Guest guest Report post Posted September 7, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Monday, September 07, 2009 1:08 PM Re: Re: Kyrie Eleison - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Monday, September 07, 2009 12:10 PM Re: Kyrie Eleison Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Monday, September 07, 2009 11:59 AM > Re: Kyrie Eleison > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > We are all fakes...I have no religious beliefs at all--my philosophy > > > is > > > ajativada..........However you are a TROLL and I don't mean from > > > Norway....................Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am is the fundamental religion out of which all the others flow. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > " You are " may be even more fundamental. > -t- > > May even be the foundation. > BTW..what else, or where else would all be? > -geo- > Outside and inside the mind bubble. toombaru Yes. As the mind bubble and beyond. But wait...(waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting,...) are aYOU aknowledging something outside the mind bubble?? Congratualtions. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kyrie Eleison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes i am so close to God > > > > > > > > i am mistaken, > > > > > > > > thoughts of white doves follow me > > > > > > > > like loving apostles > > > > > > > > i am being, > > > > > > > > Christed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no fu..ing God you can be close to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And those loving apostles were idiots (if they ever existed) when following a Christ myth stolen and derived from the myths of Horus or Krishna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna, Anna ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are no lepers in Parma > > > > > > > > and the dead roam the streets > > > > > > > > with the living, > > > > > > > > it's hard sometimes to > > > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > behind the plastered faces > > > > > > > > of perception, lines drawn > > > > > > > > from maps with nowhere to go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the homeless live on bouquets > > > > > > > > of other-worldly compassion > > > > > > > > like lilies in the field > > > > > > > > with dirty fingertips, > > > > > > > > one more day, one more day > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayers beneath mortgaged breaths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sunrise repatriates > > > > > > > > those who are sentenced to die > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a dog barks, > > > > > > > > I go about my business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > You have shown again what an ignorant arseole you are..You don't understand Ramana or Niz one little bit---quelle domage!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Trotting out the usual debunking stuff about Jesus...all speculative, just as much as the pro or the anti..'God' is just the name for the consciousness NIZ talks of or Christ or Krishna etc..It never happened anyway ajativada....Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny that my remarks about God and Christ and not my remarks about Niz were forcing you to post. > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you just pray and ask the Lord to enlighten me as nicely as you already seem to be ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I can't enlighten you, you already are ready to discuss people who apparently didn't exist even as illusions according to you. I'm pointing out the intellectual dishonesty and crap around the debunkers of Jesus or anybody else----Rama Krishna etc etc,...Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ay NamasteTony, > > > > > > Same as Christ you are fake too. > > > > > > Your whole brain if full of all that spiritual nonsense you have read and you are identified with. You became a spiritual robot, a total laughable decal, a reflector of scholarly material. That all has changed you into an example of aggressive vanity. > > > > > > And the funniest of all, you don't see it. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > Namaste, > > > > Jesus said 'it is not I that does the work' but my Father that is in me that does the work.......and then I and my Father are one...Jesus taught the total 3 precepts of Nisargadatta in his life..1,We think we make things happen. 2.We realise things are actually happening to us...and finally nothing is happening at all..............Tony. > > > > > > He could also take demons out of you and put them in pigs. > > > :-0 > > > > toombaru > Namaste, So you believe everything you read eh?....Tony. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery wrote: > > > Namaste, > > So you believe everything you read eh?....Tony. > Namaste, Tony. There's an old proverb that says: " Believe nothing of what you say and half of what you see. " I furthered this in realizing that the lie is in the beLIEf. And Sarlo also noticed that the *I* is in the middle of the be l I e F. However I have lived long enough to know that *I am* is a belief that is validated moment-to-moment with every individual life. It's up to each and every one of us as to how we *further it*. ~A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > So you believe everything you read eh?....Tony. > > > > > Namaste, Tony. > > There's an old proverb that says: " Believe nothing of what you say and half of what you see. " > > I furthered this in realizing that the lie is in the beLIEf. And Sarlo also noticed that the *I* is in the middle of the be l I e F. > > However I have lived long enough to know that *I am* is a belief that is validated moment-to-moment with every individual life. > > It's up to each and every one of us as to how we *further it*. > > > ~A > Namaste, My point is they are essentially illiterate and havn't studied anything about Jesus or any other sage..They can only hear the verbal diarohea from their own mouths... If you study the Gospels you will find that Jesus didn't say much at all...directly but what little can be attributed to him is profound succinct and reality.....Like when Pilate asked him 'What is Truth'? Jesus didn't answer for that would compromise it... If one studes the life of James then by inference one learns about Jesus, particularly Eisenman........Cheers Tony. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > So you believe everything you read eh?....Tony. > > > > > > > > > Namaste, Tony. > > > > There's an old proverb that says: " Believe nothing of what you say and half of what you see. " > > > > I furthered this in realizing that the lie is in the beLIEf. And Sarlo also noticed that the *I* is in the middle of the be l I e F. > > > > However I have lived long enough to know that *I am* is a belief that is validated moment-to-moment with every individual life. > > > > It's up to each and every one of us as to how we *further it*. > > > > > > ~A > > > Namaste, > > My point is they are essentially illiterate and havn't studied anything about Jesus or any other sage..They can only hear the verbal diarohea from their own mouths... > If you study the Gospels you will find that Jesus didn't say much at all...directly but what little can be attributed to him is profound succinct and reality.....Like when Pilate asked him 'What is Truth'? Jesus didn't answer for that would compromise it... > > If one studes the life of James then by inference one learns about Jesus, particularly Eisenman........Cheers Tony. > No contemporary historian of Jesus even mentions his name. Do you think that odd? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 7, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > So you believe everything you read eh?....Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, Tony. > > > > > > There's an old proverb that says: " Believe nothing of what you say and half of what you see. " > > > > > > I furthered this in realizing that the lie is in the beLIEf. And Sarlo also noticed that the *I* is in the middle of the be l I e F. > > > > > > However I have lived long enough to know that *I am* is a belief that is validated moment-to-moment with every individual life. > > > > > > It's up to each and every one of us as to how we *further it*. > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > Namaste, > > > > My point is they are essentially illiterate and havn't studied anything about Jesus or any other sage..They can only hear the verbal diarohea from their own mouths... > > If you study the Gospels you will find that Jesus didn't say much at all...directly but what little can be attributed to him is profound succinct and reality.....Like when Pilate asked him 'What is Truth'? Jesus didn't answer for that would compromise it... > > > > If one studes the life of James then by inference one learns about Jesus, particularly Eisenman........Cheers Tony. > > > > > > No contemporary historian of Jesus even mentions his name. > > Do you think that odd? > > > toombaru > Yes Toomb, There exists neither a single Jewish nor Roman record about Jesus during the time he is supposed to have lived. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > So you believe everything you read eh?....Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, Tony. > > > > > > > > There's an old proverb that says: " Believe nothing of what you say and half of what you see. " > > > > > > > > I furthered this in realizing that the lie is in the beLIEf. And Sarlo also noticed that the *I* is in the middle of the be l I e F. > > > > > > > > However I have lived long enough to know that *I am* is a belief that is validated moment-to-moment with every individual life. > > > > > > > > It's up to each and every one of us as to how we *further it*. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > My point is they are essentially illiterate and havn't studied anything about Jesus or any other sage..They can only hear the verbal diarohea from their own mouths... > > > If you study the Gospels you will find that Jesus didn't say much at all...directly but what little can be attributed to him is profound succinct and reality.....Like when Pilate asked him 'What is Truth'? Jesus didn't answer for that would compromise it... > > > > > > If one studes the life of James then by inference one learns about Jesus, particularly Eisenman........Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > No contemporary historian of Jesus even mentions his name. > > > > Do you think that odd? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Yes Toomb, > > There exists neither a single Jewish nor Roman record about Jesus during the time he is supposed to have lived. > > Werner > Well, that does & doesn't surprise me. I read Schwitzer's book: *In Search of the Historical Jesus* many many years ago.. I remember that I would have like to have known the great humanitarian. nothing else. But it seems incongruous for all those martyrs to have died for nothing. Nor do I think it would be too far-fetched to have records *expunged* so to speak. It would be bad for business as usual, if not for all those damned followers. Ironically, the Koran mentions him as a Prophet. ~A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > So you believe everything you read eh?....Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, Tony. > > > > > > > > There's an old proverb that says: " Believe nothing of what you say and half of what you see. " > > > > > > > > I furthered this in realizing that the lie is in the beLIEf. And Sarlo also noticed that the *I* is in the middle of the be l I e F. > > > > > > > > However I have lived long enough to know that *I am* is a belief that is validated moment-to-moment with every individual life. > > > > > > > > It's up to each and every one of us as to how we *further it*. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > My point is they are essentially illiterate and havn't studied anything about Jesus or any other sage..They can only hear the verbal diarohea from their own mouths... > > > If you study the Gospels you will find that Jesus didn't say much at all...directly but what little can be attributed to him is profound succinct and reality.....Like when Pilate asked him 'What is Truth'? Jesus didn't answer for that would compromise it... > > > > > > If one studes the life of James then by inference one learns about Jesus, particularly Eisenman........Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > No contemporary historian of Jesus even mentions his name. > > > > Do you think that odd? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Yes Toomb, > > There exists neither a single Jewish nor Roman record about Jesus during the time he is supposed to have lived. > > Werner > What do you know about your great grandparents? dumbkopf....Cheers Tony Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > So you believe everything you read eh?....Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, Tony. > > > > > > There's an old proverb that says: " Believe nothing of what you say and half of what you see. " > > > > > > I furthered this in realizing that the lie is in the beLIEf. And Sarlo also noticed that the *I* is in the middle of the be l I e F. > > > > > > However I have lived long enough to know that *I am* is a belief that is validated moment-to-moment with every individual life. > > > > > > It's up to each and every one of us as to how we *further it*. > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > Namaste, > > > > My point is they are essentially illiterate and havn't studied anything about Jesus or any other sage..They can only hear the verbal diarohea from their own mouths... > > If you study the Gospels you will find that Jesus didn't say much at all...directly but what little can be attributed to him is profound succinct and reality.....Like when Pilate asked him 'What is Truth'? Jesus didn't answer for that would compromise it... > > > > If one studes the life of James then by inference one learns about Jesus, particularly Eisenman........Cheers Tony. > > > > > > No contemporary historian of Jesus even mentions his name. > > Do you think that odd? > > > toombaru > That actually isn't true at all...but as I said you are a research illiterate full of your own circumnambulatory crap....Tony Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > So you believe everything you read eh?....Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, Tony. > > > > > > > > > > There's an old proverb that says: " Believe nothing of what you say and half of what you see. " > > > > > > > > > > I furthered this in realizing that the lie is in the beLIEf. And Sarlo also noticed that the *I* is in the middle of the be l I e F. > > > > > > > > > > However I have lived long enough to know that *I am* is a belief that is validated moment-to-moment with every individual life. > > > > > > > > > > It's up to each and every one of us as to how we *further it*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > My point is they are essentially illiterate and havn't studied anything about Jesus or any other sage..They can only hear the verbal diarohea from their own mouths... > > > > If you study the Gospels you will find that Jesus didn't say much at all...directly but what little can be attributed to him is profound succinct and reality.....Like when Pilate asked him 'What is Truth'? Jesus didn't answer for that would compromise it... > > > > > > > > If one studes the life of James then by inference one learns about Jesus, particularly Eisenman........Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No contemporary historian of Jesus even mentions his name. > > > > > > Do you think that odd? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Yes Toomb, > > > > There exists neither a single Jewish nor Roman record about Jesus during the time he is supposed to have lived. > > > > Werner > > > > > Well, that does & doesn't surprise me. I read Schwitzer's book: *In Search of the Historical Jesus* many many years ago.. I remember that I would have like to have known the great humanitarian. nothing else. > > But it seems incongruous for all those martyrs to have died for nothing. Nor do I think it would be too far-fetched to have records *expunged* so to speak. It would be bad for business as usual, if not for all those damned followers. > > Ironically, the Koran mentions him as a Prophet. > > ~A > Mohammed's history is even more undocumented. The smallest amount of research is enough to make the Jesus myth evaporate. http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/ toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > So you believe everything you read eh?....Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, Tony. > > > > > > > > > > There's an old proverb that says: " Believe nothing of what you say and half of what you see. " > > > > > > > > > > I furthered this in realizing that the lie is in the beLIEf. And Sarlo also noticed that the *I* is in the middle of the be l I e F. > > > > > > > > > > However I have lived long enough to know that *I am* is a belief that is validated moment-to-moment with every individual life. > > > > > > > > > > It's up to each and every one of us as to how we *further it*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > My point is they are essentially illiterate and havn't studied anything about Jesus or any other sage..They can only hear the verbal diarohea from their own mouths... > > > > If you study the Gospels you will find that Jesus didn't say much at all...directly but what little can be attributed to him is profound succinct and reality.....Like when Pilate asked him 'What is Truth'? Jesus didn't answer for that would compromise it... > > > > > > > > If one studes the life of James then by inference one learns about Jesus, particularly Eisenman........Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No contemporary historian of Jesus even mentions his name. > > > > > > Do you think that odd? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Yes Toomb, > > > > There exists neither a single Jewish nor Roman record about Jesus during the time he is supposed to have lived. > > > > Werner > > > What do you know about your great grandparents? dumbkopf....Cheers > His great grand parents did not profess to be the savior of mankind and offer eternal life. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > So you believe everything you read eh?....Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, Tony. > > > > > > > > There's an old proverb that says: " Believe nothing of what you say and half of what you see. " > > > > > > > > I furthered this in realizing that the lie is in the beLIEf. And Sarlo also noticed that the *I* is in the middle of the be l I e F. > > > > > > > > However I have lived long enough to know that *I am* is a belief that is validated moment-to-moment with every individual life. > > > > > > > > It's up to each and every one of us as to how we *further it*. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > My point is they are essentially illiterate and havn't studied anything about Jesus or any other sage..They can only hear the verbal diarohea from their own mouths... > > > If you study the Gospels you will find that Jesus didn't say much at all...directly but what little can be attributed to him is profound succinct and reality.....Like when Pilate asked him 'What is Truth'? Jesus didn't answer for that would compromise it... > > > > > > If one studes the life of James then by inference one learns about Jesus, particularly Eisenman........Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > No contemporary historian of Jesus even mentions his name. > > > > Do you think that odd? > > > > > > toombaru > > > That actually isn't true at all...but as I said you are a research illiterate full of your own circumnambulatory crap....> ANCIENT REFERENCES TO JESUS Other Sources Christians make much of the few non-Christian references to Jesus. As you shall see below, none of these sources are sufficient evidence to prove that there was an historical Jesus; viz., historical enough to overturn the speculation of some scholars that the legend was seeded by an Essene teacher executed around 100 BC. As I have shown in History of Christ, [put link here] the silence of Paul in his Epistles is prima facie evidence for the Gospels being too unreliable to be considered a source for the life or for the teachings of Jesus. The Pagan sources are no help to the Christians. · Flavius Josephus - c90CE · Suetonius - c120CE · Tactitus - 110CE · Pliny - c110CE · Thallus - cited in c300CE · Talmud - 200-500CE · 'Acts of Pilate' The Josephus passage is among the most celebrated as proving that Jesus existed: " Now, there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works; a teacher of such men as received the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day. " (Antiquities XVIII 63f) At first glance, this appears to be a very good source for the historical existence of Jesus. However, Josephus was a Jewish priest of high position and a general in the revolt against Rome. Given that in his long history of the Jews, there is no indication (other than this passage) that he was anything but an orthodox Jewish priest. And being such there is no way that he would have written such an account of one whom he would in no ways have considered the long awaited for Messiah of the Jews, a Messiah who would reestablish the Jewish state. The conflict between this passage and the rest of the book is strong evidence for the conclusion that the passage was an interpolation by a Christian scribea common practice. Futhermore, up until the 4th Century there are no mentions of Josephus having written about Jesus in this way. None of the Christian Church Fathers mentioned Josephus as having written about Jesus, and they specifically addressed in their writing the topic of Pagan sources on the life of Jesus. Justin Martyr and Origen, among others undoubtedly were familiar with Josephus history and would have been glad to use it to answer Pagan and Jewish critics. They did not, however, no mention of it at all. Origen actually said that Josephus did not acknowledge Jesus. The reasonable conclusion is that the passage is an interpolation done after the 4th century. Suetonius wrote: " Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he expelled them from Rome " . Life of Claudius (XXv.4) Who was Chrestus, since the term was not Latin for Christians? First, Suetonius spelt " Christians " correctly later in his book. 'Chrestus' is the correct Latin form of an actual Greek name. Perhaps Chrestus was a Jewish fanatic whose instigations got them expelled from Rome at about 49CE. Tactitus wrote that: " Consequently ... Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations. Called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberias at the hands of the Procurator Pontius Pilatus, and a deadly superstition, thus checked for a moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but also in the City. " Annals (XV.44.2-8) This passage it has been noted is informing his Roman audience about what was commonly said of Jesus. There is no indication that this passage is the product of Tacitus research in the death of Jesus. His silence on the topic of the Messiah indicates that if this passage is genuine, that Tacitus did not, nor his audience, believe Jesus to be the Jehovahs profit. The section is about the depravity of Nero. This particular piece is not quoted before the 15th Century, and when it was quoted, there was supposed to be only one copy of the 'Annals' in the world, made in the eighth century (600 years after Tacitus' death). Further evidence of an interpolation is that Tacitus would not have refered to Pilate as a Procurator, when he was a Prefect. Pliny wrote a letter to the emperor Trajan saying: " They also declared that the sum total of their guilt or error amounted to no more than this: that they had met regularly before dawn on a fixed day to chant verses alternately among themselves in honour of Christ as if to a god, and also to bind themselves by oath, not for any criminal purpose, but to abstain from theft, robbery, and adultery ... " He was asking Trajan to advise him what action to take against Christians living in Asia Minor. He proves that there were Christians there, but not that Jesus ever existed. Thallus is said to have written that Jesus' death was accompanied by earthquake and darkness. His original work has been lost and it was cited only in Julius Africanus' work in the third century. This is the only reference to unusual meterological events occuring after the death of Jesus outside the New Testament, which is strange as such things were routinely recorded. It is impossible to determine whether Thallus actually wrote this, or that it was an interpolation. The Talmud says Jesus was the illegitemate son of a Roman soldier called Pandera (or Pandira) who worked magic. However, most of that material derives from 200-500CE and is the Jewish reaction to the spread of Christianity. It is not a contemporary reference but a reaction to a movement. There are several other like passage, all of them equally unflattering. (For anti-Christian parts of the Talmud, including those referring to Jesus, refuted, please see http://crnews.pastornet.net.au/jmm/aasi/aasi0151.htm) Many Christians also make reference to the " Acts of Pilate " which Justin Martyr said was Pilate's report to Rome of the crucifixion of Jesus. Several other early church writers also referred to this, including Euseubius, who said there was a forged copy of that report circulating in his day. At the present time, the apocryphal Gospel of Nicodemus claims to have this report within it, and there is also another report. The second report, called " The letter of Pontius Pilate which he wrote to the Roman Emperor, concerning our Lord Jesus Christ. is thought by most historians to have been written in the fifth century. The Gospel of Nicodemus is thought to have been written c150-200 which leaves a small possibility that it has a copy of the report of Pilate in it, but the gospel is not accepted by most Christians as being authentic, and most historians doubt that it has the report of Pilate either. There are some other historical sources, but these are the main (and earliest) ones, so I will not cover them. There is a possibility that Jesus did exist, as vouchsafed by the historical evidence, but the practise of the Christian church in destroying records of Jesus (at one time, anyone attempting to preserve writings which were hostile to him was subject to the death penalty) and of falsifying various others (such as Josephus) has paradoxically made it unlikely we will ever be able to say with certainty that Jesus existed. Enter supporting content here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you believe everything you read eh?....Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > There's an old proverb that says: " Believe nothing of what you say and half of what you see. " > > > > > > > > > > > > I furthered this in realizing that the lie is in the beLIEf. And Sarlo also noticed that the *I* is in the middle of the be l I e F. > > > > > > > > > > > > However I have lived long enough to know that *I am* is a belief that is validated moment-to-moment with every individual life. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's up to each and every one of us as to how we *further it*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > My point is they are essentially illiterate and havn't studied anything about Jesus or any other sage..They can only hear the verbal diarohea from their own mouths... > > > > > If you study the Gospels you will find that Jesus didn't say much at all...directly but what little can be attributed to him is profound succinct and reality.....Like when Pilate asked him 'What is Truth'? Jesus didn't answer for that would compromise it... > > > > > > > > > > If one studes the life of James then by inference one learns about Jesus, particularly Eisenman........Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No contemporary historian of Jesus even mentions his name. > > > > > > > > Do you think that odd? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Toomb, > > > > > > There exists neither a single Jewish nor Roman record about Jesus during the time he is supposed to have lived. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Well, that does & doesn't surprise me. I read Schwitzer's book: *In Search of the Historical Jesus* many many years ago.. I remember that I would have like to have known the great humanitarian. nothing else. > > > > But it seems incongruous for all those martyrs to have died for nothing. Nor do I think it would be too far-fetched to have records *expunged* so to speak. It would be bad for business as usual, if not for all those damned followers. > > > > Ironically, the Koran mentions him as a Prophet. > > > > ~A > > > > > > Mohammed's history is even more undocumented. > > The smallest amount of research is enough to make the Jesus myth evaporate. > > > > http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/ > > > > toombaru > Toomie, if you think I'm gonna take as-Gods-honest-truth anything that someone or another sticks on the web, you've got another thought coming. However, I will say this much: if Jesus didn't exist, or his *story*, it/he should have. I'm too tired to expand on this...so I'll save it for another time. ~A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you believe everything you read eh?....Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's an old proverb that says: " Believe nothing of what you say and half of what you see. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I furthered this in realizing that the lie is in the beLIEf. And Sarlo also noticed that the *I* is in the middle of the be l I e F. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However I have lived long enough to know that *I am* is a belief that is validated moment-to-moment with every individual life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's up to each and every one of us as to how we *further it*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > My point is they are essentially illiterate and havn't studied anything about Jesus or any other sage..They can only hear the verbal diarohea from their own mouths... > > > > > > If you study the Gospels you will find that Jesus didn't say much at all...directly but what little can be attributed to him is profound succinct and reality.....Like when Pilate asked him 'What is Truth'? Jesus didn't answer for that would compromise it... > > > > > > > > > > > > If one studes the life of James then by inference one learns about Jesus, particularly Eisenman........Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No contemporary historian of Jesus even mentions his name. > > > > > > > > > > Do you think that odd? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Toomb, > > > > > > > > There exists neither a single Jewish nor Roman record about Jesus during the time he is supposed to have lived. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, that does & doesn't surprise me. I read Schwitzer's book: *In Search of the Historical Jesus* many many years ago.. I remember that I would have like to have known the great humanitarian. nothing else. > > > > > > But it seems incongruous for all those martyrs to have died for nothing. Nor do I think it would be too far-fetched to have records *expunged* so to speak. It would be bad for business as usual, if not for all those damned followers. > > > > > > Ironically, the Koran mentions him as a Prophet. > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > Mohammed's history is even more undocumented. > > > > The smallest amount of research is enough to make the Jesus myth evaporate. > > > > > > > > http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Toomie, if you think I'm gonna take as-Gods-honest-truth anything that someone or another sticks on the web, you've got another thought coming. > > However, I will say this much: if Jesus didn't exist, or his *story*, it/he should have. > > I'm too tired to expand on this...so I'll save it for another time. > > > ~A > Anna, Most Christians hear everything they know about Jesus in Sunday school. Read the entire story. He is an abomination. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: Snipped! > > Anna, > > Most Christians hear everything they know about Jesus in Sunday school. > > Read the entire story. > > He is an abomination. According to who? Most Christians doen't practice Christianity. Allegedly, he talked about two Commandments, and they both had to intrinsically connected to Love. You know... universal love. ~A > > > > > > toombaru > He is an abomination. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Snipped! > > > > > > Anna, > > > > Most Christians hear everything they know about Jesus in Sunday school. > > > > Read the entire story. > > > > He is an abomination. > > > According to who? > > Most Christians don't practice Christianity. > > Allegedly, he talked about two Commandments, and they both had to intrinsically connected to Love. You know... universal love. > > > > ~A > > And yet he tells us that he is returning with a big sword to condemn non-believers to eternal damnation. Go figure. :-0 toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Read the entire story. He is an abomination. toombaru .... " the entire story " ..... How shallow can human minds be... -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Snipped! > > > > > > > > > > Anna, > > > > > > Most Christians hear everything they know about Jesus in Sunday school. > > > > > > Read the entire story. > > > > > > He is an abomination. > > > > > > According to who? > > > > Most Christians don't practice Christianity. > > > > Allegedly, he talked about two Commandments, and they both had to intrinsically connected to Love. You know... universal love. > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > And yet he tells us that he is returning with a big sword to condemn non-believers to eternal damnation. > > > Go figure. > > > :-0 > > > > toombaru > Well, it's like this toombuster, have you changed your mind in the last ohh... 50 years? If Christ were to return, might he not have thought THAT thought through to its logical conclusion? Remember, he was the best history had to offer at that time...and what did the poor man know except what he learned at the feet of his *gurus* until he decided to take matters into his own hands. Besides, Christ returns <in> each and every one of us. Have you had THAT experience? Quite cool, actually. ~A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > So you believe everything you read eh?....Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, Tony. > > > > > > > > There's an old proverb that says: " Believe nothing of what you say and half of what you see. " > > > > > > > > I furthered this in realizing that the lie is in the beLIEf. And Sarlo also noticed that the *I* is in the middle of the be l I e F. > > > > > > > > However I have lived long enough to know that *I am* is a belief that is validated moment-to-moment with every individual life. > > > > > > > > It's up to each and every one of us as to how we *further it*. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > My point is they are essentially illiterate and havn't studied anything about Jesus or any other sage..They can only hear the verbal diarohea from their own mouths... > > > If you study the Gospels you will find that Jesus didn't say much at all...directly but what little can be attributed to him is profound succinct and reality.....Like when Pilate asked him 'What is Truth'? Jesus didn't answer for that would compromise it... > > > > > > If one studes the life of James then by inference one learns about Jesus, particularly Eisenman........Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > No contemporary historian of Jesus even mentions his name. > > > > Do you think that odd? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Yes Toomb, > > There exists neither a single Jewish nor Roman record about Jesus during the time he is supposed to have lived. > > Werner > There is a first century Roman historian named " Josephus " who cites Jesus as having been convited to crucifixion by Pontius Pilate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > So you believe everything you read eh?....Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, Tony. > > > > > > > > > > There's an old proverb that says: " Believe nothing of what you say and half of what you see. " > > > > > > > > > > I furthered this in realizing that the lie is in the beLIEf. And Sarlo also noticed that the *I* is in the middle of the be l I e F. > > > > > > > > > > However I have lived long enough to know that *I am* is a belief that is validated moment-to-moment with every individual life. > > > > > > > > > > It's up to each and every one of us as to how we *further it*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > My point is they are essentially illiterate and havn't studied anything about Jesus or any other sage..They can only hear the verbal diarohea from their own mouths... > > > > If you study the Gospels you will find that Jesus didn't say much at all...directly but what little can be attributed to him is profound succinct and reality.....Like when Pilate asked him 'What is Truth'? Jesus didn't answer for that would compromise it... > > > > > > > > If one studes the life of James then by inference one learns about Jesus, particularly Eisenman........Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No contemporary historian of Jesus even mentions his name. > > > > > > Do you think that odd? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Yes Toomb, > > > > There exists neither a single Jewish nor Roman record about Jesus during the time he is supposed to have lived. > > > > Werner > > > There is a first century Roman historian named " Josephus " who cites Jesus as having been convited to crucifixion by Pontius Pilate. > On the paucity of such information......you base your life? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you believe everything you read eh?....Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > There's an old proverb that says: " Believe nothing of what you say and half of what you see. " > > > > > > > > > > > > I furthered this in realizing that the lie is in the beLIEf. And Sarlo also noticed that the *I* is in the middle of the be l I e F. > > > > > > > > > > > > However I have lived long enough to know that *I am* is a belief that is validated moment-to-moment with every individual life. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's up to each and every one of us as to how we *further it*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > My point is they are essentially illiterate and havn't studied anything about Jesus or any other sage..They can only hear the verbal diarohea from their own mouths... > > > > > If you study the Gospels you will find that Jesus didn't say much at all...directly but what little can be attributed to him is profound succinct and reality.....Like when Pilate asked him 'What is Truth'? Jesus didn't answer for that would compromise it... > > > > > > > > > > If one studes the life of James then by inference one learns about Jesus, particularly Eisenman........Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No contemporary historian of Jesus even mentions his name. > > > > > > > > Do you think that odd? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Toomb, > > > > > > There exists neither a single Jewish nor Roman record about Jesus during the time he is supposed to have lived. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > There is a first century Roman historian named " Josephus " who cites Jesus as having been convited to crucifixion by Pontius Pilate. > > > > > > > On the paucity of such information......you base your life? > > > > > toombaru > I don't base my life on anything related to Jesus...just wanted to let you know that there is indeed a current first century Roman historian who mentions Jesus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > So you believe everything you read eh?....Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, Tony. > > > > > > > > > > There's an old proverb that says: " Believe nothing of what you say and half of what you see. " > > > > > > > > > > I furthered this in realizing that the lie is in the beLIEf. And Sarlo also noticed that the *I* is in the middle of the be l I e F. > > > > > > > > > > However I have lived long enough to know that *I am* is a belief that is validated moment-to-moment with every individual life. > > > > > > > > > > It's up to each and every one of us as to how we *further it*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > My point is they are essentially illiterate and havn't studied anything about Jesus or any other sage..They can only hear the verbal diarohea from their own mouths... > > > > If you study the Gospels you will find that Jesus didn't say much at all...directly but what little can be attributed to him is profound succinct and reality.....Like when Pilate asked him 'What is Truth'? Jesus didn't answer for that would compromise it... > > > > > > > > If one studes the life of James then by inference one learns about Jesus, particularly Eisenman........Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No contemporary historian of Jesus even mentions his name. > > > > > > Do you think that odd? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Yes Toomb, > > > > There exists neither a single Jewish nor Roman record about Jesus during the time he is supposed to have lived. > > > > Werner > > > There is a first century Roman historian named " Josephus " who cites Jesus as having been convited to crucifixion by Pontius Pilate. > Douglas, Citations, citations, all second hand and hear say. But there is no single true first hand report of someone who met Jesus. Btw, Toomb already mentioned Josephus. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you believe everything you read eh?....Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > There's an old proverb that says: " Believe nothing of what you say and half of what you see. " > > > > > > > > > > > > I furthered this in realizing that the lie is in the beLIEf. And Sarlo also noticed that the *I* is in the middle of the be l I e F. > > > > > > > > > > > > However I have lived long enough to know that *I am* is a belief that is validated moment-to-moment with every individual life. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's up to each and every one of us as to how we *further it*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > My point is they are essentially illiterate and havn't studied anything about Jesus or any other sage..They can only hear the verbal diarohea from their own mouths... > > > > > If you study the Gospels you will find that Jesus didn't say much at all...directly but what little can be attributed to him is profound succinct and reality.....Like when Pilate asked him 'What is Truth'? Jesus didn't answer for that would compromise it... > > > > > > > > > > If one studes the life of James then by inference one learns about Jesus, particularly Eisenman........Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No contemporary historian of Jesus even mentions his name. > > > > > > > > Do you think that odd? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Toomb, > > > > > > There exists neither a single Jewish nor Roman record about Jesus during the time he is supposed to have lived. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > There is a first century Roman historian named " Josephus " who cites Jesus as having been convited to crucifixion by Pontius Pilate. > > > > > Douglas, > > Citations, citations, all second hand and hear say. But there is no single true first hand report of someone who met Jesus. > > Btw, Toomb already mentioned Josephus. > > Werner > I couldn't care less about Jesus or Christianity unless they encroach upon my freedom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " aoclery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you believe everything you read eh?....Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's an old proverb that says: " Believe nothing of what you say and half of what you see. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I furthered this in realizing that the lie is in the beLIEf. And Sarlo also noticed that the *I* is in the middle of the be l I e F. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However I have lived long enough to know that *I am* is a belief that is validated moment-to-moment with every individual life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's up to each and every one of us as to how we *further it*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > My point is they are essentially illiterate and havn't studied anything about Jesus or any other sage..They can only hear the verbal diarohea from their own mouths... > > > > > > If you study the Gospels you will find that Jesus didn't say much at all...directly but what little can be attributed to him is profound succinct and reality.....Like when Pilate asked him 'What is Truth'? Jesus didn't answer for that would compromise it... > > > > > > > > > > > > If one studes the life of James then by inference one learns about Jesus, particularly Eisenman........Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No contemporary historian of Jesus even mentions his name. > > > > > > > > > > Do you think that odd? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Toomb, > > > > > > > > There exists neither a single Jewish nor Roman record about Jesus during the time he is supposed to have lived. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > There is a first century Roman historian named " Josephus " who cites Jesus as having been convited to crucifixion by Pontius Pilate. > > > > > > > > > Douglas, > > > > Citations, citations, all second hand and hear say. But there is no single true first hand report of someone who met Jesus. > > > > Btw, Toomb already mentioned Josephus. > > > > Werner > > > I couldn't care less about Jesus or Christianity unless they encroach upon my freedom. > That's a word, Douglas ! You are welcome. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > There is a first century Roman historian named " Josephus " who cites Jesus as having been convited to crucifixion by Pontius Pilate. > > > > > > > On the paucity of such information......you base your life? > > > > > toombaru LOL... u can be a crackup, Toom ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
