it's not there or over there either.

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roberibus111

Nisargadatta

Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:33 AM

Re: it's not there or over there either.

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:53 AM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > roberibus111

> > Nisargadatta

> > Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:32 AM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > dan330033

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:39 AM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > You believe there is some kind of real manifestation apart from the

> > > > unmanifest

> > > > -d-

> > > >

> > > > I dont believe in anything. I see real manifestations indeed -

> > > > empty -

> > > > but

> > > > manifest. This is only possible because I am unmanifest.

> > > > geo-

> > >

> > > there is only the unmanifest

> > >

> > > - d -

> > >

> > > And its waves

> > > -geo-

> >

> > no.

> >

> > where is a wave is a particle.

> >

> > waves are resistant nuisance.

> >

> > open of that is Freedom before Time.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > Particules...anti-particules...particule-less....all the same.

> > Time is just another pattern-wave

> > Freedom....no, that is not a nother wave, neither another pattern.

> > -geo-

>

> well you are missing the first of an endless number of " stages " .

>

> what the hell though..

>

> you've got an eternity to continue fucking around in.

>

> Freedom waits for all..

>

> as never has Freedom been not Free and Now.

>

> who but you is discussing waves and patterns?

>

> you miss the forest for the trees.

>

> bottle cap collecting.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> Discussing waves and patterns....just another distraction

> -geo-

 

talking about distractions is a distraction Obama.

 

LOL!

 

besides..the discussion... at least at this end..

 

has nothing to do with waves and particles.

 

you just aren't seeing this.

 

and you have to do this on your own.

 

stay focused on that which has no focus.

 

otherwise continue to play on.

 

..b b.b.

 

eeeeeeeehhhhhh....are you alright?

....or is it another fit of acute verboragia?

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:33 AM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > roberibus111

> > Nisargadatta

> > Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:53 AM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > roberibus111

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:32 AM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dan330033

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:39 AM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > You believe there is some kind of real manifestation apart from the

> > > > > unmanifest

> > > > > -d-

> > > > >

> > > > > I dont believe in anything. I see real manifestations indeed -

> > > > > empty -

> > > > > but

> > > > > manifest. This is only possible because I am unmanifest.

> > > > > geo-

> > > >

> > > > there is only the unmanifest

> > > >

> > > > - d -

> > > >

> > > > And its waves

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > no.

> > >

> > > where is a wave is a particle.

> > >

> > > waves are resistant nuisance.

> > >

> > > open of that is Freedom before Time.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > Particules...anti-particules...particule-less....all the same.

> > > Time is just another pattern-wave

> > > Freedom....no, that is not a nother wave, neither another pattern.

> > > -geo-

> >

> > well you are missing the first of an endless number of " stages " .

> >

> > what the hell though..

> >

> > you've got an eternity to continue fucking around in.

> >

> > Freedom waits for all..

> >

> > as never has Freedom been not Free and Now.

> >

> > who but you is discussing waves and patterns?

> >

> > you miss the forest for the trees.

> >

> > bottle cap collecting.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > Discussing waves and patterns....just another distraction

> > -geo-

>

> talking about distractions is a distraction Obama.

>

> LOL!

>

> besides..the discussion... at least at this end..

>

> has nothing to do with waves and particles.

>

> you just aren't seeing this.

>

> and you have to do this on your own.

>

> stay focused on that which has no focus.

>

> otherwise continue to play on.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> eeeeeeeehhhhhh....are you alright?

> ...or is it another fit of acute verboragia?

> -geo-

 

 

of course you don't understand.

 

i understand.

 

..b b.b.

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roberibus111

Nisargadatta

Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:44 AM

Re: it's not there or over there either.

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:33 AM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > roberibus111

> > Nisargadatta

> > Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:53 AM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > roberibus111

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:32 AM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > dan330033

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:39 AM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > You believe there is some kind of real manifestation apart from

> > > > > the

> > > > > unmanifest

> > > > > -d-

> > > > >

> > > > > I dont believe in anything. I see real manifestations indeed -

> > > > > empty -

> > > > > but

> > > > > manifest. This is only possible because I am unmanifest.

> > > > > geo-

> > > >

> > > > there is only the unmanifest

> > > >

> > > > - d -

> > > >

> > > > And its waves

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > no.

> > >

> > > where is a wave is a particle.

> > >

> > > waves are resistant nuisance.

> > >

> > > open of that is Freedom before Time.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > Particules...anti-particules...particule-less....all the same.

> > > Time is just another pattern-wave

> > > Freedom....no, that is not a nother wave, neither another pattern.

> > > -geo-

> >

> > well you are missing the first of an endless number of " stages " .

> >

> > what the hell though..

> >

> > you've got an eternity to continue fucking around in.

> >

> > Freedom waits for all..

> >

> > as never has Freedom been not Free and Now.

> >

> > who but you is discussing waves and patterns?

> >

> > you miss the forest for the trees.

> >

> > bottle cap collecting.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > Discussing waves and patterns....just another distraction

> > -geo-

>

> talking about distractions is a distraction Obama.

>

> LOL!

>

> besides..the discussion... at least at this end..

>

> has nothing to do with waves and particles.

>

> you just aren't seeing this.

>

> and you have to do this on your own.

>

> stay focused on that which has no focus.

>

> otherwise continue to play on.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> eeeeeeeehhhhhh....are you alright?

> ...or is it another fit of acute verboragia?

> -geo-

 

of course you don't understand.

 

i understand.

 

..b b.b.

 

I am quite flexible....I can focus on the non-fucusable and quit the game.

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:44 AM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > roberibus111

> > Nisargadatta

> > Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:33 AM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > roberibus111

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:53 AM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > roberibus111

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:32 AM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > dan330033

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:39 AM

> > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You believe there is some kind of real manifestation apart from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > unmanifest

> > > > > > -d-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I dont believe in anything. I see real manifestations indeed -

> > > > > > empty -

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > manifest. This is only possible because I am unmanifest.

> > > > > > geo-

> > > > >

> > > > > there is only the unmanifest

> > > > >

> > > > > - d -

> > > > >

> > > > > And its waves

> > > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > > > no.

> > > >

> > > > where is a wave is a particle.

> > > >

> > > > waves are resistant nuisance.

> > > >

> > > > open of that is Freedom before Time.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > > > Particules...anti-particules...particule-less....all the same.

> > > > Time is just another pattern-wave

> > > > Freedom....no, that is not a nother wave, neither another pattern.

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > well you are missing the first of an endless number of " stages " .

> > >

> > > what the hell though..

> > >

> > > you've got an eternity to continue fucking around in.

> > >

> > > Freedom waits for all..

> > >

> > > as never has Freedom been not Free and Now.

> > >

> > > who but you is discussing waves and patterns?

> > >

> > > you miss the forest for the trees.

> > >

> > > bottle cap collecting.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > Discussing waves and patterns....just another distraction

> > > -geo-

> >

> > talking about distractions is a distraction Obama.

> >

> > LOL!

> >

> > besides..the discussion... at least at this end..

> >

> > has nothing to do with waves and particles.

> >

> > you just aren't seeing this.

> >

> > and you have to do this on your own.

> >

> > stay focused on that which has no focus.

> >

> > otherwise continue to play on.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > eeeeeeeehhhhhh....are you alright?

> > ...or is it another fit of acute verboragia?

> > -geo-

>

> of course you don't understand.

>

> i understand.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> I am quite flexible....I can focus on the non-fucusable and quit the game.

> -geo-

 

 

do what you think you must.

 

you can do no other.

 

..b b.b.

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roberibus111

Nisargadatta

Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:13 PM

Re: it's not there or over there either.

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:44 AM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > roberibus111

> > Nisargadatta

> > Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:33 AM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > roberibus111

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:53 AM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > roberibus111

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:32 AM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > dan330033

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:39 AM

> > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You believe there is some kind of real manifestation apart from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > unmanifest

> > > > > > -d-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I dont believe in anything. I see real manifestations indeed -

> > > > > > empty -

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > manifest. This is only possible because I am unmanifest.

> > > > > > geo-

> > > > >

> > > > > there is only the unmanifest

> > > > >

> > > > > - d -

> > > > >

> > > > > And its waves

> > > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > > > no.

> > > >

> > > > where is a wave is a particle.

> > > >

> > > > waves are resistant nuisance.

> > > >

> > > > open of that is Freedom before Time.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > > > Particules...anti-particules...particule-less....all the same.

> > > > Time is just another pattern-wave

> > > > Freedom....no, that is not a nother wave, neither another pattern.

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > well you are missing the first of an endless number of " stages " .

> > >

> > > what the hell though..

> > >

> > > you've got an eternity to continue fucking around in.

> > >

> > > Freedom waits for all..

> > >

> > > as never has Freedom been not Free and Now.

> > >

> > > who but you is discussing waves and patterns?

> > >

> > > you miss the forest for the trees.

> > >

> > > bottle cap collecting.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > Discussing waves and patterns....just another distraction

> > > -geo-

> >

> > talking about distractions is a distraction Obama.

> >

> > LOL!

> >

> > besides..the discussion... at least at this end..

> >

> > has nothing to do with waves and particles.

> >

> > you just aren't seeing this.

> >

> > and you have to do this on your own.

> >

> > stay focused on that which has no focus.

> >

> > otherwise continue to play on.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > eeeeeeeehhhhhh....are you alright?

> > ...or is it another fit of acute verboragia?

> > -geo-

>

> of course you don't understand.

>

> i understand.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> I am quite flexible....I can focus on the non-fucusable and quit the game.

> -geo-

 

do what you think you must.

 

you can do no other.

 

..b b.b.

 

Might be true. Depends on " who " is saying that.

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> Isn't all this ridiculous? ;-).

>

> A drop of error has fallen in a clear flat lake. Till the waves subside some

> errors seem to shake the surface.

> ...then is all silence again.

 

It seems here all is truth. Error is truth.

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> Aren't 'you' the issue that must unravel?

> -tim-

>

> Why dont you ask dan the same question? He thinks there is some

> universal

> mind outside of here/there.

> -geo-

 

Dan doesn't think there's anything inside or outside anything else, and he's

made this abundantly clear.

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Tim G.

Nisargadatta

Saturday, June 20, 2009 1:54 PM

Re: it's not there or over there either.

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> Isn't all this ridiculous? ;-).

>

> A drop of error has fallen in a clear flat lake. Till the waves subside

> some

> errors seem to shake the surface.

> ...then is all silence again.

 

It seems here all is truth. Error is truth.

-tim-

 

What is a no-truth?

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> Tim G.

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, June 20, 2009 1:54 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > Isn't all this ridiculous? ;-).

> >

> > A drop of error has fallen in a clear flat lake. Till the waves subside

> > some

> > errors seem to shake the surface.

> > ...then is all silence again.

>

> It seems here all is truth. Error is truth.

> -tim-

>

> What is a no-truth?

> -geo-

 

Questions. As they're already answers, they don't invite 'future' answers.

[Guest guest]

> Aren't 'you' the issue that must unravel?

> -tim-

>

> Why dont you ask dan the same question? He thinks there is some

> universal

> mind outside of here/there.

> -geo-

 

Dan doesn't think there's anything inside or outside anything else, and he's

made this abundantly clear.

-t-

 

The moment something universal is stated to be just in geo's mind it is not

present there...although it is everywhere.

-geo-

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> > Aren't 'you' the issue that must unravel?

> > -tim-

> >

> > Why dont you ask dan the same question? He thinks there is some

> > universal

> > mind outside of here/there.

> > -geo-

>

> Dan doesn't think there's anything inside or outside anything else, and he's

> made this abundantly clear.

> -t-

>

> The moment something universal is stated to be just in geo's mind it is not

> present there...although it is everywhere.

> -geo-

 

Ahh... so 'where' is this feeling that some universal mind is outside of

here/there?

 

If you'll look closely, you'll see that everything is 'here'. Everything is

'Being'. Knowing is being, seeing is being, hearing is being, smelling is

being, tasting is being, feeling is being.

 

This is why Nisargadatta says " just Be " .

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > You don't have any substantiality, nor do I, to try to grasp some

" universal mind " or any other b.s.

> > > -d-

> > >

> > > You are being ridiculous dan.

> > > Do you really think that by behaving like an angry virgin authoritative

nun you will convince yourself or me about the nature of some truth?

> > > I dont like quoting. Nis was asked wether he could tell the climate in NY

- if he was indeed above god. He said he did not, because he was not trained to

do so. " You can do anything if are properly trained " . It is just a matter of

interest. You can unravel any issue - if you really want to.

> > >

> > > " Substantiality " is just another concept in your mind. What are you trying

to deny by saying we have it not?

> > > -geo-

> >

> > you're lost in your concepts.

>

> He's a lost concept ;-).

>

> > who do you think you're accusing of being ridiculous?

>

> Who do you think you're accusing of accusing someone of being ridiculous?

>

> Isn't all this ridiculous? ;-).

 

Yes.

 

Amen.

 

- D -

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > You don't have any substantiality, nor do I, to try to grasp some

" universal mind " or any other b.s.

> > > -d-

> > >

> > > You are being ridiculous dan.

> > > Do you really think that by behaving like an angry virgin authoritative

nun you will convince yourself or me about the nature of some truth?

> > > I dont like quoting. Nis was asked wether he could tell the climate in NY

- if he was indeed above god. He said he did not, because he was not trained to

do so. " You can do anything if are properly trained " . It is just a matter of

interest. You can unravel any issue - if you really want to.

> > >

> > > " Substantiality " is just another concept in your mind. What are you trying

to deny by saying we have it not?

> > > -geo-

> >

> > you're lost in your concepts.

> >

> > who do you think you're accusing of being ridiculous?

> >

> > - d -

>

>

> you are being rather ridiculous asking that.

>

> the answer is ridiculously clear.

>

> .b b.b.

 

indeed.

 

- d -

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:13 PM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > roberibus111

> > Nisargadatta

> > Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:44 AM

> > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > roberibus111

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:33 AM

> > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > roberibus111

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:53 AM

> > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > roberibus111

> > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:32 AM

> > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > dan330033

> > > > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > > > Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:39 AM

> > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You believe there is some kind of real manifestation apart from

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > unmanifest

> > > > > > > -d-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I dont believe in anything. I see real manifestations indeed -

> > > > > > > empty -

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > manifest. This is only possible because I am unmanifest.

> > > > > > > geo-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there is only the unmanifest

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - d -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And its waves

> > > > > > -geo-

> > > > >

> > > > > no.

> > > > >

> > > > > where is a wave is a particle.

> > > > >

> > > > > waves are resistant nuisance.

> > > > >

> > > > > open of that is Freedom before Time.

> > > > >

> > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > >

> > > > > Particules...anti-particules...particule-less....all the same.

> > > > > Time is just another pattern-wave

> > > > > Freedom....no, that is not a nother wave, neither another pattern.

> > > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > > > well you are missing the first of an endless number of " stages " .

> > > >

> > > > what the hell though..

> > > >

> > > > you've got an eternity to continue fucking around in.

> > > >

> > > > Freedom waits for all..

> > > >

> > > > as never has Freedom been not Free and Now.

> > > >

> > > > who but you is discussing waves and patterns?

> > > >

> > > > you miss the forest for the trees.

> > > >

> > > > bottle cap collecting.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > > > Discussing waves and patterns....just another distraction

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > talking about distractions is a distraction Obama.

> > >

> > > LOL!

> > >

> > > besides..the discussion... at least at this end..

> > >

> > > has nothing to do with waves and particles.

> > >

> > > you just aren't seeing this.

> > >

> > > and you have to do this on your own.

> > >

> > > stay focused on that which has no focus.

> > >

> > > otherwise continue to play on.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > eeeeeeeehhhhhh....are you alright?

> > > ...or is it another fit of acute verboragia?

> > > -geo-

> >

> > of course you don't understand.

> >

> > i understand.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > I am quite flexible....I can focus on the non-fucusable and quit the game.

> > -geo-

>

> do what you think you must.

>

> you can do no other.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> Might be true. Depends on " who " is saying that.

> -geo-

 

 

who could it be?

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:42 AM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > You don't have any substantiality, nor do I, to try to grasp some

> > " universal mind " or any other b.s.

> > -d-

> >

> > You are being ridiculous dan.

> > Do you really think that by behaving like an angry virgin authoritative

> > nun you will convince yourself or me about the nature of some truth?

> > I dont like quoting. Nis was asked wether he could tell the climate in

> > NY - if he was indeed above god. He said he did not, because he was not

> > trained to do so. " You can do anything if are properly trained " . It is

> > just a matter of interest. You can unravel any issue - if you really want

> > to.

> >

> > " Substantiality " is just another concept in your mind. What are you trying

> > to deny by saying we have it not?

> > -geo-

>

> you're lost in your concepts.

>

> who do you think you're accusing of being ridiculous?

>

> - d -

>

> The issuer of the words that think that the universal mind is a concept.

> -geo-

 

nonsense

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Aren't 'you' the issue that must unravel?

> > -tim-

> >

> > Why dont you ask dan the same question? He thinks there is some

> > universal

> > mind outside of here/there.

> > -geo-

>

> Dan doesn't think there's anything inside or outside anything else, and he's

made this abundantly clear.

 

 

abundant emptiness?

 

c'mon with you!

 

besides..that's just dan b.s.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Aren't 'you' the issue that must unravel?

> > > -tim-

> > >

> > > Why dont you ask dan the same question? He thinks there is some

> > > universal

> > > mind outside of here/there.

> > > -geo-

> >

> > Dan doesn't think there's anything inside or outside anything else, and he's

made this abundantly clear.

>

>

> abundant emptiness?

>

> c'mon with you!

>

> besides..that's just dan b.s.

>

> .b b.b.

 

The " dan b.s. " is inside you.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Aren't 'you' the issue that must unravel?

> > -tim-

> >

> > Why dont you ask dan the same question? He thinks there is some

> > universal

> > mind outside of here/there.

> > -geo-

>

> Dan doesn't think there's anything inside or outside anything else, and he's

made this abundantly clear.

 

yes

 

but nothing i say will help

 

it just becomes fodder for meaningless repartee, back and forth

 

and that which is

 

has no involvement in back and forth

 

one who knows without knowing, simply is

 

doesn't require anything from words

 

one who is moving toward knowing, and engaged in experiences

 

can also engage in endless repartee

 

believing that there is meaningful contact being made

 

or imagining there is entertainment through the contact

 

- d -

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Aren't 'you' the issue that must unravel?

> > > -tim-

> > >

> > > Why dont you ask dan the same question? He thinks there is some

> > > universal

> > > mind outside of here/there.

> > > -geo-

> >

> > Dan doesn't think there's anything inside or outside anything else, and he's

made this abundantly clear.

>

> yes

>

> but nothing i say will help

>

> it just becomes fodder for meaningless repartee, back and forth

>

> and that which is

>

> has no involvement in back and forth

>

> one who knows without knowing, simply is

>

> doesn't require anything from words

>

> one who is moving toward knowing, and engaged in experiences

>

> can also engage in endless repartee

>

> believing that there is meaningful contact being made

>

> or imagining there is entertainment through the contact

>

> - d -

 

As long as there's imaginary subject/object, 'meaningful contact' between them

is certainly possible ;-). " Two halves of one's being " even fall in love with

each other... it happens all the time ;-).

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dan330033

Nisargadatta

Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:23 PM

Re: it's not there or over there either.

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:39 AM

> Re: it's not there or over there either.

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > You believe there is some kind of real manifestation apart from the

> > unmanifest

> > -d-

> >

> > I dont believe in anything. I see real manifestations indeed - empty -

> > but

> > manifest. This is only possible because I am unmanifest.

> > geo-

>

> there is only the unmanifest

>

> - d -

>

> And its waves

> -geo-

 

" and "

 

????

-d-

 

Bewfore people think we are about to by our weding rings i will correct and

prove to you that I am righter.

It is the wavy unmanifest. Is that better?

-geo-

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> >

> > You don't have any substantiality, nor do I, to try to grasp some

> > " universal mind " or any other b.s.

> > -d-

> >

> > You are being ridiculous dan.

> > Do you really think that by behaving like an angry virgin authoritative

> > nun you will convince yourself or me about the nature of some truth?

> > I dont like quoting. Nis was asked wether he could tell the climate in

> > NY - if he was indeed above god. He said he did not, because he was not

> > trained to do so. " You can do anything if are properly trained " . It is

> > just a matter of interest. You can unravel any issue -> if you really

> > want

> > to.

>

> Aren't 'you' the issue that must unravel?

> -tim-

>

> Why dont you ask dan the same question? He thinks there is some universal

> mind outside of here/there.

> -geo-

 

yeah, right

-d-

 

Yeah right, ok I will say what is in my mind...

 

Nis, in his later talks would not let 3 ~4 days pass without talking about

the five gunas, the five " forces " of consciousness. At that particular time

in his life he found it important to look at the play of the gunas so he

asked for those around him to look at them. Someone might have never given

too much importance to it, nonetheless it would be incorrect to say that the

gunas where only in Nis mind. K though it was important to consider the

psichological self. Marc did not gave too much thought to it, but that is no

reason to say that it was just something K invented in his mind. We tend to

think we are totaly unfocused absolutes, but in fact we all have agendas and

are focused in one thing or another at different times.

Sometimes I feel it is relevant to consider Univesral MInd, there is the

seeing of it, so I ask to look at it. You cant see it, not interested, but

that doesnt mean you can conclude it is just geos invention in his mind. It

is ignorance to do that. Such atitude is an " easy " way to call " another "

stupid contrasting with " my " enormous unquestionable wisdom.

 

The world has waves that have their source in different " places " like the

ocean with its waves originated by the winds and temperature changes, and

the tides realated to the moon and the sun. No self, no inner entity, and

the ocean/world is a flat mirror...but.... there are still the the

tides...that have nothing to do with that self...

I had to use lots of words, but the fact is being seen. Anyway...who cares?

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> Yeah right, ok I will say what is in my mind...

 

Do you sometimes feel a need to 'get stuff out', Geo? Just wondering, and if

so... wondering if you know who/what this stuff is 'going out to', and where

it's coming from?

 

If not, the 'speaker of the words' remains unexamined, possibly due to

assumptions about " there is no speaker " and such. I'd suggest dropping all

words and looking directly.

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> Yeah right, ok I will say what is in my mind...

 

Do you sometimes feel a need to 'get stuff out', Geo? Just wondering, and if

so... wondering if you know who/what this stuff is 'going out to', and where

it's coming from?

 

If not, the 'speaker of the words' remains unexamined, possibly due to

assumptions about " there is no speaker " and such. I'd suggest dropping all

words and looking directly.

-tim-

 

I understand, but then why dont you drop them instead of telling another to

do so?

-geo

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> > Yeah right, ok I will say what is in my mind...

>

> Do you sometimes feel a need to 'get stuff out', Geo? Just wondering, and if

> so... wondering if you know who/what this stuff is 'going out to', and where

> it's coming from?

>

> If not, the 'speaker of the words' remains unexamined, possibly due to

> assumptions about " there is no speaker " and such. I'd suggest dropping all

> words and looking directly.

> -tim-

>

> I understand, but then why dont you drop them instead of telling another to

> do so?

> -geo

 

Because I 'look directly' as the words arise. I don't mean to suggest stop

typing messages, I mean look at what the words are 'pointing to' as they are

written, or as they come out.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Aren't 'you' the issue that must unravel?

> > > > -tim-

> > > >

> > > > Why dont you ask dan the same question? He thinks there is some

> > > > universal

> > > > mind outside of here/there.

> > > > -geo-

> > >

> > > Dan doesn't think there's anything inside or outside anything else, and

he's made this abundantly clear.

> >

> >

> > abundant emptiness?

> >

> > c'mon with you!

> >

> > besides..that's just dan b.s.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> The " dan b.s. " is inside you.

 

 

i have no inside nor outside.

 

no b.s.

 

..b b.b.