Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > As long as there is *ability* to *feel*... > > there exists the *potential* for *Pain*! > > > Not all Pain is bad or useless... > > Some of the great poetry [including spiritual ones], > great paintings and other creations of beauty are > born out of Pain! > > Some artists are known to purposely *revisit* > their *root of pain*, in order to keep drawing > inspiration from it! > > > Most *artists* have greater *capacity* to *feel*... > which translates into higher potential for *ecstasy* > as well as *pain*! > > Most Serial Killers, torturers, Rapists, Child Molesters and > other serial criminals have LESS capacity to *feel* > and, in fact *suffer* quite LESS!!! > > > ... > > However, much of the *pain* is simply a LESSON being > taught and once that lesson is TRULY learnt, the need > for that PAIN is gone! > and once the need for pain is gone... there is the ability to feel .... yet what we discuss here is the *relevance* of pain to spirituality ... does my back ache plunge me into a hell of doubts about my ability to be up to my destiny .... that's the question .... whether 'tis important to perform and that i feel that somehow my capability is hampered, then the word " never " comes to mind " i'll never be able to enjoy again... " .... this is the type of suffering that is relevant to spirituality; but i'd like to hear other person's take on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > As long as there is *ability* to *feel*... > > > > there exists the *potential* for *Pain*! > > > > > > Not all Pain is bad or useless... > > > > Some of the great poetry [including spiritual ones], > > great paintings and other creations of beauty are > > born out of Pain! > > > > Some artists are known to purposely *revisit* > > their *root of pain*, in order to keep drawing > > inspiration from it! > > > > > > Most *artists* have greater *capacity* to *feel*... > > which translates into higher potential for *ecstasy* > > as well as *pain*! > > > > Most Serial Killers, torturers, Rapists, Child Molesters and > > other serial criminals have LESS capacity to *feel* > > and, in fact *suffer* quite LESS!!! > > > > > > ... > > > > However, much of the *pain* is simply a LESSON being > > taught and once that lesson is TRULY learnt, the need > > for that PAIN is gone! > > > > and once the need for pain is gone... > there is the ability to feel > ... > yet what we discuss here is the *relevance* > of pain to spirituality ... > does my back ache plunge me into a hell of > doubts about my ability to be up to my destiny > ... > that's the question > ... > whether 'tis important to perform > and that i feel that somehow my capability > is hampered, then the word " never " comes to > mind " i'll never be able to enjoy again... " > ... > this is the type of suffering that is relevant > to spirituality; > but i'd like to hear other person's take on it. > ********** After performances my hands are bruised from drumming. That's Pain. Performing and drumming for me are Pleasures Suffering is not having hands to play drums and being left with the desire to play. Surrender to reality is acceptance that I have no hands to play my drums and acceptance that I might NEVER perform again. happiness is surrender to WHAT IS in spite of pain, pleasure, desire, and lack of fulfillment. In spite of anything, I can be happy AS IS. that's surrender. That's what I think anyway but I might be wrong or might not have the whole picture. In fact, I doubt I do I'm just trying to understand, that's all. bye " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > As long as there is *ability* to *feel*... > > > > there exists the *potential* for *Pain*! > > > > > > Not all Pain is bad or useless... > > > > Some of the great poetry [including spiritual ones], > > great paintings and other creations of beauty are > > born out of Pain! > > > > Some artists are known to purposely *revisit* > > their *root of pain*, in order to keep drawing > > inspiration from it! > > > > > > Most *artists* have greater *capacity* to *feel*... > > which translates into higher potential for *ecstasy* > > as well as *pain*! > > > > Most Serial Killers, torturers, Rapists, Child Molesters and > > other serial criminals have LESS capacity to *feel* > > and, in fact *suffer* quite LESS!!! > > > > > > ... > > > > However, much of the *pain* is simply a LESSON being > > taught and once that lesson is TRULY learnt, the need > > for that PAIN is gone! > > > > and once the need for pain is gone... > there is the ability to feel > ... > yet what we discuss here is the *relevance* > of pain to spirituality ... > does my back ache plunge me into a hell of > doubts about my ability to be up to my destiny > ... > that's the question > ... > whether 'tis important to perform > and that i feel that somehow my capability > is hampered, then the word " never " comes to > mind " i'll never be able to enjoy again... " > ... > this is the type of suffering that is relevant > to spirituality; > but i'd like to hear other person's take on it. > Just a few thoughts to think about ;-) 1. being in the world: suffering - I Am suffering 2. being in the spiritual world - I suffer, I Am 3. non dual suffering: compassion for oneself ie the 'sufferer' AND the one who seems to create the suffering - the 'other' 4. seeing how everything does indeed relate...relatively... absolutely...undoubtedly...simply by: 'Being what is, exactly, precisely what is as it is, NOW.' 5. being in 2 places at the same time: in this world and not of this world... The truly interesting thing is that science is proving that much of criminal/anti-social behaviours originate from and can be seen as a totally different brain activity (brain-mapping) than so-called non- criminals and acceptable-self-restricting socialially adept human beings.* So what/when/how is that moment decided and by whom when one 'acts out'? * that is entirely different in time-location, intelligence-history is it not? We in the good ol' US of A don't have too far to review the relatively recent advent of certain basic human rights established: ie female vote, non-discrimination based on colour creed etc. as the law of the land. However, there is evidence of subtle, if not overt human rights abuses, anywhere one cares to look and see... Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > wrote: > > > > > > As long as there is *ability* to *feel*... > > > > > > there exists the *potential* for *Pain*! > > > > > > > > > Not all Pain is bad or useless... > > > > > > Some of the great poetry [including spiritual ones], > > > great paintings and other creations of beauty are > > > born out of Pain! > > > > > > Some artists are known to purposely *revisit* > > > their *root of pain*, in order to keep drawing > > > inspiration from it! > > > > > > > > > Most *artists* have greater *capacity* to *feel*... > > > which translates into higher potential for *ecstasy* > > > as well as *pain*! > > > > > > Most Serial Killers, torturers, Rapists, Child Molesters and > > > other serial criminals have LESS capacity to *feel* > > > and, in fact *suffer* quite LESS!!! > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > However, much of the *pain* is simply a LESSON being > > > taught and once that lesson is TRULY learnt, the need > > > for that PAIN is gone! > > > > > > > and once the need for pain is gone... > > there is the ability to feel > > ... > > yet what we discuss here is the *relevance* > > of pain to spirituality ... > > does my back ache plunge me into a hell of > > doubts about my ability to be up to my destiny > > ... > > that's the question > > ... > > whether 'tis important to perform > > and that i feel that somehow my capability > > is hampered, then the word " never " comes to > > mind " i'll never be able to enjoy again... " > > ... > > this is the type of suffering that is relevant > > to spirituality; > > but i'd like to hear other person's take on it. > > > > > > Just a few thoughts to think about ;-) > > 1. being in the world: suffering - I Am suffering > > 2. being in the spiritual world - I suffer, I Am > > 3. non dual suffering: compassion for oneself ie the 'sufferer' AND > the one who seems to create the suffering - the 'other' > > 4. seeing how everything does indeed relate...relatively... > absolutely...undoubtedly...simply by: > > 'Being what is, exactly, precisely what is as it is, NOW.' > > 5. being in 2 places at the same time: in this world and not of > this world... > > > Niz said, you don't escape > The truly interesting thing is that science is proving that much of > criminal/anti-social behaviours originate from and can be seen as a > totally different brain activity (brain-mapping) than so-called non- > criminals and acceptable-self-restricting socialially adept human > beings.* So what/when/how is that moment decided and by whom when > one 'acts out'? If the govt asks or if the family is threatened > * that is entirely different in time-location, intelligence-history > is it not? We in the good ol' US of A don't have too far to review > the relatively recent advent of certain basic human rights > established: ie female vote, non-discrimination based on colour > creed etc. as the law of the land. However, there is evidence of > subtle, if not overt human rights abuses, anywhere one cares to look > and see... the American land (as any land) is soaked with blood > Ana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > As long as there is *ability* to *feel*... > > > > > > > > there exists the *potential* for *Pain*! > > > > > > > > > > > > Not all Pain is bad or useless... > > > > > > > > Some of the great poetry [including spiritual ones], > > > > great paintings and other creations of beauty are > > > > born out of Pain! > > > > > > > > Some artists are known to purposely *revisit* > > > > their *root of pain*, in order to keep drawing > > > > inspiration from it! > > > > > > > > > > > > Most *artists* have greater *capacity* to *feel*... > > > > which translates into higher potential for *ecstasy* > > > > as well as *pain*! > > > > > > > > Most Serial Killers, torturers, Rapists, Child Molesters and > > > > other serial criminals have LESS capacity to *feel* > > > > and, in fact *suffer* quite LESS!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > However, much of the *pain* is simply a LESSON being > > > > taught and once that lesson is TRULY learnt, the need > > > > for that PAIN is gone! > > > > > > > > > > and once the need for pain is gone... > > > there is the ability to feel > > > ... > > > yet what we discuss here is the *relevance* > > > of pain to spirituality ... > > > does my back ache plunge me into a hell of > > > doubts about my ability to be up to my destiny > > > ... > > > that's the question > > > ... > > > whether 'tis important to perform > > > and that i feel that somehow my capability > > > is hampered, then the word " never " comes to > > > mind " i'll never be able to enjoy again... " > > > ... > > > this is the type of suffering that is relevant > > > to spirituality; > > > but i'd like to hear other person's take on it. > > > > > > > > > > > Just a few thoughts to think about ;-) > > > > 1. being in the world: suffering - I Am suffering > > > > 2. being in the spiritual world - I suffer, I Am > > > > 3. non dual suffering: compassion for oneself ie the 'sufferer' AND > > the one who seems to create the suffering - the 'other' > > > > 4. seeing how everything does indeed relate...relatively... > > absolutely...undoubtedly...simply by: > > > > 'Being what is, exactly, precisely what is as it is, NOW.' > > > > 5. being in 2 places at the same time: in this world and not of > > this world... > > > > > > > > Niz said, you don't escape ** there is no escape, never was, there is, however, a certain peace, one lives by being in this world and being in the world that Jesus, Niz, Ramana and others speak of. > > > The truly interesting thing is that science is proving that much of > > criminal/anti-social behaviours originate from and can be seen as a > > totally different brain activity (brain-mapping) than so-called non- > > criminals and acceptable-self-restricting socialially adept human > > beings.* So what/when/how is that moment decided and by whom when > > one 'acts out'? > > If the govt asks or if the family is threatened **so, there is always a certain violence, even being 'against violence' has an inherent violence...my brother was a Conscientious Objector during the Viet Nam war, what one of the questions was would he use violence if his family was threatened. That's the kicker isn't it: Who do you consider family? And how much does one Love this designated family and just how far will one go to 'protect' this family? eh? ** > > > * that is entirely different in time-location, intelligence- history > > is it not? We in the good ol' US of A don't have too far to review > > the relatively recent advent of certain basic human rights > > established: ie female vote, non-discrimination based on colour > > creed etc. as the law of the land. However, there is evidence of > > subtle, if not overt human rights abuses, anywhere one cares to look > > and see... > > the American land (as any land) is soaked with blood, Blood is the colour of money. The colour of religion. The colour of every shade of humanity being for and against something... IMHO. Ana > > > Ana > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote: .... > > Niz said, you don't escape > > ** there is no escape, never was, there is, however, a certain peace, > one lives by being in this world and being in the world that Jesus, > Niz, Ramana and others speak of. Peace in the chest like lead .... > If the govt asks or if the family is threatened > > **so, there is always a certain violence, even being 'against > violence' has an inherent violence...my brother was a Conscientious > Objector during the Viet Nam war, great courage, a feeling of isolation and unworthiness what one of the questions was would > he use violence if his family was threatened. they try to project you into the paranoia they were born into. > > That's the kicker isn't it: Who do you consider family? And how > much does one Love this designated family and just how far will one > go to 'protect' this family? eh? ** they have a loaded gun by the bed. > > > > > * that is entirely different in time-location, intelligence- > history > > > is it not? We in the good ol' US of A don't have too far to > review > > > the relatively recent advent of certain basic human rights > > > established: ie female vote, non-discrimination based on colour > > > creed etc. as the law of the land. However, there is evidence of > > > subtle, if not overt human rights abuses, anywhere one cares to > look > > > and see... > > > > the American land (as any land) is soaked with blood, > > Blood is the colour of money. The colour of religion. The colour of > every shade of humanity being for and against something... IMHO. > > Ana > > > > > > Ana > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <anabebe57@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " > <adithya_comming@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > As long as there is *ability* to *feel*... > > > > > > > > > > there exists the *potential* for *Pain*! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not all Pain is bad or useless... > > > > > > > > > > Some of the great poetry [including spiritual ones], > > > > > great paintings and other creations of beauty are > > > > > born out of Pain! > > > > > > > > > > Some artists are known to purposely *revisit* > > > > > their *root of pain*, in order to keep drawing > > > > > inspiration from it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most *artists* have greater *capacity* to *feel*... > > > > > which translates into higher potential for *ecstasy* > > > > > as well as *pain*! > > > > > > > > > > Most Serial Killers, torturers, Rapists, Child Molesters and > > > > > other serial criminals have LESS capacity to *feel* > > > > > and, in fact *suffer* quite LESS!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > However, much of the *pain* is simply a LESSON being > > > > > taught and once that lesson is TRULY learnt, the need > > > > > for that PAIN is gone! > > > > > > > > > > > > > and once the need for pain is gone... > > > > there is the ability to feel > > > > ... > > > > yet what we discuss here is the *relevance* > > > > of pain to spirituality ... > > > > does my back ache plunge me into a hell of > > > > doubts about my ability to be up to my destiny > > > > ... > > > > that's the question > > > > ... > > > > whether 'tis important to perform > > > > and that i feel that somehow my capability > > > > is hampered, then the word " never " comes to > > > > mind " i'll never be able to enjoy again... " > > > > ... > > > > this is the type of suffering that is relevant > > > > to spirituality; > > > > but i'd like to hear other person's take on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a few thoughts to think about ;-) > > > > > > 1. being in the world: suffering - I Am suffering > > > > > > 2. being in the spiritual world - I suffer, I Am > > > > > > 3. non dual suffering: compassion for oneself ie the 'sufferer' > AND > > > the one who seems to create the suffering - the 'other' > > > > > > 4. seeing how everything does indeed > relate...relatively... > > > absolutely...undoubtedly...simply by: > > > > > > 'Being what is, exactly, precisely what is as it is, NOW.' > > > > > > 5. being in 2 places at the same time: in this world and not > of > > > this world... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Niz said, you don't escape > > ** there is no escape, never was, there is, however, a certain peace, > one lives by being in this world and being in the world that Jesus, > Niz, Ramana and others speak of. > > > > > The truly interesting thing is that science is proving that much > of > > > criminal/anti-social behaviours originate from and can be seen as > a > > > totally different brain activity (brain-mapping) than so- called > non- > > > criminals and acceptable-self-restricting socialially adept human > > > beings.* So what/when/how is that moment decided and by whom when > > > one 'acts out'? > > > > > > If the govt asks or if the family is threatened > > **so, there is always a certain violence, even being 'against > violence' has an inherent violence...my brother was a Conscientious > Objector during the Viet Nam war, what one of the questions was would > he use violence if his family was threatened. > > That's the kicker isn't it: Who do you consider family? And how > much does one Love this designated family and just how far will one > go to 'protect' this family? eh? ** > > > > > > > * that is entirely different in time-location, intelligence- > history > > > is it not? We in the good ol' US of A don't have too far to > review > > > the relatively recent advent of certain basic human rights > > > established: ie female vote, non-discrimination based on colour > > > creed etc. as the law of the land. However, there is evidence of > > > subtle, if not overt human rights abuses, anywhere one cares to > look > > > and see... > > > > the American land (as any land) is soaked with blood, > > Blood is the colour of money. The colour of religion. The colour of > every shade of humanity being for and against something... IMHO. > > Ana ***** Is it true? The color of money is red? Or is the color of blood the color of money? Is it true the color of blood is blue? Only to Royals Who dress in purple that's who. " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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