Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > **Well, a timeless 'seeing' doesn't require much time (hehe), but I > > > > suggest there was a gap in the thoughts. > > > > > > The gap is 'behind' thought, not within it. > > > > > > Wherever it is, fall into it, and it falls into you. > > > > > > -- D. > > This is where advice no longer makes any sense. > > " Fall into it " . The self image. Falls. Dissolves. Into it. > OK, I'm enlightened now. Thank you for letting me know ;-). You have no qualities now. > It would be nice if we were really offering some sort of teaching, but the Self speaks to itself and hears itself. One is awake. The hearing is itself the awakeness. Nothing needs to be said, nor has been. All is heard. > From here, what you said about people really grieving their own death when another dies is merely the barest tip of the iceberg. Everything is for the benefit of oneself, because there is only the Self (in Ramana's terminology). I don't see any self or Self, anywhere. And I'm not missing it, or lacking it. > The fact that there are others doesn't change the fact that there are no others. > > Paradox. Inside and outside are the heart of paradox. Inside and outside of a person, to know others. Inside and outside of a moment, to know other moments. Reflection upon reflection, of countless insides and outsides that are one side. This is a one-sided affair. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > From here, what you said about people really grieving their own > death when another dies is merely the barest tip of the iceberg. > Everything is for the benefit of oneself, because there is only the > Self (in Ramana's terminology). > > I don't see any self or Self, anywhere. > > And I'm not missing it, or lacking it. I don't see any other or Other, anywhere. And I'm not missing them, or lacking them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > every word written or spoken is a repetition. > > > > > > > > every image or feeling remembered is repetition. > > > > > > > > and repetitions are so ... > > > > > > > > repetitive. > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > Such is 'life', or 'time', or 'history'... repeated, circular repetition. Only what was never born is never subject to repetition. > > > > > > well there's the never dead nor dying crowd too. > > > > .b b.b. > > > crowd? > > I don't see a crowd here. > > > -- D. you don't see anything. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > From here, what you said about people really grieving their own > > death when another dies is merely the barest tip of the iceberg. > > Everything is for the benefit of oneself, because there is only the > Self (in Ramana's terminology). > > > > I don't see any self or Self, anywhere. > > > > And I'm not missing it, or lacking it. > > I don't see any other or Other, anywhere. > > And I'm not missing them, or lacking them. I notice, now, that words are flowing from 'here'. And I notice, when reading the words as I type, that words are being read " here " . I don't notice any others as I type this. Where are they? When I look back a bit in memory, I see that when I read messages from " others " as well, the words are " mine " -- my own thoughts. When I look a bit further, I observe that if I hug you, the sensation is 'mine', not 'yours'. I observe that when I hear you speaking, the words occur 'here', not elsewhere. I observe now that all sensations/perceptions, thoughts, memories and feelings are occurring 'here', and notice as well that they always have. This is why I say " there is only Self " and " there are no others " . There's no evidence of others, aside from what they tell me -- i.e. within the content of thought. When *everything* is 'here' (and always has been) it seems a reasonable conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > i don't care what you dismiss or what you don't dismiss. > > > > i'm not dismissing you.. > > > > i'm dismissing the bullshit you try to pawn. > > > > that's how it's unfolding danny. > > > > and you ain't ever gonna change that. > > > > .b b.b. > > you're one string of words in the endless stream on open email list, bob. > > as am I. > > you see yourself as dismissing bullshit, and you're entitled to express that however negatively you want, which you apparently enjoy. > > it's an open list, so unless the moderator objects you'll go on doing what you do. > > > -- Dan well does that make you feel better NOW? getting all that catty venom out. and..you're gonna tell daddy huh? hee hee. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/26/2009 2:33:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > fewtch@ writes: > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > ***Yes. Direct perception, a realization that occurs in a timeless > > moment > > > of insight without benefit of conceptual thought, and in fact occurs > > only > > > in the absence of such thinkingness. > > > > Actually, it can occur right in the midst of conceptual thought. The > > " holding on " called 'me', relaxes. That's in fact what happened here in early > > '08. Lots of thought was going on, but I was no longer the " I " you see > > here as a word ;-)... rather, that which was seeing that word. > > > > > > **Well, a timeless 'seeing' doesn't require much time (hehe), but I > > suggest there was a gap in the thoughts. > > > > There is not only a gap between thoughts. > > There is a gap within a thought. > > > -- D. there's a huge gap in that thought. you can't see it because.. it's a gap. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > there's a huge gap in that thought. > > you can't see it because.. > > it's a gap. > > .b b.b. Pervert. Leave gaps out of it. Let's talk about slits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > there's a huge gap in that thought. > > you can't see it because.. > > it's a gap. > > .b b.b. Pervert. Leave gaps out of it. Let's talk about slits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > there's a huge gap in that thought. > > > > you can't see it because.. > > > > it's a gap. > > > > .b b.b. > > Pervert. Leave gaps out of it. Let's talk about slits. you remind me of the guy who interpreted every Rorschach he saw.. as a filthy pornographic picture. when the shrink finally said to him: " you have a dirty mind " .. the nutcase says: " me " .. " you " 're the one showing " me " the dirty pictures. what was meant re " gap " was.. that you can only see the sides of a gap.. not the gap itself. that's just vacant space. you have a dirty mind timmy. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > you have a dirty mind timmy. > > .b b.b. I know, beautiful. Call me again sometime if you want to do what we did last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > From here, what you said about people really grieving their own > > death when another dies is merely the barest tip of the iceberg. > > Everything is for the benefit of oneself, because there is only the > Self (in Ramana's terminology). > > > > I don't see any self or Self, anywhere. > > > > And I'm not missing it, or lacking it. > > I don't see any other or Other, anywhere. > > And I'm not missing them, or lacking them. I see a telephone on my desk. If I need to make a call, I know how to dial it. That's good enough for me. Byron needed to know the beauty of truth. I just need to be able to find my car in the parking lot. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > every word written or spoken is a repetition. > > > > > > > > > > every image or feeling remembered is repetition. > > > > > > > > > > and repetitions are so ... > > > > > > > > > > repetitive. > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > Such is 'life', or 'time', or 'history'... repeated, circular repetition. Only what was never born is never subject to repetition. > > > > > > > > > well there's the never dead nor dying crowd too. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > crowd? > > > > I don't see a crowd here. > > > > > > -- D. > > > you don't see anything. > > .b b.b. I see a computer screen. On the screen it says, " you don't see anything. " -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > From here, what you said about people really grieving their own > > > death when another dies is merely the barest tip of the iceberg. > > > Everything is for the benefit of oneself, because there is only the > Self (in Ramana's terminology). > > > > > > I don't see any self or Self, anywhere. > > > > > > And I'm not missing it, or lacking it. > > > > I don't see any other or Other, anywhere. > > > > And I'm not missing them, or lacking them. > > > I see a telephone on my desk. > > If I need to make a call, I know how to dial it. > > That's good enough for me. Me, too. I'm not saying I believe there are no others. I don't believe there are no others, nor do I believe there are others. > Byron needed to know the beauty of truth. > > I just need to be able to find my car in the parking lot. Hopefully you need to be able to put your underwear and pants on in the morning, too ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/26/2009 2:33:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > fewtch@ writes: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ***Yes. Direct perception, a realization that occurs in a timeless > > > moment > > > > of insight without benefit of conceptual thought, and in fact occurs > > > only > > > > in the absence of such thinkingness. > > > > > > Actually, it can occur right in the midst of conceptual thought. The > > > " holding on " called 'me', relaxes. That's in fact what happened here in early > > > '08. Lots of thought was going on, but I was no longer the " I " you see > > > here as a word ;-)... rather, that which was seeing that word. > > > > > > > > > **Well, a timeless 'seeing' doesn't require much time (hehe), but I > > > suggest there was a gap in the thoughts. > > > > > > > > There is not only a gap between thoughts. > > > > There is a gap within a thought. > > > > > > -- D. > > > there's a huge gap in that thought. > > you can't see it because.. > > it's a gap. > > .b b.b. Sho' nuff. - D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/26/2009 8:45:21 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > > In a message dated 5/25/2009 11:56:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > Phil......It's time to give up all that crap about little self-Big Self. > > > > That old idea that we aren't really a bunch of little selves but our > > ultimate reality is actually one great Big Self......is just an > infantile > > elaboration of the same old religiosity that has surfaced since the mind > of man > > first imagined that it was separated from its source. > > > > Everything they told you is wrong. > > > > You have to start thinking through this stuff without referring to > those > > old maps. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > ***You don't even know what I mean by Self. You heard it once, forgot > the > > rest of the sentence and started salivating like Pavlov's doggie. Now > > you've written a story around what you think I mean and how i became so > > > seriously deluded, and have concluded that everything I was told about > it is wrong. > > Can you also go back to some past lives and tell me what I did wrong > that > > led to such a predicament? > > > > > > > > > That's because you don't know what you mean by Self. > > And that's because there is no such thing. > > Perhaps you could take through the step by step process that led you to > believe such a story. > > Bring out a Big Self so we can take a good look at it. > > If you can't do that......then stop blathering on about it. > > > > *****If you can't see it with your eyes, you're not interested. That seems > pretty narrow minded for somebody on a spiritual forum. Who told you if > you can't see it it doesn't exist, and what made you believe it without > questioning it? > > > toombaru > Phil, Everything spiritual is make believe. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/26/2009 11:03:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > dan330033 writes: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > Can anything be for real? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Any thing cannot be real. > > Nor is it unreal, as there is no real thing to compare it with. > > Thus, to dismiss a thing as unreal gives it an unreality that is as > useless as regarding it as real. > > > -- Dan > > > Hi Dan > That's been my 'issue' with real/unreal too; it only applies within the > illusion where nothing is real and there's no-thing 'outside' of the illusion > on which to base the notion of real/unreal. It's just the mind that wants > to separate real from unreal, which is, itself, 'unreal'. How does a dream > character look around at a dreamscape and separate the real from the > unreal? It's meaningless. > > > " If you can sit it on the table.......it's real. If you can't......it isn't. " Jan Cox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > " If you can sit it on the table.......it's real. > If you can't......it isn't. " > > > > Jan Cox Go sit on a table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > i don't care what you dismiss or what you don't dismiss. > > > > > > i'm not dismissing you.. > > > > > > i'm dismissing the bullshit you try to pawn. > > > > > > that's how it's unfolding danny. > > > > > > and you ain't ever gonna change that. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > you're one string of words in the endless stream on open email list, bob. > > > > as am I. > > > > you see yourself as dismissing bullshit, and you're entitled to express that however negatively you want, which you apparently enjoy. > > > > it's an open list, so unless the moderator objects you'll go on doing what you do. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > well does that make you feel better NOW? > > getting all that catty venom out. > > and..you're gonna tell daddy huh? > > hee hee. > > .b b.b. i didn't say this to feel better. is that what you're doing with your venom? for me, it was just a statement to put your words in context. no, I'm not going to tell daddy. this list has a rather uninvolved daddy. so if one of the children in the sandbox likes throwing sand, he can do it all day long. to his heart's content. although your heart doesn't seem very content. - d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/26/2009 11:03:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > dan330033@ writes: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Can anything be for real? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Any thing cannot be real. > > > > Nor is it unreal, as there is no real thing to compare it with. > > > > Thus, to dismiss a thing as unreal gives it an unreality that is as > > useless as regarding it as real. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > Hi Dan > > That's been my 'issue' with real/unreal too; it only applies within the > > illusion where nothing is real and there's no-thing 'outside' of the illusion > > on which to base the notion of real/unreal. It's just the mind that wants > > to separate real from unreal, which is, itself, 'unreal'. How does a dream > > character look around at a dreamscape and separate the real from the > > unreal? It's meaningless. > > > > > > > > > " If you can sit it on the table.......it's real. > If you can't......it isn't. " > > > > Jan Cox Nah. There are people who believe they are sitting on a table, and they aren't. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > " If you can sit it on the table.......it's real. > > If you can't......it isn't. " > > > > > > > > Jan Cox > > Go sit on a table. > That's the point. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/26/2009 11:03:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > dan330033@ writes: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Can anything be for real? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Any thing cannot be real. > > > > > > Nor is it unreal, as there is no real thing to compare it with. > > > > > > Thus, to dismiss a thing as unreal gives it an unreality that is as > > > useless as regarding it as real. > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > Hi Dan > > > That's been my 'issue' with real/unreal too; it only applies within the > > > illusion where nothing is real and there's no-thing 'outside' of the illusion > > > on which to base the notion of real/unreal. It's just the mind that wants > > > to separate real from unreal, which is, itself, 'unreal'. How does a dream > > > character look around at a dreamscape and separate the real from the > > > unreal? It's meaningless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If you can sit it on the table.......it's real. > > If you can't......it isn't. " > > > > > > > > Jan Cox > > Nah. > > There are people who believe they are sitting on a table, and they aren't. > > -- D. > That's the point. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > " If you can sit it on the table.......it's real. > > > If you can't......it isn't. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan Cox > > > > Go sit on a table. > > > > > > > That's the point. > > > > toombaru What if I stacked a table on top of a table? Is the bottom table unreal, and the top one real? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > this list has a rather uninvolved daddy. I'm uninvolved too. Can I be the son? If so, who shall we pick to be the holy ghost? :-p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/26/2009 11:03:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > dan330033@ writes: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anything be for real? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thing cannot be real. > > > > > > > > Nor is it unreal, as there is no real thing to compare it with. > > > > > > > > Thus, to dismiss a thing as unreal gives it an unreality that is as > > > > useless as regarding it as real. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dan > > > > That's been my 'issue' with real/unreal too; it only applies within the > > > > illusion where nothing is real and there's no-thing 'outside' of the illusion > > > > on which to base the notion of real/unreal. It's just the mind that wants > > > > to separate real from unreal, which is, itself, 'unreal'. How does a dream > > > > character look around at a dreamscape and separate the real from the > > > > unreal? It's meaningless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If you can sit it on the table.......it's real. > > > If you can't......it isn't. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan Cox > > > > Nah. > > > > There are people who believe they are sitting on a table, and they aren't. > > > > -- D. > > > > > That's the point. > > > > > > toombaru you're the point. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/26/2009 11:03:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > > dan330033@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anything be for real? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thing cannot be real. > > > > > > > > > > Nor is it unreal, as there is no real thing to compare it with. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, to dismiss a thing as unreal gives it an unreality that is as > > > > > useless as regarding it as real. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dan > > > > > That's been my 'issue' with real/unreal too; it only applies within the > > > > > illusion where nothing is real and there's no-thing 'outside' of the illusion > > > > > on which to base the notion of real/unreal. It's just the mind that wants > > > > > to separate real from unreal, which is, itself, 'unreal'. How does a dream > > > > > character look around at a dreamscape and separate the real from the > > > > > unreal? It's meaningless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If you can sit it on the table.......it's real. > > > > If you can't......it isn't. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan Cox > > > > > > Nah. > > > > > > There are people who believe they are sitting on a table, and they aren't. > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > That's the point. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > you're the point. > > > -- D. He knows it... he just needs others to remind him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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