Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Please permit me to inform you that the Sai who is refered to in this 'ad' is not the Sai to be confused with the Sai of the Golden Balls and Rolexes, but hey...what Sai? This is a Sai who spoke very little, and left his body long before the Rolex would become a status symbol as we know it today. http://www.saibabaofshirdi.net/ This is a Sai...well everything has been throwin' at him that smells and looks dark. http://www.sathyasai.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky wrote: > > Please permit me to inform you that the Sai who is refered to in > this 'ad' is not the Sai to be confused with the Sai of the Golden > Balls and Rolexes, but hey...what Sai? > > > This is a Sai who spoke very little, and left his body long before the > Rolex would become a status symbol as we know it today. > http://www.saibabaofshirdi.net/ > > This is a Sai...well everything has been throwin' at him that smells > and looks dark. > http://www.sathyasai.org/ > I'm sorry...I got my Sais confused. :-0 But......I gotta tell you.....after a certain point in the journey......all so called gurus are charlatans. There comes a time when they are seen for what they really and and are left in the dust as one hurls through space and time......alone. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Please permit me to inform you that the Sai who is refered to in > > this 'ad' is not the Sai to be confused with the Sai of the Golden > > Balls and Rolexes, but hey...what Sai? > > > > > > This is a Sai who spoke very little, and left his body long before the > > Rolex would become a status symbol as we know it today. > > http://www.saibabaofshirdi.net/ > > > > This is a Sai...well everything has been throwin' at him that smells > > and looks dark. > > http://www.sathyasai.org/ > > > > I'm sorry...I got my Sais confused. > > :-0 > > But......I gotta tell you.....after a certain point in the > journey......all so called gurus are charlatans. > > > There comes a time when they are seen for what they really and and are > left in the dust as one hurls through space and time......alone. > > > > > toombaru > The day of Golden Balls and Rolexes are over. So are the communities that spawn them. It takes nothing to be spiritual. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 toombaru2006 wrote: > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky wrote: > >> Please permit me to inform you that the Sai who is refered to in >> this 'ad' is not the Sai to be confused with the Sai of the Golden >> Balls and Rolexes, but hey...what Sai? >> >> >> This is a Sai who spoke very little, and left his body long before the >> Rolex would become a status symbol as we know it today. >> http://www.saibabaofshirdi.net/ >> >> This is a Sai...well everything has been throwin' at him that smells >> and looks dark. >> http://www.sathyasai.org/ >> >> > > I'm sorry...I got my Sais confused. > > :-0 > > But......I gotta tell you.....after a certain point in the > journey......all so called gurus are charlatans. > > > There comes a time when they are seen for what they really and and are > left in the dust as one hurls through space and time......alone. > > > > > toombaru > > > --- > > I wonder if Sai has any advice for the world economic crisis. What makes me laugh about current events though, is that the global economic crisis is nothing, compared to looming global environmental crisis. :-D Que sera sera. tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Please permit me to inform you that the Sai who is refered to in > > this 'ad' is not the Sai to be confused with the Sai of the Golden > > Balls and Rolexes, but hey...what Sai? > > > > > > This is a Sai who spoke very little, and left his body long before the > > Rolex would become a status symbol as we know it today. > > http://www.saibabaofshirdi.net/ > > > > This is a Sai...well everything has been throwin' at him that smells > > and looks dark. > > http://www.sathyasai.org/ > > > > I'm sorry...I got my Sais confused. > > :-0 > > But......I gotta tell you.....after a certain point in the > journey......all so called gurus are charlatans. > > > There comes a time when they are seen for what they really and and are > left in the dust as one hurls through space and time......alone. > Alone indeed, Wrapped in Saffron cotton Cladded With fear ...., Grabbling In the abyss For the Inner Guru. > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Please permit me to inform you that the Sai who is refered to in > > > this 'ad' is not the Sai to be confused with the Sai of the > Golden > > > Balls and Rolexes, but hey...what Sai? > > > > > > > > > This is a Sai who spoke very little, and left his body long > before the > > > Rolex would become a status symbol as we know it today. > > > http://www.saibabaofshirdi.net/ > > > > > > This is a Sai...well everything has been throwin' at him that > smells > > > and looks dark. > > > http://www.sathyasai.org/ > > > > > > > I'm sorry...I got my Sais confused. > > > > :-0 > > > > But......I gotta tell you.....after a certain point in the > > journey......all so called gurus are charlatans. > > > > > > There comes a time when they are seen for what they really and and > are > > left in the dust as one hurls through space and time......alone. > > > > Alone indeed, > > Wrapped in > > Saffron cotton > > Cladded > > With fear > > ..., > > Grabbling > > In the abyss > > For the > > Inner Guru. > > LOL Yes......Kinda like that. When the falling begins......it is accompanied by a great fear as the known world slips away. As things flow past......there remains a tendency to grab and clutch.....but now it is phantom hands that reach out to phantom objects. After a time the phantom perspective takes the back seat and one is free to become the flowing itself. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Please permit me to inform you that the Sai who is refered to in > > > > this 'ad' is not the Sai to be confused with the Sai of the > > Golden > > > > Balls and Rolexes, but hey...what Sai? > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Sai who spoke very little, and left his body long > > before the > > > > Rolex would become a status symbol as we know it today. > > > > http://www.saibabaofshirdi.net/ > > > > > > > > This is a Sai...well everything has been throwin' at him that > > smells > > > > and looks dark. > > > > http://www.sathyasai.org/ > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry...I got my Sais confused. > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > But......I gotta tell you.....after a certain point in the > > > journey......all so called gurus are charlatans. > > > > > > > > > There comes a time when they are seen for what they really and and > > are > > > left in the dust as one hurls through space and time......alone. > > > > > > > Alone indeed, > > > > Wrapped in > > > > Saffron cotton > > > > Cladded > > > > With fear > > > > ..., > > > > Grabbling > > > > In the abyss > > > > For the > > > > Inner Guru. > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > Yes......Kinda like that. > > > When the falling begins......it is accompanied by a great fear as the > known world slips away. > > As things flow past......there remains a tendency to grab and > clutch.....but now it is phantom hands that reach out to phantom objects. > > After a time the phantom perspective takes the back seat and one is > free to become the flowing itself. > > > > > > toombaru > Beware of phenomenas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Please permit me to inform you that the Sai who is refered to > in > > > > > this 'ad' is not the Sai to be confused with the Sai of the > > > Golden > > > > > Balls and Rolexes, but hey...what Sai? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Sai who spoke very little, and left his body long > > > before the > > > > > Rolex would become a status symbol as we know it today. > > > > > http://www.saibabaofshirdi.net/ > > > > > > > > > > This is a Sai...well everything has been throwin' at him that > > > smells > > > > > and looks dark. > > > > > http://www.sathyasai.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry...I got my Sais confused. > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > But......I gotta tell you.....after a certain point in the > > > > journey......all so called gurus are charlatans. > > > > > > > > > > > > There comes a time when they are seen for what they really and > and > > > are > > > > left in the dust as one hurls through space and time......alone. > > > > > > > > > > Alone indeed, > > > > > > Wrapped in > > > > > > Saffron cotton > > > > > > Cladded > > > > > > With fear > > > > > > ..., > > > > > > Grabbling > > > > > > In the abyss > > > > > > For the > > > > > > Inner Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > Yes......Kinda like that. > > > > > > When the falling begins......it is accompanied by a great fear as > the > > known world slips away. > > > > As things flow past......there remains a tendency to grab and > > clutch.....but now it is phantom hands that reach out to phantom > objects. > > > > After a time the phantom perspective takes the back seat and one is > > free to become the flowing itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Beware of phenomenas... > > > The phenomenal is the door into the dream......and the only door out. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Please permit me to inform you that the Sai who is refered to > > in > > > > > > this 'ad' is not the Sai to be confused with the Sai of the > > > > Golden > > > > > > Balls and Rolexes, but hey...what Sai? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Sai who spoke very little, and left his body long > > > > before the > > > > > > Rolex would become a status symbol as we know it today. > > > > > > http://www.saibabaofshirdi.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Sai...well everything has been throwin' at him that > > > > smells > > > > > > and looks dark. > > > > > > http://www.sathyasai.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry...I got my Sais confused. > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > But......I gotta tell you.....after a certain point in the > > > > > journey......all so called gurus are charlatans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There comes a time when they are seen for what they really and > > and > > > > are > > > > > left in the dust as one hurls through space and time......alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alone indeed, > > > > > > > > Wrapped in > > > > > > > > Saffron cotton > > > > > > > > Cladded > > > > > > > > With fear > > > > > > > > ..., > > > > > > > > Grabbling > > > > > > > > In the abyss > > > > > > > > For the > > > > > > > > Inner Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > Yes......Kinda like that. > > > > > > > > > When the falling begins......it is accompanied by a great fear as > > the > > > known world slips away. > > > > > > As things flow past......there remains a tendency to grab and > > > clutch.....but now it is phantom hands that reach out to phantom > > objects. > > > > > > After a time the phantom perspective takes the back seat and one is > > > free to become the flowing itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > Beware of phenomenas... > > > > > > > > > > The phenomenal is the door into the dream......and the only door out. > > > > > toombaru > Beware of the dream becoming an attachment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > The phenomenal is the door into the dream......and the only door > out. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Beware of the dream becoming an attachment... > To beware of gettng attached is pretty neurotic ... Isn't it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The phenomenal is the door into the dream......and the only door > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > Beware of the dream becoming an attachment... > > > > > To beware of gettng attached is pretty neurotic ... > > Isn't it ? > It's all in the mind... Aint it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The phenomenal is the door into the dream......and the only > door > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Beware of the dream becoming an attachment... > > > > > > > > > To beware of gettng attached is pretty neurotic ... > > > > Isn't it ? > > > > It's all in the mind... > > Aint it? > Ok then: To beware of the mind is pretty neurotic... Aint it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please permit me to inform you that the Sai who is > refered to > > > in > > > > > > > this 'ad' is not the Sai to be confused with the Sai of > the > > > > > Golden > > > > > > > Balls and Rolexes, but hey...what Sai? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Sai who spoke very little, and left his body > long > > > > > before the > > > > > > > Rolex would become a status symbol as we know it today. > > > > > > > http://www.saibabaofshirdi.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Sai...well everything has been throwin' at him > that > > > > > smells > > > > > > > and looks dark. > > > > > > > http://www.sathyasai.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry...I got my Sais confused. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > But......I gotta tell you.....after a certain point in the > > > > > > journey......all so called gurus are charlatans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There comes a time when they are seen for what they really > and > > > and > > > > > are > > > > > > left in the dust as one hurls through space and > time......alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alone indeed, > > > > > > > > > > Wrapped in > > > > > > > > > > Saffron cotton > > > > > > > > > > Cladded > > > > > > > > > > With fear > > > > > > > > > > ..., > > > > > > > > > > Grabbling > > > > > > > > > > In the abyss > > > > > > > > > > For the > > > > > > > > > > Inner Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes......Kinda like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > When the falling begins......it is accompanied by a great fear > as > > > the > > > > known world slips away. > > > > > > > > As things flow past......there remains a tendency to grab and > > > > clutch.....but now it is phantom hands that reach out to > phantom > > > objects. > > > > > > > > After a time the phantom perspective takes the back seat and > one is > > > > free to become the flowing itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Beware of phenomenas... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The phenomenal is the door into the dream......and the only door > out. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Beware of the dream becoming an attachment... An attachment to what? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The phenomenal is the door into the dream......and the only > > door > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beware of the dream becoming an attachment... > > > > > > > > > > > > > To beware of gettng attached is pretty neurotic ... > > > > > > Isn't it ? > > > > > > > It's all in the mind... > > > > Aint it? > > > > > Ok then: > > To beware of the mind is pretty neurotic... > > Aint it ? > In the end it is what YOU like it to be, and how you live/cope with that awareness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The phenomenal is the door into the dream......and the only > door > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Beware of the dream becoming an attachment... > > > > > > > > > To beware of gettng attached is pretty neurotic ... > > > > Isn't it ? > > > > It's all in the mind... > > Aint it? > Only to mind is it all mind. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please permit me to inform you that the Sai who is > > refered to > > > > in > > > > > > > > this 'ad' is not the Sai to be confused with the Sai of > > the > > > > > > Golden > > > > > > > > Balls and Rolexes, but hey...what Sai? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Sai who spoke very little, and left his body > > long > > > > > > before the > > > > > > > > Rolex would become a status symbol as we know it today. > > > > > > > > http://www.saibabaofshirdi.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Sai...well everything has been throwin' at him > > that > > > > > > smells > > > > > > > > and looks dark. > > > > > > > > http://www.sathyasai.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry...I got my Sais confused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But......I gotta tell you.....after a certain point in the > > > > > > > journey......all so called gurus are charlatans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There comes a time when they are seen for what they really > > and > > > > and > > > > > > are > > > > > > > left in the dust as one hurls through space and > > time......alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alone indeed, > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrapped in > > > > > > > > > > > > Saffron cotton > > > > > > > > > > > > Cladded > > > > > > > > > > > > With fear > > > > > > > > > > > > ..., > > > > > > > > > > > > Grabbling > > > > > > > > > > > > In the abyss > > > > > > > > > > > > For the > > > > > > > > > > > > Inner Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes......Kinda like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the falling begins......it is accompanied by a great fear > > as > > > > the > > > > > known world slips away. > > > > > > > > > > As things flow past......there remains a tendency to grab and > > > > > clutch.....but now it is phantom hands that reach out to > > phantom > > > > objects. > > > > > > > > > > After a time the phantom perspective takes the back seat and > > one is > > > > > free to become the flowing itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beware of phenomenas... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The phenomenal is the door into the dream......and the only door > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > Beware of the dream becoming an attachment... > > > > > > An attachment to what? > > > toombaru > These messages for instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The phenomenal is the door into the dream......and the only > > door > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beware of the dream becoming an attachment... > > > > > > > > > > > > > To beware of gettng attached is pretty neurotic ... > > > > > > Isn't it ? > > > > > > > It's all in the mind... > > > > Aint it? > > > > > Only to mind is it all mind. > > > > toombaru > I don't mind, do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > <yohansky@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please permit me to inform you that the Sai who is > > > refered to > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > this 'ad' is not the Sai to be confused with the Sai > of > > > the > > > > > > > Golden > > > > > > > > > Balls and Rolexes, but hey...what Sai? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Sai who spoke very little, and left his > body > > > long > > > > > > > before the > > > > > > > > > Rolex would become a status symbol as we know it > today. > > > > > > > > > http://www.saibabaofshirdi.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Sai...well everything has been throwin' at > him > > > that > > > > > > > smells > > > > > > > > > and looks dark. > > > > > > > > > http://www.sathyasai.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry...I got my Sais confused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But......I gotta tell you.....after a certain point in > the > > > > > > > > journey......all so called gurus are charlatans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There comes a time when they are seen for what they > really > > > and > > > > > and > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > left in the dust as one hurls through space and > > > time......alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alone indeed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrapped in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saffron cotton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cladded > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With fear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grabbling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the abyss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inner Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes......Kinda like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the falling begins......it is accompanied by a great > fear > > > as > > > > > the > > > > > > known world slips away. > > > > > > > > > > > > As things flow past......there remains a tendency to grab > and > > > > > > clutch.....but now it is phantom hands that reach out to > > > phantom > > > > > objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > After a time the phantom perspective takes the back seat > and > > > one is > > > > > > free to become the flowing itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beware of phenomenas... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The phenomenal is the door into the dream......and the only > door > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Beware of the dream becoming an attachment... > > > > > > > > > > > > An attachment to what? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > These messages for instance. > Conceptual mind is not attached to " things " ....it IS attachment. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The phenomenal is the door into the dream......and the only > > > door > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beware of the dream becoming an attachment... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To beware of gettng attached is pretty neurotic ... > > > > > > > > Isn't it ? > > > > > > > > > > It's all in the mind... > > > > > > Aint it? > > > > > > > > > Only to mind is it all mind. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > I don't mind, do you? > :-) Where is this " I " thing that imagines that it doesn't mind? What is its nature? Is it outside of the mind? Can it see itself? What are you? Who are you? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please permit me to inform you that the Sai who is > > > > refered to > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > this 'ad' is not the Sai to be confused with the Sai > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > Golden > > > > > > > > > > Balls and Rolexes, but hey...what Sai? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Sai who spoke very little, and left his > > body > > > > long > > > > > > > > before the > > > > > > > > > > Rolex would become a status symbol as we know it > > today. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.saibabaofshirdi.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Sai...well everything has been throwin' at > > him > > > > that > > > > > > > > smells > > > > > > > > > > and looks dark. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sathyasai.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry...I got my Sais confused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But......I gotta tell you.....after a certain point in > > the > > > > > > > > > journey......all so called gurus are charlatans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There comes a time when they are seen for what they > > really > > > > and > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > left in the dust as one hurls through space and > > > > time......alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alone indeed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrapped in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saffron cotton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cladded > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With fear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grabbling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the abyss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inner Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes......Kinda like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the falling begins......it is accompanied by a great > > fear > > > > as > > > > > > the > > > > > > > known world slips away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As things flow past......there remains a tendency to grab > > and > > > > > > > clutch.....but now it is phantom hands that reach out to > > > > phantom > > > > > > objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After a time the phantom perspective takes the back seat > > and > > > > one is > > > > > > > free to become the flowing itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beware of phenomenas... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The phenomenal is the door into the dream......and the only > > door > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beware of the dream becoming an attachment... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An attachment to what? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > These messages for instance. > > > > > > Conceptual mind is not attached to " things " ....it IS attachment. > > > > > toombaru > Free after some sort of Zen quote; If there is no attachment from the mind to things, is there still attachment...then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The phenomenal is the door into the dream......and the only > > > > door > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beware of the dream becoming an attachment... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To beware of gettng attached is pretty neurotic ... > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's all in the mind... > > > > > > > > Aint it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only to mind is it all mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > I don't mind, do you? > > > > > :-) > > > Where is this " I " thing that imagines that it doesn't mind? > > What is its nature? > > Is it outside of the mind? > > Can it see itself? > > What are you? > > Who are you? > > > > > toombaru > It's like an imaginary little christmas tree that has been given to me at birth by ignorance. It was left to my own fantasy how I decorated that tree. And boy oh boy, did I do a good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > <yohansky@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please permit me to inform you that the Sai who > is > > > > > refered to > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > this 'ad' is not the Sai to be confused with the > Sai > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Golden > > > > > > > > > > > Balls and Rolexes, but hey...what Sai? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Sai who spoke very little, and left his > > > body > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > before the > > > > > > > > > > > Rolex would become a status symbol as we know it > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.saibabaofshirdi.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Sai...well everything has been throwin' > at > > > him > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > smells > > > > > > > > > > > and looks dark. > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sathyasai.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry...I got my Sais confused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But......I gotta tell you.....after a certain point > in > > > the > > > > > > > > > > journey......all so called gurus are charlatans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There comes a time when they are seen for what they > > > really > > > > > and > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > left in the dust as one hurls through space and > > > > > time......alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alone indeed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrapped in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saffron cotton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cladded > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With fear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grabbling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the abyss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inner Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes......Kinda like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the falling begins......it is accompanied by a > great > > > fear > > > > > as > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > known world slips away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As things flow past......there remains a tendency to > grab > > > and > > > > > > > > clutch.....but now it is phantom hands that reach out > to > > > > > phantom > > > > > > > objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After a time the phantom perspective takes the back > seat > > > and > > > > > one is > > > > > > > > free to become the flowing itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beware of phenomenas... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The phenomenal is the door into the dream......and the only > > > door > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beware of the dream becoming an attachment... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An attachment to what? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > These messages for instance. > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual mind is not attached to " things " ....it IS attachment. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Free after some sort of Zen quote; > > If there is no attachment from the mind to things, is there still > attachment...then? > In nature what is " attached " ? " Attachment " is an adjective that conceptual mind uses in an attempt to define its own perceptions. Anything that pertains to that which is imaginary......is imaginary. Conceptual mind and its imaginary entity is a closed, self-referential loop. There is nothing there to be attached. toombaru toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > <yohansky@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The phenomenal is the door into the dream......and the > only > > > > door > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beware of the dream becoming an attachment... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To beware of gettng attached is pretty neurotic ... > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's all in the mind... > > > > > > > > Aint it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok then: > > > > > > To beware of the mind is pretty neurotic... > > > > > > Aint it ? > > > > > > > In the end it is what YOU like it to be, and how you live/cope with > > that awareness. > > > > > If you like it or not, YOU are the mind. There is no separation > between YOU and the mind. YOU are it. > > And therefore there is also no seperate one who could cope/live with > it. > > Werner > If you say so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > <yohansky@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The phenomenal is the door into the dream......and the > only > > > > > door > > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beware of the dream becoming an attachment... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To beware of gettng attached is pretty neurotic ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's all in the mind... > > > > > > > > > > Aint it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only to mind is it all mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > I don't mind, do you? > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > Where is this " I " thing that imagines that it doesn't mind? > > > > What is its nature? > > > > Is it outside of the mind? > > > > Can it see itself? > > > > What are you? > > > > Who are you? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > It's like an imaginary little christmas tree that has been given to > me at birth by ignorance. It was left to my own fantasy how I > decorated that tree. And boy oh boy, did I do a good job. > There is in the above the assumption of an autonomous self at the center of the swirling mnemonic debris. It is that assumption that must erode before the catharsis implodes the known dream-world and the natural flowing can commence. toombaru toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " > > <yohansky@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The phenomenal is the door into the dream......and the > > only > > > > > door > > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beware of the dream becoming an attachment... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To beware of gettng attached is pretty neurotic ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's all in the mind... > > > > > > > > > > Aint it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok then: > > > > > > > > To beware of the mind is pretty neurotic... > > > > > > > > Aint it ? > > > > > > > > > > In the end it is what YOU like it to be, and how you live/cope > with > > > that awareness. > > > > > > > > > If you like it or not, YOU are the mind. There is no separation > > between YOU and the mind. YOU are it. > > > > And therefore there is also no separate one who could cope/live > with > > it. > > > > Werner > > > > If you say so... > There is no you outside of its the mind's concepts and memories. That's a pretty big pill to swallow. But it's time to take your medicine. :-0 toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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