Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > yes. > > > > the talking is just a current of the water > > > > the water is not wet to itself > > > > it has no quality whatsoever > > How in the heck would the water 'know' it has no quality whatsoever? > > What to compare to, to derive 'no quality'? > > 'No quality' is a lack of quality. Does this water lack something? It is not-knowing. Which is neither knowing nor not knowing. Not a lack of anything. Because there is no comparison, there is no quality. It is alive as this unknown, not reflecting back on itself to give itself form, or knowledge, or memory. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Friday, July 03, 2009 1:13 PM Re: Free of Consciousness - From Nis. Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, July 03, 2009 12:40 PM > > Re: Free of Consciousness - From Nis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Tim G. > > > Nisargadatta > > > Friday, July 03, 2009 12:20 PM > > > Re: Free of Consciousness - From Nis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Water ain't talkin'. > > > > -t- > > > > Water is not talking? Who is talking then? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Always, the 'other' is asked. > > > > > > So, the question keeps coming up. > > > -t- > > > > > > The question is not to another. What other is there who can talk? > > > -geo- > > > > When one is looking for an answer, and not just sitting with the > > question, > > it's to another. > > -t- > > Yes. So who othere is there that can talk? > > -ego- > > Sorry, there's just no way a perceived 'someone else' can answer this. > > Any answer one gets simply raises the question again. Nisargadatta: " If in the state of witnessing you ask yourself: 'Who am I?', the answer comes at once, though it is wordless and silent. Cease to be the object and become the subject of all that happens; once having turned within, you will find yourself beyond the subject. When you have found yourself, you will find that you are also beyond the object, that both the subject and the object exist in you, but you are neither. " geo> So, water talks. avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 3/7/2009 13:33:41 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Friday, July 03, 2009 1:17 PM Re: Free of Consciousness - From Nis. Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Friday, July 03, 2009 12:43 PM > Re: Free of Consciousness - From Nis. > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > Water is not talking? Who is talking then? > > > -geo- > > > > Always, the 'other' is asked. > > > > So, the question keeps coming up. > > -t- > > > > The question is not to another. What other is there who can talk? > > -geo- > > See? > > The same question just came up, again. > -t- > > Why are you saying this again? > -geo- Give it up. Self-enquiry is *not* other-enquiry, whether there are 'no others' or not. Asking others questions that only oneself can answer is fruitless. -t- That is why water is the talking -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 3/7/2009 13:33:41 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Nisargadatta: > > " If in the state of witnessing you ask yourself: 'Who am I?', the answer > comes at once, though it is wordless and silent. Cease to be the object and > become the subject of all that happens; once having turned within, you will > find yourself beyond the subject. When you have found yourself, you will > find that you are also beyond the object, that both the subject and the > object exist in you, but you are neither. " > > geo> So, water talks. Talks, and answers. Which means it hasn't said or heard a word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > It is alive as this unknown, not reflecting back on itself to give > itself form, or knowledge, or memory. > > - D - Ain't nothin' can 'reflect back on itself'... so, it never did reflect back on itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Always, the 'other' is asked. So, the question keeps coming up. -t- When geo asks a question, he is not asking a tim out there to show " me " the way. I am not expecting tim out there to give me something, although " learning " is not an excuded possibility. Question is an invitation to look. I look " here " and you should look " there " . So you don have to keep repeating this " dont ask another " thing over and over again because it invites geo to say: .....well...then do it. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 - Geovani Nisargadatta Friday, July 03, 2009 3:45 PM Re: Free of Consciousness - From Nis. Always, the 'other' is asked. So, the question keeps coming up. -t- When geo asks a question, he is not asking a tim out there to show " me " the way. I am not expecting tim out there to give me something, although " learning " is not an excuded possibility. Question is an invitation to look. I look " here " and you should look " there " . So you don have to keep repeating this " dont ask another " thing over and over again because it invites geo to say: ....well...then do it. The reason for putting it in form of a question instead of statements like " do this...do that...dont do this or that " is that it usually those call for a reaction. There is only one " place " in this universe and i know where it is.... so no need to keep repeating that stuff. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor wrote: > > Always, the 'other' is asked. > So, the question keeps coming up. > -t- > > When geo asks a question, he is not asking a tim out there to show " me " the way. I am not expecting tim out there to give me something, although " learning " is not an excuded possibility. Question is an invitation to look. I look " here " and you should look " there " . So you don have to keep repeating this " dont ask another " thing over and over again because it invites geo to say: .....well...then do it. > -geo- Mmm kay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > The reason for putting it in form of a question instead of statements like > " do this...do that...dont do this or that " is that it usually those call > for a reaction. Flat statements aren't perceived here as being dictated to -- for whatever it's worth. In fact, being asked a question is like being dictated to. Something is being demanded. Flat statements are just that -- statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > The reason for putting it in form of a question instead of statements like > > " do this...do that...dont do this or that " is that it usually those call > > for a reaction. > > Flat statements aren't perceived here as being dictated to -- for whatever it's worth. > > In fact, being asked a question is like being dictated to. Something is being demanded. > > Flat statements are just that -- statements. But, of course, speak the way ya like. The above is for informational/curiosity purposes only ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > It is alive as this unknown, not reflecting back on itself to give > > itself form, or knowledge, or memory. > > > > - D - > > Ain't nothin' can 'reflect back on itself'... so, it never did reflect back on itself. conceptuality reflects back on conceptuality and it seems very convincing until it doesn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It is alive as this unknown, not reflecting back on itself to give > > > itself form, or knowledge, or memory. > > > > > > - D - > > > > Ain't nothin' can 'reflect back on itself'... so, it never did reflect back on itself. > > conceptuality reflects back on conceptuality > > and it seems very convincing > > until it doesn't Conceptuality reflects back on conceptuality, even with the assumption of this writing here 'reflecting back' on some previous writing, as in the writing above this writing. In truth, this is new writing, addressing 'now', Not anything above it. The words emit from 'nowness', and do not address anything or anyone at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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