Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 You mean that we should isolate them, send them to Nirvana and have them return when they are ready to share the truth? But where can they learn the truth if not here? If people decide to move out, that's bad, I don't know. babalula Nisargadatta , "zen_mirror" <zen_mirror wrote: Since she's a teacher for teachers and not a teacher for students, they should maybe be on a list for teachers, not for students. Nisargadatta , "lulu.dong" <lulu.dong wrote: I am the real mirror.I looked in the mirror of seventy thousand beings until I realized that I am all of them. I am the real mirror. There is no one like me, I am Jesus and Death, Buddha and Nisargadatta. One year later, I looked in the same mirror and had to realize, that the knowledge of seventy thousand beings was ignored by the thousands.The mirror truth is that I am everyone, I am the mirror and I am everyone. Hey, I looked in the mirror and saw thousands of faces, so I turned the mirror round and round until I became all these faces. Now I am all these faces, I am the young and ignorant and the wise and happy, I am those who ignore the truth and those who believe it. What did you say, turn around what you say to others, and pretend they said it to you? They said to me that I am all the faces in the mirror, or did they say that they are all the faces in the mirror. What's the difference? The difference is that you are all of them, but they are none of you. So how do you think and feel about the fact that others are leaving the group because of your non spiritual conversations? I honestly think that's a pitty. Now what? You don't think pitty for your other selves? That's a shame but how can I change it? Let's awaken the babalus, let's look in the mirror and see babalu. Think about it, Mark has evolved, you have evolved, evolution is a natural process, why can't it happen to babalu? So we should tolerate her behaviour? At least she's attracting those who want her to evolve, maybe she's going to develop a deeper sense for truth than all of us, but if we kick her out what could she possibly learn from that? That we are ignorant. Than let's be ignorant and let's ignore her posts, until she evolves, into a real teacher. I mean a teacher for the students, not a teacher for the teachers. Lulu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Ok, so there is more truth, for babaluga especially. The truth that all truth is a lie, is a lie. Someone told you a lie, and you believe in it. The truth is this. I like your presence here, it is the reason why I am here. it's complex. For one thing I like that you bring live into the list, on the other hand I'd prefer you'd speak from my perspective, the perspective that you are everyone. If you are everyone, why do you not even care if they turn their back on you? I don't understand that, except in some weird no lesson sort of way. However, this is my method in treating your desease, several identities talking about you, is this the type of affection that you are looking for? LOL Nisargadatta , "Black Eyes" <loggin.again wrote: You mean that we should isolate them, send them to Nirvana and have them return when they are ready to share the truth? But where can they learn the truth if not here? If people decide to move out, that's bad, I don't know. babalula Nisargadatta , "zen_mirror" <zen_mirror wrote: Since she's a teacher for teachers and not a teacher for students, they should maybe be on a list for teachers, not for students. Nisargadatta , "lulu.dong" <lulu.dong wrote: I am the real mirror.I looked in the mirror of seventy thousand beings until I realized that I am all of them. I am the real mirror. There is no one like me, I am Jesus and Death, Buddha and Nisargadatta. One year later, I looked in the same mirror and had to realize, that the knowledge of seventy thousand beings was ignored by the thousands.The mirror truth is that I am everyone, I am the mirror and I am everyone. Hey, I looked in the mirror and saw thousands of faces, so I turned the mirror round and round until I became all these faces. Now I am all these faces, I am the young and ignorant and the wise and happy, I am those who ignore the truth and those who believe it. What did you say, turn around what you say to others, and pretend they said it to you? They said to me that I am all the faces in the mirror, or did they say that they are all the faces in the mirror. What's the difference? The difference is that you are all of them, but they are none of you. So how do you think and feel about the fact that others are leaving the group because of your non spiritual conversations? I honestly think that's a pitty. Now what? You don't think pitty for your other selves? That's a shame but how can I change it? Let's awaken the babalus, let's look in the mirror and see babalu. Think about it, Mark has evolved, you have evolved, evolution is a natural process, why can't it happen to babalu? So we should tolerate her behaviour? At least she's attracting those who want her to evolve, maybe she's going to develop a deeper sense for truth than all of us, but if we kick her out what could she possibly learn from that? That we are ignorant. Than let's be ignorant and let's ignore her posts, until she evolves, into a real teacher. I mean a teacher for the students, not a teacher for the teachers. Lulu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong wrote: > > > > > Ok, so there is more truth, for babaluga especially. > > > > The truth that all truth is a lie, is a lie. > > Someone told you a lie, and you believe in it. that's a lie. > The truth is this. > > I like your presence here, > > it is the reason why I am here. > > it's complex. no..it's simple. the baba is irresistible lulu. > For one thing I like that you bring live into the list, on the other > hand I'd prefer you'd speak from my perspective, the perspective that > you are everyone. i'm no one. everyone who thinks they're someone is deluded. and the only one they delude is themself. and 'themself' doesn't exist. so it means nothing. and nobody cares what a somebody cares for or not. me..i'm nobody and this nobody doesn't care what anybody..even a somebody..thinks about them. who's to 'care? > If you are everyone, why do you not even care if they turn their back on > you? I don't understand that, except in some weird no lesson sort of > way. uh..don't know why. don't believe there is an answer to 'why' why's the grass green? chlorophyll. why is chlorophyll green? chemical reaction and wavelength of resultant light reflection. why do the chems. react that way and why does that reflection appear green? who does it appear green to? i don't know. what IS green. why ask? because. because why? that shit is endless..circular..and leads nowhere. and nobody lives in nowhere and just turns his back at nonsense. > However, this is my method in treating your desease, several identities > talking about you, is this the type of affection that you are looking > for? LOL i'm not looking 'for' anything ms. lulu. what the hell are you looking for? LOL! ..b b.b. ********************************nnb*********************************** > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes " <loggin.again@> > wrote: > > > You mean that we should isolate them, send them to Nirvana and have them > return when they are ready to share the truth? But where can they learn > the truth if not here? If people decide to move out, that's bad, I don't > know. > > babalula > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > wrote: > > > Since she's a teacher for teachers and not a teacher for students, they > should maybe be on a list for teachers, not for students. > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > > > I am the real mirror. > > I looked in the mirror of seventy thousand beings until I realized that > I am all of them. > > I am the real mirror. > > There is no one like me, I am Jesus and Death, Buddha and Nisargadatta. > > > > One year later, I looked in the same mirror and had to realize, that the > knowledge of seventy thousand beings was ignored by the thousands. > > > The mirror truth is that I am everyone, I am the mirror and I am > everyone. > > > > > Hey, I looked in the mirror and saw thousands of faces, so I turned the > mirror round and round until I became all these faces. > > Now I am all these faces, I am the young and ignorant and the wise and > happy, I am those who ignore the truth and those who believe it. > > > > What did you say, turn around what you say to others, and pretend they > said it to you? > > They said to me that I am all the faces in the mirror, or did they say > that they are all the faces in the mirror. What's the difference? > > The difference is that you are all of them, but they are none of you. > > > > So how do you think and feel about the fact that others are leaving the > group because of your non spiritual conversations? > > I honestly think that's a pitty. Now what? You don't think pitty for > your other selves? That's a shame but how can I change it? Let's awaken > the babalus, let's look in the mirror and see babalu. > > Think about it, Mark has evolved, you have evolved, evolution is a > natural process, why can't it happen to babalu? > > > > So we should tolerate her behaviour? > > At least she's attracting those who want her to evolve, maybe she's > going to develop a deeper sense for truth than all of us, but if we kick > her out what could she possibly learn from that? That we are ignorant. > > Than let's be ignorant and let's ignore her posts, until she evolves, > into a real teacher. I mean a teacher for the students, not a teacher > for the teachers. > > > > Lulu > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 You, Bob, are looking for your Soul. Like the headless Horseman in " Sleepy Hollow. " Similarly, You hate those who Who have souls While you stridently Exhibit: " THERE IS NO SOUL, THE WORLD HAS NO SOUL, " But secretly, You're grieving. Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ok, so there is more truth, for babaluga especially. > > > > > > > > > The truth that all truth is a lie, is a lie. > > > > Someone told you a lie, and you believe in it. that's a lie. > > The truth is this. > > > > I like your presence here, > > > > it is the reason why I am here. > > > > it's complex. > > > > > > no..it's simple. > > the baba is irresistible lulu. > > > > > > For one thing I like that you bring live into the list, on the other > > hand I'd prefer you'd speak from my perspective, the perspective that > > you are everyone. i'm no one. > > everyone who thinks they're someone is deluded. > > and the only one they delude is themself. > > and 'themself' doesn't exist. > > so it means nothing. > > and nobody cares what a somebody cares for or not. > > me..i'm nobody > > and this nobody doesn't care what anybody..even a somebody..thinks > about them. > > who's to 'care? > > > > > > If you are everyone, why do you not even care if they turn their back on > > you? I don't understand that, except in some weird no lesson sort of > > way. > > > > > uh..don't know why. > > don't believe there is an answer to 'why' > > why's the grass green? > > chlorophyll. > > why is chlorophyll green? > > chemical reaction and wavelength of resultant light reflection. > > why do the chems. react that way and why does that reflection appear > > green? > > who does it appear green to? > > i don't know. > > what IS green. > > why ask? > > because. > > because why? > > that shit is endless..circular..and leads nowhere. > > and nobody lives in nowhere and just turns his back at nonsense. > > > However, this is my method in treating your desease, several identities > > talking about you, is this the type of affection that you are looking > > for? LOL > > > > > > i'm not looking 'for' anything ms. lulu. > > what the hell are you looking for? > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > > > > ********************************nnb*********************************** > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes " <loggin.again@> > > wrote: > > > > > > You mean that we should isolate them, send them to Nirvana and have them > > return when they are ready to share the truth? But where can they learn > > the truth if not here? If people decide to move out, that's bad, I don't > > know. > > > > babalula > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Since she's a teacher for teachers and not a teacher for students, they > > should maybe be on a list for teachers, not for students. > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the real mirror. > > > > I looked in the mirror of seventy thousand beings until I realized that > > I am all of them. > > > > I am the real mirror. > > > > There is no one like me, I am Jesus and Death, Buddha and Nisargadatta. > > > > > > > > One year later, I looked in the same mirror and had to realize, that the > > knowledge of seventy thousand beings was ignored by the thousands. > > > > > > The mirror truth is that I am everyone, I am the mirror and I am > > everyone. > > > > > > > > > > Hey, I looked in the mirror and saw thousands of faces, so I turned the > > mirror round and round until I became all these faces. > > > > Now I am all these faces, I am the young and ignorant and the wise and > > happy, I am those who ignore the truth and those who believe it. > > > > > > > > What did you say, turn around what you say to others, and pretend they > > said it to you? > > > > They said to me that I am all the faces in the mirror, or did they say > > that they are all the faces in the mirror. What's the difference? > > > > The difference is that you are all of them, but they are none of you. > > > > > > > > So how do you think and feel about the fact that others are leaving the > > group because of your non spiritual conversations? > > > > I honestly think that's a pitty. Now what? You don't think pitty for > > your other selves? That's a shame but how can I change it? Let's awaken > > the babalus, let's look in the mirror and see babalu. > > > > Think about it, Mark has evolved, you have evolved, evolution is a > > natural process, why can't it happen to babalu? > > > > > > > > So we should tolerate her behaviour? > > > > At least she's attracting those who want her to evolve, maybe she's > > going to develop a deeper sense for truth than all of us, but if we kick > > her out what could she possibly learn from that? That we are ignorant. > > > > Than let's be ignorant and let's ignore her posts, until she evolves, > > into a real teacher. I mean a teacher for the students, not a teacher > > for the teachers. > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes " <loggin.again wrote: > > > > > You mean that we should isolate them, send them to Nirvana and have them > return when they are ready to share the truth? But where can they learn > the truth if not here? If people decide to move out, that's bad, I don't > know. > > babalula :-) kill the bastards! if they can't handle the truth...screw 'em ..b b.b. ................................nnb.................................... Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > wrote: > > > Since she's a teacher for teachers and not a teacher for students, they > should maybe be on a list for teachers, not for students. > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > > > I am the real mirror. > > I looked in the mirror of seventy thousand beings until I realized that > I am all of them. > > I am the real mirror. > > There is no one like me, I am Jesus and Death, Buddha and Nisargadatta. > > > > One year later, I looked in the same mirror and had to realize, that the > knowledge of seventy thousand beings was ignored by the thousands. > > > The mirror truth is that I am everyone, I am the mirror and I am > everyone. > > > > > Hey, I looked in the mirror and saw thousands of faces, so I turned the > mirror round and round until I became all these faces. > > Now I am all these faces, I am the young and ignorant and the wise and > happy, I am those who ignore the truth and those who believe it. > > > > What did you say, turn around what you say to others, and pretend they > said it to you? > > They said to me that I am all the faces in the mirror, or did they say > that they are all the faces in the mirror. What's the difference? > > The difference is that you are all of them, but they are none of you. > > > > So how do you think and feel about the fact that others are leaving the > group because of your non spiritual conversations? > > I honestly think that's a pitty. Now what? You don't think pitty for > your other selves? That's a shame but how can I change it? Let's awaken > the babalus, let's look in the mirror and see babalu. > > Think about it, Mark has evolved, you have evolved, evolution is a > natural process, why can't it happen to babalu? > > > > So we should tolerate her behaviour? > > At least she's attracting those who want her to evolve, maybe she's > going to develop a deeper sense for truth than all of us, but if we kick > her out what could she possibly learn from that? That we are ignorant. > > Than let's be ignorant and let's ignore her posts, until she evolves, > into a real teacher. I mean a teacher for the students, not a teacher > for the teachers. > > > > Lulu > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes " <loggin.again@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You mean that we should isolate them, send them to Nirvana and have them > > return when they are ready to share the truth? But where can they learn > > the truth if not here? If people decide to move out, that's bad, I don't > > know. > > > > babalula > > > :-) > > kill the bastards! > > if they can't handle the truth...screw 'em > > .b b.b. > (This from someone Who's been screwed So much that he no longer Gives a damn.) > > > > ...............................nnb.................................... > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Since she's a teacher for teachers and not a teacher for students, they > > should maybe be on a list for teachers, not for students. > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the real mirror. > > > > I looked in the mirror of seventy thousand beings until I realized that > > I am all of them. > > > > I am the real mirror. > > > > There is no one like me, I am Jesus and Death, Buddha and Nisargadatta. > > > > > > > > One year later, I looked in the same mirror and had to realize, that the > > knowledge of seventy thousand beings was ignored by the thousands. > > > > > > The mirror truth is that I am everyone, I am the mirror and I am > > everyone. > > > > > > > > > > Hey, I looked in the mirror and saw thousands of faces, so I turned the > > mirror round and round until I became all these faces. > > > > Now I am all these faces, I am the young and ignorant and the wise and > > happy, I am those who ignore the truth and those who believe it. > > > > > > > > What did you say, turn around what you say to others, and pretend they > > said it to you? > > > > They said to me that I am all the faces in the mirror, or did they say > > that they are all the faces in the mirror. What's the difference? > > > > The difference is that you are all of them, but they are none of you. > > > > > > > > So how do you think and feel about the fact that others are leaving the > > group because of your non spiritual conversations? > > > > I honestly think that's a pitty. Now what? You don't think pitty for > > your other selves? That's a shame but how can I change it? Let's awaken > > the babalus, let's look in the mirror and see babalu. > > > > Think about it, Mark has evolved, you have evolved, evolution is a > > natural process, why can't it happen to babalu? > > > > > > > > So we should tolerate her behaviour? > > > > At least she's attracting those who want her to evolve, maybe she's > > going to develop a deeper sense for truth than all of us, but if we kick > > her out what could she possibly learn from that? That we are ignorant. > > > > Than let's be ignorant and let's ignore her posts, until she evolves, > > into a real teacher. I mean a teacher for the students, not a teacher > > for the teachers. > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > > > > > You, Bob, are looking for your > > Soul. > > > > Like the headless > > Horseman in " Sleepy Hollow. " > > > Similarly, > > You hate those who > > Who have souls > > > While you stridently > > Exhibit: > > > " THERE IS NO SOUL, > > THE WORLD HAS NO SOUL, " > > > > But secretly, > > You're grieving. yeah sure thing svengali. are you nuts? was it your inane talk...your smothering need...your stalking behaviour...your boring bullshit...your panhandling predilections..or some other of your best features that sent that charli away? take a hint dude. this crap is why you are down and out and alone. it's funny enough without having to expose it to everyone here. but we all are enjoying the fun and melodramatic swish of it all. were you the drama queen of your high school? did you graduate? no..forget it..i think i know the answer. it's pretty easy to tell from your writing. lots of love and secret grieving roberto. it is..after all is said and done...your own 'personal' crying game. LOL! ..b b.b. ******************************nnb************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, so there is more truth, for babaluga especially. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The truth that all truth is a lie, is a lie. > > > > > > Someone told you a lie, and you believe in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's a lie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The truth is this. > > > > > > I like your presence here, > > > > > > it is the reason why I am here. > > > > > > it's complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > no..it's simple. > > > > the baba is irresistible lulu. > > > > > > > > > > > For one thing I like that you bring live into the list, on the other > > > hand I'd prefer you'd speak from my perspective, the perspective that > > > you are everyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm no one. > > > > everyone who thinks they're someone is deluded. > > > > and the only one they delude is themself. > > > > and 'themself' doesn't exist. > > > > so it means nothing. > > > > and nobody cares what a somebody cares for or not. > > > > me..i'm nobody > > > > and this nobody doesn't care what anybody..even a somebody..thinks > > about them. > > > > who's to 'care? > > > > > > > > > > > If you are everyone, why do you not even care if they turn their > back on > > > you? I don't understand that, except in some weird no lesson sort of > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > uh..don't know why. > > > > don't believe there is an answer to 'why' > > > > why's the grass green? > > > > chlorophyll. > > > > why is chlorophyll green? > > > > chemical reaction and wavelength of resultant light reflection. > > > > why do the chems. react that way and why does that reflection appear > > > > green? > > > > who does it appear green to? > > > > i don't know. > > > > what IS green. > > > > why ask? > > > > because. > > > > because why? > > > > that shit is endless..circular..and leads nowhere. > > > > and nobody lives in nowhere and just turns his back at nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, this is my method in treating your desease, several > identities > > > talking about you, is this the type of affection that you are looking > > > for? LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm not looking 'for' anything ms. lulu. > > > > what the hell are you looking for? > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > ********************************nnb*********************************** > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes " <loggin.again@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > You mean that we should isolate them, send them to Nirvana and > have them > > > return when they are ready to share the truth? But where can they > learn > > > the truth if not here? If people decide to move out, that's bad, I > don't > > > know. > > > > > > babalula > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Since she's a teacher for teachers and not a teacher for students, > they > > > should maybe be on a list for teachers, not for students. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the real mirror. > > > > > > I looked in the mirror of seventy thousand beings until I realized > that > > > I am all of them. > > > > > > I am the real mirror. > > > > > > There is no one like me, I am Jesus and Death, Buddha and > Nisargadatta. > > > > > > > > > > > > One year later, I looked in the same mirror and had to realize, > that the > > > knowledge of seventy thousand beings was ignored by the thousands. > > > > > > > > > The mirror truth is that I am everyone, I am the mirror and I am > > > everyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, I looked in the mirror and saw thousands of faces, so I > turned the > > > mirror round and round until I became all these faces. > > > > > > Now I am all these faces, I am the young and ignorant and the wise and > > > happy, I am those who ignore the truth and those who believe it. > > > > > > > > > > > > What did you say, turn around what you say to others, and pretend they > > > said it to you? > > > > > > They said to me that I am all the faces in the mirror, or did they say > > > that they are all the faces in the mirror. What's the difference? > > > > > > The difference is that you are all of them, but they are none of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > So how do you think and feel about the fact that others are > leaving the > > > group because of your non spiritual conversations? > > > > > > I honestly think that's a pitty. Now what? You don't think pitty for > > > your other selves? That's a shame but how can I change it? Let's > awaken > > > the babalus, let's look in the mirror and see babalu. > > > > > > Think about it, Mark has evolved, you have evolved, evolution is a > > > natural process, why can't it happen to babalu? > > > > > > > > > > > > So we should tolerate her behaviour? > > > > > > At least she's attracting those who want her to evolve, maybe she's > > > going to develop a deeper sense for truth than all of us, but if > we kick > > > her out what could she possibly learn from that? That we are ignorant. > > > > > > Than let's be ignorant and let's ignore her posts, until she evolves, > > > into a real teacher. I mean a teacher for the students, not a teacher > > > for the teachers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes " <loggin.again@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean that we should isolate them, send them to Nirvana and > have them > > > return when they are ready to share the truth? But where can they > learn > > > the truth if not here? If people decide to move out, that's bad, I > don't > > > know. > > > > > > babalula > > > > > > :-) > > > > kill the bastards! > > > > if they can't handle the truth...screw 'em > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > (This from someone > > Who's been screwed > > So much that he no longer > > Gives a damn.) LOL you're just jealous of all those girls that have screwed me (amorously)...and the ones who haven't screwed me by not returning a gift for a gift. tell me roberto: when you are invited to dinner..do you always make excuses for not contributing even a bottle of wine? when you receive gifts do you just forget to respond by doing the same in some token manner even? do you just take take take.. and expect that a 'gee thanks' is all that is required because you are owed everything that comes your way free of any social and courteous exchange. you are a socially inept and boorishly dull guy. and frankly your thoughts and how you see things are with other people are so out of touch...i realy wonder if you ever get out of that cramped little apartment. in some strange way i feel sorry for you and i do pity you...but your smarmy attitude and lack of social skills turn me off completely. so long dipstick. ..b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...............................nnb.................................... > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Since she's a teacher for teachers and not a teacher for students, > they > > > should maybe be on a list for teachers, not for students. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the real mirror. > > > > > > I looked in the mirror of seventy thousand beings until I realized > that > > > I am all of them. > > > > > > I am the real mirror. > > > > > > There is no one like me, I am Jesus and Death, Buddha and > Nisargadatta. > > > > > > > > > > > > One year later, I looked in the same mirror and had to realize, > that the > > > knowledge of seventy thousand beings was ignored by the thousands. > > > > > > > > > The mirror truth is that I am everyone, I am the mirror and I am > > > everyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, I looked in the mirror and saw thousands of faces, so I > turned the > > > mirror round and round until I became all these faces. > > > > > > Now I am all these faces, I am the young and ignorant and the wise and > > > happy, I am those who ignore the truth and those who believe it. > > > > > > > > > > > > What did you say, turn around what you say to others, and pretend they > > > said it to you? > > > > > > They said to me that I am all the faces in the mirror, or did they say > > > that they are all the faces in the mirror. What's the difference? > > > > > > The difference is that you are all of them, but they are none of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > So how do you think and feel about the fact that others are > leaving the > > > group because of your non spiritual conversations? > > > > > > I honestly think that's a pitty. Now what? You don't think pitty for > > > your other selves? That's a shame but how can I change it? Let's > awaken > > > the babalus, let's look in the mirror and see babalu. > > > > > > Think about it, Mark has evolved, you have evolved, evolution is a > > > natural process, why can't it happen to babalu? > > > > > > > > > > > > So we should tolerate her behaviour? > > > > > > At least she's attracting those who want her to evolve, maybe she's > > > going to develop a deeper sense for truth than all of us, but if > we kick > > > her out what could she possibly learn from that? That we are ignorant. > > > > > > Than let's be ignorant and let's ignore her posts, until she evolves, > > > into a real teacher. I mean a teacher for the students, not a teacher > > > for the teachers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 The trouble is, Bob, That when you don't Have a soul: You don't have A clue. -- In Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You, Bob, are looking for your > > > > Soul. > > > > > > > > Like the headless > > > > Horseman in " Sleepy Hollow. " > > > > > > Similarly, > > > > You hate those who > > > > Who have souls > > > > > > While you stridently > > > > Exhibit: > > > > > > " THERE IS NO SOUL, > > > > THE WORLD HAS NO SOUL, " > > > > > > > > But secretly, > > > > You're grieving. > > > > > yeah sure thing svengali. > > are you nuts? > > was it your inane talk...your smothering need...your stalking > behaviour...your boring bullshit...your panhandling predilections..or > some other of your best features that sent that charli away? > > take a hint dude. > > this crap is why you are down and out and alone. > > it's funny enough without having to expose it to everyone here. > > but we all are enjoying the fun and melodramatic swish of it all. > > were you the drama queen of your high school? > > did you graduate? > > no..forget it..i think i know the answer. > > it's pretty easy to tell from your writing. > > lots of love and secret grieving roberto. > > it is..after all is said and done...your own 'personal' crying game. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > > ******************************nnb************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, so there is more truth, for babaluga especially. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The truth that all truth is a lie, is a lie. > > > > > > > > Someone told you a lie, and you believe in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's a lie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The truth is this. > > > > > > > > I like your presence here, > > > > > > > > it is the reason why I am here. > > > > > > > > it's complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no..it's simple. > > > > > > the baba is irresistible lulu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For one thing I like that you bring live into the list, on the other > > > > hand I'd prefer you'd speak from my perspective, the perspective > that > > > > you are everyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm no one. > > > > > > everyone who thinks they're someone is deluded. > > > > > > and the only one they delude is themself. > > > > > > and 'themself' doesn't exist. > > > > > > so it means nothing. > > > > > > and nobody cares what a somebody cares for or not. > > > > > > me..i'm nobody > > > > > > and this nobody doesn't care what anybody..even a somebody..thinks > > > about them. > > > > > > who's to 'care? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are everyone, why do you not even care if they turn their > > back on > > > > you? I don't understand that, except in some weird no lesson sort of > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uh..don't know why. > > > > > > don't believe there is an answer to 'why' > > > > > > why's the grass green? > > > > > > chlorophyll. > > > > > > why is chlorophyll green? > > > > > > chemical reaction and wavelength of resultant light reflection. > > > > > > why do the chems. react that way and why does that reflection appear > > > > > > green? > > > > > > who does it appear green to? > > > > > > i don't know. > > > > > > what IS green. > > > > > > why ask? > > > > > > because. > > > > > > because why? > > > > > > that shit is endless..circular..and leads nowhere. > > > > > > and nobody lives in nowhere and just turns his back at nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, this is my method in treating your desease, several > > identities > > > > talking about you, is this the type of affection that you are > looking > > > > for? LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm not looking 'for' anything ms. lulu. > > > > > > what the hell are you looking for? > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************nnb*********************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes " <loggin.again@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean that we should isolate them, send them to Nirvana and > > have them > > > > return when they are ready to share the truth? But where can they > > learn > > > > the truth if not here? If people decide to move out, that's bad, I > > don't > > > > know. > > > > > > > > babalula > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Since she's a teacher for teachers and not a teacher for students, > > they > > > > should maybe be on a list for teachers, not for students. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the real mirror. > > > > > > > > I looked in the mirror of seventy thousand beings until I realized > > that > > > > I am all of them. > > > > > > > > I am the real mirror. > > > > > > > > There is no one like me, I am Jesus and Death, Buddha and > > Nisargadatta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One year later, I looked in the same mirror and had to realize, > > that the > > > > knowledge of seventy thousand beings was ignored by the thousands. > > > > > > > > > > > > The mirror truth is that I am everyone, I am the mirror and I am > > > > everyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, I looked in the mirror and saw thousands of faces, so I > > turned the > > > > mirror round and round until I became all these faces. > > > > > > > > Now I am all these faces, I am the young and ignorant and the > wise and > > > > happy, I am those who ignore the truth and those who believe it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What did you say, turn around what you say to others, and > pretend they > > > > said it to you? > > > > > > > > They said to me that I am all the faces in the mirror, or did > they say > > > > that they are all the faces in the mirror. What's the difference? > > > > > > > > The difference is that you are all of them, but they are none of > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So how do you think and feel about the fact that others are > > leaving the > > > > group because of your non spiritual conversations? > > > > > > > > I honestly think that's a pitty. Now what? You don't think pitty for > > > > your other selves? That's a shame but how can I change it? Let's > > awaken > > > > the babalus, let's look in the mirror and see babalu. > > > > > > > > Think about it, Mark has evolved, you have evolved, evolution is a > > > > natural process, why can't it happen to babalu? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So we should tolerate her behaviour? > > > > > > > > At least she's attracting those who want her to evolve, maybe she's > > > > going to develop a deeper sense for truth than all of us, but if > > we kick > > > > her out what could she possibly learn from that? That we are > ignorant. > > > > > > > > Than let's be ignorant and let's ignore her posts, until she > evolves, > > > > into a real teacher. I mean a teacher for the students, not a > teacher > > > > for the teachers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > > > > The trouble is, Bob, > > That when you don't > > Have a soul: > > > You don't have > > A clue. great...OK...that's the ticket then. so stop talking with me.... or rather to me. that should please both of us for our own reasons. and all will be good..for you..for me..for the group. what do you say group? can we have an agreement from everyone on this simple idea. ..b b.b. > -- In Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You, Bob, are looking for your > > > > > > Soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > Like the headless > > > > > > Horseman in " Sleepy Hollow. " > > > > > > > > > Similarly, > > > > > > You hate those who > > > > > > Who have souls > > > > > > > > > While you stridently > > > > > > Exhibit: > > > > > > > > > " THERE IS NO SOUL, > > > > > > THE WORLD HAS NO SOUL, " > > > > > > > > > > > > But secretly, > > > > > > You're grieving. > > > > > > > > > > yeah sure thing svengali. > > > > are you nuts? > > > > was it your inane talk...your smothering need...your stalking > > behaviour...your boring bullshit...your panhandling predilections..or > > some other of your best features that sent that charli away? > > > > take a hint dude. > > > > this crap is why you are down and out and alone. > > > > it's funny enough without having to expose it to everyone here. > > > > but we all are enjoying the fun and melodramatic swish of it all. > > > > were you the drama queen of your high school? > > > > did you graduate? > > > > no..forget it..i think i know the answer. > > > > it's pretty easy to tell from your writing. > > > > lots of love and secret grieving roberto. > > > > it is..after all is said and done...your own 'personal' crying game. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > ******************************nnb************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, so there is more truth, for babaluga especially. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The truth that all truth is a lie, is a lie. > > > > > > > > > > Someone told you a lie, and you believe in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's a lie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The truth is this. > > > > > > > > > > I like your presence here, > > > > > > > > > > it is the reason why I am here. > > > > > > > > > > it's complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no..it's simple. > > > > > > > > the baba is irresistible lulu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For one thing I like that you bring live into the list, on the > other > > > > > hand I'd prefer you'd speak from my perspective, the perspective > > that > > > > > you are everyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm no one. > > > > > > > > everyone who thinks they're someone is deluded. > > > > > > > > and the only one they delude is themself. > > > > > > > > and 'themself' doesn't exist. > > > > > > > > so it means nothing. > > > > > > > > and nobody cares what a somebody cares for or not. > > > > > > > > me..i'm nobody > > > > > > > > and this nobody doesn't care what anybody..even a somebody..thinks > > > > about them. > > > > > > > > who's to 'care? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are everyone, why do you not even care if they turn their > > > back on > > > > > you? I don't understand that, except in some weird no lesson > sort of > > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uh..don't know why. > > > > > > > > don't believe there is an answer to 'why' > > > > > > > > why's the grass green? > > > > > > > > chlorophyll. > > > > > > > > why is chlorophyll green? > > > > > > > > chemical reaction and wavelength of resultant light reflection. > > > > > > > > why do the chems. react that way and why does that reflection > appear > > > > > > > > green? > > > > > > > > who does it appear green to? > > > > > > > > i don't know. > > > > > > > > what IS green. > > > > > > > > why ask? > > > > > > > > because. > > > > > > > > because why? > > > > > > > > that shit is endless..circular..and leads nowhere. > > > > > > > > and nobody lives in nowhere and just turns his back at nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, this is my method in treating your desease, several > > > identities > > > > > talking about you, is this the type of affection that you are > > looking > > > > > for? LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm not looking 'for' anything ms. lulu. > > > > > > > > what the hell are you looking for? > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************nnb*********************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes " <loggin.again@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean that we should isolate them, send them to Nirvana and > > > have them > > > > > return when they are ready to share the truth? But where can they > > > learn > > > > > the truth if not here? If people decide to move out, that's bad, I > > > don't > > > > > know. > > > > > > > > > > babalula > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since she's a teacher for teachers and not a teacher for students, > > > they > > > > > should maybe be on a list for teachers, not for students. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the real mirror. > > > > > > > > > > I looked in the mirror of seventy thousand beings until I realized > > > that > > > > > I am all of them. > > > > > > > > > > I am the real mirror. > > > > > > > > > > There is no one like me, I am Jesus and Death, Buddha and > > > Nisargadatta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One year later, I looked in the same mirror and had to realize, > > > that the > > > > > knowledge of seventy thousand beings was ignored by the thousands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mirror truth is that I am everyone, I am the mirror and I am > > > > > everyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, I looked in the mirror and saw thousands of faces, so I > > > turned the > > > > > mirror round and round until I became all these faces. > > > > > > > > > > Now I am all these faces, I am the young and ignorant and the > > wise and > > > > > happy, I am those who ignore the truth and those who believe it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What did you say, turn around what you say to others, and > > pretend they > > > > > said it to you? > > > > > > > > > > They said to me that I am all the faces in the mirror, or did > > they say > > > > > that they are all the faces in the mirror. What's the difference? > > > > > > > > > > The difference is that you are all of them, but they are none of > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So how do you think and feel about the fact that others are > > > leaving the > > > > > group because of your non spiritual conversations? > > > > > > > > > > I honestly think that's a pitty. Now what? You don't think > pitty for > > > > > your other selves? That's a shame but how can I change it? Let's > > > awaken > > > > > the babalus, let's look in the mirror and see babalu. > > > > > > > > > > Think about it, Mark has evolved, you have evolved, > evolution is a > > > > > natural process, why can't it happen to babalu? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So we should tolerate her behaviour? > > > > > > > > > > At least she's attracting those who want her to evolve, maybe > she's > > > > > going to develop a deeper sense for truth than all of us, but if > > > we kick > > > > > her out what could she possibly learn from that? That we are > > ignorant. > > > > > > > > > > Than let's be ignorant and let's ignore her posts, until she > > evolves, > > > > > into a real teacher. I mean a teacher for the students, not a > > teacher > > > > > for the teachers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Good idea babalu, what about yourself, are you going to stop talking to the group too? Babalu: why do you always have to have the last word? Lulu: Because the last word is the final truth, it's like the first impression. Than it's the truth, every lie is a lie. Than it's the truth, all lies are true. Lulu: Thanks for not looking into the mirror, thanks for not turning and twisting my words and directing them toward me. Babalu! So your truth is that every truth is a lie. My truth is that every lie is a truth. What I'm looking for, a place where I can compare the results to my inquiry to who I am. So you came to the conclusion that you are a lier. That's why you are here at Nisargadatta's right, the seeker is he who is in search of himself, give up all questions except for one, who am I. Your answer: I am a lier. My answer: You are telling the truth. How can you be a lier if you are telling the truth? The lier is real, the illusion is truth? Mirror-Truth? Is there a difference between illusion and truth? Between the lie and the truth? Between life and death? Between the devil and god? Between samsara and nirvana? Looking from the real, truth is a lie. Looking from the unreal, the lie is the truth. You decide that truth is lie, because you are looking from the perspective of reality, truth and life. I decide that the lie is truth, because I am looking from the perspective of illusion, lie and death. For the existent the truth is a lie. For the nonexistent the lie is the truth. You exist and I don't. That's the difference. You must lie, before truth. You must mirror, before reality. You must die, before life. You must be the lie, to understand the truth. You must be the mirror, to understand reality. You must be dead, to understand life. I am reality. I turned around what I said to reality over and over again, so many times until I became reality. And now I am reality, of course I was a lie all the time, but now I am reality and I know it. I know that I am reality, and this knowing is good. It is a fine knowing, like the knowing that your heart is beating, with the little difference, that reality doesn't stop beating. Reality continues to beat, continues for all times to come, and the knowing that I am this reality which beats for all time, gives me confidence. Confidence that after eternal times of reality beats, reality will become conscious again. Again, again and again. Spread like a cancer and eventually hold the entire truth. If I would look at every word written in here, as if it was the absolute truth, and took it all personally, I'd identify not only with the writer but also with the reader, so what do you want? That I show you my personal truth? My personal lessons, I don't remember them, I don't remember the path that lead me to my present state of consciousness, all I remember is that it had something to do with a mirror, black like the sun's pupil. It had something to do with the truth of others, and the realization that liberation, heaven and all that is in the mind. I don't remember when this realization came to me, all I remember is that I turned the mirror door so many times that I eventually became the mirror. Lulu Nisargadatta , "Black Eyes" <loggin.again wrote: BHUAHAHAHAHAha!Babaluga!Watch it father,No one is ever to old for the truth, stop ignoring the lesson.I have no time for this.> > Did ever anyone tell you to look at the words you tell> > others, as if some older you told them to you?Oh hello older you, you mean you are so old that you are dead? I am the real mirror.I looked in the mirror of seventy thousand beings until I realized that I am all of them. I am the real mirror. There is no one like me, I am Jesus and Death, Buddha and Nisargadatta. One year later, I looked in the same mirror and had to realize, that the knowledge of seventy thousand beings was ignored by the thousands.The mirror truth is that I am everyone, I am the mirror and I am everyone. Hey, I looked in the mirror and saw thousands of faces, so I turned the mirror round and round until I became all these faces. Now I am all these faces, I am the young and ignorant and the old and wise, I am those who ignore the truth and those who believe it. What did you say, turn around what you say to others, and pretend they said it to you? They said to me that I am all the faces in the mirror, or did they say that they are all the faces in the mirror. What's the difference? The difference is that you are all of them, but they are none of you. Nisargadatta , ".b bobji baba" <Roberibus111 wrote:> > > > great...OK...that's the ticket then.> > so stop talking with me.... or rather to me.> > that should please both of us for our own reasons.> > and all will be good..for you..for me..for the group.> > what do you say group?> > can we have an agreement from everyone on this simple idea.> > > .b b.b.> >> Nisargadatta , "skywhilds" skywords@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > The trouble is, Bob,> > > > That when you don't> > > > Have a soul:> > > > > > You don't have> > > > A clue.> > -- In Nisargadatta , ".b bobji baba" <Roberibus111@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Nisargadatta , "skywhilds" <skywords@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You, Bob, are looking for your> > > > > > > > Soul.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like the headless> > > > > > > > Horseman in "Sleepy Hollow."> > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly,> > > > > > > > You hate those who> > > > > > > > Who have souls> > > > > > > > > > > > While you stridently> > > > > > > > Exhibit:> > > > > > > > > > > > "THERE IS NO SOUL,> > > > > > > > THE WORLD HAS NO SOUL,"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But secretly,> > > > > > > > You're grieving.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah sure thing svengali.> > > > > > are you nuts?> > > > > > was it your inane talk...your smothering need...your stalking> > > behaviour...your boring bullshit...your panhandling predilections..or> > > some other of your best features that sent that charli away? > > > > > > take a hint dude.> > > > > > this crap is why you are down and out and alone.> > > > > > it's funny enough without having to expose it to everyone here.> > > > > > but we all are enjoying the fun and melodramatic swish of it all.> > > > > > were you the drama queen of your high school?> > > > > > did you graduate?> > > > > > no..forget it..i think i know the answer.> > > > > > it's pretty easy to tell from your writing.> > > > > > lots of love and secret grieving roberto.> > > > > > it is..after all is said and done...your own 'personal' crying game.> > > > > > LOL!> > > > > > .b b.b.> > > > > >> ******************************nnb**************************************> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ".b bobji baba"> > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Nisargadatta , "lulu.dong" <lulu.dong@>> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, so there is more truth, for babaluga especially.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The truth that all truth is a lie, is a lie.> > > > > > > > > > > > Someone told you a lie, and you believe in it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's a lie.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The truth is this.> > > > > > > > > > > > I like your presence here,> > > > > > > > > > > > it is the reason why I am here.> > > > > > > > > > > > it's complex.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no..it's simple.> > > > > > > > > > the baba is irresistible lulu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For one thing I like that you bring live into the list, on the> > other> > > > > > hand I'd prefer you'd speak from my perspective, the perspective> > > that> > > > > > you are everyone.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm no one.> > > > > > > > > > everyone who thinks they're someone is deluded.> > > > > > > > > > and the only one they delude is themself.> > > > > > > > > > and 'themself' doesn't exist.> > > > > > > > > > so it means nothing.> > > > > > > > > > and nobody cares what a somebody cares for or not.> > > > > > > > > > me..i'm nobody> > > > > > > > > > and this nobody doesn't care what anybody..even a somebody..thinks> > > > > about them.> > > > > > > > > > who's to 'care?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are everyone, why do you not even care if they turn their> > > > back on> > > > > > you? I don't understand that, except in some weird no lesson> > sort of> > > > > > way.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uh..don't know why.> > > > > > > > > > don't believe there is an answer to 'why'> > > > > > > > > > why's the grass green?> > > > > > > > > > chlorophyll.> > > > > > > > > > why is chlorophyll green?> > > > > > > > > > chemical reaction and wavelength of resultant light reflection.> > > > > > > > > > why do the chems. react that way and why does that reflection> > appear > > > > > > > > > > green?> > > > > > > > > > who does it appear green to?> > > > > > > > > > i don't know.> > > > > > > > > > what IS green.> > > > > > > > > > why ask?> > > > > > > > > > because.> > > > > > > > > > because why?> > > > > > > > > > that shit is endless..circular..and leads nowhere.> > > > > > > > > > and nobody lives in nowhere and just turns his back at nonsense.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, this is my method in treating your desease, several> > > > identities> > > > > > talking about you, is this the type of affection that you are> > > looking> > > > > > for? LOL> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm not looking 'for' anything ms. lulu.> > > > > > > > > > what the hell are you looking for?> > > > > > > > > > LOL!> > > > > > > > > > .b b.b.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > ********************************nnb***********************************> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , "Black Eyes"> <loggin.again@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean that we should isolate them, send them to Nirvana and> > > > have them> > > > > > return when they are ready to share the truth? But where can> they> > > > learn> > > > > > the truth if not here? If people decide to move out, that's> bad, I> > > > don't> > > > > > know.> > > > > > > > > > > > babalula> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , "zen_mirror" <zen_mirror@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since she's a teacher for teachers and not a teacher for> students,> > > > they> > > > > > should maybe be on a list for teachers, not for students.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , "lulu.dong" <lulu.dong@>> > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the real mirror.> > > > > > > > > > > > I looked in the mirror of seventy thousand beings until I> realized> > > > that> > > > > > I am all of them.> > > > > > > > > > > > I am the real mirror.> > > > > > > > > > > > There is no one like me, I am Jesus and Death, Buddha and> > > > Nisargadatta.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One year later, I looked in the same mirror and had to realize,> > > > that the> > > > > > knowledge of seventy thousand beings was ignored by the> thousands.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mirror truth is that I am everyone, I am the mirror and I am> > > > > > everyone.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, I looked in the mirror and saw thousands of faces, so I> > > > turned the> > > > > > mirror round and round until I became all these faces.> > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am all these faces, I am the young and ignorant and the> > > wise and> > > > > > happy, I am those who ignore the truth and those who believe it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What did you say, turn around what you say to others, and> > > pretend they> > > > > > said it to you?> > > > > > > > > > > > They said to me that I am all the faces in the mirror, or did> > > they say> > > > > > that they are all the faces in the mirror. What's the> difference?> > > > > > > > > > > > The difference is that you are all of them, but they are none of> > > you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So how do you think and feel about the fact that others are> > > > leaving the> > > > > > group because of your non spiritual conversations?> > > > > > > > > > > > I honestly think that's a pitty. Now what? You don't think> > pitty for> > > > > > your other selves? That's a shame but how can I change it? Let's> > > > awaken> > > > > > the babalus, let's look in the mirror and see babalu.> > > > > > > > > > > > Think about it, Mark has evolved, you have evolved,> > evolution is a> > > > > > natural process, why can't it happen to babalu?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So we should tolerate her behaviour?> > > > > > > > > > > > At least she's attracting those who want her to evolve, maybe> > she's> > > > > > going to develop a deeper sense for truth than all of us, but if> > > > we kick> > > > > > her out what could she possibly learn from that? That we are> > > ignorant.> > > > > > > > > > > > Than let's be ignorant and let's ignore her posts, until she> > > evolves,> > > > > > into a real teacher. I mean a teacher for the students, not a> > > teacher> > > > > > for the teachers.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I second that, stop talking to baba and baba, stop talking to the group. Or change your attidude. Replace lie with truth, life with death, turn your whole world inside out, and all will be fine, for all. And skywords, you have enough advice to mirror for a log time, all the advice you gave to baba, get it going. god Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > great...OK...that's the ticket then. > > so stop talking with me.... or rather to me. > > that should please both of us for our own reasons. > > and all will be good..for you..for me..for the group. > > what do you say group? > > can we have an agreement from everyone on this simple idea. > > > .b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I second that, read the message in the black box, it's all for you babalu. The seeker is he who is in search of himself. Lulu wrote: You must be a lie to understand the truth. Good idea babalu, what about yourself, are you going to stop talking to the group too? Babalu: why do you always have to have the last word? Lulu: Because the last word is the final truth, it's like the first impression. Than it's the truth, every lie is a lie. Than it's the truth, all lies are true. Lulu: Thanks for not looking into the mirror, thanks for not turning and twisting my words and directing them toward me. Babalu! So your truth is that every truth is a lie. My truth is that every lie is a truth. What I'm looking for, a place where I can compare the results to my inquiry to who I am. So you came to the conclusion that you are a lier. That's why you are here at Nisargadatta's right, the seeker is he who is in search of himself, give up all questions except for one, who am I. Your answer: I am a lier. My answer: You are telling the truth. How can you be a lier if you are telling the truth? The lier is real, the illusion is truth? Mirror-Truth? Is there a difference between illusion and truth? Between the lie and the truth? Between life and death? Between the devil and god? Between samsara and nirvana? Looking from the real, truth is a lie. Looking from the unreal, the lie is the truth. You decide that truth is lie, because you are looking from the perspective of reality, truth and life. I decide that the lie is truth, because I am looking from the perspective of illusion, lie and death. For the existent the truth is a lie. For the nonexistent the lie is the truth. You exist and I don't. That's the difference. You must lie, before truth. You must mirror, before reality. You must die, before life. You must be the lie, to understand the truth. You must be the mirror, to understand reality. You must be dead, to understand life. I am reality. I turned around what I said to reality over and over again, so many times until I became reality. And now I am reality, of course I was a lie all the time, but now I am reality and I know it. I know that I am reality, and this knowing is good. It is a fine knowing, like the knowing that your heart is beating, with the little difference, that reality doesn't stop beating. Reality continues to beat, continues for all times to come, and the knowing that I am this reality which beats for all time, gives me confidence. Confidence that after eternal times of reality beats, reality will become conscious again. Again, again and again. Spread like a cancer and eventually hold the entire truth. If I would look at every word written in here, as if it was the absolute truth, and took it all personally, I'd identify not only with the writer but also with the reader, so what do you want? That I show you my personal truth? My personal lessons, I don't remember them, I don't remember the path that lead me to my present state of consciousness, all I remember is that it had something to do with a mirror, black like the sun's pupil. It had something to do with the truth of others, and the realization that liberation, heaven and all that is in the mind. I don't remember when this realization came to me, all I remember is that I turned the mirror door so many times that I eventually became the mirror. Lulu Nisargadatta , "Black Eyes" <loggin.again wrote: BHUAHAHAHAHAha!Babaluga!Watch it father,No one is ever to old for the truth, stop ignoring the lesson.I have no time for this.> > Did ever anyone tell you to look at the words you tell> > others, as if some older you told them to you?Oh hello older you, you mean you are so old that you are dead? I am the real mirror.I looked in the mirror of seventy thousand beings until I realized that I am all of them. I am the real mirror. There is no one like me, I am Jesus and Death, Buddha and Nisargadatta. One year later, I looked in the same mirror and had to realize, that the knowledge of seventy thousand beings was ignored by the thousands.The mirror truth is that I am everyone, I am the mirror and I am everyone. Hey, I looked in the mirror and saw thousands of faces, so I turned the mirror round and round until I became all these faces. Now I am all these faces, I am the young and ignorant and the old and wise, I am those who ignore the truth and those who believe it. What did you say, turn around what you say to others, and pretend they said it to you? They said to me that I am all the faces in the mirror, or did they say that they are all the faces in the mirror. What's the difference? The difference is that you are all of them, but they are none of you. Nisargadatta , ".b bobji baba" <Roberibus111 wrote:> > > > great...OK...that's the ticket then.> > so stop talking with me.... or rather to me.> > that should please both of us for our own reasons.> > and all will be good..for you..for me..for the group.> > what do you say group?> > can we have an agreement from everyone on this simple idea.> > > .b b.b.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I second that, read the message in the black box, it's all for you babalu. The seeker is he who is in search of himself. Lulu wrote: You must be a lie to understand the truth. Good idea babalu, what about yourself, are you going to stop talking to the group too? Babalu: why do you always have to have the last word? Lulu: Because the last word is the final truth, it's like the first impression. Than it's the truth, every lie is a lie. Than it's the truth, all lies are true. Lulu: Thanks for not looking into the mirror, thanks for not turning and twisting my words and directing them toward me. Babalu! So your truth is that every truth is a lie. My truth is that every lie is a truth. What I'm looking for, a place where I can compare the results to my inquiry to who I am. So you came to the conclusion that you are a lier. That's why you are here at Nisargadatta's right, the seeker is he who is in search of himself, give up all questions except for one, who am I. Your answer: I am a lier. My answer: You are telling the truth. How can you be a lier if you are telling the truth? The lier is real, the illusion is truth? Mirror-Truth? Is there a difference between illusion and truth? Between the lie and the truth? Between life and death? Between the devil and god? Between samsara and nirvana? Looking from the real, truth is a lie. Looking from the unreal, the lie is the truth. You decide that truth is lie, because you are looking from the perspective of reality, truth and life. I decide that the lie is truth, because I am looking from the perspective of illusion, lie and death. For the existent the truth is a lie. For the nonexistent the lie is the truth. You exist and I don't. That's the difference. You must lie, before truth. You must mirror, before reality. You must die, before life. You must be the lie, to understand the truth. You must be the mirror, to understand reality. You must be dead, to understand life. I am reality. I turned around what I said to reality over and over again, so many times until I became reality. And now I am reality, of course I was a lie all the time, but now I am reality and I know it. I know that I am reality, and this knowing is good. It is a fine knowing, like the knowing that your heart is beating, with the little difference, that reality doesn't stop beating. Reality continues to beat, continues for all times to come, and the knowing that I am this reality which beats for all time, gives me confidence. Confidence that after eternal times of reality beats, reality will become conscious again. Again, again and again. Spread like a cancer and eventually hold the entire truth. If I would look at every word written in here, as if it was the absolute truth, and took it all personally, I'd identify not only with the writer but also with the reader, so what do you want? That I show you my personal truth? My personal lessons, I don't remember them, I don't remember the path that lead me to my present state of consciousness, all I remember is that it had something to do with a mirror, black like the sun's pupil. It had something to do with the truth of others, and the realization that liberation, heaven and all that is in the mind. I don't remember when this realization came to me, all I remember is that I turned the mirror door so many times that I eventually became the mirror. Lulu Nisargadatta , "Black Eyes" <loggin.again wrote: BHUAHAHAHAHAha!Babaluga!Watch it father,No one is ever to old for the truth, stop ignoring the lesson.I have no time for this.> > Did ever anyone tell you to look at the words you tell> > others, as if some older you told them to you?Oh hello older you, you mean you are so old that you are dead? I am the real mirror.I looked in the mirror of seventy thousand beings until I realized that I am all of them. I am the real mirror. There is no one like me, I am Jesus and Death, Buddha and Nisargadatta. One year later, I looked in the same mirror and had to realize, that the knowledge of seventy thousand beings was ignored by the thousands.The mirror truth is that I am everyone, I am the mirror and I am everyone. Hey, I looked in the mirror and saw thousands of faces, so I turned the mirror round and round until I became all these faces. Now I am all these faces, I am the young and ignorant and the old and wise, I am those who ignore the truth and those who believe it. What did you say, turn around what you say to others, and pretend they said it to you? They said to me that I am all the faces in the mirror, or did they say that they are all the faces in the mirror. What's the difference? The difference is that you are all of them, but they are none of you. Nisargadatta , ".b bobji baba" <Roberibus111 wrote:> > > > great...OK...that's the ticket then.> > so stop talking with me.... or rather to me.> > that should please both of us for our own reasons.> > and all will be good..for you..for me..for the group.> > what do you say group?> > can we have an agreement from everyone on this simple idea.> > > .b b.b.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong wrote: > > > Good idea babalu, > > what about yourself, are you going to stop talking to the group too? no. i enjoy talking to the group. do you wish for me to not talk to the group. i haven't been able lately..actually for some time..to talk to the group without being ambushed with every attempt no matter with whom or no matter what i say. not by the group..but by he whom i don't wish to talk to or know or understand or listen to. that seems fair to me. and really lulu, i don't care who has the last word. i've given it to that dude in this case (and before too). that doesn't seem to help much. i guess i don't understand loneliness enough to tolerate that well. so what? that stuff of last word is childish to the extreme. " got ya last! " c'mon for christ's sake! ..b b.b. > > Babalu: why do you always have to have the last word? > > Lulu: Because the last word is the final truth, it's like the first > impression. > > > > > > Than it's the truth, every lie is a lie. > > Than it's the truth, all lies are true. > > > > > > Lulu: Thanks for not looking into the mirror, thanks for not turning and > twisting my words and directing them toward me. > > > > Babalu! > > So your truth is that every truth is a lie. > > My truth is that every lie is a truth. > > > > What I'm looking for, a place where I can compare the results to my > inquiry to who I am. > > > > So you came to the conclusion that you are a lier. That's why you > are here at Nisargadatta's right, the seeker is he who is in search > of himself, give up all questions except for one, who am I. Your answer: > I am a lier. My answer: You are telling the truth. > > > > How can you be a lier if you are telling the truth? > > > > The lier is real, the illusion is truth? > > > > Mirror-Truth? > > > > Is there a difference between illusion and truth? > > > > Between the lie and the truth? > > > > Between life and death? > > > > Between the devil and god? > > Between samsara and nirvana? > > > > Looking from the real, truth is a lie. > > Looking from the unreal, the lie is the truth. > > > > You decide that truth is lie, because you are looking from the > perspective of reality, truth and life. > > > > I decide that the lie is truth, because I am looking from the > perspective of illusion, lie and death. > > > > > > For the existent the truth is a lie. > > > > For the nonexistent the lie is the truth. > > > > You exist and I don't. That's the difference. > You must lie, before truth. > > > > You must mirror, before reality. > > > > You must die, before life. > You must be the lie, to understand the truth. > > You must be the mirror, to understand reality. > > You must be dead, to understand life. > > > > > > > > > I am reality. > > > > I turned around what I said to reality over and over again, so many > times until I became reality. > > > > And now I am reality, of course I was a lie all the time, but now I am > reality and I know it. > > > > I know that I am reality, and this knowing is good. It is a fine > knowing, like the knowing that your heart is beating, with the little > difference, that reality doesn't stop beating. > > > > Reality continues to beat, continues for all times to come, and the > knowing that I am this reality which beats for all time, gives me > confidence. Confidence that after eternal times of reality beats, > reality will become conscious again. Again, again and again. Spread like > a cancer and eventually hold the entire truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I would look at every word written in here, as if it was the absolute > truth, and took it all personally, I'd identify not only with the > writer but also with the reader, so what do you want? That I show you my > personal truth? My personal lessons, I don't remember them, I > don't remember the path that lead me to my present state of > consciousness, all I remember is that it had something to do with a > mirror, black like the sun's pupil. > > > > It had something to do with the truth of others, and the realization > that liberation, heaven and all that is in the mind. I don't > remember when this realization came to me, all I remember is that I > turned the mirror door so many times that I eventually became the > mirror. > > > > Lulu > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes " <loggin.again@> > wrote: > > > > BHUAHAHAHAHAha! > Babaluga! > > Watch it father, > > No one is ever to old for the truth, stop ignoring the lesson. > > I have no time for this. > > > > > Did ever anyone tell you to look at the words you tell > > > others, as if some older you told them to you? > > > Oh hello older you, you mean you are so old that you are dead? > I am the real mirror. > > I looked in the mirror of seventy thousand beings until I realized that > I am all of them. > > I am the real mirror. > > There is no one like me, I am Jesus and Death, Buddha and Nisargadatta. > > > > One year later, I looked in the same mirror and had to realize, that the > knowledge of seventy thousand beings was ignored by the thousands. > > > The mirror truth is that I am everyone, I am the mirror and I am > everyone. > > > > > Hey, I looked in the mirror and saw thousands of faces, so I turned the > mirror round and round until I became all these faces. > > Now I am all these faces, I am the young and ignorant and the old and > wise, I am those who ignore the truth and those who believe it. > > > > What did you say, turn around what you say to others, and pretend they > said it to you? > > They said to me that I am all the faces in the mirror, or did they say > that they are all the faces in the mirror. What's the difference? > > The difference is that you are all of them, but they are none of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > great...OK...that's the ticket then. > > > > so stop talking with me.... or rather to me. > > > > that should please both of us for our own reasons. > > > > and all will be good..for you..for me..for the group. > > > > what do you say group? > > > > can we have an agreement from everyone on this simple idea. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " skywords@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The trouble is, Bob, > > > > > > That when you don't > > > > > > Have a soul: > > > > > > > > > You don't have > > > > > > A clue. > > > -- In Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You, Bob, are looking for your > > > > > > > > > > Soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like the headless > > > > > > > > > > Horseman in " Sleepy Hollow. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, > > > > > > > > > > You hate those who > > > > > > > > > > Who have souls > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While you stridently > > > > > > > > > > Exhibit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " THERE IS NO SOUL, > > > > > > > > > > THE WORLD HAS NO SOUL, " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But secretly, > > > > > > > > > > You're grieving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah sure thing svengali. > > > > > > > > are you nuts? > > > > > > > > was it your inane talk...your smothering need...your stalking > > > > behaviour...your boring bullshit...your panhandling > predilections..or > > > > some other of your best features that sent that charli away? > > > > > > > > take a hint dude. > > > > > > > > this crap is why you are down and out and alone. > > > > > > > > it's funny enough without having to expose it to everyone here. > > > > > > > > but we all are enjoying the fun and melodramatic swish of it all. > > > > > > > > were you the drama queen of your high school? > > > > > > > > did you graduate? > > > > > > > > no..forget it..i think i know the answer. > > > > > > > > it's pretty easy to tell from your writing. > > > > > > > > lots of love and secret grieving roberto. > > > > > > > > it is..after all is said and done...your own 'personal' crying > game. > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************nnb************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, so there is more truth, for babaluga especially. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The truth that all truth is a lie, is a lie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone told you a lie, and you believe in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's a lie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The truth is this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like your presence here, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is the reason why I am here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's complex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no..it's simple. > > > > > > > > > > > > the baba is irresistible lulu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For one thing I like that you bring live into the list, on > the > > > other > > > > > > > hand I'd prefer you'd speak from my perspective, the > perspective > > > > that > > > > > > > you are everyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm no one. > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone who thinks they're someone is deluded. > > > > > > > > > > > > and the only one they delude is themself. > > > > > > > > > > > > and 'themself' doesn't exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > so it means nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > and nobody cares what a somebody cares for or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > me..i'm nobody > > > > > > > > > > > > and this nobody doesn't care what anybody..even a > somebody..thinks > > > > > > about them. > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to 'care? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are everyone, why do you not even care if they turn > their > > > > > back on > > > > > > > you? I don't understand that, except in some weird no lesson > > > sort of > > > > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uh..don't know why. > > > > > > > > > > > > don't believe there is an answer to 'why' > > > > > > > > > > > > why's the grass green? > > > > > > > > > > > > chlorophyll. > > > > > > > > > > > > why is chlorophyll green? > > > > > > > > > > > > chemical reaction and wavelength of resultant light > reflection. > > > > > > > > > > > > why do the chems. react that way and why does that reflection > > > appear > > > > > > > > > > > > green? > > > > > > > > > > > > who does it appear green to? > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know. > > > > > > > > > > > > what IS green. > > > > > > > > > > > > why ask? > > > > > > > > > > > > because. > > > > > > > > > > > > because why? > > > > > > > > > > > > that shit is endless..circular..and leads nowhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > and nobody lives in nowhere and just turns his back at > nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, this is my method in treating your desease, several > > > > > identities > > > > > > > talking about you, is this the type of affection that you > are > > > > looking > > > > > > > for? LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm not looking 'for' anything ms. lulu. > > > > > > > > > > > > what the hell are you looking for? > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************nnb*********************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes " > > <loggin.again@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean that we should isolate them, send them to Nirvana > and > > > > > have them > > > > > > > return when they are ready to share the truth? But where can > > they > > > > > learn > > > > > > > the truth if not here? If people decide to move out, that's > > bad, I > > > > > don't > > > > > > > know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > babalula > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " > <zen_mirror@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since she's a teacher for teachers and not a teacher for > > students, > > > > > they > > > > > > > should maybe be on a list for teachers, not for students. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " > <lulu.dong@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the real mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked in the mirror of seventy thousand beings until I > > realized > > > > > that > > > > > > > I am all of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the real mirror. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no one like me, I am Jesus and Death, Buddha and > > > > > Nisargadatta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One year later, I looked in the same mirror and had to > realize, > > > > > that the > > > > > > > knowledge of seventy thousand beings was ignored by the > > thousands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mirror truth is that I am everyone, I am the mirror and > I am > > > > > > > everyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, I looked in the mirror and saw thousands of faces, so I > > > > > turned the > > > > > > > mirror round and round until I became all these faces. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am all these faces, I am the young and ignorant and > the > > > > wise and > > > > > > > happy, I am those who ignore the truth and those who believe > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What did you say, turn around what you say to others, and > > > > pretend they > > > > > > > said it to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They said to me that I am all the faces in the mirror, or > did > > > > they say > > > > > > > that they are all the faces in the mirror. What's the > > difference? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The difference is that you are all of them, but they are > none of > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So how do you think and feel about the fact that others are > > > > > leaving the > > > > > > > group because of your non spiritual conversations? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I honestly think that's a pitty. Now what? You don't think > > > pitty for > > > > > > > your other selves? That's a shame but how can I change it? > Let's > > > > > awaken > > > > > > > the babalus, let's look in the mirror and see babalu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think about it, Mark has evolved, you have evolved, > > > evolution is a > > > > > > > natural process, why can't it happen to babalu? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So we should tolerate her behaviour? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At least she's attracting those who want her to evolve, > maybe > > > she's > > > > > > > going to develop a deeper sense for truth than all of us, > but if > > > > > we kick > > > > > > > her out what could she possibly learn from that? That we are > > > > ignorant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Than let's be ignorant and let's ignore her posts, until she > > > > evolves, > > > > > > > into a real teacher. I mean a teacher for the students, not > a > > > > teacher > > > > > > > for the teachers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror wrote: > > I second that, > stop talking to baba > and baba, stop talking to the group. ain't gonna happen. maybe you should stop. > Or change your attidude. ain't gonna happen...change yours. > Replace lie with truth, > life with death, > turn your whole world inside out, > and all will be fine, for all. > > And skywords, > you have enough advice to mirror for a log time, > all the advice you gave to baba, get it going. > > god who the fuck you trying to kid...kid? LOL ..b b.b. ]...............................nnb.............................................\ .... > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > great...OK...that's the ticket then. > > > > so stop talking with me.... or rather to me. > > > > that should please both of us for our own reasons. > > > > and all will be good..for you..for me..for the group. > > > > what do you say group? > > > > can we have an agreement from everyone on this simple idea. > > > > > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 So your truth is that every truth is a lie. My truth is that every lie is a truth. What I'm looking for, a place where I can compare the results to my inquiry to who I am. So you came to the conclusion that you are a lier. That's why you are here at Nisargadatta's right, the seeker is he who is in search of himself, give up all questions except for one, who am I. Your answer: I am a lier. My answer: You are telling the truth. The lier is real, the illusion is truth. Mirror-Truth. Looking from the real, truth is a lie. Looking from the unreal, the lie is the truth. You decide that truth is lie, because you are looking from the perspective of truth. I decide that the lie is truth, because I am looking from the perspective of lies. For the existent the truth is a lie. For the nonexistent the lie is the truth. You exist and I don't. That's the difference. To me everything is real because I am not. To you everything is a lie because you are still real. Give up your reality, and your lie turns into my truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I wish for you to talk to the group about your personal growth, how what you believed turned out to be a lie, like you already know, and that there is a deeper truth behind that lie, a truth which only the most deluded realize to see. You have great potential, you're just using the wrong words, you must not destroy meaning and search you must create meaning and support search. I think all of us, have the right to search, but your search is so intense, that it frightens others to death. LOL .... don't change your attidude, just rethink your purpose on this group. Your purpose is to find the real self, not just within yourself, but also within all others, ... babalu Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > no. > > i enjoy talking to the group. > > do you wish for me to not talk to the group. > > i haven't been able lately..actually for some time..to talk to the > group without being ambushed with every attempt no matter with whom or > no matter what i say. > > not by the group..but by he whom i don't wish to talk to or know or > understand or listen to. > > that seems fair to me. > > and really lulu, i don't care who has the last word. > > i've given it to that dude in this case (and before too). > > that doesn't seem to help much. > > i guess i don't understand loneliness enough to tolerate that well. > > so what? > > that stuff of last word is childish to the extreme. > > " got ya last! " > > c'mon for christ's sake! > > .b b.b. > > > > Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong@> wrote: > > > > > > Good idea babalu, > > > > what about yourself, are you going to stop talking to the group too? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 You're right, this is after all your territory. You're a great teacher thanks, So I stop posting to the group. Change my attidude and kid myself. Interesting advice ... god Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> wrote: > > > > I second that, > > stop talking to baba > > and baba, stop talking to the group. > > > ain't gonna happen. > > maybe you should stop. > > > > > > Or change your attidude. > > > ain't gonna happen...change yours. > > > > > Replace lie with truth, > > life with death, > > turn your whole world inside out, > > and all will be fine, for all. > > > > And skywords, > > you have enough advice to mirror for a log time, > > all the advice you gave to baba, get it going. > > > > god > > > > who the fuck you trying to kid...kid? > > > LOL > > .b b.b. > > > ]...............................nnb................................ ................. > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > great...OK...that's the ticket then. > > > > > > so stop talking with me.... or rather to me. > > > > > > that should please both of us for our own reasons. > > > > > > and all will be good..for you..for me..for the group. > > > > > > what do you say group? > > > > > > can we have an agreement from everyone on this simple idea. > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Tell me about my future, lulu will I become like baba or more like lulu? Or will I turn first into baba and than into lulu? What's the cosmic order, which one's first and which one's second? god Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes " <loggin.again wrote: > > I wish for you to talk to the group about your personal growth, > how what you believed turned out to be a lie, like you already know, > and that there is a deeper truth behind that lie, a truth which only > the most deluded realize to see. > > > You have great potential, you're just using the wrong words, you > must not destroy meaning and search you must create meaning and > support search. > > > I think all of us, have the right to search, but your search is so > intense, that it frightens others to death. LOL > > ... don't change your attidude, just rethink your purpose on this > group. Your purpose is to find the real self, not just within > yourself, but also within all others, ... > > > babalu > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > no. > > > > i enjoy talking to the group. > > > > do you wish for me to not talk to the group. > > > > i haven't been able lately..actually for some time..to talk to the > > group without being ambushed with every attempt no matter with > whom or > > no matter what i say. > > > > not by the group..but by he whom i don't wish to talk to or know or > > understand or listen to. > > > > that seems fair to me. > > > > and really lulu, i don't care who has the last word. > > > > i've given it to that dude in this case (and before too). > > > > that doesn't seem to help much. > > > > i guess i don't understand loneliness enough to tolerate that well. > > > > so what? > > > > that stuff of last word is childish to the extreme. > > > > " got ya last! " > > > > c'mon for christ's sake! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Good idea babalu, > > > > > > what about yourself, are you going to stop talking to the group > too? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So your truth is that every truth is a lie. actually i don't believe there is such a thing as 'truth' at all. > My truth is that every lie is a truth. both 'truth' and 'lies' are relative terms that hide actuality and produce smug phantoms that think they can corner either one. what is truth? birth/kill/eat/live/think you know something/be killed or die. Home. that's the deal. like it or not. color it blue..pink...white...black silly phantoms judge and are thereby judged...simple. > What I'm looking for, a place where I can compare the results to my > inquiry to who I am. good luck. > So you came to the conclusion that you are a lier. That's why you > are here at Nisargadatta's right, the seeker is he who is in search > of himself, give up all questions except for one, who am I. Your answer: > I am a lier. My answer: You are telling the truth. that's not My answer. that's YOUR answer to what you believe about what i am saying. WRONG! both answers are lies. one's got a pretty name. same same. NO ONE knows what's up. fools pay money and make bows to those who say they do that's all. it's like you just knowing 'your' team is the BEST ...and is going to win. until they don't and you get real with yourself till the next season. then you start the whole thing up again. 'true believers' never learn a damn thing. > The lier is real, the illusion is truth. there is no such thing as truth..illusion is undeniable. especially in what you just stated. > Mirror-Truth. the mirror merely reverses the image... > Looking from the real, truth is a lie. > > Looking from the unreal, the lie is the truth. no one ever looks from the Real. if the Real is present..no one's there. separated individuals are ghosts of agreement and disagreement but they can never approach the Real...they must die first.. > You decide that truth is lie, because you are looking from the > perspective of truth. > > > > I decide that the lie is truth, because I am looking from the > perspective of lies. that's strange and not worthy of comment. the argument is specious, insensible, and meaningless. > For the existent the truth is a lie. > > For the nonexistent the lie is the truth. i know what your trying to say..but your not saying it. > You exist and I don't. That's the difference. > nothing..no one..is different...that's ego talking lulu. you're gonna have to lose that before you do anything. > To me everything is real because I am not. > > To you everything is a lie because you are still real. i've said time and again..i am NO ONE. how 'real' is that? > Give up your reality, and your lie turns into my truth. i have no reality...Reality has 'me'. nice talking with you ms. lulu, ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes " <loggin.again wrote: > > I wish for you to talk to the group about your personal growth, > how what you believed turned out to be a lie, like you already know, > and that there is a deeper truth behind that lie, a truth which only > the most deluded realize to see. > > > You have great potential, you're just using the wrong words, you > must not destroy meaning and search you must create meaning and > support search. > > > I think all of us, have the right to search, but your search is so > intense, that it frightens others to death. LOL > > ... don't change your attidude, just rethink your purpose on this > group. Your purpose is to find the real self, not just within > yourself, but also within all others, ... > > > babalu that's cool...and fair. ..b b.b. ******************************nnb************************************* > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > no. > > > > i enjoy talking to the group. > > > > do you wish for me to not talk to the group. > > > > i haven't been able lately..actually for some time..to talk to the > > group without being ambushed with every attempt no matter with > whom or > > no matter what i say. > > > > not by the group..but by he whom i don't wish to talk to or know or > > understand or listen to. > > > > that seems fair to me. > > > > and really lulu, i don't care who has the last word. > > > > i've given it to that dude in this case (and before too). > > > > that doesn't seem to help much. > > > > i guess i don't understand loneliness enough to tolerate that well. > > > > so what? > > > > that stuff of last word is childish to the extreme. > > > > " got ya last! " > > > > c'mon for christ's sake! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Good idea babalu, > > > > > > what about yourself, are you going to stop talking to the group > too? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 As if you didn't know the answer, first there was ignorance, out of ignorance became experience and knowledge. knowledge turned into wisdom, and wisdom became ignorance... it's a viscious circle, there is no first and second, it all depends on the direction you travel, the seeker is going toward truth, the teacher is coming toward the seeker, if they happen to meet each other, great lol if not, next round. lulu have a nice weekend and have some realizations. Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror wrote: > > Tell me about my future, lulu > > will I become like baba or more like lulu? > > Or will I turn first into baba and than into lulu? > > What's the cosmic order, which one's first and which one's second? > > > god > > Nisargadatta , " Black Eyes " <loggin.again@> > wrote: > > > > I wish for you to talk to the group about your personal growth, > > how what you believed turned out to be a lie, like you already > know, > > and that there is a deeper truth behind that lie, a truth which > only > > the most deluded realize to see. > > > > > > You have great potential, you're just using the wrong words, you > > must not destroy meaning and search you must create meaning and > > support search. > > > > > > I think all of us, have the right to search, but your search is so > > intense, that it frightens others to death. LOL > > > > ... don't change your attidude, just rethink your purpose on this > > group. Your purpose is to find the real self, not just within > > yourself, but also within all others, ... > > > > > > babalu > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > no. > > > > > > i enjoy talking to the group. > > > > > > do you wish for me to not talk to the group. > > > > > > i haven't been able lately..actually for some time..to talk to > the > > > group without being ambushed with every attempt no matter with > > whom or > > > no matter what i say. > > > > > > not by the group..but by he whom i don't wish to talk to or know > or > > > understand or listen to. > > > > > > that seems fair to me. > > > > > > and really lulu, i don't care who has the last word. > > > > > > i've given it to that dude in this case (and before too). > > > > > > that doesn't seem to help much. > > > > > > i guess i don't understand loneliness enough to tolerate that > well. > > > > > > so what? > > > > > > that stuff of last word is childish to the extreme. > > > > > > " got ya last! " > > > > > > c'mon for christ's sake! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lulu.dong " <lulu.dong@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Good idea babalu, > > > > > > > > what about yourself, are you going to stop talking to the > group > > too? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror wrote: > > > You're right, this is after all your territory. > > You're a great teacher thanks, > So I stop posting to the group. > Change my attidude > and kid myself. > > Interesting advice ... > > god yes interesting.. and a bit conceited to call your own advice 'interesting' when it's turned around and facing you instead of the one you directed it towards. gods can be playful things i guess. ..b b.b. ******************************nnb************************************* > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " zen_mirror " <zen_mirror@> > wrote: > > > > > > I second that, > > > stop talking to baba > > > and baba, stop talking to the group. > > > > > > ain't gonna happen. > > > > maybe you should stop. > > > > > > > > > > > Or change your attidude. > > > > > > ain't gonna happen...change yours. > > > > > > > > > Replace lie with truth, > > > life with death, > > > turn your whole world inside out, > > > and all will be fine, for all. > > > > > > And skywords, > > > you have enough advice to mirror for a log time, > > > all the advice you gave to baba, get it going. > > > > > > god > > > > > > > > who the fuck you trying to kid...kid? > > > > > > LOL > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > ]...............................nnb................................ > ................ > > > > > Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > great...OK...that's the ticket then. > > > > > > > > so stop talking with me.... or rather to me. > > > > > > > > that should please both of us for our own reasons. > > > > > > > > and all will be good..for you..for me..for the group. > > > > > > > > what do you say group? > > > > > > > > can we have an agreement from everyone on this simple idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 No one would understand that specious, insensible, and meaningless argument. Nisargadatta , " .b bobji baba " <Roberibus111 wrote: I know what's up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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