Guest guest Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 Hello there.Could and will you translate this from Rumis words into your own words and understanding If I am eager to be nothing before I know who I am I rob myself of my true being Well in the words of Alan Watts I am a quacking mess or in the words of Gurdjieff I am one particular " I " jumping from that to another 'I " an aggregate cluster of habits How am I robbing myself of true being when any substantial 'I " or sense of " I " doesn't really exist? About nothingness..Is this nothingness something more or other than a self loathing nothingness? It must be if it is nothing sense self loathing is still something..Self inflation, self loathing they are all something..So where do we go from here? How do you get off this merry go round other than do nothing and just sit in silence? Any translations or deep insight on this rumi passage would be appreciated. Thanks, Alan...new kid on the block of a , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > > If you are eager to be nothing > before you know who you are, > you rob yourself of your true being. > Until you understand nothingness > you will never know true Faith. > > - Rumi > > " Rumi - Whispers of the Beloved " > Selected and translated by > Azima Melita Kolin and Maryam Mafi > > -=-=-=-=- > > from NDS > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 Dear Alan, Much as I admire Rumi, we must remember he was teaching the devotional Islamic way of Sufiism. The meaning and stress of the words he uses may not be the same as in Advaita, and there is always the danger of a poor translation from the Persian original. Personally like you |I find the verse baffling. Best wishes, Alan --- On Mon, 25/8/08, alan kuntz <alan.kuntz wrote: alan kuntz <alan.kuntz Re: Rumi Date: Monday, 25 August, 2008, 9:52 PM Hello there.Could and will you translate this from Rumis words into your own words and understandingIf I am eager to be nothing before I know who I am I rob myself of my true beingWell in the words of Alan Watts I am a quacking messor in the words of Gurdjieff I am one particular "I" jumping from that to another 'I"an aggregate cluster of habitsHow am I robbing myself of true being when any substantial 'I" or sense of "I" doesn't really exist?About nothingness. .Is this nothingness something more or other than a self loathing nothingness? It must be if it is nothing sense self loathing is still something..Self inflation, self loathing they are all something..So where do we go from here? How do you get off this merry go round other than do nothing and just sit in silence?Any translations or deep insight on this rumi passage would be appreciated.Thanks, Alan...new kid on the block of a, "Era" <mi_nok wrote:>> > If you are eager to be nothing> before you know who you are,> you rob yourself of your true being.> Until you understand nothingness> you will never know true Faith.> > - Rumi> > "Rumi - Whispers of the Beloved"> Selected and translated by> Azima Melita Kolin and Maryam Mafi> > -=-=-=-=-> > from NDS> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 Hi Alan> Hello there.Could and will you translate this from Rumis words into > your own words and understanding"If you are eager to be nothing" let only Ramana's Self Be (small self is nothing)"before you know who you are, you rob yourself of your true being." until one does (the above) one is in the Maya of individum "Until you understand nothingness you will never know true Faith." Faith is surrender to God (Self) yosy would do a better job translating :-)> If I am eager to be nothing before I know who I am I rob myself of my > true being> > Well in the words of Alan Watts I am a quacking mess> or in the words of Gurdjieff I am one particular "I" jumping from > that to another 'I"> an aggregate cluster of habits> > How am I robbing myself of true being when any substantial 'I" or > sense of "I" doesn't really exist? with not surrendering imo Era> > About nothingness..Is this nothingness something more or other than a > self loathing nothingness? It must be if it is nothing sense self > loathing is still something..Self inflation, self loathing they are > all something..So where do we go from here? How do you get off this > merry go round other than do nothing and just sit in silence?> > Any translations or deep insight on this rumi passage would be > appreciated.> Thanks, Alan...new kid on the block of a>> > > > If you are eager to be nothing> > before you know who you are,> > you rob yourself of your true being.> > Until you understand nothingness> > you will never know true Faith.> > > > - Rumi> > > > "Rumi - Whispers of the Beloved"> > Selected and translated by> > Azima Melita Kolin and Maryam Mafi> > > > -=-=-=-=-> > > > from NDS> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Well I appreciate your your sincerity, honesty and integrity. Thank You, Alan K , Alan Jacobs <alanadamsjacobs wrote: > > Dear Alan, >  > Much as I admire Rumi, we must remember he was teaching the devotional Islamic way of Sufiism. The meaning and stress of the words he uses may not be the same as in Advaita, and there is always the danger of a poor translation from the Persian original. Personally like you |I find the verse baffling. >  > Best wishes, >  > Alan > > --- On Mon, 25/8/08, alan kuntz <alan.kuntz wrote: > > alan kuntz <alan.kuntz > Re: Rumi > > Monday, 25 August, 2008, 9:52 PM Hello there.Could and will you translate this from Rumis words into > your own words and understanding > > If I am eager to be nothing before I know who I am I rob myself of my > true being > > Well in the words of Alan Watts I am a quacking mess > or in the words of Gurdjieff I am one particular " I " jumping from > that to another 'I " > an aggregate cluster of habits > > How am I robbing myself of true being when any substantial 'I " or > sense of " I " doesn't really exist? > > About nothingness. .Is this nothingness something more or other than a > self loathing nothingness? It must be if it is nothing sense self > loathing is still something..Self inflation, self loathing they are > all something..So where do we go from here? How do you get off this > merry go round other than do nothing and just sit in silence? > > Any translations or deep insight on this rumi passage would be > appreciated. > Thanks, Alan...new kid on the block of a > , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > If you are eager to be nothing > > before you know who you are, > > you rob yourself of your true being. > > Until you understand nothingness > > you will never know true Faith. > > > > - Rumi > > > > " Rumi - Whispers of the Beloved " > > Selected and translated by > > Azima Melita Kolin and Maryam Mafi > > > > -=-=-=-=- > > > > from NDS > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Thanks Era Pretty helpful interpretation you said: " Until you understand nothingness you will never know true Faith. " Faith is surrender to God (Self) Yes and could probably mean when you get to nothingness you will find that it isn't an empty vacumn but a place of reconstruction and magical transformation and insight..So in a sense its not even faith but a knowing my two cents worth on that.Thanks yo for your time and help and input. Alan K , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > Hi Alan > > > > Hello there.Could and will you translate this from Rumis words into > > your own words and understanding > > " If you are eager to be nothing " > > let only Ramana's Self Be (small self is nothing) > > > " before you know who you are, > you rob yourself of your true being. " > > until one does (the above) one is in the Maya of individum > > " Until you understand nothingness > you will never know true Faith. " > > Faith is surrender to God (Self) > > > yosy would do a better job translating :-) > > > > > > If I am eager to be nothing before I know who I am I rob myself of my > > true being > > > > Well in the words of Alan Watts I am a quacking mess > > or in the words of Gurdjieff I am one particular " I " jumping from > > that to another 'I " > > an aggregate cluster of habits > > > > How am I robbing myself of true being when any substantial 'I " or > > sense of " I " doesn't really exist? > > with not surrendering imo > > Era > > > > > > About nothingness..Is this nothingness something more or other than a > > self loathing nothingness? It must be if it is nothing sense self > > loathing is still something..Self inflation, self loathing they are > > all something..So where do we go from here? How do you get off this > > merry go round other than do nothing and just sit in silence? > > > > Any translations or deep insight on this rumi passage would be > > appreciated. > > Thanks, Alan...new kid on the block of a > > > > > > > > If you are eager to be nothing > > > before you know who you are, > > > you rob yourself of your true being. > > > Until you understand nothingness > > > you will never know true Faith. > > > > > > - Rumi > > > > > > " Rumi - Whispers of the Beloved " > > > Selected and translated by > > > Azima Melita Kolin and Maryam Mafi > > > > > > -=-=-=-=- > > > > > > from NDS > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. Don't go back to sleep. You must ask for what you really want. Don't go back to sleep. People are going back and forth across the doorsill where the two worlds touch. The door is round and open. Don't go back to sleep. From 'Essential Rumi' by Coleman Barks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. > Don't go back to sleep. > > You must ask for what you really want. > Don't go back to sleep. > > People are going back and forth across the doorsill > where the two worlds touch. > > The door is round and open. > Don't go back to sleep. > > From 'Essential Rumi' > by Coleman Barks > There is no breeze, there is no dawn, there is nothing to ask for and noone to ask for anything, there is no sleep and no going back. There are no people and no doorsill, there is no door and no Rumi and no Coleman Barks. From the 'Essential non-dual rubbish and nonsense' Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > You must ask for what you really want. > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > People are going back and forth across the doorsill > > where the two worlds touch. > > > > The door is round and open. > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > From 'Essential Rumi' > > by Coleman Barks > > > > > There is no breeze, there is no dawn, there is nothing to ask for and noone to ask for anything, there is no sleep and no going back. > > There are no people and no doorsill, there is no door and no Rumi and no Coleman Barks. > > From the 'Essential non-dual rubbish and nonsense' > > Werner > good night Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > You must ask for what you really want. > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > People are going back and forth across the doorsill > > > where the two worlds touch. > > > > > > The door is round and open. > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > From 'Essential Rumi' > > > by Coleman Barks > > > > > > > > > There is no breeze, there is no dawn, there is nothing to ask for and noone to ask for anything, there is no sleep and no going back. > > > > There are no people and no doorsill, there is no door and no Rumi and no Coleman Barks. > > > > From the 'Essential non-dual rubbish and nonsense' > > > > Werner > > > > > good night Werner > > > ....and sleep well darling.. kiss good nite. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > You must ask for what you really want. > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > People are going back and forth across the doorsill > > > > where the two worlds touch. > > > > > > > > The door is round and open. > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > From 'Essential Rumi' > > > > by Coleman Barks > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no breeze, there is no dawn, there is nothing to ask for and noone to ask for anything, there is no sleep and no going back. > > > > > > There are no people and no doorsill, there is no door and no Rumi and no Coleman Barks. > > > > > > From the 'Essential non-dual rubbish and nonsense' > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > good night Werner > > > > > > > > > ...and sleep well darling.. kiss good nite. > > ~A > Werner is absorbed by the " essential non-dual rubbish and non-sense " - dream...... ONE....of/with this nice dreams..... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 - anabebe57 Nisargadatta Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:01 AM Re: Rumi Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > You must ask for what you really want. > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > People are going back and forth across the doorsill > > > where the two worlds touch. > > > > > > The door is round and open. > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > From 'Essential Rumi' > > > by Coleman Barks > > > > > > > > > There is no breeze, there is no dawn, there is nothing to ask for and > > noone to ask for anything, there is no sleep and no going back. > > > > There are no people and no doorsill, there is no door and no Rumi and no > > Coleman Barks. > > > > From the 'Essential non-dual rubbish and nonsense' > > > > Werner > > > > > good night Werner > > > ....and sleep well darling.. kiss good nite. ~A ....and dont forget your prozac, honey...take two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > anabebe57 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:01 AM > Re: Rumi > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > You must ask for what you really want. > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > People are going back and forth across the doorsill > > > > where the two worlds touch. > > > > > > > > The door is round and open. > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > From 'Essential Rumi' > > > > by Coleman Barks > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no breeze, there is no dawn, there is nothing to ask for and > > > noone to ask for anything, there is no sleep and no going back. > > > > > > There are no people and no doorsill, there is no door and no Rumi and no > > > Coleman Barks. > > > > > > From the 'Essential non-dual rubbish and nonsense' > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > good night Werner > > > > > > > > ...and sleep well darling.. kiss good nite. > > ~A > > ...and dont forget your prozac, honey...take two. > So, Werner, Geo, have you awakened yet? Feeling chipper or groggy from the prozac? Too bad most folks take the *easy* way out, which never deals with the real issues of being human. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > anabebe57 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:01 AM > > Re: Rumi > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > You must ask for what you really want. > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > People are going back and forth across the doorsill > > > > > where the two worlds touch. > > > > > > > > > > The door is round and open. > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > From 'Essential Rumi' > > > > > by Coleman Barks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no breeze, there is no dawn, there is nothing to ask for and > > > > noone to ask for anything, there is no sleep and no going back. > > > > > > > > There are no people and no doorsill, there is no door and no Rumi and no > > > > Coleman Barks. > > > > > > > > From the 'Essential non-dual rubbish and nonsense' > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > good night Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and sleep well darling.. kiss good nite. > > > > ~A > > > > ...and dont forget your prozac, honey...take two. > > > > > So, Werner, Geo, have you awakened yet? Feeling chipper or groggy > from the prozac? Pfff ... > > Too bad most folks take the *easy* way out, which never deals with > the real issues of being human. > Oops, real issue of human being ? Killing each other in innumerous wars and writing love poems, destroying this earth, sex, crime, drugs and rock'n roll, worshipping and praying to thousand of different gods, cunning minds cheating and exploting each other, etc etc etc ? Werner > ~A > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > anabebe57 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:01 AM > > > Re: Rumi > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. > > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > > > You must ask for what you really want. > > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > > > People are going back and forth across the doorsill > > > > > > where the two worlds touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > The door is round and open. > > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > > > From 'Essential Rumi' > > > > > > by Coleman Barks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no breeze, there is no dawn, there is nothing to ask for and > > > > > noone to ask for anything, there is no sleep and no going back. > > > > > > > > > > There are no people and no doorsill, there is no door and no Rumi and no > > > > > Coleman Barks. > > > > > > > > > > From the 'Essential non-dual rubbish and nonsense' > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good night Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and sleep well darling.. kiss good nite. > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > ...and dont forget your prozac, honey...take two. > > > > > > > > > So, Werner, Geo, have you awakened yet? Feeling chipper or groggy > > from the prozac? > > Pfff ... > > > > > > Too bad most folks take the *easy* way out, which never deals with > > the real issues of being human. > > > > > Oops, real issue of human being ? > > Killing each other in innumerous wars and writing love poems, destroying this earth, sex, crime, drugs and rock'n roll, worshipping and praying to thousand of different gods, cunning minds cheating and exploting each other, etc etc etc ? > > Werner > > > > ~A > > > Life is a poem of own making, Werner. Or not. Truth is truth, and no amount of Prozac or poetry can change it. I have not become so jaded or depressed to want to kill myself for being unable to change my world. Death will come soon enough. Knowing that is sanity. Sometimes that is all I can hope for. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > anabebe57 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:01 AM > > > > Re: Rumi > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. > > > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must ask for what you really want. > > > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People are going back and forth across the doorsill > > > > > > > where the two worlds touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The door is round and open. > > > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From 'Essential Rumi' > > > > > > > by Coleman Barks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no breeze, there is no dawn, there is nothing to ask for and > > > > > > noone to ask for anything, there is no sleep and no going back. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no people and no doorsill, there is no door and no Rumi and no > > > > > > Coleman Barks. > > > > > > > > > > > > From the 'Essential non-dual rubbish and nonsense' > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good night Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and sleep well darling.. kiss good nite. > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > ...and dont forget your prozac, honey...take two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Werner, Geo, have you awakened yet? Feeling chipper or groggy > > > from the prozac? > > > > Pfff ... > > > > > > > > > > Too bad most folks take the *easy* way out, which never deals with > > > the real issues of being human. > > > > > > > > > Oops, real issue of human being ? > > > > Killing each other in innumerous wars and writing love poems, destroying this earth, sex, crime, drugs and rock'n roll, worshipping and praying to thousand of different gods, cunning minds cheating and exploting each other, etc etc etc ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > Life is a poem of own making, Werner. Or not. Truth is truth, > and no amount of Prozac or poetry can change it. I have not become so jaded or depressed to want to kill myself for being unable to change my world. Death will come soon enough. > > Knowing that is sanity. Sometimes that is all I can hope for. > > ~A P: Oh cheer up. You're coming to CA. next month. Truths here are big here. People catch 100 pound truths sitting by the bay, everyday. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > anabebe57 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:01 AM > > > > > Re: Rumi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. > > > > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must ask for what you really want. > > > > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People are going back and forth across the doorsill > > > > > > > > where the two worlds touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The door is round and open. > > > > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From 'Essential Rumi' > > > > > > > > by Coleman Barks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no breeze, there is no dawn, there is nothing to ask for and > > > > > > > noone to ask for anything, there is no sleep and no going back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no people and no doorsill, there is no door and no Rumi and no > > > > > > > Coleman Barks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the 'Essential non-dual rubbish and nonsense' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good night Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and sleep well darling.. kiss good nite. > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > ...and dont forget your prozac, honey...take two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Werner, Geo, have you awakened yet? Feeling chipper or groggy > > > > from the prozac? > > > > > > Pfff ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too bad most folks take the *easy* way out, which never deals with > > > > the real issues of being human. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oops, real issue of human being ? > > > > > > Killing each other in innumerous wars and writing love poems, destroying this earth, sex, crime, drugs and rock'n roll, worshipping and praying to thousand of different gods, cunning minds cheating and exploting each other, etc etc etc ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life is a poem of own making, Werner. Or not. Truth is truth, > > and no amount of Prozac or poetry can change it. I have not become so jaded or depressed to want to kill myself for being unable to change my world. Death will come soon enough. > > > > Knowing that is sanity. Sometimes that is all I can hope for. > > > > ~A > > P: Oh cheer up. You're coming to CA. next month. > Truths here are big here. People catch 100 pound truths > sitting by the bay, everyday. > > > My windows are almost always open for the sea breeze to enter, for a songbird to be heard, Pete. And yes, I am looking forward to CA if ever I get this paperwork issue resolved. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 > > > > > > Knowing that is sanity. Sometimes that is all I can hope for. > > > > > > ~A > > > > P: Oh cheer up. You're coming to CA. next month. > > Truths here are big. People catch 100 pound truths > > sitting by the bay, everyday. > > > > > > > > My windows are almost always open for the sea breeze to enter, for a songbird to be heard, Pete. > > And yes, I am looking forward to CA if ever I get this paperwork issue resolved. > > ~A P: What paperwork tissue is that? Are on the toilet? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > You must ask for what you really want. > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > People are going back and forth across the doorsill > > where the two worlds touch. > > > > The door is round and open. > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > From 'Essential Rumi' > > by Coleman Barks > > > > > There is no breeze, there is no dawn, there is nothing to ask for and noone to ask for anything, there is no sleep and no going back. > > There are no people and no doorsill, there is no door and no Rumi and no Coleman Barks. > > From the 'Essential non-dual rubbish and nonsense' > > Werner If nonduality doesn't float yer boat, what would you like to talk about? What was for dinner tonight? Latest sports scores? Weather today in Waverly, Iowa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > You must ask for what you really want. > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > People are going back and forth across the doorsill > > > where the two worlds touch. > > > > > > The door is round and open. > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > From 'Essential Rumi' > > > by Coleman Barks > > > > > > > > > There is no breeze, there is no dawn, there is nothing to ask for and noone to ask for anything, there is no sleep and no going back. > > > > There are no people and no doorsill, there is no door and no Rumi and no Coleman Barks. > > > > From the 'Essential non-dual rubbish and nonsense' > > > > Werner > > If nonduality doesn't float yer boat, what would you like to talk about? > > What was for dinner tonight? Latest sports scores? Weather today in Waverly, Iowa? > Tim, Because this is a Maharaj list I would talk about the 'I am' and about self-knowledge and since I am on this list I am doing that already. Admitted, talking non-dual does much more and much better allow to demonstrate one's mental and intellectual brilliance. And that is the main thing most members here are interested in. And if there no longer is the excitement of showing and demonstrating their mental superiority and supremacy they will get afraid of having to talk about latest sports scores or weather today in Waverly, Iowa. Isn't it, Tim ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > You must ask for what you really want. > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > People are going back and forth across the doorsill > > > > where the two worlds touch. > > > > > > > > The door is round and open. > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > From 'Essential Rumi' > > > > by Coleman Barks > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no breeze, there is no dawn, there is nothing to ask for and noone to ask for anything, there is no sleep and no going back. > > > > > > There are no people and no doorsill, there is no door and no Rumi and no Coleman Barks. > > > > > > From the 'Essential non-dual rubbish and nonsense' > > > > > > Werner > > > > If nonduality doesn't float yer boat, what would you like to talk about? > > > > What was for dinner tonight? Latest sports scores? Weather today in Waverly, Iowa? > > > > > > Tim, > > Because this is a Maharaj list I would talk about the 'I am' and about > self-knowledge and since I am on this list I am doing that already. > > Admitted, talking non-dual does much more and much better allow to demonstrate one's mental and intellectual brilliance. And that is the main thing most members here are interested in. > > And if there no longer is the excitement of showing and demonstrating their mental superiority and supremacy they will get afraid of having to talk about latest sports scores or weather today in Waverly, Iowa. > > Isn't it, Tim ? > > Werner > After all is said and done, what is there? Chop wood. Carry water. And meet in the moment at hand. On the net I can meet you where we always are... In the oneness before the word (I Am) was made flesh. And in the twoness of experiencing one another. (In words, in feelings our words inspire.) Since I can't meet you over coffee and share our stories, I do the best I can. Keep the connection, so to speak. Unless and until I can't and you don't want to. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > You must ask for what you really want. > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > People are going back and forth across the doorsill > > > > > where the two worlds touch. > > > > > > > > > > The door is round and open. > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > From 'Essential Rumi' > > > > > by Coleman Barks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no breeze, there is no dawn, there is nothing to ask for and noone to ask for anything, there is no sleep and no going back. > > > > > > > > There are no people and no doorsill, there is no door and no Rumi and no Coleman Barks. > > > > > > > > From the 'Essential non-dual rubbish and nonsense' > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > If nonduality doesn't float yer boat, what would you like to talk about? > > > > > > What was for dinner tonight? Latest sports scores? Weather today in Waverly, Iowa? > > > > > > > > > > > Tim, > > > > Because this is a Maharaj list I would talk about the 'I am' and about > > self-knowledge and since I am on this list I am doing that already. > > > > Admitted, talking non-dual does much more and much better allow to demonstrate one's mental and intellectual brilliance. And that is the main thing most members here are interested in. > > > > And if there no longer is the excitement of showing and demonstrating their mental superiority and supremacy they will get afraid of having to talk about latest sports scores or weather today in Waverly, Iowa. > > > > Isn't it, Tim ? > > > > Werner > > > > > After all is said and done, what is there? > > Chop wood. Carry water. And meet in the moment at hand. > On the net I can meet you where we always are... In the > oneness before the word (I Am) was made flesh. ? Hm Anna, 'oneness before the word' ? Can you really experience that and be aware of it, or is this oneness just speculation, something you have read about ? I myself still am caught in the division between the observer and the observed and I am so sorry, I can't see and realize any 'oneness'. Werner > And in > the twoness of experiencing one another. (In words, in > feelings our words inspire.) > > Since I can't meet you over coffee and share our stories, > I do the best I can. Keep the connection, so to speak. > Unless and until I can't and you don't want to. > > ~A > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. > > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > > > You must ask for what you really want. > > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > > > People are going back and forth across the doorsill > > > > > > where the two worlds touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > The door is round and open. > > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > > > From 'Essential Rumi' > > > > > > by Coleman Barks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no breeze, there is no dawn, there is nothing to ask for and noone to ask for anything, there is no sleep and no going back. > > > > > > > > > > There are no people and no doorsill, there is no door and no Rumi and no Coleman Barks. > > > > > > > > > > From the 'Essential non-dual rubbish and nonsense' > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > If nonduality doesn't float yer boat, what would you like to talk about? > > > > > > > > What was for dinner tonight? Latest sports scores? Weather today in Waverly, Iowa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > Because this is a Maharaj list I would talk about the 'I am' and about > > > self-knowledge and since I am on this list I am doing that already. > > > > > > Admitted, talking non-dual does much more and much better allow to demonstrate one's mental and intellectual brilliance. And that is the main thing most members here are interested in. > > > > > > And if there no longer is the excitement of showing and demonstrating their mental superiority and supremacy they will get afraid of having to talk about latest sports scores or weather today in Waverly, Iowa. > > > > > > Isn't it, Tim ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > After all is said and done, what is there? > > > > Chop wood. Carry water. And meet in the moment at hand. > > On the net I can meet you where we always are... In the > > oneness before the word (I Am) was made flesh. ? > > > Hm Anna, 'oneness before the word' ? Can you really experience that and be aware of it, or is this oneness just speculation, something you have read about ? > > I myself still am caught in the division between the observer and the observed and I am so sorry, I can't see and realize any 'oneness'. > > Werner Neither can I Werner, it was an experience I once had... some of it still remains... when I feel it, it feels much like bliss. Nature still has that effect on me. ~A > > > > And in > > the twoness of experiencing one another. (In words, in > > feelings our words inspire.) > > > > Since I can't meet you over coffee and share our stories, > > I do the best I can. Keep the connection, so to speak. > > Unless and until I can't and you don't want to. > > > > ~A > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. > > > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You must ask for what you really want. > > > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People are going back and forth across the doorsill > > > > > > > where the two worlds touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The door is round and open. > > > > > > > Don't go back to sleep. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From 'Essential Rumi' > > > > > > > by Coleman Barks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no breeze, there is no dawn, there is nothing to ask for and noone to ask for anything, there is no sleep and no going back. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no people and no doorsill, there is no door and no Rumi and no Coleman Barks. > > > > > > > > > > > > From the 'Essential non-dual rubbish and nonsense' > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > If nonduality doesn't float yer boat, what would you like to talk about? > > > > > > > > > > What was for dinner tonight? Latest sports scores? Weather today in Waverly, Iowa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > > > Because this is a Maharaj list I would talk about the 'I am' and about > > > > self-knowledge and since I am on this list I am doing that already. > > > > > > > > Admitted, talking non-dual does much more and much better allow to demonstrate one's mental and intellectual brilliance. And that is the main thing most members here are interested in. > > > > > > > > And if there no longer is the excitement of showing and demonstrating their mental superiority and supremacy they will get afraid of having to talk about latest sports scores or weather today in Waverly, Iowa. > > > > > > > > Isn't it, Tim ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > After all is said and done, what is there? > > > > > > Chop wood. Carry water. And meet in the moment at hand. > > > On the net I can meet you where we always are... In the > > > oneness before the word (I Am) was made flesh. ? > > > > > > Hm Anna, 'oneness before the word' ? Can you really experience that and be aware of it, or is this oneness just speculation, something you have read about ? > > > > I myself still am caught in the division between the observer and the observed and I am so sorry, I can't see and realize any 'oneness'. > > > > Werner > > > > Neither can I Werner, it was an experience I once had... some of it still remains... when I feel it, it feels much like bliss. > > Nature still has that effect on me. > > ~A Thanks a lot for your honesty, Anna. Honesty is a much better ground one can start from to build one's house on than all the wildest day-dreams and hopes ever can offer. Especially confusing one's intellectual knowledge collected from books with already having attained does happen so often that one gets the impression that all this lists and fora are full with enlightened people. Werner > > > > > > > > > > And in > > > the twoness of experiencing one another. (In words, in > > > feelings our words inspire.) > > > > > > Since I can't meet you over coffee and share our stories, > > > I do the best I can. Keep the connection, so to speak. > > > Unless and until I can't and you don't want to. > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > > Neither can I Werner, it was an experience I once had... some of it still remains... when I feel it, it feels much like bliss. > > > > Nature still has that effect on me. > > > > ~A > > > Thanks a lot for your honesty, Anna. > > Honesty is a much better ground one can start from to build one's house on than all the wildest day-dreams and hopes ever can offer. > > Especially confusing one's intellectual knowledge collected from books with already having attained does happen so often that one gets the impression that all this lists and fora are full with enlightened people. > > Werner To be brutally honest with oneself is to live in the light of self-awareness. After a while, one can see one's own imperfections and not make false accusations/projections. ;-) Much love, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 > > Hm Anna, 'oneness before the word' ? Can you really experience that and be aware of it, or is this oneness just speculation, something you have read about ? > > I myself still am caught in the division between the observer and the observed and I am so sorry, I can't see and realize any 'oneness'. > > Werner > A shadow cannot experience the sun. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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