Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , Surendra Shrestha <coloramacentre wrote: > > ok another fan is born! sorry bud..no autographs. LOL! > --- On Sat, 12/27/08, Robert Epstein <epsteinrob wrote: > > Robert Epstein <epsteinrob > Re: transforming > Nisargadatta > Saturday, December 27, 2008, 12:14 PM Nisargadatta, " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@ ...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta, " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its been a while since last time so to speak... > > > > > > > > > my life-film is still on from moment to moment...but > I do > > > not > > > > > > > give much > > > > > > > > > value or importance to it...so its like it is slowly > > > > > > > > > disappearing. ..like a man and his world transforming > into > > > a > > > > > goast > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > shadow... > > > > > > > > > and the (inner) glow...who I am...without the body > (or > > > the > > > > > ego- > > > > > > > me)...is > > > > > > > > > appearing to shine brighter and brighter...not that > it is > > > > > > > so...because > > > > > > > > > it is ever full-shining. ... > > > > > > > > > its more like when I cling or give values to the > material > > > > > > > world...those > > > > > > > > > values transforms from goasts or shadows into the > world > > > and > > > > > > > everything.. > > > > > > > > > and this everything covers the pure light of the > Self... > > > > > > > > > and this is what is going on everywhere so to > speak...the > > > man > > > > > > > that is > > > > > > > > > really awake starts dreaming...and takes the dream to > be > > > > > > > reality... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " but I do not give much value or importance to it " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neither does anyone else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who cares? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seems like you still value your nutzoid thinking though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lose it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ah..b.b.b... still walk the same shoes ?... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahhh...uhm.. . > > > > > > > > > > > > what shoes? > > > > > > > > > > > > what .b b.b.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the words above...was just a reflection.. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's reflecting what? > > > > > > > > > > > > where there is nothing..there is nothing to be reflected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " there is no bodhi tree > > > > > > > > > > > > nor stand of a mirror bright. > > > > > > > > > > > > since all is void, > > > > > > > > > > > > where can the dust alight? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in other words....you' re full of shit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smoke from a fire...shadows on a wall... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no fire..what is substantial enough to create > shadows? > > > > > > > > > > > > that's just dumb son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and for you my dear friend...there is really nothing to > > > lose...or > > > > > gain > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but you keep trying. > > > > > > > > > > > > you want respect. > > > > > > > > > > > > but you lose all respect in the attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy nothing day loser. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > to say that iietsa is ful of shit and to say that there is > > > nothing in > > > > > the same breath...that my friend is confusion... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no..you're full of shit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its better to love all...than to hate some parts or to call > them > > > > > nothing.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where there is love there is hate. > > > > > > > > where there is neither is the ticket. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .mere ideas about me being ful of shit is not going to solve > > > > > your problem... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in fact it will only fuel it further... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing to fuel. > > > > > > > > there is no such thing as fuel either. > > > > > > > > quit trying to be poetic. > > > > > > > > > > > > you're pathetic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >instead treat > > > > > me as your beloved... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you have to be treated special.. > > > > > > > > you are lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and you will find the treasure right there in > > > > > your own heart... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's a fairy tail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont thank me...thank your Self... > > > > > > > > > > > > the Self has nothing to do with searching shadows. > > > > > > > > what's wrong with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and treat it with > > > > > all the love in the universe...because it is... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > ' > > > > you're full of shit kid. > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > just try to feel the music son... > > > its all in the rythm...stay there...and dont leave it for the > world... > > > without the rythm of the Self...everything is nothing... > > > and with the rythm...nothing is everything.. . > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > your excessive and hypocritically pious and sanctimonious bunkum.. > > > > is rotgut. > > > > you're inebriated with your own self righteousness. > > > > the inferior crap emanating from you.. > > > > is of childishly low rank and importance. > > > > it's like reading mickey mouse trying to sound profound. > > > > self-inflicted stupidity like that is inexcusably offensive. > > > > but i know you cannot understand this or get the picture.. > > > > it's hard to get the big picture when you have such a small screen. > > > > did the mental hospital test too many drugs on you today? > > > > i used to think you were a pain in the ass.. > > > > now i have a much lower opinion of you. > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > You sound excessively disturbed and judgmental. Do you think you > reflect Nisargardatta' s teachings when you rant against someone like > this? Or are you just causing more disturbance and delusion. > Perhaps you think you are an avenging angel who is here to dispel > other people's delusions by force; and making a nice show of your own > power while you are at it; yet that does not acknowledge the reality > of who you are or who he is. You now have a " much lower opinion " of > this person? Why do you have an opinion at all? You are just > causing more separation, more individuation, more duality, more > discrimination, and generally heading yourself, not others, in the > wrong direction. > > Robert > > = = = = = = = hahahahahahaha! repetition is the hallmark of dementia. nice to see you again..and again...and again..and.. nah.. it's getting boring actually. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Surendra Shrestha > <coloramacentre@> wrote: > > > > ok > > another fan is born! > > sorry bud..no autographs. > > LOL! > oh..and.. ok. and uhm.. thanx. happy holi happy diwali to you all enjoying..Nepali. old film songs... bhajans & more! fishing bird watching...movies..watching television..and politics.. and reading spiritual stuff and occupational philosophy.. and a whole bunch of stuff 25 year old boys enjoy. ok ok ok... shaboom! :-) ..b b.b. > > --- On Sat, 12/27/08, Robert Epstein <epsteinrob@> wrote: > > > > Robert Epstein <epsteinrob@> > > Re: transforming > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, December 27, 2008, 12:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its been a while since last time so to speak... > > > > > > > > > > my life-film is still on from moment to moment...but > > I do > > > > not > > > > > > > > give much > > > > > > > > > > value or importance to it...so its like it is slowly > > > > > > > > > > disappearing. ..like a man and his world transforming > > into > > > > a > > > > > > goast > > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > shadow... > > > > > > > > > > and the (inner) glow...who I am...without the body > > (or > > > > the > > > > > > ego- > > > > > > > > me)...is > > > > > > > > > > appearing to shine brighter and brighter...not that > > it is > > > > > > > > so...because > > > > > > > > > > it is ever full-shining. ... > > > > > > > > > > its more like when I cling or give values to the > > material > > > > > > > > world...those > > > > > > > > > > values transforms from goasts or shadows into the > > world > > > > and > > > > > > > > everything.. > > > > > > > > > > and this everything covers the pure light of the > > Self... > > > > > > > > > > and this is what is going on everywhere so to > > speak...the > > > > man > > > > > > > > that is > > > > > > > > > > really awake starts dreaming...and takes the dream to > > be > > > > > > > > reality... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " but I do not give much value or importance to it " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neither does anyone else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who cares? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seems like you still value your nutzoid thinking though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lose it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ah..b.b.b... still walk the same shoes ?... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahhh...uhm.. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what shoes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what .b b.b.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the words above...was just a reflection.. . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's reflecting what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where there is nothing..there is nothing to be reflected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " there is no bodhi tree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nor stand of a mirror bright. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since all is void, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where can the dust alight? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in other words....you' re full of shit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smoke from a fire...shadows on a wall... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no fire..what is substantial enough to create > > shadows? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's just dumb son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and for you my dear friend...there is really nothing to > > > > lose...or > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but you keep trying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you want respect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but you lose all respect in the attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy nothing day loser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > to say that iietsa is ful of shit and to say that there is > > > > nothing in > > > > > > the same breath...that my friend is confusion... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no..you're full of shit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its better to love all...than to hate some parts or to call > > them > > > > > > nothing.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where there is love there is hate. > > > > > > > > > > where there is neither is the ticket. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .mere ideas about me being ful of shit is not going to solve > > > > > > your problem... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in fact it will only fuel it further... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing to fuel. > > > > > > > > > > there is no such thing as fuel either. > > > > > > > > > > quit trying to be poetic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you're pathetic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >instead treat > > > > > > me as your beloved... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you have to be treated special.. > > > > > > > > > > you are lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and you will find the treasure right there in > > > > > > your own heart... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's a fairy tail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont thank me...thank your Self... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Self has nothing to do with searching shadows. > > > > > > > > > > what's wrong with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and treat it with > > > > > > all the love in the universe...because it is... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > ' > > > > > you're full of shit kid. > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > just try to feel the music son... > > > > its all in the rythm...stay there...and dont leave it for the > > world... > > > > without the rythm of the Self...everything is nothing... > > > > and with the rythm...nothing is everything.. . > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > your excessive and hypocritically pious and sanctimonious bunkum.. > > > > > > is rotgut. > > > > > > you're inebriated with your own self righteousness. > > > > > > the inferior crap emanating from you.. > > > > > > is of childishly low rank and importance. > > > > > > it's like reading mickey mouse trying to sound profound. > > > > > > self-inflicted stupidity like that is inexcusably offensive. > > > > > > but i know you cannot understand this or get the picture.. > > > > > > it's hard to get the big picture when you have such a small screen. > > > > > > did the mental hospital test too many drugs on you today? > > > > > > i used to think you were a pain in the ass.. > > > > > > now i have a much lower opinion of you. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > You sound excessively disturbed and judgmental. Do you think you > > reflect Nisargardatta' s teachings when you rant against someone like > > this? Or are you just causing more disturbance and delusion. > > Perhaps you think you are an avenging angel who is here to dispel > > other people's delusions by force; and making a nice show of your own > > power while you are at it; yet that does not acknowledge the reality > > of who you are or who he is. You now have a " much lower opinion " of > > this person? Why do you have an opinion at all? You are just > > causing more separation, more individuation, more duality, more > > discrimination, and generally heading yourself, not others, in the > > wrong direction. > > > > Robert > > > > = = = = = = = > > > > hahahahahahaha! > > repetition is the hallmark of dementia. > > nice to see you again..and again...and again..and.. > > nah.. > > it's getting boring actually. > > :-) > > .b b.b. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > its been a while since last time so to speak... > my life-film is still on from moment to moment...but I do not give much > value or importance to it...so its like it is slowly > disappearing...like a man and his world transforming into a goast or a > shadow... > and the (inner) glow...who I am...without the body (or the ego- me)...is > appearing to shine brighter and brighter...not that it is so...because > it is ever full-shining.... > its more like when I cling or give values to the material world...those > values transforms from goasts or shadows into the world and everything.. > and this everything covers the pure light of the Self... > and this is what is going on everywhere so to speak...the man that is > really awake starts dreaming...and takes the dream to be reality... > ...iietsa > look like a message....written for our beloved bbb... who is bbb? it's just another fiction of this your mentionned " pure light of the Self " .... whatever you do and write....it will always be for & from this your Self there is nothing else Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > its been a while since last time so to speak... > > my life-film is still on from moment to moment...but I do not give > much > > value or importance to it...so its like it is slowly > > disappearing...like a man and his world transforming into a goast > or a > > shadow... > > and the (inner) glow...who I am...without the body (or the ego- > me)...is > > appearing to shine brighter and brighter...not that it is > so...because > > it is ever full-shining.... > > its more like when I cling or give values to the material > world...those > > values transforms from goasts or shadows into the world and > everything.. > > and this everything covers the pure light of the Self... > > and this is what is going on everywhere so to speak...the man that > is > > really awake starts dreaming...and takes the dream to be reality... > > ...iietsa > > > > look like a message....written for our beloved bbb... > > who is bbb? > > it's just another fiction of this your mentionned " pure light of the > Self " .... > > whatever you do and write....it will always be for & from this your Self > > there is nothing else > > > Marc > if you train the body-it will become strong... if you dont train the body-it will become weak... a strong body = a body...a weak body = a body... and its the same with mind...or anything... ....if the body is weak...it is not enough to think or say " the body is strong " ...that is only stupid....its like going to a hungry lion with a piece of bread... I offer only words here....nothing else... words that can show you the way to the gates of liberation... you can do what you want with the words... from " liberation " they are absolutely meaningless... but from bondage the can be helpful... so, instead of being against what I write... try to be more creative and write some helpful words to the ones that are not yet realized in pure freedom... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > its been a while since last time so to speak... > > > my life-film is still on from moment to moment...but I do not > give > > much > > > value or importance to it...so its like it is slowly > > > disappearing...like a man and his world transforming into a goast > > or a > > > shadow... > > > and the (inner) glow...who I am...without the body (or the ego- > > me)...is > > > appearing to shine brighter and brighter...not that it is > > so...because > > > it is ever full-shining.... > > > its more like when I cling or give values to the material > > world...those > > > values transforms from goasts or shadows into the world and > > everything.. > > > and this everything covers the pure light of the Self... > > > and this is what is going on everywhere so to speak...the man > that > > is > > > really awake starts dreaming...and takes the dream to be > reality... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > look like a message....written for our beloved bbb... > > > > who is bbb? > > > > it's just another fiction of this your mentionned " pure light of > the > > Self " .... > > > > whatever you do and write....it will always be for & from this your > Self > > > > there is nothing else > > > > > > Marc > > > > if you train the body-it will become strong... > if you dont train the body-it will become weak... > a strong body = a body...a weak body = a body... > and its the same with mind...or anything... > ...if the body is weak...it is not enough to think or say " the body > is strong " ...that is only stupid....its like going to a hungry lion > with a piece of bread... > I offer only words here....nothing else... > words that can show you the way to the gates of liberation... > you can do what you want with the words... > from " liberation " they are absolutely meaningless... > but from bondage the can be helpful... > so, instead of being against what I write... > try to be more creative and write some helpful words to the ones that > are not yet realized in pure freedom... > ...iietsa yep. iietsa is trapped in that individual 'nothing' named iietsa. iietsa MUST be right. iietsa MUST be listened to. iietsa feels put upon.. iietsa thinks that every 'one' else is against 'her'. iietsa is a paranoid little lost girl. get rid of iietsa. it's the only way. if you think you are so f***ing free.. get off the defensive. there is nothing to defend. not you..not your stupid words..not your holier than thou hogwash. get off it my child. you only prove that you're ignorant with every post. if this were not so you'd laugh. it is funny! so shut up..quit pretending...die. that's the only way truth or life. now.. quickly.. defend your 'manhood. you young whipper-snapping bullshiter Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaaaaaaaaa. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > its been a while since last time so to speak... > > > > my life-film is still on from moment to moment...but I do not > > give > > > much > > > > value or importance to it...so its like it is slowly > > > > disappearing...like a man and his world transforming into a goast > > > or a > > > > shadow... > > > > and the (inner) glow...who I am...without the body (or the ego- > > > me)...is > > > > appearing to shine brighter and brighter...not that it is > > > so...because > > > > it is ever full-shining.... > > > > its more like when I cling or give values to the material > > > world...those > > > > values transforms from goasts or shadows into the world and > > > everything.. > > > > and this everything covers the pure light of the Self... > > > > and this is what is going on everywhere so to speak...the man > > that > > > is > > > > really awake starts dreaming...and takes the dream to be > > reality... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > look like a message....written for our beloved bbb... > > > > > > who is bbb? > > > > > > it's just another fiction of this your mentionned " pure light of > > the > > > Self " .... > > > > > > whatever you do and write....it will always be for & from this your > > Self > > > > > > there is nothing else > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > if you train the body-it will become strong... > > if you dont train the body-it will become weak... > > a strong body = a body...a weak body = a body... > > and its the same with mind...or anything... > > ...if the body is weak...it is not enough to think or say " the body > > is strong " ...that is only stupid....its like going to a hungry lion > > with a piece of bread... > > I offer only words here....nothing else... > > words that can show you the way to the gates of liberation... > > you can do what you want with the words... > > from " liberation " they are absolutely meaningless... > > but from bondage the can be helpful... > > so, instead of being against what I write... > > try to be more creative and write some helpful words to the ones that > > are not yet realized in pure freedom... > > ...iietsa > > > yep. > > iietsa is trapped in that individual 'nothing' named iietsa. > > iietsa MUST be right. > > iietsa MUST be listened to. > > iietsa feels put upon.. > > iietsa thinks that every 'one' else is against 'her'. > > iietsa is a paranoid little lost girl. > > get rid of iietsa. > > it's the only way. > > if you think you are so f***ing free.. > > get off the defensive. > > there is nothing to defend. > > not you..not your stupid words..not your holier than thou hogwash. > > get off it my child. > > you only prove that you're ignorant with every post. > > if this were not so you'd laugh. > > it is funny! > > so shut up..quit pretending...die. > > that's the only way truth or life. > > now.. > > quickly.. > > defend your 'manhood. > > you young whipper-snapping bullshiter > > Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaaaaaaaaa. > > :-) > > .b b.b. oh yeah.. i forgot.. you are a phony. LOL! ..b bobji baba Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > its been a while since last time so to speak... > > > my life-film is still on from moment to moment...but I do not > give > > much > > > value or importance to it...so its like it is slowly > > > disappearing...like a man and his world transforming into a goast > > or a > > > shadow... > > > and the (inner) glow...who I am...without the body (or the ego- > > me)...is > > > appearing to shine brighter and brighter...not that it is > > so...because > > > it is ever full-shining.... > > > its more like when I cling or give values to the material > > world...those > > > values transforms from goasts or shadows into the world and > > everything.. > > > and this everything covers the pure light of the Self... > > > and this is what is going on everywhere so to speak...the man > that > > is > > > really awake starts dreaming...and takes the dream to be > reality... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > look like a message....written for our beloved bbb... > > > > who is bbb? > > > > it's just another fiction of this your mentionned " pure light of > the > > Self " .... > > > > whatever you do and write....it will always be for & from this your > Self > > > > there is nothing else > > > > > > Marc > > > > if you train the body-it will become strong... > if you dont train the body-it will become weak... > a strong body = a body...a weak body = a body... > and its the same with mind...or anything... > ...if the body is weak...it is not enough to think or say " the body > is strong " ...that is only stupid....its like going to a hungry lion > with a piece of bread... > I offer only words here....nothing else... > words that can show you the way to the gates of liberation... > you can do what you want with the words... > from " liberation " they are absolutely meaningless... > but from bondage the can be helpful... > so, instead of being against what I write... > try to be more creative and write some helpful words to the ones that > are not yet realized in pure freedom... > ...iietsa > seem that you have/got a well trained mind so....for some reason.... i'm not against with what you write.....i tried to show you that there are No interests from bbb to this you mentionned " words that can show the way to the gates of liberation " .... even Not...after endless exchanges and words that you exchanged with him ..... first of all, this Your words are mentionned to/from YourSelf....as i told you....there is nothing else. ..... there is No bbb, seperated to You.....to whom You need to give any precious informations.... there is only an appearent other one....due to this your working (trained) ego-mind ...... if there were some awareness....You would have great fun with this appearent bbb....instead to get worry about anybodies " way to liberation " ..... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > its been a while since last time so to speak... > > > > my life-film is still on from moment to moment...but I do not > > give > > > much > > > > value or importance to it...so its like it is slowly > > > > disappearing...like a man and his world transforming into a goast > > > or a > > > > shadow... > > > > and the (inner) glow...who I am...without the body (or the ego- > > > me)...is > > > > appearing to shine brighter and brighter...not that it is > > > so...because > > > > it is ever full-shining.... > > > > its more like when I cling or give values to the material > > > world...those > > > > values transforms from goasts or shadows into the world and > > > everything.. > > > > and this everything covers the pure light of the Self... > > > > and this is what is going on everywhere so to speak...the man > > that > > > is > > > > really awake starts dreaming...and takes the dream to be > > reality... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > look like a message....written for our beloved bbb... > > > > > > who is bbb? > > > > > > it's just another fiction of this your mentionned " pure light of > > the > > > Self " .... > > > > > > whatever you do and write....it will always be for & from this your > > Self > > > > > > there is nothing else > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > if you train the body-it will become strong... > > if you dont train the body-it will become weak... > > a strong body = a body...a weak body = a body... > > and its the same with mind...or anything... > > ...if the body is weak...it is not enough to think or say " the body > > is strong " ...that is only stupid....its like going to a hungry lion > > with a piece of bread... > > I offer only words here....nothing else... > > words that can show you the way to the gates of liberation... > > you can do what you want with the words... > > from " liberation " they are absolutely meaningless... > > but from bondage the can be helpful... > > so, instead of being against what I write... > > try to be more creative and write some helpful words to the ones that > > are not yet realized in pure freedom... > > ...iietsa > > > yep. > > iietsa is trapped in that individual 'nothing' named iietsa. > > iietsa MUST be right. > > iietsa MUST be listened to. > > iietsa feels put upon.. > > iietsa thinks that every 'one' else is against 'her'. > > iietsa is a paranoid little lost girl. > > get rid of iietsa. > > it's the only way. > > if you think you are so f***ing free.. > > get off the defensive. > > there is nothing to defend. > > not you..not your stupid words..not your holier than thou hogwash. > > get off it my child. > > you only prove that you're ignorant with every post. > > if this were not so you'd laugh. > > it is funny! > > so shut up..quit pretending...die. > > that's the only way truth or life. > > now.. > > quickly.. > > defend your 'manhood. > > you young whipper-snapping bullshiter > > Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaaaaaaaaa. > > :-) > > .b b.b. > you are very good at throwing stones... but...as you know...there is nothing there to hit... but dont let that stop you from throwing...go on... its a laugh to watch your swings... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > its been a while since last time so to speak... > > > > my life-film is still on from moment to moment...but I do not > > give > > > much > > > > value or importance to it...so its like it is slowly > > > > disappearing...like a man and his world transforming into a > goast > > > or a > > > > shadow... > > > > and the (inner) glow...who I am...without the body (or the ego- > > > me)...is > > > > appearing to shine brighter and brighter...not that it is > > > so...because > > > > it is ever full-shining.... > > > > its more like when I cling or give values to the material > > > world...those > > > > values transforms from goasts or shadows into the world and > > > everything.. > > > > and this everything covers the pure light of the Self... > > > > and this is what is going on everywhere so to speak...the man > > that > > > is > > > > really awake starts dreaming...and takes the dream to be > > reality... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > look like a message....written for our beloved bbb... > > > > > > who is bbb? > > > > > > it's just another fiction of this your mentionned " pure light of > > the > > > Self " .... > > > > > > whatever you do and write....it will always be for & from this your > > Self > > > > > > there is nothing else > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > if you train the body-it will become strong... > > if you dont train the body-it will become weak... > > a strong body = a body...a weak body = a body... > > and its the same with mind...or anything... > > ...if the body is weak...it is not enough to think or say " the body > > is strong " ...that is only stupid....its like going to a hungry lion > > with a piece of bread... > > I offer only words here....nothing else... > > words that can show you the way to the gates of liberation... > > you can do what you want with the words... > > from " liberation " they are absolutely meaningless... > > but from bondage the can be helpful... > > so, instead of being against what I write... > > try to be more creative and write some helpful words to the ones > that > > are not yet realized in pure freedom... > > ...iietsa > > > > > seem that you have/got a well trained mind so....for some reason.... > > i'm not against with what you write.....i tried to show you that > there are No interests from bbb to this you mentionned " words that > can show the way to the gates of liberation " .... > > even Not...after endless exchanges and words that you exchanged with > him > > .... > > first of all, this Your words are mentionned to/from YourSelf....as i > told you....there is nothing else. > > .... > > there is No bbb, seperated to You.....to whom You need to give any > precious informations.... > > there is only an appearent other one....due to this your working > (trained) ego-mind > > ..... > > if there were some awareness....You would have great fun with this > appearent bbb....instead to get worry about anybodies " way to > liberation " > > .... > > Marc > I see your point... but as I myself used to take myself for what I am not... lets call it...that I was blind thinking I could see... I understand that this appearant illusion was not only on (my) mind... ....the one Self that is forever now...has somehow forgotten its core...and attuned itself to its drawings...so to speak...in many places...and because of this we have what we call...separation...duality...and when one takes oneself for such a part...(even if it is just a dream)...it creates the so called dreamer that is living a so called life...(what I try to say is that all is one...but in a cloudy way it is taken by the ignorant mind to be many).... I can never help another...one can only help oneself... but if I have the repice for a fantastic cake...why not give the repice (to all my friends)... some will say...fu** the repice...I just want the cake... but the cake is seldom tasted without knowing the repice... (only accidentaly...as it was for me...I tasted the cake and suddenly it was gone...no more cake left...and I had no repice)... the recipe is all...if there is missing only one tiny ingredient...the cake will fail...or if not all the ingredients are treated exact the same...the cake will fail... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > its been a while since last time so to speak... > > > > > my life-film is still on from moment to moment...but I do not > > > give > > > > much > > > > > value or importance to it...so its like it is slowly > > > > > disappearing...like a man and his world transforming into a > goast > > > > or a > > > > > shadow... > > > > > and the (inner) glow...who I am...without the body (or the > ego- > > > > me)...is > > > > > appearing to shine brighter and brighter...not that it is > > > > so...because > > > > > it is ever full-shining.... > > > > > its more like when I cling or give values to the material > > > > world...those > > > > > values transforms from goasts or shadows into the world and > > > > everything.. > > > > > and this everything covers the pure light of the Self... > > > > > and this is what is going on everywhere so to speak...the man > > > that > > > > is > > > > > really awake starts dreaming...and takes the dream to be > > > reality... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > look like a message....written for our beloved bbb... > > > > > > > > who is bbb? > > > > > > > > it's just another fiction of this your mentionned " pure light > of > > > the > > > > Self " .... > > > > > > > > whatever you do and write....it will always be for & from this > your > > > Self > > > > > > > > there is nothing else > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > if you train the body-it will become strong... > > > if you dont train the body-it will become weak... > > > a strong body = a body...a weak body = a body... > > > and its the same with mind...or anything... > > > ...if the body is weak...it is not enough to think or say " the > body > > > is strong " ...that is only stupid....its like going to a hungry > lion > > > with a piece of bread... > > > I offer only words here....nothing else... > > > words that can show you the way to the gates of liberation... > > > you can do what you want with the words... > > > from " liberation " they are absolutely meaningless... > > > but from bondage the can be helpful... > > > so, instead of being against what I write... > > > try to be more creative and write some helpful words to the ones > that > > > are not yet realized in pure freedom... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > yep. > > > > iietsa is trapped in that individual 'nothing' named iietsa. > > > > iietsa MUST be right. > > > > iietsa MUST be listened to. > > > > iietsa feels put upon.. > > > > iietsa thinks that every 'one' else is against 'her'. > > > > iietsa is a paranoid little lost girl. > > > > get rid of iietsa. > > > > it's the only way. > > > > if you think you are so f***ing free.. > > > > get off the defensive. > > > > there is nothing to defend. > > > > not you..not your stupid words..not your holier than thou hogwash. > > > > get off it my child. > > > > you only prove that you're ignorant with every post. > > > > if this were not so you'd laugh. > > > > it is funny! > > > > so shut up..quit pretending...die. > > > > that's the only way truth or life. > > > > now.. > > > > quickly.. > > > > defend your 'manhood. > > > > you young whipper-snapping bullshiter > > > > Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaaaaaaaaa. > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > > you are very good at throwing stones... > but...as you know...there is nothing there to hit... > but dont let that stop you from throwing...go on... > its a laugh to watch your swings... > ...iietsa there is no 'me' to throw stones. there are no stones. you're funny as all get out. it's good to see you laugh...dummy. see!... that's not hard. it's the Natural State. not that phony Sister Mary 'I'ietsa bullshit. when you go on about that crap it's even funnier. and just so it's clear: " as you know...there is nothing there to hit.. " that's just more nonsense. i don't know anything. and neither do you pinhead. LOL! ..b b.b. p.s. now listen here simpleton.. the lessons will not continue be forever given for free. you never twig them and it's getting annoying. :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > its been a while since last time so to speak... > > > > > my life-film is still on from moment to moment...but I do not > > > give > > > > much > > > > > value or importance to it...so its like it is slowly > > > > > disappearing...like a man and his world transforming into a > > goast > > > > or a > > > > > shadow... > > > > > and the (inner) glow...who I am...without the body (or the > ego- > > > > me)...is > > > > > appearing to shine brighter and brighter...not that it is > > > > so...because > > > > > it is ever full-shining.... > > > > > its more like when I cling or give values to the material > > > > world...those > > > > > values transforms from goasts or shadows into the world and > > > > everything.. > > > > > and this everything covers the pure light of the Self... > > > > > and this is what is going on everywhere so to speak...the man > > > that > > > > is > > > > > really awake starts dreaming...and takes the dream to be > > > reality... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > look like a message....written for our beloved bbb... > > > > > > > > who is bbb? > > > > > > > > it's just another fiction of this your mentionned " pure light > of > > > the > > > > Self " .... > > > > > > > > whatever you do and write....it will always be for & from this > your > > > Self > > > > > > > > there is nothing else > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > if you train the body-it will become strong... > > > if you dont train the body-it will become weak... > > > a strong body = a body...a weak body = a body... > > > and its the same with mind...or anything... > > > ...if the body is weak...it is not enough to think or say " the > body > > > is strong " ...that is only stupid....its like going to a hungry > lion > > > with a piece of bread... > > > I offer only words here....nothing else... > > > words that can show you the way to the gates of liberation... > > > you can do what you want with the words... > > > from " liberation " they are absolutely meaningless... > > > but from bondage the can be helpful... > > > so, instead of being against what I write... > > > try to be more creative and write some helpful words to the ones > > that > > > are not yet realized in pure freedom... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > seem that you have/got a well trained mind so....for some reason.... > > > > i'm not against with what you write.....i tried to show you that > > there are No interests from bbb to this you mentionned " words that > > can show the way to the gates of liberation " .... > > > > even Not...after endless exchanges and words that you exchanged > with > > him > > > > .... > > > > first of all, this Your words are mentionned to/from YourSelf....as > i > > told you....there is nothing else. > > > > .... > > > > there is No bbb, seperated to You.....to whom You need to give any > > precious informations.... > > > > there is only an appearent other one....due to this your working > > (trained) ego-mind > > > > ..... > > > > if there were some awareness....You would have great fun with this > > appearent bbb....instead to get worry about anybodies " way to > > liberation " > > > > .... > > > > Marc > > > > I see your point... no you don't > but as I myself used to take myself for what I am not... you still do..or you wouldn't be talking about it. > lets call it...that I was blind thinking I could see... you're not even blind. 'you' are not period. jesus mary and joseph you're slow! > I understand that this appearant illusion was not only on (my) mind... > ...the one Self that is forever now...has somehow forgotten its > core... there is no core to Self. there is no 'outer' to Self. there is NON OTHER but Self. SELF has no inner or outer or above or below. you're lost. you've forgotten that. Self never forgets..nor remembers. Self does not play childish games. grow up. and attuned itself to its drawings...so to speak...in many > places... there aren't 'many places.' you're lost. >and because of this we have what we > call...separation...duality...and when one takes oneself for such a > part...(even if it is just a dream)...it creates the so called > dreamer that is living a so called life...(what I try to say is that > all is one...but in a cloudy way it is taken by the ignorant mind to > be many).... nice 'self' description. of course it has nothing whatsoever to do with 'Self' though. you just don't Understand. LOL! > I can never help another...one can only help oneself... you can't help yourself either. no one can. that's your biggest and most flawed notion. you are deluded in thinking that you are the exception. there is no such person place or thing. sheesh! get away with 'you'. :-) > but if I have the repice for a fantastic cake...why not give the > repice (to all my friends)... because the nonexistent cake that you have a recipe for.. is all wrong.. and it tastes like shit. hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa! > some will say...fu** the repice...I just want the cake... > but the cake is seldom tasted without knowing the repice... > (only accidentaly...as it was for me...I tasted the cake and suddenly > it was gone... oh for christ's sake shut up. you make such a fool of yourself darling. i'm embarresed for you. but actually... i don't give a monkey's uncle. >no more cake left...and I had no repice)... > the recipe is all...if there is missing only one tiny > ingredient...the cake will fail...or if not all the ingredients are > treated exact the same...the cake will fail... > ...iietsa listen betty crocker.. that's a crock and you know it. you are a phony. and a bad actor. you write the most ridiculous falderol! Nisargadatta would kick your ass. you kid yourself kid..and ONLY yourself. most readers of your nonsense just laugh uproariously. those who a subsumed in THAT..pity you. you poor sap. ROFLMAO! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Namaste: I am new to your list and was just wondering if this is the only type of discussion that goes on in the group? I've been here about a week now, and the only emails I've seen are the rant and tirade between two of the group members. I am new to Nisargadatta and was looking forward to learning more from this group. If this is not the place to learn, I'll keep looking. Thank you. Nanette Original Message: ----------------- roberibus111 Roberibus111 Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:58:17 -0000 Nisargadatta Re: transforming Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > its been a while since last time so to speak... > > > > > my life-film is still on from moment to moment...but I do not > > > give > > > > much > > > > > value or importance to it...so its like it is slowly > > > > > disappearing...like a man and his world transforming into a > > goast > > > > or a > > > > > shadow... > > > > > and the (inner) glow...who I am...without the body (or the > ego- > > > > me)...is > > > > > appearing to shine brighter and brighter...not that it is > > > > so...because > > > > > it is ever full-shining.... > > > > > its more like when I cling or give values to the material > > > > world...those > > > > > values transforms from goasts or shadows into the world and > > > > everything.. > > > > > and this everything covers the pure light of the Self... > > > > > and this is what is going on everywhere so to speak...the man > > > that > > > > is > > > > > really awake starts dreaming...and takes the dream to be > > > reality... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > look like a message....written for our beloved bbb... > > > > > > > > who is bbb? > > > > > > > > it's just another fiction of this your mentionned " pure light > of > > > the > > > > Self " .... > > > > > > > > whatever you do and write....it will always be for & from this > your > > > Self > > > > > > > > there is nothing else > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > if you train the body-it will become strong... > > > if you dont train the body-it will become weak... > > > a strong body = a body...a weak body = a body... > > > and its the same with mind...or anything... > > > ...if the body is weak...it is not enough to think or say " the > body > > > is strong " ...that is only stupid....its like going to a hungry > lion > > > with a piece of bread... > > > I offer only words here....nothing else... > > > words that can show you the way to the gates of liberation... > > > you can do what you want with the words... > > > from " liberation " they are absolutely meaningless... > > > but from bondage the can be helpful... > > > so, instead of being against what I write... > > > try to be more creative and write some helpful words to the ones > > that > > > are not yet realized in pure freedom... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > seem that you have/got a well trained mind so....for some reason.... > > > > i'm not against with what you write.....i tried to show you that > > there are No interests from bbb to this you mentionned " words that > > can show the way to the gates of liberation " .... > > > > even Not...after endless exchanges and words that you exchanged > with > > him > > > > .... > > > > first of all, this Your words are mentionned to/from YourSelf....as > i > > told you....there is nothing else. > > > > .... > > > > there is No bbb, seperated to You.....to whom You need to give any > > precious informations.... > > > > there is only an appearent other one....due to this your working > > (trained) ego-mind > > > > ..... > > > > if there were some awareness....You would have great fun with this > > appearent bbb....instead to get worry about anybodies " way to > > liberation " > > > > .... > > > > Marc > > > > I see your point... no you don't > but as I myself used to take myself for what I am not... you still do..or you wouldn't be talking about it. > lets call it...that I was blind thinking I could see... you're not even blind. 'you' are not period. jesus mary and joseph you're slow! > I understand that this appearant illusion was not only on (my) mind... > ...the one Self that is forever now...has somehow forgotten its > core... there is no core to Self. there is no 'outer' to Self. there is NON OTHER but Self. SELF has no inner or outer or above or below. you're lost. you've forgotten that. Self never forgets..nor remembers. Self does not play childish games. grow up. and attuned itself to its drawings...so to speak...in many > places... there aren't 'many places.' you're lost. >and because of this we have what we > call...separation...duality...and when one takes oneself for such a > part...(even if it is just a dream)...it creates the so called > dreamer that is living a so called life...(what I try to say is that > all is one...but in a cloudy way it is taken by the ignorant mind to > be many).... nice 'self' description. of course it has nothing whatsoever to do with 'Self' though. you just don't Understand. LOL! > I can never help another...one can only help oneself... you can't help yourself either. no one can. that's your biggest and most flawed notion. you are deluded in thinking that you are the exception. there is no such person place or thing. sheesh! get away with 'you'. :-) > but if I have the repice for a fantastic cake...why not give the > repice (to all my friends)... because the nonexistent cake that you have a recipe for.. is all wrong.. and it tastes like shit. hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa! > some will say...fu** the repice...I just want the cake... > but the cake is seldom tasted without knowing the repice... > (only accidentaly...as it was for me...I tasted the cake and suddenly > it was gone... oh for christ's sake shut up. you make such a fool of yourself darling. i'm embarresed for you. but actually... i don't give a monkey's uncle. >no more cake left...and I had no repice)... > the recipe is all...if there is missing only one tiny > ingredient...the cake will fail...or if not all the ingredients are > treated exact the same...the cake will fail... > ...iietsa listen betty crocker.. that's a crock and you know it. you are a phony. and a bad actor. you write the most ridiculous falderol! Nisargadatta would kick your ass. you kid yourself kid..and ONLY yourself. most readers of your nonsense just laugh uproariously. those who a subsumed in THAT..pity you. you poor sap. ROFLMAO! ..b b.b. -- mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " new00 " <new00 wrote: > > Namaste: > > I am new to your list and was just wondering if this is the only type of > discussion that goes on in the group? I've been here about a week now, and > the only emails I've seen are the rant and tirade between two of the group > members. > > I am new to Nisargadatta and was looking forward to learning more from this > group. If this is not the place to learn, I'll keep looking. > > Thank you. > > Nanette there are no members. what tirades? there's nothing to look for. who are you? that's all you need to ask or know. and the only one who can ask.. the only One who can answer... is? THAT which IS. :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " new00@ " <new00@> wrote: > > > > Namaste: > > > > I am new to your list and was just wondering if this is the only type of > > discussion that goes on in the group? I've been here about a week > now, and > > the only emails I've seen are the rant and tirade between two of the > group > > members. > > > > I am new to Nisargadatta and was looking forward to learning more > from this > > group. If this is not the place to learn, I'll keep looking. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Nanette > > > there are no members. > > what tirades? > > there's nothing to look for. > > who are you? > > that's all you need to ask or know. > > and the only one who can ask.. > > the only One who can answer... > > is? > > THAT which IS. > > > > :-) p.s. but if you're sincere...or not: a knowledge of the bible without a college course... is more valuable than a college course without the bible. of course both are worthless in the long run. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > its been a while since last time so to speak... > > > > > > my life-film is still on from moment to moment...but I do not > > > > give > > > > > much > > > > > > value or importance to it...so its like it is slowly > > > > > > disappearing...like a man and his world transforming into a > > > goast > > > > > or a > > > > > > shadow... > > > > > > and the (inner) glow...who I am...without the body (or the > > ego- > > > > > me)...is > > > > > > appearing to shine brighter and brighter...not that it is > > > > > so...because > > > > > > it is ever full-shining.... > > > > > > its more like when I cling or give values to the material > > > > > world...those > > > > > > values transforms from goasts or shadows into the world and > > > > > everything.. > > > > > > and this everything covers the pure light of the Self... > > > > > > and this is what is going on everywhere so to speak...the man > > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > really awake starts dreaming...and takes the dream to be > > > > reality... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look like a message....written for our beloved bbb... > > > > > > > > > > who is bbb? > > > > > > > > > > it's just another fiction of this your mentionned " pure light > > of > > > > the > > > > > Self " .... > > > > > > > > > > whatever you do and write....it will always be for & from this > > your > > > > Self > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you train the body-it will become strong... > > > > if you dont train the body-it will become weak... > > > > a strong body = a body...a weak body = a body... > > > > and its the same with mind...or anything... > > > > ...if the body is weak...it is not enough to think or say " the > > body > > > > is strong " ...that is only stupid....its like going to a hungry > > lion > > > > with a piece of bread... > > > > I offer only words here....nothing else... > > > > words that can show you the way to the gates of liberation... > > > > you can do what you want with the words... > > > > from " liberation " they are absolutely meaningless... > > > > but from bondage the can be helpful... > > > > so, instead of being against what I write... > > > > try to be more creative and write some helpful words to the ones > > > that > > > > are not yet realized in pure freedom... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem that you have/got a well trained mind so....for some reason.... > > > > > > i'm not against with what you write.....i tried to show you that > > > there are No interests from bbb to this you mentionned " words that > > > can show the way to the gates of liberation " .... > > > > > > even Not...after endless exchanges and words that you exchanged > > with > > > him > > > > > > .... > > > > > > first of all, this Your words are mentionned to/from YourSelf....as > > i > > > told you....there is nothing else. > > > > > > .... > > > > > > there is No bbb, seperated to You.....to whom You need to give any > > > precious informations.... > > > > > > there is only an appearent other one....due to this your working > > > (trained) ego-mind > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > if there were some awareness....You would have great fun with this > > > appearent bbb....instead to get worry about anybodies " way to > > > liberation " > > > > > > .... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > I see your point... > > > no you don't > > > > > but as I myself used to take myself for what I am not... > > > you still do..or you wouldn't be talking about it. > > > > > > lets call it...that I was blind thinking I could see... > > > > you're not even blind. > > 'you' are not period. > > jesus mary and joseph you're slow! > > > > I understand that this appearant illusion was not only on (my) mind... > > ...the one Self that is forever now...has somehow forgotten its > > core... > > > > there is no core to Self. > > there is no 'outer' to Self. > > there is NON OTHER but Self. > > SELF has no inner or outer or above or below. > > you're lost. > > you've forgotten that. > > Self never forgets..nor remembers. > > Self does not play childish games. > > grow up. > > > > > > and attuned itself to its drawings...so to speak...in many > > places... > > > > > > there aren't 'many places.' > > you're lost. > > > > >and because of this we have what we > > call...separation...duality...and when one takes oneself for such a > > part...(even if it is just a dream)...it creates the so called > > dreamer that is living a so called life...(what I try to say is that > > all is one...but in a cloudy way it is taken by the ignorant mind to > > be many).... > > > > nice 'self' description. > > of course it has nothing whatsoever to do with 'Self' though. > > you just don't Understand. > > LOL! > > > > > I can never help another...one can only help oneself... > > > > you can't help yourself either. > > no one can. > > that's your biggest and most flawed notion. > > you are deluded in thinking that you are the exception. > > there is no such person place or thing. > > sheesh! > > get away with 'you'. > > :-) > > > > > but if I have the repice for a fantastic cake...why not give the > > repice (to all my friends)... > > > > because the nonexistent cake that you have a recipe for.. > > is all wrong.. > > and it tastes like shit. > > hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa! > > > > > some will say...fu** the repice...I just want the cake... > > but the cake is seldom tasted without knowing the repice... > > (only accidentaly...as it was for me...I tasted the cake and suddenly > > it was gone... > > > > > oh for christ's sake shut up. > > you make such a fool of yourself darling. > > i'm embarresed for you. > > but actually... > > i don't give a monkey's uncle. > > > > > >no more cake left...and I had no repice)... > > the recipe is all...if there is missing only one tiny > > ingredient...the cake will fail...or if not all the ingredients are > > treated exact the same...the cake will fail... > > ...iietsa > > > > listen betty crocker.. > > that's a crock and you know it. > > you are a phony. > > and a bad actor. > > you write the most ridiculous falderol! > > Nisargadatta would kick your ass. > > you kid yourself kid..and ONLY yourself. > > most readers of your nonsense just laugh uproariously. > > those who a subsumed in THAT..pity you. > > you poor sap. > > ROFLMAO! > > .b b.b. > I dont know what Nis would do or not... but that is unimportant... what matters is fact...not ideas... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " new00 " <new00 wrote: > > Namaste: > > I am new to your list and was just wondering if this is the only type of > discussion that goes on in the group? I've been here about a week now, and > the only emails I've seen are the rant and tirade between two of the group > members. > > I am new to Nisargadatta and was looking forward to learning more from this > group. If this is not the place to learn, I'll keep looking. > > Thank you. > > Nanette > if you are here to learn...judging is not the way... you can go to all the groups in the world... if you bring judgemental thoughts...you will probably see problems everywhere...sit back and enjoy the drama...thats lesson number one... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > its been a while since last time so to speak... > > > > > my life-film is still on from moment to moment...but I do not > > > give > > > > much > > > > > value or importance to it...so its like it is slowly > > > > > disappearing...like a man and his world transforming into a > > goast > > > > or a > > > > > shadow... > > > > > and the (inner) glow...who I am...without the body (or the > ego- > > > > me)...is > > > > > appearing to shine brighter and brighter...not that it is > > > > so...because > > > > > it is ever full-shining.... > > > > > its more like when I cling or give values to the material > > > > world...those > > > > > values transforms from goasts or shadows into the world and > > > > everything.. > > > > > and this everything covers the pure light of the Self... > > > > > and this is what is going on everywhere so to speak...the man > > > that > > > > is > > > > > really awake starts dreaming...and takes the dream to be > > > reality... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > look like a message....written for our beloved bbb... > > > > > > > > who is bbb? > > > > > > > > it's just another fiction of this your mentionned " pure light > of > > > the > > > > Self " .... > > > > > > > > whatever you do and write....it will always be for & from this > your > > > Self > > > > > > > > there is nothing else > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > if you train the body-it will become strong... > > > if you dont train the body-it will become weak... > > > a strong body = a body...a weak body = a body... > > > and its the same with mind...or anything... > > > ...if the body is weak...it is not enough to think or say " the > body > > > is strong " ...that is only stupid....its like going to a hungry > lion > > > with a piece of bread... > > > I offer only words here....nothing else... > > > words that can show you the way to the gates of liberation... > > > you can do what you want with the words... > > > from " liberation " they are absolutely meaningless... > > > but from bondage the can be helpful... > > > so, instead of being against what I write... > > > try to be more creative and write some helpful words to the ones > > that > > > are not yet realized in pure freedom... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > seem that you have/got a well trained mind so....for some reason.... > > > > i'm not against with what you write.....i tried to show you that > > there are No interests from bbb to this you mentionned " words that > > can show the way to the gates of liberation " .... > > > > even Not...after endless exchanges and words that you exchanged > with > > him > > > > .... > > > > first of all, this Your words are mentionned to/from YourSelf....as > i > > told you....there is nothing else. > > > > .... > > > > there is No bbb, seperated to You.....to whom You need to give any > > precious informations.... > > > > there is only an appearent other one....due to this your working > > (trained) ego-mind > > > > ..... > > > > if there were some awareness....You would have great fun with this > > appearent bbb....instead to get worry about anybodies " way to > > liberation " > > > > .... > > > > Marc > > > > I see your point... > but as I myself used to take myself for what I am not... > lets call it...that I was blind thinking I could see... > I understand that this appearant illusion was not only on (my) mind... > ...the one Self that is forever now...has somehow forgotten its > core...and attuned itself to its drawings...so to speak...in many > places...and because of this we have what we > call...separation...duality...and when one takes oneself for such a > part...(even if it is just a dream)...it creates the so called > dreamer that is living a so called life...(what I try to say is that > all is one...but in a cloudy way it is taken by the ignorant mind to > be many).... > I can never help another...one can only help oneself... > but if I have the repice for a fantastic cake...why not give the > repice (to all my friends)... > some will say...fu** the repice...I just want the cake... > but the cake is seldom tasted without knowing the repice... > (only accidentaly...as it was for me...I tasted the cake and suddenly > it was gone...no more cake left...and I had no repice)... > the recipe is all...if there is missing only one tiny > ingredient...the cake will fail...or if not all the ingredients are > treated exact the same...the cake will fail... > ...iietsa > This your " fantastic recipe " is maybe only fantastic for You.... Means everybody enjoy other " fantastic recipe " The popes of all religions strongly believe they " got THE cake recipe " One don't need to be an expert to see what is the result of such troubles....all around the world.... means, to understand what is the nature of worldly troubles means, the non-sense of worldly behavior. Concerning duality.... There is only one possible duality. The one who is/live/dream/feel a worldly life....ignoring his/her real nature, means changless, formless and infinite Self....live in duality. The one who is aware of Self ...is free. The one who isn't, live in duality...means, isn't free. Duality happen from time to time....depending on the level of ignorance, means of ego-mind. Liberation always Is. It doesn't happen for nobody. * Marc * except for special someones....who take their little imaginary ego- mind for the Self Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Since my husband passed away in May, I've had all the drama I need in my life, without inviting drama in from outside forces. I apologize if you thought my email was judgmental. It was definitely a personal observation, based on my perception of an email exchange between you and b.b.b. I actually belong to several other and have never found problems in any of them, because I do not look for problems. But, it is difficult not to observe what is presented. Then again, I haven't seen the type of exchange that you and b.b.b. have engaged in on any other about spiritual teachings. That is not to say that they do not disagree or that there are not passionate discussions and disagreements, but I've never seen the type of name calling that I've seen here. I'll go back to watching the exchange of insults between you and b.b.b. and look for the lesson therein. Oh, and if I need a " lesson " from you, I'll be sure to ask for it. Until then, you are awfully presumptious. And I'm quite sure that lesson #1 in any study would not be to sit back and " enjoy " the drama. Observe yes, enjoy....??? Nanette Original Message: ----------------- iietsa iietsa Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:36:21 -0000 Nisargadatta Re: transforming Nisargadatta , " new00 " <new00 wrote: > > Namaste: > > I am new to your list and was just wondering if this is the only type of > discussion that goes on in the group? I've been here about a week now, and > the only emails I've seen are the rant and tirade between two of the group > members. > > I am new to Nisargadatta and was looking forward to learning more from this > group. If this is not the place to learn, I'll keep looking. > > Thank you. > > Nanette > if you are here to learn...judging is not the way... you can go to all the groups in the world... if you bring judgemental thoughts...you will probably see problems everywhere...sit back and enjoy the drama...thats lesson number one... ....iietsa -- mail2web.com – What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > its been a while since last time so to speak... > > > > > > my life-film is still on from moment to moment...but I do > not > > > > give > > > > > much > > > > > > value or importance to it...so its like it is slowly > > > > > > disappearing...like a man and his world transforming into a > > > goast > > > > > or a > > > > > > shadow... > > > > > > and the (inner) glow...who I am...without the body (or the > > ego- > > > > > me)...is > > > > > > appearing to shine brighter and brighter...not that it is > > > > > so...because > > > > > > it is ever full-shining.... > > > > > > its more like when I cling or give values to the material > > > > > world...those > > > > > > values transforms from goasts or shadows into the world and > > > > > everything.. > > > > > > and this everything covers the pure light of the Self... > > > > > > and this is what is going on everywhere so to speak...the > man > > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > really awake starts dreaming...and takes the dream to be > > > > reality... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look like a message....written for our beloved bbb... > > > > > > > > > > who is bbb? > > > > > > > > > > it's just another fiction of this your mentionned " pure light > > of > > > > the > > > > > Self " .... > > > > > > > > > > whatever you do and write....it will always be for & from this > > your > > > > Self > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you train the body-it will become strong... > > > > if you dont train the body-it will become weak... > > > > a strong body = a body...a weak body = a body... > > > > and its the same with mind...or anything... > > > > ...if the body is weak...it is not enough to think or say " the > > body > > > > is strong " ...that is only stupid....its like going to a hungry > > lion > > > > with a piece of bread... > > > > I offer only words here....nothing else... > > > > words that can show you the way to the gates of liberation... > > > > you can do what you want with the words... > > > > from " liberation " they are absolutely meaningless... > > > > but from bondage the can be helpful... > > > > so, instead of being against what I write... > > > > try to be more creative and write some helpful words to the > ones > > > that > > > > are not yet realized in pure freedom... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem that you have/got a well trained mind so....for some > reason.... > > > > > > i'm not against with what you write.....i tried to show you that > > > there are No interests from bbb to this you mentionned " words > that > > > can show the way to the gates of liberation " .... > > > > > > even Not...after endless exchanges and words that you exchanged > > with > > > him > > > > > > .... > > > > > > first of all, this Your words are mentionned to/from > YourSelf....as > > i > > > told you....there is nothing else. > > > > > > .... > > > > > > there is No bbb, seperated to You.....to whom You need to give > any > > > precious informations.... > > > > > > there is only an appearent other one....due to this your working > > > (trained) ego-mind > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > if there were some awareness....You would have great fun with > this > > > appearent bbb....instead to get worry about anybodies " way to > > > liberation " > > > > > > .... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > I see your point... > > but as I myself used to take myself for what I am not... > > lets call it...that I was blind thinking I could see... > > I understand that this appearant illusion was not only on (my) > mind... > > ...the one Self that is forever now...has somehow forgotten its > > core...and attuned itself to its drawings...so to speak...in many > > places...and because of this we have what we > > call...separation...duality...and when one takes oneself for such a > > part...(even if it is just a dream)...it creates the so called > > dreamer that is living a so called life...(what I try to say is > that > > all is one...but in a cloudy way it is taken by the ignorant mind > to > > be many).... > > I can never help another...one can only help oneself... > > but if I have the repice for a fantastic cake...why not give the > > repice (to all my friends)... > > some will say...fu** the repice...I just want the cake... > > but the cake is seldom tasted without knowing the repice... > > (only accidentaly...as it was for me...I tasted the cake and > suddenly > > it was gone...no more cake left...and I had no repice)... > > the recipe is all...if there is missing only one tiny > > ingredient...the cake will fail...or if not all the ingredients are > > treated exact the same...the cake will fail... > > ...iietsa > > > > > This your " fantastic recipe " is maybe only fantastic for You.... > Means everybody enjoy other " fantastic recipe " > > The popes of all religions strongly believe they " got THE cake recipe " > One don't need to be an expert to see what is the result of such > troubles....all around the world.... > means, to understand what is the nature of worldly troubles > means, the non-sense of worldly behavior. > > Concerning duality.... > There is only one possible duality. > The one who is/live/dream/feel a worldly life....ignoring his/her > real nature, means changless, formless and infinite Self....live in > duality. > > The one who is aware of Self ...is free. > The one who isn't, live in duality...means, isn't free. > > Duality happen from time to time....depending on the level of > ignorance, means of ego-mind. > > Liberation always Is. > It doesn't happen for nobody. * > > > Marc > > > > * except for special someones....who take their little imaginary ego- > mind for the Self > ....is this your own experience...or is it something you learned... to me at least...the words you are using...sounds kind of parroting... as if you have read and copied some texts from somewhere... I clould of course be wrong on this one... but...please...try to explain to me as if I was a ten year old...in a simple way...so that I can understand...the core of your understanding...and please use your own words... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its been a while since last time so to speak... > > > > > > > my life-film is still on from moment to moment...but I do > not > > > > > give > > > > > > much > > > > > > > value or importance to it...so its like it is slowly > > > > > > > disappearing...like a man and his world transforming into > a > > > > goast > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > shadow... > > > > > > > and the (inner) glow...who I am...without the body (or > the > > > ego- > > > > > > me)...is > > > > > > > appearing to shine brighter and brighter...not that it is > > > > > > so...because > > > > > > > it is ever full-shining.... > > > > > > > its more like when I cling or give values to the material > > > > > > world...those > > > > > > > values transforms from goasts or shadows into the world > and > > > > > > everything.. > > > > > > > and this everything covers the pure light of the Self... > > > > > > > and this is what is going on everywhere so to speak...the > man > > > > > that > > > > > > is > > > > > > > really awake starts dreaming...and takes the dream to be > > > > > reality... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look like a message....written for our beloved bbb... > > > > > > > > > > > > who is bbb? > > > > > > > > > > > > it's just another fiction of this your mentionned " pure > light > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > Self " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you do and write....it will always be for & from > this > > > your > > > > > Self > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you train the body-it will become strong... > > > > > if you dont train the body-it will become weak... > > > > > a strong body = a body...a weak body = a body... > > > > > and its the same with mind...or anything... > > > > > ...if the body is weak...it is not enough to think or > say " the > > > body > > > > > is strong " ...that is only stupid....its like going to a > hungry > > > lion > > > > > with a piece of bread... > > > > > I offer only words here....nothing else... > > > > > words that can show you the way to the gates of liberation... > > > > > you can do what you want with the words... > > > > > from " liberation " they are absolutely meaningless... > > > > > but from bondage the can be helpful... > > > > > so, instead of being against what I write... > > > > > try to be more creative and write some helpful words to the > ones > > > > that > > > > > are not yet realized in pure freedom... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem that you have/got a well trained mind so....for some > reason.... > > > > > > > > i'm not against with what you write.....i tried to show you > that > > > > there are No interests from bbb to this you mentionned " words > that > > > > can show the way to the gates of liberation " .... > > > > > > > > even Not...after endless exchanges and words that you exchanged > > > with > > > > him > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > first of all, this Your words are mentionned to/from > YourSelf....as > > > i > > > > told you....there is nothing else. > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > there is No bbb, seperated to You.....to whom You need to give > any > > > > precious informations.... > > > > > > > > there is only an appearent other one....due to this your > working > > > > (trained) ego-mind > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > if there were some awareness....You would have great fun with > this > > > > appearent bbb....instead to get worry about anybodies " way to > > > > liberation " > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > I see your point... > > > > > > no you don't > > > > > > > > > but as I myself used to take myself for what I am not... > > > > > > you still do..or you wouldn't be talking about it. > > > > > > > > > > > lets call it...that I was blind thinking I could see... > > > > > > > > you're not even blind. > > > > 'you' are not period. > > > > jesus mary and joseph you're slow! > > > > > > > I understand that this appearant illusion was not only on (my) > mind... > > > ...the one Self that is forever now...has somehow forgotten its > > > core... > > > > > > > > there is no core to Self. > > > > there is no 'outer' to Self. > > > > there is NON OTHER but Self. > > > > SELF has no inner or outer or above or below. > > > > you're lost. > > > > you've forgotten that. > > > > Self never forgets..nor remembers. > > > > Self does not play childish games. > > > > grow up. > > > > > > > > > > > > and attuned itself to its drawings...so to speak...in many > > > places... > > > > > > > > > > > > there aren't 'many places.' > > > > you're lost. > > > > > > > > >and because of this we have what we > > > call...separation...duality...and when one takes oneself for such > a > > > part...(even if it is just a dream)...it creates the so called > > > dreamer that is living a so called life...(what I try to say is > that > > > all is one...but in a cloudy way it is taken by the ignorant mind > to > > > be many).... > > > > > > > > nice 'self' description. > > > > of course it has nothing whatsoever to do with 'Self' though. > > > > you just don't Understand. > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > I can never help another...one can only help oneself... > > > > > > > > you can't help yourself either. > > > > no one can. > > > > that's your biggest and most flawed notion. > > > > you are deluded in thinking that you are the exception. > > > > there is no such person place or thing. > > > > sheesh! > > > > get away with 'you'. > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > but if I have the repice for a fantastic cake...why not give the > > > repice (to all my friends)... > > > > > > > > because the nonexistent cake that you have a recipe for.. > > > > is all wrong.. > > > > and it tastes like shit. > > > > hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa! > > > > > > > > > some will say...fu** the repice...I just want the cake... > > > but the cake is seldom tasted without knowing the repice... > > > (only accidentaly...as it was for me...I tasted the cake and > suddenly > > > it was gone... > > > > > > > > > > oh for christ's sake shut up. > > > > you make such a fool of yourself darling. > > > > i'm embarresed for you. > > > > but actually... > > > > i don't give a monkey's uncle. > > > > > > > > > > >no more cake left...and I had no repice)... > > > the recipe is all...if there is missing only one tiny > > > ingredient...the cake will fail...or if not all the ingredients > are > > > treated exact the same...the cake will fail... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > listen betty crocker.. > > > > that's a crock and you know it. > > > > you are a phony. > > > > and a bad actor. > > > > you write the most ridiculous falderol! > > > > Nisargadatta would kick your ass. > > > > you kid yourself kid..and ONLY yourself. > > > > most readers of your nonsense just laugh uproariously. > > > > those who a subsumed in THAT..pity you. > > > > you poor sap. > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > I dont know what Nis would do or not... > but that is unimportant... > what matters is fact...not ideas... > ...iietsa matters to who? nothing's important. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " new00@ " <new00@> wrote: > > > > Namaste: > > > > I am new to your list and was just wondering if this is the only > type of > > discussion that goes on in the group? I've been here about a week > now, and > > the only emails I've seen are the rant and tirade between two of > the group > > members. > > > > I am new to Nisargadatta and was looking forward to learning more > from this > > group. If this is not the place to learn, I'll keep looking. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Nanette > > > > if you are here to learn...judging is not the way... > > you can go to all the groups in the world... > if you bring judgemental thoughts...you will probably see problems > everywhere...sit back and enjoy the drama...thats lesson number one... > ...iietsa what makes you make that judgment about 'things'? LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its been a while since last time so to speak... > > > > > > > my life-film is still on from moment to moment...but I do > > not > > > > > give > > > > > > much > > > > > > > value or importance to it...so its like it is slowly > > > > > > > disappearing...like a man and his world transforming into > a > > > > goast > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > shadow... > > > > > > > and the (inner) glow...who I am...without the body (or > the > > > ego- > > > > > > me)...is > > > > > > > appearing to shine brighter and brighter...not that it is > > > > > > so...because > > > > > > > it is ever full-shining.... > > > > > > > its more like when I cling or give values to the material > > > > > > world...those > > > > > > > values transforms from goasts or shadows into the world > and > > > > > > everything.. > > > > > > > and this everything covers the pure light of the Self... > > > > > > > and this is what is going on everywhere so to speak...the > > man > > > > > that > > > > > > is > > > > > > > really awake starts dreaming...and takes the dream to be > > > > > reality... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look like a message....written for our beloved bbb... > > > > > > > > > > > > who is bbb? > > > > > > > > > > > > it's just another fiction of this your mentionned " pure > light > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > Self " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you do and write....it will always be for & from > this > > > your > > > > > Self > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you train the body-it will become strong... > > > > > if you dont train the body-it will become weak... > > > > > a strong body = a body...a weak body = a body... > > > > > and its the same with mind...or anything... > > > > > ...if the body is weak...it is not enough to think or > say " the > > > body > > > > > is strong " ...that is only stupid....its like going to a > hungry > > > lion > > > > > with a piece of bread... > > > > > I offer only words here....nothing else... > > > > > words that can show you the way to the gates of liberation... > > > > > you can do what you want with the words... > > > > > from " liberation " they are absolutely meaningless... > > > > > but from bondage the can be helpful... > > > > > so, instead of being against what I write... > > > > > try to be more creative and write some helpful words to the > > ones > > > > that > > > > > are not yet realized in pure freedom... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem that you have/got a well trained mind so....for some > > reason.... > > > > > > > > i'm not against with what you write.....i tried to show you > that > > > > there are No interests from bbb to this you mentionned " words > > that > > > > can show the way to the gates of liberation " .... > > > > > > > > even Not...after endless exchanges and words that you exchanged > > > with > > > > him > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > first of all, this Your words are mentionned to/from > > YourSelf....as > > > i > > > > told you....there is nothing else. > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > there is No bbb, seperated to You.....to whom You need to give > > any > > > > precious informations.... > > > > > > > > there is only an appearent other one....due to this your > working > > > > (trained) ego-mind > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > if there were some awareness....You would have great fun with > > this > > > > appearent bbb....instead to get worry about anybodies " way to > > > > liberation " > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > I see your point... > > > but as I myself used to take myself for what I am not... > > > lets call it...that I was blind thinking I could see... > > > I understand that this appearant illusion was not only on (my) > > mind... > > > ...the one Self that is forever now...has somehow forgotten its > > > core...and attuned itself to its drawings...so to speak...in many > > > places...and because of this we have what we > > > call...separation...duality...and when one takes oneself for such > a > > > part...(even if it is just a dream)...it creates the so called > > > dreamer that is living a so called life...(what I try to say is > > that > > > all is one...but in a cloudy way it is taken by the ignorant mind > > to > > > be many).... > > > I can never help another...one can only help oneself... > > > but if I have the repice for a fantastic cake...why not give the > > > repice (to all my friends)... > > > some will say...fu** the repice...I just want the cake... > > > but the cake is seldom tasted without knowing the repice... > > > (only accidentaly...as it was for me...I tasted the cake and > > suddenly > > > it was gone...no more cake left...and I had no repice)... > > > the recipe is all...if there is missing only one tiny > > > ingredient...the cake will fail...or if not all the ingredients > are > > > treated exact the same...the cake will fail... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > This your " fantastic recipe " is maybe only fantastic for You.... > > Means everybody enjoy other " fantastic recipe " > > > > The popes of all religions strongly believe they " got THE cake > recipe " > > One don't need to be an expert to see what is the result of such > > troubles....all around the world.... > > means, to understand what is the nature of worldly troubles > > means, the non-sense of worldly behavior. > > > > Concerning duality.... > > There is only one possible duality. > > The one who is/live/dream/feel a worldly life....ignoring his/her > > real nature, means changless, formless and infinite Self....live in > > duality. > > > > The one who is aware of Self ...is free. > > The one who isn't, live in duality...means, isn't free. > > > > Duality happen from time to time....depending on the level of > > ignorance, means of ego-mind. > > > > Liberation always Is. > > It doesn't happen for nobody. * > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > * except for special someones....who take their little imaginary > ego- > > mind for the Self > > > > ...is this your own experience...or is it something you learned... > to me at least...the words you are using...sounds kind of parroting... > as if you have read and copied some texts from somewhere... > I clould of course be wrong on this one... > but...please...try to explain to me as if I was a ten year old...in a > simple way...so that I can understand...the core of your > understanding...and please use your own words... > ...iietsa > it wouldn't make any sense if i would copy some words somewhere.... there are enough people doing this....and still don't understand what they have read in their fantastic books....about/from whatever strange (pseudo) Gurus i'm using my words....and i'm talking about my perception, that's all i don't expect anybody to completely understand what i'm writing... that is Not the reason i'm writing... (as i told you in messages before....what is the main use of messages) ..... i don't feel to make some effort....trying to write in other manner and words.... sorry about Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " new00 " <new00 wrote: > > Since my husband passed away in May, I've had all the drama I need in my > life, without inviting drama in from outside forces. > > I apologize if you thought my email was judgmental. It was definitely a > personal observation, based on my perception of an email exchange between > you and b.b.b. I actually belong to several other and have > never found problems in any of them, because I do not look for problems. > But, it is difficult not to observe what is presented. Then again, I > haven't seen the type of exchange that you and b.b.b. have engaged in on > any other about spiritual teachings. That is not to say that > they do not disagree or that there are not passionate discussions and > disagreements, but I've never seen the type of name calling that I've seen > here. > > I'll go back to watching the exchange of insults between you and b.b.b. and > look for the lesson therein. > > Oh, and if I need a " lesson " from you, I'll be sure to ask for it. Until > then, you are awfully presumptious. And I'm quite sure that lesson #1 in > any study would not be to sit back and " enjoy " the drama. Observe yes, > enjoy....??? > > Nanette you go girl! that's a great reply. and it's 'your' truth. the one and only truth for any of us phantoms. ;-) ..b b.b. > Original Message: > ----------------- > iietsa iietsa > Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:36:21 -0000 > Nisargadatta > Re: transforming > > > Nisargadatta , " new00@ " <new00@> wrote: > > > > Namaste: > > > > I am new to your list and was just wondering if this is the only > type of > > discussion that goes on in the group? I've been here about a week > now, and > > the only emails I've seen are the rant and tirade between two of > the group > > members. > > > > I am new to Nisargadatta and was looking forward to learning more > from this > > group. If this is not the place to learn, I'll keep looking. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Nanette > > > > if you are here to learn...judging is not the way... > > you can go to all the groups in the world... > if you bring judgemental thoughts...you will probably see problems > everywhere...sit back and enjoy the drama...thats lesson number one... > ...iietsa > > > > -- > mail2web.com – What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its been a while since last time so to speak... > > > > > > > my life-film is still on from moment to moment...but I do > > not > > > > > give > > > > > > much > > > > > > > value or importance to it...so its like it is slowly > > > > > > > disappearing...like a man and his world transforming into > a > > > > goast > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > shadow... > > > > > > > and the (inner) glow...who I am...without the body (or > the > > > ego- > > > > > > me)...is > > > > > > > appearing to shine brighter and brighter...not that it is > > > > > > so...because > > > > > > > it is ever full-shining.... > > > > > > > its more like when I cling or give values to the material > > > > > > world...those > > > > > > > values transforms from goasts or shadows into the world > and > > > > > > everything.. > > > > > > > and this everything covers the pure light of the Self... > > > > > > > and this is what is going on everywhere so to speak...the > > man > > > > > that > > > > > > is > > > > > > > really awake starts dreaming...and takes the dream to be > > > > > reality... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look like a message....written for our beloved bbb... > > > > > > > > > > > > who is bbb? > > > > > > > > > > > > it's just another fiction of this your mentionned " pure > light > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > Self " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever you do and write....it will always be for & from > this > > > your > > > > > Self > > > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you train the body-it will become strong... > > > > > if you dont train the body-it will become weak... > > > > > a strong body = a body...a weak body = a body... > > > > > and its the same with mind...or anything... > > > > > ...if the body is weak...it is not enough to think or > say " the > > > body > > > > > is strong " ...that is only stupid....its like going to a > hungry > > > lion > > > > > with a piece of bread... > > > > > I offer only words here....nothing else... > > > > > words that can show you the way to the gates of liberation... > > > > > you can do what you want with the words... > > > > > from " liberation " they are absolutely meaningless... > > > > > but from bondage the can be helpful... > > > > > so, instead of being against what I write... > > > > > try to be more creative and write some helpful words to the > > ones > > > > that > > > > > are not yet realized in pure freedom... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem that you have/got a well trained mind so....for some > > reason.... > > > > > > > > i'm not against with what you write.....i tried to show you > that > > > > there are No interests from bbb to this you mentionned " words > > that > > > > can show the way to the gates of liberation " .... > > > > > > > > even Not...after endless exchanges and words that you exchanged > > > with > > > > him > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > first of all, this Your words are mentionned to/from > > YourSelf....as > > > i > > > > told you....there is nothing else. > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > there is No bbb, seperated to You.....to whom You need to give > > any > > > > precious informations.... > > > > > > > > there is only an appearent other one....due to this your > working > > > > (trained) ego-mind > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > if there were some awareness....You would have great fun with > > this > > > > appearent bbb....instead to get worry about anybodies " way to > > > > liberation " > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > I see your point... > > > but as I myself used to take myself for what I am not... > > > lets call it...that I was blind thinking I could see... > > > I understand that this appearant illusion was not only on (my) > > mind... > > > ...the one Self that is forever now...has somehow forgotten its > > > core...and attuned itself to its drawings...so to speak...in many > > > places...and because of this we have what we > > > call...separation...duality...and when one takes oneself for such > a > > > part...(even if it is just a dream)...it creates the so called > > > dreamer that is living a so called life...(what I try to say is > > that > > > all is one...but in a cloudy way it is taken by the ignorant mind > > to > > > be many).... > > > I can never help another...one can only help oneself... > > > but if I have the repice for a fantastic cake...why not give the > > > repice (to all my friends)... > > > some will say...fu** the repice...I just want the cake... > > > but the cake is seldom tasted without knowing the repice... > > > (only accidentaly...as it was for me...I tasted the cake and > > suddenly > > > it was gone...no more cake left...and I had no repice)... > > > the recipe is all...if there is missing only one tiny > > > ingredient...the cake will fail...or if not all the ingredients > are > > > treated exact the same...the cake will fail... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > This your " fantastic recipe " is maybe only fantastic for You.... > > Means everybody enjoy other " fantastic recipe " > > > > The popes of all religions strongly believe they " got THE cake > recipe " > > One don't need to be an expert to see what is the result of such > > troubles....all around the world.... > > means, to understand what is the nature of worldly troubles > > means, the non-sense of worldly behavior. > > > > Concerning duality.... > > There is only one possible duality. > > The one who is/live/dream/feel a worldly life....ignoring his/her > > real nature, means changless, formless and infinite Self....live in > > duality. > > > > The one who is aware of Self ...is free. > > The one who isn't, live in duality...means, isn't free. > > > > Duality happen from time to time....depending on the level of > > ignorance, means of ego-mind. > > > > Liberation always Is. > > It doesn't happen for nobody. * > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > * except for special someones....who take their little imaginary > ego- > > mind for the Self > > > > ...is this your own experience...or is it something you learned... > to me at least...the words you are using...sounds kind of parroting... > as if you have read and copied some texts from somewhere... > I clould of course be wrong on this one... > but...please...try to explain to me as if I was a ten year old...in a > simple way...so that I can understand...the core of your > understanding...and please use your own words... > ...iietsa you won't understand those either preacher. you only want to preach. we all understand that. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " new00 " <new00 wrote: > > Since my husband passed away in May, I've had all the drama I need in my > life, without inviting drama in from outside forces. > > I apologize if you thought my email was judgmental. It was definitely a > personal observation, based on my perception of an email exchange between > you and b.b.b. I actually belong to several other and have > never found problems in any of them, because I do not look for problems. > But, it is difficult not to observe what is presented. Then again, I > haven't seen the type of exchange that you and b.b.b. have engaged in on > any other about spiritual teachings. That is not to say that > they do not disagree or that there are not passionate discussions and > disagreements, but I've never seen the type of name calling that I've seen > here. > > I'll go back to watching the exchange of insults between you and b.b.b. and > look for the lesson therein. > > Oh, and if I need a " lesson " from you, I'll be sure to ask for it. Until > then, you are awfully presumptious. And I'm quite sure that lesson #1 in > any study would not be to sit back and " enjoy " the drama. Observe yes, > enjoy....??? > > Nanette > > if I am awfully presumptious to you...then its your own creation... not everybody is disturbed by my and b.b.b. conversation... ....maby its just you who adds something extra... ....iietsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
