. If memory serves correctly, a hundred million or more die off in the process or are intentionally killed off (apoptosis) every day...so the body is a house of merciless slaughter all in the name of trying to stay alive (continue as a certain form and function). Deathing is birthing, ending is beginning, departing is arriving, ad infinitum it seems to me! ~M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:05 AM > > Re: NDS, Toomb, Anna & Pete > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:42 AM > > > > > Re: NDS, Toomb, Anna & Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you ask: Prior to your conception by your mother and father, > > > > > > what > > > > > > astonishment did you feel? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > 1) A variation on the Zen koan: What was your original face before you > > > > > were > > > > > conceived by your parents? > > > > > > > > > > 2) A variation on statements made by Nisargadatta about how he never > > > > > was > > > > > born; that who he is, is not dependent on having been conceived > > > > > physically; > > > > > that even the most basic sense of " I am " is released. > > > > > > > > > > 3) Mostly, because inquiry involves understanding that doesn't depend > > > > > on > > > > > feelings or even the most simple sense of existing. > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > But it seems that the body/mind must participate in this understanding > > > > > (what > > > > > a sensless statement...). And the body/mind feels, perceives, > > > > > senses...it > > > > > may even fell emotions... > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > There isn't any participant in. > > > > > > > > Nor any participant out. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Yup... there's nothing outside this, and so nothing inside this. > > > > > > I know you like to say the opposite, that there's nothing inside, and so > > > nothing outside... same difference :-p. > > > > I like to say, " how can you laugh, when you know I'm down? " > > > > - D - > > > > I am down.....I am really down... > > -geo- > > " So down and down and down > > and down and down we go ... > > Hurry my darling, > > we wouldn't want to be late, > > late for the show. > > Jimi Hendrix > P: You guys have nothing to say, but keep on saying, anyway. I know you hate to be alone fighting silence with unvoiced thoughts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > P: You guys have nothing to say, > but keep on saying, anyway. I know > you hate to be alone fighting silence > with unvoiced thoughts. Ya know that, eh? Got a camera hidden in my bedroom again? Sigh... time to check the walls for cracks & pinholes again :-p. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2009 - cerosoul Nisargadatta Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:56 PM Re: NDS, Toomb, Anna & Pete Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:05 AM > > Re: NDS, Toomb, Anna & Pete > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:42 AM > > > > > Re: NDS, Toomb, Anna & Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you ask: Prior to your conception by your mother and > > > > > > father, > > > > > > what > > > > > > astonishment did you feel? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > 1) A variation on the Zen koan: What was your original face before > > > > > you > > > > > were > > > > > conceived by your parents? > > > > > > > > > > 2) A variation on statements made by Nisargadatta about how he > > > > > never > > > > > was > > > > > born; that who he is, is not dependent on having been conceived > > > > > physically; > > > > > that even the most basic sense of " I am " is released. > > > > > > > > > > 3) Mostly, because inquiry involves understanding that doesn't > > > > > depend > > > > > on > > > > > feelings or even the most simple sense of existing. > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > But it seems that the body/mind must participate in this > > > > > understanding > > > > > (what > > > > > a sensless statement...). And the body/mind feels, perceives, > > > > > senses...it > > > > > may even fell emotions... > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > There isn't any participant in. > > > > > > > > Nor any participant out. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Yup... there's nothing outside this, and so nothing inside this. > > > > > > I know you like to say the opposite, that there's nothing inside, and > > > so > > > nothing outside... same difference :-p. > > > > I like to say, " how can you laugh, when you know I'm down? " > > > > - D - > > > > I am down.....I am really down... > > -geo- > > " So down and down and down > > and down and down we go ... > > Hurry my darling, > > we wouldn't want to be late, > > late for the show. > > Jimi Hendrix > P: You guys have nothing to say, but keep on saying, anyway. I know you hate to be alone fighting silence with unvoiced thoughts. geo> Yes...I'll be quiet like you are now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > P: You guys have nothing to say, > but keep on saying, anyway. I know > you hate to be alone fighting silence > with unvoiced thoughts. > > geo> Yes...I'll be quiet like you are now. Naah... *I'll* be quiet, like the both of y'alls are ;-D. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:05 AM > > > Re: NDS, Toomb, Anna & Pete > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:42 AM > > > > > > Re: NDS, Toomb, Anna & Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you ask: Prior to your conception by your mother and father, > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > astonishment did you feel? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) A variation on the Zen koan: What was your original face before you > > > > > > were > > > > > > conceived by your parents? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) A variation on statements made by Nisargadatta about how he never > > > > > > was > > > > > > born; that who he is, is not dependent on having been conceived > > > > > > physically; > > > > > > that even the most basic sense of " I am " is released. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Mostly, because inquiry involves understanding that doesn't depend > > > > > > on > > > > > > feelings or even the most simple sense of existing. > > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > > > But it seems that the body/mind must participate in this understanding > > > > > > (what > > > > > > a sensless statement...). And the body/mind feels, perceives, > > > > > > senses...it > > > > > > may even fell emotions... > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any participant in. > > > > > > > > > > Nor any participant out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > Yup... there's nothing outside this, and so nothing inside this. > > > > > > > > I know you like to say the opposite, that there's nothing inside, and so > > > > nothing outside... same difference :-p. > > > > > > I like to say, " how can you laugh, when you know I'm down? " > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > I am down.....I am really down... > > > -geo- > > > > " So down and down and down > > > > and down and down we go ... > > > > Hurry my darling, > > > > we wouldn't want to be late, > > > > late for the show. > > > > Jimi Hendrix > > > > P: You guys have nothing to say, > but keep on saying, anyway. I know > you hate to be alone fighting silence > with unvoiced thoughts. D: I know what you're up to. You're up to no good. You guys out there. I'm thinking about you and your thinking, you guys out there. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > D: I know what you're up to. > > You're up to no good. > > You guys out there. > > I'm thinking about you and your thinking, you guys out there. > > > > - D - I'm not out somewhere ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
