Guest guest Report post Posted July 14, 2006 Hi Ana, the first member I put anyone on moderation was Judi when I noticed she was personally attacking you. Recently Larry and Bob were both addicted to the insulting sport and neither of them could let go...and they were both put on moderation because they ignored my warnings. Since this list does not have a visible moderator, some members tend to act up here more than the other groups. Larry earned the distinction of sending me more emails than all the members, in the history of this list combined, ever. He used to complain just about everything that went on the list. Larry was removed from the list because he was unable to stop escalating his personal attacks even though I asked him stop many times via email and public messages. Bob left and he came back. Judi recently left the list after claiming that I didn't allow most of her posts. This is a curious claim since most of her messages were approved. Anyone can do the count. When I didn't allow her most insulting messages towards Toombaru (and Ana in the past), that's when she got most upset, sent me unspeakable emails and finally left the group. I thought it was very unappreciative considering the time spent on moderation and how most of her messages were indeed allowed (despite her claims otherwise)and she was allowed to advertise her own group. By the way anyone can start their own group and advertise here. In case anyone wondering I have been very patient mainly because I don't regard this list as mine and I consider myself more like a caretaker for the Nisargadatta group. All I ask is respect for the Satsang and respect the members who joined this list, not to be personally insulted but because of their interest in Nisargadatta. Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Forgive me gentlemen, > > I think you all know me well enough to understand why I speak now. > You all know how I feel about moderation and banning someone. > Two sides, one coin. Toss it in the air, and see which side it > falls on. > > I think everyone has missed a golden opportunity to see beyond that > which one already knows. We know what we know, we think what we > think, we feel what we feel, and please don't give me any nondual > doublespeak ;-) I am That, I am This. > > Easy to say, but harder when it comes to making it work in real > time, real life. Anytime someone writes, says something that pushes > a button or two, we could give thanks. We can see where WE are > stuck. I-you can't help 'Larry' with anything except acceptance. > > From acceptance, and trying to see beyond what 'Larry' was all about, > we would have learned that he is not a mass murderer or a crazy > terrorist. Just what are WE afraid of? > > How can intelligent, enlightened folks be so reactive? Did anyone > try to not react, and just see how the snow flies, the rain falls, > on the other side of I Am-the " You " . Please save the stories of > how reactive and/or nasty 'Larry' was. It's never about the " other " > person in this type of circumstance and situation. > > And now's a perfect time to throw in the non-duality card, just Who > are we speaking from/about? > > And the bottom line is this: mirror mirror on the wall, empty > mirror, emptied hall. No one sits. No one waits. No one gets past > these gates... > > > Yours In Love, > Ana > > > > p.s. It is in the practice of our daily lives, everywhere I am-You > are. > > How shall we treat oneAnother? Who will let go, first? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver-1069@> > wrote: > > > > I agree with Bill. > > > > :-) > > > > Silver > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/20/2006 3:59:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > kailashana@ writes: > > > > > > > > > It seems Larry does not realize how he provokes others and > > that's > > > > > why he's moderated. Although I approve nearly half of his > > messages > > > > > with leniency I'm not sure if this is working. I'm asking > the > > group > > > > > members to practice restraint if you feel the need to engage > > > > > him...of course you can always play nice with him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: I wonder what hur means when he says, " I'm not sure if > this > > is > > > working? " > > > > Is he, are you, trying to teach me something that you know, > and > > I > > > don't? > > > > Does the group, do all of you, need his advice on how to > behave > > in > > > relation to > > > > me? Mostly, I like to comment on what others are saying, but > I > > also > > > write my > > > > own statements and invite dialogue. > > > > I find the back and forth of list conversation usually trivial > > and > > > empty so I > > > > don't join in. Is that some kind of a problem? Not following > > some > > > unwritten > > > > rules of etiquette? > > > > Mostly, I feel like I am writing to and for myself, and make > > copies > > > of my > > > > statements and comments. I enjoy this. It's like making art > and > > > saving my > > > > pictures. I have no problem being who and what I am. I am at > > ease > > > and at peace > > > > within, and am not looking for any truth or ultimate knowledge > > > outside of myself. > > > > And as far as lessons from kindergarten, I spend many hours > with > > > kindergarten > > > > students and let me tell you, most don't learn these lessons, > and > > > some of you > > > > haven't learned them either. I send my messages out to > > individuals > > > as well > > > > as posting them on the list, and I always send a copy to > myself, > > so > > > hur, you > > > > have no power to play over me. If you have the time to play > your > > > little power > > > > trip, enjoy yourself. I send my art, music, poetry and > messages > > to > > > many so > > > > censor what you want, and post the rest. I don't mind at all. > I > > > don't sense that > > > > anyone is " provoked " by my writing or thinking, but if you are, > > > that's all to > > > > the good isn't it? Are you trying to protect members from me? > > > > Do you want everyone to agree with you all the time? Are you > > > looking for > > > > approval and feel you have to give compliments to be liked? I > > don't > > > use obscene > > > > nasty and crude words like Bob Nixon did, or Silver. I come > > from my > > > feelings, > > > > and give honest responses. If that's not O.K., to bad for you. > > > Suffer. You > > > > may learn something. > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > www.epston.com > > > > > > > > > > Your posting patterns on this list became such an > > > issue that Hur finally put you on moderation. > > > That in itself says something huge, as Hur is > > > *very reluctant* to put anyone on moderation. > > > > > > Many list members, myself included, have given > > > you specific feedback as to why they have found > > > various of your postings offensive. You haven't > > > wanted to hear that. > > > > > > You are apparently simply unable to hear about how > > > your words have or might have a negative impact > > > upon others. That is a very serious limitation. > > > > > > And so long as that is the case the potential for > > > you to meaningfully communicate on a list such as > > > this is zilch. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 14, 2006 Dearest Hur, I truly did not know Judi was on moderation because of me, that that would not have been so. Judy and I understood one another from the get go. At least I understood the role she was undertaking when she kicked me off the ranch. However, it was hurtful to my residual ego;-) when it continued here and elsewhere. When we take sides, which sometimes I understand we must, the game of 'other' begins and it usually has quite an unhappy ending. Well, not exactly, if we understand who plays all parts of the only game in town. This. So, we, all the players here at Niz, may have accomplished an awesome feat, if only one of us (lookers included;-) understand how the game is played. Thank you for all your participation. Hugs, Ana Nisargadatta , " Hur " <hurg wrote: > > Hi Ana, the first member I put anyone on moderation was Judi when I > noticed she was personally attacking you. Recently Larry and Bob were > both addicted to the insulting sport and neither of them could let > go...and they were both put on moderation because they ignored my > warnings. Since this list does not have a visible moderator, some > members tend to act up here more than the other groups. Larry earned > the distinction of sending me more emails than all the members, in > the history of this list combined, ever. He used to complain just > about everything that went on the list. Larry was removed from the > list because he was unable to stop escalating his personal attacks > even though I asked him stop many times via email and public > messages. Bob left and he came back. Judi recently left the list > after claiming that I didn't allow most of her posts. This is a > curious claim since most of her messages were approved. Anyone can do > the count. When I didn't allow her most insulting messages towards > Toombaru (and Ana in the past), that's when she got most upset, sent > me unspeakable emails and finally left the group. I thought it was > very unappreciative considering the time spent on moderation and how > most of her messages were indeed allowed (despite her claims > otherwise)and she was allowed to advertise her own group. > > By the way anyone can start their own group and advertise here. In > case anyone wondering I have been very patient mainly because I don't > regard this list as mine and I consider myself more like a caretaker > for the Nisargadatta group. All I ask is respect for the Satsang and > respect the members who joined this list, not to be personally > insulted but because of their interest in Nisargadatta. > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Forgive me gentlemen, > > > > I think you all know me well enough to understand why I speak now. > > You all know how I feel about moderation and banning someone. > > Two sides, one coin. Toss it in the air, and see which side it > > falls on. > > > > I think everyone has missed a golden opportunity to see beyond that > > which one already knows. We know what we know, we think what we > > think, we feel what we feel, and please don't give me any nondual > > doublespeak ;-) I am That, I am This. > > > > Easy to say, but harder when it comes to making it work in real > > time, real life. Anytime someone writes, says something that > pushes > > a button or two, we could give thanks. We can see where WE are > > stuck. I-you can't help 'Larry' with anything except acceptance. > > > > From acceptance, and trying to see beyond what 'Larry' was all > about, > > we would have learned that he is not a mass murderer or a crazy > > terrorist. Just what are WE afraid of? > > > > How can intelligent, enlightened folks be so reactive? Did anyone > > try to not react, and just see how the snow flies, the rain falls, > > on the other side of I Am-the " You " . Please save the stories of > > how reactive and/or nasty 'Larry' was. It's never about the " other " > > person in this type of circumstance and situation. > > > > And now's a perfect time to throw in the non-duality card, just Who > > are we speaking from/about? > > > > And the bottom line is this: mirror mirror on the wall, empty > > mirror, emptied hall. No one sits. No one waits. No one gets > past > > these gates... > > > > > > Yours In Love, > > Ana > > > > > > > > p.s. It is in the practice of our daily lives, everywhere I am- You > > are. > > > > How shall we treat oneAnother? Who will let go, first? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Silver " <silver-1069@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I agree with Bill. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > Silver > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " pliantheart " <pliantheart@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/20/2006 3:59:57 AM Pacific Daylight > Time, > > > > > kailashana@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > It seems Larry does not realize how he provokes others and > > > that's > > > > > > why he's moderated. Although I approve nearly half of his > > > messages > > > > > > with leniency I'm not sure if this is working. I'm asking > > the > > > group > > > > > > members to practice restraint if you feel the need to > engage > > > > > > him...of course you can always play nice with him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: I wonder what hur means when he says, " I'm not sure if > > this > > > is > > > > working? " > > > > > Is he, are you, trying to teach me something that you know, > > and > > > I > > > > don't? > > > > > Does the group, do all of you, need his advice on how to > > behave > > > in > > > > relation to > > > > > me? Mostly, I like to comment on what others are saying, but > > I > > > also > > > > write my > > > > > own statements and invite dialogue. > > > > > I find the back and forth of list conversation usually > trivial > > > and > > > > empty so I > > > > > don't join in. Is that some kind of a problem? Not > following > > > some > > > > unwritten > > > > > rules of etiquette? > > > > > Mostly, I feel like I am writing to and for myself, and make > > > copies > > > > of my > > > > > statements and comments. I enjoy this. It's like making art > > and > > > > saving my > > > > > pictures. I have no problem being who and what I am. I am at > > > ease > > > > and at peace > > > > > within, and am not looking for any truth or ultimate knowledge > > > > outside of myself. > > > > > And as far as lessons from kindergarten, I spend many hours > > with > > > > kindergarten > > > > > students and let me tell you, most don't learn these lessons, > > and > > > > some of you > > > > > haven't learned them either. I send my messages out to > > > individuals > > > > as well > > > > > as posting them on the list, and I always send a copy to > > myself, > > > so > > > > hur, you > > > > > have no power to play over me. If you have the time to play > > your > > > > little power > > > > > trip, enjoy yourself. I send my art, music, poetry and > > messages > > > to > > > > many so > > > > > censor what you want, and post the rest. I don't mind at > all. > > I > > > > don't sense that > > > > > anyone is " provoked " by my writing or thinking, but if you > are, > > > > that's all to > > > > > the good isn't it? Are you trying to protect members from me? > > > > > Do you want everyone to agree with you all the time? Are you > > > > looking for > > > > > approval and feel you have to give compliments to be liked? I > > > don't > > > > use obscene > > > > > nasty and crude words like Bob Nixon did, or Silver. I come > > > from my > > > > feelings, > > > > > and give honest responses. If that's not O.K., to bad for you. > > > > Suffer. You > > > > > may learn something. > > > > > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > www.epston.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posting patterns on this list became such an > > > > issue that Hur finally put you on moderation. > > > > That in itself says something huge, as Hur is > > > > *very reluctant* to put anyone on moderation. > > > > > > > > Many list members, myself included, have given > > > > you specific feedback as to why they have found > > > > various of your postings offensive. You haven't > > > > wanted to hear that. > > > > > > > > You are apparently simply unable to hear about how > > > > your words have or might have a negative impact > > > > upon others. That is a very serious limitation. > > > > > > > > And so long as that is the case the potential for > > > > you to meaningfully communicate on a list such as > > > > this is zilch. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 14, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Hur " <hurg wrote: > > Hi Ana, the first member I put anyone on moderation was Judi when I > noticed she was personally attacking you. Recently Larry and Bob were > both addicted to the insulting sport and neither of them could let > go...and they were both put on moderation because they ignored my > warnings. Since this list does not have a visible moderator, some > members tend to act up here more than the other groups. Larry earned > the distinction of sending me more emails than all the members, in > the history of this list combined, ever. He used to complain just > about everything that went on the list. Larry was removed from the > list because he was unable to stop escalating his personal attacks > even though I asked him stop many times via email and public > messages. Bob left and he came back. Judi recently left the list > after claiming that I didn't allow most of her posts. This is a > curious claim since most of her messages were approved. Anyone can do > the count. When I didn't allow her most insulting messages towards > Toombaru (and Ana in the past), that's when she got most upset, sent > me unspeakable emails and finally left the group. I thought it was > very unappreciative considering the time spent on moderation and how > most of her messages were indeed allowed (despite her claims > otherwise)and she was allowed to advertise her own group. > > By the way anyone can start their own group and advertise here. In > case anyone wondering I have been very patient mainly because I don't > regard this list as mine and I consider myself more like a caretaker > for the Nisargadatta group. All I ask is respect for the Satsang and > respect the members who joined this list, not to be personally > insulted but because of their interest in Nisargadatta. That's a clear message, Hur, thanks. Speaking for myself, I appreciate it when folks on a list express their point of view, discuss relevant issues, and don't waste a lot of time and energy on personal attacks or proving how witty they are at someone's expense. Nisargadatta also provided a clear message about what he considered the key issues to be, and it makes sense that this list would address those kinds of issues. Thanks, Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
