no doer of ego....nobody doing anything for real/-- no nothing for real

March 31, 2009

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > > Yes.

> > > The night in Las Vegas that I mentioned I had been thinking about the fact

that no'thing' actually existed as a separate, distinct entity,

> > >

> > > That in fact there was no such thing as a " mountain " a " river " or the

state of " Texas " .

> > > I had mistakenly taken 100 mg of my wife's topamax instead of my 40 mg of

Lipator and woke up in an extremely confused and anxious state of mind.

> > >

> > > I knew that " things " did not exist but the question arose concerning the

holder of things......namely " me " .

> > >

> > > If things did not exist.....neither did I.

> > >

> > > My mind recoiled and retreated back to the familiar.

> > >

> > > Like a balky horse, it refused to go any further.

> > >

> > > Something interjected the thought that I has sought just such a

confrontation with Reality my whole life and that perhaps I should just go along

with the event and see what happened.

> > >

> > > It might not come again.

> > >

> > > I allowed the idea concerning the essential emptiness of the holder of

things to percolate down through the synapses and after a while it gained power

and the confusion, fear and anxiety increased until it was unbearable.

> > >

> > > I thought that death was entirely possible but didn't have the will or

ability to stop the momentum of what was happening.

> > >

> > > The entire structure of the known-familiar world seemed to be breaking

apart.

> > >

> > > Had I been able.....I would have cried out for help......but I was

immobilized.

> > >

> > > After the mind-storm.....Awareness.....opened onto the Flowing......a vast

pristine-edgelessness.........indescribably grand beyond the limits of the

conceptual context.

> > >

> > > It's still there.......underneath the conceptual overlay.

> >

> > acid did that for me...or not me.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

> I had a hospice client that was the most peaceful man that I have ever known.

>

> Everyone who met him loved him beyond measure.

>

> One day I asked him why he was so content.

>

> He thought for a long time and then told me that when he was a young man he

took acid only one time on the beach in Hawaii.

>

> He said that the world turned inside out.......and stayed that way.

>

> Everything seemed to be outside and inside who he was.

>

> He died of A.L.S. and never complained once.

>

> toombaru

who could he have complained to?

..b b.b.

March 31, 2009

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> > >

> > > It came through.

> > > It looks like a fun read.

> > > I'll get back to ya.

> > >

> > I'd be thrilled.

> > You'd be the first one I know

> > that has also seen it.

> >

> > There's there's one particular

> > assertion he makes that is quite

> > surprising, and I can guarantee

> > that it will be totally new to you.

> > And his work is very rigorous, deeply

> > grounded in scientific research.

> >

> > I believe he refers to the work as

> > as philosophy of neuro-science.

> >

>

> Sometimes I have to read something a couple of times for it come through.

>

> :-)

>

> I'll get back to you.

>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > But for " myself " nothing comes to mind at all. " Myself " is not an

> > > > > object in this phenomenal space. In fact nothing is really an

object

> > > > > in this phenomenal space. There is nothing specific and nothing

> > > > > stands still or persists.

> > >

> > > Yes.

> > > The night in Las Vegas that I mentioned I had been thinking about the fact

that no'thing' actually existed as a separate, distinct entity,

> > >

> > > That in fact there was no such thing as a " mountain " a " river " or the

state of " Texas " .

> > > I had mistakenly taken 100 mg of my wife's topamax instead of my 40 mg of

Lipator and woke up in an extremely confused and anxious state of mind.

> > >

> > > I knew that " things " did not exist but the question arose concerning the

holder of things......namely " me " .

> > >

> > > If things did not exist.....neither did I.

> > >

> > > My mind recoiled and retreated back to the familiar.

> >

> > I am wired differently in that regard. I'm more comfortable

> > with the blazing unknown than with human kind. I used to

> > hike up into a remote end of the Catalina mountain range

> > when I lived in Tucson. I would purposely choose the

> > most rugged and least vegetated end of the range because

> > other people would not be there. And there would be wild

> > sheep at that end of the range, choosing it for the same

> > reason that I did. In the evening I would look down on the

> > city and imagine the many warm hearths and gatherings of

> > people below, and think how I was so much more at home up

> > on some craggy ridge with blowing wind than I would be

> > down there in the midst of human kind.

>

Very few enter these waters.

> To most they appear dark and foreboding.

> And for the assumption of self............they are.

> For it there is nothing to win.......and everything to lose.

> This is the most terrifying adventure that the mind can attempt.

> It makes everything else in the dream pale in comparison.

> I admire people on these list more than I can say.

>

> > >

> > > Like a balky horse, it refused to go any further.

> >

> > that's a great line....

> >

> > > Something interjected the thought that I had sought just such a

confrontation with Reality my whole life and that perhaps I should just go along

with the event and see what happened.

> > >

> > > It might not come again.

> > >

> > > I allowed the idea concerning the essential emptiness of the holder of

things to percolate down through the synapses and after a while it gained power

and the confusion, fear and anxiety increased until it was unbearable.

> > >

> > > I thought that death was entirely possible but didn't have the will or

ability to stop the momentum of what was happening.

> > >

> > > The entire structure of the known-familiar world seemed to be breaking

apart.

> > >

> > > Had I been able.....I would have cried out for help......but I was

immobilized.

> > >

> > > After the mind-storm.....Awareness.....opened onto the Flowing......a vast

pristine-edgelessness.........indescribably grand beyond the limits of the

conceptual context.

> > >

> > > It's still there.......underneath the conceptual overlay.

> >

> > And it was there before, don't you think?

>

> Yes.

>

> I was more familiar than an old photo album.

>

The difference that

> > experience made was than you became conscious of that

> > dimension, and -- I expect -- did not find it so alien

> > after all... that in a deep sense that is more home to

> > you than anything else you've ever experienced. You cannot

> > come to that except by yourself, and it is a given that our

> > journey in this world is essentially a solitary one, so

> > that experience introduced you to a new kind of intimacy

> > with something that is more fundamental for you than your very

> > existence as a human being.

>

> One time I asked Eli Jaxon Bear if it was a choice.

>

> He looked at me a long time and said:

>

> " Yes! "

>

> Now I believe that he was right.

>

> I may be the only " choice' that the conceptual mind can ever make.

>

> > Am I just projecting or does that resonate?

>

> It does.

>

> > >

> > > We're off the see 'Monsters and Aliens " with the grandbabies.

> > >

> > > What could be grander than that!!!!!

> > >

> > > love t.

> > >

> > > Will get to the second half of your post after we return.

> > >

> > > love

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> > > Boy.......this is fun.

> > >

> > I'm delighted you are enjoying it because

> > I sure am...

> >

> > This is very special because we are

> > both being blazingly open. A recipe

> > for magic.

> >

> > Bill

>

More and more the openness invites more openness.

>

toombaru

opener and opener it gets kimosabe.

there is no such thing as openest.

..b b.b.

March 31, 2009

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > > Yes.

> > > The night in Las Vegas that I mentioned I had been thinking about the fact

that no'thing' actually existed as a separate, distinct entity,

> > >

> > > That in fact there was no such thing as a " mountain " a " river " or the

state of " Texas " .

> > > I had mistakenly taken 100 mg of my wife's topamax instead of my 40 mg of

Lipator and woke up in an extremely confused and anxious state of mind.

> > >

> > > I knew that " things " did not exist but the question arose concerning the

holder of things......namely " me " .

> > >

> > > If things did not exist.....neither did I.

> > >

> > > My mind recoiled and retreated back to the familiar.

> > >

> > > Like a balky horse, it refused to go any further.

> > >

> > > Something interjected the thought that I has sought just such a

confrontation with Reality my whole life and that perhaps I should just go along

with the event and see what happened.

> > >

> > > It might not come again.

> > >

> > > I allowed the idea concerning the essential emptiness of the holder of

things to percolate down through the synapses and after a while it gained power

and the confusion, fear and anxiety increased until it was unbearable.

> > >

> > > I thought that death was entirely possible but didn't have the will or

ability to stop the momentum of what was happening.

> > >

> > > The entire structure of the known-familiar world seemed to be breaking

apart.

> > >

> > > Had I been able.....I would have cried out for help......but I was

immobilized.

> > >

> > > After the mind-storm.....Awareness.....opened onto the Flowing......a vast

pristine-edgelessness.........indescribably grand beyond the limits of the

conceptual context.

> > >

> > > It's still there.......underneath the conceptual overlay.

> >

> > acid did that for me...or not me.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

> are this the guys from the movie " Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas " talking in

here....?

>

> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/FandlinLV.jpg

>

> lol

>

> Marc

you never know.

..b b.b.

March 31, 2009

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Yes.

> > > > The night in Las Vegas that I mentioned I had been thinking about the

fact that no'thing' actually existed as a separate, distinct entity,

> > > >

> > > > That in fact there was no such thing as a " mountain " a " river " or the

state of " Texas " .

> > > > I had mistakenly taken 100 mg of my wife's topamax instead of my 40 mg

of Lipator and woke up in an extremely confused and anxious state of mind.

> > > >

> > > > I knew that " things " did not exist but the question arose concerning the

holder of things......namely " me " .

> > > >

> > > > If things did not exist.....neither did I.

> > > >

> > > > My mind recoiled and retreated back to the familiar.

> > > >

> > > > Like a balky horse, it refused to go any further.

> > > >

> > > > Something interjected the thought that I has sought just such a

confrontation with Reality my whole life and that perhaps I should just go along

with the event and see what happened.

> > > >

> > > > It might not come again.

> > > >

> > > > I allowed the idea concerning the essential emptiness of the holder of

things to percolate down through the synapses and after a while it gained power

and the confusion, fear and anxiety increased until it was unbearable.

> > > >

> > > > I thought that death was entirely possible but didn't have the will or

ability to stop the momentum of what was happening.

> > > >

> > > > The entire structure of the known-familiar world seemed to be breaking

apart.

> > > >

> > > > Had I been able.....I would have cried out for help......but I was

immobilized.

> > > >

> > > > After the mind-storm.....Awareness.....opened onto the Flowing......a

vast pristine-edgelessness.........indescribably grand beyond the limits of the

conceptual context.

> > > >

> > > > It's still there.......underneath the conceptual overlay.

> > >

> > > acid did that for me...or not me.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> >

> > are this the guys from the movie " Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas " talking in

here....?

> >

> > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/FandlinLV.jpg

> >

> > lol

> >

> > Marc

>

> you never know.

>

> .b b.b.

who could (n)ever know what?....and why?....

....

everything is known, since endless times

some know It

some don't know It

.....

Marc

>

March 31, 2009

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Yes.

> > > > > The night in Las Vegas that I mentioned I had been thinking about the

fact that no'thing' actually existed as a separate, distinct entity,

> > > > >

> > > > > That in fact there was no such thing as a " mountain " a " river " or the

state of " Texas " .

> > > > > I had mistakenly taken 100 mg of my wife's topamax instead of my 40 mg

of Lipator and woke up in an extremely confused and anxious state of mind.

> > > > >

> > > > > I knew that " things " did not exist but the question arose concerning

the holder of things......namely " me " .

> > > > >

> > > > > If things did not exist.....neither did I.

> > > > >

> > > > > My mind recoiled and retreated back to the familiar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Like a balky horse, it refused to go any further.

> > > > >

> > > > > Something interjected the thought that I has sought just such a

confrontation with Reality my whole life and that perhaps I should just go along

with the event and see what happened.

> > > > >

> > > > > It might not come again.

> > > > >

> > > > > I allowed the idea concerning the essential emptiness of the holder of

things to percolate down through the synapses and after a while it gained power

and the confusion, fear and anxiety increased until it was unbearable.

> > > > >

> > > > > I thought that death was entirely possible but didn't have the will or

ability to stop the momentum of what was happening.

> > > > >

> > > > > The entire structure of the known-familiar world seemed to be breaking

apart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Had I been able.....I would have cried out for help......but I was

immobilized.

> > > > >

> > > > > After the mind-storm.....Awareness.....opened onto the Flowing......a

vast pristine-edgelessness.........indescribably grand beyond the limits of the

conceptual context.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's still there.......underneath the conceptual overlay.

> > > >

> > > > acid did that for me...or not me.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > >

> > > are this the guys from the movie " Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas " talking

in here....?

> > >

> > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/FandlinLV.jpg

> > >

> > > lol

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> > you never know.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> who could (n)ever know what?....and why?....

>

> ...

>

> everything is known, since endless times

>

> some know It

>

> some don't know It

>

> ....

>

> Marc

baba knows all things.

there are no such things as things.

there is nothing.

baba knows nothing.

do you find the deduction difficult?

..b b.b.

March 31, 2009

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Yes.

> > > > > > The night in Las Vegas that I mentioned I had been thinking about

the fact that no'thing' actually existed as a separate, distinct entity,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That in fact there was no such thing as a " mountain " a " river " or

the state of " Texas " .

> > > > > > I had mistakenly taken 100 mg of my wife's topamax instead of my 40

mg of Lipator and woke up in an extremely confused and anxious state of mind.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I knew that " things " did not exist but the question arose concerning

the holder of things......namely " me " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If things did not exist.....neither did I.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My mind recoiled and retreated back to the familiar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Like a balky horse, it refused to go any further.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Something interjected the thought that I has sought just such a

confrontation with Reality my whole life and that perhaps I should just go along

with the event and see what happened.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It might not come again.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I allowed the idea concerning the essential emptiness of the holder

of things to percolate down through the synapses and after a while it gained

power and the confusion, fear and anxiety increased until it was unbearable.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I thought that death was entirely possible but didn't have the will

or ability to stop the momentum of what was happening.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The entire structure of the known-familiar world seemed to be

breaking apart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Had I been able.....I would have cried out for help......but I was

immobilized.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After the mind-storm.....Awareness.....opened onto the

Flowing......a vast pristine-edgelessness.........indescribably grand beyond the

limits of the conceptual context.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It's still there.......underneath the conceptual overlay.

> > > > >

> > > > > acid did that for me...or not me.

> > > > >

> > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > are this the guys from the movie " Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas "

talking in here....?

> > > >

> > > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/FandlinLV.jpg

> > > >

> > > > lol

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > > you never know.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> >

> > who could (n)ever know what?....and why?....

> >

> > ...

> >

> > everything is known, since endless times

> >

> > some know It

> >

> > some don't know It

> >

> > ....

> >

> > Marc

>

> baba knows all things.

>

> there are no such things as things.

>

> there is nothing.

>

> baba knows nothing.

>

> do you find the deduction difficult?

>

> .b b.b.

>

there is no " baba " or " bbb " who knows nothing

Marc

March 31, 2009

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes.

> > > > > > > The night in Las Vegas that I mentioned I had been thinking about

the fact that no'thing' actually existed as a separate, distinct entity,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That in fact there was no such thing as a " mountain " a " river " or

the state of " Texas " .

> > > > > > > I had mistakenly taken 100 mg of my wife's topamax instead of my

40 mg of Lipator and woke up in an extremely confused and anxious state of mind.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I knew that " things " did not exist but the question arose

concerning the holder of things......namely " me " .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If things did not exist.....neither did I.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My mind recoiled and retreated back to the familiar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Like a balky horse, it refused to go any further.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Something interjected the thought that I has sought just such a

confrontation with Reality my whole life and that perhaps I should just go along

with the event and see what happened.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It might not come again.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I allowed the idea concerning the essential emptiness of the

holder of things to percolate down through the synapses and after a while it

gained power and the confusion, fear and anxiety increased until it was

unbearable.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I thought that death was entirely possible but didn't have the

will or ability to stop the momentum of what was happening.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The entire structure of the known-familiar world seemed to be

breaking apart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Had I been able.....I would have cried out for help......but I was

immobilized.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > After the mind-storm.....Awareness.....opened onto the

Flowing......a vast pristine-edgelessness.........indescribably grand beyond the

limits of the conceptual context.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It's still there.......underneath the conceptual overlay.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > acid did that for me...or not me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > are this the guys from the movie " Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas "

talking in here....?

> > > > >

> > > > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/FandlinLV.jpg

> > > > >

> > > > > lol

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > you never know.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > who could (n)ever know what?....and why?....

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > everything is known, since endless times

> > >

> > > some know It

> > >

> > > some don't know It

> > >

> > > ....

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> > baba knows all things.

> >

> > there are no such things as things.

> >

> > there is nothing.

> >

> > baba knows nothing.

> >

> > do you find the deduction difficult?

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

> there is no " baba " or " bbb " who knows nothing

>

> Marc

that's nothing.

..b b.b.

March 31, 2009

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes.

> > > > > > > > The night in Las Vegas that I mentioned I had been thinking

about the fact that no'thing' actually existed as a separate, distinct entity,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That in fact there was no such thing as a " mountain " a " river "

or the state of " Texas " .

> > > > > > > > I had mistakenly taken 100 mg of my wife's topamax instead of my

40 mg of Lipator and woke up in an extremely confused and anxious state of mind.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I knew that " things " did not exist but the question arose

concerning the holder of things......namely " me " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If things did not exist.....neither did I.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My mind recoiled and retreated back to the familiar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Like a balky horse, it refused to go any further.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Something interjected the thought that I has sought just such a

confrontation with Reality my whole life and that perhaps I should just go along

with the event and see what happened.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It might not come again.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I allowed the idea concerning the essential emptiness of the

holder of things to percolate down through the synapses and after a while it

gained power and the confusion, fear and anxiety increased until it was

unbearable.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I thought that death was entirely possible but didn't have the

will or ability to stop the momentum of what was happening.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The entire structure of the known-familiar world seemed to be

breaking apart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Had I been able.....I would have cried out for help......but I

was immobilized.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > After the mind-storm.....Awareness.....opened onto the

Flowing......a vast pristine-edgelessness.........indescribably grand beyond the

limits of the conceptual context.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It's still there.......underneath the conceptual overlay.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > acid did that for me...or not me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > are this the guys from the movie " Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas "

talking in here....?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/FandlinLV.jpg

> > > > > >

> > > > > > lol

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > > you never know.

> > > > >

> > > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > > > who could (n)ever know what?....and why?....

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > everything is known, since endless times

> > > >

> > > > some know It

> > > >

> > > > some don't know It

> > > >

> > > > ....

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > > baba knows all things.

> > >

> > > there are no such things as things.

> > >

> > > there is nothing.

> > >

> > > baba knows nothing.

> > >

> > > do you find the deduction difficult?

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> >

> > there is no " baba " or " bbb " who knows nothing

> >

> > Marc

>

> that's nothing.

>

> .b b.b.

>

si si....where there is No " bbb " who could(n't) know anything....

there is everything (known)

Marc

April 1, 2009

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes.

> > > > > > > > > The night in Las Vegas that I mentioned I had been thinking

about the fact that no'thing' actually existed as a separate, distinct entity,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > That in fact there was no such thing as a " mountain " a " river "

or the state of " Texas " .

> > > > > > > > > I had mistakenly taken 100 mg of my wife's topamax instead of

my 40 mg of Lipator and woke up in an extremely confused and anxious state of

mind.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I knew that " things " did not exist but the question arose

concerning the holder of things......namely " me " .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If things did not exist.....neither did I.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My mind recoiled and retreated back to the familiar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Like a balky horse, it refused to go any further.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Something interjected the thought that I has sought just such

a confrontation with Reality my whole life and that perhaps I should just go

along with the event and see what happened.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It might not come again.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I allowed the idea concerning the essential emptiness of the

holder of things to percolate down through the synapses and after a while it

gained power and the confusion, fear and anxiety increased until it was

unbearable.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I thought that death was entirely possible but didn't have the

will or ability to stop the momentum of what was happening.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The entire structure of the known-familiar world seemed to be

breaking apart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Had I been able.....I would have cried out for help......but I

was immobilized.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > After the mind-storm.....Awareness.....opened onto the

Flowing......a vast pristine-edgelessness.........indescribably grand beyond the

limits of the conceptual context.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It's still there.......underneath the conceptual overlay.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > acid did that for me...or not me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > are this the guys from the movie " Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas "

talking in here....?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/FandlinLV.jpg

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > lol

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you never know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > >

> > > > > who could (n)ever know what?....and why?....

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > > everything is known, since endless times

> > > > >

> > > > > some know It

> > > > >

> > > > > some don't know It

> > > > >

> > > > > ....

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > baba knows all things.

> > > >

> > > > there are no such things as things.

> > > >

> > > > there is nothing.

> > > >

> > > > baba knows nothing.

> > > >

> > > > do you find the deduction difficult?

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > >

> > > there is no " baba " or " bbb " who knows nothing

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> > that's nothing.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

> si si....where there is No " bbb " who could(n't) know anything....

>

> there is everything (known)

>

> Marc

oui..mais non.

there is no such thing as nothing..

there is no such thing as everything..

there is no such thing as no such thing.

is " no " a thing?

if so..there is no no.

and you can take that to the bank.

banks are worthless too.

..b b.b.

(the no such thing king)

April 1, 2009

<snip>

> >

> > To me they are not crocodiles, Marc.

> > I love working with those people.

> >

> > Bill

> >

>

> love, that's all you need to work with those people, yes

>

> there is nothing else realy you can do....

>

> you have no choice, anyway....

>

> Marc

>

when people feel truly seen

via that great lens of perception Silence

magic can happen

and it is such authentic beholding

that is love

love is not sentiment

love is not emotion

Bill

April 1, 2009

Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> <snip>

>

> > >

> > > To me they are not crocodiles, Marc.

> > > I love working with those people.

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> >

> > love, that's all you need to work with those people, yes

> >

> > there is nothing else realy you can do....

> >

> > you have no choice, anyway....

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

> when people feel truly seen

> via that great lens of perception Silence

> magic can happen

>

> and it is such authentic beholding

> that is love

>

> love is not sentiment

> love is not emotion

>

> Bill

>

No,but so close you only missed it by a mind

love is nothing.

Mark

April 1, 2009

Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> <snip>

>

> > >

> > > To me they are not crocodiles, Marc.

> > > I love working with those people.

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> >

> > love, that's all you need to work with those people, yes

> >

> > there is nothing else realy you can do....

> >

> > you have no choice, anyway....

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

> when people feel truly seen

> via that great lens of perception Silence

> magic can happen

>

> and it is such authentic beholding

> that is love

>

> love is not sentiment

> love is not emotion

>

> Bill

What " is " magic?

..b b.b.

April 1, 2009

recently i came across a story about Ramakrishna- one day his disciple came alongwith his concubine to meet him. Out of disgust Ramakrishna told him that what is the use of the knowledge of Brahman he has gained from the teachings when he has fallen prey to bodily pleasure.

The disciple responded that after realization that the world is an illusion & he is a witness, indulgence in any pleasure activities does not have impact on him. Ramakrishna said that this realization is also an illusion

created by the mind, the knowledge of Brahman arises in samadhi where "i " also gets dissolved in Brahman.

-mahesh

dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33Nisargadatta Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:09:45 PM Re: no doer of ego....nobody doing anything for real/--> no nothing for real

Nisargadatta, "roberibus111" <Roberibus111@ ...> wrote:>> > > > Yes.> > The night in Las Vegas that I mentioned I had been thinking about the fact that no'thing' actually existed as a separate, distinct entity,> > > > That in fact there was no such thing as a "mountain" a "river" or the state of "Texas".> > I had mistakenly taken 100 mg of my wife's topamax instead of my 40 mg of Lipator and woke up in an extremely confused and anxious state of mind.> > > > I knew that "things" did not exist but the question arose concerning the holder of things...... namely "me".> > > > If things did not exist.....neither did I.> > > > My mind recoiled and retreated back to the

familiar.> > > > Like a balky horse, it refused to go any further.> > > > Something interjected the thought that I has sought just such a confrontation with Reality my whole life and that perhaps I should just go along with the event and see what happened.> > > > It might not come again.> > > > I allowed the idea concerning the essential emptiness of the holder of things to percolate down through the synapses and after a while it gained power and the confusion, fear and anxiety increased until it was unbearable.> > > > I thought that death was entirely possible but didn't have the will or ability to stop the momentum of what was happening.> > > > The entire structure of the known-familiar world seemed to be breaking apart.> > > > Had I been able......I would have cried out for help......but I was immobilized.>

> > > After the mind-storm.. ...Awareness. ....opened onto the Flowing..... .a vast pristine-edgelessne ss....... ..indescribably grand beyond the limits of the conceptual context.> > > > It's still there....... underneath the conceptual overlay.> > > > > > > acid did that for me...or not me..> > .b b.b.>are this the guys from the movie "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" talking in here....?http://upload. wikimedia. org/wikipedia/ en/6/6f/FandlinL V.jpglolMarc

April 1, 2009

> > when people feel truly seen

> > via that great lens of perception Silence

> > magic can happen

> >

> > and it is such authentic beholding

> > that is love

> >

> > love is not sentiment

> > love is not emotion

> >

> > Bill

> >

> No,but so close you only missed it by a mind

> love is nothing.

> Mark

>

your words fall flat....

have you worked with those who are lost and afraid?

there is a vastness to deep silence

before which your " love is nothing "

is but a faltering quip.

consider Niz's words here:

When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom.

When I see I am everything, that is love.

My life is a movement between these two.

life is extraordinarily dynamic

your " love is nothing " pronouncement

comes off as static

posed as if some absolute truth

[which presumably you agree is absurd, yes?]

why the terseness?

if you have something to say, please say it.

Bill

April 1, 2009

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes.

> > > > > > > > > > The night in Las Vegas that I mentioned I had been thinking

about the fact that no'thing' actually existed as a separate, distinct entity,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That in fact there was no such thing as a " mountain " a

" river " or the state of " Texas " .

> > > > > > > > > > I had mistakenly taken 100 mg of my wife's topamax instead

of my 40 mg of Lipator and woke up in an extremely confused and anxious state of

mind.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I knew that " things " did not exist but the question arose

concerning the holder of things......namely " me " .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If things did not exist.....neither did I.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My mind recoiled and retreated back to the familiar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Like a balky horse, it refused to go any further.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Something interjected the thought that I has sought just

such a confrontation with Reality my whole life and that perhaps I should just

go along with the event and see what happened.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It might not come again.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I allowed the idea concerning the essential emptiness of the

holder of things to percolate down through the synapses and after a while it

gained power and the confusion, fear and anxiety increased until it was

unbearable.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I thought that death was entirely possible but didn't have

the will or ability to stop the momentum of what was happening.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The entire structure of the known-familiar world seemed to

be breaking apart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Had I been able.....I would have cried out for help......but

I was immobilized.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > After the mind-storm.....Awareness.....opened onto the

Flowing......a vast pristine-edgelessness.........indescribably grand beyond the

limits of the conceptual context.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It's still there.......underneath the conceptual overlay.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > acid did that for me...or not me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > are this the guys from the movie " Fear and Loathing in Las

Vegas " talking in here....?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/FandlinLV.jpg

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > lol

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > you never know.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > who could (n)ever know what?....and why?....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > everything is known, since endless times

> > > > > >

> > > > > > some know It

> > > > > >

> > > > > > some don't know It

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > > baba knows all things.

> > > > >

> > > > > there are no such things as things.

> > > > >

> > > > > there is nothing.

> > > > >

> > > > > baba knows nothing.

> > > > >

> > > > > do you find the deduction difficult?

> > > > >

> > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > there is no " baba " or " bbb " who knows nothing

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > > that's nothing.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> >

> > si si....where there is No " bbb " who could(n't) know anything....

> >

> > there is everything (known)

> >

> > Marc

>

> oui..mais non.

>

> there is no such thing as nothing..

>

> there is no such thing as everything..

>

> there is no such thing as no such thing.

>

> is " no " a thing?

>

> if so..there is no no.

>

> and you can take that to the bank.

>

> banks are worthless too.

>

> .b b.b.

> (the no such thing king)

>

bbb, you make it complicated with all this " no such thing " etc....

there is nobody else but bbb....who could know all this nice stories about this

non-things etc...

lol

Marc

April 1, 2009

Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> <snip>

>

> > >

> > > To me they are not crocodiles, Marc.

> > > I love working with those people.

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> >

> > love, that's all you need to work with those people, yes

> >

> > there is nothing else realy you can do....

> >

> > you have no choice, anyway....

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

> when people feel truly seen

> via that great lens of perception Silence

> magic can happen

>

> and it is such authentic beholding

> that is love

>

> love is not sentiment

> love is not emotion

>

> Bill

>

true, Bill

love is just the easiest and simple form of being....natural being

.....

where there is such natural being....there is peace

.....

where there is peace....there is another world in front of restless ego minds

.....

there is simply the Self...

....

nothing else

Marc

April 1, 2009

Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote:

>

> recently i came across a story about Ramakrishna- one day his disciple came

alongwith his concubine to meet him. Out of disgust Ramakrishna told him that

what is the use of the knowledge of Brahman he has gained from the teachings

when he has fallen prey to bodily pleasure.

> The disciple responded that after realization that the world is an illusion

& he is a witness, indulgence in any pleasure activities does not have impact on

him. Ramakrishna said that this realization is also an illusion

> created by the mind, the knowledge of Brahman arises in samadhi where " i "

also gets dissolved in Brahman.

> -mahesh

>

the one who knows Brahman.....knows everything there is for real.....and

everything one ever could know for real.

Marc

April 1, 2009

and she was no pleasure to live with anyway..

she was a bitch.

that was an enlightening experience as it was.

but Rammy was right..

there's no such thing as enlightenment.

when that's accepted..

a light goes off.

..b b.b.

Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote:

>

> recently i came across a story about Ramakrishna- one day his disciple came

alongwith his concubine to meet him. Out of disgust Ramakrishna told him that

what is the use of the knowledge of Brahman he has gained from the teachings

when he has fallen prey to bodily pleasure.

> The disciple responded that after realization that the world is an illusion

& he is a witness, indulgence in any pleasure activities does not have impact on

him. Ramakrishna said that this realization is also an illusion

> created by the mind, the knowledge of Brahman arises in samadhi where " i "

also gets dissolved in Brahman.

> -mahesh

>

> ________________________________

> dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33

> Nisargadatta

> Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:09:45 PM

> Re: no doer of ego....nobody doing anything for

real/--> no nothing for real

>

> Nisargadatta, " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > > Yes.

> > > The night in Las Vegas that I mentioned I had been thinking about the fact

that no'thing' actually existed as a separate, distinct entity,

> > >

> > > That in fact there was no such thing as a " mountain " a " river " or the

state of " Texas " .

> > > I had mistakenly taken 100 mg of my wife's topamax instead of my 40 mg of

Lipator and woke up in an extremely confused and anxious state of mind.

> > >

> > > I knew that " things " did not exist but the question arose concerning the

holder of things...... namely " me " .

> > >

> > > If things did not exist.....neither did I.

> > >

> > > My mind recoiled and retreated back to the familiar.

> > >

> > > Like a balky horse, it refused to go any further.

> > >

> > > Something interjected the thought that I has sought just such a

confrontation with Reality my whole life and that perhaps I should just go along

with the event and see what happened.

> > >

> > > It might not come again.

> > >

> > > I allowed the idea concerning the essential emptiness of the holder of

things to percolate down through the synapses and after a while it gained power

and the confusion, fear and anxiety increased until it was unbearable.

> > >

> > > I thought that death was entirely possible but didn't have the will or

ability to stop the momentum of what was happening.

> > >

> > > The entire structure of the known-familiar world seemed to be breaking

apart.

> > >

> > > Had I been able.....I would have cried out for help......but I was

immobilized.

> > >

> > > After the mind-storm.. ...Awareness. ....opened onto the Flowing..... .a

vast pristine-edgelessne ss....... ..indescribably grand beyond the limits of

the conceptual context.

> > >

> > > It's still there....... underneath the conceptual overlay.

> >

> > acid did that for me...or not me.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

> are this the guys from the movie " Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas " talking in

here....?

>

> http://upload. wikimedia. org/wikipedia/ en/6/6f/FandlinL V.jpg

>

> lol

>

> Marc

>

April 1, 2009

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Yes.

> > > > > > > > > > > The night in Las Vegas that I mentioned I had been

thinking about the fact that no'thing' actually existed as a separate, distinct

entity,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > That in fact there was no such thing as a " mountain " a

" river " or the state of " Texas " .

> > > > > > > > > > > I had mistakenly taken 100 mg of my wife's topamax instead

of my 40 mg of Lipator and woke up in an extremely confused and anxious state of

mind.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I knew that " things " did not exist but the question arose

concerning the holder of things......namely " me " .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If things did not exist.....neither did I.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My mind recoiled and retreated back to the familiar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Like a balky horse, it refused to go any further.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Something interjected the thought that I has sought just

such a confrontation with Reality my whole life and that perhaps I should just

go along with the event and see what happened.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It might not come again.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I allowed the idea concerning the essential emptiness of

the holder of things to percolate down through the synapses and after a while it

gained power and the confusion, fear and anxiety increased until it was

unbearable.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I thought that death was entirely possible but didn't have

the will or ability to stop the momentum of what was happening.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The entire structure of the known-familiar world seemed to

be breaking apart.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Had I been able.....I would have cried out for

help......but I was immobilized.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > After the mind-storm.....Awareness.....opened onto the

Flowing......a vast pristine-edgelessness.........indescribably grand beyond the

limits of the conceptual context.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It's still there.......underneath the conceptual overlay.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > acid did that for me...or not me.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > are this the guys from the movie " Fear and Loathing in Las

Vegas " talking in here....?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/FandlinLV.jpg

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > lol

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > you never know.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > who could (n)ever know what?....and why?....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > everything is known, since endless times

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > some know It

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > some don't know It

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > >

> > > > > > baba knows all things.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there are no such things as things.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there is nothing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > baba knows nothing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > do you find the deduction difficult?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > there is no " baba " or " bbb " who knows nothing

> > > > >

> > > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > > that's nothing.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > >

> > > si si....where there is No " bbb " who could(n't) know anything....

> > >

> > > there is everything (known)

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> > oui..mais non.

> >

> > there is no such thing as nothing..

> >

> > there is no such thing as everything..

> >

> > there is no such thing as no such thing.

> >

> > is " no " a thing?

> >

> > if so..there is no no.

> >

> > and you can take that to the bank.

> >

> > banks are worthless too.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> > (the no such thing king)

> >

>

> bbb, you make it complicated with all this " no such thing " etc....

>

> there is nobody else but bbb....who could know all this nice stories about

this non-things etc...

>

> lol

>

> Marc

there's no such thing as complicated.

..b b.b.

April 1, 2009

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The night in Las Vegas that I mentioned I had been

thinking about the fact that no'thing' actually existed as a separate, distinct

entity,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > That in fact there was no such thing as a " mountain " a

" river " or the state of " Texas " .

> > > > > > > > > > > > I had mistakenly taken 100 mg of my wife's topamax

instead of my 40 mg of Lipator and woke up in an extremely confused and anxious

state of mind.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I knew that " things " did not exist but the question

arose concerning the holder of things......namely " me " .

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If things did not exist.....neither did I.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > My mind recoiled and retreated back to the familiar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Like a balky horse, it refused to go any further.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Something interjected the thought that I has sought just

such a confrontation with Reality my whole life and that perhaps I should just

go along with the event and see what happened.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It might not come again.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I allowed the idea concerning the essential emptiness of

the holder of things to percolate down through the synapses and after a while it

gained power and the confusion, fear and anxiety increased until it was

unbearable.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I thought that death was entirely possible but didn't

have the will or ability to stop the momentum of what was happening.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The entire structure of the known-familiar world seemed

to be breaking apart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Had I been able.....I would have cried out for

help......but I was immobilized.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > After the mind-storm.....Awareness.....opened onto the

Flowing......a vast pristine-edgelessness.........indescribably grand beyond the

limits of the conceptual context.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It's still there.......underneath the conceptual

overlay.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > acid did that for me...or not me.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > are this the guys from the movie " Fear and Loathing in Las

Vegas " talking in here....?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/FandlinLV.jpg

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > lol

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > you never know.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > who could (n)ever know what?....and why?....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > everything is known, since endless times

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > some know It

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > some don't know It

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Marc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > baba knows all things.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there are no such things as things.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there is nothing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > baba knows nothing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > do you find the deduction difficult?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there is no " baba " or " bbb " who knows nothing

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Marc

> > > > >

> > > > > that's nothing.

> > > > >

> > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > si si....where there is No " bbb " who could(n't) know anything....

> > > >

> > > > there is everything (known)

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > > oui..mais non.

> > >

> > > there is no such thing as nothing..

> > >

> > > there is no such thing as everything..

> > >

> > > there is no such thing as no such thing.

> > >

> > > is " no " a thing?

> > >

> > > if so..there is no no.

> > >

> > > and you can take that to the bank.

> > >

> > > banks are worthless too.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > > (the no such thing king)

> > >

> >

> > bbb, you make it complicated with all this " no such thing " etc....

> >

> > there is nobody else but bbb....who could know all this nice stories about

this non-things etc...

> >

> > lol

> >

> > Marc

>

> there's no such thing as complicated.

>

> .b b.b.

>

evidence bbb,

you are right

....

ahhh, no....

there is no such thing as being right

.....

lol

Marc

April 1, 2009

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > <snip>

> >

> > > >

> > > > To me they are not crocodiles, Marc.

> > > > I love working with those people.

> > > >

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> > >

> > > love, that's all you need to work with those people, yes

> > >

> > > there is nothing else realy you can do....

> > >

> > > you have no choice, anyway....

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

> > when people feel truly seen

> > via that great lens of perception Silence

> > magic can happen

> >

> > and it is such authentic beholding

> > that is love

> >

> > love is not sentiment

> > love is not emotion

> >

> > Bill

> >

>

> true, Bill

>

> love is just the easiest and simple form of being....natural being

very nicely put...

Bill

> ....

>

> where there is such natural being....there is peace

>

> ....

>

> where there is peace....there is another world in front of restless ego minds

>

> ....

>

> there is simply the Self...

>

> ...

>

> nothing else

>

> Marc

>

April 2, 2009

Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> > > when people feel truly seen

> > > via that great lens of perception Silence

> > > magic can happen

> > >

> > > and it is such authentic beholding

> > > that is love

> > >

> > > love is not sentiment

> > > love is not emotion

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> > No,but so close you only missed it by a mind

> > love is nothing.

> > Mark

> >

>

> your words fall flat....

>

> have you worked with those who are lost and afraid?

>

> there is a vastness to deep silence

> before which your " love is nothing "

> is but a faltering quip.

>

> consider Niz's words here:

> When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom.

> When I see I am everything, that is love.

> My life is a movement between these two.

>

> life is extraordinarily dynamic

>

> your " love is nothing " pronouncement

> comes off as static

> posed as if some absolute truth

> [which presumably you agree is absurd, yes?]

>

> why the terseness?

>

> if you have something to say, please say it.

>

> Bill

>

all words are flat when speaking of nonduality.

why so terse? because words are the mind's playground

the problem being of course that mind is in it, it is not in mind.

You speak of love being some " authentic perception of silence "

what the hell does that mean?

say what it is godamit. because if you don't,you lie

you are silence. you are love

you are perception. you are nothing. love is nothing. deal with it.

" life is extrodinarily dynamic "

what could that possibly mean?

ask a starving child in Africa how dynamic their life is.

it is so fricking seductive to want it better,or to see it differantly

superego will not let go on it's stranglehold of wanting it differant

than what is. just another foothold for ego to survive is all that becomes of

Nis's words.

I hope that wasn't too terse for you?

Mark

April 2, 2009

Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > > > when people feel truly seen

> > > > via that great lens of perception Silence

> > > > magic can happen

> > > >

> > > > and it is such authentic beholding

> > > > that is love

> > > >

> > > > love is not sentiment

> > > > love is not emotion

> > > >

> > > > Bill

> > > >

> > > No,but so close you only missed it by a mind

> > > love is nothing.

> > > Mark

> > >

> >

> > your words fall flat....

> >

> > have you worked with those who are lost and afraid?

> >

> > there is a vastness to deep silence

> > before which your " love is nothing "

> > is but a faltering quip.

> >

> > consider Niz's words here:

> > When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom.

> > When I see I am everything, that is love.

> > My life is a movement between these two.

> >

> > life is extraordinarily dynamic

> >

> > your " love is nothing " pronouncement

> > comes off as static

> > posed as if some absolute truth

> > [which presumably you agree is absurd, yes?]

> >

> > why the terseness?

> >

> > if you have something to say, please say it.

> >

> > Bill

> >

> all words are flat when speaking of nonduality.

> why so terse? because words are the mind's playground

> the problem being of course that mind is in it, it is not in mind.

>

> You speak of love being some " authentic perception of silence "

> what the hell does that mean?

> say what it is godamit. because if you don't,you lie

> you are silence. you are love

I didn't say that... if you go back and read carefully...

I didn't speak of perception *of* Silence, I wrote:

> > when people feel truly seen

> > via that great lens of perception Silence

What I am saying is what you just said, when I am Silence

then I am love... tho I prefer to phrase it a bit

differently... When there is Silence there is love.

Within the moment there may be " glimpses " of an apparent

entity, a person, a being... but only glimpses.

Only the shifting swirls of particles of sense

moving in the moment, only this edgeless flux,

is real, is actual. The rest is all figments.

Frankly, I'm not even so comfortable with a statement

like, " When there is Silence there is love. "

In this moment there are no abstractions, there are

no generalizations. But writing is writing...

words must be used, and so in a moment something

is written. But there can be no enduring truth in

any of the abstractions that seem to arise.

Earlier this evening I jotted down the following:

It's not what you say, it's your saying it.

What you say may strive for abstraction,

but your saying it is not abstraction,

any more than the quivering of a leaf

on a tree is abstraction.

It like Marshall McLuhan's statement:

The medium is the *massage*.

That's how I see it. We are all of us massaging

each other's brains with these messages. That's

the extent of it.

> you are perception. you are nothing. love is nothing. deal with it.

I said your " love is nothing " statement fell flat for me.

That is a fact. Maybe not take it personal. It's just a

statement. Nothing sacred in a statment, can we agree?

" I am perception, " on the other hand, that is interesting.

Every moment, just myriad particles of sense. Nothing more.

Or to rephrase once again:

" perception is, nothing more "

because there is no " sense " of an " I " in it.

In the moment there can be no abstractions.

Abstractions require time, and the moment is without duration.

As for, " I am nothing, " I almost have to laugh because

that was my conclusion as a twenty-year-old, over 40 years

ago. It feels a little worn out to me now, doesn't have

much resonance for me. [which is not to say I disagree with

the statement]

> " life is extrodinarily dynamic "

> what could that possibly mean?

I mean that the present, the living moment, is dynamic.

The moment is always very alive...

I was very sick for four days last summer; I couldn't

sleep, and I couldn't be still for even 15 seconds. But

I was able to notice how alive each moment was.

There was nothing static about it. It was extraordinarily

dynamic.

> ask a starving child in Africa how dynamic their life is.

>

> it is so fricking seductive to want it better,or to see it differantly

> superego will not let go on it's stranglehold of wanting it differant

> than what is. just another foothold for ego to survive is all that becomes of

Nis's words.

>

> I hope that wasn't too terse for you?

No, that was better.

Bill

> Mark

April 2, 2009

Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > > when people feel truly seen

> > > > > via that great lens of perception Silence

> > > > > magic can happen

> > > > >

> > > > > and it is such authentic beholding

> > > > > that is love

> > > > >

> > > > > love is not sentiment

> > > > > love is not emotion

> > > > >

> > > > > Bill

> > > > >

> > > > No,but so close you only missed it by a mind

> > > > love is nothing.

> > > > Mark

> > > >

> > >

> > > your words fall flat....

> > >

> > > have you worked with those who are lost and afraid?

> > >

> > > there is a vastness to deep silence

> > > before which your " love is nothing "

> > > is but a faltering quip.

> > >

> > > consider Niz's words here:

> > > When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom.

> > > When I see I am everything, that is love.

> > > My life is a movement between these two.

> > >

> > > life is extraordinarily dynamic

> > >

> > > your " love is nothing " pronouncement

> > > comes off as static

> > > posed as if some absolute truth

> > > [which presumably you agree is absurd, yes?]

> > >

> > > why the terseness?

> > >

> > > if you have something to say, please say it.

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> > all words are flat when speaking of nonduality.

> > why so terse? because words are the mind's playground

> > the problem being of course that mind is in it, it is not in mind.

> >

> > You speak of love being some " authentic perception of silence "

> > what the hell does that mean?

> > say what it is godamit. because if you don't,you lie

> > you are silence. you are love

>

> I didn't say that... if you go back and read carefully...

> I didn't speak of perception *of* Silence, I wrote:

> > > when people feel truly seen

> > > via that great lens of perception Silence

>

> What I am saying is what you just said, when I am Silence

> then I am love... tho I prefer to phrase it a bit

> differently... When there is Silence there is love.

>

> Within the moment there may be " glimpses " of an apparent

> entity, a person, a being... but only glimpses.

>

> Only the shifting swirls of particles of sense

> moving in the moment, only this edgeless flux,

> is real, is actual. The rest is all figments.

>

> Frankly, I'm not even so comfortable with a statement

> like, " When there is Silence there is love. "

> In this moment there are no abstractions, there are

> no generalizations. But writing is writing...

> words must be used, and so in a moment something

> is written. But there can be no enduring truth in

> any of the abstractions that seem to arise.

>

> Earlier this evening I jotted down the following:

>

> It's not what you say, it's your saying it.

>

> What you say may strive for abstraction,

> but your saying it is not abstraction,

> any more than the quivering of a leaf

> on a tree is abstraction.

>

> It like Marshall McLuhan's statement:

>

> The medium is the *massage*.

>

> That's how I see it. We are all of us massaging

> each other's brains with these messages. That's

> the extent of it.

>

> > you are perception. you are nothing. love is nothing. deal with it.

> I said your " love is nothing " statement fell flat for me.

> That is a fact. Maybe not take it personal. It's just a

> statement. Nothing sacred in a statment, can we agree?

>

> " I am perception, " on the other hand, that is interesting.

> Every moment, just myriad particles of sense. Nothing more.

> Or to rephrase once again:

> " perception is, nothing more "

> because there is no " sense " of an " I " in it.

> In the moment there can be no abstractions.

> Abstractions require time, and the moment is without duration.

>

> As for, " I am nothing, " I almost have to laugh because

> that was my conclusion as a twenty-year-old, over 40 years

> ago. It feels a little worn out to me now, doesn't have

> much resonance for me. [which is not to say I disagree with

> the statement]

>

> > " life is extrodinarily dynamic "

> > what could that possibly mean?

>

> I mean that the present, the living moment, is dynamic.

> The moment is always very alive...

> I was very sick for four days last summer; I couldn't

> sleep, and I couldn't be still for even 15 seconds. But

> I was able to notice how alive each moment was.

> There was nothing static about it. It was extraordinarily

> dynamic.

>

> > ask a starving child in Africa how dynamic their life is.

> >

> > it is so fricking seductive to want it better,or to see it differantly

> > superego will not let go on it's stranglehold of wanting it differant

> > than what is. just another foothold for ego to survive is all that becomes

of Nis's words.

> >

> > I hope that wasn't too terse for you?

>

> No, that was better.

>

> Bill

>

> > Mark

a better bunch of bullshit i agree.

..b b.b.

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