Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Edg: Yep, Waking Life is one of my favorites. I wrote about it at IMBD.com -- I'll find it and cut and paste it hereinbelow. As for Cosmic Ego, I mean, literally, the same functionality being operational for the entire universe as egoic processing is operational for the body/individual. t: Only the ego would come up with the idea of a " Cosmic Ego " . If I am real...If I am here...it thinks....something must have made me and that something must be like me........but really really big me. Some call this imagined source " God " . It seldom dawns on the self that it simply has no existential reality......and therefore neither does its God. To me the universe's material and radiation is a cosmic body that one can find oneself inhabiting if one slips out of identification with the individual but while still having the addiction of identification - t: Well then it's simply a matter of slipping out of the ego's confining thought and stepping out into the Cosmic Vastness. Let us know how that's working out for you. - that now finds one associating with entirety instead of a mere body/mind system. This is a concept I take on faith, t: Well you'll have to continue to do that because there absolutely no indication that it has any reality. but to me it makes sense that God has an ego too, and that, if God is said to have a body at all, it must be the universe at minimum. " God " here is being used in the same fashion that the word " Brahma " is used in Hinduism. The " higher " Gods above Brahma are ever more refined states of divine egoism, but all are still within creation and are objects of consciousness. Mother Divine I would say is the concept " pure being " or " amness. " My clarity about the Hindu pantheon and what each metaphor " stands for, " is not complete, so maybe you and I could jaw about this and refine our notions. t: It is extremely difficult to refine notions about things that exist only as speculations. All these gods are, bottom line, processes of a human nervous system -- functionalities that are so beneficial to the human that they do deserve to be honored for their edifying natures -- t: Have you read the Bible or the Koran? They are detestable documents about a detestable beast of a God. Even if there were a God......why would he.....she....or whatever......deserve or even want our respect? The fact that you imagine a God that needs or wants your respect says more about you than it does about God. they be goody dynamics to dwell with for the personality's evolution -- not freedom from personality. t; The personality invents a God to help support its imaginary world. Read " The Psychological Roots of Religion " if you dare. Inquiry shoots the awareness right past them, and there's, say, Indra, going, " What the fuck, here I am in perfect glory and that guy can't give me the time of day. " It's very funny to see Indra's inability to " get it. " To me, the mind settles down with inquiry, and by repeating such, one gets the ability to reach the least state of excitation that I would call " amness. " In that state, ego is merged into unity and resides as a potentiality of amness. t: Well then........do that. Take your self and turn it into God. Sounds pretty good to me. When Brahma has His first thought, that's the Cosmic Ego appearing out of unity. Brahma is said to " enter creation, " which I take to mean " loses Himself in attachment to creation. " At best, Brahma can be said to be a perfect human being, but only that. t: If frogs invented a God....they would probably be the perfect frog....and a big one. To me, when Brahma looks at a rock, it's the same as if I look at my fingernail. My fingernail is dead, but don't try to convince me that it isn't me. t: It isn't. Just as I'm present throughout my body and am getting sensory reports in a constant stream of data from every speck of my body/mind, just so do I think Brahma looks upon a rock -- He's there owning it like I own my fingernail. This is the Cosmic Ego -- it sees ALL objects as its body. To become Brahma is to become a saint, but it is Brahman that is the " target " of inquiry. One can refine the mind by spiritual techniques such that one's inner Brahma nature is realized, but inquiry instantly puts one into silence-of-being -- the Absolute. Inquiry, therefore, is not a spiritual technique as much as it is a technique to free one from the need for spirituality. One can get free and still have a lot of spiritual refinement yet to acquire, ya see? Here's my IMBD review....written many years ago. t: Well let's hope that you've outgrown it. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 Your lack of insight into my metaphors (actually and solely they're Nisargadatta's and Ramana's metaphors -- I'm only a parroter, but I do world class parroting) is sad. Truly, I pity you. Your willingness to project that I am some sort of spiritual cretin shows your true colors -- killing the messenger is your main debate tool -- how tawdry. Your lack of respect for the great minds that have sought the same answers I'm seeking is odious and bankrupt. How lightly you toss ten thousand years worth of the considerations and conclusions that have survived the test of time such that each generation's geniuses have thoughtfully handed it down to the next generation -- tweaking where necessary. You use spiritual concepts like a bully hitting someone with a Bible to make them into a good Christian. You are even rejecting modern science when you fluff off the fact that no boundaries can be rigorously established -- such that, where my body ends and the " outside " begins is indeterminate -- thus proving the arbitrary nature of identification and that if one can identify with an individual ego, the principle is established that one can identify with a Cosmic Ego. And here you are posting yourself to exhaustion having inane conversations with others who are obviously not getting it yet either -- like you're all members of some " Enlightenment Club. " It's understandable, birds of a feather flock together, but maybe you could look at that enough to see that you've chosen your ashram buddies from the dregs here. I'd call you a bullshitter, but now I'm thinking you really don't know how you're coming off here, and my compassion is thereby stirred. But, nah, you're a bullshitter....to hell with compassion. Here's the solution: at least read Nisargadatta until you slap your forehead and say, " Oh my fucking god how did I miss this message all these years when he's saying it again and again and again? " It took me three years of at least an hour a day reading before I reached that point, and I'm no dummy -- it takes a ton of saturation of the concepts for them to all gel into a clarity -- such that the intellect from then on can instantly know when an argument is lacking Advaitan resonance. It isn't a matter of intellectual prowess so much as it's simply getting all the wiring installed by the repeating of the concepts until one is firing on all Advaitan cylinders. And until I reached that point, I was writing about Advaita merely fuzzily -- like you. So there's hope for you, but, hey, probably you're not going to do the work. Meanwhile, the only thing I can do is stop interacting with you cuz all you want me to do is say how nice the lipstick is on your pig. Ta ta -- have fun -- buh bye ! Edg At 03:58 PM 8/10/2009, you wrote: Edg: Yep, Waking Life is one of my favorites. I wrote about it at IMBD.com -- I'll find it and cut and paste it hereinbelow. As for Cosmic Ego, I mean, literally, the same functionality being operational for the entire universe as egoic processing is operational for the body/individual. t: Only the ego would come up with the idea of a " Cosmic Ego " . If I am real...If I am here...it thinks....something must have made me and that something must be like me........but really really big me. Some call this imagined source " God " . It seldom dawns on the self that it simply has no existential reality......and therefore neither does its God. To me the universe's material and radiation is a cosmic body that one can find oneself inhabiting if one slips out of identification with the individual but while still having the addiction of identification - t: Well then it's simply a matter of slipping out of the ego's confining thought and stepping out into the Cosmic Vastness. Let us know how that's working out for you. - that now finds one associating with entirety instead of a mere body/mind system. This is a concept I take on faith, t: Well you'll have to continue to do that because there absolutely no indication that it has any reality. but to me it makes sense that God has an ego too, and that, if God is said to have a body at all, it must be the universe at minimum. " God " here is being used in the same fashion that the word " Brahma " is used in Hinduism. The " higher " Gods above Brahma are ever more refined states of divine egoism, but all are still within creation and are objects of consciousness. Mother Divine I would say is the concept " pure being " or " amness. " My clarity about the Hindu pantheon and what each metaphor " stands for, " is not complete, so maybe you and I could jaw about this and refine our notions. t: It is extremely difficult to refine notions about things that exist only as speculations. All these gods are, bottom line, processes of a human nervous system -- functionalities that are so beneficial to the human that they do deserve to be honored for their edifying natures -- t: Have you read the Bible or the Koran? They are detestable documents about a detestable beast of a God. Even if there were a God......why would he.....she....or whatever......deserve or even want our respect? The fact that you imagine a God that needs or wants your respect says more about you than it does about God. they be goody dynamics to dwell with for the personality's evolution -- not freedom from personality. t; The personality invents a God to help support its imaginary world. Read " The Psychological Roots of Religion " if you dare. Inquiry shoots the awareness right past them, and there's, say, Indra, going, " What the fuck, here I am in perfect glory and that guy can't give me the time of day. " It's very funny to see Indra's inability to " get it. " To me, the mind settles down with inquiry, and by repeating such, one gets the ability to reach the least state of excitation that I would call " amness. " In that state, ego is merged into unity and resides as a potentiality of amness. t: Well then........do that. Take your self and turn it into God. Sounds pretty good to me. When Brahma has His first thought, that's the Cosmic Ego appearing out of unity. Brahma is said to " enter creation, " which I take to mean " loses Himself in attachment to creation. " At best, Brahma can be said to be a perfect human being, but only that. t: If frogs invented a God....they would probably be the perfect frog....and a big one. To me, when Brahma looks at a rock, it's the same as if I look at my fingernail. My fingernail is dead, but don't try to convince me that it isn't me. t: It isn't. Just as I'm present throughout my body and am getting sensory reports in a constant stream of data from every speck of my body/mind, just so do I think Brahma looks upon a rock -- He's there owning it like I own my fingernail. This is the Cosmic Ego -- it sees ALL objects as its body. To become Brahma is to become a saint, but it is Brahman that is the " target " of inquiry. One can refine the mind by spiritual techniques such that one's inner Brahma nature is realized, but inquiry instantly puts one into silence-of-being -- the Absolute. Inquiry, therefore, is not a spiritual technique as much as it is a technique to free one from the need for spirituality. One can get free and still have a lot of spiritual refinement yet to acquire, ya see? Here's my IMBD review....written many years ago. t: Well let's hope that you've outgrown it. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 Your lack of insight into my metaphors (actually and solely they're Nisargadatta's and Ramana's metaphors -- I'm only a parroter, but I do world class parroting) is sad. Truly, I pity you. Edg I upset you because you are terrified that the neat little bundle of ideas that you have gathered around you like a shroud may be illusory. And if that were the case........what would happen to who you think you are? If you are illusory........all your Gods must also be illusory. Follow another man as long as you can. Pretend that there are spiritual experts out there somewhere......and that you have the ability to tell who they are......and that they can somehow help you reach the higher realms.........and maybe......maybe......even become God Himself. Stop reading me if you can. Your entire world depends one it. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 11, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Monday, August 10, 2009 9:11 PM Re: I think therefore I am. Your lack of insight into my metaphors (actually and solely they're Nisargadatta's and Ramana's metaphors -- I'm only a parroter, but I do world class parroting) is sad. Truly, I pity you. Edg I upset you because you are terrified that the neat little bundle of ideas that you have gathered around you like a shroud may be illusory. And if that were the case........what would happen to who you think you are? If you are illusory........all your Gods must also be illusory. Follow another man as long as you can. Pretend that there are spiritual experts out there somewhere......and that you have the ability to tell who they are......and that they can somehow help you reach the higher realms.........and maybe......maybe......even become God Himself. Stop reading me if you can. Your entire world depends one it. toombaru Not only that...but the very notion to touch that wich is timeless taking time. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 10/8/2009 21:17:46 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
