Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:48 PM Re: " Spiritual knowledge " Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:13 PM > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:26 PM > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:25 AM > > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ah, the heart song of .b.b.b is nutshelled. > > > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > > > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this > > > > > dispute > > > > > between us? People come here with some profound concept of > > > > > spirituality. > > > > > They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want me to give > > > > > them > > > > > a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very knowledgeable'. This I > > > > > don't > > > > > do. > > > > > I blast their concepts, and hence the confrontation...All > > > > > knowledge > > > > > is > > > > > ignorance. " " There is no such thing as spirituality. " > > > > > > it's a song without a heart. > > > > > > fuck all paths. > > > > > > they are all silly. > > > > > > now lets Rock and Roll motherfuckers! > > > > > > it's Woodstock all over again! > > > > > > just say fuck off to Helter Skelter. > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > You mean it is all about how to enjoy life in the best way? But that > > > is > > > personal. Rock and roll for you, rap for another, fuck music for > > > another. > > > We > > > will never have agreement in this regard, all atain anything > > > with... " look > > > how smart I am in enjoying the pleasures of life, I love triple > > > burguers > > > you > > > dont - I am much smarter then you all " - its nonesense. It is not > > > about > > > that > > > at all > > > -geo- > > > > i don't have a fucking clue what it's all about. > > > > i don't care what anybody likes or dislikes. > > > > i don't compare myself with anybody.. > > > > because i don't even know if there is anyone else.. > > > > or if i'm just imagining them. > > > > i don't think there is a " best way " to enjoy or to live life. > > > > if there is i sure as hell don't know what it even would mean. > > > > or if there is any meaning to the notion of meaning from the first. > > > > it flows out. > > > > it's bullshit. > > > > just like everything and everyone else. > > > > i don't intend to stop the flow. > > > > why that would be fucking suicide. > > > > i think..but i don't know really. > > > > and i think that everyone who says they know.. > > > > either are bullshitting themselves and trying to bullshit.. > > > > whoever or whatever they try to slide that crap by as " truth " ... > > > > or they are just fucking stupid. > > > > it's not about a goddamn thing or even " nothing " . > > > > it's it. > > > > like it or not. > > > > end of stupid fucking story. > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Thats more like it. > > -geo- > > it's not like anything at all. > > neither more nor less. > > .b b.b. > > " Like it " is an idiomatic expression that means " more in line with " . In > this > particular case " IT is nothing that can be explained or understood " . > So you dont want to stop the flow...you say. But of course the flow is > what > you think it is. It may not be the case at all. > -geo- how the fuck do you know? you don't know a goddamn thing either. quit fucking trying to convince anyone that you do. you don't. you ain't. you bullshit...yourself. ..b b.b. I ain't but I dont know and bs myself. OK. Roll another one... -ego- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:48 PM > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:13 PM > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:26 PM > > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > roberibus111 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:25 AM > > > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ah, the heart song of .b.b.b is nutshelled. > > > > > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > > > > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this > > > > > > dispute > > > > > > between us? People come here with some profound concept of > > > > > > spirituality. > > > > > > They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want me to give > > > > > > them > > > > > > a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very knowledgeable'. This I > > > > > > don't > > > > > > do. > > > > > > I blast their concepts, and hence the confrontation...All > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > is > > > > > > ignorance. " " There is no such thing as spirituality. " > > > > > > > > it's a song without a heart. > > > > > > > > fuck all paths. > > > > > > > > they are all silly. > > > > > > > > now lets Rock and Roll motherfuckers! > > > > > > > > it's Woodstock all over again! > > > > > > > > just say fuck off to Helter Skelter. > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > You mean it is all about how to enjoy life in the best way? But that > > > > is > > > > personal. Rock and roll for you, rap for another, fuck music for > > > > another. > > > > We > > > > will never have agreement in this regard, all atain anything > > > > with... " look > > > > how smart I am in enjoying the pleasures of life, I love triple > > > > burguers > > > > you > > > > dont - I am much smarter then you all " - its nonesense. It is not > > > > about > > > > that > > > > at all > > > > -geo- > > > > > > i don't have a fucking clue what it's all about. > > > > > > i don't care what anybody likes or dislikes. > > > > > > i don't compare myself with anybody.. > > > > > > because i don't even know if there is anyone else.. > > > > > > or if i'm just imagining them. > > > > > > i don't think there is a " best way " to enjoy or to live life. > > > > > > if there is i sure as hell don't know what it even would mean. > > > > > > or if there is any meaning to the notion of meaning from the first. > > > > > > it flows out. > > > > > > it's bullshit. > > > > > > just like everything and everyone else. > > > > > > i don't intend to stop the flow. > > > > > > why that would be fucking suicide. > > > > > > i think..but i don't know really. > > > > > > and i think that everyone who says they know.. > > > > > > either are bullshitting themselves and trying to bullshit.. > > > > > > whoever or whatever they try to slide that crap by as " truth " ... > > > > > > or they are just fucking stupid. > > > > > > it's not about a goddamn thing or even " nothing " . > > > > > > it's it. > > > > > > like it or not. > > > > > > end of stupid fucking story. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Thats more like it. > > > -geo- > > > > it's not like anything at all. > > > > neither more nor less. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > " Like it " is an idiomatic expression that means " more in line with " . In > > this > > particular case " IT is nothing that can be explained or understood " . > > So you dont want to stop the flow...you say. But of course the flow is > > what > > you think it is. It may not be the case at all. > > -geo- > > how the fuck do you know? > > you don't know a goddamn thing either. > > quit fucking trying to convince anyone that you do. > > you don't. > > you ain't. > > you bullshit...yourself. > > .b b.b. > > I ain't but I dont know and bs myself. OK. > Roll another one... > -ego- ? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Tuesday, July 21, 2009 3:15 PM Re: " Spiritual knowledge " Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:48 PM > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:13 PM > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:26 PM > > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > roberibus111 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:25 AM > > > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ah, the heart song of .b.b.b is nutshelled. > > > > > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > > > > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this > > > > > > dispute > > > > > > between us? People come here with some profound concept of > > > > > > spirituality. > > > > > > They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want me to > > > > > > give > > > > > > them > > > > > > a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very knowledgeable'. This I > > > > > > don't > > > > > > do. > > > > > > I blast their concepts, and hence the confrontation...All > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > is > > > > > > ignorance. " " There is no such thing as spirituality. " > > > > > > > > it's a song without a heart. > > > > > > > > fuck all paths. > > > > > > > > they are all silly. > > > > > > > > now lets Rock and Roll motherfuckers! > > > > > > > > it's Woodstock all over again! > > > > > > > > just say fuck off to Helter Skelter. > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > You mean it is all about how to enjoy life in the best way? But that > > > > is > > > > personal. Rock and roll for you, rap for another, fuck music for > > > > another. > > > > We > > > > will never have agreement in this regard, all atain anything > > > > with... " look > > > > how smart I am in enjoying the pleasures of life, I love triple > > > > burguers > > > > you > > > > dont - I am much smarter then you all " - its nonesense. It is not > > > > about > > > > that > > > > at all > > > > -geo- > > > > > > i don't have a fucking clue what it's all about. > > > > > > i don't care what anybody likes or dislikes. > > > > > > i don't compare myself with anybody.. > > > > > > because i don't even know if there is anyone else.. > > > > > > or if i'm just imagining them. > > > > > > i don't think there is a " best way " to enjoy or to live life. > > > > > > if there is i sure as hell don't know what it even would mean. > > > > > > or if there is any meaning to the notion of meaning from the first. > > > > > > it flows out. > > > > > > it's bullshit. > > > > > > just like everything and everyone else. > > > > > > i don't intend to stop the flow. > > > > > > why that would be fucking suicide. > > > > > > i think..but i don't know really. > > > > > > and i think that everyone who says they know.. > > > > > > either are bullshitting themselves and trying to bullshit.. > > > > > > whoever or whatever they try to slide that crap by as " truth " ... > > > > > > or they are just fucking stupid. > > > > > > it's not about a goddamn thing or even " nothing " . > > > > > > it's it. > > > > > > like it or not. > > > > > > end of stupid fucking story. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Thats more like it. > > > -geo- > > > > it's not like anything at all. > > > > neither more nor less. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > " Like it " is an idiomatic expression that means " more in line with " . In > > this > > particular case " IT is nothing that can be explained or understood " . > > So you dont want to stop the flow...you say. But of course the flow is > > what > > you think it is. It may not be the case at all. > > -geo- > > how the fuck do you know? > > you don't know a goddamn thing either. > > quit fucking trying to convince anyone that you do. > > you don't. > > you ain't. > > you bullshit...yourself. > > .b b.b. I want to understand what you mean because I might be trying to know somethin I am not aware off. What do you feel I claim to know? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this dispute between us? People come here with some profound concept of spirituality. They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want me to give them a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very knowledgeable'. This I don't do. I blast their concepts, and hence the confrontation...All knowledge is ignorance. " " There is no such thing as spirituality. " > > > > Sounds like Nis. in his later years, when he became somewhat petty, even a bit mean-spirited. > > Even sages can grow somewhat attached to their imaginary status, I guess ;-). A good argument to spout the truth from the 'safety' of anonymity. > He noticed that people weren't listening, weren't hearing. Instead they were listening for something, to get something. Confirmation. Validation. They didn't want discomfirmation. The truth doesn't confirm you or what you know. It is disconfirming. It isn't a comfortable addition for your dining room wall. It is the end of your house. - Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:26 PM Re: " Spiritual knowledge " Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this dispute > > between us? People come here with some profound concept of spirituality. > > They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want me to give them > > a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very knowledgeable'. This I don't do. > > I blast their concepts, and hence the confrontation...All knowledge is > > ignorance. " " There is no such thing as spirituality. " > > > > Sounds like Nis. in his later years, when he became somewhat petty, even a > bit mean-spirited. > > Even sages can grow somewhat attached to their imaginary status, I guess > ;-). A good argument to spout the truth from the 'safety' of anonymity. > He noticed that people weren't listening, weren't hearing. Instead they were listening for something, to get something. Confirmation. Validation. They didn't want discomfirmation. The truth doesn't confirm you or what you know. It is disconfirming. It isn't a comfortable addition for your dining room wall. It is the end of your house. - Dan Some people went there to show off their enormous spiritual knowledge. What could he say/do? That is why I dont understand tims " Even sages can grow somewhat attached to their imaginary status " . -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:35 PM Re: Re: " Spiritual knowledge " - dan330033 Nisargadatta Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:26 PM Re: " Spiritual knowledge " Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this dispute > > between us? People come here with some profound concept of spirituality. > > They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want me to give them > > a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very knowledgeable'. This I don't do. > > I blast their concepts, and hence the confrontation...All knowledge is > > ignorance. " " There is no such thing as spirituality. " > > > > Sounds like Nis. in his later years, when he became somewhat petty, even a > bit mean-spirited. > > Even sages can grow somewhat attached to their imaginary status, I guess > ;-). A good argument to spout the truth from the 'safety' of anonymity. > He noticed that people weren't listening, weren't hearing. Instead they were listening for something, to get something. Confirmation. Validation. They didn't want discomfirmation. The truth doesn't confirm you or what you know. It is disconfirming. It isn't a comfortable addition for your dining room wall. It is the end of your house. - Dan Some people went there to show off their enormous spiritual knowledge. What could he say/do? That is why I dont understand tims " Even sages can grow somewhat attached to their imaginary status " . And...considering that tim believes that only ego sees ego, how can he " recognise " a sage? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 3:15 PM > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:48 PM > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:13 PM > > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > roberibus111 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:26 PM > > > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:25 AM > > > > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, the heart song of .b.b.b is nutshelled. > > > > > > > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > > > > > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this > > > > > > > dispute > > > > > > > between us? People come here with some profound concept of > > > > > > > spirituality. > > > > > > > They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want me to > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very knowledgeable'. This I > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > I blast their concepts, and hence the confrontation...All > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > ignorance. " " There is no such thing as spirituality. " > > > > > > > > > > it's a song without a heart. > > > > > > > > > > fuck all paths. > > > > > > > > > > they are all silly. > > > > > > > > > > now lets Rock and Roll motherfuckers! > > > > > > > > > > it's Woodstock all over again! > > > > > > > > > > just say fuck off to Helter Skelter. > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > You mean it is all about how to enjoy life in the best way? But that > > > > > is > > > > > personal. Rock and roll for you, rap for another, fuck music for > > > > > another. > > > > > We > > > > > will never have agreement in this regard, all atain anything > > > > > with... " look > > > > > how smart I am in enjoying the pleasures of life, I love triple > > > > > burguers > > > > > you > > > > > dont - I am much smarter then you all " - its nonesense. It is not > > > > > about > > > > > that > > > > > at all > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > i don't have a fucking clue what it's all about. > > > > > > > > i don't care what anybody likes or dislikes. > > > > > > > > i don't compare myself with anybody.. > > > > > > > > because i don't even know if there is anyone else.. > > > > > > > > or if i'm just imagining them. > > > > > > > > i don't think there is a " best way " to enjoy or to live life. > > > > > > > > if there is i sure as hell don't know what it even would mean. > > > > > > > > or if there is any meaning to the notion of meaning from the first. > > > > > > > > it flows out. > > > > > > > > it's bullshit. > > > > > > > > just like everything and everyone else. > > > > > > > > i don't intend to stop the flow. > > > > > > > > why that would be fucking suicide. > > > > > > > > i think..but i don't know really. > > > > > > > > and i think that everyone who says they know.. > > > > > > > > either are bullshitting themselves and trying to bullshit.. > > > > > > > > whoever or whatever they try to slide that crap by as " truth " ... > > > > > > > > or they are just fucking stupid. > > > > > > > > it's not about a goddamn thing or even " nothing " . > > > > > > > > it's it. > > > > > > > > like it or not. > > > > > > > > end of stupid fucking story. > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > Thats more like it. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > it's not like anything at all. > > > > > > neither more nor less. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > " Like it " is an idiomatic expression that means " more in line with " . In > > > this > > > particular case " IT is nothing that can be explained or understood " . > > > So you dont want to stop the flow...you say. But of course the flow is > > > what > > > you think it is. It may not be the case at all. > > > -geo- > > > > how the fuck do you know? > > > > you don't know a goddamn thing either. > > > > quit fucking trying to convince anyone that you do. > > > > you don't. > > > > you ain't. > > > > you bullshit...yourself. > > > > .b b.b. > > I want to understand what you mean because I might be trying to know > somethin I am not aware off. What do you feel I claim to know? > -geo- yourself. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:41 PM Re: " Spiritual knowledge " Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 3:15 PM > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:48 PM > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:13 PM > > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > roberibus111 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:26 PM > > > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:25 AM > > > > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, the heart song of .b.b.b is nutshelled. > > > > > > > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > > > > > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this > > > > > > > dispute > > > > > > > between us? People come here with some profound concept of > > > > > > > spirituality. > > > > > > > They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want me to > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very knowledgeable'. This I > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > I blast their concepts, and hence the confrontation...All > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > ignorance. " " There is no such thing as spirituality. " > > > > > > > > > > it's a song without a heart. > > > > > > > > > > fuck all paths. > > > > > > > > > > they are all silly. > > > > > > > > > > now lets Rock and Roll motherfuckers! > > > > > > > > > > it's Woodstock all over again! > > > > > > > > > > just say fuck off to Helter Skelter. > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > You mean it is all about how to enjoy life in the best way? But > > > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > personal. Rock and roll for you, rap for another, fuck music for > > > > > another. > > > > > We > > > > > will never have agreement in this regard, all atain anything > > > > > with... " look > > > > > how smart I am in enjoying the pleasures of life, I love triple > > > > > burguers > > > > > you > > > > > dont - I am much smarter then you all " - its nonesense. It is not > > > > > about > > > > > that > > > > > at all > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > i don't have a fucking clue what it's all about. > > > > > > > > i don't care what anybody likes or dislikes. > > > > > > > > i don't compare myself with anybody.. > > > > > > > > because i don't even know if there is anyone else.. > > > > > > > > or if i'm just imagining them. > > > > > > > > i don't think there is a " best way " to enjoy or to live life. > > > > > > > > if there is i sure as hell don't know what it even would mean. > > > > > > > > or if there is any meaning to the notion of meaning from the first. > > > > > > > > it flows out. > > > > > > > > it's bullshit. > > > > > > > > just like everything and everyone else. > > > > > > > > i don't intend to stop the flow. > > > > > > > > why that would be fucking suicide. > > > > > > > > i think..but i don't know really. > > > > > > > > and i think that everyone who says they know.. > > > > > > > > either are bullshitting themselves and trying to bullshit.. > > > > > > > > whoever or whatever they try to slide that crap by as " truth " ... > > > > > > > > or they are just fucking stupid. > > > > > > > > it's not about a goddamn thing or even " nothing " . > > > > > > > > it's it. > > > > > > > > like it or not. > > > > > > > > end of stupid fucking story. > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > Thats more like it. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > it's not like anything at all. > > > > > > neither more nor less. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > " Like it " is an idiomatic expression that means " more in line with " . > > > In > > > this > > > particular case " IT is nothing that can be explained or understood " . > > > So you dont want to stop the flow...you say. But of course the flow is > > > what > > > you think it is. It may not be the case at all. > > > -geo- > > > > how the fuck do you know? > > > > you don't know a goddamn thing either. > > > > quit fucking trying to convince anyone that you do. > > > > you don't. > > > > you ain't. > > > > you bullshit...yourself. > > > > .b b.b. > > I want to understand what you mean because I might be trying to know > somethin I am not aware off. What do you feel I claim to know? > -geo- yourself. ..b b.b. My self? what is that? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:41 PM > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 3:15 PM > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:48 PM > > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > roberibus111 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:13 PM > > > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:26 PM > > > > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:25 AM > > > > > > Re: " Spiritual knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, the heart song of .b.b.b is nutshelled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > > > > > > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this > > > > > > > > dispute > > > > > > > > between us? People come here with some profound concept of > > > > > > > > spirituality. > > > > > > > > They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want me to > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very knowledgeable'. This I > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > I blast their concepts, and hence the confrontation...All > > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > ignorance. " " There is no such thing as spirituality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a song without a heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > fuck all paths. > > > > > > > > > > > > they are all silly. > > > > > > > > > > > > now lets Rock and Roll motherfuckers! > > > > > > > > > > > > it's Woodstock all over again! > > > > > > > > > > > > just say fuck off to Helter Skelter. > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean it is all about how to enjoy life in the best way? But > > > > > > that > > > > > > is > > > > > > personal. Rock and roll for you, rap for another, fuck music for > > > > > > another. > > > > > > We > > > > > > will never have agreement in this regard, all atain anything > > > > > > with... " look > > > > > > how smart I am in enjoying the pleasures of life, I love triple > > > > > > burguers > > > > > > you > > > > > > dont - I am much smarter then you all " - its nonesense. It is not > > > > > > about > > > > > > that > > > > > > at all > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > i don't have a fucking clue what it's all about. > > > > > > > > > > i don't care what anybody likes or dislikes. > > > > > > > > > > i don't compare myself with anybody.. > > > > > > > > > > because i don't even know if there is anyone else.. > > > > > > > > > > or if i'm just imagining them. > > > > > > > > > > i don't think there is a " best way " to enjoy or to live life. > > > > > > > > > > if there is i sure as hell don't know what it even would mean. > > > > > > > > > > or if there is any meaning to the notion of meaning from the first. > > > > > > > > > > it flows out. > > > > > > > > > > it's bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > just like everything and everyone else. > > > > > > > > > > i don't intend to stop the flow. > > > > > > > > > > why that would be fucking suicide. > > > > > > > > > > i think..but i don't know really. > > > > > > > > > > and i think that everyone who says they know.. > > > > > > > > > > either are bullshitting themselves and trying to bullshit.. > > > > > > > > > > whoever or whatever they try to slide that crap by as " truth " ... > > > > > > > > > > or they are just fucking stupid. > > > > > > > > > > it's not about a goddamn thing or even " nothing " . > > > > > > > > > > it's it. > > > > > > > > > > like it or not. > > > > > > > > > > end of stupid fucking story. > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > Thats more like it. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > it's not like anything at all. > > > > > > > > neither more nor less. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > " Like it " is an idiomatic expression that means " more in line with " . > > > > In > > > > this > > > > particular case " IT is nothing that can be explained or understood " . > > > > So you dont want to stop the flow...you say. But of course the flow is > > > > what > > > > you think it is. It may not be the case at all. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > how the fuck do you know? > > > > > > you don't know a goddamn thing either. > > > > > > quit fucking trying to convince anyone that you do. > > > > > > you don't. > > > > > > you ain't. > > > > > > you bullshit...yourself. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > I want to understand what you mean because I might be trying to know > > somethin I am not aware off. What do you feel I claim to know? > > -geo- > > yourself. > > .b b.b. > > My self? what is that? > -geo- i dunno. you asked: " What do you feel I claim to know? " i dunno but i figured you did.. or you wouldn't have asked about yourself.. and what you know or claim to know. i don't know who's asking nor who's being asked. why do you ask again? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this dispute between us? People come here with some profound concept of spirituality. They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want me to give them a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very knowledgeable'. This I don't do. I blast their concepts, and hence the confrontation...All knowledge is ignorance. " " There is no such thing as spirituality. " > > > > > > > Sounds like Nis. in his later years, when he became somewhat petty, even a bit mean-spirited. > > > > Even sages can grow somewhat attached to their imaginary status, I guess ;-). A good argument to spout the truth from the 'safety' of anonymity. > > > > > He noticed that people weren't listening, weren't hearing. > > Instead they were listening for something, to get something. > > Confirmation. > > Validation. > > They didn't want discomfirmation. > > The truth doesn't confirm you or what you know. > > It is disconfirming. > > It isn't a comfortable addition for your dining room wall. > > It is the end of your house. > > - Dan Yes, but 'the truth' does not require conflict or dispute between two people. Nor does it require one telling another why such a conflict or dispute occurs, and an explanation that " I blast their concepts " . This is a story -- a tale of conflict, spirituality, blasting, etc. It is itself not the truth, has nothing whatever to do with the truth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this dispute between us? People come here with some profound concept of spirituality. They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want me to give them a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very knowledgeable'. This I don't do. I blast their concepts, and hence the confrontation...All knowledge is ignorance. " " There is no such thing as spirituality. " > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like Nis. in his later years, when he became somewhat petty, even a bit mean-spirited. > > > > > > Even sages can grow somewhat attached to their imaginary status, I guess ;-). A good argument to spout the truth from the 'safety' of anonymity. > > > > > > > > > He noticed that people weren't listening, weren't hearing. > > > > Instead they were listening for something, to get something. > > > > Confirmation. > > > > Validation. > > > > They didn't want discomfirmation. > > > > The truth doesn't confirm you or what you know. > > > > It is disconfirming. > > > > It isn't a comfortable addition for your dining room wall. > > > > It is the end of your house. > > > > - Dan > > Yes, but 'the truth' does not require conflict or dispute between two people. > > Nor does it require one telling another why such a conflict or dispute occurs, and an explanation that " I blast their concepts " . > > This is a story -- a tale of conflict, spirituality, blasting, etc. > > It is itself not the truth, has nothing whatever to do with the truth. well what does have anything to do with truth? what is truth? what's going on swami? LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:28 AM Re: " Spiritual knowledge " Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this dispute > > > between us? People come here with some profound concept of > > > spirituality. They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want > > > me to give them a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very > > > knowledgeable'. This I don't do. I blast their concepts, and hence the > > > confrontation...All knowledge is ignorance. " " There is no such thing > > > as spirituality. " > > > > > > > Sounds like Nis. in his later years, when he became somewhat petty, even > > a bit mean-spirited. > > > > Even sages can grow somewhat attached to their imaginary status, I guess > > ;-). A good argument to spout the truth from the 'safety' of anonymity. > > > > > He noticed that people weren't listening, weren't hearing. > > Instead they were listening for something, to get something. > > Confirmation. > > Validation. > > They didn't want discomfirmation. > > The truth doesn't confirm you or what you know. > > It is disconfirming. > > It isn't a comfortable addition for your dining room wall. > > It is the end of your house. > > - Dan Yes, but 'the truth' does not require conflict or dispute between two people. Nor does it require one telling another why such a conflict or dispute occurs, and an explanation that " I blast their concepts " . This is a story -- a tale of conflict, spirituality, blasting, etc. It is itself not the truth, has nothing whatever to do with the truth. -tim- Jeez tim... Are you really trying to define " a truth " in those terms? Thats just a conceptual romantic tale you have in your mind about some " truth " as the behaviour of people. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Jeez tim... Are you really trying to define " a truth " in those terms? Thats > just a conceptual romantic tale you have in your mind about some " truth " as > the behaviour of people. > -geo- Ahh, well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this dispute between us? People come here with some profound concept of spirituality. They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want me to give them a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very knowledgeable'. This I don't do. I blast their concepts, and hence the confrontation...All knowledge is ignorance. " " There is no such thing as spirituality. " > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like Nis. in his later years, when he became somewhat petty, even a bit mean-spirited. > > > > > > Even sages can grow somewhat attached to their imaginary status, I guess ;-). A good argument to spout the truth from the 'safety' of anonymity. > > > > > > > > > He noticed that people weren't listening, weren't hearing. > > > > Instead they were listening for something, to get something. > > > > Confirmation. > > > > Validation. > > > > They didn't want discomfirmation. > > > > The truth doesn't confirm you or what you know. > > > > It is disconfirming. > > > > It isn't a comfortable addition for your dining room wall. > > > > It is the end of your house. > > > > - Dan > > Yes, but 'the truth' does not require conflict or dispute between two people. > > Nor does it require one telling another why such a conflict or dispute occurs, and an explanation that " I blast their concepts " . > > This is a story -- a tale of conflict, spirituality, blasting, etc. > > It is itself not the truth, has nothing whatever to do with the truth. I agree. There's an added element of " drama, " a story. Maybe that's for people who enjoy " theater. " -- Dan -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this dispute between us? People come here with some profound concept of spirituality. They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want me to give them a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very knowledgeable'. This I don't do. I blast their concepts, and hence the confrontation...All knowledge is ignorance. " " There is no such thing as spirituality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like Nis. in his later years, when he became somewhat petty, even a bit mean-spirited. > > > > > > > > Even sages can grow somewhat attached to their imaginary status, I guess ;-). A good argument to spout the truth from the 'safety' of anonymity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > He noticed that people weren't listening, weren't hearing. > > > > > > Instead they were listening for something, to get something. > > > > > > Confirmation. > > > > > > Validation. > > > > > > They didn't want discomfirmation. > > > > > > The truth doesn't confirm you or what you know. > > > > > > It is disconfirming. > > > > > > It isn't a comfortable addition for your dining room wall. > > > > > > It is the end of your house. > > > > > > - Dan > > > > Yes, but 'the truth' does not require conflict or dispute between two people. > > > > Nor does it require one telling another why such a conflict or dispute occurs, and an explanation that " I blast their concepts " . > > > > This is a story -- a tale of conflict, spirituality, blasting, etc. > > > > It is itself not the truth, has nothing whatever to do with the truth. > > > I agree. > > There's an added element of " drama, " a story. > > Maybe that's for people who enjoy " theater. " > > > -- Dan -- > Shit, Dan, what part of theater don't you understand? This is all theater. Take a bow. ~A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this dispute between us? People come here with some profound concept of spirituality. They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want me to give them a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very knowledgeable'. This I don't do. I blast their concepts, and hence the confrontation...All knowledge is ignorance. " " There is no such thing as spirituality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like Nis. in his later years, when he became somewhat petty, even a bit mean-spirited. > > > > > > > > > > Even sages can grow somewhat attached to their imaginary status, I guess ;-). A good argument to spout the truth from the 'safety' of anonymity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He noticed that people weren't listening, weren't hearing. > > > > > > > > Instead they were listening for something, to get something. > > > > > > > > Confirmation. > > > > > > > > Validation. > > > > > > > > They didn't want discomfirmation. > > > > > > > > The truth doesn't confirm you or what you know. > > > > > > > > It is disconfirming. > > > > > > > > It isn't a comfortable addition for your dining room wall. > > > > > > > > It is the end of your house. > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > Yes, but 'the truth' does not require conflict or dispute between two people. > > > > > > Nor does it require one telling another why such a conflict or dispute occurs, and an explanation that " I blast their concepts " . > > > > > > This is a story -- a tale of conflict, spirituality, blasting, etc. > > > > > > It is itself not the truth, has nothing whatever to do with the truth. > > > > > > I agree. > > > > There's an added element of " drama, " a story. > > > > Maybe that's for people who enjoy " theater. " > > > > > > -- Dan -- > > > > > Shit, Dan, what part of theater don't you understand? This is all theater. > > Take a bow. > > ~A you ARE judy aren't you? you go girl! that's the stuff. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this dispute between us? People come here with some profound concept of spirituality. They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want me to give them a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very knowledgeable'. This I don't do. I blast their concepts, and hence the confrontation...All knowledge is ignorance. " " There is no such thing as spirituality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like Nis. in his later years, when he became somewhat petty, even a bit mean-spirited. > > > > > > > > > > Even sages can grow somewhat attached to their imaginary status, I guess ;-). A good argument to spout the truth from the 'safety' of anonymity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He noticed that people weren't listening, weren't hearing. > > > > > > > > Instead they were listening for something, to get something. > > > > > > > > Confirmation. > > > > > > > > Validation. > > > > > > > > They didn't want discomfirmation. > > > > > > > > The truth doesn't confirm you or what you know. > > > > > > > > It is disconfirming. > > > > > > > > It isn't a comfortable addition for your dining room wall. > > > > > > > > It is the end of your house. > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > Yes, but 'the truth' does not require conflict or dispute between two people. > > > > > > Nor does it require one telling another why such a conflict or dispute occurs, and an explanation that " I blast their concepts " . > > > > > > This is a story -- a tale of conflict, spirituality, blasting, etc. > > > > > > It is itself not the truth, has nothing whatever to do with the truth. > > > > > > I agree. > > > > There's an added element of " drama, " a story. > > > > Maybe that's for people who enjoy " theater. " > > > > > > -- Dan -- > > > > > Shit, Dan, what part of theater don't you understand? This is all theater. > > Take a bow. > > ~A I don't need to bow. Who am I bowing to? - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this dispute between us? People come here with some profound concept of spirituality. They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want me to give them a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very knowledgeable'. This I don't do. I blast their concepts, and hence the confrontation...All knowledge is ignorance. " " There is no such thing as spirituality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like Nis. in his later years, when he became somewhat petty, even a bit mean-spirited. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even sages can grow somewhat attached to their imaginary status, I guess ;-). A good argument to spout the truth from the 'safety' of anonymity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He noticed that people weren't listening, weren't hearing. > > > > > > > > > > Instead they were listening for something, to get something. > > > > > > > > > > Confirmation. > > > > > > > > > > Validation. > > > > > > > > > > They didn't want discomfirmation. > > > > > > > > > > The truth doesn't confirm you or what you know. > > > > > > > > > > It is disconfirming. > > > > > > > > > > It isn't a comfortable addition for your dining room wall. > > > > > > > > > > It is the end of your house. > > > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > > > Yes, but 'the truth' does not require conflict or dispute between two people. > > > > > > > > Nor does it require one telling another why such a conflict or dispute occurs, and an explanation that " I blast their concepts " . > > > > > > > > This is a story -- a tale of conflict, spirituality, blasting, etc. > > > > > > > > It is itself not the truth, has nothing whatever to do with the truth. > > > > > > > > > I agree. > > > > > > There's an added element of " drama, " a story. > > > > > > Maybe that's for people who enjoy " theater. " > > > > > > > > > -- Dan -- > > > > > > > > > Shit, Dan, what part of theater don't you understand? This is all theater. > > > > Take a bow. > > > > ~A > > > I don't need to bow. > > Who am I bowing to? > > - D - > It's your prerogative.. ~A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this dispute between us? People come here with some profound concept of spirituality. They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want me to give them a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very knowledgeable'. This I don't do. I blast their concepts, and hence the confrontation...All knowledge is ignorance. " " There is no such thing as spirituality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like Nis. in his later years, when he became somewhat petty, even a bit mean-spirited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even sages can grow somewhat attached to their imaginary status, I guess ;-). A good argument to spout the truth from the 'safety' of anonymity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He noticed that people weren't listening, weren't hearing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead they were listening for something, to get something. > > > > > > > > > > > > Confirmation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Validation. > > > > > > > > > > > > They didn't want discomfirmation. > > > > > > > > > > > > The truth doesn't confirm you or what you know. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is disconfirming. > > > > > > > > > > > > It isn't a comfortable addition for your dining room wall. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the end of your house. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but 'the truth' does not require conflict or dispute between two people. > > > > > > > > > > Nor does it require one telling another why such a conflict or dispute occurs, and an explanation that " I blast their concepts " . > > > > > > > > > > This is a story -- a tale of conflict, spirituality, blasting, etc. > > > > > > > > > > It is itself not the truth, has nothing whatever to do with the truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree. > > > > > > > > There's an added element of " drama, " a story. > > > > > > > > Maybe that's for people who enjoy " theater. " > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shit, Dan, what part of theater don't you understand? This is all theater. > > > > > > Take a bow. > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > I don't need to bow. > > > > Who am I bowing to? > > > > - D - > > > > > It's your prerogative.. > > ~A If I bow to myself with no space between, is there a bow? Drama is only in the play of opposites. If no side is taken, where is the drama? My human life is drama. But it's first moment, is its last. There is no audience. I naturally am enraptured by the drama my being conjures; the opposites love each other. I am captivated by my being calling. And with no distance between, there isn't any. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this dispute between us? People come here with some profound concept of spirituality. They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want me to give them a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very knowledgeable'. This I don't do. I blast their concepts, and hence the confrontation...All knowledge is ignorance. " " There is no such thing as spirituality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like Nis. in his later years, when he became somewhat petty, even a bit mean-spirited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even sages can grow somewhat attached to their imaginary status, I guess ;-). A good argument to spout the truth from the 'safety' of anonymity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He noticed that people weren't listening, weren't hearing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead they were listening for something, to get something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Confirmation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Validation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They didn't want discomfirmation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The truth doesn't confirm you or what you know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is disconfirming. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It isn't a comfortable addition for your dining room wall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the end of your house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but 'the truth' does not require conflict or dispute between two people. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nor does it require one telling another why such a conflict or dispute occurs, and an explanation that " I blast their concepts " . > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a story -- a tale of conflict, spirituality, blasting, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is itself not the truth, has nothing whatever to do with the truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree. > > > > > > > > > > There's an added element of " drama, " a story. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe that's for people who enjoy " theater. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shit, Dan, what part of theater don't you understand? This is all theater. > > > > > > > > Take a bow. > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > I don't need to bow. > > > > > > Who am I bowing to? > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > It's your prerogative.. > > > > ~A > > > If I bow to myself with no space between, is there a bow? > > Drama is only in the play of opposites. > > If no side is taken, where is the drama? > > My human life is drama. > > But it's first moment, is its last. > > > There is no audience. > > I naturally am enraptured by the drama my being conjures; the opposites love each other. > > I am captivated by my being calling. > > And with no distance between, there isn't any. > > - D - > Let's just say there is no opposition. Leave it at that. Let love define itself. ~A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: " Why does this conflict normally occur? Why this dispute between us? People come here with some profound concept of spirituality. They think they have spiritual knowledge, and they want me to give them a clean certificate. 'Yes, you are very knowledgeable'. This I don't do. I blast their concepts, and hence the confrontation...All knowledge is ignorance. " " There is no such thing as spirituality. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like Nis. in his later years, when he became somewhat petty, even a bit mean-spirited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even sages can grow somewhat attached to their imaginary status, I guess ;-). A good argument to spout the truth from the 'safety' of anonymity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He noticed that people weren't listening, weren't hearing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead they were listening for something, to get something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Confirmation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Validation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They didn't want discomfirmation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The truth doesn't confirm you or what you know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is disconfirming. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It isn't a comfortable addition for your dining room wall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the end of your house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but 'the truth' does not require conflict or dispute between two people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nor does it require one telling another why such a conflict or dispute occurs, and an explanation that " I blast their concepts " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a story -- a tale of conflict, spirituality, blasting, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is itself not the truth, has nothing whatever to do with the truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > There's an added element of " drama, " a story. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe that's for people who enjoy " theater. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shit, Dan, what part of theater don't you understand? This is all theater. > > > > > > > > > > Take a bow. > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't need to bow. > > > > > > > > Who am I bowing to? > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's your prerogative.. > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > If I bow to myself with no space between, is there a bow? > > > > Drama is only in the play of opposites. > > > > If no side is taken, where is the drama? > > > > My human life is drama. > > > > But it's first moment, is its last. > > > > > > There is no audience. > > > > I naturally am enraptured by the drama my being conjures; the opposites love each other. > > > > I am captivated by my being calling. > > > > And with no distance between, there isn't any. > > > > - D - > > > > > Let's just say there is no opposition. > > Leave it at that. Let love define itself. > > ~A When you call it love, you've defined it. What if all definitions of itself are imaginary, because it never really turns around on itself to know itself? - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > What if all definitions of itself are imaginary, because it never > really turns around on itself to know itself? The opposite is true, as well. " What is " , discovers itself. It is a seeing without eyes. Without moving outward somewhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > What if all definitions of itself are imaginary, because it never > > really turns around on itself to know itself? > > The opposite is true, as well. > > " What is " , discovers itself. > > It is a seeing without eyes. > > Without moving outward somewhere. It discovers itself by never being able to find itself. - D - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
