Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:39 PM > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Is there the need of a > > > belief on a self to add 2+2? or not. Be direct. > > > -geo- > > > > > > The self isn't something you believe on. > > > > > > It is a structuring of beliefs based on continuity, on time. > > > > > > You only die to this when there is no other option for you. > > > > > > Otherwise, you will maintain your continuity as best you're able. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Yes...but that is not the same subject. > > > > I want to stay on my subject. > > > > I want to keep my focus. > > > > Don't distract me by bringing up something extraneous, like the death of > > this center and the conceptual world it inhabits. > > > > > > > > To add 2+2 must you wait for awareness to go to the kitchen make some > > > coffee, so that you can make the addition? > > > > I am going to stay on my subject, and I will get you to admit that I'm > > right. > > > > > Then when awareness comes back cup in hands you pretend you did not add? > > > Or is ANY activity, event, thing, arrising..... being AS consciousness > > > IN awareness?? > > > > Each perceptual moment is timeless, arises without coming into existence, > > dissolves without anything going out of existence. > > > > There never is or has been any self-center in existence, so the problem > > you are struggling with is a false problem. > > > > You want to know that there can be a person functioning with no > > self-center, doing math problems, responding to the needs of the moment. > > > > I understand why you want to know this, because it has been discussed so > > often - it is the " spiritual " wish - to be such a person, to know such a > > person, to bring about such people in the world. > > > > But this concept of a person with no-self, different from other people > > with selves, is a self-serving contradictory conceptualization. > > > > If the center truly goes, concepts like this about special persons who > > don't have a center, also go. Because such a concept is irrelevant. Who > > would it be important to? If you have no center you are investing in > > continuing, do you want to keep a concept " I am a person with no center, > > unlike other people who have centers? " Give me a break! That is an > > unnecessary self-centered concept; no wonder it gets promoted so much in > > " spiritual " circles. Spiritual circles are invested in hiding and denying > > the self-center, while preserving it through the development of a > > " spiritual outlook " ... > > > > > Are there certain activities that perclude awareness? Like walking on a > > > street - because there is localization and recognition, sitting on a > > > chair - same reason, adding 2+2 - the same reason?? No. ANY thing is > > > already awareness in any way and the only thing that could prevent it is > > > something called a self - that is nonexitent. What is your objection > > > towards additions, multiplications, streets and chairs? Dont take this > > > personally. > > > > If you really believe that I object to math and chairs, or that I'm saying > > that one aware can't be aware of math or chairs, you've utterly > > misconstrued what I've been saying. > > > > I'm used to it, having posted frequently on the internet. > > > > Unless the attempt to continue a conceptual center truly dies, then > > everything heard will be heard through the lens of self-validation. Every > > interaction will involve attempted self-validation. > > > > There are so many different ways and means for self-validation to occur: > > spiritual ways, material ways. Everything from war to making love, setting > > out to help the poor to making money, being right about everything to > > being really humble, asserting one's existence to suicide. But all > > strategies to self-validate. > > > > Until there isn't any strategy. > > > > - D - > > > > It's best to stay at the place of being a self with no center....if you can. > > That is the highest and most refined perspective that the conceptual entity > can reach. > > That is being an adult in a world of children. > > Stay there if you can......and you will experience the best of both worlds. > > Just beyond that is the Great Nothingness....the " solid wall " of > Nisargadatta. > > And that is not at all what anyone could possibly want. > > toombaru > > So the conceptual entity should reach some refined perspective?? > But that is just a conceptual perspective then. > -geo- > Find out for your self. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 15, 2009 4:09 PM Re: daily Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 11:45 AM > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:31 AM > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thought arises and departs. > > > > > > > > > > It didn't do anything. > > > > > > > > > > It didn't make some little field exist and then stop existing. > > > > > > > > > > It just flickered for an instant and was gone. > > > > > > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > That is what I said. You say that to ad 2+2=4 there is need of > > > > > someone > > > > > to > > > > > benefit from it. > > > > > > > > > > You said " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of > > > > > order, > > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, who > > > > > likes > > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? " > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > When you're not there to answer, can't answer, you won't have any > > > > question > > > > either. > > > > > > > > You'll understand what no continuity is, because you won't have any. > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, you can think you've figured out that you can add 2 + 2 = > > > > 4 > > > > without having any self involved, and you will feel like that really > > > > means > > > > you know something. > > > > > > > > But you won't know what it is to have the answer to 2 + 2 without > > > > any > > > > continuity involved, and without any caring whether it could change > > > > to 5 > > > > tomorrow. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > Really? And what about typing on keyboards? Choosing words? Reading > > > > sentences? Mating the right word with the right meaning? In which > > > > way is > > > > that different from adding 2+2? And cooking, driving and walking?? > > > > > Are > > > > you > > > > not doing all that right now? > > > > > > Huh? Cooking, driving and walking, all at the same time, right > > > now? That'd really be a trick... would love to see that ;-). > > > > P.S. that's basically what Dan meant by 'continuity'. By suggesting all > > those things and then saying " are you not doing all that, right now? " > > you're > > assuming continuity, as though " right now " means " isn't there a you > > there > > that can do all those things? " . > > > > But the actual " right now " doesn't involve any " me " . > > -tim- > > > > I think that is it yes. Everytime dan chooses some event as an > > impediment to > > awareness he is sleeping. > > I've never once gotten the impression that Dan chose some event that's an > impediment to awareness. > > That was Geo's interpretation of Dan's writing. Funny. Just before reading this response from Tim, I responded to Geo's email. Now I see that Tim wrote already the same thing I said. > We have been through this thing as walking in > > streets, sitting on chairs, typing keyboards and now adding 2+2. Nothing > > is > > not awareness. > > -geo- > > Dan never even remotely suggested otherwise. > > In fact, he's stated directly and succinctly that awareness is all there > is. Yes, isn't that hilarious. Well, actually I usually say that nothing arises separately from awareness, or outside of awareness, because I don't particularly like " everything is green cheese " kinds of statements. But yes, it boils down to everything is of awareness, and awareness is of nothing, and nothing is of emptiness, and emptiness is empty of emptiness, and ... oops, no more and's ... Anyway, with all these dramatic turns and twists, I'm sure the audience is really feeling involved in the truth-battles on the Nisargadatta list. LOL, - D - Audience? Are you really concerned with that? Well ...actually...... maybe I should also. Never crossed my mind - although I just dont belive there are 1300+ silent members here. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 15, 2009 11:50 AM > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 11:39 AM > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:31 AM > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thought arises and departs. > > > > > > > > It didn't do anything. > > > > > > > > It didn't make some little field exist and then stop existing. > > > > > > > > It just flickered for an instant and was gone. > > > > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > That is what I said. You say that to ad 2+2=4 there is need of someone > > > > to > > > > benefit from it. > > > > > > > > You said " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, who > > > > likes > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? " > > > > -geo- > > > > > > When you're not there to answer, can't answer, you won't have any > > > question > > > either. > > > > > > You'll understand what no continuity is, because you won't have any. > > > > > > Meanwhile, you can think you've figured out that you can add 2 + 2 = 4 > > > without having any self involved, and you will feel like that really > > > means > > > you know something. > > > > > > But you won't know what it is to have the answer to 2 + 2 without any > > > continuity involved, and without any caring whether it could change to 5 > > > tomorrow. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Really? And what about typing on keyboards? Choosing words? Reading > > > sentences? Mating the right word with the right meaning? In which way is > > > that different from adding 2+2? And cooking, driving and walking?? > Are > > > you > > > not doing all that right now? > > > > Huh? Cooking, driving and walking, all at the same time, right now? That'd > > really be a trick... would love to see that ;-). > > -tim- > > > > Yes me too LOL > > But no need. Just any of those. Is there any impediment to awareness > > because > > you are cooking? Or doing anything? Does awareness abhors certain > > activities > > like walking, driving or typing? > > -geo- > > No, but continuity is not involved 'right now', and 'right now' is as these > words are arising and being read, right now... as these words here are being > read, no 'me' is involved in reading them... they're simply appearing, > arising as thought, are they not? > -tim- > > Yes. Some don t like the word " now " . Never mind. Non-fragmented > being....Even continuity to some extent is not obstacle. Without SOME > continuity we could not live. The trouble is the continuity of some inner > entity. > -geo- No, Geo. There isn't any actual continuity at all. We live discontinously. You keep bringing up this inner entity thing. Have you found one yet, inside of you? Some inner entity? Have you understood yet, that any inner entity you're finding to be involved in others, out there, is projected? What about Krishnamurti, when he confronted people because their actions were proceeding from their sense of a self-center? Am I saying that he was projecting? Am I saying that he could not recognize in someone out there, something that was not of his own experience being projected? What about Buddha when he addressed humans who were suffering and that he had a way to end suffering? Am I saying that he only could understand others as suffering because he had the experience of suffering in his past and could project that? And am I saying that Krishnamurti, understood as a person who spoke, is a projection? And am I saying that Geo, Tim, and Dan are projections? Huh? Yes. Projections all, images all, conceptualities ... Projected " as if " ... continuing, " as if " having duration. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Dan never even remotely suggested otherwise. > > > > In fact, he's stated directly and succinctly that awareness is all there is. > > -tim > > == > > Really? > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, who likes that > > security, who wants there to be continuity? > > -d- > > and then.... > > > > To whom does the number 2 represent a quantity? > > Where is it known what a quantity is, that is represented by a number?> > > Who learned in the past how to add, and from whence is the structure > > derived that allows an equation to make sense? > > -d- > > == > > -geo- > > You don't seem to be aware to what extent you're " reading in " your own interpretation. > > One hundred percent. > > If I'm wrong, why not wait to ask Dan what he meant, instead of making so many assumptions? > > But I'm not wrong. No, you're right on. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Is one thus aware, even while typing, even while involved in activities that assume continuity? > > Yes. > > - D - > > This is all I was saying. Nothing else. > -geo- You were saying a lot else. But have it your way, that's all you were saying. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:48 PM > Re: Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > Is one thus aware, even while typing, even while involved in activities > that assume continuity? > > Yes. > > - D - > > This is all I was saying. Nothing else. > > So now let us answer those questions you proposed: > > d: When you say " for example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of > order, stability, repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, > who benefits > from these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to be > continuity? " > > answer: Nobady. There is no entity that needs to benefit. No entity that > needs such frail sense of security and no entity " even while involved in > activities that assume continuity " . > -geo- It's a question to be answered from the depths of one's being. It is a question to be answered, not by verbally knowing the right thing to say, but through the actuality of living as dying, dead while alive, choicelessly. Being aware at one's own funeral, so to speak. It has nothing to do with producing the correct answer on an e-list. One is aware at one's own funeral, and there is no one to speak to about it, no recognition to be had, no correct thing to say. -D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:41 PM > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33 AM > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is the same as saying that there is an unitary > > > > seeing/being/doing, no fragmentation within the field. When you say " for > > > > example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, stability, > > > > repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, who benefits > > > > from > > > > these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to be > > > > continuity? " , you are implicitly stating that there is no way to live in > > > > this world in a non-fragmented way. > > > > > > > > No, I'm not stating that at all. > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, who likes > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? > > > > > > > > Are you not implying the existence of some entity? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > I'm saying understand the motivation for developing a system of > > > mathematics. > > > > > > It would never have been developed without someone benefitting from the > > > order it provided. > > > > > > The work would not have gone into it. > > > > > > I'm saying understand human nature. > > > > > > Unless you undertand human nature, and particularly its fear, and are that > > > fear, you won't die to it. > > > > > > Dying to the known is not a bunch of ideas. > > > > > > It is to die. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > And after I am dead will I be unable to add 2+2? > > > -geo- > > > > There isn't any before or after to this death, Geo. > > > > One dies to before and after. > > > > - D - > > > > One dies to all that and can do even derivations or study physics. > > Localization is not an impediment at all. > > -geo- > > Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as one engages in repartee on an email list. > > Death is not to be swept under the rug by making glib statements, as if one can move on to something else, perhaps add something about how physics can be studied anyway. If you take anything seriously..........it sticks to your feet. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 15, 2009 5:14 PM Re: daily Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:41 PM > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33 AM > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > It is the same as saying that there is an unitary > > > seeing/being/doing, no fragmentation within the field. When you say > > > " for > > > example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, stability, > > > repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, who benefits > > > from > > > these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to be > > > continuity? " , you are implicitly stating that there is no way to live > > > in > > > this world in a non-fragmented way. > > > > > > No, I'm not stating that at all. > > > -d- > > > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of > > > order, > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, who > > > likes > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? > > > > > > Are you not implying the existence of some entity? > > > -geo- > > > > I'm saying understand the motivation for developing a system of > > mathematics. > > > > It would never have been developed without someone benefitting from the > > order it provided. > > > > The work would not have gone into it. > > > > I'm saying understand human nature. > > > > Unless you undertand human nature, and particularly its fear, and are > > that > > fear, you won't die to it. > > > > Dying to the known is not a bunch of ideas. > > > > It is to die. > > > > - D - > > > > And after I am dead will I be unable to add 2+2? > > -geo- > > There isn't any before or after to this death, Geo. > > One dies to before and after. > > - D - > > One dies to all that and can do even derivations or study physics. > Localization is not an impediment at all. > -geo- Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as one engages in repartee on an email list. Death is not to be swept under the rug by making glib statements, as if one can move on to something else, perhaps add something about how physics can be studied anyway. Death doesn't allow me to keep a focus, to make a point, to self-validate. Death is what is avoided in order to keep continuity of a center, and therefore death is always at the periphery of the perceptual/conceptual bubble, turning it back into itself, through avoidance. Death interrupts self-referencing. Death doesn't allow any perceptions to reflect back to a center. Death is not to be taken lightly or spoken about glibly, as if just another point being made in a dialogue. To treat death in that way, is to minimize it, put it off, disregard it, and claim personal continuity where there isn't any to be had. -- D -- " Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as one engages in repartee on an email list. " -D- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:41 PM > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33 AM > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is the same as saying that there is an unitary > > > > > seeing/being/doing, no fragmentation within the field. When you say " for > > > > > example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, stability, > > > > > repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, who benefits > > > > > from > > > > > these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to be > > > > > continuity? " , you are implicitly stating that there is no way to live in > > > > > this world in a non-fragmented way. > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm not stating that at all. > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, > > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, who likes > > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? > > > > > > > > > > Are you not implying the existence of some entity? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand the motivation for developing a system of > > > > mathematics. > > > > > > > > It would never have been developed without someone benefitting from the > > > > order it provided. > > > > > > > > The work would not have gone into it. > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand human nature. > > > > > > > > Unless you undertand human nature, and particularly its fear, and are that > > > > fear, you won't die to it. > > > > > > > > Dying to the known is not a bunch of ideas. > > > > > > > > It is to die. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > And after I am dead will I be unable to add 2+2? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > There isn't any before or after to this death, Geo. > > > > > > One dies to before and after. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > One dies to all that and can do even derivations or study physics. > > > Localization is not an impediment at all. > > > -geo- > > > > Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as one engages in repartee on an email list. > > > > Death is not to be swept under the rug by making glib statements, as if one can move on to something else, perhaps add something about how physics can be studied anyway. If you take anything seriously..........it sticks to your feet. > > > > > > toombaru There are many here among us, who feel that life is but a joke. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 15, 2009 6:23 PM > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:41 PM > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33 AM > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is the same as saying that there is an unitary > > > > > seeing/being/doing, no fragmentation within the field. When you say > > > > > " for > > > > > example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, stability, > > > > > repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, who > > > > > benefits > > > > > from > > > > > these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to be > > > > > continuity? " , you are implicitly stating that there is no way to > > > > > live in > > > > > this world in a non-fragmented way. > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm not stating that at all. > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of > > > > > order, > > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, who > > > > > likes > > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? > > > > > > > > > > Are you not implying the existence of some entity? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand the motivation for developing a system of > > > > mathematics. > > > > > > > > It would never have been developed without someone benefitting from > > > > the > > > > order it provided. > > > > > > > > The work would not have gone into it. > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand human nature. > > > > > > > > Unless you undertand human nature, and particularly its fear, and are > > > > that > > > > fear, you won't die to it. > > > > > > > > Dying to the known is not a bunch of ideas. > > > > > > > > It is to die. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > And after I am dead will I be unable to add 2+2? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > There isn't any before or after to this death, Geo. > > > > > > One dies to before and after. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > One dies to all that and can do even derivations or study physics. > > > Localization is not an impediment at all. > > > -geo- > > > > Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as one > > engages in repartee on an email list. > > > > Death is not to be swept under the rug by making glib statements, as if > > one can move on to something else, perhaps add something about how physics > > can be studied anyway. > > If you take anything seriously..........it sticks to your feet. > > toombaru > > Good point toomba...good point! > (no geo...there are no points to be made...you are > allucinating....ok..ok...ok..LOL) > -geo- You are my hallucination, and I am yours. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > There are many here among us, who feel that life is but a joke. > > > > - D - > > ... but you and I, we've been through that... > > ;-). Yes. And this is not our fate. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > There isn't any audience, Geo. > > > > > > The audience is hallucinated. > > > > > > - D - > > > > The 'conceptual self' wants to believe it is not there, so it can show this to others. > > > > .... but the idea that there may not be others is intolerable to it. > > > > ... for one very good reason. > > > It is intolerable. > > Along with its hallucinated audience. It can't accept its hallucinated audience. It can't accept the absence of its hallucinated audience. It is contradiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > There are many here among us, who feel that life is but a joke. > > > > > > - D - > > > > ... but you and I, we've been through that... > > > > ;-). > > Yes. > > And this is not our fate. > > > - D - Well, not if there really was a 'you and I', anyway :-p. But, I'm afraid life is but a joke. Laughter is called for ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 5:14 PM > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:41 PM > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33 AM > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is the same as saying that there is an unitary > > > > > seeing/being/doing, no fragmentation within the field. When you say > > > > > " for > > > > > example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, stability, > > > > > repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, who benefits > > > > > from > > > > > these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to be > > > > > continuity? " , you are implicitly stating that there is no way to live > > > > > in > > > > > this world in a non-fragmented way. > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm not stating that at all. > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of > > > > > order, > > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, who > > > > > likes > > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? > > > > > > > > > > Are you not implying the existence of some entity? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand the motivation for developing a system of > > > > mathematics. > > > > > > > > It would never have been developed without someone benefitting from the > > > > order it provided. > > > > > > > > The work would not have gone into it. > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand human nature. > > > > > > > > Unless you undertand human nature, and particularly its fear, and are > > > > that > > > > fear, you won't die to it. > > > > > > > > Dying to the known is not a bunch of ideas. > > > > > > > > It is to die. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > And after I am dead will I be unable to add 2+2? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > There isn't any before or after to this death, Geo. > > > > > > One dies to before and after. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > One dies to all that and can do even derivations or study physics. > > > Localization is not an impediment at all. > > > -geo- > > > > Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as one > > engages in repartee on an email list. > > > > Death is not to be swept under the rug by making glib statements, as if one > > can move on to something else, perhaps add something about how physics can > > be studied anyway. > > > > Death doesn't allow me to keep a focus, to make a point, to self-validate. > > > > Death is what is avoided in order to keep continuity of a center, and > > therefore death is always at the periphery of the perceptual/conceptual > > bubble, turning it back into itself, through avoidance. > > > > Death interrupts self-referencing. > > > > Death doesn't allow any perceptions to reflect back to a center. > > > > Death is not to be taken lightly or spoken about glibly, as if just another > > point being made in a dialogue. > > > > To treat death in that way, is to minimize it, put it off, disregard it, and > > claim personal continuity where there isn't any to be had. > > > > -- D -- > > > > " Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as one > > engages in repartee on an email list. " > > -D- > > > That's right. > > It's lived. > > - D - > Hey.....are you answering your self....... What's with that? :-0 toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 6:23 PM > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:41 PM > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33 AM > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the same as saying that there is an unitary > > > > > > seeing/being/doing, no fragmentation within the field. When you say > > > > > > " for > > > > > > example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, stability, > > > > > > repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, who > > > > > > benefits > > > > > > from > > > > > > these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to be > > > > > > continuity? " , you are implicitly stating that there is no way to > > > > > > live in > > > > > > this world in a non-fragmented way. > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm not stating that at all. > > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of > > > > > > order, > > > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, who > > > > > > likes > > > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you not implying the existence of some entity? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand the motivation for developing a system of > > > > > mathematics. > > > > > > > > > > It would never have been developed without someone benefitting from > > > > > the > > > > > order it provided. > > > > > > > > > > The work would not have gone into it. > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand human nature. > > > > > > > > > > Unless you undertand human nature, and particularly its fear, and are > > > > > that > > > > > fear, you won't die to it. > > > > > > > > > > Dying to the known is not a bunch of ideas. > > > > > > > > > > It is to die. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > And after I am dead will I be unable to add 2+2? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > There isn't any before or after to this death, Geo. > > > > > > > > One dies to before and after. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > One dies to all that and can do even derivations or study physics. > > > > Localization is not an impediment at all. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as one > > > engages in repartee on an email list. > > > > > > Death is not to be swept under the rug by making glib statements, as if > > > one can move on to something else, perhaps add something about how physics > > > can be studied anyway. > > > > If you take anything seriously..........it sticks to your feet. > > > > toombaru > > > > Good point toomba...good point! > > (no geo...there are no points to be made...you are > > allucinating....ok..ok...ok..LOL) > > -geo- > > You are my hallucination, and I am yours. > > - D - > That is an attempt by the conceptual mind to label its perceptual pseudo-reality and use its own overlay as a reference point. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:24 PM Re: daily Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:41 PM > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33 AM > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is the same as saying that there is an unitary > > > > > seeing/being/doing, no fragmentation within the field. When you > > > > > say " for > > > > > example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, > > > > > stability, > > > > > repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, who > > > > > benefits > > > > > from > > > > > these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to be > > > > > continuity? " , you are implicitly stating that there is no way to > > > > > live in > > > > > this world in a non-fragmented way. > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm not stating that at all. > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of > > > > > order, > > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, who > > > > > likes > > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? > > > > > > > > > > Are you not implying the existence of some entity? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand the motivation for developing a system of > > > > mathematics. > > > > > > > > It would never have been developed without someone benefitting from > > > > the > > > > order it provided. > > > > > > > > The work would not have gone into it. > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand human nature. > > > > > > > > Unless you undertand human nature, and particularly its fear, and > > > > are that > > > > fear, you won't die to it. > > > > > > > > Dying to the known is not a bunch of ideas. > > > > > > > > It is to die. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > And after I am dead will I be unable to add 2+2? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > There isn't any before or after to this death, Geo. > > > > > > One dies to before and after. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > One dies to all that and can do even derivations or study physics. > > > Localization is not an impediment at all. > > > -geo- > > > > Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as > > one engages in repartee on an email list. > > > > Death is not to be swept under the rug by making glib statements, as if > > one can move on to something else, perhaps add something about how > > physics can be studied anyway. If you take anything seriously..........it sticks to your feet. > > > > > > toombaru There are many here among us, who feel that life is but a joke. - D - The lucky ones -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > There are many here among us, who feel that life is but a joke. > > - D - > > The lucky ones > -geo- Again, the search. Attempting to get away from 'what is'. Get to where a projected 'someone else' is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 > > > > > > If you take anything seriously..........it sticks to your feet. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > There are many here among us, who feel that life is but a joke. > > - D - > > The lucky ones > -geo- > Luck? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > There isn't any audience, Geo. > > > > > > The audience is hallucinated. > > > > > > - D - > > > > The 'conceptual self' wants to believe it is not there, so it can show this to others. > > > > .... but the idea that there may not be others is intolerable to it. > > > > ... for one very good reason. > > > It is intolerable. > > Along with its hallucinated audience. > > > Along with the bubble in which the seeking self manifests. > > > It is greed and fear. > > It is me. > > - D - > Hey.....it's the only show in town. Enjoy it. It'll all be over soon enough. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:46 PM Re: daily Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 5:14 PM > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:41 PM > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33 AM > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is the same as saying that there is an unitary > > > > > seeing/being/doing, no fragmentation within the field. When you > > > > > say > > > > > " for > > > > > example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, > > > > > stability, > > > > > repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, who > > > > > benefits > > > > > from > > > > > these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to be > > > > > continuity? " , you are implicitly stating that there is no way to > > > > > live > > > > > in > > > > > this world in a non-fragmented way. > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm not stating that at all. > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of > > > > > order, > > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, who > > > > > likes > > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? > > > > > > > > > > Are you not implying the existence of some entity? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand the motivation for developing a system of > > > > mathematics. > > > > > > > > It would never have been developed without someone benefitting from > > > > the > > > > order it provided. > > > > > > > > The work would not have gone into it. > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand human nature. > > > > > > > > Unless you undertand human nature, and particularly its fear, and > > > > are > > > > that > > > > fear, you won't die to it. > > > > > > > > Dying to the known is not a bunch of ideas. > > > > > > > > It is to die. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > And after I am dead will I be unable to add 2+2? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > There isn't any before or after to this death, Geo. > > > > > > One dies to before and after. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > One dies to all that and can do even derivations or study physics. > > > Localization is not an impediment at all. > > > -geo- > > > > Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as > > one > > engages in repartee on an email list. > > > > Death is not to be swept under the rug by making glib statements, as if > > one > > can move on to something else, perhaps add something about how physics > > can > > be studied anyway. > > > > Death doesn't allow me to keep a focus, to make a point, to > > self-validate. > > > > Death is what is avoided in order to keep continuity of a center, and > > therefore death is always at the periphery of the perceptual/conceptual > > bubble, turning it back into itself, through avoidance. > > > > Death interrupts self-referencing. > > > > Death doesn't allow any perceptions to reflect back to a center. > > > > Death is not to be taken lightly or spoken about glibly, as if just > > another > > point being made in a dialogue. > > > > To treat death in that way, is to minimize it, put it off, disregard it, > > and > > claim personal continuity where there isn't any to be had. > > > > -- D -- > > > > " Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as > > one > > engages in repartee on an email list. " > > -D- > > > That's right. > > It's lived. > > - D - > Hey.....are you answering your self....... What's with that? :-0 toombaru I have actualy choked with laughter. My wife is also laughing cos it took me 3 minutes to be able to talk and explain the thing...and the display has spots of fried chicken on it... -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:42 PM > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 6:23 PM > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:41 PM > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33 AM > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the same as saying that there is an unitary > > > > > > seeing/being/doing, no fragmentation within the field. When you > > > > > > say > > > > > > " for > > > > > > example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, > > > > > > stability, > > > > > > repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, who > > > > > > benefits > > > > > > from > > > > > > these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to be > > > > > > continuity? " , you are implicitly stating that there is no way to > > > > > > live in > > > > > > this world in a non-fragmented way. > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm not stating that at all. > > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of > > > > > > order, > > > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, who > > > > > > likes > > > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you not implying the existence of some entity? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand the motivation for developing a system of > > > > > mathematics. > > > > > > > > > > It would never have been developed without someone benefitting from > > > > > the > > > > > order it provided. > > > > > > > > > > The work would not have gone into it. > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand human nature. > > > > > > > > > > Unless you undertand human nature, and particularly its fear, and > > > > > are > > > > > that > > > > > fear, you won't die to it. > > > > > > > > > > Dying to the known is not a bunch of ideas. > > > > > > > > > > It is to die. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > And after I am dead will I be unable to add 2+2? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > There isn't any before or after to this death, Geo. > > > > > > > > One dies to before and after. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > One dies to all that and can do even derivations or study physics. > > > > Localization is not an impediment at all. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as > > > one > > > engages in repartee on an email list. > > > > > > Death is not to be swept under the rug by making glib statements, as if > > > one can move on to something else, perhaps add something about how > > > physics > > > can be studied anyway. > > > > If you take anything seriously..........it sticks to your feet. > > > > toombaru > > > > Good point toomba...good point! > > (no geo...there are no points to be made...you are > > allucinating....ok..ok...ok..LOL) > > -geo- > > > > allucidating......... > > :-) > > toombaru > > Dating lucidity? > -geo- > Out here on the edge of the dream........it all gets silly real quick. :-) toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:51 PM Re: daily Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 6:23 PM > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:41 PM > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33 AM > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the same as saying that there is an unitary > > > > > > seeing/being/doing, no fragmentation within the field. When you > > > > > > say > > > > > > " for > > > > > > example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, > > > > > > stability, > > > > > > repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, who > > > > > > benefits > > > > > > from > > > > > > these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to be > > > > > > continuity? " , you are implicitly stating that there is no way to > > > > > > live in > > > > > > this world in a non-fragmented way. > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm not stating that at all. > > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense > > > > > > of > > > > > > order, > > > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, > > > > > > who > > > > > > likes > > > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you not implying the existence of some entity? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand the motivation for developing a system of > > > > > mathematics. > > > > > > > > > > It would never have been developed without someone benefitting > > > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > order it provided. > > > > > > > > > > The work would not have gone into it. > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand human nature. > > > > > > > > > > Unless you undertand human nature, and particularly its fear, and > > > > > are > > > > > that > > > > > fear, you won't die to it. > > > > > > > > > > Dying to the known is not a bunch of ideas. > > > > > > > > > > It is to die. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > And after I am dead will I be unable to add 2+2? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > There isn't any before or after to this death, Geo. > > > > > > > > One dies to before and after. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > One dies to all that and can do even derivations or study physics. > > > > Localization is not an impediment at all. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as > > > one > > > engages in repartee on an email list. > > > > > > Death is not to be swept under the rug by making glib statements, as > > > if > > > one can move on to something else, perhaps add something about how > > > physics > > > can be studied anyway. > > > > If you take anything seriously..........it sticks to your feet. > > > > toombaru > > > > Good point toomba...good point! > > (no geo...there are no points to be made...you are > > allucinating....ok..ok...ok..LOL) > > -geo- > > You are my hallucination, and I am yours. > > - D - > That is an attempt by the conceptual mind to label its perceptual pseudo-reality and use its own overlay as a reference point. toombaru LOL... wait a minute....is this serious? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:53 PM Re: daily Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 6:23 PM > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:41 PM > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33 AM > > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the same as saying that there is an unitary > > > > > > > seeing/being/doing, no fragmentation within the field. When > > > > > > > you say > > > > > > > " for > > > > > > > example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, > > > > > > > stability, > > > > > > > repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, who > > > > > > > benefits > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > continuity? " , you are implicitly stating that there is no way > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > live in > > > > > > > this world in a non-fragmented way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm not stating that at all. > > > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > order, > > > > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > likes > > > > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you not implying the existence of some entity? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand the motivation for developing a system of > > > > > > mathematics. > > > > > > > > > > > > It would never have been developed without someone benefitting > > > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > order it provided. > > > > > > > > > > > > The work would not have gone into it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand human nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you undertand human nature, and particularly its fear, > > > > > > and are > > > > > > that > > > > > > fear, you won't die to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dying to the known is not a bunch of ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is to die. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > And after I am dead will I be unable to add 2+2? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any before or after to this death, Geo. > > > > > > > > > > One dies to before and after. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > One dies to all that and can do even derivations or study physics. > > > > > Localization is not an impediment at all. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head > > > > as one > > > > engages in repartee on an email list. > > > > > > > > Death is not to be swept under the rug by making glib statements, as > > > > if > > > > one can move on to something else, perhaps add something about how > > > > physics > > > > can be studied anyway. > > > > > > If you take anything seriously..........it sticks to your feet. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Good point toomba...good point! > > > (no geo...there are no points to be made...you are > > > allucinating....ok..ok...ok..LOL) > > > -geo- > > > > You are my hallucination, and I am yours. > > > > - D - > > > > > > > That is an attempt by the conceptual mind to label its perceptual > pseudo-reality and use its own overlay as a reference point. > > > > toombaru No. " That " (i.e. the above) is an attempt by the conceptual mind to derive a conclusion, based on an assumption. There is *really* nobody " else " . Nobody 'out there' attempted anything. -tim- LOL LOL LOL and you are telling that to the walls -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:53 PM > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 6:23 PM > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:41 PM > > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33 AM > > > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the same as saying that there is an unitary > > > > > > > > seeing/being/doing, no fragmentation within the field. When > > > > > > > > you say > > > > > > > > " for > > > > > > > > example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, > > > > > > > > stability, > > > > > > > > repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, who > > > > > > > > benefits > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > continuity? " , you are implicitly stating that there is no way > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > live in > > > > > > > > this world in a non-fragmented way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm not stating that at all. > > > > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > order, > > > > > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > likes > > > > > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you not implying the existence of some entity? > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand the motivation for developing a system of > > > > > > > mathematics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would never have been developed without someone benefitting > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > order it provided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The work would not have gone into it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand human nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you undertand human nature, and particularly its fear, > > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > fear, you won't die to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dying to the known is not a bunch of ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is to die. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And after I am dead will I be unable to add 2+2? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any before or after to this death, Geo. > > > > > > > > > > > > One dies to before and after. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > One dies to all that and can do even derivations or study physics. > > > > > > Localization is not an impediment at all. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head > > > > > as one > > > > > engages in repartee on an email list. > > > > > > > > > > Death is not to be swept under the rug by making glib statements, as > > > > > if > > > > > one can move on to something else, perhaps add something about how > > > > > physics > > > > > can be studied anyway. > > > > > > > > If you take anything seriously..........it sticks to your feet. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Good point toomba...good point! > > > > (no geo...there are no points to be made...you are > > > > allucinating....ok..ok...ok..LOL) > > > > -geo- > > > > > > You are my hallucination, and I am yours. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an attempt by the conceptual mind to label its perceptual > > pseudo-reality and use its own overlay as a reference point. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > No. > > " That " (i.e. the above) is an attempt by the conceptual mind to derive a > conclusion, based on an assumption. > > There is *really* nobody " else " . > > Nobody 'out there' attempted anything. > -tim- > > LOL LOL LOL and you are telling that to the walls > -geo- Life is expressing. There is nobody telling anyone anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:51 PM > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 6:23 PM > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:41 PM > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:33 AM > > > > > > Re: daily Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the same as saying that there is an unitary > > > > > > > seeing/being/doing, no fragmentation within the field. When you > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > " for > > > > > > > example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense of order, > > > > > > > stability, > > > > > > > repeatability, predictability. Who wants these qualities, who > > > > > > > benefits > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > these qualities, who likes that security, who wants there to be > > > > > > > continuity? " , you are implicitly stating that there is no way to > > > > > > > live in > > > > > > > this world in a non-fragmented way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm not stating that at all. > > > > > > > -d- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dan wrote: " For example, knowing that 2+2 = 4 provides a sense > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > order, > > > > > > > stability, repeatability, predictability. > > > > > > > Who wants these qualities, who benefits from these qualities, > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > likes > > > > > > > that security, who wants there to be continuity? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you not implying the existence of some entity? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand the motivation for developing a system of > > > > > > mathematics. > > > > > > > > > > > > It would never have been developed without someone benefitting > > > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > order it provided. > > > > > > > > > > > > The work would not have gone into it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying understand human nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you undertand human nature, and particularly its fear, and > > > > > > are > > > > > > that > > > > > > fear, you won't die to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dying to the known is not a bunch of ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is to die. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > And after I am dead will I be unable to add 2+2? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any before or after to this death, Geo. > > > > > > > > > > One dies to before and after. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > One dies to all that and can do even derivations or study physics. > > > > > Localization is not an impediment at all. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Death is not a point being made in a debate occurring in one's head as > > > > one > > > > engages in repartee on an email list. > > > > > > > > Death is not to be swept under the rug by making glib statements, as > > > > if > > > > one can move on to something else, perhaps add something about how > > > > physics > > > > can be studied anyway. > > > > > > If you take anything seriously..........it sticks to your feet. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Good point toomba...good point! > > > (no geo...there are no points to be made...you are > > > allucinating....ok..ok...ok..LOL) > > > -geo- > > > > You are my hallucination, and I am yours. > > > > - D - > > > > That is an attempt by the conceptual mind to label its perceptual > pseudo-reality and use its own overlay as a reference point. > > toombaru > > > > > LOL... > wait a minute....is this serious? > -geo- > You bet. Like all of...Dan is shooting arrows at the moon. Some go towards the light.......some away from it. This one goes away. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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