Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " fix123br " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dan330033

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:06 PM

> > > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > dan330033

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:51 PM

> > > > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > geo

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:18 PM

> > > > > > Re: Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the

Past

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > wwoehr

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:07 PM

> > > > > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Geo,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Instead of constantly posting new little 'mental suprises' better

stop

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > while your intellectual clowning and answer your questions

yourself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your request - as you say - is comming from consciousness, memory,

the

> > > > > > > past, full of prejudices and pre-conceptions. I am not interested.

> > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Which means you will go on clowning, Geo ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Werner

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Werner, is consciousness, the past, memory, able to look at itself?

Is

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > looking not from the past and so meningless?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > See? When you say that all is consciousness, that statement is the

past,

> > > > > > memory.....so has no value, is meaningless.

> > > > > > -geo-

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also true of your statement: " that statement is the past, memory ...

so

> > > > > has

> > > > > no value, is meaningless. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Also true of this statement being made in my post.

> > > > >

> > > > > What do you make of this statement:

> > > > >

> > > > > " This statement is meaningless. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Does it have meaning?

> > > > >

> > > > > Does it lack meaning?

> > > > >

> > > > > - D -

> > > > >

> > > > > You are thinking. Seeing is not thought.. Seeing is not consciosness.

> > > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > > > Seeing is not your statements.

> > > >

> > > > Seeing is not me or you.

> > > >

> > > > Seeing is not the word seeing.

> > > >

> > > > There is neither seeing nor is there any lack of seeing.

> > > >

> > > > Is and is not have no application.

> > > >

> > > > Yes or no don't apply.

> > > >

> > > > - D -

> > > >

> > > > Yes, but it is not correct to say that one is just clowning - as werner

> > > > suggested - until silence is crying. Usually clowning does not lead to

> > > > silence.

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Geo -

> > >

> > > Nothing leads to silence.

> > >

> > > Silence is.

> > >

> > > Everything " else " dissolves and dies its natural death.

> > >

> > > As there is nothing else.

> > >

> > > There is only the dying into/as this stillness.

> > >

> > > To think there is anything else, is a kind of self-distraction and

avoidance.

> > >

> > > Of course, dialogues on this list can be used as distraction, but so can

just about anything.

> > >

> > > Being clear, distractions lose their power to offer any distraction.

> > >

> > > One is aware that there is no such thing as a distraction or an

impediment, that the attempt at self-distraction is contradictory and unreal.

> > >

> > > - D -

> >

> > Words arise as waves, sort of fluctuate for a while and fade away back into

the silent ocean from where they came from.

> >

> > The werner affair is just a joke.

> > -geo-

>

>

> Yes, Werner's fun to have around.

>

> Enjoying all the " manifestations " of consciousness, in its infinite

variations,

>

> - D -

Namaste,

 

Enjoy this and then worry about the mind....Tony O

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

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> > Nisargadatta , " fix123br " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > dan330033

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:06 PM

> > > > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > dan330033

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:51 PM

> > > > > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > geo

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:18 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the

Past

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > wwoehr

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:07 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the

Past

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Geo,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Instead of constantly posting new little 'mental suprises'

better stop

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > while your intellectual clowning and answer your questions

yourself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your request - as you say - is comming from consciousness,

memory, the

> > > > > > > > past, full of prejudices and pre-conceptions. I am not

interested.

> > > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Which means you will go on clowning, Geo ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Werner, is consciousness, the past, memory, able to look at

itself? Is

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > looking not from the past and so meningless?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > See? When you say that all is consciousness, that statement is the

past,

> > > > > > > memory.....so has no value, is meaningless.

> > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also true of your statement: " that statement is the past, memory ...

so

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > no value, is meaningless. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also true of this statement being made in my post.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What do you make of this statement:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " This statement is meaningless. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Does it have meaning?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Does it lack meaning?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - D -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are thinking. Seeing is not thought.. Seeing is not

consciosness.

> > > > > > -geo-

> > > > >

> > > > > Seeing is not your statements.

> > > > >

> > > > > Seeing is not me or you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Seeing is not the word seeing.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is neither seeing nor is there any lack of seeing.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is and is not have no application.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes or no don't apply.

> > > > >

> > > > > - D -

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, but it is not correct to say that one is just clowning - as

werner

> > > > > suggested - until silence is crying. Usually clowning does not lead to

> > > > > silence.

> > > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Geo -

> > > >

> > > > Nothing leads to silence.

> > > >

> > > > Silence is.

> > > >

> > > > Everything " else " dissolves and dies its natural death.

> > > >

> > > > As there is nothing else.

> > > >

> > > > There is only the dying into/as this stillness.

> > > >

> > > > To think there is anything else, is a kind of self-distraction and

avoidance.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, dialogues on this list can be used as distraction, but so can

just about anything.

> > > >

> > > > Being clear, distractions lose their power to offer any distraction.

> > > >

> P: Good to see that posting has not lost its

> entertaining value for you. What other reason

> would you have to post? You don't think people

> are getting enlightened by your song and dance,

> do you? )

 

D: If you need a reason, feel free to invent one that suits you.

 

You're a funny guy. You tell me there aren't any explanations,

then you want an explanation for my behavior.

 

Very funny fellow.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " fix123br " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > dan330033

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:06 PM

> > > > > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > dan330033

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:51 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the

Past

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > geo

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:18 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is

the Past

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > wwoehr

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:07 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the

Past

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Geo,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Instead of constantly posting new little 'mental suprises'

better stop

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > while your intellectual clowning and answer your questions

yourself.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Your request - as you say - is comming from consciousness,

memory, the

> > > > > > > > > past, full of prejudices and pre-conceptions. I am not

interested.

> > > > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Which means you will go on clowning, Geo ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Werner, is consciousness, the past, memory, able to look at

itself? Is

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > looking not from the past and so meningless?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > See? When you say that all is consciousness, that statement is

the past,

> > > > > > > > memory.....so has no value, is meaningless.

> > > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also true of your statement: " that statement is the past, memory

.... so

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > no value, is meaningless. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also true of this statement being made in my post.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What do you make of this statement:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " This statement is meaningless. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Does it have meaning?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Does it lack meaning?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > - D -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are thinking. Seeing is not thought.. Seeing is not

consciosness.

> > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Seeing is not your statements.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Seeing is not me or you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Seeing is not the word seeing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is neither seeing nor is there any lack of seeing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is and is not have no application.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes or no don't apply.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - D -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, but it is not correct to say that one is just clowning - as

werner

> > > > > > suggested - until silence is crying. Usually clowning does not lead

to

> > > > > > silence.

> > > > > > -geo-

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Geo -

> > > > >

> > > > > Nothing leads to silence.

> > > > >

> > > > > Silence is.

> > > > >

> > > > > Everything " else " dissolves and dies its natural death.

> > > > >

> > > > > As there is nothing else.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is only the dying into/as this stillness.

> > > > >

> > > > > To think there is anything else, is a kind of self-distraction and

avoidance.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, dialogues on this list can be used as distraction, but so

can just about anything.

> > > > >

> > > > > Being clear, distractions lose their power to offer any distraction.

> > > > >

> > P: Good to see that posting has not lost its

> > entertaining value for you. What other reason

> > would you have to post? You don't think people

> > are getting enlightened by your song and dance,

> > do you? )

>

> D: If you need a reason, feel free to invent one that suits you.

>

> You're a funny guy. You tell me there aren't any explanations,

> then you want an explanation for my behavior.

>

> Very funny fellow.

>

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dan330033

Nisargadatta

Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:40 PM

Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

 

 

Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > What knowledge dan? What is the nature of knowledge you are referring

> > > to? Is

> > > there need for knowledge for a seeing that already is? What is it that

> > > says

> > > " this or that is knowledge, the past " ? More knowledge? Existence is

> > > knowledge to what extent?

> > > -geo-

> >

> >

> > All questions stop.

> >

> > They can't be had here.

> >

> > Not in or from this total stillness.

> >

> > Definitions, explanations, using words to show something or get

> > something ... all of that dries up and like dust is done with.

> >

> > - D -

>

> Obviously, none of this talk touches or makes a dent on the " emotional

> attachment " that is responsible for the " conceptual storm " Toom mentioned.

>

> Only awareness.

 

D: From my experience, I'd say that words can play a role to some extent in

understanding what doesn't work, and not looking where looking won't help.

 

But yes, one who is " thrown back " only to present being and awareness has

the happen because it can't be helped. It is timing, not someone else's

words. It is not caused by something or someone from outside.

 

As we've noted here before, it is a crisis. I guess you could say it is a

crisis for the sense of a directional being (being towards the future, being

that anticipates the future, being that involves a sense of control). Also

being that is directed from inside reacting to outside. That directional

being and awareness is imbedded culturally, and through language and memory

use (to project a future and imagine a personal past).

 

Unless there is a significant crisis to the sense of directed being, I'm not

sure how so-called centerless awareness/being would be appreciable.

 

What's interesting as I'm writing this is noticing the extent of the

deepening crisis " in the world " - which implies simultaneously a time when

" awakening " may be available concomittently.

 

- D -

 

Have you read anything from Gurdjieff yet?

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " fix123br " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > dan330033

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:06 PM

> > > > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > dan330033

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:51 PM

> > > > > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > geo

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:18 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the

Past

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > wwoehr

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:07 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the

Past

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Geo,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Instead of constantly posting new little 'mental suprises'

better stop

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > while your intellectual clowning and answer your questions

yourself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your request - as you say - is comming from consciousness,

memory, the

> > > > > > > > past, full of prejudices and pre-conceptions. I am not

interested.

> > > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Which means you will go on clowning, Geo ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Werner, is consciousness, the past, memory, able to look at

itself? Is

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > looking not from the past and so meningless?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > See? When you say that all is consciousness, that statement is the

past,

> > > > > > > memory.....so has no value, is meaningless.

> > > > > > > -geo-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also true of your statement: " that statement is the past, memory ...

so

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > no value, is meaningless. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also true of this statement being made in my post.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What do you make of this statement:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " This statement is meaningless. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Does it have meaning?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Does it lack meaning?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - D -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are thinking. Seeing is not thought.. Seeing is not

consciosness.

> > > > > > -geo-

> > > > >

> > > > > Seeing is not your statements.

> > > > >

> > > > > Seeing is not me or you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Seeing is not the word seeing.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is neither seeing nor is there any lack of seeing.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is and is not have no application.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes or no don't apply.

> > > > >

> > > > > - D -

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, but it is not correct to say that one is just clowning - as

werner

> > > > > suggested - until silence is crying. Usually clowning does not lead to

> > > > > silence.

> > > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Geo -

> > > >

> > > > Nothing leads to silence.

> > > >

> > > > Silence is.

> > > >

> > > > Everything " else " dissolves and dies its natural death.

> > > >

> > > > As there is nothing else.

> > > >

> > > > There is only the dying into/as this stillness.

> > > >

> > > > To think there is anything else, is a kind of self-distraction and

avoidance.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, dialogues on this list can be used as distraction, but so can

just about anything.

> > > >

> > > > Being clear, distractions lose their power to offer any distraction.

> > > >

> > > > One is aware that there is no such thing as a distraction or an

impediment, that the attempt at self-distraction is contradictory and unreal.

> > > >

> > > > - D -

> > >

> > > Words arise as waves, sort of fluctuate for a while and fade away back

into the silent ocean from where they came from.

> > >

> > > The werner affair is just a joke.

> > > -geo-

> >

> >

> > Yes, Werner's fun to have around.

> >

> > Enjoying all the " manifestations " of consciousness, in its infinite

variations,

> >

> > - D -

> Namaste,

>

> Enjoy this and then worry about the mind....Tony O

>

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2631482/Runner-is-a-hermaphrodite.html

 

Thanks for sharing, Tony.

 

Now, what mind was that, that you're telling me to worry about?

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:40 PM

> Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > What knowledge dan? What is the nature of knowledge you are referring

> > > > to? Is

> > > > there need for knowledge for a seeing that already is? What is it that

> > > > says

> > > > " this or that is knowledge, the past " ? More knowledge? Existence is

> > > > knowledge to what extent?

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > >

> > > All questions stop.

> > >

> > > They can't be had here.

> > >

> > > Not in or from this total stillness.

> > >

> > > Definitions, explanations, using words to show something or get

> > > something ... all of that dries up and like dust is done with.

> > >

> > > - D -

> >

> > Obviously, none of this talk touches or makes a dent on the " emotional

> > attachment " that is responsible for the " conceptual storm " Toom mentioned.

> >

> > Only awareness.

>

> D: From my experience, I'd say that words can play a role to some extent in

> understanding what doesn't work, and not looking where looking won't help.

>

> But yes, one who is " thrown back " only to present being and awareness has

> the happen because it can't be helped. It is timing, not someone else's

> words. It is not caused by something or someone from outside.

>

> As we've noted here before, it is a crisis. I guess you could say it is a

> crisis for the sense of a directional being (being towards the future, being

> that anticipates the future, being that involves a sense of control). Also

> being that is directed from inside reacting to outside. That directional

> being and awareness is imbedded culturally, and through language and memory

> use (to project a future and imagine a personal past).

>

> Unless there is a significant crisis to the sense of directed being, I'm not

> sure how so-called centerless awareness/being would be appreciable.

>

> What's interesting as I'm writing this is noticing the extent of the

> deepening crisis " in the world " - which implies simultaneously a time when

> " awakening " may be available concomittently.

>

> - D -

>

> Have you read anything from Gurdjieff yet?

> -geo-

 

 

" ve read, but not extensively. Never felt involved by it. Neither he nor

Ouspensky spoke to me. Too self-focused, achievement focused, " special, "

esoteric. Has a bit of a cult-like feeling to it.

 

Nope. For me, it's " the open secret. "

 

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:40 PM

> > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > What knowledge dan? What is the nature of knowledge you are referring

> > > > > to? Is

> > > > > there need for knowledge for a seeing that already is? What is it that

> > > > > says

> > > > > " this or that is knowledge, the past " ? More knowledge? Existence is

> > > > > knowledge to what extent?

> > > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > All questions stop.

> > > >

> > > > They can't be had here.

> > > >

> > > > Not in or from this total stillness.

> > > >

> > > > Definitions, explanations, using words to show something or get

> > > > something ... all of that dries up and like dust is done with.

> > > >

> > > > - D -

> > >

> > > Obviously, none of this talk touches or makes a dent on the " emotional

> > > attachment " that is responsible for the " conceptual storm " Toom mentioned.

> > >

> > > Only awareness.

> >

> > D: From my experience, I'd say that words can play a role to some extent in

> > understanding what doesn't work, and not looking where looking won't help.

> >

> > But yes, one who is " thrown back " only to present being and awareness has

> > the happen because it can't be helped. It is timing, not someone else's

> > words. It is not caused by something or someone from outside.

> >

> > As we've noted here before, it is a crisis. I guess you could say it is a

> > crisis for the sense of a directional being (being towards the future, being

> > that anticipates the future, being that involves a sense of control). Also

> > being that is directed from inside reacting to outside. That directional

> > being and awareness is imbedded culturally, and through language and memory

> > use (to project a future and imagine a personal past).

> >

> > Unless there is a significant crisis to the sense of directed being, I'm not

> > sure how so-called centerless awareness/being would be appreciable.

> >

> > What's interesting as I'm writing this is noticing the extent of the

> > deepening crisis " in the world " - which implies simultaneously a time when

> > " awakening " may be available concomittently.

> >

> > - D -

> >

> > Have you read anything from Gurdjieff yet?

> > -geo-

>

>

> " ve read, but not extensively. Never felt involved by it. Neither he nor

Ouspensky spoke to me. Too self-focused, achievement focused, " special, "

esoteric. Has a bit of a cult-like feeling to it.

>

> Nope. For me, it's " the open secret. "

>

>

> - D -

>

 

 

A la Tony Parsons?

 

~A

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"ve read, but not extensively. Never felt involved by it. Neither he nor Ouspensky spoke to me..

-d-

 

I have read them selectively - LOL - with one critical eye and another ear...

Not the schools stuff....and other things alike. I enjoyed the description G makes about the ray of creation...and the human factory. But then I learned that there scores of G schools in the USA and Europe..with "teachers" that have grown a mustache, cut their hair and smoke cigars LOL LOL LOL

Not that - no!!

-geo-

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> " ve read, but not extensively. Never felt involved by it. Neither he nor

Ouspensky spoke to me..

> -d-

>

> I have read them selectively - LOL - with one critical eye and another ear...

> Not the schools stuff....and other things alike. I enjoyed the description G

makes about the ray of creation...and the human factory. But then I learned that

there scores of G schools in the USA and Europe..with " teachers " that have grown

a mustache, cut their hair and smoke cigars LOL LOL LOL

> Not that - no!!

> -geo-

 

Yeah, that stuff can get freaky.

 

Werner Erhart of " EST " fame had trainers learn to do his teachings with the

exact same wording he would use, dress and even gesture like him.

 

Teaching " awareness " seems to attract plenty of control freaks playing " master "

and plenty of people who want a " master " to emulate.

 

I guess that's human nature, all part of the dance.

 

But the fact of awareness itself, is transcendent of human nature.

 

There is nothing human-centric about it.

 

Yet, it shines as comfortably through human beings as anything else.

 

- D -

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dan330033

Nisargadatta

Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:29 PM

Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

 

 

Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Thursday, September 10, 2009 4:40 PM

> > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What knowledge dan? What is the nature of knowledge you are

> > > > > > referring

> > > > > > to? Is

> > > > > > there need for knowledge for a seeing that already is? What is

> > > > > > it that

> > > > > > says

> > > > > > " this or that is knowledge, the past " ? More knowledge? Existence

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > knowledge to what extent?

> > > > > > -geo-

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > All questions stop.

> > > > >

> > > > > They can't be had here.

> > > > >

> > > > > Not in or from this total stillness.

> > > > >

> > > > > Definitions, explanations, using words to show something or get

> > > > > something ... all of that dries up and like dust is done with.

> > > > >

> > > > > - D -

> > > >

> > > > Obviously, none of this talk touches or makes a dent on the

> > > > " emotional

> > > > attachment " that is responsible for the " conceptual storm " Toom

> > > > mentioned.

> > > >

> > > > Only awareness.

> > >

> > > D: From my experience, I'd say that words can play a role to some

> > > extent in

> > > understanding what doesn't work, and not looking where looking won't

> > > help.

> > >

> > > But yes, one who is " thrown back " only to present being and awareness

> > > has

> > > the happen because it can't be helped. It is timing, not someone

> > > else's

> > > words. It is not caused by something or someone from outside.

> > >

> > > As we've noted here before, it is a crisis. I guess you could say it

> > > is a

> > > crisis for the sense of a directional being (being towards the future,

> > > being

> > > that anticipates the future, being that involves a sense of control).

> > > Also

> > > being that is directed from inside reacting to outside. That

> > > directional

> > > being and awareness is imbedded culturally, and through language and

> > > memory

> > > use (to project a future and imagine a personal past).

> > >

> > > Unless there is a significant crisis to the sense of directed being,

> > > I'm not

> > > sure how so-called centerless awareness/being would be appreciable.

> > >

> > > What's interesting as I'm writing this is noticing the extent of the

> > > deepening crisis " in the world " - which implies simultaneously a time

> > > when

> > > " awakening " may be available concomittently.

> > >

> > > - D -

> > >

> > > Have you read anything from Gurdjieff yet?

> > > -geo-

> >

> >

> > " ve read, but not extensively. Never felt involved by it. Neither he nor

> > Ouspensky spoke to me. Too self-focused, achievement focused, " special, "

> > esoteric. Has a bit of a cult-like feeling to it.

> >

> > Nope. For me, it's " the open secret. "

> >

> >

> > - D -

> >

>

>

> A la Tony Parsons?

>

> ~A

 

Well, it was Wei Wu Wei who used " the open secret " as the title of a book. I

like the title better than the book.

 

So, a la, " just this. "

 

I'm face to face with this right now.

 

No mediator.

 

No Tony Parsons. No Wei Wu Wei.

 

No wise sayings.

 

It's right here, closer to the front of my face than my own skin.

 

How can this be ignored?

 

- D -

 

Its eyes are in front of me.

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta

Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:36 PM

Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> " ve read, but not extensively. Never felt involved by it. Neither he nor

> Ouspensky spoke to me..

> -d-

>

> I have read them selectively - LOL - with one critical eye and another

> ear...

> Not the schools stuff....and other things alike. I enjoyed the description

> G makes about the ray of creation...and the human factory. But then I

> learned that there scores of G schools in the USA and Europe..with

> " teachers " that have grown a mustache, cut their hair and smoke cigars LOL

> LOL LOL

> Not that - no!!

> -geo-

 

Yeah, that stuff can get freaky.

 

Werner Erhart of " EST " fame had trainers learn to do his teachings with the

exact same wording he would use, dress and even gesture like him.

 

Teaching " awareness " seems to attract plenty of control freaks playing

" master " and plenty of people who want a " master " to emulate.

 

I guess that's human nature, all part of the dance.

 

But the fact of awareness itself, is transcendent of human nature.

 

There is nothing human-centric about it.

 

Yet, it shines as comfortably through human beings as anything else.

 

- D -

 

So leaving all that aside...the relative dance of the

absolute/worlds/man...the ray of creation..the sense of relativism of all

there is....the relative influence of one plane on another...lots to learn

there....if one has the stomach for it.

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:36 PM

> Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > " ve read, but not extensively. Never felt involved by it. Neither he nor

> > Ouspensky spoke to me..

> > -d-

> >

> > I have read them selectively - LOL - with one critical eye and another

> > ear...

> > Not the schools stuff....and other things alike. I enjoyed the description

> > G makes about the ray of creation...and the human factory. But then I

> > learned that there scores of G schools in the USA and Europe..with

> > " teachers " that have grown a mustache, cut their hair and smoke cigars LOL

> > LOL LOL

> > Not that - no!!

> > -geo-

>

> Yeah, that stuff can get freaky.

>

> Werner Erhart of " EST " fame had trainers learn to do his teachings with the

> exact same wording he would use, dress and even gesture like him.

>

> Teaching " awareness " seems to attract plenty of control freaks playing

> " master " and plenty of people who want a " master " to emulate.

>

> I guess that's human nature, all part of the dance.

>

> But the fact of awareness itself, is transcendent of human nature.

>

> There is nothing human-centric about it.

>

> Yet, it shines as comfortably through human beings as anything else.

>

> - D -

>

> So leaving all that aside...the relative dance of the

> absolute/worlds/man...the ray of creation..the sense of relativism of all

> there is....the relative influence of one plane on another...lots to learn

> there....if one has the stomach for it.

> -geo-

 

 

You mean if one has the stomach for that trap.

 

The bait has been set.

 

Do you go for it or not?

 

If you go for it, you can go on and on with the quest, for more and more and

more.

 

Or, does the quest cease?

 

Is the adventure over?

 

 

-- D --

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dan330033

Nisargadatta

Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:53 PM

Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:36 PM

> Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > " ve read, but not extensively. Never felt involved by it. Neither he nor

> > Ouspensky spoke to me..

> > -d-

> >

> > I have read them selectively - LOL - with one critical eye and another

> > ear...

> > Not the schools stuff....and other things alike. I enjoyed the

> > description

> > G makes about the ray of creation...and the human factory. But then I

> > learned that there scores of G schools in the USA and Europe..with

> > " teachers " that have grown a mustache, cut their hair and smoke cigars

> > LOL

> > LOL LOL

> > Not that - no!!

> > -geo-

>

> Yeah, that stuff can get freaky.

>

> Werner Erhart of " EST " fame had trainers learn to do his teachings with

> the

> exact same wording he would use, dress and even gesture like him.

>

> Teaching " awareness " seems to attract plenty of control freaks playing

> " master " and plenty of people who want a " master " to emulate.

>

> I guess that's human nature, all part of the dance.

>

> But the fact of awareness itself, is transcendent of human nature.

>

> There is nothing human-centric about it.

>

> Yet, it shines as comfortably through human beings as anything else.

>

> - D -

>

> So leaving all that aside...the relative dance of the

> absolute/worlds/man...the ray of creation..the sense of relativism of all

> there is....the relative influence of one plane on another...lots to learn

> there....if one has the stomach for it.

> -geo-

 

You mean if one has the stomach for that trap.

 

The bait has been set.

 

Do you go for it or not?

 

If you go for it, you can go on and on with the quest, for more and more and

more.

 

Or, does the quest cease?

 

Is the adventure over?

 

-- D --

 

Reading or not reading....has it become so relevant for you now? Besides...

there are no traps.

 

PS - Could you send me a list of books I may read without any danger of

falling in THE TRAP?

...joking...

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta

Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:41 PM

Re: Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

 

 

 

-

dan330033

Nisargadatta

Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:53 PM

Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:36 PM

> Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > " ve read, but not extensively. Never felt involved by it. Neither he nor

> > Ouspensky spoke to me..

> > -d-

> >

> > I have read them selectively - LOL - with one critical eye and another

> > ear...

> > Not the schools stuff....and other things alike. I enjoyed the

> > description

> > G makes about the ray of creation...and the human factory. But then I

> > learned that there scores of G schools in the USA and Europe..with

> > " teachers " that have grown a mustache, cut their hair and smoke cigars

> > LOL

> > LOL LOL

> > Not that - no!!

> > -geo-

>

> Yeah, that stuff can get freaky.

>

> Werner Erhart of " EST " fame had trainers learn to do his teachings with

> the

> exact same wording he would use, dress and even gesture like him.

>

> Teaching " awareness " seems to attract plenty of control freaks playing

> " master " and plenty of people who want a " master " to emulate.

>

> I guess that's human nature, all part of the dance.

>

> But the fact of awareness itself, is transcendent of human nature.

>

> There is nothing human-centric about it.

>

> Yet, it shines as comfortably through human beings as anything else.

>

> - D -

>

> So leaving all that aside...the relative dance of the

> absolute/worlds/man...the ray of creation..the sense of relativism of all

> there is....the relative influence of one plane on another...lots to learn

> there....if one has the stomach for it.

> -geo-

 

You mean if one has the stomach for that trap.

 

The bait has been set.

 

Do you go for it or not?

 

If you go for it, you can go on and on with the quest, for more and more and

more.

 

Or, does the quest cease?

 

Is the adventure over?

 

-- D --

 

Reading or not reading....has it become so relevant for you now? Besides...

there are no traps.

 

PS - Could you send me a list of books I may read without any danger of

falling in THE TRAP?

...joking...

 

But thank you for being concerned with my moral integrity. No need to worry

though....I have a friend dan who told me that there are no impediments to

awareness, that it is what is always anyway, so.... but I will take

care....next time I will try to avoid those pagan books, at least the most

sacrilegious ones :>))

-geo-

 

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> > The werner affair is just a joke.

> > -geo-

>

>

> Yes, Werner's fun to have around.

>

> Enjoying all the " manifestations " of consciousness, in its infinite

> variations,

>

> - D -

 

Man infestations? :-p

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > The more clear this is, the more one is forced into silence.

> > >

> > > One can no longer conclude that terms like " meaning " or " lacking meaning "

have any relevance.

> > >

> > > One speaks, but the speaking is a human version of a bird singing or > a

frog croaking.

> >

> > That's precisely what speaking is, no?

> >

> > A 'more complex' version of a bird singing, a frog croaking, a loon crying

in the forest.

>

> Yes.

>

> Unfortunately, loons capable of wielding atomic weapons, wiping out > rain

forests and species of animals, and populating in ways that

> don't fit with the resources available.

 

Atomic weapons, wiped out rain forests and extinct animals, are not out of

place.

 

All is going as it's going.

 

All is well.

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:53 PM

> Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:36 PM

> > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > " ve read, but not extensively. Never felt involved by it. Neither he nor

> > > Ouspensky spoke to me..

> > > -d-

> > >

> > > I have read them selectively - LOL - with one critical eye and another

> > > ear...

> > > Not the schools stuff....and other things alike. I enjoyed the

> > > description

> > > G makes about the ray of creation...and the human factory. But then I

> > > learned that there scores of G schools in the USA and Europe..with

> > > " teachers " that have grown a mustache, cut their hair and smoke cigars

> > > LOL

> > > LOL LOL

> > > Not that - no!!

> > > -geo-

> >

> > Yeah, that stuff can get freaky.

> >

> > Werner Erhart of " EST " fame had trainers learn to do his teachings with

> > the

> > exact same wording he would use, dress and even gesture like him.

> >

> > Teaching " awareness " seems to attract plenty of control freaks playing

> > " master " and plenty of people who want a " master " to emulate.

> >

> > I guess that's human nature, all part of the dance.

> >

> > But the fact of awareness itself, is transcendent of human nature.

> >

> > There is nothing human-centric about it.

> >

> > Yet, it shines as comfortably through human beings as anything else.

> >

> > - D -

> >

> > So leaving all that aside...the relative dance of the

> > absolute/worlds/man...the ray of creation..the sense of relativism of all

> > there is....the relative influence of one plane on another...lots to learn

> > there....if one has the stomach for it.

> > -geo-

>

> You mean if one has the stomach for that trap.

>

> The bait has been set.

>

> Do you go for it or not?

>

> If you go for it, you can go on and on with the quest, for more and more and

> more.

>

> Or, does the quest cease?

>

> Is the adventure over?

>

> -- D --

>

> Reading or not reading....has it become so relevant for you now? Besides...

> there are no traps.

>

> PS - Could you send me a list of books I may read without any danger of

> falling in THE TRAP?

> ..joking...

> -geo-

 

What are you seeking?

 

Seeking is the trap.

 

If there are no traps, there is no seeking, nothing to get.

 

" ..the relative dance of the

> > absolute/worlds/man...the ray of creation..the sense of relativism of all

> > there is....the relative influence of one plane on another...lots to learn

> > there....if one has the stomach for it. "

 

Lots to learn?

 

Sounds like good old-fashioned occultic seeking to me.

 

What do I know?

 

Nothing.

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> geo

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:41 PM

> Re: Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

>

>

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:53 PM

> Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:36 PM

> > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > " ve read, but not extensively. Never felt involved by it. Neither he nor

> > > Ouspensky spoke to me..

> > > -d-

> > >

> > > I have read them selectively - LOL - with one critical eye and another

> > > ear...

> > > Not the schools stuff....and other things alike. I enjoyed the

> > > description

> > > G makes about the ray of creation...and the human factory. But then I

> > > learned that there scores of G schools in the USA and Europe..with

> > > " teachers " that have grown a mustache, cut their hair and smoke cigars

> > > LOL

> > > LOL LOL

> > > Not that - no!!

> > > -geo-

> >

> > Yeah, that stuff can get freaky.

> >

> > Werner Erhart of " EST " fame had trainers learn to do his teachings with

> > the

> > exact same wording he would use, dress and even gesture like him.

> >

> > Teaching " awareness " seems to attract plenty of control freaks playing

> > " master " and plenty of people who want a " master " to emulate.

> >

> > I guess that's human nature, all part of the dance.

> >

> > But the fact of awareness itself, is transcendent of human nature.

> >

> > There is nothing human-centric about it.

> >

> > Yet, it shines as comfortably through human beings as anything else.

> >

> > - D -

> >

> > So leaving all that aside...the relative dance of the

> > absolute/worlds/man...the ray of creation..the sense of relativism of all

> > there is....the relative influence of one plane on another...lots to learn

> > there....if one has the stomach for it.

> > -geo-

>

> You mean if one has the stomach for that trap.

>

> The bait has been set.

>

> Do you go for it or not?

>

> If you go for it, you can go on and on with the quest, for more and more and

> more.

>

> Or, does the quest cease?

>

> Is the adventure over?

>

> -- D --

>

> Reading or not reading....has it become so relevant for you now? Besides...

> there are no traps.

>

> PS - Could you send me a list of books I may read without any danger of

> falling in THE TRAP?

> ..joking...

>

> But thank you for being concerned with my moral integrity. No need to worry

> though....I have a friend dan who told me that there are no impediments to

> awareness, that it is what is always anyway, so.... but I will take

> care....next time I will try to avoid those pagan books, at least the most

> sacrilegious ones :>))

> -geo-

 

Please, read whatever you want.

 

If you want to get into the idea of more and more to learn, go for it.

 

 

 

If there are no impediments, then awareness is whole, indivisible, as is.

 

There is nothing to be gotten in the future that will add to what this is.

 

If you are seeking, you form your own impediment.

 

 

In actuality, there is no impediment.

 

But that doesn't mean there isn't seeking activity that forms self, intention,

and goal as a temporal process acting as if there were an impediment.

 

The impediment being imaginary time, and a being chasing to get more knowledge.

 

But go there, if that is your attraction.

 

Forget about your friend dan, he knows nothing anyway.

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The more clear this is, the more one is forced into silence.

> > > >

> > > > One can no longer conclude that terms like " meaning " or " lacking

meaning " have any relevance.

> > > >

> > > > One speaks, but the speaking is a human version of a bird singing or > a

frog croaking.

> > >

> > > That's precisely what speaking is, no?

> > >

> > > A 'more complex' version of a bird singing, a frog croaking, a loon crying

in the forest.

> >

> > Yes.

> >

> > Unfortunately, loons capable of wielding atomic weapons, wiping out > rain

forests and species of animals, and populating in ways that

> > don't fit with the resources available.

>

> Atomic weapons, wiped out rain forests and extinct animals, are not out of

place.

>

> All is going as it's going.

>

> All is well.

 

Yes.

 

Anything that is perceived, is what is perceived.

 

The *is* can never be undone.

 

Being out of place isn't possible, because *is* is the only place (and no

placement of it).

 

Including my feelings of " how unfortunate " ...

 

Also, not out of place.

 

 

- D -

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dan330033

Nisargadatta

Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:00 PM

Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:53 PM

> Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:36 PM

> > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > " ve read, but not extensively. Never felt involved by it. Neither he

> > > nor

> > > Ouspensky spoke to me..

> > > -d-

> > >

> > > I have read them selectively - LOL - with one critical eye and another

> > > ear...

> > > Not the schools stuff....and other things alike. I enjoyed the

> > > description

> > > G makes about the ray of creation...and the human factory. But then I

> > > learned that there scores of G schools in the USA and Europe..with

> > > " teachers " that have grown a mustache, cut their hair and smoke cigars

> > > LOL

> > > LOL LOL

> > > Not that - no!!

> > > -geo-

> >

> > Yeah, that stuff can get freaky.

> >

> > Werner Erhart of " EST " fame had trainers learn to do his teachings with

> > the

> > exact same wording he would use, dress and even gesture like him.

> >

> > Teaching " awareness " seems to attract plenty of control freaks playing

> > " master " and plenty of people who want a " master " to emulate.

> >

> > I guess that's human nature, all part of the dance.

> >

> > But the fact of awareness itself, is transcendent of human nature.

> >

> > There is nothing human-centric about it.

> >

> > Yet, it shines as comfortably through human beings as anything else.

> >

> > - D -

> >

> > So leaving all that aside...the relative dance of the

> > absolute/worlds/man...the ray of creation..the sense of relativism of

> > all

> > there is....the relative influence of one plane on another...lots to

> > learn

> > there....if one has the stomach for it.

> > -geo-

>

> You mean if one has the stomach for that trap.

>

> The bait has been set.

>

> Do you go for it or not?

>

> If you go for it, you can go on and on with the quest, for more and more

> and

> more.

>

> Or, does the quest cease?

>

> Is the adventure over?

>

> -- D --

>

> Reading or not reading....has it become so relevant for you now?

> Besides...

> there are no traps.

>

> PS - Could you send me a list of books I may read without any danger of

> falling in THE TRAP?

> ..joking...

> -geo-

 

What are you seeking?

 

Seeking is the trap.

 

If there are no traps, there is no seeking, nothing to get.

 

" ..the relative dance of the

> > absolute/worlds/man...the ray of creation..the sense of relativism of

> > all

> > there is....the relative influence of one plane on another...lots to

> > learn

> > there....if one has the stomach for it. "

 

Lots to learn?

 

Sounds like good old-fashioned occultic seeking to me.

 

What do I know?

 

Nothing.

 

- D -

 

A litlle bird told me that dan have read the bible and the caballa....and a

few other scrilegious books....:>)

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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But that doesn't mean there isn't seeking activity that forms self,

intention, and goal as a temporal process acting as if there were an

impediment.

 

The impediment being imaginary time, and a being chasing to get more

knowledge.

-d-

 

That is what impediment is. The seeking, searching for more....acting as if

there was a self, as if there was impediment.

-geo-

[Guest guest]

> Reading or not reading....has it become so relevant for you now?

> Besides...

> there are no traps.

>

> PS - Could you send me a list of books I may read without any danger of

> falling in THE TRAP?

> ..joking...

>

> But thank you for being concerned with my moral integrity. No need to

> worry

> though....I have a friend dan who told me that there are no impediments to

> awareness, that it is what is always anyway, so.... but I will take

> care....next time I will try to avoid those pagan books, at least the most

> sacrilegious ones :>))

> -geo-

 

Please, read whatever you want.

-d-

 

Thank you...maybe I will... yes. I'll follow a friend of mine and get on

with the bible and the cabala. Very sacrilegious...but I'll take the risk

-geo-

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fewtch

Nisargadatta

Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:35 PM

Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> > Reading or not reading....has it become so relevant for you now?

> > Besides...

> > there are no traps.

> >

> > PS - Could you send me a list of books I may read without any danger of

> > falling in THE TRAP?

> > ..joking...

> >

> > But thank you for being concerned with my moral integrity. No need to

> > worry

> > though....I have a friend dan who told me that there are no impediments

> > to

> > awareness, that it is what is always anyway, so.... but I will take

> > care....next time I will try to avoid those pagan books, at least the

> > most

> > sacrilegious ones :>))

> > -geo-

>

> Please, read whatever you want.

> -d-

>

> Thank you...maybe I will... yes.

 

It's good to get permission, isn't it? (chuckling... teasing).

-t-

 

I have these books full of knowledge sitting on a shelf...I have been

looking at them...hands shaking..

Now i think I will read them all in one rainy afternoon - and finnaly get

over with it.

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> fewtch

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:35 PM

> Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > > Reading or not reading....has it become so relevant for you now?

> > > Besides...

> > > there are no traps.

> > >

> > > PS - Could you send me a list of books I may read without any danger of

> > > falling in THE TRAP?

> > > ..joking...

> > >

> > > But thank you for being concerned with my moral integrity. No need to

> > > worry

> > > though....I have a friend dan who told me that there are no impediments

> > > to

> > > awareness, that it is what is always anyway, so.... but I will take

> > > care....next time I will try to avoid those pagan books, at least the

> > > most

> > > sacrilegious ones :>))

> > > -geo-

> >

> > Please, read whatever you want.

> > -d-

> >

> > Thank you...maybe I will... yes.

>

> It's good to get permission, isn't it? (chuckling... teasing).

> -t-

>

> I have these books full of knowledge sitting on a shelf...I have been

> looking at them...hands shaking..

> Now i think I will read them all in one rainy afternoon - and finnaly get

> over with it.

> -geo-

>

 

 

 

No matter what you read Geo, no matter how far you go, you'll always

come back to *nothing ever happened*. Life hasn't changed one iota.

And truthfully, neither have you, neither have I.

 

Just some experiences on the way to *become somebody* (else). But it's all

good, we have(had) time to fill in the blanks of our nothing.

 

 

 

~A

>

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> I have these books full of knowledge sitting on a shelf...I have been

> looking at them...hands shaking..

> Now i think I will read them all in one rainy afternoon - and finnaly get

> over with it.

> -geo-

 

Read 'em, why not? If they're interesting, awesome :-).