Time to realize my true nature?

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Dan: Bubbles burst and blow away in the wind.

The human experience.

> >

>

>

Anna: Much love to you both, Atagrasin and Dan...

 

I'm pleased your bubbles of being have not burst into thin air

and we still meet in the hear and now.

 

Atagrasin: Hi Anna,thanks for your lovely welcoming.Nice to meet you again. I´m

finishing " Ten poems " by Roger Housden.Your perseverance [by you example] paid

off.

 

Atagrasin

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if one of you claim there are two of you so enlightened..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you are befogged.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it matters little which one.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > both are deluded.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > As Henny Youngman once said:

> > > > >

> > > > > Take my 'lude ... please.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Love to you and All -

> > > > >

> > > > > De-luded, De-livered, and De-lightful Dan

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > henny youngman is dead.

> > > >

> > > > so are quaaludes.

> > > >

> > > > ,b b,b,

> > >

> > >

> > > and so are you.

> >

> >

> > how would 'you " know?

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> the dead bury their dead.

>

> here, use this shovel.

 

 

 

to be fair i will respond intelligently..

 

even to unintelligent treatment like that.

 

you are unsuccessful in attempting this theft of " my " life.

 

you make " me " giggle.

 

" the robbed that smiles..

 

steals something from the thief. "

 

-William Shakespeare

 

oh awaken my child!

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " atagrasin " <k1c2@> wrote:

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> > > In the book " I AM THAT " Nisargadatta Maharaj is quoted as saying " It took

me

> > > only three years to realize my true nature. " His supposed " dharma

> > > heir " ,Sailor Bob and co,apparently, are claming that you don´t need time

to

> > > realize your " true nature " . Any comments?

> > >

> > > Atagrasin

> > >

> > Geo: I would say each insight into the true nature of existence is a flash,

> > always new....

> > The organism may take time to change, but that should not be your concern.

> > Go as deep as you can

> > on each flash...alwasys deep. Who am I?

> > -geo-

> >

> > Atagrasin:If we accepts Maharaj´s own testimony about his realization in

three years as final and complete [ " full stop " as Sailor Bob says]then, where we

are going to put your argument about a " progresive "

> > " flash by flash " way? Maybe this was what happens in those three years, but

who really knows?

> >

> > We first need to know, to what Maharaj was referring, with his statement

about " realizing in three years my true nature " ,and there seems to be, that

nobody here [in his own group]knows the answer.But what we really know is that

language produce the appearance of choice and control.Then if our expectation

are met,we claim responsability for an " achievement " , be this spiritual or not,

missing the point that our theorical constructions [including ,future

realizations and a " me " that had realize something,in time]are only structures

of interpretations and representations.

> >

> > In other words,imaginations and abstractions in reference to nothing outside

of themselves.In this sense Dan and Toomboru are echoing ,the middle way

Buddhism when it says that, there is not a " true nature " if by " true nature " we

mean an autonomous substance,entity,or something with inherent existence.

> >

> > Atagrasin

>

> What do I know first-hand?

>

> What do I know directly, " so " - now.

>

> What doesn't take time, isn't constructed by me or anyone else.

>

> Nisargardatta constructed a statement.

>

> You constructed a reaction.

>

> Words were offered and read.

>

> All involving time and construction.

>

> What was never constructed - say anything about it, yea or nay, and you are

involved in constructing.

>

> How are you going to say it?

>

> How to tell about it?

>

> How to tell when there isn't anyone to report it to?

>

> This has nothing to do with anything Nisargadatta ever said, nor with anything

he experienced, or any particular hero of yours who you think is nondual.

>

> I know directly.

>

> I post here because I'm human and communicate.

>

> I know directly and know the human being for what it is.

>

> Bubbles burst and blow away in the wind.

>

> The human experience.

 

 

oh!

 

are you a......gawwwwd??!!

 

hahahahaaaaaaaaaa!

 

that's funny stuff danny.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

 

> Much love to you both, Atagrasin and Dan...

>

> I'm pleased your bubbles of being have not burst into thin air

> and we still meet in the hear and now.

>

>

> ~A

 

Mine has.

 

I am the thin air.

 

The meeting is illusory.

 

And I enjoy it.

 

Nice not meeting you here!

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Nisargadatta , " atagrasin " <k1c2 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " atagrasin " <k1c2@> wrote:

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> > > Nisargardatta constructed a statement.

> > >

> > > You constructed a reaction.

> >

> > Dan apparently contructed a reaction to an apparent reaction.

> > >

> > > Words were offered and read.

> > >

> > > All involving time and construction.

> > >

> > > What was never constructed - say anything about it, yea or nay, and you

are involved in constructing.

> >

> >

> Atagrasin: Welcome to the construction, fellow laborer.

 

I'm being constructed here, now, for your viewing pleasure.

 

These fingers appeared to type a note, just for you.

 

You appeared, just to read it.

 

All effortless, no?

 

Not even a second of labor involved.

 

Marvelous!

 

> > > How are you going to say it?

> > >

> > > How to tell about it?

> > >

> > > How to tell when there isn't anyone to report it to?

> >

> Atagrasin: There is no anyone to report it or to not report it. [worth the

clarifying]

 

So nothing was ever said.

 

> > > This has nothing to do with anything Nisargadatta ever said, nor with

anything he experienced, or any particular hero of yours who you think is

nondual.

>

> Atagrasin; Asking a question in the Nisargadatta group, about a statement made

by Nisargadatta himself, give you the impression that Nisargadatta is my hero?

You seem to be the " master builder " .

 

Not really. I was just kidding.

 

> > > I know directly.

> >

> > > I post here because I'm human and communicate.

>

> Atagrasin: Do you know directly that you are a human being?

 

Sure. And I'm happy to be one. At your service.

 

Just for you. To type this response.

 

How long am I human?

 

I don't think your watch is able to record it.

 

>.Or this is only an inference colored by imagination and asociated with

sensations? You don´t post here, " because " ........The posting seems to happens

, ipso facto, and we cannot track any particular cause for this happening.

 

You can say what you want about it.

 

It's not like it " really " matters.

 

You haven't defined it. Neither have I.

 

However we explain it is just a matter of convenience.

 

Nothing's explained, doesn't need to be.

 

> Are you concious of being a human 24 hours a day? For example, in deep sleep

are you concious of being a human?.You are claiming to be a human, then Im

refering to clock hours.If not,are your a human only part time? If so,then what

you are in the breaks? Human being is only a role,an interpretation not what I

really am.[spirituality 101]

 

Human being is a construct.

 

Nanosecond to nanosecond.

 

Inter-correlatedly inter-constructed with every other construct at every

apparent level co-inter-determined nanosecond to nanosecond.

 

And of course, the nanoseconds also are constructed in the same way.

 

> > > I know directly and know the human being for what it is.

> > >

> > > Bubbles burst and blow away in the wind.

> > >

> > > The human experience.

>

> Atagrasin: Now you have changed the cartoons.But,are you not the " wind " too?

Interdependent arrising, interdependent extinction,both and neither

 

Indeedy yes.

 

And no " you " necessary to " be that. "

 

Bingo!

 

Smiles.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

 

>

> to be fair i will respond intelligently..

>

> even to unintelligent treatment like that.

>

> you are unsuccessful in attempting this theft of " my " life.

>

> you make " me " giggle.

>

> " the robbed that smiles..

>

> steals something from the thief. "

>

> -William Shakespeare

>

> oh awaken my child!

>

> .b b.b.

 

silly!

>

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

 

> oh!

>

> are you a......gawwwwd??!!

>

> hahahahaaaaaaaaaa!

>

> that's funny stuff danny.

>

> .b b.b.

 

glad we're finally in agreement.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

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> >

> > to be fair i will respond intelligently..

> >

> > even to unintelligent treatment like that.

> >

> > you are unsuccessful in attempting this theft of " my " life.

> >

> > you make " me " giggle.

> >

> > " the robbed that smiles..

> >

> > steals something from the thief. "

> >

> > -William Shakespeare

> >

> > oh awaken my child!

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> silly!

 

 

 

therein lies a glimmer of light.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

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> > oh!

> >

> > are you a......gawwwwd??!!

> >

> > hahahahaaaaaaaaaa!

> >

> > that's funny stuff danny.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> glad we're finally in agreement.

 

 

you're assuming again.

 

you're once again incorrect in your assumption.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > > oh!

> > >

> > > are you a......gawwwwd??!!

> > >

> > > hahahahaaaaaaaaaa!

> > >

> > > that's funny stuff danny.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> >

> > glad we're finally in agreement.

>

>

> you're assuming again.

>

> you're once again incorrect in your assumption.

 

From here, you fellers are both " projecting " ;-). After all, nothing else is

possible/

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > > oh!

> > >

> > > are you a......gawwwwd??!!

> > >

> > > hahahahaaaaaaaaaa!

> > >

> > > that's funny stuff danny.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> >

> > glad we're finally in agreement.

>

>

> you're assuming again.

>

> you're once again incorrect in your assumption.

>

> .b b.b.

 

i assume nothing.

 

you're silly.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > oh!

> > > >

> > > > are you a......gawwwwd??!!

> > > >

> > > > hahahahaaaaaaaaaa!

> > > >

> > > > that's funny stuff danny.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > glad we're finally in agreement.

> >

> >

> > you're assuming again.

> >

> > you're once again incorrect in your assumption.

>

> From here, you fellers are both " projecting " ;-). After all, nothing else is

possible/

 

the impossible that is.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > oh!

> > > > >

> > > > > are you a......gawwwwd??!!

> > > > >

> > > > > hahahahaaaaaaaaaa!

> > > > >

> > > > > that's funny stuff danny.

> > > > >

> > > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > > > glad we're finally in agreement.

> > >

> > >

> > > you're assuming again.

> > >

> > > you're once again incorrect in your assumption.

> >

> > From here, you fellers are both " projecting " ;-). After all, nothing else

is possible/

>

> the impossible that is.

 

What?

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Pattern? What's a pattern?

Something like a melody, perhaps?

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > oh!

> > > >

> > > > are you a......gawwwwd??!!

> > > >

> > > > hahahahaaaaaaaaaa!

> > > >

> > > > that's funny stuff danny.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > glad we're finally in agreement.

> >

> >

> > you're assuming again.

> >

> > you're once again incorrect in your assumption.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> i assume nothing.

>

> you're silly.

 

 

 

 

 

i assume nothing.

 

you're stupid.

 

neither of us has to assume stuuf that evident.

 

but you did assume that agreement stuff.

 

and you're still wrong.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > oh!

> > > > >

> > > > > are you a......gawwwwd??!!

> > > > >

> > > > > hahahahaaaaaaaaaa!

> > > > >

> > > > > that's funny stuff danny.

> > > > >

> > > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > > > glad we're finally in agreement.

> > >

> > >

> > > you're assuming again.

> > >

> > > you're once again incorrect in your assumption.

> >

> > From here, you fellers are both " projecting " ;-). After all, nothing else

is possible/

>

> the impossible that is.

 

 

it's not possible for anything to be impossible.

 

how could an impossible thing even be talked about?

 

if it's said to be impossible..

 

that's an impossible statement of fact.

 

liar!

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , Ricardo Almon <ricardo.almon wrote:

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> Pattern? What's a pattern?

> >

> > Something like a melody, perhaps?

>

 

 

An overlapping memory that is used as a reference point in the perceptual chaos

out of which the sense of self emerges.

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

 

> > >

> > > From here, you fellers are both " projecting " ;-). After all, nothing else

is possible/

> >

> > the impossible that is.

>

> What?

 

The impossible is possible.

 

Each moment arises as is, and conversing occurs.

 

Nothing is actually projected.

 

There isn't a projector existing apart from a screen to make a projection.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

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> > > >

> > > > From here, you fellers are both " projecting " ;-). After all, nothing

else is possible/

> > >

> > > the impossible that is.

> >

> > What?

>

> The impossible is possible.

>

> Each moment arises as is, and conversing occurs.

>

> Nothing is actually projected.

>

> There isn't a projector existing apart from a screen to make a projection.

 

 

oh for christ sakes there's none of that stuff.

 

quit droning on about old metaphors.

 

it's quite boring.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

 

>

>

> oh for christ sakes there's none of that stuff.

>

> quit droning on about old metaphors.

>

> it's quite boring.

>

> .b b.b.

 

i'm not responsible for your feelings of boredom, bob.

 

it's funny that tim felt bored by something i said and then left the list.

 

wow.

 

i didn't realize i had such power!

 

you're not going to leave the list because you got bored by a post.

 

you're different than tim in that way.

 

ha!

 

love to you and all --

 

boring dan (lmao)

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

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> >

> >

> > oh for christ sakes there's none of that stuff.

> >

> > quit droning on about old metaphors.

> >

> > it's quite boring.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> i'm not responsible for your feelings of boredom, bob.

 

 

 

you aren't responsible for anything.

 

you have no power this or any other way.

 

what you do doesn't affect me.

 

but it's boring all the same.

 

 

 

 

>

> it's funny that tim felt bored by something i said and then left the list.

>

> wow.

>

> i didn't realize i had such power!

 

 

 

 

you don't.

 

read the above.

 

i'm not leaving the list.

 

you are easily thrilled.

 

this is understandable.

 

 

 

> you're not going to leave the list because you got bored by a post.

>

> you're different than tim in that way.

>

> ha!

 

 

 

i am not..

 

that is..

 

it is not possible that i can be different..

 

or the same as anyone " else "

 

you seem to be lost in the discussions here.

 

this will pass.

 

 

 

 

 

 

> love to you and all --

>

> boring dan (lmao)

 

 

yes.

 

..b b.b.

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>

> Pattern? What's a pattern?

> >

> > Something like a melody, perhaps?

>

 

An overlapping memory that is used as a reference point in the perceptual

chaos out of which the sense of self emerges.

 

toombaru

 

That is the patterning issuing from a self centered man, yes. There are

several fields

of patterning. For a man that transcended the organic-based-center, there is

another field of patterns.

It is a more " fixed " one. It is the patterns of the human world. Trees,

winds, stars, bodies...all

are empty patterns in this human world. The later will completely dissolve

only with the ending

of the body. And thenfinally there is the patterning issuing/seen from the

ground: all manifested or non-manifested

unlimited possibilities. All empty of being.

-geo-