Guest guest Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You are both posing as you have arrived at some profound > > > > > understanding.....and that that understanding has evaporated your > > > > > sense of separation. > > > > > > > > > > I know that you think that you believe what you say. > > > > > > > > > > But........what you think.....is only what you think > > > > > > > > > > (the answer is in the last sentence) > > > > > > > > Uhuh, yes, Toom. > > > > > > > > You are here with us, to know what we are thinking. > > > > > > > > Or -- are you there with yourself, knowing only what you're thinking? > > > > > > > > Doh. > > > > > > > > Reality is too obvious to be seen by a conceptual being, who imagines to be 'out there' with 'others'. > > > > > > > > Are these words, here, out there with others? > > > > > > > > It's just too obvious. > > > > > > > > Toom won't see it. He isn't capable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toom knows that it can't be seen. > > > > > > And you think that you have arrived. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Is that your Ram Tzu imitation? > > > > - D - > > > > > > I like Ram Tzu. :-) > > > > > toombaru Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At what point do you get sick of asserting what you're negating, and negating what you're asserting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Probably the same day that you do. Or do you > > > > > > > > > think you are not asserting and negating > > > > > > > > > and repeating with every sentence? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't said anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither has Toom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't you have anything constructive to add? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, construction is what ails you, Danny boy. > > > > > > > Why would you post so often if not to > > > > > > > construct Dan? Dan x 330033. Haha! > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete's best explanation for the motivations of a you who makes words he reads appear on his screen. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing, Pete. > > > > > > > > > > > > Glad you cleared up that mystery. > > > > > > > > > > > > Good work! > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > We're all enlightened now, thanks to Pete's enlightened assumptions. > > > > > > > > > > The more awake and enlightened an assumption is, the truer it is. > > > > > > > > > > The truest assumption, is an awake assumption. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are both posing as you have arrived at some profound understanding.....and that that understanding has evaporated your sense of separation. > > > > > > > > I know that you think that you believe what you say. > > > > > > > > But........what you think.....is only what you think > > > > > > > > (the answer is in the last sentence) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Clearly, that's what you were thinking about at the time you typed it, translated into words, and put up there for you to look at. > > > > > > Wonder if you're learning something from it? > > > > > > Who would be the learner? > > > > > > The one who typed it? > > > > > > But that one already knew what he was thinking at the time he typed it. > > > > > > So, it can only be for enjoyment's sake. > > > > > > Contributing to the display that is all that is anyway. > > > > > > It's the all you station, all the time. > > > > > > - D - > > > > Naah... it's gotta be about " someone else " ... > > > > After all, Toomie read it, Toomie interpreted it, and Toomie responded to it. > > > > There's gotta be an 'other' somewhere in that loop ;-). > > > > > > The conceptual negation of the conceptual others turns out to be one of the hardest things that I have ever tried to explain to Muggins. > > > > > > toombaru P.S. it's actually very easy to explain, albeit conceptual. The one who reads, interprets and responds is projecting 'other'. Everybody does this. Therefore, there has never been an 'other'. And therefore, no self either. It doesn't do anything to the illusion of self, unless looked into directly, in a case where one isn't pretending to be absent as awareness, and therefore unable to be aware. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At what point do you get sick of asserting what you're negating, and negating what you're asserting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Probably the same day that you do. Or do you > > > > > > > > > > think you are not asserting and negating > > > > > > > > > > and repeating with every sentence? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't said anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither has Toom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't you have anything constructive to add? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, construction is what ails you, Danny boy. > > > > > > > > Why would you post so often if not to > > > > > > > > construct Dan? Dan x 330033. Haha! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete's best explanation for the motivations of a you who makes words he reads appear on his screen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing, Pete. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Glad you cleared up that mystery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good work! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > We're all enlightened now, thanks to Pete's enlightened assumptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > The more awake and enlightened an assumption is, the truer it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > The truest assumption, is an awake assumption. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are both posing as you have arrived at some profound understanding.....and that that understanding has evaporated your sense of separation. > > > > > > > > > > I know that you think that you believe what you say. > > > > > > > > > > But........what you think.....is only what you think > > > > > > > > > > (the answer is in the last sentence) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Clearly, that's what you were thinking about at the time you typed it, translated into words, and put up there for you to look at. > > > > > > > > Wonder if you're learning something from it? > > > > > > > > Who would be the learner? > > > > > > > > The one who typed it? > > > > > > > > But that one already knew what he was thinking at the time he typed it. > > > > > > > > So, it can only be for enjoyment's sake. > > > > > > > > Contributing to the display that is all that is anyway. > > > > > > > > It's the all you station, all the time. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Naah... it's gotta be about " someone else " ... > > > > > > After all, Toomie read it, Toomie interpreted it, and Toomie responded to it. > > > > > > There's gotta be an 'other' somewhere in that loop ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > The conceptual negation of the conceptual others turns out to be one of the hardest things that I have ever tried to explain to Muggins. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > P.S. it's actually very easy to explain, albeit conceptual. > > The one who reads, interprets and responds is projecting 'other'. > > Everybody does this. > > Therefore, there has never been an 'other'. > > And therefore, no self either. > > It doesn't do anything to the illusion of self, unless looked into > directly, in a case where one isn't pretending to be absent as > awareness, and therefore unable to be aware. P.S. sorry to break it to the reader (if in fact it's news), but the reason for your aloneness/loneliness... is that you're alone. At the bottom of the pit is the end of self, and the end of all aloneness/loneliness. Does one have the courage to explore this, or do the games continue? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > > Wonder if you're learning something from it? > > > > > > > > Who would be the learner? > > > > > > > > The one who typed it? > > > > > > > > But that one already knew what he was thinking at the time he typed it. > > > > > > > > So, it can only be for enjoyment's sake. > > > > > > > > Contributing to the display that is all that is anyway. > > > > > > > > It's the all you station, all the time. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Naah... it's gotta be about " someone else " ... > > > > > > After all, Toomie read it, Toomie interpreted it, and Toomie responded to it. > > > > > > There's gotta be an 'other' somewhere in that loop ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > The conceptual negation of the conceptual others turns out to be > > one of the hardest things that I have ever tried to explain to > > Muggins. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Well, thump yourself up side the head then, Muggins. > Oh Tim, You and Dan have worked your selfs up in a conceptual consenses delusion. You believe that you have it captured in a jar and can't understand why everyone else can see what is so clear to you. Any belief system is just that.......a belief system. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You are both posing as you have arrived at some profound > > > > > > understanding.....and that that understanding has evaporated your > > > > > > sense of separation. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that you think that you believe what you say. > > > > > > > > > > > > But........what you think.....is only what you think > > > > > > > > > > > > (the answer is in the last sentence) > > > > > > > > > > Uhuh, yes, Toom. > > > > > > > > > > You are here with us, to know what we are thinking. > > > > > > > > > > Or -- are you there with yourself, knowing only what you're thinking? > > > > > > > > > > Doh. > > > > > > > > > > Reality is too obvious to be seen by a conceptual being, who imagines to be 'out there' with 'others'. > > > > > > > > > > Are these words, here, out there with others? > > > > > > > > > > It's just too obvious. > > > > > > > > > > Toom won't see it. He isn't capable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toom knows that it can't be seen. > > > > > > > > And you think that you have arrived. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Is that your Ram Tzu imitation? > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > I like Ram Tzu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. > > > - D - > Can you tell us of one of your original thoughts? Every thought is imitation. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Oh Tim, > > You and Dan have worked your selfs up in a conceptual consenses > delusion. LOL... I'm so worked up! Oooh! Oooh! Oooh! You're funny, Toom ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. > > > > > > - D - > > > > Can you tell us of one of your original thoughts? > Every thought is imitation. > > > > toombaru Could be no one's ever uttered the word " Calamonjaloblidget " before, who knows ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At what point do you get sick of asserting what you're negating, and negating what you're asserting? > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > P: Probably the same day that you do. Or do you > > > think you are not asserting and negating > > > and repeating with every sentence? > > > > > > I haven't said anything. > > > > Neither has Toom. > > > > Don't you have anything constructive to add? > > > > - D - > > No, construction is what ails you, Danny boy. > Why would you post so often if not to > construct Dan? Dan x 330033. Haha! > yes! Dan hasn't said anything to anybody.....except to/by/from this his fabulous constructions and imaginations....that He Is..... let's analyse some more constructions.....and selfmade prisons.....i mean, this fantastic enlightened and lonely clowns....that we aren't, and never have been lol Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Wonder if you're learning something from it? > > > > > > > > > > Who would be the learner? > > > > > > > > > > The one who typed it? > > > > > > > > > > But that one already knew what he was thinking at the time he typed it. > > > > > > > > > > So, it can only be for enjoyment's sake. > > > > > > > > > > Contributing to the display that is all that is anyway. > > > > > > > > > > It's the all you station, all the time. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > Naah... it's gotta be about " someone else " ... > > > > > > > > After all, Toomie read it, Toomie interpreted it, and Toomie responded to it. > > > > > > > > There's gotta be an 'other' somewhere in that loop ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conceptual negation of the conceptual others turns out to be > > > one of the hardest things that I have ever tried to explain to > > > Muggins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Well, thump yourself up side the head then, Muggins. > > > > > > > Oh Tim, > > You and Dan have worked your selfs up in a conceptual consenses > delusion. > > You believe that you have it captured in a jar and can't understand why everyone else can see what is so clear to you. > > > Any belief system is just that.......a belief system. > > > > > toombaru Funny, I don't feel worked up at all. Nothing up my sleeve. Nothing in my glass jar. Hmmm ... but you said there was something there. Maybe there was something there, in the " belief system " you dreamed about last night. Hey, maybe you have one of those belief systems in your jar -- could I have a look at it? - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > Can you tell us of one of your original thoughts? > > Every thought is imitation. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Could be no one's ever uttered the word " Calamonjaloblidget " before, who knows ;-). I have an original thought that uses letters no one ever invented before. I tried to type it, but my keyboard doesn't know how. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
