Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 If you understand shadows, you understand Is, and Is Not. This parable of shadows, says it all, but you'll have to read between the lines, and jump into a chasm that neither begins, nor ends. And if you do jump, you'll understand counterintuitive nondual sayings such as no cause, no doer, nothing ever happened, and so for. Let's begin with the childish game of the shadow of your hand on a wall. You know that a shadow is just the absence of light. Does an absence exist? Of course, but how? Can an absence be present? Yes, an absence can be present by being the presence of an absence, and you can make a rabbit out of an absence, and a story of wolves eating rabbits, and so fore. Absence is what makes presence noticeable. An uninterrupted monotone goes unnoticed soon. Consciousness is a trick of now you see it, now you don't. Consciousness can't be conscious without change. So things exist (are present to consciousness) because they are not continuous. Time is the game of now you see it, now you don't. So we can say, things exist, and do not, and they neither exist, nor they don't. Causes exist and they don't. We don't decide, but there are choices, and shit happens, but no thing happened at all. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > If you understand shadows, you understand > Is, and Is Not. This parable of shadows, > says it all, but you'll have to read between > the lines, and jump into a chasm that neither > begins, nor ends. And if you do jump, you'll > understand counterintuitive nondual sayings > such as no cause, no doer, nothing ever happened, > and so for. > > Let's begin with the childish game of the shadow > of your hand on a wall. You know that a shadow is > just the absence of light. Does an absence exist? > Of course, but how? Can an absence be present? Yes, > an absence can be present by being the presence of > an absence, and you can make a rabbit out of an absence, > and a story of wolves eating rabbits, and so fore. > > Absence is what makes presence noticeable. An > uninterrupted monotone goes unnoticed soon. > Consciousness is a trick of now you see it, now you > don't. Consciousness can't be conscious without > change. Let me add to this, Pete, Data from sensory memory gets shifted ino the short term memory where it gets proecesed by comparing and associating it with evenetual already existing similar data. The result will get made comnscious and then shifted into the long term memory. When getting shifed into the long term memory the fresh and actual data gets weaker and weaker til it totally faded away. And so it is understandable that when no longer any new data does arrive then also no longer any data can get made conscious. Therefore what we call consciousness is just a constant flow of contents or data as long as one moves through life which one also realizes as the " flow of life " . Therefore it is false to say that consciousness is a trick of now you see it, now you don't see it. The " flow of life " flowes as it flowes. Sometines dull and sometimes bright and vivid. Werner > > So things exist (are present to consciousness) > because they are not continuous. Time is the > game of now you see it, now you don't. > > So we can say, things exist, and do not, and they > neither exist, nor they don't. Causes exist > and they don't. We don't decide, but there are > choices, and shit happens, but no thing happened > at all. > > Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > If you understand shadows, you understand > > Is, and Is Not. This parable of shadows, > > says it all, but you'll have to read between > > the lines, and jump into a chasm that neither > > begins, nor ends. And if you do jump, you'll > > understand counterintuitive nondual sayings > > such as no cause, no doer, nothing ever happened, > > and so for. > > > > Let's begin with the childish game of the shadow > > of your hand on a wall. You know that a shadow is > > just the absence of light. Does an absence exist? > > Of course, but how? Can an absence be present? Yes, > > an absence can be present by being the presence of > > an absence, and you can make a rabbit out of an absence, > > and a story of wolves eating rabbits, and so fore. > > > > Absence is what makes presence noticeable. An > > uninterrupted monotone goes unnoticed soon. > > Consciousness is a trick of now you see it, now you > > don't. Consciousness can't be conscious without > > change. whaaaaaaaaaaaat the fuck is this shit below? (Werner) > Let me add to this, Pete, > > Data from sensory memory gets shifted ino the short term memory where it gets proecesed by comparing and associating it with evenetual already existing similar data. (the .b) " eventual..already existing " ??? is it me? (Wernermeister) >The result will get made comnscious and then shifted into the long term memory. When getting shifed into the long term memory the fresh and actual data gets weaker and weaker til it totally faded away. (the .b .b b.meister) now what in hell is that supposed to mean? werner is trying to be shifty here. ok wernie..who or what is the shifter? and what the shift is it shifting all about for? (Wonder werner) > > And so it is understandable that when no longer any new data does arrive then also no longer any data can get made conscious. > > Therefore what we call consciousness is just a constant flow of contents or data as long as one moves through life which one also realizes as the " flow of life " . > > Therefore it is false to say that consciousness is a trick of now you see it, now you don't see it. > > The " flow of life " flowes as it flowes. Sometines dull and sometimes bright and vivid. > > Werner (.b b.b.) i'm sorry werner but that one about tops the cake. you've made one of the sorriest ass fucking diatribes on reality. werner don't try. it's not vivid at all. ..b b.b. > > So things exist (are present to consciousness) > > because they are not continuous. Time is the > > game of now you see it, now you don't. > > > > So we can say, things exist, and do not, and they > > neither exist, nor they don't. Causes exist > > and they don't. We don't decide, but there are > > choices, and shit happens, but no thing happened > > at all. > > > > Pete > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 > > > > >B: whaaaaaaaaaaaat the fuck is this shit below? > > (Werner: > > Let me add to this, Pete, > > > > > > (.b b.b.) > > i'm sorry werner but that one about tops the cake. > > you've made one of the sorriest ass fucking diatribes on reality. > > werner don't try. P: Is Werner responding to your medication, Bob? You have been shoving the bitter pill down his throat for some time. He is not even gaging. maybe is time for a new prescription. Werner needs to translate everything into his own words. Lot's of people do that until they see that doesn't change a thing, and that's exactly what they want. They feel safe with what they understand, and they are protecting it from change, so they must translate any new input to that same old pat phrases they love. > > it's not vivid at all. > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > So things exist (are present to consciousness) > > > because they are not continuous. Time is the > > > game of now you see it, now you don't. > > > > > > So we can say, things exist, and do not, and they > > > neither exist, nor they don't. Causes exist > > > and they don't. We don't decide, but there are > > > choices, and shit happens, but no thing happened > > > at all. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >B: whaaaaaaaaaaaat the fuck is this shit below? > > > > (Werner: > > > Let me add to this, Pete, > > > > > > > > > > > (.b b.b.) > > > > i'm sorry werner but that one about tops the cake. > > > > you've made one of the sorriest ass fucking diatribes on reality. > > > > werner don't try. > > P: Is Werner responding to your medication, Bob? > You have been shoving the bitter pill down his > throat for some time. He is not even gaging. > maybe is time for a new prescription. > > Werner needs to translate everything into his > own words. Lot's of people do that until they > see that doesn't change a thing, and that's > exactly what they want. They feel safe with > what they understand, and they are protecting > it from change, so they must translate any > new input to that same old pat phrases they love. > > > > it's not vivid at all. > > > > .b b.b. no there is no response yet from my medication. and i've got damn good snake oil. but in order for it to perform it's miracles.. the fucking recipient has to realize he's a snake and not a saint. there's a couple of these unfortunates here. i can do no more for them. but i will continue just for the hell of it. ..b b.b. > > > > So things exist (are present to consciousness) > > > > because they are not continuous. Time is the > > > > game of now you see it, now you don't. > > > > > > > > So we can say, things exist, and do not, and they > > > > neither exist, nor they don't. Causes exist > > > > and they don't. We don't decide, but there are > > > > choices, and shit happens, but no thing happened > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > no there is no response yet from my medication. > > and i've got damn good snake oil. > > but in order for it to perform it's miracles.. > > the fucking recipient has to realize he's a snake and not a saint. > > there's a couple of these unfortunates here. > > i can do no more for them. > > but i will continue just for the hell of it. > > .b b.b. .... if hell is what turns ya on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > no there is no response yet from my medication. > > > > and i've got damn good snake oil. > > > > but in order for it to perform it's miracles.. > > > > the fucking recipient has to realize he's a snake and not a saint. > > > > there's a couple of these unfortunates here. > > > > i can do no more for them. > > > > but i will continue just for the hell of it. > > > > .b b.b. > > ... if hell is what turns ya on. coochie coocie coo! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >B: whaaaaaaaaaaaat the fuck is this shit below? > > > > > > (Werner: > > > > Let me add to this, Pete, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (.b b.b.) > > > > > > i'm sorry werner but that one about tops the cake. > > > > > > you've made one of the sorriest ass fucking diatribes on reality. > > > > > > werner don't try. > > > > P: Is Werner responding to your medication, Bob? > > You have been shoving the bitter pill down his > > throat for some time. He is not even gaging. > > maybe is time for a new prescription. > > > > Werner needs to translate everything into his > > own words. Lot's of people do that until they > > see that doesn't change a thing, and that's > > exactly what they want. They feel safe with > > what they understand, and they are protecting > > it from change, so they must translate any > > new input to that same old pat phrases they love. > > > > > > it's not vivid at all. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > no there is no response yet from my medication. > > and i've got damn good snake oil. > > but in order for it to perform it's miracles.. > > the fucking recipient has to realize he's a snake and not a saint. > > there's a couple of these unfortunates here. > > i can do no more for them. > > but i will continue just for the hell of it. > > .b b.b. > yes, " you " continue. - d - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > no there is no response yet from my medication. > > > > and i've got damn good snake oil. > > > > but in order for it to perform it's miracles.. > > > > the fucking recipient has to realize he's a snake and not a saint. > > > > there's a couple of these unfortunates here. > > > > i can do no more for them. > > > > but i will continue just for the hell of it. > > > > .b b.b. > > ... if hell is what turns ya on. very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >B: whaaaaaaaaaaaat the fuck is this shit below? > > > > > > > > (Werner: > > > > > Let me add to this, Pete, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (.b b.b.) > > > > > > > > i'm sorry werner but that one about tops the cake. > > > > > > > > you've made one of the sorriest ass fucking diatribes on reality. > > > > > > > > werner don't try. > > > > > > P: Is Werner responding to your medication, Bob? > > > You have been shoving the bitter pill down his > > > throat for some time. He is not even gaging. > > > maybe is time for a new prescription. > > > > > > Werner needs to translate everything into his > > > own words. Lot's of people do that until they > > > see that doesn't change a thing, and that's > > > exactly what they want. They feel safe with > > > what they understand, and they are protecting > > > it from change, so they must translate any > > > new input to that same old pat phrases they love. > > > > > > > > it's not vivid at all. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no there is no response yet from my medication. > > > > and i've got damn good snake oil. > > > > but in order for it to perform it's miracles.. > > > > the fucking recipient has to realize he's a snake and not a saint. > > > > there's a couple of these unfortunates here. > > > > i can do no more for them. > > > > but i will continue just for the hell of it. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > yes, " you " continue. > > - d - that's what it says. " you " asked. what a weird creep. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >B: whaaaaaaaaaaaat the fuck is this shit below? > > > > (Werner: > > > Let me add to this, Pete, > > > > > > > > > > > (.b b.b.) > > > > i'm sorry werner but that one about tops the cake. > > > > you've made one of the sorriest ass fucking diatribes on reality. > > > > werner don't try. > > P: Is Werner responding to your medication, Bob? > You have been shoving the bitter pill down his > throat for some time. He is not even gaging. > maybe is time for a new prescription. What perscription would you suggest, Pete ? Eventually a cloning pill which I swallow and, how wonderful, I got a second Pete ? Ok, I think it would be nice if there were more people similar like you on this earth, Pete, but on the other hand some contrasting posts like mine won't be that dangerous to have look for stronger pills to finaly make me smell and sound like you or Bob. Werner > > Werner needs to translate everything into his > own words. Lot's of people do that until they > see that doesn't change a thing, and that's > exactly what they want. They feel safe with > what they understand, and they are protecting > it from change, so they must translate any > new input to that same old pat phrases they love. > > > > it's not vivid at all. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So things exist (are present to consciousness) > > > > because they are not continuous. Time is the > > > > game of now you see it, now you don't. > > > > > > > > So we can say, things exist, and do not, and they > > > > neither exist, nor they don't. Causes exist > > > > and they don't. We don't decide, but there are > > > > choices, and shit happens, but no thing happened > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >B: whaaaaaaaaaaaat the fuck is this shit below? > > > > > > > > > > (Werner: > > > > > > Let me add to this, Pete, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (.b b.b.) > > > > > > > > > > i'm sorry werner but that one about tops the cake. > > > > > > > > > > you've made one of the sorriest ass fucking diatribes on reality. > > > > > > > > > > werner don't try. > > > > > > > > P: Is Werner responding to your medication, Bob? > > > > You have been shoving the bitter pill down his > > > > throat for some time. He is not even gaging. > > > > maybe is time for a new prescription. > > > > > > > > Werner needs to translate everything into his > > > > own words. Lot's of people do that until they > > > > see that doesn't change a thing, and that's > > > > exactly what they want. They feel safe with > > > > what they understand, and they are protecting > > > > it from change, so they must translate any > > > > new input to that same old pat phrases they love. > > > > > > > > > > it's not vivid at all. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no there is no response yet from my medication. > > > > > > and i've got damn good snake oil. > > > > > > but in order for it to perform it's miracles.. > > > > > > the fucking recipient has to realize he's a snake and not a saint. > > > > > > there's a couple of these unfortunates here. > > > > > > i can do no more for them. > > > > > > but i will continue just for the hell of it. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > yes, " you " continue. > > > > - d - > > > that's what it says. > > " you " asked. > > what a weird creep. > > .b b.b. that's what it says. but you don't. nor your weirdness nor creepiness. - d - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >B: whaaaaaaaaaaaat the fuck is this shit below? > > > > > > (Werner: > > > > Let me add to this, Pete, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (.b b.b.) > > > > > > i'm sorry werner but that one about tops the cake. > > > > > > you've made one of the sorriest ass fucking diatribes on reality. > > > > > > werner don't try. > > > > P: Is Werner responding to your medication, Bob? > > You have been shoving the bitter pill down his > > throat for some time. He is not even gaging. > > maybe is time for a new prescription. > > > What perscription would you suggest, Pete ? > > Eventually a cloning pill which I swallow and, how wonderful, I got a second Pete ? > > Ok, I think it would be nice if there were more people similar like you on this earth, Pete, but on the other hand some contrasting posts like mine won't be that dangerous to have look for stronger pills to finaly make me smell and sound like you or Bob. > > > > Werner i dunno Pete.. if you can understand him.. all the more power to you. i can't ever make out what the fuck he's on about all the time. ..b b.b. > > Werner needs to translate everything into his > > own words. Lot's of people do that until they > > see that doesn't change a thing, and that's > > exactly what they want. They feel safe with > > what they understand, and they are protecting > > it from change, so they must translate any > > new input to that same old pat phrases they love. > > > > > > it's not vivid at all. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So things exist (are present to consciousness) > > > > > because they are not continuous. Time is the > > > > > game of now you see it, now you don't. > > > > > > > > > > So we can say, things exist, and do not, and they > > > > > neither exist, nor they don't. Causes exist > > > > > and they don't. We don't decide, but there are > > > > > choices, and shit happens, but no thing happened > > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >B: whaaaaaaaaaaaat the fuck is this shit below? > > > > > > > > > > > > (Werner: > > > > > > > Let me add to this, Pete, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (.b b.b.) > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm sorry werner but that one about tops the cake. > > > > > > > > > > > > you've made one of the sorriest ass fucking diatribes on reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > werner don't try. > > > > > > > > > > P: Is Werner responding to your medication, Bob? > > > > > You have been shoving the bitter pill down his > > > > > throat for some time. He is not even gaging. > > > > > maybe is time for a new prescription. > > > > > > > > > > Werner needs to translate everything into his > > > > > own words. Lot's of people do that until they > > > > > see that doesn't change a thing, and that's > > > > > exactly what they want. They feel safe with > > > > > what they understand, and they are protecting > > > > > it from change, so they must translate any > > > > > new input to that same old pat phrases they love. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not vivid at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no there is no response yet from my medication. > > > > > > > > and i've got damn good snake oil. > > > > > > > > but in order for it to perform it's miracles.. > > > > > > > > the fucking recipient has to realize he's a snake and not a saint. > > > > > > > > there's a couple of these unfortunates here. > > > > > > > > i can do no more for them. > > > > > > > > but i will continue just for the hell of it. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > yes, " you " continue. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > that's what it says. > > > > " you " asked. > > > > what a weird creep. > > > > .b b.b. > > that's what it says. > > but you don't. > > nor your weirdness nor creepiness. > > - d - s'cuse me? what are you dithering about now? you're a nervous nellie dan. and i don't see what the hell your point is..or isn't. that's why i find you weird and creepy. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >B: whaaaaaaaaaaaat the fuck is this shit below? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Werner: > > > > > > > > Let me add to this, Pete, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (.b b.b.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm sorry werner but that one about tops the cake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you've made one of the sorriest ass fucking diatribes on reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > werner don't try. > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Is Werner responding to your medication, Bob? > > > > > > You have been shoving the bitter pill down his > > > > > > throat for some time. He is not even gaging. > > > > > > maybe is time for a new prescription. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner needs to translate everything into his > > > > > > own words. Lot's of people do that until they > > > > > > see that doesn't change a thing, and that's > > > > > > exactly what they want. They feel safe with > > > > > > what they understand, and they are protecting > > > > > > it from change, so they must translate any > > > > > > new input to that same old pat phrases they love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not vivid at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no there is no response yet from my medication. > > > > > > > > > > and i've got damn good snake oil. > > > > > > > > > > but in order for it to perform it's miracles.. > > > > > > > > > > the fucking recipient has to realize he's a snake and not a saint. > > > > > > > > > > there's a couple of these unfortunates here. > > > > > > > > > > i can do no more for them. > > > > > > > > > > but i will continue just for the hell of it. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, " you " continue. > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > that's what it says. > > > > > > " you " asked. > > > > > > what a weird creep. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > that's what it says. > > > > but you don't. > > > > nor your weirdness nor creepiness. > > > > - d - > > > s'cuse me? > > what are you dithering about now? > > you're a nervous nellie dan. > > and i don't see what the hell your point is..or isn't. > > that's why i find you weird and creepy. > > .b b.b. you don't know me. - d - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >B: whaaaaaaaaaaaat the fuck is this shit below? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Werner: > > > > > > > > > Let me add to this, Pete, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (.b b.b.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm sorry werner but that one about tops the cake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you've made one of the sorriest ass fucking diatribes on reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > werner don't try. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Is Werner responding to your medication, Bob? > > > > > > > You have been shoving the bitter pill down his > > > > > > > throat for some time. He is not even gaging. > > > > > > > maybe is time for a new prescription. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner needs to translate everything into his > > > > > > > own words. Lot's of people do that until they > > > > > > > see that doesn't change a thing, and that's > > > > > > > exactly what they want. They feel safe with > > > > > > > what they understand, and they are protecting > > > > > > > it from change, so they must translate any > > > > > > > new input to that same old pat phrases they love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not vivid at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no there is no response yet from my medication. > > > > > > > > > > > > and i've got damn good snake oil. > > > > > > > > > > > > but in order for it to perform it's miracles.. > > > > > > > > > > > > the fucking recipient has to realize he's a snake and not a saint. > > > > > > > > > > > > there's a couple of these unfortunates here. > > > > > > > > > > > > i can do no more for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > but i will continue just for the hell of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, " you " continue. > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > that's what it says. > > > > > > > > " you " asked. > > > > > > > > what a weird creep. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > that's what it says. > > > > > > but you don't. > > > > > > nor your weirdness nor creepiness. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > s'cuse me? > > > > what are you dithering about now? > > > > you're a nervous nellie dan. > > > > and i don't see what the hell your point is..or isn't. > > > > that's why i find you weird and creepy. > > > > .b b.b. > > you don't know me. > > > > - d - everyone knows everyone dan. you are not special. every you is the same you. you are not more " enlightened'. you are not more " knowing " . your dan and there are 6 billion more dans. this is your fundamental and most glaring strangeness: that you believe that you are different. you're in denial. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 > > > > P: Is Werner responding to your medication, Bob? > > You have been shoving the bitter pill down his > > throat for some time. He is not even gaging. > > maybe is time for a new prescription. > > > What perscription would you suggest, Pete ? P: I'd suggest reasoning, instead of insults. > >W: Eventually a cloning pill which I swallow and, how wonderful, I got a second Pete ? > > Ok, I think it would be nice if there were more people similar like you on this earth, Pete, but on the other hand some contrasting posts like mine won't be that dangerous to have look for stronger pills to finaly make me smell and sound like you or Bob. > > P: Well, I don't know what changes Bob has in mind for you. I don't want to make another Pete out of you, but it would be nice if you would understand my words, without needing to say what I said with your exact words. I said: > > " Absence is what makes presence noticeable. An > uninterrupted monotone goes unnoticed soon. > Consciousness is a trick of now you see it, now you > don't. Consciousness can't be conscious without > change. " And you said: W: Let me add to this, Pete, P: But you did not add anything, you just rephrased what I said: W:And so it is understandable that when no longer any new data does arrive then also no longer any data can get made conscious. P: There is no need to bring long term memory into this. A newborn has no long term memory. To check the hearing of a newly born doctors use a loud beep, and the baby turns his/her head in the direction of the sound, but if the beep continuous uninterrupted the baby will stop to react, the same is true with a flashing light. And that is what I said above: " an uninterrupted monotone goes unnoticed soon. " W: Therefore what we call consciousness is just a constant flow of contents or data as long as one moves through life which one also realizes as the " flow of life " . Therefore it is false to say that consciousness is a trick of now you see it, now you don't see it. P: Haha! How is " the flow of live " life different from: " Consciousness is a trick of now you see it, now you > don't. Consciousness can't be conscious without > change. " A flow of events is events appearing and disappearing. A flow is not different, but if you need your own words, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > P: Is Werner responding to your medication, Bob? > > > You have been shoving the bitter pill down his > > > throat for some time. He is not even gaging. > > > maybe is time for a new prescription. > > > > > > What perscription would you suggest, Pete ? > > P: I'd suggest reasoning, instead of insults. > > > >W: Eventually a cloning pill which I swallow and, how wonderful, I got a second Pete ? > > > > Ok, I think it would be nice if there were more people similar like you on this earth, Pete, but on the other hand some contrasting posts like mine won't be that dangerous to have look for stronger pills to finaly make me smell and sound like you or Bob. > > > > > > P: Well, I don't know what changes Bob has in > mind for you. I don't want to make another Pete out > of you, but it would be nice if you would understand > my words, without needing to say what I said with > your exact words. I said: > > > > > " Absence is what makes presence noticeable. An > > uninterrupted monotone goes unnoticed soon. > > Consciousness is a trick of now you see it, now you > > don't. Consciousness can't be conscious without > > change. " > > And you said: > > W: Let me add to this, Pete, > > P: But you did not add anything, you just rephrased > what I said: > > W:And so it is understandable that when no longer any new data does arrive then > also no longer any data can get made conscious. > > P: There is no need to bring long term memory into this. > A newborn has no long term memory. Sorry, Pete, a new born child already has a lonterm menory. For example the mother's heart beat or voice and also the taste of her amniotic fluid get stored. Surely only new intakes will get stored but that undeniably alrerady is the beginning of a long term memory. > To check the hearing of > a newly born doctors use a loud beep, and the baby turns > his/her head in the direction of the sound, but if the > beep continuous uninterrupted the baby will stop to react, > the same is true with a flashing light. And that is what > I said above: " an uninterrupted monotone goes unnoticed soon. " > > W: Therefore what we call consciousness is just a constant > flow of contents or data as long as one moves through life > which one also realizes as the " flow of life " . > > Therefore it is false to say that consciousness is a trick > of now you see it, now you don't see it. > > P: Haha! How is " the flow of live " life different from: Hmm, why 'Haha', Pete, can you please explain why ? I had a reason why I explained the characteristic of concsiousness in a more lengthy way. Consciousness is its content, and each content will fade away and becomes a content of the subconscious long term memory. What one calls the " flow of life " is just that flow of arriving and fading away of the contents (of consciousness). > > " Consciousness is a trick of now you see it, now you > > don't. Consciousness can't be conscious without > > change. " > > A flow of events is events appearing and disappearing. > > A flow is not different, but if you need your own words, > so be it. > I don't 'need' my own words. If by chance I am using different words than someone else then the reason lies in my biograophy and in the biography of the person I am compared with. And, btw, no one has asked me if I want my biography or not. It just happened ... Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 > > >W: Sorry, Pete, a new born child already has a lonterm menory. For example the mother's heart beat or voice and also the taste of her amniotic fluid get stored. Surely only new intakes will get stored but that undeniably alrerady is the beginning of a long term memory. P: How do you know that? anyway, even if he remembered his mother's heartbeat that doesn't have anything to do with perceiving a flashing light, or hearing a loud beep. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > >W: Sorry, Pete, a new born child already has a lonterm menory. For example the mother's heart beat or voice and also the taste of her amniotic fluid get stored. Surely only new intakes will get stored but that undeniably alrerady is the beginning of a long term memory. > > P: How do you know that? anyway, even if he remembered his > mother's heartbeat that doesn't have anything to do with > perceiving a flashing light, or hearing a loud beep. > > > Maybe the following text can convince you a bit, Pete: ------------------------- Fetal learning and memory References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article. Cathelijne F van Heteren MDa, Corresponding Author Contact Information, E-mail The Corresponding Author, P Focco Boekkooi MDa, Henk W Jongsma PhDa and ProfJan G Nijhuis MDb aDepartment of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, University Medical Centre Nijmegen, Netherlands bDepartment of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, University Hospital, Maastricht Available online 10 October 2000. Summary We used fetal habituation to repeated vibroacoustic stimulation to assess fetal memory. After the initial stimulus, we assessed the fetuses 10 min later and again after 24 h. 16 of 19 fetuses habituated rapidly to the stimuli at 10 min (p=0·004) and 24 h (p=0·042) after the initial test. We conclude, therefore, that fetuses are able to learn: they have a short-term memory of at least 10 min, and a long-term memory of at least 24 h. Article Outline ---------------------- To be found here: http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0140673600027665 Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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