Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Posted August 21, 2009 You may believe you have a self, and are trying to get rid of it. But you actually have no self, and are attempting to create and maintain one. This is why words/concepts 'don't do the trick'. The attempt to have a self falls away, or not. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Posted August 21, 2009 - fewtch Nisargadatta Friday, August 21, 2009 2:59 PM Self You may believe you have a self, and are trying to get rid of it. But you actually have no self, and are attempting to create and maintain one. This is why words/concepts 'don't do the trick'. The attempt to have a self falls away, or not. -t- I think the " trick " is understanding. It is not a matter of effort. The understanding of the meaning of an " I " as " observer " , and the fact that observer can not be observed. Once the false is seen/understood...nothing else is needed....except perhaps understading again and again... -geo- Quote
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Friday, August 21, 2009 2:59 PM > Self > > > You may believe you have a self, and are trying to get rid of it. > > But you actually have no self, and are attempting to create and maintain > one. > > This is why words/concepts 'don't do the trick'. > > The attempt to have a self falls away, or not. > -t- > > I think the " trick " is understanding. It is not a matter of effort. Yes, I agree.. definitely not a matter of effort. It's as though awareness is 'rewired' in a new configuration, or rather, the old configuration (self/other) simply drops away. The " wiring " for it is lost. It could be a matter of neurons in the brain, I don't know... speculation. In any case, the self/other configuration isn't there anymore, or is there " provisionally " when socializing, seen as an as-if sort of thing, a matter of custom and convention. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Posted August 21, 2009 - fewtch Nisargadatta Friday, August 21, 2009 3:49 PM Re: Self Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Friday, August 21, 2009 2:59 PM > Self > > > You may believe you have a self, and are trying to get rid of it. > > But you actually have no self, and are attempting to create and maintain > one. > > This is why words/concepts 'don't do the trick'. > > The attempt to have a self falls away, or not. > -t- > > I think the " trick " is understanding. It is not a matter of effort. Yes, I agree.. definitely not a matter of effort. It's as though awareness is 'rewired' in a new configuration, or rather, the old configuration (self/other) simply drops away. The " wiring " for it is lost. It could be a matter of neurons in the brain, I don't know... speculation. In any case, the self/other configuration isn't there anymore, or is there " provisionally " when socializing, seen as an as-if sort of thing, a matter of custom and convention. -t- It is interersting...the neurons ting. Not actualy what happens with moleculs and cels, but the quality of a mind that has understood. Is it definitive? Is there some gradual change? Nothing is gradual in the nature of the understanding - no, but perhaps in the quality that results from the changes in the structure of the mind. We are not dealing with neuroscience here.... -geo- Quote
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Posted August 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Friday, August 21, 2009 2:59 PM > Self > > > You may believe you have a self, and are trying to get rid of it. > > But you actually have no self, and are attempting to create and maintain > one. > > This is why words/concepts 'don't do the trick'. > > The attempt to have a self falls away, or not. > -t- > > I think the " trick " is understanding. It is not a matter of effort. The > understanding of the meaning of an " I " as " observer " , and the fact that > observer can not be observed. Once the false is seen/understood...nothing > else is needed....except perhaps understading again and again... > -geo- The distinction between true and false only occurs in time. - D - Quote
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Posted August 22, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:15 AM Re: Self Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Friday, August 21, 2009 2:59 PM > Self > > > You may believe you have a self, and are trying to get rid of it. > > But you actually have no self, and are attempting to create and maintain > one. > > This is why words/concepts 'don't do the trick'. > > The attempt to have a self falls away, or not. > -t- > > I think the " trick " is understanding. It is not a matter of effort. The > understanding of the meaning of an " I " as " observer " , and the fact that > observer can not be observed. Once the false is seen/understood...nothing > else is needed....except perhaps understading again and again... > -geo- The distinction between true and false only occurs in time. - D - Everything is true. The false as false is true. -geo- Quote
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Posted August 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:15 AM > Re: Self > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > fewtch > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, August 21, 2009 2:59 PM > > Self > > > > > > You may believe you have a self, and are trying to get rid of it. > > > > But you actually have no self, and are attempting to create and maintain > > one. > > > > This is why words/concepts 'don't do the trick'. > > > > The attempt to have a self falls away, or not. > > -t- > > > > I think the " trick " is understanding. It is not a matter of effort. The > > understanding of the meaning of an " I " as " observer " , and the fact that > > observer can not be observed. Once the false is seen/understood...nothing > > else is needed....except perhaps understading again and again... > > -geo- > > The distinction between true and false only occurs in time. > > - D - > > Everything is true. The false as false is true. > -geo- No-thing is either true, or false. Imagined (as being static, fixed, existent). Quote
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Posted August 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:15 AM > > Re: Self > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > fewtch > > > Nisargadatta > > > Friday, August 21, 2009 2:59 PM > > > Self > > > > > > > > > You may believe you have a self, and are trying to get rid of it. > > > > > > But you actually have no self, and are attempting to create and maintain > > > one. > > > > > > This is why words/concepts 'don't do the trick'. > > > > > > The attempt to have a self falls away, or not. > > > -t- > > > > > > I think the " trick " is understanding. It is not a matter of effort. The > > > understanding of the meaning of an " I " as " observer " , and the fact that > > > observer can not be observed. Once the false is seen/understood...nothing > > > else is needed....except perhaps understading again and again... > > > -geo- > > > > The distinction between true and false only occurs in time. > > > > - D - > > > > Everything is true. The false as false is true. > > -geo- > > No-thing is either true, or false. > > Imagined (as being static, fixed, existent). It's sorta like the flow of water coming out of a faucet... The water coming out can't be called a 'thing'. Everything is like the water, ceaselessly changing. Quote
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:15 AM > Re: Self > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > fewtch > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, August 21, 2009 2:59 PM > > Self > > > > > > You may believe you have a self, and are trying to get rid of it. > > > > But you actually have no self, and are attempting to create and maintain > > one. > > > > This is why words/concepts 'don't do the trick'. > > > > The attempt to have a self falls away, or not. > > -t- > > > > I think the " trick " is understanding. It is not a matter of effort. The > > understanding of the meaning of an " I " as " observer " , and the fact that > > observer can not be observed. Once the false is seen/understood...nothing > > else is needed....except perhaps understading again and again... > > -geo- > > The distinction between true and false only occurs in time. > > - D - > > Everything is true. The false as false is true. > -geo- True and false are relative, and depend on the evaluation of an observer. No observer, no true or false. - D - Quote
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