Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 He who teaches others by his life, and not his speech, is truly wise. -Hyperichius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 In a message dated 4/27/2008 9:55:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: Nisargadatta , "Johan" <yohansky wrote:>> He who teaches others by his life, and not his speech, is truly wise.> > -Hyperichius>He who believes that there are others and that they need to learn something..........and that he is the one designed to teach them......... does not have a firm grasp of the situation.toombaru No, no, no, you don't understand. See, when one declares what is truly wise, what it means is that this one is even wiser than the truly wise, which is how he knows what truly wise is. You're never sposed to question the wisdom of such a one. ~ Phil (Wiser than the one who knows truly wise)Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 In a message dated 4/27/2008 11:11:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, yohansky writes: Nisargadatta , "toombaru2006" <lastrain wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "Johan" <yohansky@> wrote:> >> > He who teaches others by his life, and not his speech, is truly wise.> > > > -Hyperichius> >> > He who believes that there are others and that they need to learn something..........and that > he is the one designed to teach them......... does not have a firm grasp of the situation.> > > > toombaru>"and that he is the one designed to teach them"-Sorry didn't mean to interfere with your vocation Tammie.I'm not aspiring the play of a Master afar. Now, now. The notion of teaching by example is a good and effective one in the context of everyday life, and is a good reminder even for us high fallutin nondualists who think we're beyond all that, but surely you expected a more nondual view to be expressed as well. The best teaching example might be to embrace both perspectives and let them be what they are. Phil Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 In a message dated 4/27/2008 11:58:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dennis_travis33 writes: Nisargadatta , "toombaru2006" <lastrain wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "Johan" <yohansky@> wrote:> >> > He who teaches others by his life, and not his speech, is truly wise.> > > > -Hyperichius> >> > He who believes that there are others and that they need to learn something..........and that > he is the one designed to teach them......... does not have a firm grasp of the situation.> > > > toombarutruethere are no othersexcept in many "situations" of/within the "situation" called life(-dream)MarcPs: to teach or to don't teach "whoever".....make no change in That life-dream Sure it does. If teaching happens in the dream, then it changes to a dream in which teaching is happening. Phil Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > He who teaches others by his life, and not his speech, is truly wise. > > -Hyperichius > He who believes that there are others and that they need to learn something..........and that he is the one designed to teach them......... does not have a firm grasp of the situation. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > He who teaches others by his life, and not his speech, is truly wise. > > > > -Hyperichius > > > > He who believes that there are others and that they need to learn something..........and that > he is the one designed to teach them......... does not have a firm grasp of the situation. > > > > toombaru > " and that he is the one designed to teach them " -Sorry didn't mean to interfere with your vocation Tammie. I'm not aspiring the play of a Master afar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > He who teaches others by his life, and not his speech, is truly wise. > > > > -Hyperichius > > > > He who believes that there are others and that they need to learn something..........and that > he is the one designed to teach them......... does not have a firm grasp of the situation. > > > > toombaru > To use the favorite Mantra of this group: there is nothing to 'grasp' for, and there is no 'situation', unless you intended expressing a few humble pieces of fear of your own... of course. Anyway, for my love of quotes; There is a space between voice and presence Where information flows In disciplined silence it opens With wandering talk it closes -Rumi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > He who teaches others by his life, and not his speech, is truly wise. > > > > -Hyperichius > > > > He who believes that there are others and that they need to learn something..........and that > he is the one designed to teach them......... does not have a firm grasp of the situation. > > > > toombaru true there are no others except in many " situations " of/within the " situation " called life(- dream) Marc Ps: to teach or to don't teach " whoever " .....make no change in That life-dream > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > He who teaches others by his life, and not his speech, is truly > wise. > > > > > > -Hyperichius > > > > > > > He who believes that there are others and that they need to learn > something..........and that > > he is the one designed to teach them......... does not have a firm > grasp of the situation. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > " and that he is the one designed to teach them " > > -Sorry didn't mean to interfere with your vocation Tammie. > > I'm not aspiring the play of a Master afar. ....there is neither a " Johan " ....nor a " Tammie " ....nor any " Master " .......for real wish nice dreams..... within all there Is.... and ever has been.... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/27/2008 11:58:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > dennis_travis33 writes: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > He who teaches others by his life, and not his speech, is truly > wise. > > > > > > -Hyperichius > > > > > > > He who believes that there are others and that they need to learn > something..........and that > > he is the one designed to teach them......... does not have a firm > grasp of the situation. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > true > > there are no others > > except in many " situations " of/within the " situation " called life (- > dream) > > Marc > > > Ps: to teach or to don't teach " whoever " .....make no change in That > life-dream > > > > Sure it does. If teaching happens in the dream, then it changes to a dream > in which teaching is happening. > > Phil true but dream remain dream nothing else Marc > > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 In a message dated 4/28/2008 1:32:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dennis_travis33 writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> > In a message dated 4/27/2008 11:58:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > dennis_travis33 writes:> > Nisargadatta , "toombaru2006" <lastrain@> > wrote:> >> > Nisargadatta , "Johan" <yohansky@> wrote:> > >> > > He who teaches others by his life, and not his speech, is truly > wise.> > > > > > -Hyperichius> > >> > > > He who believes that there are others and that they need to learn > something..........and that > > he is the one designed to teach them......... does not have a firm > grasp of the situation.> > > > > > > > toombaru> > > true> > there are no others> > except in many "situations" of/within the "situation" called life(-> dream)> > Marc> > > Ps: to teach or to don't teach "whoever".....make no change in That > life-dream> > > > Sure it does. If teaching happens in the dream, then it changes to a dream > in which teaching is happening. > > Philtruebut dream remain dreamnothing elseMarc Sure, but it's the only game in town. PhilNeed a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 In a message dated 4/28/2008 8:09:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> > In a message dated 4/27/2008 11:11:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > yohansky writes:> > Nisargadatta , "toombaru2006" <lastrain@> > wrote:> >> > Nisargadatta , "Johan" <yohansky@> wrote:> > >> > > He who teaches others by his life, and not his speech, is truly > wise.> > > > > > -Hyperichius> > >> > > > He who believes that there are others and that they need to learn > something..........and that > > he is the one designed to teach them......... does not have a firm > grasp of the situation.> > > > > > > > toombaru> >> > "and that he is the one designed to teach them"> > -Sorry didn't mean to interfere with your vocation Tammie.> > I'm not aspiring the play of a Master afar.> > > > Now, now. The notion of teaching by example is a good and effective one in > the context of everyday life, and is a good reminder even for us high fallutin > nondualists who think we're beyond all that, but surely you expected a more > nondual view to be expressed as well. The best teaching example might be to > embrace both perspectives and let them be what they are.> > Phil> > Embrace anything is a tar pit......and you are stuck. In this context, embrace does not mean grasp. It means accept and let it be. Phil Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 > > The best teaching example might be to > embrace both perspectives and let them be what they are. > > Phil > > > Embrace anything in a tar pit......and you are stuck. :-0 toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 > > > > Embrace anything in a tar pit......and you are stuck. > > In this context, embrace does not mean grasp. It means accept and let it be. > > Phil > > If there is an " it " and a someone letting " it " be........that occurs within the apparent duality. Seeing that is enlightenment. Everything continues exactly as before.....but now... no one remains to claim ownership of the perceptions. Pretty neat huh? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 In a message dated 4/28/2008 12:09:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > > > > Embrace anything in a tar pit......and you are stuck.> > > > > > > > > In this context, embrace does not mean grasp. It means accept and let it be.> > Phil> > If there is an "it" and a someone letting "it" be........that occurs within the apparent duality.Seeing that is enlightenment.Everything continues exactly as before.....but now... no one remains to claim ownership of the perceptions.Pretty neat huh?toombaru Uh, huh. Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Embrace anything in a tar pit......and you are stuck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this context, embrace does not mean grasp. It means accept and let it be. > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > If there is an " it " and a someone letting " it " be........that occurs within the apparent duality. > > Seeing that is enlightenment. > > Everything continues exactly as before.....but now... no one remains to claim ownership of > the perceptions. > > > Pretty neat huh? > > > > toombaru > " Seeing that is enlightenment " -Enlightenment is for fools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Embrace anything in a tar pit......and you are stuck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this context, embrace does not mean grasp. It means accept > and let it be. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there is an " it " and a someone letting " it " be........that > occurs within the apparent duality. > > > > Seeing that is enlightenment. > > > > Everything continues exactly as before.....but now... no one > remains to claim ownership of > > the perceptions. > > > > > > Pretty neat huh? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > " Seeing that is enlightenment " > > -Enlightenment is for fools. > There is an understanding in which enlightenment becomes moot. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Embrace anything in a tar pit......and you are stuck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this context, embrace does not mean grasp. It means accept and let it be. > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > If there is an " it " and a someone letting " it " be........that occurs within the apparent duality. > > Seeing that is enlightenment. > > Everything continues exactly as before.....but now... no one remains to claim ownership of > the perceptions. > > > Pretty neat huh? > > > > toombaru > " If there is an " it " and a someone letting " it " be........that occurs within the apparent duality. " -Is that something you simply assume, or are you trying to expose one of your phantasms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Embrace anything in a tar pit......and you are stuck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this context, embrace does not mean grasp. It means accept > and let it be. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there is an " it " and a someone letting " it " be........that > occurs within the apparent duality. > > > > Seeing that is enlightenment. > > > > Everything continues exactly as before.....but now... no one > remains to claim ownership of > > the perceptions. > > > > > > Pretty neat huh? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > " If there is an " it " and a someone letting " it " be........that > occurs within the apparent duality. " > > -Is that something you simply assume, or are you trying to expose > one of your phantasms? > .......just thoughts......bouncin around this empty hall of mirrors.........that I call me....... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 In a message dated 4/29/2008 12:27:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dennis_travis33 writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> > In a message dated 4/28/2008 1:32:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > dennis_travis33 writes:> > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote:> >> > > > In a message dated 4/27/2008 11:58:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > dennis_travis33@ writes:> > > > Nisargadatta , "toombaru2006" <lastrain@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Nisargadatta , "Johan" <yohansky@> wrote:> > > >> > > > He who teaches others by his life, and not his speech, is > truly > > wise.> > > > > > > > -Hyperichius> > > >> > > > > > He who believes that there are others and that they need to > learn > > something..........and that > > > he is the one designed to teach them......... does not have a > firm > > grasp of the situation.> > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru> > > > > > true> > > > there are no others> > > > except in many "situations" of/within the "situation" called life> (-> > dream)> > > > Marc> > > > > > Ps: to teach or to don't teach "whoever".....make no change in > That > > life-dream> > > > > > > > Sure it does. If teaching happens in the dream, then it changes to > a dream > > in which teaching is happening. > > > > Phil> > > true> > but dream remain dream> > nothing else> > Marc> > > > Sure, but it's the only game in town.> Philok, gameboy PhilMarc ..........says gameboy Marc. Phil Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Embrace anything in a tar pit......and you are stuck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this context, embrace does not mean grasp. It means accept > > and let it be. > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there is an " it " and a someone letting " it " be........that > > occurs within the apparent duality. > > > > > > Seeing that is enlightenment. > > > > > > Everything continues exactly as before.....but now... no one > > remains to claim ownership of > > > the perceptions. > > > > > > > > > Pretty neat huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > " If there is an " it " and a someone letting " it " be........that > > occurs within the apparent duality. " > > > > -Is that something you simply assume, or are you trying to expose > > one of your phantasms? > > > > > > > ......just thoughts......bouncin around this empty hall of mirrors.........that I call me....... > > > > toombaru > That sounds authentic and... almost poetic; I like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 In a message dated 4/29/2008 1:55:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dennis_travis33 writes: > > > except in many "situations" of/within the "situation" called > life> > (-> > > dream)> > > > > > Marc> > > > > > > > > Ps: to teach or to don't teach "whoever".....make no change in > > That > > > life-dream> > > > > > > > > > > > Sure it does. If teaching happens in the dream, then it changes > to > > a dream > > > in which teaching is happening. > > > > > > Phil> > > > > > true> > > > but dream remain dream> > > > nothing else> > > > Marc> > > > > > > > Sure, but it's the only game in town.> > Phil> > > ok, gameboy Phil> > Marc> > > > .........says gameboy Marc. > > Philyour words get more and more reduced in quantity?....for some reason.....making some progress?:)Marc .....Also hoping to insert.....more and more........dots. Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 In a message dated 4/29/2008 2:34:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dennis_travis33 writes: > > .........says gameboy Marc. > > > > Phil> > > your words get more and more reduced in quantity?....for some > reason.....> > making some progress?> > > > Marc> > > > ....Also hoping to insert.....more and more........dots.have fun with this your mentionned "game in town"....:)maybe you will reach to teach one or two people...somewhere around...who knowslet's hope you will get finally some satisfaction in trying to teach in town....Marc You seem obsessed with teaching. Is it because you want to be a teacher? You can teach if you like, but really, there is nothing that can be taught, at least when it comes to nonduality. By "the only game in town" I mean that this experience is all there is, and unless you plan to eat a bullet, you are a part of this experience too, and so why point a smug finger at another as the foolish experiencer who doesn't know any better? Phil Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/28/2008 1:32:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > dennis_travis33 writes: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/27/2008 11:58:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > dennis_travis33@ writes: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > He who teaches others by his life, and not his speech, is > truly > > wise. > > > > > > > > -Hyperichius > > > > > > > > > > He who believes that there are others and that they need to > learn > > something..........and that > > > he is the one designed to teach them......... does not have a > firm > > grasp of the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > true > > > > there are no others > > > > except in many " situations " of/within the " situation " called life > (- > > dream) > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: to teach or to don't teach " whoever " .....make no change in > That > > life-dream > > > > > > > > Sure it does. If teaching happens in the dream, then it changes to > a dream > > in which teaching is happening. > > > > Phil > > > true > > but dream remain dream > > nothing else > > Marc > > > > Sure, but it's the only game in town. > Phil ok, gameboy Phil Marc > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/29/2008 12:27:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > dennis_travis33 writes: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/28/2008 1:32:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > dennis_travis33@ writes: > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/27/2008 11:58:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > dennis_travis33@ writes: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > He who teaches others by his life, and not his speech, is > > truly > > > wise. > > > > > > > > > > -Hyperichius > > > > > > > > > > > > > He who believes that there are others and that they need to > > learn > > > something..........and that > > > > he is the one designed to teach them......... does not have a > > firm > > > grasp of the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > there are no others > > > > > > except in many " situations " of/within the " situation " called > life > > (- > > > dream) > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: to teach or to don't teach " whoever " .....make no change in > > That > > > life-dream > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure it does. If teaching happens in the dream, then it changes > to > > a dream > > > in which teaching is happening. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > true > > > > but dream remain dream > > > > nothing else > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Sure, but it's the only game in town. > > Phil > > > ok, gameboy Phil > > Marc > > > > .........says gameboy Marc. > > Phil your words get more and more reduced in quantity?....for some reason..... making some progress? Marc > > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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