Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > Free after some sort of Zen quote; > > > > If there is no attachment from the mind to things, is there still > > attachment...then? > > > > > > In nature what is " attached " ? > > > " Attachment " is an adjective that conceptual mind uses in an attempt > to define its own perceptions. > > > Anything that pertains to that which is imaginary......is imaginary. > > > Conceptual mind and its imaginary entity is a closed, self- referential > loop. > > There is nothing there to be attached. > > > > > toombaru Nature doesn't know about adjectives either. But...attachment does not depends on anybodies or natures presence or absence. Where there is a mind there is attachment. The conceptual mind is there so you u can tell about it (attachments and imaginary entities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Free after some sort of Zen quote; > > > > If there is no attachment from the mind to things, is there still > > attachment...then? > > > > > > In nature what is " attached " ? > > > " Attachment " is an adjective that conceptual mind uses in an attempt > to define its own perceptions. > > > Anything that pertains to that which is imaginary......is imaginary. > > > Conceptual mind and its imaginary ut theentity is a closed, self- referential > loop. > > There is nothing there to be attached. > > > toombaru > Not quite, toomb, There is attachment and thefore also the attached to. But there is no separate one who is attached. The attached to, the attachment and the one who is attached is one and the same. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > <yohansky@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Free after some sort of Zen quote; > > > > > > If there is no attachment from the mind to things, is there still > > > attachment...then? > > > > > > > > > > > In nature what is " attached " ? > > > > > > " Attachment " is an adjective that conceptual mind uses in an attempt > > to define its own perceptions. > > > > > > Anything that pertains to that which is imaginary......is imaginary. > > > > > > Conceptual mind and its imaginary entity is a closed, self- > referential > > loop. > > > > There is nothing there to be attached. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Nature doesn't know about adjectives either. Indeed. > > But...attachment does not depends on anybodies or natures presence or > absence. Where there is a mind there is attachment. What is this " mind " thing but another adjective that attempts to describe the imaginary? > > The conceptual mind is there so you u can tell about it (attachments > and imaginary entities. > Yes. It is the only tool that can be used to see through its own melodrama. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The phenomenal is the door into the dream......and the > > only > > > > > > door > > > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beware of the dream becoming an attachment... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To beware of gettng attached is pretty neurotic ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's all in the mind... > > > > > > > > > > > > Aint it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only to mind is it all mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't mind, do you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > Where is this " I " thing that imagines that it doesn't mind? > > > > > > What is its nature? > > > > > > Is it outside of the mind? > > > > > > Can it see itself? > > > > > > What are you? > > > > > > Who are you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > It's like an imaginary little christmas tree that has been given to > > me at birth by ignorance. It was left to my own fantasy how I > > decorated that tree. And boy oh boy, did I do a good job. > > > > > > There is in the above the assumption of an autonomous self at the > center of the swirling mnemonic debris. > > It is that assumption that must erode before the catharsis implodes > the known dream-world and the natural flowing can commence. > > toombaru Are you guessing or presuming I'm an autonmous 'thing'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Free after some sort of Zen quote; > > > > > > If there is no attachment from the mind to things, is there still > > > attachment...then? > > > > > > > > > > > In nature what is " attached " ? > > > > > > " Attachment " is an adjective that conceptual mind uses in an attempt > > to define its own perceptions. > > > > > > Anything that pertains to that which is imaginary......is imaginary. > > > > > > Conceptual mind and its imaginary entity is a closed, self- > referential > > loop. > > > > There is nothing there to be attached. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Not quite, toomb, > > There is attachment and thefore also the attached to. But there is no > separate one who is attached. 'Attachment " applies only to the imaginary. If there is no one to be attached.......there is no attachment. toombaru > > The attached to, the attachment and the one who is attached is one > and the same. > > Werner > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > > > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Free after some sort of Zen quote; > > > > > > > > If there is no attachment from the mind to things, is there still > > > > attachment...then? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In nature what is " attached " ? > > > > > > > > > " Attachment " is an adjective that conceptual mind uses in an attempt > > > to define its own perceptions. > > > > > > > > > Anything that pertains to that which is imaginary......is imaginary. > > > > > > > > > Conceptual mind and its imaginary entity is a closed, self- > > referential > > > loop. > > > > > > There is nothing there to be attached. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Nature doesn't know about adjectives either. > > > Indeed. > > > > > > > > But...attachment does not depends on anybodies or natures presence or > > absence. Where there is a mind there is attachment. What is this " mind " thing but another adjective that attempts to > describe the imaginary? > > It's that same thing that replied to this message. A phantom at best, IMHO. > > > > > > > > > The conceptual mind is there so you u can tell about it (attachments > > and imaginary entities. > > > > > Yes. > > It is the only tool that can be used to see through its own melodrama. > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > <yohansky@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > > > > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Free after some sort of Zen quote; > > > > > > > > > > If there is no attachment from the mind to things, is there > still > > > > > attachment...then? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In nature what is " attached " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > " Attachment " is an adjective that conceptual mind uses in an > attempt > > > > to define its own perceptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anything that pertains to that which is imaginary......is > imaginary. > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual mind and its imaginary entity is a closed, self- > > > referential > > > > loop. > > > > > > > > There is nothing there to be attached. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Nature doesn't know about adjectives either. > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But...attachment does not depends on anybodies or natures > presence or > > > absence. Where there is a mind there is attachment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is this " mind " thing but another adjective that attempts to > > describe the imaginary? > > > > > > It's that same thing that replied to this message. A phantom at > best, IMHO. > > > Something most peculiar happens when the phantom sees itself as a phantom. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 > > > > > > Something most peculiar happens when the phantom sees itself as a phantom. > > > > toombaru P: Live, from San Diego, it's Halloween night! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Free after some sort of Zen quote; > > > > > > > > > > If there is no attachment from the mind to things, is there > still > > > > > attachment...then? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In nature what is " attached " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > " Attachment " is an adjective that conceptual mind uses in an > attempt > > > > to define its own perceptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anything that pertains to that which is imaginary......is > imaginary. > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual mind and its imaginary entity is a closed, self- > > > referential > > > > loop. > > > > > > > > There is nothing there to be attached. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not quite, toomb, > > > > > > There is attachment and thefore also the attached to. But there > is no > > > separate one who is attached. > > > > > > > > > > 'Attachment " applies only to the imaginary. > > > > > > > No toomb, > > that attachment implies only to the imaginary, as you meant, is just > philosophyzing. Yes. .....it's only words......and words are all I have......to steal your heart away..... :-) > > Attachment is an emotional quality and it belongs to the process of > identification. You're not gonna get your hands around this with words. The you thing is that attempt. > > One even can equal attachment and identification. It is the same. Imaginary things cannot be that same as other imaginary things. > > To be identified with sommething is to be attached to it. > > The stronger the attachment or identification the stronger are the > emotions caused by it. > > It is not a philosophy. It is one's daily life. > > Werner > > One doesn't have a daily life. toombaru I'm off to work It's been fun. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something most peculiar happens when the phantom sees itself as a > phantom. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > P: Live, from San Diego, it's Halloween night! > > > .............i see dead peeeeeople................ :-0 toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something most peculiar happens when the phantom sees itself as a > > phantom. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > P: Live, from San Diego, it's Halloween night! > > > > > > > T: ............i see dead peeeeeople.... P: said, the mortician. Don't worry, dead people are " cool. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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