Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Re: Re: Nisargadatta > > > Werner Woehr > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:59 AM > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > Ah, Geo, > > > > Could you please explain what you think how Niz was seeing or using > > consciousness ? > > > > Werner > > Geo wrote: > > > It is my pleasure - for the 87th time :>) > > > > To Nis consciousness is the first next manifestation, right bellow the > > ultimate (I must use words, friend...) > > Within that consciousness worlds are born and die. > > > > To K, consciousness is the part of the human mind intangled with the sense > > of centered observer - and the periphery related to it: me/you, > > inside/outside, my inner world/society. > > If there are no thoughts and no awareness, that's deep sleep -- deep sleep is a pretense of silence. The closest a mind can get to having the Absolute in its grasp is deep sleep, but it is merely one mode of operation of the brain -- dreaming and waking the other modes. But though the deep sleep process is relatively silent compared to the other modes, it is not a state of perfect quiescence, and a sufficiently adroit mind can grab that sucker.....probably takes 50 years of meditation in the deep woods to culture such a mind, but that mind, though almost cosmic, is still a mind with content abuzz. > > Transcending the three modes, a fourth mode can be wordified into existence as a concept: amness is the mother-mode of all modes -- the home of all modes, the godhead. But amness is pure mind, OM unmodulated, a dial tone waiting for a phone number to be entered, and since ego is now attached to amness instead of a projection of amness, the ego shuts up and no longer is found buzzing about its selfhood. While one is in samadhi, amness, there is no ego to pretend it is the observer, and instead, ego can be said to be a " person in waiting. " -- waiting for it's next incarnation as a projection of amness. > > The deep sleeping mind is wide awake, ya see? It entertains its version of " chemicals processing in a brain " that serve the brain as a metaphor for -- symbol of -- " nothing, nothingness, no thing just space/time waiting for a thing " and on and on we can throw words around like this. The mind is not there unless there is an object of consciousness present -- they're a yin/yang pair -- so the mind puts its radar on some poor unsuspecting process of the brain and says, " You....from now on, when I put my attention on you, you're the Absolute. And I don't want to hear anything from you about your buzziness -- I'm going to be ignoring that on purpose, and ignoring your buzz is easy because my mind hasn't practiced subtlety enough to see the state of deep sleep as a variant of the sound OM. " > > Talk about your tautologies. > > Real silence the brain cannot know. No matter how fine a net the intellect creates, there is no thing/butterfly to catch. There is no grasping of the ungraspable, the unburnable, the unwetable, the uncutable. > > > To K consc. is a much narrower > > definition. So to K there is the ultimate (he called it ground), > > The absolute > > > then the > > universal mind (that Nis called consciousness), > > amness - soul - cosmic ego - awareness -- pure being - all things organism-ish > > > then the Mind of Mankind > > the ritam level -- the first emerging of a projection -- space and time separate -- the gunas begin to dance out of synch with each other but they keep one foot standing in samadhi -- they're still aware of the primal buzz of OM. This is where the gods reside. > > > and - only then - consciusness. > > individuality is peppered throughout space/time like Spring stacattoing flowers in April. That is: thoughts begin to flow -- each an incarnation that the ego attaches to instantly and says, " Yup, that's my-me-mine. " > > > So according to K nomeclature consc. is its > > content (me/you, center...) and when consc is emptied(is not) what you have > > is the ground seeing the mind of mankind. I am using fast words. > > Dang hard to control them thar words when they's spewing out yer chute. Bullriding time. I hate it when that bucker tosses me and there I am with a sentence that I don't want to admit to having authored. > > Your last sentence is a powerful vision, eh? The Absolute + Amness unsullied by projection. Only after the individuality of amness is projected as a non-unity -- a specific state of the three gunas now out of unity -- is personhood restored. When one exits a state of samadhi/amness it becomes three-ish. Then, the person now incarnate, the mind entertains " other sounds " that remind it of that state of samadhi for this " person's " pleasure, but during samadhi there is only one thought: the sound OM. After samadhi the mind can pretend it had an observer of that samadhi during that samadhi, but this is merely slipping back into egoic projection - a lie told so that the ego can pretend it is eternal when it HAD JUST BEEN turned off for a bit. Denial R us. > > When the Absolute is symbolized by its projection of amness, there is no sin in equating the two. The Absolute cannot be caught red-handed in the act of doingness. Yet there it is with a chocolate ring around it's mouth and telling Mom that it didn't eat the fudge brownies. > > A human mind cannot tell the two apart -- the reflection in the mirror seems identical to its observer -- it cannot conceptually note any differences between the two. Of each it can be said: there's no ego, there's no sound because there's no ego to hear it, no thing is buzzing because there's no ego to take credit for it -- the Absolute is stuck with the bar tab, ya see? If amness is buzzing OM, the only Identity that could take credit for it is the Absolute, but the damned ego butts in and asserts a falsity -- that it is the buzzer of the buzz. That's like an audience roaring with approval and calling " Author, Author, Author " and the ego is some jerk who steps on stage and lets the audience worship it. What a twit, eh? > > And, 87th? Geo -- that's a world class lie. It is obvious that you've written about this more than that. For me, this is about the 2,343,587th time I've written words about the above, and I'm still not bored. That's the trap, ya see? Mother Divine has an infinity of baubles that can be delved into by the intellect ENDLESSLY, and one is orgasmed -- that is, hypnotized by bliss. That's amness' trump card. Bliss -- the ultimate drug that amness sells to every passerby. Mother Divine the dealer. Gotta love the picture, eh? > > Edg > > > too fucking wordy. > > .b b.b. > Yep, that's me. Sorry, do I have to use haikus solely to communicate with you? I can do haikus, but there's been so many already churned out, and they're not saving the world, so I say, " why not puke yer brains out! " And, the phrase " too fucking wordy " is too fucking wordy, eh? Hee hee. Edg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Re: Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > Werner Woehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:59 AM > > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > Ah, Geo, > > > > > > Could you please explain what you think how Niz was seeing or using > > > consciousness ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > Geo wrote: > > > > > It is my pleasure - for the 87th time :>) > > > > > > To Nis consciousness is the first next manifestation, right bellow the > > > ultimate (I must use words, friend...) > > > Within that consciousness worlds are born and die. > > > > > > To K, consciousness is the part of the human mind intangled with the sense > > > of centered observer - and the periphery related to it: me/you, > > > inside/outside, my inner world/society. > > > > If there are no thoughts and no awareness, that's deep sleep -- deep sleep is a pretense of silence. The closest a mind can get to having the Absolute in its grasp is deep sleep, but it is merely one mode of operation of the brain -- dreaming and waking the other modes. But though the deep sleep process is relatively silent compared to the other modes, it is not a state of perfect quiescence, and a sufficiently adroit mind can grab that sucker.....probably takes 50 years of meditation in the deep woods to culture such a mind, but that mind, though almost cosmic, is still a mind with content abuzz. > > > > Transcending the three modes, a fourth mode can be wordified into existence as a concept: amness is the mother-mode of all modes -- the home of all modes, the godhead. But amness is pure mind, OM unmodulated, a dial tone waiting for a phone number to be entered, and since ego is now attached to amness instead of a projection of amness, the ego shuts up and no longer is found buzzing about its selfhood. While one is in samadhi, amness, there is no ego to pretend it is the observer, and instead, ego can be said to be a " person in waiting. " -- waiting for it's next incarnation as a projection of amness. > > > > The deep sleeping mind is wide awake, ya see? It entertains its version of " chemicals processing in a brain " that serve the brain as a metaphor for -- symbol of -- " nothing, nothingness, no thing just space/time waiting for a thing " and on and on we can throw words around like this. The mind is not there unless there is an object of consciousness present -- they're a yin/yang pair -- so the mind puts its radar on some poor unsuspecting process of the brain and says, " You....from now on, when I put my attention on you, you're the Absolute. And I don't want to hear anything from you about your buzziness -- I'm going to be ignoring that on purpose, and ignoring your buzz is easy because my mind hasn't practiced subtlety enough to see the state of deep sleep as a variant of the sound OM. " > > > > Talk about your tautologies. > > > > Real silence the brain cannot know. No matter how fine a net the intellect creates, there is no thing/butterfly to catch. There is no grasping of the ungraspable, the unburnable, the unwetable, the uncutable. > > > > > To K consc. is a much narrower > > > definition. So to K there is the ultimate (he called it ground), > > > > The absolute > > > > > then the > > > universal mind (that Nis called consciousness), > > > > amness - soul - cosmic ego - awareness -- pure being - all things organism-ish > > > > > then the Mind of Mankind > > > > the ritam level -- the first emerging of a projection -- space and time separate -- the gunas begin to dance out of synch with each other but they keep one foot standing in samadhi -- they're still aware of the primal buzz of OM. This is where the gods reside. > > > > > and - only then - consciusness. > > > > individuality is peppered throughout space/time like Spring stacattoing flowers in April. That is: thoughts begin to flow -- each an incarnation that the ego attaches to instantly and says, " Yup, that's my-me-mine. " > > > > > So according to K nomeclature consc. is its > > > content (me/you, center...) and when consc is emptied(is not) what you have > > > is the ground seeing the mind of mankind. I am using fast words. > > > > Dang hard to control them thar words when they's spewing out yer chute. Bullriding time. I hate it when that bucker tosses me and there I am with a sentence that I don't want to admit to having authored. > > > > Your last sentence is a powerful vision, eh? The Absolute + Amness unsullied by projection. Only after the individuality of amness is projected as a non-unity -- a specific state of the three gunas now out of unity -- is personhood restored. When one exits a state of samadhi/amness it becomes three-ish. Then, the person now incarnate, the mind entertains " other sounds " that remind it of that state of samadhi for this " person's " pleasure, but during samadhi there is only one thought: the sound OM. After samadhi the mind can pretend it had an observer of that samadhi during that samadhi, but this is merely slipping back into egoic projection - a lie told so that the ego can pretend it is eternal when it HAD JUST BEEN turned off for a bit. Denial R us. > > > > When the Absolute is symbolized by its projection of amness, there is no sin in equating the two. The Absolute cannot be caught red-handed in the act of doingness. Yet there it is with a chocolate ring around it's mouth and telling Mom that it didn't eat the fudge brownies. > > > > A human mind cannot tell the two apart -- the reflection in the mirror seems identical to its observer -- it cannot conceptually note any differences between the two. Of each it can be said: there's no ego, there's no sound because there's no ego to hear it, no thing is buzzing because there's no ego to take credit for it -- the Absolute is stuck with the bar tab, ya see? If amness is buzzing OM, the only Identity that could take credit for it is the Absolute, but the damned ego butts in and asserts a falsity -- that it is the buzzer of the buzz. That's like an audience roaring with approval and calling " Author, Author, Author " and the ego is some jerk who steps on stage and lets the audience worship it. What a twit, eh? > > > > And, 87th? Geo -- that's a world class lie. It is obvious that you've written about this more than that. For me, this is about the 2,343,587th time I've written words about the above, and I'm still not bored. That's the trap, ya see? Mother Divine has an infinity of baubles that can be delved into by the intellect ENDLESSLY, and one is orgasmed -- that is, hypnotized by bliss. That's amness' trump card. Bliss -- the ultimate drug that amness sells to every passerby. Mother Divine the dealer. Gotta love the picture, eh? > > > > Edg > > > > > > too fucking wordy. > > > > .b b.b. > > > Yep, that's me. Sorry, do I have to use haikus solely to communicate with you? I can do haikus, but there's been so many already churned out, and they're not saving the world, so I say, " why not puke yer brains out! " > > And, the phrase " too fucking wordy " is too fucking wordy, eh? Hee hee. > > Edg fucking right it is. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 - Edg Nisargadatta Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:57 AM Re: Re: Nisargadatta Werner Woehr Nisargadatta Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:59 AM Re: Nisargadatta Ah, Geo, Could you please explain what you think how Niz was seeing or using consciousness ? Werner Geo wrote: It is my pleasure - for the 87th time :>) To Nis consciousness is the first next manifestation, right bellow the ultimate (I must use words, friend...) Within that consciousness worlds are born and die. To K, consciousness is the part of the human mind intangled with the sense of centered observer - and the periphery related to it: me/you, inside/outside, my inner world/society. If there are no thoughts and no awareness, that's deep sleep -- deep sleep is a pretense of silence. The closest a mind can get to having the Absolute in its grasp is deep sleep, but it is merely one mode of operation of the brain -- dreaming and waking the other modes. But though the deep sleep process is relatively silent compared to the other modes, it is not a state of perfect quiescence, and a sufficiently adroit mind can grab that sucker.....probably takes 50 years of meditation in the deep woods to culture such a mind, but that mind, though almost cosmic, is still a mind with content abuzz. Transcending the three modes, a fourth mode can be wordified into existence as a concept: amness is the mother-mode of all modes -- the home of all modes, the godhead. But amness is pure mind, OM unmodulated, a dial tone waiting for a phone number to be entered, and since ego is now attached to amness instead of a projection of amness, the ego shuts up and no longer is found buzzing about its selfhood. While one is in samadhi, amness, there is no ego to pretend it is the observer, and instead, ego can be said to be a " person in waiting. " -- waiting for it's next incarnation as a projection of amness. The deep sleeping mind is wide awake, ya see? It entertains its version of " chemicals processing in a brain " that serve the brain as a metaphor for -- symbol of -- " nothing, nothingness, no thing just space/time waiting for a thing " and on and on we can throw words around like this. The mind is not there unless there is an object of consciousness present -- they're a yin/yang pair -- so the mind puts its radar on some poor unsuspecting process of the brain and says, " You....from now on, when I put my attention on you, you're the Absolute. And I don't want to hear anything from you about your buzziness -- I'm going to be ignoring that on purpose, and ignoring your buzz is easy because my mind hasn't practiced subtlety enough to see the state of deep sleep as a variant of the sound OM. " Talk about your tautologies. Real silence the brain cannot know. No matter how fine a net the intellect creates, there is no thing/butterfly to catch. There is no grasping of the ungraspable, the unburnable, the unwetable, the uncutable. To K consc. is a much narrower definition. So to K there is the ultimate (he called it ground), The absolute then the universal mind (that Nis called consciousness), amness - soul - cosmic ego - awareness -- pure being - all things organism-ish then the Mind of Mankind the ritam level -- the first emerging of a projection -- space and time separate -- the gunas begin to dance out of synch with each other but they keep one foot standing in samadhi -- they're still aware of the primal buzz of OM. This is where the gods reside. and - only then - consciusness. individuality is peppered throughout space/time like Spring stacattoing flowers in April. That is: thoughts begin to flow -- each an incarnation that the ego attaches to instantly and says, " Yup, that's my-me-mine. " So according to K nomeclature consc. is its content (me/you, center...) and when consc is emptied(is not) what you have is the ground seeing the mind of mankind. I am using fast words. Dang hard to control them thar words when they's spewing out yer chute. Bullriding time. I hate it when that bucker tosses me and there I am with a sentence that I don't want to admit to having authored. Your last sentence is a powerful vision, eh? The Absolute + Amness unsullied by projection. Only after the individuality of amness is projected as a non-unity -- a specific state of the three gunas now out of unity -- is personhood restored. When one exits a state of samadhi/amness it becomes three-ish. Then, the person now incarnate, the mind entertains " other sounds " that remind it of that state of samadhi for this " person's " pleasure, but during samadhi there is only one thought: the sound OM. After samadhi the mind can pretend it had an observer of that samadhi during that samadhi, but this is merely slipping back into egoic projection - a lie told so that the ego can pretend it is eternal when it HAD JUST BEEN turned off for a bit. Denial R us. When the Absolute is symbolized by its projection of amness, there is no sin in equating the two. The Absolute cannot be caught red-handed in the act of doingness. Yet there it is with a chocolate ring around it's mouth and telling Mom that it didn't eat the fudge brownies. A human mind cannot tell the two apart -- the reflection in the mirror seems identical to its observer -- it cannot conceptually note any differences between the two. Of each it can be said: there's no ego, there's no sound because there's no ego to hear it, no thing is buzzing because there's no ego to take credit for it -- the Absolute is stuck with the bar tab, ya see? If amness is buzzing OM, the only Identity that could take credit for it is the Absolute, but the damned ego butts in and asserts a falsity -- that it is the buzzer of the buzz. That's like an audience roaring with approval and calling " Author, Author, Author " and the ego is some jerk who steps on stage and lets the audience worship it. What a twit, eh? And, 87th? Geo -- that's a world class lie. It is obvious that you've written about this more than that. For me, this is about the 2,343,587th time I've written words about the above, and I'm still not bored. That's the trap, ya see? Mother Divine has an infinity of baubles that can be delved into by the intellect ENDLESSLY, and one is orgasmed -- that is, hypnotized by bliss. That's amness' trump card. Bliss -- the ultimate drug that amness sells to every passerby. Mother Divine the dealer. Gotta love the picture, eh? Edg Intuition tells me we are trodding common ground. I must re-read what you say more carefully in order to decide wether I start criticising it or agreeing with it. But that depends on what my wife will cook for lunch I guess. But yes....what you " got " from my disertation about the absolute and the worlds and minds according to those palls is what I had in mind - exactly. -egg- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:17 AM Re: Nisargadatta Re: Re: Nisargadatta > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:59 AM > Re: Nisargadatta > > Ah, Geo, > > Could you please explain what you think how Niz was seeing or using > consciousness ? > > Werner Geo wrote: > It is my pleasure - for the 87th time :>) > > To Nis consciousness is the first next manifestation, right bellow the > ultimate (I must use words, friend...) > Within that consciousness worlds are born and die. > > To K, consciousness is the part of the human mind intangled with the sense > of centered observer - and the periphery related to it: me/you, > inside/outside, my inner world/society. If there are no thoughts and no awareness, that's deep sleep -- deep sleep is a pretense of silence. The closest a mind can get to having the Absolute in its grasp is deep sleep, but it is merely one mode of operation of the brain -- dreaming and waking the other modes. But though the deep sleep process is relatively silent compared to the other modes, it is not a state of perfect quiescence, and a sufficiently adroit mind can grab that sucker.....probably takes 50 years of meditation in the deep woods to culture such a mind, but that mind, though almost cosmic, is still a mind with content abuzz. Transcending the three modes, a fourth mode can be wordified into existence as a concept: amness is the mother-mode of all modes -- the home of all modes, the godhead. But amness is pure mind, OM unmodulated, a dial tone waiting for a phone number to be entered, and since ego is now attached to amness instead of a projection of amness, the ego shuts up and no longer is found buzzing about its selfhood. While one is in samadhi, amness, there is no ego to pretend it is the observer, and instead, ego can be said to be a " person in waiting. " -- waiting for it's next incarnation as a projection of amness. The deep sleeping mind is wide awake, ya see? It entertains its version of " chemicals processing in a brain " that serve the brain as a metaphor for -- symbol of -- " nothing, nothingness, no thing just space/time waiting for a thing " and on and on we can throw words around like this. The mind is not there unless there is an object of consciousness present -- they're a yin/yang pair -- so the mind puts its radar on some poor unsuspecting process of the brain and says, " You....from now on, when I put my attention on you, you're the Absolute. And I don't want to hear anything from you about your buzziness -- I'm going to be ignoring that on purpose, and ignoring your buzz is easy because my mind hasn't practiced subtlety enough to see the state of deep sleep as a variant of the sound OM. " Talk about your tautologies. Real silence the brain cannot know. No matter how fine a net the intellect creates, there is no thing/butterfly to catch. There is no grasping of the ungraspable, the unburnable, the unwetable, the uncutable. > To K consc. is a much narrower > definition. So to K there is the ultimate (he called it ground), The absolute > then the > universal mind (that Nis called consciousness), amness - soul - cosmic ego - awareness -- pure being - all things organism-ish > then the Mind of Mankind the ritam level -- the first emerging of a projection -- space and time separate -- the gunas begin to dance out of synch with each other but they keep one foot standing in samadhi -- they're still aware of the primal buzz of OM. This is where the gods reside. > and - only then - consciusness. individuality is peppered throughout space/time like Spring stacattoing flowers in April. That is: thoughts begin to flow -- each an incarnation that the ego attaches to instantly and says, " Yup, that's my-me-mine. " > So according to K nomeclature consc. is its > content (me/you, center...) and when consc is emptied(is not) what you > have > is the ground seeing the mind of mankind. I am using fast words. Dang hard to control them thar words when they's spewing out yer chute. Bullriding time. I hate it when that bucker tosses me and there I am with a sentence that I don't want to admit to having authored. Your last sentence is a powerful vision, eh? The Absolute + Amness unsullied by projection. Only after the individuality of amness is projected as a non-unity -- a specific state of the three gunas now out of unity -- is personhood restored. When one exits a state of samadhi/amness it becomes three-ish. Then, the person now incarnate, the mind entertains " other sounds " that remind it of that state of samadhi for this " person's " pleasure, but during samadhi there is only one thought: the sound OM. After samadhi the mind can pretend it had an observer of that samadhi during that samadhi, but this is merely slipping back into egoic projection - a lie told so that the ego can pretend it is eternal when it HAD JUST BEEN turned off for a bit. Denial R us. When the Absolute is symbolized by its projection of amness, there is no sin in equating the two. The Absolute cannot be caught red-handed in the act of doingness. Yet there it is with a chocolate ring around it's mouth and telling Mom that it didn't eat the fudge brownies. A human mind cannot tell the two apart -- the reflection in the mirror seems identical to its observer -- it cannot conceptually note any differences between the two. Of each it can be said: there's no ego, there's no sound because there's no ego to hear it, no thing is buzzing because there's no ego to take credit for it -- the Absolute is stuck with the bar tab, ya see? If amness is buzzing OM, the only Identity that could take credit for it is the Absolute, but the damned ego butts in and asserts a falsity -- that it is the buzzer of the buzz. That's like an audience roaring with approval and calling " Author, Author, Author " and the ego is some jerk who steps on stage and lets the audience worship it. What a twit, eh? And, 87th? Geo -- that's a world class lie. It is obvious that you've written about this more than that. For me, this is about the 2,343,587th time I've written words about the above, and I'm still not bored. That's the trap, ya see? Mother Divine has an infinity of baubles that can be delved into by the intellect ENDLESSLY, and one is orgasmed -- that is, hypnotized by bliss. That's amness' trump card. Bliss -- the ultimate drug that amness sells to every passerby. Mother Divine the dealer. Gotta love the picture, eh? Edg too fucking wordy. ..b b.b. Not this time.. I liked them. After all he got what I meant and now I may rest peacefully knowing I am not completely crazy...after all these years.. -ego- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 9/7/2009 11:40:48 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > too fucking wordy. > > .b b.b. > > Not this time.. I liked them. After all he got what I meant and now I may > rest peacefully knowing I am not completely crazy...after all these years.. > -ego- Geo, I'm still thinking you and I have a tussle about the definition of " ego. " I'm thinking it is but one of many processes of a brain, while you seem to think the whole body/mind system is the ego. Er, yes? Although I think he was a trickster, Carlos Castenada, presented the concept " assemblage point " that seems to somewhat resonate with Ramana's concept of " heart. " Is that what you're getting at for how you see " ego? " Edg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:17 AM > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > Re: Re: Nisargadatta > > > Werner Woehr > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:59 AM > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > Ah, Geo, > > > > Could you please explain what you think how Niz was seeing or using > > consciousness ? > > > > Werner > > Geo wrote: > > > It is my pleasure - for the 87th time :>) > > > > To Nis consciousness is the first next manifestation, right bellow the > > ultimate (I must use words, friend...) > > Within that consciousness worlds are born and die. > > > > To K, consciousness is the part of the human mind intangled with the sense > > of centered observer - and the periphery related to it: me/you, > > inside/outside, my inner world/society. > > If there are no thoughts and no awareness, that's deep sleep -- deep sleep > is a pretense of silence. The closest a mind can get to having the Absolute > in its grasp is deep sleep, but it is merely one mode of operation of the > brain -- dreaming and waking the other modes. But though the deep sleep > process is relatively silent compared to the other modes, it is not a state > of perfect quiescence, and a sufficiently adroit mind can grab that > sucker.....probably takes 50 years of meditation in the deep woods to > culture such a mind, but that mind, though almost cosmic, is still a mind > with content abuzz. > > Transcending the three modes, a fourth mode can be wordified into existence > as a concept: amness is the mother-mode of all modes -- the home of all > modes, the godhead. But amness is pure mind, OM unmodulated, a dial tone > waiting for a phone number to be entered, and since ego is now attached to > amness instead of a projection of amness, the ego shuts up and no longer is > found buzzing about its selfhood. While one is in samadhi, amness, there is > no ego to pretend it is the observer, and instead, ego can be said to be a > " person in waiting. " -- waiting for it's next incarnation as a projection of > amness. > > The deep sleeping mind is wide awake, ya see? It entertains its version of > " chemicals processing in a brain " that serve the brain as a metaphor for -- > symbol of -- " nothing, nothingness, no thing just space/time waiting for a > thing " and on and on we can throw words around like this. The mind is not > there unless there is an object of consciousness present -- they're a > yin/yang pair -- so the mind puts its radar on some poor unsuspecting > process of the brain and says, " You....from now on, when I put my attention > on you, you're the Absolute. And I don't want to hear anything from you > about your buzziness -- I'm going to be ignoring that on purpose, and > ignoring your buzz is easy because my mind hasn't practiced subtlety enough > to see the state of deep sleep as a variant of the sound OM. " > > Talk about your tautologies. > > Real silence the brain cannot know. No matter how fine a net the intellect > creates, there is no thing/butterfly to catch. There is no grasping of the > ungraspable, the unburnable, the unwetable, the uncutable. > > > To K consc. is a much narrower > > definition. So to K there is the ultimate (he called it ground), > > The absolute > > > then the > > universal mind (that Nis called consciousness), > > amness - soul - cosmic ego - awareness -- pure being - all things > organism-ish > > > then the Mind of Mankind > > the ritam level -- the first emerging of a projection -- space and time > separate -- the gunas begin to dance out of synch with each other but they > keep one foot standing in samadhi -- they're still aware of the primal buzz > of OM. This is where the gods reside. > > > and - only then - consciusness. > > individuality is peppered throughout space/time like Spring stacattoing > flowers in April. That is: thoughts begin to flow -- each an incarnation > that the ego attaches to instantly and says, " Yup, that's my-me-mine. " > > > So according to K nomeclature consc. is its > > content (me/you, center...) and when consc is emptied(is not) what you > > have > > is the ground seeing the mind of mankind. I am using fast words. > > Dang hard to control them thar words when they's spewing out yer chute. > Bullriding time. I hate it when that bucker tosses me and there I am with a > sentence that I don't want to admit to having authored. > > Your last sentence is a powerful vision, eh? The Absolute + Amness unsullied > by projection. Only after the individuality of amness is projected as a > non-unity -- a specific state of the three gunas now out of unity -- is > personhood restored. When one exits a state of samadhi/amness it becomes > three-ish. Then, the person now incarnate, the mind entertains " other > sounds " that remind it of that state of samadhi for this " person's " > pleasure, but during samadhi there is only one thought: the sound OM. After > samadhi the mind can pretend it had an observer of that samadhi during that > samadhi, but this is merely slipping back into egoic projection - a lie told > so that the ego can pretend it is eternal when it HAD JUST BEEN turned off > for a bit. Denial R us. > > When the Absolute is symbolized by its projection of amness, there is no sin > in equating the two. The Absolute cannot be caught red-handed in the act of > doingness. Yet there it is with a chocolate ring around it's mouth and > telling Mom that it didn't eat the fudge brownies. > > A human mind cannot tell the two apart -- the reflection in the mirror seems > identical to its observer -- it cannot conceptually note any differences > between the two. Of each it can be said: there's no ego, there's no sound > because there's no ego to hear it, no thing is buzzing because there's no > ego to take credit for it -- the Absolute is stuck with the bar tab, ya see? > If amness is buzzing OM, the only Identity that could take credit for it is > the Absolute, but the damned ego butts in and asserts a falsity -- that it > is the buzzer of the buzz. That's like an audience roaring with approval and > calling " Author, Author, Author " and the ego is some jerk who steps on stage > and lets the audience worship it. What a twit, eh? > > And, 87th? Geo -- that's a world class lie. It is obvious that you've > written about this more than that. For me, this is about the 2,343,587th > time I've written words about the above, and I'm still not bored. That's the > trap, ya see? Mother Divine has an infinity of baubles that can be delved > into by the intellect ENDLESSLY, and one is orgasmed -- that is, hypnotized > by bliss. That's amness' trump card. Bliss -- the ultimate drug that amness > sells to every passerby. Mother Divine the dealer. Gotta love the picture, > eh? > > Edg > > too fucking wordy. > > .b b.b. > > Not this time.. I liked them. After all he got what I meant and now I may > rest peacefully knowing I am not completely crazy...after all these years.. > -ego- too much information. too fucking wordy. who cares? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > too fucking wordy. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Not this time.. I liked them. After all he got what I meant and now I may > > rest peacefully knowing I am not completely crazy...after all these years.. > > -ego- > > Geo, > > I'm still thinking you and I have a tussle about the definition of " ego. " I'm thinking it is but one of many processes of a brain, while you seem to think the whole body/mind system is the ego. Er, yes? > > Although I think he was a trickster, Carlos Castenada, presented the concept " assemblage point " that seems to somewhat resonate with Ramana's concept of " heart. " Is that what you're getting at for how you see " ego? " > > Edg carlos also had some good drugs. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 - duveyoung Nisargadatta Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:26 PM Re: Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > too fucking wordy. > > .b b.b. > > Not this time.. I liked them. After all he got what I meant and now I may > rest peacefully knowing I am not completely crazy...after all these > years.. > -ego- Geo, edg: I'm still thinking you and I have a tussle about the definition of " ego. " I'm thinking it is but one of many processes of a brain, while you seem to think the whole body/mind system is the ego. Er, yes? geo> No. It is a process in the brain. What made you think I think otherwise? The body/mind system can go along pretty well without any conceptual sense of inner separate observer or entity. It is a kind of a " special " process in the brain...not just one of many alike though... edg: Although I think he was a trickster, Carlos Castenada, presented the concept " assemblage point " that seems to somewhat resonate with Ramana's concept of " heart. " Is that what you're getting at for how you see " ego? " geo> I know nothing, haven't read a single page of Ramana, sorry. So...ego is a sense of inner fixed observer separate from some outer universe. There is no such ego, in fact, but the body/mind behaves as if it had that center. I hope we cleared the missunderstanding. Now...about Castaneda. He seems to have been a pretty controversial guy but after some reasoning I came to the conclusion that he was a prick but he did not invent DJuan. It is all true. My reasoning goes this way: reading and listening to several interveiws, and things he said and wrote " as himself " show that he was really a kind of an ignorant. He just did not know what he was talking about. BUT...when you read DJs words (of course told by castaneda) they are absolutely filled to the brim with wisdom. So.... BTW....before I read your post I was thinking about DJ and realized why those old nagualist called IT eagle. NOT because of some color, or something like that..but because of the EYES!!! The eyes!!! It is by far the best seer beast those people knew!! It is the eeing!! This came to me right now- few minutes ago. Assemblage point, yes. We are humans, we are comfortable in this world....but....but...we can eventualy visit other worlds...although it is not the most natural thing to do. Nagualism - fascinating. -geo- -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 9/7/2009 12:51:04 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:01 PM Re: Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:17 AM > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > Re: Re: Nisargadatta > > > Werner Woehr > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:59 AM > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > Ah, Geo, > > > > Could you please explain what you think how Niz was seeing or using > > consciousness ? > > > > Werner > > Geo wrote: > > > It is my pleasure - for the 87th time :>) > > > > To Nis consciousness is the first next manifestation, right bellow the > > ultimate (I must use words, friend...) > > Within that consciousness worlds are born and die. > > > > To K, consciousness is the part of the human mind intangled with the > > sense > > of centered observer - and the periphery related to it: me/you, > > inside/outside, my inner world/society. > > If there are no thoughts and no awareness, that's deep sleep -- deep sleep > is a pretense of silence. The closest a mind can get to having the > Absolute > in its grasp is deep sleep, but it is merely one mode of operation of the > brain -- dreaming and waking the other modes. But though the deep sleep > process is relatively silent compared to the other modes, it is not a > state > of perfect quiescence, and a sufficiently adroit mind can grab that > sucker.....probably takes 50 years of meditation in the deep woods to > culture such a mind, but that mind, though almost cosmic, is still a mind > with content abuzz. > > Transcending the three modes, a fourth mode can be wordified into > existence > as a concept: amness is the mother-mode of all modes -- the home of all > modes, the godhead. But amness is pure mind, OM unmodulated, a dial tone > waiting for a phone number to be entered, and since ego is now attached to > amness instead of a projection of amness, the ego shuts up and no longer > is > found buzzing about its selfhood. While one is in samadhi, amness, there > is > no ego to pretend it is the observer, and instead, ego can be said to be a > " person in waiting. " -- waiting for it's next incarnation as a projection > of > amness. > > The deep sleeping mind is wide awake, ya see? It entertains its version of > " chemicals processing in a brain " that serve the brain as a metaphor > for -- > symbol of -- " nothing, nothingness, no thing just space/time waiting for a > thing " and on and on we can throw words around like this. The mind is not > there unless there is an object of consciousness present -- they're a > yin/yang pair -- so the mind puts its radar on some poor unsuspecting > process of the brain and says, " You....from now on, when I put my > attention > on you, you're the Absolute. And I don't want to hear anything from you > about your buzziness -- I'm going to be ignoring that on purpose, and > ignoring your buzz is easy because my mind hasn't practiced subtlety > enough > to see the state of deep sleep as a variant of the sound OM. " > > Talk about your tautologies. > > Real silence the brain cannot know. No matter how fine a net the intellect > creates, there is no thing/butterfly to catch. There is no grasping of the > ungraspable, the unburnable, the unwetable, the uncutable. > > > To K consc. is a much narrower > > definition. So to K there is the ultimate (he called it ground), > > The absolute > > > then the > > universal mind (that Nis called consciousness), > > amness - soul - cosmic ego - awareness -- pure being - all things > organism-ish > > > then the Mind of Mankind > > the ritam level -- the first emerging of a projection -- space and time > separate -- the gunas begin to dance out of synch with each other but they > keep one foot standing in samadhi -- they're still aware of the primal > buzz > of OM. This is where the gods reside. > > > and - only then - consciusness. > > individuality is peppered throughout space/time like Spring stacattoing > flowers in April. That is: thoughts begin to flow -- each an incarnation > that the ego attaches to instantly and says, " Yup, that's my-me-mine. " > > > So according to K nomeclature consc. is its > > content (me/you, center...) and when consc is emptied(is not) what you > > have > > is the ground seeing the mind of mankind. I am using fast words. > > Dang hard to control them thar words when they's spewing out yer chute. > Bullriding time. I hate it when that bucker tosses me and there I am with > a > sentence that I don't want to admit to having authored. > > Your last sentence is a powerful vision, eh? The Absolute + Amness > unsullied > by projection. Only after the individuality of amness is projected as a > non-unity -- a specific state of the three gunas now out of unity -- is > personhood restored. When one exits a state of samadhi/amness it becomes > three-ish. Then, the person now incarnate, the mind entertains " other > sounds " that remind it of that state of samadhi for this " person's " > pleasure, but during samadhi there is only one thought: the sound OM. > After > samadhi the mind can pretend it had an observer of that samadhi during > that > samadhi, but this is merely slipping back into egoic projection - a lie > told > so that the ego can pretend it is eternal when it HAD JUST BEEN turned off > for a bit. Denial R us. > > When the Absolute is symbolized by its projection of amness, there is no > sin > in equating the two. The Absolute cannot be caught red-handed in the act > of > doingness. Yet there it is with a chocolate ring around it's mouth and > telling Mom that it didn't eat the fudge brownies. > > A human mind cannot tell the two apart -- the reflection in the mirror > seems > identical to its observer -- it cannot conceptually note any differences > between the two. Of each it can be said: there's no ego, there's no sound > because there's no ego to hear it, no thing is buzzing because there's no > ego to take credit for it -- the Absolute is stuck with the bar tab, ya > see? > If amness is buzzing OM, the only Identity that could take credit for it > is > the Absolute, but the damned ego butts in and asserts a falsity -- that it > is the buzzer of the buzz. That's like an audience roaring with approval > and > calling " Author, Author, Author " and the ego is some jerk who steps on > stage > and lets the audience worship it. What a twit, eh? > > And, 87th? Geo -- that's a world class lie. It is obvious that you've > written about this more than that. For me, this is about the 2,343,587th > time I've written words about the above, and I'm still not bored. That's > the > trap, ya see? Mother Divine has an infinity of baubles that can be delved > into by the intellect ENDLESSLY, and one is orgasmed -- that is, > hypnotized > by bliss. That's amness' trump card. Bliss -- the ultimate drug that > amness > sells to every passerby. Mother Divine the dealer. Gotta love the picture, > eh? > > Edg > > too fucking wordy. > > .b b.b. > > Not this time.. I liked them. After all he got what I meant and now I may > rest peacefully knowing I am not completely crazy...after all these > years.. > -ego- too much information. too fucking wordy. who cares? ..b b.b. How many information do you need? Is not one enough? Variations on a theme.. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 9/7/2009 13:02:09 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > duveyoung > Nisargadatta > Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:26 PM > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > too fucking wordy. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Not this time.. I liked them. After all he got what I meant and now I may > > rest peacefully knowing I am not completely crazy...after all these > > years.. > > -ego- > > Geo, > > edg: I'm still thinking you and I have a tussle about the definition of > " ego. " I'm thinking it is but one of many processes of a brain, while you > seem to think the whole body/mind system is the ego. Er, yes? > > geo> No. It is a process in the brain. What made you think I think > otherwise? > The body/mind system can go along pretty well without any conceptual sense > of inner separate observer or entity. It is a kind of a " special " process in > the brain...not just one of many alike though... > > edg: Although I think he was a trickster, Carlos Castenada, presented the > concept " assemblage point " that seems to somewhat resonate with Ramana's > concept of " heart. " Is that what you're getting at for how you see " ego? " > > geo> I know nothing, haven't read a single page of Ramana, sorry. So...ego > is a sense of inner fixed observer separate from some outer universe. There > is no such ego, in fact, but the body/mind behaves as if it had that center. > I hope we cleared the missunderstanding. > > Now...about Castaneda. He seems to have been a pretty controversial guy but > after some reasoning I came to the conclusion that he was a prick but he did > not invent DJuan. It is all true. My reasoning goes this way: reading and > listening to several interveiws, and things he said and wrote " as himself " > show that he was really a kind of an ignorant. He just did not know what he > was talking about. BUT...when you read DJs words (of course told by > castaneda) they are absolutely filled to the brim with wisdom. So.... > > BTW....before I read your post I was thinking about DJ and realized why > those old nagualist called IT eagle. NOT because of some color, or something > like that..but because of the EYES!!! The eyes!!! It is by far the best > seer beast those people knew!! It is the eeing!! This came to me right now- > few minutes ago. > > Assemblage point, yes. We are humans, we are comfortable in this > world....but....but...we can eventualy visit other worlds...although it is > not the most natural thing to do. > > Nagualism - fascinating. > -geo- > -geo- somnolent too. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:01 PM > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:17 AM > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > Werner Woehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:59 AM > > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > Ah, Geo, > > > > > > Could you please explain what you think how Niz was seeing or using > > > consciousness ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > Geo wrote: > > > > > It is my pleasure - for the 87th time :>) > > > > > > To Nis consciousness is the first next manifestation, right bellow the > > > ultimate (I must use words, friend...) > > > Within that consciousness worlds are born and die. > > > > > > To K, consciousness is the part of the human mind intangled with the > > > sense > > > of centered observer - and the periphery related to it: me/you, > > > inside/outside, my inner world/society. > > > > If there are no thoughts and no awareness, that's deep sleep -- deep sleep > > is a pretense of silence. The closest a mind can get to having the > > Absolute > > in its grasp is deep sleep, but it is merely one mode of operation of the > > brain -- dreaming and waking the other modes. But though the deep sleep > > process is relatively silent compared to the other modes, it is not a > > state > > of perfect quiescence, and a sufficiently adroit mind can grab that > > sucker.....probably takes 50 years of meditation in the deep woods to > > culture such a mind, but that mind, though almost cosmic, is still a mind > > with content abuzz. > > > > Transcending the three modes, a fourth mode can be wordified into > > existence > > as a concept: amness is the mother-mode of all modes -- the home of all > > modes, the godhead. But amness is pure mind, OM unmodulated, a dial tone > > waiting for a phone number to be entered, and since ego is now attached to > > amness instead of a projection of amness, the ego shuts up and no longer > > is > > found buzzing about its selfhood. While one is in samadhi, amness, there > > is > > no ego to pretend it is the observer, and instead, ego can be said to be a > > " person in waiting. " -- waiting for it's next incarnation as a projection > > of > > amness. > > > > The deep sleeping mind is wide awake, ya see? It entertains its version of > > " chemicals processing in a brain " that serve the brain as a metaphor > > for -- > > symbol of -- " nothing, nothingness, no thing just space/time waiting for a > > thing " and on and on we can throw words around like this. The mind is not > > there unless there is an object of consciousness present -- they're a > > yin/yang pair -- so the mind puts its radar on some poor unsuspecting > > process of the brain and says, " You....from now on, when I put my > > attention > > on you, you're the Absolute. And I don't want to hear anything from you > > about your buzziness -- I'm going to be ignoring that on purpose, and > > ignoring your buzz is easy because my mind hasn't practiced subtlety > > enough > > to see the state of deep sleep as a variant of the sound OM. " > > > > Talk about your tautologies. > > > > Real silence the brain cannot know. No matter how fine a net the intellect > > creates, there is no thing/butterfly to catch. There is no grasping of the > > ungraspable, the unburnable, the unwetable, the uncutable. > > > > > To K consc. is a much narrower > > > definition. So to K there is the ultimate (he called it ground), > > > > The absolute > > > > > then the > > > universal mind (that Nis called consciousness), > > > > amness - soul - cosmic ego - awareness -- pure being - all things > > organism-ish > > > > > then the Mind of Mankind > > > > the ritam level -- the first emerging of a projection -- space and time > > separate -- the gunas begin to dance out of synch with each other but they > > keep one foot standing in samadhi -- they're still aware of the primal > > buzz > > of OM. This is where the gods reside. > > > > > and - only then - consciusness. > > > > individuality is peppered throughout space/time like Spring stacattoing > > flowers in April. That is: thoughts begin to flow -- each an incarnation > > that the ego attaches to instantly and says, " Yup, that's my-me-mine. " > > > > > So according to K nomeclature consc. is its > > > content (me/you, center...) and when consc is emptied(is not) what you > > > have > > > is the ground seeing the mind of mankind. I am using fast words. > > > > Dang hard to control them thar words when they's spewing out yer chute. > > Bullriding time. I hate it when that bucker tosses me and there I am with > > a > > sentence that I don't want to admit to having authored. > > > > Your last sentence is a powerful vision, eh? The Absolute + Amness > > unsullied > > by projection. Only after the individuality of amness is projected as a > > non-unity -- a specific state of the three gunas now out of unity -- is > > personhood restored. When one exits a state of samadhi/amness it becomes > > three-ish. Then, the person now incarnate, the mind entertains " other > > sounds " that remind it of that state of samadhi for this " person's " > > pleasure, but during samadhi there is only one thought: the sound OM. > > After > > samadhi the mind can pretend it had an observer of that samadhi during > > that > > samadhi, but this is merely slipping back into egoic projection - a lie > > told > > so that the ego can pretend it is eternal when it HAD JUST BEEN turned off > > for a bit. Denial R us. > > > > When the Absolute is symbolized by its projection of amness, there is no > > sin > > in equating the two. The Absolute cannot be caught red-handed in the act > > of > > doingness. Yet there it is with a chocolate ring around it's mouth and > > telling Mom that it didn't eat the fudge brownies. > > > > A human mind cannot tell the two apart -- the reflection in the mirror > > seems > > identical to its observer -- it cannot conceptually note any differences > > between the two. Of each it can be said: there's no ego, there's no sound > > because there's no ego to hear it, no thing is buzzing because there's no > > ego to take credit for it -- the Absolute is stuck with the bar tab, ya > > see? > > If amness is buzzing OM, the only Identity that could take credit for it > > is > > the Absolute, but the damned ego butts in and asserts a falsity -- that it > > is the buzzer of the buzz. That's like an audience roaring with approval > > and > > calling " Author, Author, Author " and the ego is some jerk who steps on > > stage > > and lets the audience worship it. What a twit, eh? > > > > And, 87th? Geo -- that's a world class lie. It is obvious that you've > > written about this more than that. For me, this is about the 2,343,587th > > time I've written words about the above, and I'm still not bored. That's > > the > > trap, ya see? Mother Divine has an infinity of baubles that can be delved > > into by the intellect ENDLESSLY, and one is orgasmed -- that is, > > hypnotized > > by bliss. That's amness' trump card. Bliss -- the ultimate drug that > > amness > > sells to every passerby. Mother Divine the dealer. Gotta love the picture, > > eh? > > > > Edg > > > > too fucking wordy. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Not this time.. I liked them. After all he got what I meant and now I may > > rest peacefully knowing I am not completely crazy...after all these > > years.. > > -ego- > > too much information. > > too fucking wordy. > > who cares? > > .b b.b. > > How many information do you need? Is not one enough? > Variations on a theme.. > -geo- i have no needs. variations on a theme are tiresome and tedious. i'm as nothing. it never varies.. it needs not anything. it never runs out. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 - Edg Nisargadatta Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:57 AM Re: Re: Nisargadatta Werner Woehr Nisargadatta Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:59 AM Re: Nisargadatta Ah, Geo, Could you please explain what you think how Niz was seeing or using consciousness ? Werner Geo wrote: It is my pleasure - for the 87th time :>) To Nis consciousness is the first next manifestation, right bellow the ultimate (I must use words, friend...) Within that consciousness worlds are born and die. To K, consciousness is the part of the human mind intangled with the sense of centered observer - and the periphery related to it: me/you, inside/outside, my inner world/society. If there are no thoughts and no awareness, that's deep sleep -- deep sleep is a pretense of silence. The closest a mind can get to having the Absolute in its grasp is deep sleep, but it is merely one mode of operation of the brain -- dreaming and waking the other modes. But though the deep sleep process is relatively silent compared to the other modes, it is not a state of perfect quiescence, and a sufficiently adroit mind can grab that sucker.....probably takes 50 years of meditation in the deep woods to culture such a mind, but that mind, though almost cosmic, is still a mind with content abuzz. geo> No mind can grasp that. A good question: what can then? How are we talking about something that is...is....is...ungraspable?? uhh?? == Transcending the three modes, a fourth mode can be wordified into existence as a concept: amness is the mother-mode of all modes -- the home of all modes, the godhead. But amness is pure mind, OM unmodulated, a dial tone waiting for a phone number to be entered, and since ego is now attached to amness instead of a projection of amness, the ego shuts up and no longer is found buzzing about its selfhood. While one is in samadhi, amness, there is no ego to pretend it is the observer, and instead, ego can be said to be a " person in waiting. " -- waiting for it's next incarnation as a projection of amness. geo> Yes...it can not last...must move " soon " == The deep sleeping mind is wide awake, ya see? geo> Yes...seems to remind the idea fo getting out of the way... == it entertains its version of " chemicals processing in a brain " that serve the brain as a metaphor for -- symbol of -- " nothing, nothingness, no thing just space/time waiting for a thing " and on and on we can throw words around like this. The mind is not there unless there is an object of consciousness present -- they're a yin/yang pair -- so the mind puts its radar on some poor unsuspecting process of the brain and says, " You....from now on, when I put my attention on you, you're the Absolute. And I don't want to hear anything from you about your buzziness -- I'm going to be ignoring that on purpose, and ignoring your buzz is easy because my mind hasn't practiced subtlety enough to see the state of deep sleep as a variant of the sound OM. " geo> You must be making sense...but my brain doesnt want to listen..look at it later... == Talk about your tautologies. Real silence the brain cannot know. No matter how fine a net the intellect creates, there is no thing/butterfly to catch. There is no grasping of the ungraspable, the unburnable, the unwetable, the uncutable. geo> The brain can not know. == To K consc. is a much narrower definition. So to K there is the ultimate (he called it ground), The absolute then the universal mind (that Nis called consciousness), amness - soul - cosmic ego - awareness -- pure being - all things organism-ish then the Mind of Mankind the ritam level -- the first emerging of a projection -- space and time separate -- the gunas begin to dance out of synch with each other but they keep one foot standing in samadhi -- they're still aware of the primal buzz of OM. This is where the gods reside. and - only then - consciusness. individuality is peppered throughout space/time like Spring stacattoing flowers in April. That is: thoughts begin to flow -- each an incarnation that the ego attaches to instantly and says, " Yup, that's my-me-mine. " geo> Yes == So according to K nomeclature consc. is its content (me/you, center...) and when consc is emptied(is not) what you have is the ground seeing the mind of mankind. I am using fast words. geo> Why not? == Dang hard to control them thar words when they's spewing out yer chute. Bullriding time. I hate it when that bucker tosses me and there I am with a sentence that I don't want to admit to having authored. Your last sentence is a powerful vision, eh? The Absolute + Amness unsullied by projection. Only after the individuality of amness is projected as a non-unity -- a specific state of the three gunas now out of unity -- is personhood restored. When one exits a state of samadhi/amness it becomes three-ish. Then, the person now incarnate, the mind entertains " other sounds " that remind it of that state of samadhi for this " person's " pleasure, but during samadhi there is only one thought: the sound OM. After samadhi the mind can pretend it had an observer of that samadhi during that samadhi, but this is merely slipping back into egoic projection - a lie told so that the ego can pretend it is eternal when it HAD JUST BEEN turned off for a bit. Denial R us. geo> This is where rithm somehow.....sneaks in....It has always just been... == When the Absolute is symbolized by its projection of amness, there is no sin in equating the two. geo> What is this? When the absolute is symbolized - is illusion...concept...darkness. Is it symbolized " by " or " as " ? == The Absolute cannot be caught red-handed in the act of doingness. Yet there it is with a chocolate ring around it's mouth and telling Mom that it didn't eat the fudge brownies. geo> Ah..wait... The Absolute cannot be caught red-handed in the act of doingness because there is none to catch it. The absolute telling its mom?? Dont understand. It is alone. == A human mind cannot tell the two apart -- the reflection in the mirror seems identical to its observer -- it cannot conceptually note any differences between the two. Of each it can be said: there's no ego, there's no sound because there's no ego to hear it, no thing is buzzing because there's no ego to take credit for it -- the Absolute is stuck with the bar tab, ya see? If amness is buzzing OM, the only Identity that could take credit for it is the Absolute, but the damned ego butts in and asserts a falsity -- that it is the buzzer of the buzz. That's like an audience roaring with approval and calling " Author, Author, Author " and the ego is some jerk who steps on stage and lets the audience worship it. What a twit, eh? geo> Yes..it is so... == And, 87th? Geo -- that's a world class lie. It is obvious that you've written about this more than that. For me, this is about the 2,343,587th time I've written words about the above, and I'm still not bored. That's the trap, ya see? Mother Divine has an infinity of baubles that can be delved into by the intellect ENDLESSLY, and one is orgasmed -- that is, hypnotized by bliss. That's amness' trump card. Bliss -- the ultimate drug that amness sells to every passerby. Mother Divine the dealer. Gotta love the picture, eh? Edg -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 9/7/2009 11:40:47 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:16 PM Re: Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > duveyoung > Nisargadatta > Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:26 PM > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > too fucking wordy. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Not this time.. I liked them. After all he got what I meant and now I > > may > > rest peacefully knowing I am not completely crazy...after all these > > years.. > > -ego- > > Geo, > > edg: I'm still thinking you and I have a tussle about the definition of > " ego. " I'm thinking it is but one of many processes of a brain, while you > seem to think the whole body/mind system is the ego. Er, yes? > > geo> No. It is a process in the brain. What made you think I think > otherwise? > The body/mind system can go along pretty well without any conceptual sense > of inner separate observer or entity. It is a kind of a " special " process > in > the brain...not just one of many alike though... > > edg: Although I think he was a trickster, Carlos Castenada, presented the > concept " assemblage point " that seems to somewhat resonate with Ramana's > concept of " heart. " Is that what you're getting at for how you see " ego? " > > geo> I know nothing, haven't read a single page of Ramana, sorry. So...ego > is a sense of inner fixed observer separate from some outer universe. > There > is no such ego, in fact, but the body/mind behaves as if it had that > center. > I hope we cleared the missunderstanding. > > Now...about Castaneda. He seems to have been a pretty controversial guy > but > after some reasoning I came to the conclusion that he was a prick but he > did > not invent DJuan. It is all true. My reasoning goes this way: reading and > listening to several interveiws, and things he said and wrote " as himself " > show that he was really a kind of an ignorant. He just did not know what > he > was talking about. BUT...when you read DJs words (of course told by > castaneda) they are absolutely filled to the brim with wisdom. So.... > > BTW....before I read your post I was thinking about DJ and realized why > those old nagualist called IT eagle. NOT because of some color, or > something > like that..but because of the EYES!!! The eyes!!! It is by far the best > seer beast those people knew!! It is the eeing!! This came to me right > now- > few minutes ago. > > Assemblage point, yes. We are humans, we are comfortable in this > world....but....but...we can eventualy visit other worlds...although it is > not the most natural thing to do. > > Nagualism - fascinating. > -geo- > -geo- somnolent too. ..b b.b. Then use: death will end your somnolence soon - just wait a sec. -ego- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 9/7/2009 13:18:18 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:20 PM Re: Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:01 PM > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:17 AM > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > Werner Woehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:59 AM > > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > Ah, Geo, > > > > > > Could you please explain what you think how Niz was seeing or using > > > consciousness ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > Geo wrote: > > > > > It is my pleasure - for the 87th time :>) > > > > > > To Nis consciousness is the first next manifestation, right bellow the > > > ultimate (I must use words, friend...) > > > Within that consciousness worlds are born and die. > > > > > > To K, consciousness is the part of the human mind intangled with the > > > sense > > > of centered observer - and the periphery related to it: me/you, > > > inside/outside, my inner world/society. > > > > If there are no thoughts and no awareness, that's deep sleep -- deep > > sleep > > is a pretense of silence. The closest a mind can get to having the > > Absolute > > in its grasp is deep sleep, but it is merely one mode of operation of > > the > > brain -- dreaming and waking the other modes. But though the deep sleep > > process is relatively silent compared to the other modes, it is not a > > state > > of perfect quiescence, and a sufficiently adroit mind can grab that > > sucker.....probably takes 50 years of meditation in the deep woods to > > culture such a mind, but that mind, though almost cosmic, is still a > > mind > > with content abuzz. > > > > Transcending the three modes, a fourth mode can be wordified into > > existence > > as a concept: amness is the mother-mode of all modes -- the home of all > > modes, the godhead. But amness is pure mind, OM unmodulated, a dial tone > > waiting for a phone number to be entered, and since ego is now attached > > to > > amness instead of a projection of amness, the ego shuts up and no longer > > is > > found buzzing about its selfhood. While one is in samadhi, amness, there > > is > > no ego to pretend it is the observer, and instead, ego can be said to be > > a > > " person in waiting. " -- waiting for it's next incarnation as a > > projection > > of > > amness. > > > > The deep sleeping mind is wide awake, ya see? It entertains its version > > of > > " chemicals processing in a brain " that serve the brain as a metaphor > > for -- > > symbol of -- " nothing, nothingness, no thing just space/time waiting for > > a > > thing " and on and on we can throw words around like this. The mind is > > not > > there unless there is an object of consciousness present -- they're a > > yin/yang pair -- so the mind puts its radar on some poor unsuspecting > > process of the brain and says, " You....from now on, when I put my > > attention > > on you, you're the Absolute. And I don't want to hear anything from you > > about your buzziness -- I'm going to be ignoring that on purpose, and > > ignoring your buzz is easy because my mind hasn't practiced subtlety > > enough > > to see the state of deep sleep as a variant of the sound OM. " > > > > Talk about your tautologies. > > > > Real silence the brain cannot know. No matter how fine a net the > > intellect > > creates, there is no thing/butterfly to catch. There is no grasping of > > the > > ungraspable, the unburnable, the unwetable, the uncutable. > > > > > To K consc. is a much narrower > > > definition. So to K there is the ultimate (he called it ground), > > > > The absolute > > > > > then the > > > universal mind (that Nis called consciousness), > > > > amness - soul - cosmic ego - awareness -- pure being - all things > > organism-ish > > > > > then the Mind of Mankind > > > > the ritam level -- the first emerging of a projection -- space and time > > separate -- the gunas begin to dance out of synch with each other but > > they > > keep one foot standing in samadhi -- they're still aware of the primal > > buzz > > of OM. This is where the gods reside. > > > > > and - only then - consciusness. > > > > individuality is peppered throughout space/time like Spring stacattoing > > flowers in April. That is: thoughts begin to flow -- each an incarnation > > that the ego attaches to instantly and says, " Yup, that's my-me-mine. " > > > > > So according to K nomeclature consc. is its > > > content (me/you, center...) and when consc is emptied(is not) what you > > > have > > > is the ground seeing the mind of mankind. I am using fast words. > > > > Dang hard to control them thar words when they's spewing out yer chute. > > Bullriding time. I hate it when that bucker tosses me and there I am > > with > > a > > sentence that I don't want to admit to having authored. > > > > Your last sentence is a powerful vision, eh? The Absolute + Amness > > unsullied > > by projection. Only after the individuality of amness is projected as a > > non-unity -- a specific state of the three gunas now out of unity -- is > > personhood restored. When one exits a state of samadhi/amness it becomes > > three-ish. Then, the person now incarnate, the mind entertains " other > > sounds " that remind it of that state of samadhi for this " person's " > > pleasure, but during samadhi there is only one thought: the sound OM. > > After > > samadhi the mind can pretend it had an observer of that samadhi during > > that > > samadhi, but this is merely slipping back into egoic projection - a lie > > told > > so that the ego can pretend it is eternal when it HAD JUST BEEN turned > > off > > for a bit. Denial R us. > > > > When the Absolute is symbolized by its projection of amness, there is no > > sin > > in equating the two. The Absolute cannot be caught red-handed in the act > > of > > doingness. Yet there it is with a chocolate ring around it's mouth and > > telling Mom that it didn't eat the fudge brownies. > > > > A human mind cannot tell the two apart -- the reflection in the mirror > > seems > > identical to its observer -- it cannot conceptually note any differences > > between the two. Of each it can be said: there's no ego, there's no > > sound > > because there's no ego to hear it, no thing is buzzing because there's > > no > > ego to take credit for it -- the Absolute is stuck with the bar tab, ya > > see? > > If amness is buzzing OM, the only Identity that could take credit for it > > is > > the Absolute, but the damned ego butts in and asserts a falsity -- that > > it > > is the buzzer of the buzz. That's like an audience roaring with approval > > and > > calling " Author, Author, Author " and the ego is some jerk who steps on > > stage > > and lets the audience worship it. What a twit, eh? > > > > And, 87th? Geo -- that's a world class lie. It is obvious that you've > > written about this more than that. For me, this is about the 2,343,587th > > time I've written words about the above, and I'm still not bored. That's > > the > > trap, ya see? Mother Divine has an infinity of baubles that can be > > delved > > into by the intellect ENDLESSLY, and one is orgasmed -- that is, > > hypnotized > > by bliss. That's amness' trump card. Bliss -- the ultimate drug that > > amness > > sells to every passerby. Mother Divine the dealer. Gotta love the > > picture, > > eh? > > > > Edg > > > > too fucking wordy. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Not this time.. I liked them. After all he got what I meant and now I > > may > > rest peacefully knowing I am not completely crazy...after all these > > years.. > > -ego- > > too much information. > > too fucking wordy. > > who cares? > > .b b.b. > > How many information do you need? Is not one enough? > Variations on a theme.. > -geo- i have no needs. variations on a theme are tiresome and tedious. i'm as nothing. it never varies.. it needs not anything. it never runs out. ..b b.b. Unfortunately all variations are on the same theme...no way pall. But dont worry....soon all will be over. 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 So according to K nomeclature consc. is itscontent (me/you, center...) and when consc is emptied(is not) what you haveis the ground seeing the mind of mankind. I am using fast words.geo> Why not? When the center is not anymore conceptualized/imagined as something existing, consc as per Krishnamurti is empty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:16 PM > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > duveyoung > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:26 PM > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > too fucking wordy. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Not this time.. I liked them. After all he got what I meant and now I > > > may > > > rest peacefully knowing I am not completely crazy...after all these > > > years.. > > > -ego- > > > > Geo, > > > > edg: I'm still thinking you and I have a tussle about the definition of > > " ego. " I'm thinking it is but one of many processes of a brain, while you > > seem to think the whole body/mind system is the ego. Er, yes? > > > > geo> No. It is a process in the brain. What made you think I think > > otherwise? > > The body/mind system can go along pretty well without any conceptual sense > > of inner separate observer or entity. It is a kind of a " special " process > > in > > the brain...not just one of many alike though... > > > > edg: Although I think he was a trickster, Carlos Castenada, presented the > > concept " assemblage point " that seems to somewhat resonate with Ramana's > > concept of " heart. " Is that what you're getting at for how you see " ego? " > > > > geo> I know nothing, haven't read a single page of Ramana, sorry. So...ego > > is a sense of inner fixed observer separate from some outer universe. > > There > > is no such ego, in fact, but the body/mind behaves as if it had that > > center. > > I hope we cleared the missunderstanding. > > > > Now...about Castaneda. He seems to have been a pretty controversial guy > > but > > after some reasoning I came to the conclusion that he was a prick but he > > did > > not invent DJuan. It is all true. My reasoning goes this way: reading and > > listening to several interveiws, and things he said and wrote " as himself " > > show that he was really a kind of an ignorant. He just did not know what > > he > > was talking about. BUT...when you read DJs words (of course told by > > castaneda) they are absolutely filled to the brim with wisdom. So.... > > > > BTW....before I read your post I was thinking about DJ and realized why > > those old nagualist called IT eagle. NOT because of some color, or > > something > > like that..but because of the EYES!!! The eyes!!! It is by far the best > > seer beast those people knew!! It is the eeing!! This came to me right > > now- > > few minutes ago. > > > > Assemblage point, yes. We are humans, we are comfortable in this > > world....but....but...we can eventualy visit other worlds...although it is > > not the most natural thing to do. > > > > Nagualism - fascinating. > > -geo- > > -geo- > > somnolent too. > > .b b.b. > > Then use: death will end your somnolence soon - just wait a sec. > -ego- you've been smoking to much Don Juan. better settle back and just smoke some B.C. bud. it's available worldwide now. and it doesn't make you believe that Castaneda bullshit. it just makes it more fun to read. and that's the stoned cold truth. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:20 PM > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:01 PM > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:17 AM > > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Werner Woehr > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:59 AM > > > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Ah, Geo, > > > > > > > > Could you please explain what you think how Niz was seeing or using > > > > consciousness ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Geo wrote: > > > > > > > It is my pleasure - for the 87th time :>) > > > > > > > > To Nis consciousness is the first next manifestation, right bellow the > > > > ultimate (I must use words, friend...) > > > > Within that consciousness worlds are born and die. > > > > > > > > To K, consciousness is the part of the human mind intangled with the > > > > sense > > > > of centered observer - and the periphery related to it: me/you, > > > > inside/outside, my inner world/society. > > > > > > If there are no thoughts and no awareness, that's deep sleep -- deep > > > sleep > > > is a pretense of silence. The closest a mind can get to having the > > > Absolute > > > in its grasp is deep sleep, but it is merely one mode of operation of > > > the > > > brain -- dreaming and waking the other modes. But though the deep sleep > > > process is relatively silent compared to the other modes, it is not a > > > state > > > of perfect quiescence, and a sufficiently adroit mind can grab that > > > sucker.....probably takes 50 years of meditation in the deep woods to > > > culture such a mind, but that mind, though almost cosmic, is still a > > > mind > > > with content abuzz. > > > > > > Transcending the three modes, a fourth mode can be wordified into > > > existence > > > as a concept: amness is the mother-mode of all modes -- the home of all > > > modes, the godhead. But amness is pure mind, OM unmodulated, a dial tone > > > waiting for a phone number to be entered, and since ego is now attached > > > to > > > amness instead of a projection of amness, the ego shuts up and no longer > > > is > > > found buzzing about its selfhood. While one is in samadhi, amness, there > > > is > > > no ego to pretend it is the observer, and instead, ego can be said to be > > > a > > > " person in waiting. " -- waiting for it's next incarnation as a > > > projection > > > of > > > amness. > > > > > > The deep sleeping mind is wide awake, ya see? It entertains its version > > > of > > > " chemicals processing in a brain " that serve the brain as a metaphor > > > for -- > > > symbol of -- " nothing, nothingness, no thing just space/time waiting for > > > a > > > thing " and on and on we can throw words around like this. The mind is > > > not > > > there unless there is an object of consciousness present -- they're a > > > yin/yang pair -- so the mind puts its radar on some poor unsuspecting > > > process of the brain and says, " You....from now on, when I put my > > > attention > > > on you, you're the Absolute. And I don't want to hear anything from you > > > about your buzziness -- I'm going to be ignoring that on purpose, and > > > ignoring your buzz is easy because my mind hasn't practiced subtlety > > > enough > > > to see the state of deep sleep as a variant of the sound OM. " > > > > > > Talk about your tautologies. > > > > > > Real silence the brain cannot know. No matter how fine a net the > > > intellect > > > creates, there is no thing/butterfly to catch. There is no grasping of > > > the > > > ungraspable, the unburnable, the unwetable, the uncutable. > > > > > > > To K consc. is a much narrower > > > > definition. So to K there is the ultimate (he called it ground), > > > > > > The absolute > > > > > > > then the > > > > universal mind (that Nis called consciousness), > > > > > > amness - soul - cosmic ego - awareness -- pure being - all things > > > organism-ish > > > > > > > then the Mind of Mankind > > > > > > the ritam level -- the first emerging of a projection -- space and time > > > separate -- the gunas begin to dance out of synch with each other but > > > they > > > keep one foot standing in samadhi -- they're still aware of the primal > > > buzz > > > of OM. This is where the gods reside. > > > > > > > and - only then - consciusness. > > > > > > individuality is peppered throughout space/time like Spring stacattoing > > > flowers in April. That is: thoughts begin to flow -- each an incarnation > > > that the ego attaches to instantly and says, " Yup, that's my-me-mine. " > > > > > > > So according to K nomeclature consc. is its > > > > content (me/you, center...) and when consc is emptied(is not) what you > > > > have > > > > is the ground seeing the mind of mankind. I am using fast words. > > > > > > Dang hard to control them thar words when they's spewing out yer chute. > > > Bullriding time. I hate it when that bucker tosses me and there I am > > > with > > > a > > > sentence that I don't want to admit to having authored. > > > > > > Your last sentence is a powerful vision, eh? The Absolute + Amness > > > unsullied > > > by projection. Only after the individuality of amness is projected as a > > > non-unity -- a specific state of the three gunas now out of unity -- is > > > personhood restored. When one exits a state of samadhi/amness it becomes > > > three-ish. Then, the person now incarnate, the mind entertains " other > > > sounds " that remind it of that state of samadhi for this " person's " > > > pleasure, but during samadhi there is only one thought: the sound OM. > > > After > > > samadhi the mind can pretend it had an observer of that samadhi during > > > that > > > samadhi, but this is merely slipping back into egoic projection - a lie > > > told > > > so that the ego can pretend it is eternal when it HAD JUST BEEN turned > > > off > > > for a bit. Denial R us. > > > > > > When the Absolute is symbolized by its projection of amness, there is no > > > sin > > > in equating the two. The Absolute cannot be caught red-handed in the act > > > of > > > doingness. Yet there it is with a chocolate ring around it's mouth and > > > telling Mom that it didn't eat the fudge brownies. > > > > > > A human mind cannot tell the two apart -- the reflection in the mirror > > > seems > > > identical to its observer -- it cannot conceptually note any differences > > > between the two. Of each it can be said: there's no ego, there's no > > > sound > > > because there's no ego to hear it, no thing is buzzing because there's > > > no > > > ego to take credit for it -- the Absolute is stuck with the bar tab, ya > > > see? > > > If amness is buzzing OM, the only Identity that could take credit for it > > > is > > > the Absolute, but the damned ego butts in and asserts a falsity -- that > > > it > > > is the buzzer of the buzz. That's like an audience roaring with approval > > > and > > > calling " Author, Author, Author " and the ego is some jerk who steps on > > > stage > > > and lets the audience worship it. What a twit, eh? > > > > > > And, 87th? Geo -- that's a world class lie. It is obvious that you've > > > written about this more than that. For me, this is about the 2,343,587th > > > time I've written words about the above, and I'm still not bored. That's > > > the > > > trap, ya see? Mother Divine has an infinity of baubles that can be > > > delved > > > into by the intellect ENDLESSLY, and one is orgasmed -- that is, > > > hypnotized > > > by bliss. That's amness' trump card. Bliss -- the ultimate drug that > > > amness > > > sells to every passerby. Mother Divine the dealer. Gotta love the > > > picture, > > > eh? > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > too fucking wordy. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Not this time.. I liked them. After all he got what I meant and now I > > > may > > > rest peacefully knowing I am not completely crazy...after all these > > > years.. > > > -ego- > > > > too much information. > > > > too fucking wordy. > > > > who cares? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > How many information do you need? Is not one enough? > > Variations on a theme.. > > -geo- > > i have no needs. > > variations on a theme are tiresome and tedious. > > i'm as nothing. > > it never varies.. > > it needs not anything. > > it never runs out. > > .b b.b. > > Unfortunately all variations are on the same theme...no way pall. > But dont worry....soon all will be over. LOL LOL LOL hmmm mmmm > m > -geo- what's your definition of soon? it's all over for everyone and everything in 2012. so the Mayas tell me so. they were pretty good bullshitters too. not as good as some freaks in here though. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > So according to K nomeclature consc. is its > content (me/you, center...) and when consc is emptied(is not) what you have > is the ground seeing the mind of mankind. I am using fast words. > > geo> Why not? When the center is not anymore conceptualized/imagined as something existing, consc as per Krishnamurti is empty. when something is no longer conceived or conceptualized.. where the fuck do you think a center could be? what the fuck would the notion " empty " even apply to? don't start brain farting like wernie now. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Thursday, July 09, 2009 3:44 PM Re: Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:20 PM > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:01 PM > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:17 AM > > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Werner Woehr > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:59 AM > > > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Ah, Geo, > > > > > > > > Could you please explain what you think how Niz was seeing or using > > > > consciousness ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Geo wrote: > > > > > > > It is my pleasure - for the 87th time :>) > > > > > > > > To Nis consciousness is the first next manifestation, right bellow > > > > the > > > > ultimate (I must use words, friend...) > > > > Within that consciousness worlds are born and die. > > > > > > > > To K, consciousness is the part of the human mind intangled with the > > > > sense > > > > of centered observer - and the periphery related to it: me/you, > > > > inside/outside, my inner world/society. > > > > > > If there are no thoughts and no awareness, that's deep sleep -- deep > > > sleep > > > is a pretense of silence. The closest a mind can get to having the > > > Absolute > > > in its grasp is deep sleep, but it is merely one mode of operation of > > > the > > > brain -- dreaming and waking the other modes. But though the deep > > > sleep > > > process is relatively silent compared to the other modes, it is not a > > > state > > > of perfect quiescence, and a sufficiently adroit mind can grab that > > > sucker.....probably takes 50 years of meditation in the deep woods to > > > culture such a mind, but that mind, though almost cosmic, is still a > > > mind > > > with content abuzz. > > > > > > Transcending the three modes, a fourth mode can be wordified into > > > existence > > > as a concept: amness is the mother-mode of all modes -- the home of > > > all > > > modes, the godhead. But amness is pure mind, OM unmodulated, a dial > > > tone > > > waiting for a phone number to be entered, and since ego is now > > > attached > > > to > > > amness instead of a projection of amness, the ego shuts up and no > > > longer > > > is > > > found buzzing about its selfhood. While one is in samadhi, amness, > > > there > > > is > > > no ego to pretend it is the observer, and instead, ego can be said to > > > be > > > a > > > " person in waiting. " -- waiting for it's next incarnation as a > > > projection > > > of > > > amness. > > > > > > The deep sleeping mind is wide awake, ya see? It entertains its > > > version > > > of > > > " chemicals processing in a brain " that serve the brain as a metaphor > > > for -- > > > symbol of -- " nothing, nothingness, no thing just space/time waiting > > > for > > > a > > > thing " and on and on we can throw words around like this. The mind is > > > not > > > there unless there is an object of consciousness present -- they're a > > > yin/yang pair -- so the mind puts its radar on some poor unsuspecting > > > process of the brain and says, " You....from now on, when I put my > > > attention > > > on you, you're the Absolute. And I don't want to hear anything from > > > you > > > about your buzziness -- I'm going to be ignoring that on purpose, and > > > ignoring your buzz is easy because my mind hasn't practiced subtlety > > > enough > > > to see the state of deep sleep as a variant of the sound OM. " > > > > > > Talk about your tautologies. > > > > > > Real silence the brain cannot know. No matter how fine a net the > > > intellect > > > creates, there is no thing/butterfly to catch. There is no grasping of > > > the > > > ungraspable, the unburnable, the unwetable, the uncutable. > > > > > > > To K consc. is a much narrower > > > > definition. So to K there is the ultimate (he called it ground), > > > > > > The absolute > > > > > > > then the > > > > universal mind (that Nis called consciousness), > > > > > > amness - soul - cosmic ego - awareness -- pure being - all things > > > organism-ish > > > > > > > then the Mind of Mankind > > > > > > the ritam level -- the first emerging of a projection -- space and > > > time > > > separate -- the gunas begin to dance out of synch with each other but > > > they > > > keep one foot standing in samadhi -- they're still aware of the primal > > > buzz > > > of OM. This is where the gods reside. > > > > > > > and - only then - consciusness. > > > > > > individuality is peppered throughout space/time like Spring > > > stacattoing > > > flowers in April. That is: thoughts begin to flow -- each an > > > incarnation > > > that the ego attaches to instantly and says, " Yup, that's my-me-mine. " > > > > > > > So according to K nomeclature consc. is its > > > > content (me/you, center...) and when consc is emptied(is not) what > > > > you > > > > have > > > > is the ground seeing the mind of mankind. I am using fast words. > > > > > > Dang hard to control them thar words when they's spewing out yer > > > chute. > > > Bullriding time. I hate it when that bucker tosses me and there I am > > > with > > > a > > > sentence that I don't want to admit to having authored. > > > > > > Your last sentence is a powerful vision, eh? The Absolute + Amness > > > unsullied > > > by projection. Only after the individuality of amness is projected as > > > a > > > non-unity -- a specific state of the three gunas now out of unity -- > > > is > > > personhood restored. When one exits a state of samadhi/amness it > > > becomes > > > three-ish. Then, the person now incarnate, the mind entertains " other > > > sounds " that remind it of that state of samadhi for this " person's " > > > pleasure, but during samadhi there is only one thought: the sound OM. > > > After > > > samadhi the mind can pretend it had an observer of that samadhi during > > > that > > > samadhi, but this is merely slipping back into egoic projection - a > > > lie > > > told > > > so that the ego can pretend it is eternal when it HAD JUST BEEN turned > > > off > > > for a bit. Denial R us. > > > > > > When the Absolute is symbolized by its projection of amness, there is > > > no > > > sin > > > in equating the two. The Absolute cannot be caught red-handed in the > > > act > > > of > > > doingness. Yet there it is with a chocolate ring around it's mouth and > > > telling Mom that it didn't eat the fudge brownies. > > > > > > A human mind cannot tell the two apart -- the reflection in the mirror > > > seems > > > identical to its observer -- it cannot conceptually note any > > > differences > > > between the two. Of each it can be said: there's no ego, there's no > > > sound > > > because there's no ego to hear it, no thing is buzzing because there's > > > no > > > ego to take credit for it -- the Absolute is stuck with the bar tab, > > > ya > > > see? > > > If amness is buzzing OM, the only Identity that could take credit for > > > it > > > is > > > the Absolute, but the damned ego butts in and asserts a falsity -- > > > that > > > it > > > is the buzzer of the buzz. That's like an audience roaring with > > > approval > > > and > > > calling " Author, Author, Author " and the ego is some jerk who steps on > > > stage > > > and lets the audience worship it. What a twit, eh? > > > > > > And, 87th? Geo -- that's a world class lie. It is obvious that you've > > > written about this more than that. For me, this is about the > > > 2,343,587th > > > time I've written words about the above, and I'm still not bored. > > > That's > > > the > > > trap, ya see? Mother Divine has an infinity of baubles that can be > > > delved > > > into by the intellect ENDLESSLY, and one is orgasmed -- that is, > > > hypnotized > > > by bliss. That's amness' trump card. Bliss -- the ultimate drug that > > > amness > > > sells to every passerby. Mother Divine the dealer. Gotta love the > > > picture, > > > eh? > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > too fucking wordy. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Not this time.. I liked them. After all he got what I meant and now I > > > may > > > rest peacefully knowing I am not completely crazy...after all these > > > years.. > > > -ego- > > > > too much information. > > > > too fucking wordy. > > > > who cares? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > How many information do you need? Is not one enough? > > Variations on a theme.. > > -geo- > > i have no needs. > > variations on a theme are tiresome and tedious. > > i'm as nothing. > > it never varies.. > > it needs not anything. > > it never runs out. > > .b b.b. > > Unfortunately all variations are on the same theme...no way pall. > But dont worry....soon all will be over. LOL LOL LOL hmmm mmmm > m > -geo- what's your definition of soon? it's all over for everyone and everything in 2012. so the Mayas tell me so. they were pretty good bullshitters too. not as good as some freaks in here though. ..b b.b. Yes, thats what the " idea of death " does - wakes me up, and then death is not other then life. 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Thursday, July 09, 2009 3:42 PM Re: Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:16 PM > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > duveyoung > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:26 PM > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > too fucking wordy. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Not this time.. I liked them. After all he got what I meant and now I > > > may > > > rest peacefully knowing I am not completely crazy...after all these > > > years.. > > > -ego- > > > > Geo, > > > > edg: I'm still thinking you and I have a tussle about the definition of > > " ego. " I'm thinking it is but one of many processes of a brain, while > > you > > seem to think the whole body/mind system is the ego. Er, yes? > > > > geo> No. It is a process in the brain. What made you think I think > > otherwise? > > The body/mind system can go along pretty well without any conceptual > > sense > > of inner separate observer or entity. It is a kind of a " special " > > process > > in > > the brain...not just one of many alike though... > > > > edg: Although I think he was a trickster, Carlos Castenada, presented > > the > > concept " assemblage point " that seems to somewhat resonate with Ramana's > > concept of " heart. " Is that what you're getting at for how you see > > " ego? " > > > > geo> I know nothing, haven't read a single page of Ramana, sorry. > > So...ego > > is a sense of inner fixed observer separate from some outer universe. > > There > > is no such ego, in fact, but the body/mind behaves as if it had that > > center. > > I hope we cleared the missunderstanding. > > > > Now...about Castaneda. He seems to have been a pretty controversial guy > > but > > after some reasoning I came to the conclusion that he was a prick but he > > did > > not invent DJuan. It is all true. My reasoning goes this way: reading > > and > > listening to several interveiws, and things he said and wrote " as > > himself " > > show that he was really a kind of an ignorant. He just did not know what > > he > > was talking about. BUT...when you read DJs words (of course told by > > castaneda) they are absolutely filled to the brim with wisdom. So.... > > > > BTW....before I read your post I was thinking about DJ and realized why > > those old nagualist called IT eagle. NOT because of some color, or > > something > > like that..but because of the EYES!!! The eyes!!! It is by far the best > > seer beast those people knew!! It is the eeing!! This came to me right > > now- > > few minutes ago. > > > > Assemblage point, yes. We are humans, we are comfortable in this > > world....but....but...we can eventualy visit other worlds...although it > > is > > not the most natural thing to do. > > > > Nagualism - fascinating. > > -geo- > > -geo- > > somnolent too. > > .b b.b. > > Then use: death will end your somnolence soon - just wait a sec. > -ego- you've been smoking to much Don Juan. better settle back and just smoke some B.C. bud. it's available worldwide now. and it doesn't make you believe that Castaneda bullshit. it just makes it more fun to read. and that's the stoned cold truth. ..b b.b. Ahhh...I had to stop. Never thought I would - but had to. For some reason it started to give me unbeareable headakes. Started mildly....then got stronger..till they became so violent and scary that I just dont dare anymore. What can I do...... :>( Castaneda....nagualism....I like the smell of it. -ggg- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 9/7/2009 15:47:18 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Thursday, July 09, 2009 3:46 PM Re: Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > So according to K nomeclature consc. is its > content (me/you, center...) and when consc is emptied(is not) what you > have > is the ground seeing the mind of mankind. I am using fast words. > > geo> Why not? When the center is not anymore conceptualized/imagined as > something existing, consc as per Krishnamurti is empty. when something is no longer conceived or conceptualized.. where the fuck do you think a center could be? geo> I think? No...it is not. what the fuck would the notion " empty " even apply to? don't start brain farting like wernie now. geo> The human world is empty of a center. No consc. as per K and no center. What...? ..b b.b. avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 9/7/2009 15:51:27 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, July 09, 2009 3:44 PM > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:20 PM > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:01 PM > > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > roberibus111 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:17 AM > > > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Werner Woehr > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:59 AM > > > > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > Ah, Geo, > > > > > > > > > > Could you please explain what you think how Niz was seeing or using > > > > > consciousness ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Geo wrote: > > > > > > > > > It is my pleasure - for the 87th time :>) > > > > > > > > > > To Nis consciousness is the first next manifestation, right bellow > > > > > the > > > > > ultimate (I must use words, friend...) > > > > > Within that consciousness worlds are born and die. > > > > > > > > > > To K, consciousness is the part of the human mind intangled with the > > > > > sense > > > > > of centered observer - and the periphery related to it: me/you, > > > > > inside/outside, my inner world/society. > > > > > > > > If there are no thoughts and no awareness, that's deep sleep -- deep > > > > sleep > > > > is a pretense of silence. The closest a mind can get to having the > > > > Absolute > > > > in its grasp is deep sleep, but it is merely one mode of operation of > > > > the > > > > brain -- dreaming and waking the other modes. But though the deep > > > > sleep > > > > process is relatively silent compared to the other modes, it is not a > > > > state > > > > of perfect quiescence, and a sufficiently adroit mind can grab that > > > > sucker.....probably takes 50 years of meditation in the deep woods to > > > > culture such a mind, but that mind, though almost cosmic, is still a > > > > mind > > > > with content abuzz. > > > > > > > > Transcending the three modes, a fourth mode can be wordified into > > > > existence > > > > as a concept: amness is the mother-mode of all modes -- the home of > > > > all > > > > modes, the godhead. But amness is pure mind, OM unmodulated, a dial > > > > tone > > > > waiting for a phone number to be entered, and since ego is now > > > > attached > > > > to > > > > amness instead of a projection of amness, the ego shuts up and no > > > > longer > > > > is > > > > found buzzing about its selfhood. While one is in samadhi, amness, > > > > there > > > > is > > > > no ego to pretend it is the observer, and instead, ego can be said to > > > > be > > > > a > > > > " person in waiting. " -- waiting for it's next incarnation as a > > > > projection > > > > of > > > > amness. > > > > > > > > The deep sleeping mind is wide awake, ya see? It entertains its > > > > version > > > > of > > > > " chemicals processing in a brain " that serve the brain as a metaphor > > > > for -- > > > > symbol of -- " nothing, nothingness, no thing just space/time waiting > > > > for > > > > a > > > > thing " and on and on we can throw words around like this. The mind is > > > > not > > > > there unless there is an object of consciousness present -- they're a > > > > yin/yang pair -- so the mind puts its radar on some poor unsuspecting > > > > process of the brain and says, " You....from now on, when I put my > > > > attention > > > > on you, you're the Absolute. And I don't want to hear anything from > > > > you > > > > about your buzziness -- I'm going to be ignoring that on purpose, and > > > > ignoring your buzz is easy because my mind hasn't practiced subtlety > > > > enough > > > > to see the state of deep sleep as a variant of the sound OM. " > > > > > > > > Talk about your tautologies. > > > > > > > > Real silence the brain cannot know. No matter how fine a net the > > > > intellect > > > > creates, there is no thing/butterfly to catch. There is no grasping of > > > > the > > > > ungraspable, the unburnable, the unwetable, the uncutable. > > > > > > > > > To K consc. is a much narrower > > > > > definition. So to K there is the ultimate (he called it ground), > > > > > > > > The absolute > > > > > > > > > then the > > > > > universal mind (that Nis called consciousness), > > > > > > > > amness - soul - cosmic ego - awareness -- pure being - all things > > > > organism-ish > > > > > > > > > then the Mind of Mankind > > > > > > > > the ritam level -- the first emerging of a projection -- space and > > > > time > > > > separate -- the gunas begin to dance out of synch with each other but > > > > they > > > > keep one foot standing in samadhi -- they're still aware of the primal > > > > buzz > > > > of OM. This is where the gods reside. > > > > > > > > > and - only then - consciusness. > > > > > > > > individuality is peppered throughout space/time like Spring > > > > stacattoing > > > > flowers in April. That is: thoughts begin to flow -- each an > > > > incarnation > > > > that the ego attaches to instantly and says, " Yup, that's my-me-mine. " > > > > > > > > > So according to K nomeclature consc. is its > > > > > content (me/you, center...) and when consc is emptied(is not) what > > > > > you > > > > > have > > > > > is the ground seeing the mind of mankind. I am using fast words. > > > > > > > > Dang hard to control them thar words when they's spewing out yer > > > > chute. > > > > Bullriding time. I hate it when that bucker tosses me and there I am > > > > with > > > > a > > > > sentence that I don't want to admit to having authored. > > > > > > > > Your last sentence is a powerful vision, eh? The Absolute + Amness > > > > unsullied > > > > by projection. Only after the individuality of amness is projected as > > > > a > > > > non-unity -- a specific state of the three gunas now out of unity -- > > > > is > > > > personhood restored. When one exits a state of samadhi/amness it > > > > becomes > > > > three-ish. Then, the person now incarnate, the mind entertains " other > > > > sounds " that remind it of that state of samadhi for this " person's " > > > > pleasure, but during samadhi there is only one thought: the sound OM. > > > > After > > > > samadhi the mind can pretend it had an observer of that samadhi during > > > > that > > > > samadhi, but this is merely slipping back into egoic projection - a > > > > lie > > > > told > > > > so that the ego can pretend it is eternal when it HAD JUST BEEN turned > > > > off > > > > for a bit. Denial R us. > > > > > > > > When the Absolute is symbolized by its projection of amness, there is > > > > no > > > > sin > > > > in equating the two. The Absolute cannot be caught red-handed in the > > > > act > > > > of > > > > doingness. Yet there it is with a chocolate ring around it's mouth and > > > > telling Mom that it didn't eat the fudge brownies. > > > > > > > > A human mind cannot tell the two apart -- the reflection in the mirror > > > > seems > > > > identical to its observer -- it cannot conceptually note any > > > > differences > > > > between the two. Of each it can be said: there's no ego, there's no > > > > sound > > > > because there's no ego to hear it, no thing is buzzing because there's > > > > no > > > > ego to take credit for it -- the Absolute is stuck with the bar tab, > > > > ya > > > > see? > > > > If amness is buzzing OM, the only Identity that could take credit for > > > > it > > > > is > > > > the Absolute, but the damned ego butts in and asserts a falsity -- > > > > that > > > > it > > > > is the buzzer of the buzz. That's like an audience roaring with > > > > approval > > > > and > > > > calling " Author, Author, Author " and the ego is some jerk who steps on > > > > stage > > > > and lets the audience worship it. What a twit, eh? > > > > > > > > And, 87th? Geo -- that's a world class lie. It is obvious that you've > > > > written about this more than that. For me, this is about the > > > > 2,343,587th > > > > time I've written words about the above, and I'm still not bored. > > > > That's > > > > the > > > > trap, ya see? Mother Divine has an infinity of baubles that can be > > > > delved > > > > into by the intellect ENDLESSLY, and one is orgasmed -- that is, > > > > hypnotized > > > > by bliss. That's amness' trump card. Bliss -- the ultimate drug that > > > > amness > > > > sells to every passerby. Mother Divine the dealer. Gotta love the > > > > picture, > > > > eh? > > > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > too fucking wordy. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > Not this time.. I liked them. After all he got what I meant and now I > > > > may > > > > rest peacefully knowing I am not completely crazy...after all these > > > > years.. > > > > -ego- > > > > > > too much information. > > > > > > too fucking wordy. > > > > > > who cares? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > How many information do you need? Is not one enough? > > > Variations on a theme.. > > > -geo- > > > > i have no needs. > > > > variations on a theme are tiresome and tedious. > > > > i'm as nothing. > > > > it never varies.. > > > > it needs not anything. > > > > it never runs out. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Unfortunately all variations are on the same theme...no way pall. > > But dont worry....soon all will be over. LOL LOL LOL hmmm mmmm > > m > > -geo- > > what's your definition of soon? > > it's all over for everyone and everything in 2012. > > so the Mayas tell me so. > > they were pretty good bullshitters too. > > not as good as some freaks in here though. > > .b b.b. > > Yes, thats what the " idea of death " does - wakes me up, and then death is > not other then life. But then boredom is gone...eh? > -ego- well if you say so. personally i don't know. i'm not dead...yeti yeti anyway. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, July 09, 2009 3:46 PM > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > So according to K nomeclature consc. is its > > content (me/you, center...) and when consc is emptied(is not) what you > > have > > is the ground seeing the mind of mankind. I am using fast words. > > > > geo> Why not? When the center is not anymore conceptualized/imagined as > > something existing, consc as per Krishnamurti is empty. > > when something is no longer conceived or conceptualized.. > > where the fuck do you think a center could be? > > geo> I think? No...it is not. > > what the fuck would the notion " empty " even apply to? > > don't start brain farting like wernie now. > > geo> The human world is empty of a center. No consc. as per K and no center. > What...? > > .b b.b. what the fuck are you trying to say? well..you haven't. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, July 09, 2009 3:42 PM > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:16 PM > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > duveyoung > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:26 PM > > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > too fucking wordy. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > Not this time.. I liked them. After all he got what I meant and now I > > > > may > > > > rest peacefully knowing I am not completely crazy...after all these > > > > years.. > > > > -ego- > > > > > > Geo, > > > > > > edg: I'm still thinking you and I have a tussle about the definition of > > > " ego. " I'm thinking it is but one of many processes of a brain, while > > > you > > > seem to think the whole body/mind system is the ego. Er, yes? > > > > > > geo> No. It is a process in the brain. What made you think I think > > > otherwise? > > > The body/mind system can go along pretty well without any conceptual > > > sense > > > of inner separate observer or entity. It is a kind of a " special " > > > process > > > in > > > the brain...not just one of many alike though... > > > > > > edg: Although I think he was a trickster, Carlos Castenada, presented > > > the > > > concept " assemblage point " that seems to somewhat resonate with Ramana's > > > concept of " heart. " Is that what you're getting at for how you see > > > " ego? " > > > > > > geo> I know nothing, haven't read a single page of Ramana, sorry. > > > So...ego > > > is a sense of inner fixed observer separate from some outer universe. > > > There > > > is no such ego, in fact, but the body/mind behaves as if it had that > > > center. > > > I hope we cleared the missunderstanding. > > > > > > Now...about Castaneda. He seems to have been a pretty controversial guy > > > but > > > after some reasoning I came to the conclusion that he was a prick but he > > > did > > > not invent DJuan. It is all true. My reasoning goes this way: reading > > > and > > > listening to several interveiws, and things he said and wrote " as > > > himself " > > > show that he was really a kind of an ignorant. He just did not know what > > > he > > > was talking about. BUT...when you read DJs words (of course told by > > > castaneda) they are absolutely filled to the brim with wisdom. So.... > > > > > > BTW....before I read your post I was thinking about DJ and realized why > > > those old nagualist called IT eagle. NOT because of some color, or > > > something > > > like that..but because of the EYES!!! The eyes!!! It is by far the best > > > seer beast those people knew!! It is the eeing!! This came to me right > > > now- > > > few minutes ago. > > > > > > Assemblage point, yes. We are humans, we are comfortable in this > > > world....but....but...we can eventualy visit other worlds...although it > > > is > > > not the most natural thing to do. > > > > > > Nagualism - fascinating. > > > -geo- > > > -geo- > > > > somnolent too. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Then use: death will end your somnolence soon - just wait a sec. > > -ego- > > you've been smoking to much Don Juan. > > better settle back and just smoke some B.C. bud. > > it's available worldwide now. > > and it doesn't make you believe that Castaneda bullshit. > > it just makes it more fun to read. > > and that's the stoned cold truth. > > .b b.b. > > Ahhh...I had to stop. Never thought I would - but had to. For some reason it > started to give me unbeareable headakes. Started mildly....then got > stronger..till they became so violent and scary that I just dont dare > anymore. What can I do...... :>( > > Castaneda....nagualism....I like the smell of it. > -ggg- if castaneda doesn't give you a headache.. it may be that you have no head. smoke the B.C. and it won't matter. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:17 PM Re: Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, July 09, 2009 3:42 PM > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:16 PM > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > duveyoung > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:26 PM > > > Re: Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > too fucking wordy. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > Not this time.. I liked them. After all he got what I meant and now > > > > I > > > > may > > > > rest peacefully knowing I am not completely crazy...after all these > > > > years.. > > > > -ego- > > > > > > Geo, > > > > > > edg: I'm still thinking you and I have a tussle about the definition > > > of > > > " ego. " I'm thinking it is but one of many processes of a brain, while > > > you > > > seem to think the whole body/mind system is the ego. Er, yes? > > > > > > geo> No. It is a process in the brain. What made you think I think > > > otherwise? > > > The body/mind system can go along pretty well without any conceptual > > > sense > > > of inner separate observer or entity. It is a kind of a " special " > > > process > > > in > > > the brain...not just one of many alike though... > > > > > > edg: Although I think he was a trickster, Carlos Castenada, presented > > > the > > > concept " assemblage point " that seems to somewhat resonate with > > > Ramana's > > > concept of " heart. " Is that what you're getting at for how you see > > > " ego? " > > > > > > geo> I know nothing, haven't read a single page of Ramana, sorry. > > > So...ego > > > is a sense of inner fixed observer separate from some outer universe. > > > There > > > is no such ego, in fact, but the body/mind behaves as if it had that > > > center. > > > I hope we cleared the missunderstanding. > > > > > > Now...about Castaneda. He seems to have been a pretty controversial > > > guy > > > but > > > after some reasoning I came to the conclusion that he was a prick but > > > he > > > did > > > not invent DJuan. It is all true. My reasoning goes this way: reading > > > and > > > listening to several interveiws, and things he said and wrote " as > > > himself " > > > show that he was really a kind of an ignorant. He just did not know > > > what > > > he > > > was talking about. BUT...when you read DJs words (of course told by > > > castaneda) they are absolutely filled to the brim with wisdom. So.... > > > > > > BTW....before I read your post I was thinking about DJ and realized > > > why > > > those old nagualist called IT eagle. NOT because of some color, or > > > something > > > like that..but because of the EYES!!! The eyes!!! It is by far the > > > best > > > seer beast those people knew!! It is the eeing!! This came to me right > > > now- > > > few minutes ago. > > > > > > Assemblage point, yes. We are humans, we are comfortable in this > > > world....but....but...we can eventualy visit other worlds...although > > > it > > > is > > > not the most natural thing to do. > > > > > > Nagualism - fascinating. > > > -geo- > > > -geo- > > > > somnolent too. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Then use: death will end your somnolence soon - just wait a sec. > > -ego- > > you've been smoking to much Don Juan. > > better settle back and just smoke some B.C. bud. > > it's available worldwide now. > > and it doesn't make you believe that Castaneda bullshit. > > it just makes it more fun to read. > > and that's the stoned cold truth. > > .b b.b. > > Ahhh...I had to stop. Never thought I would - but had to. For some reason > it > started to give me unbeareable headakes. Started mildly....then got > stronger..till they became so violent and scary that I just dont dare > anymore. What can I do...... :>( > > Castaneda....nagualism....I like the smell of it. > -ggg- if castaneda doesn't give you a headache.. it may be that you have no head. smoke the B.C. and it won't matter. ..b b.b. I know BS..but what is BC? -geg- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
