Guest guest Report post Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 10:36:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > > > this is true. > > > > > > but.. > > > > > > one who says they are not interesting..isn't. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > It just dawned on me.........you and I are song birds trying to sing the > crow dialect. > > They're just just can't hear the melody. > > > It's kinda sad.......in a way. > > > :-( > > > > > toombaru > > > > ****A good example of how we can create our own sadness out of pure mental > fantasy, while at the same time using even this to reinforce the ego > fantasy. is this crap propping up your ego? it's gonna fall. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 12:40:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 9:32:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > dan330033@ writes: > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > ****My grandmother was never 'here', and neither are you or me. This > is > > > what you refuse to get. Year after year you go on insisting that you > > exist as > > > swirling neumonic debris or memory or some such nonsense. No you > don't. > > > None of that has any existence. > > > > The two of you are using the word " you " differently. > > > > It's a matter of semantics and context. > > > > Such a dialogue can't produce a coherent mutually shared context. > > > > Which is typical of so many dialogues. > > > > And that is fine. > > > > Truth isn't a product of a mutually shared context, nor is truth a > > mutually shared context. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > ****In this case, I don't think it's just a matter of semantics and > > context. It's not like we both agree there is a 'vehicle' of > perception, and then > > that which is aware of this vehicle and more fundamental. It's not like > I > > happen to be talking about one and Toom happens to be talking about the > > > other. He doesn't accept the existence of a perceiver (what he > sarcastically > > calls " Big Self " ), and so to him 'you', 'I', 'me', always point to the > same > > swirling cloud of neumonic debris that doesn't exist. > > > > Toom is playing the neti-neti game of 'I don't exist', and the better > he > > gets at the game, the more he prooves himself a liar. The only way out > for > > some players is to construct a mental void into which they can banish > > themselves. Been there, done that, and it's not the least bit pleasant. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are nothing but a program that evolved to seek that which it finds > pleasant and avoid that which it finds unpleasant. > > See that and watch what happens. > > (warning........it isn't a pleasant experience) > > > :-0 > > > > > toombaru > > > ***The above is written by a program called Toom (at least according to > the program) which is advising me of something it believes it knows that it > further believes I do not know, and it warns me that the experience is > unpleasant. This program also apparently believes that it evolved, in spite of > the illusory nature of time. (Some programs wonder why I find humor in such > things > > The truth of the matter is that I had that 'unpleasant experience' long > ago and I now see the matter much more clearly than you do (excuse me, than > the Toom program does), but there is no way to communicate that clarity to > you, mostly because you insist on seeing yourself as a program. > > > So........you don't believe in evolution? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 12:40:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 9:32:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > dan330033@ writes: > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > ****My grandmother was never 'here', and neither are you or me. This > is > > > what you refuse to get. Year after year you go on insisting that you > > exist as > > > swirling neumonic debris or memory or some such nonsense. No you > don't. > > > None of that has any existence. > > > > The two of you are using the word " you " differently. > > > > It's a matter of semantics and context. > > > > Such a dialogue can't produce a coherent mutually shared context. > > > > Which is typical of so many dialogues. > > > > And that is fine. > > > > Truth isn't a product of a mutually shared context, nor is truth a > > mutually shared context. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > ****In this case, I don't think it's just a matter of semantics and > > context. It's not like we both agree there is a 'vehicle' of > perception, and then > > that which is aware of this vehicle and more fundamental. It's not like > I > > happen to be talking about one and Toom happens to be talking about the > > > other. He doesn't accept the existence of a perceiver (what he > sarcastically > > calls " Big Self " ), and so to him 'you', 'I', 'me', always point to the > same > > swirling cloud of neumonic debris that doesn't exist. > > > > Toom is playing the neti-neti game of 'I don't exist', and the better > he > > gets at the game, the more he prooves himself a liar. The only way out > for > > some players is to construct a mental void into which they can banish > > themselves. Been there, done that, and it's not the least bit pleasant. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are nothing but a program that evolved to seek that which it finds > pleasant and avoid that which it finds unpleasant. > > See that and watch what happens. > > (warning........it isn't a pleasant experience) > > > :-0 > > > > > toombaru > > > ***The above is written by a program called Toom (at least according to > the program) which is advising me of something it believes it knows that it > further believes I do not know, and it warns me that the experience is > unpleasant. This program also apparently believes that it evolved, in spite of > the illusory nature of time. (Some programs wonder why I find humor in such > things > > The truth of the matter is that I had that 'unpleasant experience' long > ago and I now see the matter much more clearly than you do (excuse me, than > the Toom program does), but there is no way to communicate that clarity to > you, mostly because you insist on seeing yourself as a program. you want to compare yourself with someone else? one is " better " and " more clear " ???? oh god you're so lost. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 12:43:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 10:13:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > > It's a matter of semantics and context. > > > > > > Such a dialogue can't produce a coherent mutually shared context. > > > > > > > > > > > > No dialog can. > > > > > > > > ****There can't be a dialog that produces a coherent, mutually shared > > context? Puleeeze.....Sheesh!.....Double sheesh!.....Okay, in your case > that > > may be true. Hehe. > > > > > > > > Can there be a dialog that produces a coherent mutually shared context > concerning the true color of Cinderella's dress? > > > > toombaru > > > > ****There can be such a dialog about anything that we both know something > about. If we don't both have something to share about it, why would we be > attempting a dialog? > > What can be shared about any matter spiritual? It's all make believe. It's all made up. It's all guess work. It's all speculation based on the assumption of self......and there isn't one. BOOM. oh..........no.......that's yosy. :-0 toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 2:19:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > > ***The above is written by a program called Toom (at least according to > > the program) which is advising me of something it believes it knows > that it > > further believes I do not know, and it warns me that the experience is > > unpleasant. This program also apparently believes that it evolved, in > spite of > > the illusory nature of time. (Some programs wonder why I find humor in > such > > things > > > > The truth of the matter is that I had that 'unpleasant experience' long > > ago and I now see the matter much more clearly than you do (excuse me, > than > > the Toom program does), but there is no way to communicate that clarity > to > > you, mostly because you insist on seeing yourself as a program. > > > > > > > > > So........you don't believe in evolution? > > > > toombaru > > > > **** It's okay, I'll hipity hop from one diversion to another with ya. > It's not about belief. I believe I had a dream about a fire breathing dragon > last night, but i don't take it so seriously that I talk to folks about how > to protect themselves from dragons. > > > Do you believe that living organisms adapt to their changing environment over time? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 2:19:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > ***The above is written by a program called Toom (at least according to > > > the program) which is advising me of something it believes it knows > > that it > > > further believes I do not know, and it warns me that the experience is > > > unpleasant. This program also apparently believes that it evolved, in > > spite of > > > the illusory nature of time. (Some programs wonder why I find humor in > > such > > > things > > > > > > The truth of the matter is that I had that 'unpleasant experience' long > > > ago and I now see the matter much more clearly than you do (excuse me, > > than > > > the Toom program does), but there is no way to communicate that clarity > > to > > > you, mostly because you insist on seeing yourself as a program. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So........you don't believe in evolution? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > **** It's okay, I'll hipity hop from one diversion to another with ya. > > It's not about belief. I believe I had a dream about a fire breathing dragon > > last night, but i don't take it so seriously that I talk to folks about how > > to protect themselves from dragons. > > > > > > > > > > > Do you believe that living organisms adapt to their changing environment over time? > > > > > toombaru he's willing to believe anything that he thinks he believes. don't ask though. it gets old quick when he starts talking about himself. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 2:19:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > ***The above is written by a program called Toom (at least according to > > > > the program) which is advising me of something it believes it knows > > > that it > > > > further believes I do not know, and it warns me that the experience is > > > > unpleasant. This program also apparently believes that it evolved, in > > > spite of > > > > the illusory nature of time. (Some programs wonder why I find humor in > > > such > > > > things > > > > > > > > The truth of the matter is that I had that 'unpleasant experience' long > > > > ago and I now see the matter much more clearly than you do (excuse me, > > > than > > > > the Toom program does), but there is no way to communicate that clarity > > > to > > > > you, mostly because you insist on seeing yourself as a program. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So........you don't believe in evolution? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > **** It's okay, I'll hipity hop from one diversion to another with ya. > > > It's not about belief. I believe I had a dream about a fire breathing dragon > > > last night, but i don't take it so seriously that I talk to folks about how > > > to protect themselves from dragons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you believe that living organisms adapt to their changing environment over time? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > he's willing to believe anything that he thinks he believes. > > don't ask though. > > it gets old quick when he starts talking about himself. > > .b b.b. > Is there an entity separate from the beliefs? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 2:19:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > > > ***The above is written by a program called Toom (at least according to > > > > > the program) which is advising me of something it believes it knows > > > > that it > > > > > further believes I do not know, and it warns me that the experience is > > > > > unpleasant. This program also apparently believes that it evolved, in > > > > spite of > > > > > the illusory nature of time. (Some programs wonder why I find humor in > > > > such > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > The truth of the matter is that I had that 'unpleasant experience' long > > > > > ago and I now see the matter much more clearly than you do (excuse me, > > > > than > > > > > the Toom program does), but there is no way to communicate that clarity > > > > to > > > > > you, mostly because you insist on seeing yourself as a program. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So........you don't believe in evolution? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **** It's okay, I'll hipity hop from one diversion to another with ya. > > > > It's not about belief. I believe I had a dream about a fire breathing dragon > > > > last night, but i don't take it so seriously that I talk to folks about how > > > > to protect themselves from dragons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you believe that living organisms adapt to their changing environment over time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > he's willing to believe anything that he thinks he believes. > > > > don't ask though. > > > > it gets old quick when he starts talking about himself. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Is there an entity separate from the beliefs? > > > > > toombaru there is no entity. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 3:38:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > > So........you don't believe in evolution? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > **** It's okay, I'll hipity hop from one diversion to another with ya. > > It's not about belief. I believe I had a dream about a fire breathing > dragon > > last night, but i don't take it so seriously that I talk to folks about > how > > to protect themselves from dragons. > > > > > > > > > > > Do you believe that living organisms adapt to their changing environment > over time? > > > > > toombaru > > > > ****Yup, that's how the story plays out, but if you're going to hang your > hat on a story, why not embrace the whole story; You are a person who was > born and will die and experience suffering and joy. Is there more to the > story than that? that's not even the beginning. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
