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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

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>

> Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac "

> <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote:

> >

> > > The answer is in the first three words.

> >

> > Sometimes I think u hide behind this funny talk. It sounds very

clever

> > but may be problem for you also?

>

>

> Where else could I hide?

>

>

>

> >

> > It is a simple question.

> >

> > If consciousness is like a drop of water, what is that reflected

in

> > it? It seems that it musts exist out there, but we can never

know it.

> > If it out there, then who can advaita be correct?

> >

>

>

>

>

> Ok........here's the low-down:

>

>

> You assume that there is such a thing as 'advaita'.

>

> There isn't.

>

> You assume that there is such a thing as " consciousness " .....and

then

> set out to define it with other concepts that you have accumulated.

>

> In truth.......there is no such thing as consciousness......and

even

> if there were.....how could you expect it to be able to dissect and

> analyze itself?

>

> Oh I know......there appears to be this thought stream.....coursing

> through what you call your mind......but there is no such 'thing'

as

> mind or thought.

>

>

>

> The more amazing:

>

>

> Even if there were a world 'out there' 'you' could never know it.

>

> The only way that 'you' can 'experience' anything is as an

> electro-chemical response in relationship to the accumulated

memories

> that compose the sense of separateness.

>

> Every'thing' exists only in relationship to an imaginary self.

There appears to be a psychological-center around which all of that

> revolves......but there isn't.

>

>

>

> 'You' have been asking questions about things that don't even

> exist........and the real kicker........you don't exist either.

>

>

>

> At least not in the form which you imagine.

>

>

>

> How can this be said in the concepts that are themselves the only

> cause of confusion...........It can't.

>

>

>

> You will just have to wrestle with this until the futility becomes

> apparent.....(or not)....and when the walls come a tumblin

> down........you will find yourself empty..........within the

> emptiness.......struck dumb and amazed.

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

That is good answer thank you toombaru.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac "

> > > <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > until it's not.

> > > >

> > > > > but 'you' will never know nor see THAT.

> > > >

> > > > > it's all there is and doesn't need nor want 'you'.

> > > >

> > > > Problem for me is that if THAT is, then there is two, not

one.

> > There

> > > > is consciousness, and there is inffer of things oustide

> > consciousness.

> > >

> > >

> > > 'you' seem to want to make a big and important 'thing' out of

> > >

> > > consciousness. 'you'/'consciousness'/ number:

(0:01) / 'THAT' /...

> > are

> > >

> > > not different abstractions. all and every of the

afore 'somewhats'

> > >

> > > indicated are and is, only and every bit of itself. complete,

> > without

> > >

> > > character or characteristic, neither inside nor outside but

that

> > very

> > >

> > > quality of capacity that allows for both and beyond and before

and

> > >

> > > right now. and because 'it' is all that is the case, it is

> > not 'other'

> > >

> > > nor 'aware' of 'other' and strangely not 'aware' of 'self'. not

> > >

> > > one..not two...'you' can't color an aroma, and 'you' can't put

this

> > in

> > >

> > > words.

> > >

> > >

> > > .b boji baba

 

 

Dear o dear, even an average chimp playing wit a keyboard would have

come up with a more meaningful and creative reply. Keep trying

tho......Lttl mn.

 

Once again; Absolute highest form of pretentious BULLSHIT.

 

Be Happy, B. Be Happy.

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Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac "

> > > > <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > until it's not.

> > > > >

> > > > > > but 'you' will never know nor see THAT.

> > > > >

> > > > > > it's all there is and doesn't need nor want 'you'.

> > > > >

> > > > > Problem for me is that if THAT is, then there is two, not

> one.

> > > There

> > > > > is consciousness, and there is inffer of things oustide

> > > consciousness.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 'you' seem to want to make a big and important 'thing' out of

> > > >

> > > > consciousness. 'you'/'consciousness'/ number:

> (0:01) / 'THAT' /...

> > > are

> > > >

> > > > not different abstractions. all and every of the

> afore 'somewhats'

> > > >

> > > > indicated are and is, only and every bit of itself. complete,

> > > without

> > > >

> > > > character or characteristic, neither inside nor outside but

> that

> > > very

> > > >

> > > > quality of capacity that allows for both and beyond and before

> and

> > > >

> > > > right now. and because 'it' is all that is the case, it is

> > > not 'other'

> > > >

> > > > nor 'aware' of 'other' and strangely not 'aware' of 'self'. not

> > > >

> > > > one..not two...'you' can't color an aroma, and 'you' can't put

> this

> > > in

> > > >

> > > > words.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > .b boji baba

>

>

> Dear o dear, even an average chimp playing wit a keyboard would have

> come up with a more meaningful and creative reply. Keep trying

> tho......Lttl mn.

>

> Once again; Absolute highest form of pretentious BULLSHIT.

>

> Be Happy, B. Be Happy.

 

 

 

 

melllll.........vin!

 

your second comment on the same post.

 

rereading are we spunky?

 

good for you son.

 

maybe it will help.

 

 

..b bobji baba

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn "

<mstrdmmlbrn@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac "

> > > > > <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > until it's not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > but 'you' will never know nor see THAT.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > it's all there is and doesn't need nor want 'you'.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Problem for me is that if THAT is, then there is two, not

> > one.

> > > > There

> > > > > > is consciousness, and there is inffer of things oustide

> > > > consciousness.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 'you' seem to want to make a big and important 'thing' out

of

> > > > >

> > > > > consciousness. 'you'/'consciousness'/ number:

> > (0:01) / 'THAT' /...

> > > > are

> > > > >

> > > > > not different abstractions. all and every of the

> > afore 'somewhats'

> > > > >

> > > > > indicated are and is, only and every bit of itself.

complete,

> > > > without

> > > > >

> > > > > character or characteristic, neither inside nor outside but

> > that

> > > > very

> > > > >

> > > > > quality of capacity that allows for both and beyond and

before

> > and

> > > > >

> > > > > right now. and because 'it' is all that is the case, it is

> > > > not 'other'

> > > > >

> > > > > nor 'aware' of 'other' and strangely not 'aware' of 'self'.

not

> > > > >

> > > > > one..not two...'you' can't color an aroma, and 'you' can't

put

> > this

> > > > in

> > > > >

> > > > > words.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > .b boji baba

> >

> >

> > Dear o dear, even an average chimp playing wit a keyboard would

have

> > come up with a more meaningful and creative reply. Keep trying

> > tho......Lttl mn.

> >

> > Once again; Absolute highest form of pretentious BULLSHIT.

> >

> > Be Happy, B. Be Happy.

>

>

>

>

> melllll.........vin!

>

> your second comment on the same post.

>

> rereading are we spunky?

>

> good for you son.

>

> maybe it will help.

>

>

> .b bobji baba

>

 

To be honest with you, I can't get enough of reading this little

drama lttl mn. Hang in there B. I trust you're well.

Be Happy.

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Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn " <mstrdmmlbrn@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " mstrdmmlbrn "

> <mstrdmmlbrn@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac "

> > > > > > <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > until it's not.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > but 'you' will never know nor see THAT.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > it's all there is and doesn't need nor want 'you'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Problem for me is that if THAT is, then there is two, not

> > > one.

> > > > > There

> > > > > > > is consciousness, and there is inffer of things oustide

> > > > > consciousness.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 'you' seem to want to make a big and important 'thing' out

> of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > consciousness. 'you'/'consciousness'/ number:

> > > (0:01) / 'THAT' /...

> > > > > are

> > > > > >

> > > > > > not different abstractions. all and every of the

> > > afore 'somewhats'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > indicated are and is, only and every bit of itself.

> complete,

> > > > > without

> > > > > >

> > > > > > character or characteristic, neither inside nor outside but

> > > that

> > > > > very

> > > > > >

> > > > > > quality of capacity that allows for both and beyond and

> before

> > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > right now. and because 'it' is all that is the case, it is

> > > > > not 'other'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > nor 'aware' of 'other' and strangely not 'aware' of 'self'.

> not

> > > > > >

> > > > > > one..not two...'you' can't color an aroma, and 'you' can't

> put

> > > this

> > > > > in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > words.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > .b boji baba

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear o dear, even an average chimp playing wit a keyboard would

> have

> > > come up with a more meaningful and creative reply. Keep trying

> > > tho......Lttl mn.

> > >

> > > Once again; Absolute highest form of pretentious BULLSHIT.

> > >

> > > Be Happy, B. Be Happy.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > melllll.........vin!

> >

> > your second comment on the same post.

> >

> > rereading are we spunky?

> >

> > good for you son.

> >

> > maybe it will help.

> >

> >

> > .b bobji baba

> >

>

> To be honest with you, I can't get enough of reading this little

> drama lttl mn. Hang in there B. I trust you're well.

> Be Happy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!

 

sure, sure melvin. i believe you....ahem.

 

you're such a silly melly.

 

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac "

<tigerlily_du_lac wrote:

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> >And sensing will

> >always give you a sensory image. What could possibly give you the

> >nature of the actual thing you believe to exist out there?

>

> Ah! This is including image of body too! So Eye, ear, all this is only

> sensed.

>

> But time now to stop with concepts. Enought.

 

Yes.

 

" Now " is always the end of concept.

 

-- D.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac "

> <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote:

> >

> > >And sensing will

> > >always give you a sensory image. What could possibly give you the

> > >nature of the actual thing you believe to exist out there?

> >

> > Ah! This is including image of body too! So Eye, ear, all this is

only

> > sensed.

> >

> > But time now to stop with concepts. Enought.

>

> Yes.

>

> " Now " is always the end of concept.

>

> -- D.

>

 

 

" Now " is merely another concept.

 

It is an unsuccessful attempt by mind to freeze the flowing moment.

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac "

> > <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >And sensing will

> > > >always give you a sensory image. What could possibly give you the

> > > >nature of the actual thing you believe to exist out there?

> > >

> > > Ah! This is including image of body too! So Eye, ear, all this is

> only

> > > sensed.

> > >

> > > But time now to stop with concepts. Enought.

> >

> > Yes.

> >

> > " Now " is always the end of concept.

> >

> > -- D.

> >

>

>

> " Now " is merely another concept.

>

> It is an unsuccessful attempt by mind to freeze the flowing moment.

>

>

> toombaru

 

Now just indicates " immediate " which is " without mediation. "

 

It's silly to hypothesize a mind that can do something to a moment

that can move somewhere.

 

Ah, watch this silliness dissolving of itself ...

 

-- D.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac "

> > > <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >And sensing will

> > > > >always give you a sensory image. What could possibly give you the

> > > > >nature of the actual thing you believe to exist out there?

> > > >

> > > > Ah! This is including image of body too! So Eye, ear, all this is

> > only

> > > > sensed.

> > > >

> > > > But time now to stop with concepts. Enought.

> > >

> > > Yes.

> > >

> > > " Now " is always the end of concept.

> > >

> > > -- D.

> > >

> >

> >

> > " Now " is merely another concept.

> >

> > It is an unsuccessful attempt by mind to freeze the flowing moment.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> Now just indicates " immediate " which is " without mediation. "

>

> It's silly to hypothesize a mind that can do something to a moment

> that can move somewhere.

>

> Ah, watch this silliness dissolving of itself ...

>

> -- D.

>

 

 

" Immediate " to whom?

 

You're just not going to catch This in words Dan.....No matter how

many words you employ.

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac "

> > > > <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >And sensing will

> > > > > >always give you a sensory image. What could possibly give

you the

> > > > > >nature of the actual thing you believe to exist out there?

> > > > >

> > > > > Ah! This is including image of body too! So Eye, ear, all

this is

> > > only

> > > > > sensed.

> > > > >

> > > > > But time now to stop with concepts. Enought.

> > > >

> > > > Yes.

> > > >

> > > > " Now " is always the end of concept.

> > > >

> > > > -- D.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " Now " is merely another concept.

> > >

> > > It is an unsuccessful attempt by mind to freeze the flowing

moment.

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > Now just indicates " immediate " which is " without mediation. "

> >

> > It's silly to hypothesize a mind that can do something to a moment

> > that can move somewhere.

> >

> > Ah, watch this silliness dissolving of itself ...

> >

> > -- D.

> >

>

>

> " Immediate " to whom?

>

> You're just not going to catch This in words Dan.....No matter how

> many words you employ.

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

....and that's why " I " am not even going to try

 

at least right now....;-)

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac "

> > <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >And sensing will

> > > >always give you a sensory image. What could possibly give you the

> > > >nature of the actual thing you believe to exist out there?

> > >

> > > Ah! This is including image of body too! So Eye, ear, all this is

> only

> > > sensed.

> > >

> > > But time now to stop with concepts. Enought.

> >

> > Yes.

> >

> > " Now " is always the end of concept.

> >

> > -- D.

> >

>

>

> " Now " is merely another concept.

>

> It is an unsuccessful attempt by mind to freeze the flowing moment.

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

 

this is merely your concept of what a concept is or is not, and what

you believe the concept's capability is limited to....capable of or

incapable of. and 'you' are not capable of saying it.

 

mind does not 'attempt' anything. mind is period.

 

whatever a moment is...it does not 'flow'.

 

this, the above, was your unsuccessful attempt at wisdom.

 

it is wrong.

 

 

..b b. b.

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac "

> > > > <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >And sensing will

> > > > > >always give you a sensory image. What could possibly give

you the

> > > > > >nature of the actual thing you believe to exist out there?

> > > > >

> > > > > Ah! This is including image of body too! So Eye, ear, all

this is

> > > only

> > > > > sensed.

> > > > >

> > > > > But time now to stop with concepts. Enought.

> > > >

> > > > Yes.

> > > >

> > > > " Now " is always the end of concept.

> > > >

> > > > -- D.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " Now " is merely another concept.

> > >

> > > It is an unsuccessful attempt by mind to freeze the flowing moment.

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > Now just indicates " immediate " which is " without mediation. "

> >

> > It's silly to hypothesize a mind that can do something to a moment

> > that can move somewhere.

> >

> > Ah, watch this silliness dissolving of itself ...

> >

> > -- D.

> >

>

>

> " Immediate " to whom?

 

Any whom would involve a mediator.

 

> You're just not going to catch This in words Dan.....

 

There is no " this " which one could fail to catch, Toom, regardless of

whether one capitalizes it ...

 

> No matter how

> many words you employ.

 

Maybe you'll get lucky when you hit 223,548,769,330,229.

 

Never say never, old chap.

 

-- D.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " tigerlily_du_lac "

> > > > > <tigerlily_du_lac@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >And sensing will

> > > > > > >always give you a sensory image. What could possibly give

> you the

> > > > > > >nature of the actual thing you believe to exist out there?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ah! This is including image of body too! So Eye, ear, all

> this is

> > > > only

> > > > > > sensed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But time now to stop with concepts. Enought.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Now " is always the end of concept.

> > > > >

> > > > > -- D.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " Now " is merely another concept.

> > > >

> > > > It is an unsuccessful attempt by mind to freeze the flowing

moment.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > > Now just indicates " immediate " which is " without mediation. "

> > >

> > > It's silly to hypothesize a mind that can do something to a moment

> > > that can move somewhere.

> > >

> > > Ah, watch this silliness dissolving of itself ...

> > >

> > > -- D.

> > >

> >

> >

> > " Immediate " to whom?

>

> Any whom would involve a mediator.

>

> > You're just not going to catch This in words Dan.....

>

> There is no " this " which one could fail to catch, Toom, regardless of

> whether one capitalizes it ...

>

> > No matter how

> > many words you employ.

>

> Maybe you'll get lucky when you hit 223,548,769,330,229.

>

> Never say never, old chap.

>

> -- D.

 

 

the 'Great No This' is really a Stupid.

 

oh to be Stupid!

 

no words needed...

 

to capitalize.

 

big dividends for small letters.

 

i'll take the letter 'Q' Vana.

 

let's spin the wheel!

 

nobody wins!

 

 

 

..b b.b.

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