Psychological problem of psychology!

February 7, 2008

Every " body " works to defend itself...

even a psychological, mental " body " .

Every 'entity' works to defend

itself... even an 'entity' which is

only mental, which is only created

because of belief and conditioning.

People like to hold on to their

beliefs... that is a Fact!

'Conditioning' works to defend and

strengthen itself... in fact, it works

just like 'drugs'. Drugs work by making

body " ache for " it periodically.

Conditioning works by making body " ache

for " ... corresponding Hormones...

hormones, which work almost exactly

like drugs, hormones which in their

chemical composition too... are almost

exactly like drugs!

In addition to 'wanting to live',

there is also another characteristic

that all bodies, all entities share,

including the psychological Ones...

they want to be " accepted " and " loved " !

....when they aren't accepted ad loved,

they tried to resist, fight off and

'win' it...

and, they do it... by trying to make

themselves 'bigger', 'stronger', LOUDER

and More Prominent!

Thus, the 'external' logic and

reasoning when applied without FULL

unconditional Acceptance and Love...

very predictably and very frequently

fails... or, succeeds only in

'suppressing' and not really in " curing " !

You can NOT [externally] cure a

'condition' that arises only due to the

lack of acceptance and love by further

" withholding " LOVE... and, saying I

will love, accept and appreciate you

only when you " change " ...

No matter, how " logical " and 'right'

your Position looks on the Surface!!!!

Love is Law - It is Not necessarily

Logical!

Is Gravity Logical????

I don't know.

February 7, 2008

That is why Intimate Unconditional Love Almost

Always works Better to resolve mental,

psychological " problems " than the

arguments, debates or... " logical "

discussion of the " problem " !

Because,

Psychological Problem = (feeling the) Lack Of Love!

....

If you want to see how unconditional

love works compared to " logical " " discussion "

of the mental problems...

Try it with your 3 years old son...

Or, try it with your 9 years old daughter...

Or, try it with your 'adult' Spouse...

[ And, remember, adults are just the grown up " children " ,

Some of whom have learned to " hide " and to

speak and behave differently...

in their heart, most of them are still " children " ...

which is to say... just " human " ! ]

For " logic " to really work, the " love "

has to be given First!

Because, once the Love is Given...

the 'entity' which only " arise "

because of feeling the lack of Love,

Appreciation and Approval…

starts withdrawing on its own...

seeing that it is no longer needed...

seeing that its job is already done!

And, then... and, Only Then...

the " logic " works Wonderfully!

[...]

Faulting someone for seeking Love and Attention...

is like faulting a fish for seeking water!

Faulting someone for seeking Love and Attention...

is like the apple for falling to the ground!

[ Love is a Law - It is Not necessarily Logical! ]

> > You can NOT [externally] cure a

> > 'condition' that arises only due to the

> > lack of acceptance and love by further

> > " withholding " LOVE... and, saying I

> > will love, accept and appreciate you

> > only when you " change " ...

> >

> > No matter, how " logical " and 'right'

> > your Position looks on the Surface!!!!

> >

Love is a Law - It is Not necessarily Logical!

February 7, 2008

Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

>

> That is why Intimate Unconditional Love Almost

> Always works Better to resolve mental,

> psychological " problems " than the

>

> arguments, debates or... " logical "

> discussion of the " problem " !

>

> Because,

>

> Psychological Problem = (feeling the) Lack Of Love!

>

> ...

>

> If you want to see how unconditional

> love works compared to " logical " " discussion "

> of the mental problems...

>

> Try it with your 3 years old son...

>

> Or, try it with your 9 years old daughter...

>

> Or, try it with your 'adult' Spouse...

>

> [ And, remember, adults are just the grown up " children " ,

> Some of whom have learned to " hide " and to

> speak and behave differently...

>

> in their heart, most of them are still " children " ...

> which is to say... just " human " ! ]

>

> For " logic " to really work, the " love "

> has to be given First!

> Because, once the Love is Given...

> the 'entity' which only " arise "

> because of feeling the lack of Love,

> Appreciation and Approval…

>

> starts withdrawing on its own...

> seeing that it is no longer needed...

> seeing that its job is already done!

>

> And, then... and, Only Then...

> the " logic " works Wonderfully!

[...]

>

> Faulting someone for seeking Love and Attention...

> is like faulting a fish for seeking water!

>

> Faulting someone for seeking Love and Attention...

> is like the apple for falling to the ground!

>

> [ Love is a Law - It is Not necessarily Logical! ]

>

> > > You can NOT [externally] cure a

> > > 'condition' that arises only due to the

> > > lack of acceptance and love by further

> > > " withholding " LOVE... and, saying I

> > > will love, accept and appreciate you

> > > only when you " change " ...

> > >

> > > No matter, how " logical " and 'right'

> > > your Position looks on the Surface!!!!

> > >

>

> Love is a Law - It is Not necessarily Logical!

Namaste,

Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other

predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face on the

demonic characters they serve like gurus and others.

I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and their

minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around the net.

However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or one old

lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is also

LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own reputation on that

altar.

February 7, 2008

Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery

wrote:

Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming@> wrote:

>

> That is why Intimate Unconditional Love Almost

> Always works Better to resolve mental,

> psychological " problems " than the

>

> arguments, debates or... " logical "

> discussion of the " problem " !

>

> Because,

>

> Psychological Problem = (feeling the) Lack Of Love!

>

> ...

>

> If you want to see how unconditional

> love works compared to " logical " " discussion "

> of the mental problems...

>

> Try it with your 3 years old son...

>

> Or, try it with your 9 years old daughter...

>

> Or, try it with your 'adult' Spouse...

>

> [ And, remember, adults are just the grown up " children " ,

> Some of whom have learned to " hide " and to

> speak and behave differently...

>

> in their heart, most of them are still " children " ...

> which is to say... just " human " ! ]

>

> For " logic " to really work, the " love "

> has to be given First!

> Because, once the Love is Given...

> the 'entity' which only " arise "

> because of feeling the lack of Love,

> Appreciation and Approval…

>

> starts withdrawing on its own...

> seeing that it is no longer needed...

> seeing that its job is already done!

>

> And, then... and, Only Then...

> the " logic " works Wonderfully!

[...]

>

> Faulting someone for seeking Love and Attention...

> is like faulting a fish for seeking water!

>

> Faulting someone for seeking Love and Attention...

> is like the apple for falling to the ground!

>

> [ Love is a Law - It is Not necessarily Logical! ]

>

> > > You can NOT [externally] cure a

> > > 'condition' that arises only due to the

> > > lack of acceptance and love by further

> > > " withholding " LOVE... and, saying I

> > > will love, accept and appreciate you

> > > only when you " change " ...

> > >

> > > No matter, how " logical " and 'right'

> > > your Position looks on the Surface!!!!

> > >

>

> Love is a Law - It is Not necessarily Logical!

Namaste,

Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other

predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face on the

demonic characters they serve like gurus and others.

I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and their

minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around the net.

However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or one old

lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is also

LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own reputation on that

altar.

--- End forwarded message ---

February 8, 2008

That is fine, as long as you feel

loving, kind and noble while doing it.

Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive

or vindictive while doing it.

Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness

and good will.

Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred,

reactivity or revenge.

....irrespective of what others say about it.

And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not

have done.

I believe in:

....Your right and duty is in the action alone,

not in its results.

ac

> Namaste,

>

> Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other

> predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face on the

> demonic characters they serve like gurus and others.

>

> I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and their

> minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around the net.

> However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or one old

> lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is also

> LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own reputation on that

> altar.

>

February 8, 2008

Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

>

> That is fine, as long as you feel

> loving, kind and noble while doing it.

>

> Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive

> or vindictive while doing it.

>

> Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness

> and good will.

>

> Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred,

> reactivity or revenge.

>

> ...irrespective of what others say about it.

>

> And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not

> have done.

>

> I believe in:

>

> ...Your right and duty is in the action alone,

> not in its results.

>

> ac

>

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other

> > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face on

the

> > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others.

> >

> > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and their

> > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around the

net.

> > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or one

old

> > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is also

> > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own reputation on

that

> > altar.

> >

Namaste,

I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and sorrier for

their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason or another.

Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see somebody

suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are complicit.

I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all kinds of

things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile groupies and

their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the indefensible

in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't

quit...Tony

February 8, 2008

Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> >

> > That is fine, as long as you feel

> > loving, kind and noble while doing it.

> >

> > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive

> > or vindictive while doing it.

> >

> > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness

> > and good will.

> >

> > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred,

> > reactivity or revenge.

> >

> > ...irrespective of what others say about it.

> >

> > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not

> > have done.

> >

> > I believe in:

> >

> > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone,

> > not in its results.

> >

> > ac

> >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other

> > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face on

> the

> > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others.

> > >

> > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and their

> > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around the

> net.

> > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or one

> old

> > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is also

> > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own reputation on

> that

> > > altar.

> > >

>

> Namaste,

>

> I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and sorrier for

> their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason or another.

> Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see somebody

> suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are complicit.

>

> I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all kinds of

> things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile groupies and

> their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the indefensible

> in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't

> quit...

keep you sorry sorries.

they don't do you or anything else any good.

just more grist for the mill.

..b b.b.

p.s.

struggle on little soldier.

LOL!

February 8, 2008

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> > <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> > >

> > > That is fine, as long as you feel

> > > loving, kind and noble while doing it.

> > >

> > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive

> > > or vindictive while doing it.

> > >

> > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness

> > > and good will.

> > >

> > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred,

> > > reactivity or revenge.

> > >

> > > ...irrespective of what others say about it.

> > >

> > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not

> > > have done.

> > >

> > > I believe in:

> > >

> > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone,

> > > not in its results.

> > >

> > > ac

> > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other

> > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face

on

> > the

> > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others.

> > > >

> > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and

their

> > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around

the

> > net.

> > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or

one

> > old

> > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is

also

> > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own reputation

on

> > that

> > > > altar.

> > > >

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and

sorrier for

> > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason or

another.

> > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see

somebody

> > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are

complicit.

> >

> > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all kinds

of

> > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile groupies

and

> > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the

indefensible

> > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't

> > quit...>

>

> keep you sorry sorries.

>

> they don't do you or anything else any good.

>

> just more grist for the mill.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> p.s.

>

> struggle on little soldier.

>

> LOL!

>

I agree with Bob!

Rather than 'speculating' about 'others',

speculating about the gurus and followers,

it might be best to what feels kind, compassionate,

loving and forgiving action to you.

Any act motivated and fueled by anger, hate,

disgust, revenge or contempt is unspiritual

and pain producing. It carries the same

cycle of ignorance and just More of the Same –

ego based Me versus You, Me right, You Wrong!

ac

February 8, 2008

Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> > > <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > That is fine, as long as you feel

> > > > loving, kind and noble while doing it.

> > > >

> > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive

> > > > or vindictive while doing it.

> > > >

> > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness

> > > > and good will.

> > > >

> > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred,

> > > > reactivity or revenge.

> > > >

> > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it.

> > > >

> > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not

> > > > have done.

> > > >

> > > > I believe in:

> > > >

> > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone,

> > > > not in its results.

> > > >

> > > > ac

> > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other

> > > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face

> on

> > > the

> > > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and

> their

> > > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around

> the

> > > net.

> > > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or

> one

> > > old

> > > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is

> also

> > > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own

reputation

> on

> > > that

> > > > > altar.

> > > > >

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and

> sorrier for

> > > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason or

> another.

> > > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see

> somebody

> > > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are

> complicit.

> > >

> > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all

kinds

> of

> > > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile

groupies

> and

> > > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the

> indefensible

> > > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't

> > > quit...> >

> >

> > keep you sorry sorries.

> >

> > they don't do you or anything else any good.

> >

> > just more grist for the mill.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > p.s.

> >

> > struggle on little soldier.

> >

> > LOL!

> >

>

> I agree with Bob!

>

> Rather than 'speculating' about 'others',

> speculating about the gurus and followers,

> it might be best to what feels kind, compassionate,

> loving and forgiving action to you.

>

> Any act motivated and fueled by anger, hate,

> disgust, revenge or contempt is unspiritual

> and pain producing. It carries the same

> cycle of ignorance and just More of the Same –

> ego based Me versus You, Me right, You Wrong!

>

> ac

>

Namaste,

No speculation all evidence and personal experience........Love is an

illusion..Tony

February 8, 2008

Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > That is fine, as long as you feel

> > > > > loving, kind and noble while doing it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive

> > > > > or vindictive while doing it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness

> > > > > and good will.

> > > > >

> > > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred,

> > > > > reactivity or revenge.

> > > > >

> > > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it.

> > > > >

> > > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not

> > > > > have done.

> > > > >

> > > > > I believe in:

> > > > >

> > > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone,

> > > > > not in its results.

> > > > >

> > > > > ac

> > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from

other

> > > > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving

face

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus

and

> > their

> > > > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda

around

> > the

> > > > net.

> > > > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring

or

> > one

> > > > old

> > > > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me

is

> > also

> > > > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own

> reputation

> > on

> > > > that

> > > > > > altar.

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and

> > sorrier for

> > > > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason

or

> > another.

> > > > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see

> > somebody

> > > > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are

> > complicit.

> > > >

> > > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all

> kinds

> > of

> > > > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile

> groupies

> > and

> > > > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the

> > indefensible

> > > > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't

> > > > quit...> > >

> > >

> > > keep you sorry sorries.

> > >

> > > they don't do you or anything else any good.

> > >

> > > just more grist for the mill.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > p.s.

> > >

> > > struggle on little soldier.

> > >

> > > LOL!

> > >

> >

> > I agree with Bob!

> >

> > Rather than 'speculating' about 'others',

> > speculating about the gurus and followers,

> > it might be best to what feels kind, compassionate,

> > loving and forgiving action to you.

> >

> > Any act motivated and fueled by anger, hate,

> > disgust, revenge or contempt is unspiritual

> > and pain producing. It carries the same

> > cycle of ignorance and just More of the Same –

> > ego based Me versus You, Me right, You Wrong!

> >

> > ac

> >

> Namaste,

>

> No speculation all evidence and personal experience........Love is

an

> illusion..>

And,

" pedophile gurus " and " their devotees "

" accusations " are REAL???

What kind of world do you live in?

ac

February 8, 2008

Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > That is fine, as long as you feel

> > > > > loving, kind and noble while doing it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive

> > > > > or vindictive while doing it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness

> > > > > and good will.

> > > > >

> > > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred,

> > > > > reactivity or revenge.

> > > > >

> > > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it.

> > > > >

> > > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not

> > > > > have done.

> > > > >

> > > > > I believe in:

> > > > >

> > > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone,

> > > > > not in its results.

> > > > >

> > > > > ac

> > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other

> > > > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and

> > their

> > > > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around

> > the

> > > > net.

> > > > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or

> > one

> > > > old

> > > > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is

> > also

> > > > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own

> reputation

> > on

> > > > that

> > > > > > altar.

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and

> > sorrier for

> > > > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason or

> > another.

> > > > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see

> > somebody

> > > > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are

> > complicit.

> > > >

> > > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all

> kinds

> > of

> > > > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile

> groupies

> > and

> > > > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the

> > indefensible

> > > > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't

> > > > quit...> > >

> > >

> > > keep you sorry sorries.

> > >

> > > they don't do you or anything else any good.

> > >

> > > just more grist for the mill.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > p.s.

> > >

> > > struggle on little soldier.

> > >

> > > LOL!

> > >

> >

> > I agree with Bob!

> >

> > Rather than 'speculating' about 'others',

> > speculating about the gurus and followers,

> > it might be best to what feels kind, compassionate,

> > loving and forgiving action to you.

> >

> > Any act motivated and fueled by anger, hate,

> > disgust, revenge or contempt is unspiritual

> > and pain producing. It carries the same

> > cycle of ignorance and just More of the Same –

> > ego based Me versus You, Me right, You Wrong!

> >

> > ac

> >

> Namaste,

>

> No speculation all evidence and personal experience........Love is an

> illusion..

if there's no such thing as love..

there's no such thing as hate.

what fucking world do you live in sport?

i guess all the bullshit fighting going on around the globe..

is just in your imagination.

speculate about that if and when you get the guts..

to join the fictitious army..

pick up a speculated gun...

watch a few of your fucking friends get blown away.

try that for evidence and personal experience..

you'll love that game.

oops..

no such thing as love.

you're nuts pal.

or your producing one hell of an illusion of a nutzoid for all to see.

..b b.b.

February 8, 2008

Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> > <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That is fine, as long as you feel

> > > > > > loving, kind and noble while doing it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive

> > > > > > or vindictive while doing it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness

> > > > > > and good will.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred,

> > > > > > reactivity or revenge.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not

> > > > > > have done.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I believe in:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone,

> > > > > > not in its results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ac

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from

other

> > > > > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving

face

> > > on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus

and

> > > their

> > > > > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda

around

> > > the

> > > > > net.

> > > > > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile

ring or

> > > one

> > > > > old

> > > > > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me

is

> > > also

> > > > > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own

> > reputation

> > > on

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > altar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and

> > > sorrier for

> > > > > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason

or

> > > another.

> > > > > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you

see

> > > somebody

> > > > > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are

> > > complicit.

> > > > >

> > > > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all

> > kinds

> > > of

> > > > > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile

> > groupies

> > > and

> > > > > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the

> > > indefensible

> > > > > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who

doesn't

> > > > > quit...> > > >

> > > >

> > > > keep you sorry sorries.

> > > >

> > > > they don't do you or anything else any good.

> > > >

> > > > just more grist for the mill.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > > > p.s.

> > > >

> > > > struggle on little soldier.

> > > >

> > > > LOL!

> > > >

> > >

> > > I agree with Bob!

> > >

> > > Rather than 'speculating' about 'others',

> > > speculating about the gurus and followers,

> > > it might be best to what feels kind, compassionate,

> > > loving and forgiving action to you.

> > >

> > > Any act motivated and fueled by anger, hate,

> > > disgust, revenge or contempt is unspiritual

> > > and pain producing. It carries the same

> > > cycle of ignorance and just More of the Same –

> > > ego based Me versus You, Me right, You Wrong!

> > >

> > > ac

> > >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > No speculation all evidence and personal experience........Love

is an

> > illusion..>

>

> if there's no such thing as love..

>

> there's no such thing as hate.

>

> what fucking world do you live in sport?

>

> i guess all the bullshit fighting going on around the globe..

>

> is just in your imagination.

>

> speculate about that if and when you get the guts..

>

> to join the fictitious army..

>

> pick up a speculated gun...

>

> watch a few of your fucking friends get blown away.

>

> try that for evidence and personal experience..

>

> you'll love that game.

>

> oops..

>

> no such thing as love.

>

> you're nuts pal.

>

> or your producing one hell of an illusion of a nutzoid for all to

see.

>

> .b b.b.

>

> .b b.b.

>

Namaste,

There are different types of Love only the ultimate is true the

normal understanding is just emotion, and sentiment and is

binding..Tony

February 8, 2008

Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> > > <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> > > > > > <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That is fine, as long as you feel

> > > > > > > loving, kind and noble while doing it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive

> > > > > > > or vindictive while doing it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness

> > > > > > > and good will.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred,

> > > > > > > reactivity or revenge.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ...irrespective of what others say about it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not

> > > > > > > have done.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I believe in:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone,

> > > > > > > not in its results.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ac

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from

> other

> > > > > > > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving

> face

> > > > on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus

> and

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda

> around

> > > > the

> > > > > > net.

> > > > > > > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile

> ring or

> > > > one

> > > > > > old

> > > > > > > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me

> is

> > > > also

> > > > > > > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own

> > > reputation

> > > > on

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > altar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and

> > > > sorrier for

> > > > > > their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason

> or

> > > > another.

> > > > > > Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you

> see

> > > > somebody

> > > > > > suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are

> > > > complicit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all

> > > kinds

> > > > of

> > > > > > things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile

> > > groupies

> > > > and

> > > > > > their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the

> > > > indefensible

> > > > > > in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who

> doesn't

> > > > > > quit...> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > keep you sorry sorries.

> > > > >

> > > > > they don't do you or anything else any good.

> > > > >

> > > > > just more grist for the mill.

> > > > >

> > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > >

> > > > > p.s.

> > > > >

> > > > > struggle on little soldier.

> > > > >

> > > > > LOL!

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I agree with Bob!

> > > >

> > > > Rather than 'speculating' about 'others',

> > > > speculating about the gurus and followers,

> > > > it might be best to what feels kind, compassionate,

> > > > loving and forgiving action to you.

> > > >

> > > > Any act motivated and fueled by anger, hate,

> > > > disgust, revenge or contempt is unspiritual

> > > > and pain producing. It carries the same

> > > > cycle of ignorance and just More of the Same –

> > > > ego based Me versus You, Me right, You Wrong!

> > > >

> > > > ac

> > > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > No speculation all evidence and personal experience........Love

> is an

> > > illusion..> >

> >

> > if there's no such thing as love..

> >

> > there's no such thing as hate.

> >

> > what fucking world do you live in sport?

> >

> > i guess all the bullshit fighting going on around the globe..

> >

> > is just in your imagination.

> >

> > speculate about that if and when you get the guts..

> >

> > to join the fictitious army..

> >

> > pick up a speculated gun...

> >

> > watch a few of your fucking friends get blown away.

> >

> > try that for evidence and personal experience..

> >

> > you'll love that game.

> >

> > oops..

> >

> > no such thing as love.

> >

> > you're nuts pal.

> >

> > or your producing one hell of an illusion of a nutzoid for all to

> see.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> Namaste,

>

> There are different types of Love only the ultimate is true the

> normal understanding is just emotion, and sentiment and is

> binding..

if only the 'ultimate' is 'true'...

what the hell do you mean by:

" There are different types of Love " ?

that ipso facto then is a false statement.

you're the one who's being sentimental.

nothing is bound on earth nor 'heaven'.

there are no 'different' entities to ever have come unbound.

but 'you' seem to be bound by your faulty concepts...

how emotional tony

LOL!

..b b.b..

February 8, 2008

Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> <adithya_comming@> wrote:

> >

> > That is fine, as long as you feel

> > loving, kind and noble while doing it.

> >

> > Not fine, if you feel angry, reactive

> > or vindictive while doing it.

> >

> > Fine, if you do it out of love, kindness

> > and good will.

> >

> > Not fine, if you do it out of anger, hatred,

> > reactivity or revenge.

> >

> > ...irrespective of what others say about it.

> >

> > And, irrespective what " doing so " may or may not

> > have done.

> >

> > I believe in:

> >

> > ...Your right and duty is in the action alone,

> > not in its results.

> >

> > ac

> >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > Love and Ahimsa can also mean defending children from other

> > > predators, and their minions who try and put a loving face on

> the

> > > demonic characters they serve like gurus and others.

> > >

> > > I am often taken to task for attacking pedophile gurus and

their

> > > minions who set up websites or spread his propaganda around the

> net.

> > > However if one child is saved from a guru pedophile ring or one

> old

> > > lady doesn't have her savings stolen---then that to me is also

> > > LOVE...Tony. even if it means sacrifing one's own reputation on

> that

> > > altar.

> > >

>

> Namaste,

>

> I actually feel essentially sorry for pedophile gurus and sorrier

for

> their devotees who refuse to face the facts for one reason or

another.

> Ahimsa is resistance to harm not non-violence. So if you see

somebody

> suffering some kind of harm and you do nothing then you are

complicit.

>

> I get accused of hate and invective, anger, hatred and all kinds of

> things, but these are just reactions from the pedophile groupies

and

> their friends to discredit me as they cannot defende the

indefensible

> in their gurus. In fact I am just a good soldier who doesn't

> quit...

Namaste,

Also most human and animal love is attachment, sentiment and emotion.

True Love is static blissful energy which doesn't move at all. That

is whay it is blissful, only the mind moves. Ultimately this Love is

also unreal for it is of Saguana and therefore illusion that never

happened.

However not mixing apples and oranges; Lets give some validity to

Saguna for arguments sake within illusion.

Rama destroyed many true devotees fighting for Ravana and even in the

end Ravana himself. Ram used real weapons and even nuclear weapons

which are indiscriminate, one could argue all kind of things against

Ram. However Ram wasn't attached to the seemingly evil actions he

took against Ravana's followers, for he was a aware he was within

illusion all the time, and playing a role a karmic role.

Weapons are weapons and words are weapons if there is a battle then

one uses the weapons at hand with no attachment, even if it sounds

like all kind of emotion on the surface. I would quite willingly

neurtralise followers of an evil guru or pedophile guru for example.

For what the 'evil' the guru does is to divert people from their own

path for his own selfish reasons, and that is what 'evil' is. As

Ravana did and Rama neutralised him and his devotees with what

weapons he had at hand.......So words like hate, love, anger are

mostly emotional translations and perceptions and belong to the world

of illusion........Tony.

February 8, 2008

Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery

wrote:

Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@>