everything Is....fine (((Infinity and zero-distance are

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > > The great sages have not been able to reduce that which is called

> > suffering in the world.

> > >

> > > It is not Deep Peace that will cure suffering. It is the

> > understanding of its source that kills

> > > the root.

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> >

> > In truth there is only peace.

> >

> > There is nothing to be understood.

> >

> >

> > Bill

>

>

> good point Bill....

>

> everything Is....fine

>

> Marc

>

>

> Ps: impossible to study Deep Peace.....but it Is....real

>

 

 

.........as real as its counterpart.

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > > The great sages have not been able to reduce that which is

called

> > > suffering in the world.

> > > >

> > > > It is not Deep Peace that will cure suffering. It is the

> > > understanding of its source that kills

> > > > the root.

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >

> > > In truth there is only peace.

> > >

> > > There is nothing to be understood.

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> >

> >

> > good point Bill....

> >

> > everything Is....fine

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > Ps: impossible to study Deep Peace.....but it Is....real

> >

>

>

> ........as real as its counterpart.

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

 

exactly, yes

 

even if this counterpart is not aware of....

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > > The great sages have not been able to reduce that which is

called

> > > suffering in the world.

> > > >

> > > > It is not Deep Peace that will cure suffering. It is the

> > > understanding of its source that kills

> > > > the root.

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >

> > > In truth there is only peace.

> > >

> > > There is nothing to be understood.

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> >

> >

> > good point Bill....

> >

> > everything Is....fine

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > Ps: impossible to study Deep Peace.....but it Is....real

> >

>

>

> ........as real as its counterpart.

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

a gem!

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > > The great sages have not been able to reduce that which is

called

> > > suffering in the world.

> > > >

> > > > It is not Deep Peace that will cure suffering. It is the

> > > understanding of its source that kills

> > > > the root.

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >

> > > In truth there is only peace.

> > >

> > > There is nothing to be understood.

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> >

> >

> > good point Bill....

> >

> > everything Is....fine

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > Ps: impossible to study Deep Peace.....but it Is....real

> >

>

>

> ........as real as its counterpart.

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

:-)

 

Len

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > > The great sages have not been able to reduce that which is

called

> > > suffering in the world.

> > > >

> > > > It is not Deep Peace that will cure suffering. It is the

> > > understanding of its source that kills

> > > > the root.

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >

> > > In truth there is only peace.

> > >

> > > There is nothing to be understood.

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> >

> >

> > good point Bill....

> >

> > everything Is....fine

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > Ps: impossible to study Deep Peace.....but it Is....real

> >

>

>

> ........as real as its counterpart.

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

in awareness.....there is no " counterpart " ....

 

then....we come back to the words of Bill:

 

" In truth there is only peace.

> > >

> > > There is nothing to be understood. "

 

 

 

Ps: do you have a problem with " counterparts " ?

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In a message dated 2/17/2006 1:51:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

Re: everything Is....fine (((Infinity and zero-distance are

 

Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> > The great sages have not been able to reduce that which is called

> suffering in the world.

> >

> > It is not Deep Peace that will cure suffering. It is the

> understanding of its source that kills

> > the root.

> >

> > toombaru

>

> >>>>>>>>>>

>

> In truth there is only peace.

>

> There is nothing to be understood.

>

>

> Bill

 

 

good point Bill....

 

everything Is....fine

 

Marc

 

 

Ps: impossible to study Deep Peace.....but it Is....real

 

 

 

 

I find that I'm not in agreement with the implication that understanding

does not lead to peace. This would seem to say that evolution of human

consciousness does not experientially occur. The understanding does not lead

directly

to nondualistic peace but it certainly leads to the experience of a peaceful

life in duality and is the necessary preparation of mind for

release/transcendence.

 

Do I need to describe the understandings that occur in spiritually mature

individuals that lead to peace and release of egoic needs and attachments?

Hasn't everyone here already come to some of those understandings?

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

precious answer Werner!

Patricia

 

Yes, Marc,

 

And I see you still have not lost your humour

 

Werner

 

 

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

 

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

<wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> >

> Hi holy Werner,

>

> as i see....you feel just.....fine......in writing

this interesting

> words....

>

> Marc

>

>

> > Oh holy shit,

> >

> > Why does the name of Maharaj attract so many

religious

> conservatives ?

> >

> > (conservative is a polite word to circumscribe an

idiot).

> >

> > Werner

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , ravi kittad

<cute_ravindra@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Him

> > >

> > > Pls find the photo of Incarnation of Lord

Vishnu.

> > >

> > > Ravindra

> > > --- ravi kittad <cute_ravindra@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > If you want to remove the suffering of the

world.

> > > >

> > > > IT is possible , This process is happening in

> > > > chennai

> > > > , India by Our the incarnation of God i.e

> > > > Incarnation

> > > > Lord Vishnu...

> > > >

> > > > Sree Shriman Kalki Bhagwan.

> > > >

> > > > Pls find there photo.

> > > >

> > > > For more information , pls go through the

site.

> > > >

> > > > onenessuniversity.org

> > > > livinginjoy.com

> > > >

> > > > Ravindra

> > > >

> > > > INDIA

> > > >

> > > > Love and Light

> > > >

> > > > Always at the lotus feet of the Amma And

Bhagawan

> > > > Pls chant this mantra and your wish will come

true

> > > >

> > > > Om

> > > > Sat Chit Ananda

> > > > Parabrahma Purushothama Paramathma

> > > > Sri Bhagavathi Padmavathi Sametha

> > > > Sri Kalki Bhagavathe Namaha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- Werner Woehr <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > In vino veritas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta ,

" billrishel "

> > > > > <illusyn@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > The great sages have not been able to

reduce

> > > > > that which is called

> > > > > > suffering in the world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is not Deep Peace that will cure

suffering.

> > > > > It is the

> > > > > > understanding of its source that kills

> > > > > > > the root.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > toombaru

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In truth there is only peace.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is nothing to be understood.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bill

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

 

> > > >

> > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

> > > > protection around

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

 

> > >

> > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

protection around

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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if you want to remove suffering of this world,

Remove yourself.

--- Werner Woehr <wwoehr a écrit :

 

 

 

In vino veritas.

 

Werner

 

 

Nisargadatta , " billrishel "

<illusyn wrote:

>

> > The great sages have not been able to reduce that

which is called

> suffering in the world.

> >

> > It is not Deep Peace that will cure suffering. It

is the

> understanding of its source that kills

> > the root.

> >

> > toombaru

>

> >>>>>>>>>>

>

> In truth there is only peace.

>

> There is nothing to be understood.

>

>

> Bill

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote:

>

> if you want to remove suffering of this world,

> Remove yourself.

> --- Werner Woehr <wwoehr a écrit :

>

 

 

Hey............that would make a good bumper sticker....:-)

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 2/17/2006 1:51:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

> Re: everything Is....fine (((Infinity and zero-distance are

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > > The great sages have not been able to reduce that which is called

> > suffering in the world.

> > >

> > > It is not Deep Peace that will cure suffering. It is the

> > understanding of its source that kills

> > > the root.

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> >

> > In truth there is only peace.

> >

> > There is nothing to be understood.

> >

> >

> > Bill

>

>

> good point Bill....

>

> everything Is....fine

>

> Marc

>

>

> Ps: impossible to study Deep Peace.....but it Is....real

>

>

>

>

> I find that I'm not in agreement with the implication that understanding

> does not lead to peace.

 

 

If peace is the goal....it will present an ever receding horizon.

 

 

 

This would seem to say that evolution of human

> consciousness does not experientially occur.

 

 

 

Do you believe that the world is more peaceful now then in the past?

 

Does it appear that the evolution of human consciousness is bringing us closer

to a

peaceful world?

 

 

 

The understanding does not lead directly

> to nondualistic peace but it certainly leads to the experience of a peaceful

> life in duality

 

 

There is no peaceful life in duality.......there are merely some less war-prone

personalities.

 

 

 

and is the necessary preparation of mind for

> release/transcendence.

 

 

The 'mind' can never transcend itself.

 

 

 

>

> Do I need to describe the understandings that occur in spiritually mature

> individuals

 

 

 

When the fruit is ready..........it disappears.

 

 

 

that lead to peace and release of egoic needs and attachments?

> Hasn't everyone here already come to some of those understandings?

>

> Phil

>

>

 

Enlightenment is the absence of the illusion of individual mind......not its

transformation.

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

> In truth there is only peace.

>

> There is nothing to be understood.

>

>

> Bill

 

 

good point Bill....

 

everything Is....fine

 

Marc

 

 

Ps: impossible to study Deep Peace.....but it Is....real

 

 

 

 

I find that I'm not in agreement with the implication that understanding

does not lead to peace. This would seem to say that evolution of human

consciousness does not experientially occur. The understanding does

not lead

directly

to nondualistic peace but it certainly leads to the experience of a

peaceful

life in duality and is the necessary preparation of mind for

release/transcendence.

 

Do I need to describe the understandings that occur in spiritually mature

individuals that lead to peace and release of egoic needs and attachments?

Hasn't everyone here already come to some of those understandings?

 

Phil

 

>>>>

 

Certainly there are " maturation adjustments " along the

way that lead to a more spiritually whole way of living.

Not blaming others for one's troubles, for example, is one

such step of spiritual maturation. The eightfold path of

Buddhism is a path of such steps. And the establishment

of such patterns in the life is crucial as a foundation

for any real release from suffering (my view).

 

While I tend to think of such spiritual evolutionary

steps as a kind of " reprogramming " rather than undertanding,

something does have to be " seen " (it would appear) in

order for that programming to take root. So in that

sense the writer has a point.

 

Nevertheless, there is nothing to be understood.

Neti neti is about the release of myriad false understandings.

It is not that one " get's it " . That is a misconception

(my view). It is that all the " getting it " is ungot.

And in the absence of any " getting it " there is an

astounding simplicity that cannot be described.

 

 

Bill

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When the fruit is ready..........it disappears.

~~~~

Ha! just so

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > The great sages have not been able to reduce that which is called

> > > suffering in the world.

> > > >

> > > > It is not Deep Peace that will cure suffering. It is the

> > > understanding of its source that kills

> > > > the root.

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >

> > > In truth there is only peace.

> > >

> > > There is nothing to be understood.

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> >

> >

> > good point Bill....

> >

> > everything Is....fine

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >

> > Ps: impossible to study Deep Peace.....but it Is....real

> >

>

>

> ........as real as its counterpart.

>

>

> toombaru

>>>>>>>>

 

there is no counterpart

 

counterpart is a mind thing,

and as such is unreal

 

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > The great sages have not been able to reduce that which is

called

> > > > suffering in the world.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is not Deep Peace that will cure suffering. It is the

> > > > understanding of its source that kills

> > > > > the root.

> > > > >

> > > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >

> > > > In truth there is only peace.

> > > >

> > > > There is nothing to be understood.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bill

> > >

> > >

> > > good point Bill....

> > >

> > > everything Is....fine

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> > >

> > > Ps: impossible to study Deep Peace.....but it Is....real

> > >

> >

> >

> > ........as real as its counterpart.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >>>>>>>>

>

> there is no counterpart

>

> counterpart is a mind thing,

> and as such is unreal

>

>

> Bill

>

 

ok, so...as unreal as its counterpart!

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > The great sages have not been able to reduce that which is

> called

> > > > > suffering in the world.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is not Deep Peace that will cure suffering. It is the

> > > > > understanding of its source that kills

> > > > > > the root.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > toombaru

> > > > >

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >

> > > > > In truth there is only peace.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is nothing to be understood.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Bill

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > good point Bill....

> > > >

> > > > everything Is....fine

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ps: impossible to study Deep Peace.....but it Is....real

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ........as real as its counterpart.

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >>>>>>>>

> >

> > there is no counterpart

> >

> > counterpart is a mind thing,

> > and as such is unreal

> >

> >

> > Bill

> >

>

> ok, so...as unreal as its counterpart!

>

what counterpart?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/18/2006 10:43:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" toombaru2006 " <lastrain

Re: everything Is....fine (((Infinity and zero-distance are

 

 

 

 

 

 

> I find that I'm not in agreement with the implication that understanding

> does not lead to peace.

 

 

T: If peace is the goal....it will present an ever receding horizon.

 

 

 

P: Understanding is the goal. The truth shall set you free.

 

 

 

 

This would seem to say that evolution of human

> consciousness does not experientially occur.

 

 

 

T: Do you believe that the world is more peaceful now then in the past?

 

Does it appear that the evolution of human consciousness is bringing us

closer to a

peaceful world?

 

 

 

P: Yes, but I was speaking more of individual human consciousness. You don't

believe that any kind of consciousness evolution has occurred in you in your

lifetime?

 

 

 

The understanding does not lead directly

> to nondualistic peace but it certainly leads to the experience of a

peaceful

> life in duality

 

 

T: There is no peaceful life in duality.......there are merely some less

war-prone personalities.

 

 

 

P: You know of no-one who lives in peace, even yourself? I'm sorry to hear

that. My life is actually quite peaceful.

 

 

 

 

 

and is the necessary preparation of mind for

> release/transcendence.

 

 

T: The 'mind' can never transcend itself.

 

 

 

P: It was not suggested that it could. What do you think when you see the

word " release " ? Does that conjure an image of self transcendence?

 

 

 

 

 

that lead to peace and release of egoic needs and attachments?

> Hasn't everyone here already come to some of those understandings?

>

> Phil

>

>

 

T: Enlightenment is the absence of the illusion of individual mind......not

its transformation.

 

 

 

P: Who said anything about enlightenment or transformation? When you read

" release of egoic needs and attachments " , do you think 'enlightenment'? These

are spiritual disciplines that most serious seekers accomplish to some degree.

 

 

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/18/2006 10:43:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

" billrishel " <illusyn

Re: everything Is....fine (((Infinity and zero-distance are

 

> In truth there is only peace.

>

> There is nothing to be understood.

>

>

> Bill

 

 

good point Bill....

 

everything Is....fine

 

Marc

 

 

Ps: impossible to study Deep Peace.....but it Is....real

 

 

 

 

I find that I'm not in agreement with the implication that understanding

does not lead to peace. This would seem to say that evolution of human

consciousness does not experientially occur. The understanding does

not lead

directly

to nondualistic peace but it certainly leads to the experience of a

peaceful

life in duality and is the necessary preparation of mind for

release/transcendence.

 

Do I need to describe the understandings that occur in spiritually mature

individuals that lead to peace and release of egoic needs and attachments?

Hasn't everyone here already come to some of those understandings?

 

Phil

 

>>>>

 

Certainly there are " maturation adjustments " along the

way that lead to a more spiritually whole way of living.

Not blaming others for one's troubles, for example, is one

such step of spiritual maturation. The eightfold path of

Buddhism is a path of such steps. And the establishment

of such patterns in the life is crucial as a foundation

for any real release from suffering (my view).

 

While I tend to think of such spiritual evolutionary

steps as a kind of " reprogramming " rather than undertanding,

something does have to be " seen " (it would appear) in

order for that programming to take root. So in that

sense the writer has a point.

 

Nevertheless, there is nothing to be understood.

Neti neti is about the release of myriad false understandings.

It is not that one " get's it " . That is a misconception

(my view). It is that all the " getting it " is ungot.

And in the absence of any " getting it " there is an

astounding simplicity that cannot be described.

 

 

Bill

 

 

 

I'm in complete agreement here. Certainly, the understandings are not

technical or conceptual, perhaps a better word is realizations, which inevitably

amount to release.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 2/18/2006 10:43:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

> Re: everything Is....fine (((Infinity and zero-distance are

> I find that I'm not in agreement with the implication that understanding

> > does not lead to peace.

>

>

> T: If peace is the goal....it will present an ever receding horizon.

>

>

>

> P: Understanding is the goal. The truth shall set you free.

 

 

 

The truth will annihilate 'you'.

 

 

 

>

>

>

>

> This would seem to say that evolution of human

> > consciousness does not experientially occur.

>

>

>

> T: Do you believe that the world is more peaceful now then in the past?

>

> Does it appear that the evolution of human consciousness is bringing us

> closer to a

> peaceful world?

>

>

>

> P: Yes, but I was speaking more of individual human consciousness.

 

 

Yes, I know that you were.

But....there is no such thing as " individual human consciousness " .

 

 

 

You don't

> believe that any kind of consciousness evolution has occurred in you in your

> lifetime?

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

>

>

> The understanding does not lead directly

> > to nondualistic peace but it certainly leads to the experience of a

> peaceful

> > life in duality

>

>

> T: There is no peaceful life in duality.......there are merely some less

> war-prone personalities.

>

>

>

> P: You know of no-one who lives in peace, even yourself? I'm sorry to hear

> that. My life is actually quite peaceful.

 

 

Duality...is war.

 

 

 

>

>

>

>

>

> and is the necessary preparation of mind for

> > release/transcendence.

>

>

> T: The 'mind' can never transcend itself.

>

>

>

> P: It was not suggested that it could. What do you think when you see the

> word " release " ? Does that conjure an image of self transcendence?

 

 

 

No.

 

Release conjures the image of the end of the tension that sustains the painful

illusion of

separation and

solitary confinement.

 

>

>

>

>

>

> that lead to peace and release of egoic needs and attachments?

 

 

The so called ego is nothing other then a loose configuration of needs and

attachment.

 

 

> > Hasn't everyone here already come to some of those understandings?

> >

> > Phil

> >

> >

 

 

Does a shadow ever become the light?

 

 

 

 

 

>

> T: Enlightenment is the absence of the illusion of individual mind......not

> its transformation.

>

>

>

> P: Who said anything about enlightenment or transformation? When you read

> " release of egoic needs and attachments " , do you think 'enlightenment'? These

> are spiritual disciplines that most serious seekers accomplish to some

degree.

>

>

 

 

No...they just apply more makeup to the mirror...and interpret that as personal

beauty.

 

They attempt to make a silk purse out os a sow's ear.

 

In seeking its own transformation...the 'ego' wants nothing less then to ascent

the throne

of the god of its own creation.

 

It will step over starving babies........on its trip to Arunachala.......

 

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/19/2006 11:42:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

> P: Understanding is the goal. The truth shall set you free.

 

 

 

T: The truth will annihilate 'you'.

 

 

 

P: Yup, and set you free.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

P: Yes, but I was speaking more of individual human consciousness.

 

 

T: Yes, I know that you were.

But....there is no such thing as " individual human consciousness " .

 

 

 

P: Niether do you, but it doesn't stop you from posting the contents of your

consciousness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> P: You know of no-one who lives in peace, even yourself? I'm sorry to hear

 

> that. My life is actually quite peaceful.

 

 

T: Duality...is war.

 

 

 

P: To a warior, yes it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> that lead to peace and release of egoic needs and attachments?

 

 

T: The so called ego is nothing other then a loose configuration of needs

and attachment.

 

 

 

P: Ego is a highly structured and remarkably self deceptive system of self

identifying thought, not easily dismissed as a loose configuration of anything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> P: Who said anything about enlightenment or transformation? When you read

> " release of egoic needs and attachments " , do you think 'enlightenment'?

These

> are spiritual disciplines that most serious seekers accomplish to some

degree.

>

>

T: No...they just apply more makeup to the mirror...and interpret that as

personal beauty.

 

They attempt to make a silk purse out os a sow's ear.

 

In seeking its own transformation...the 'ego' wants nothing less then to

ascent the throne

of the god of its own creation.

 

It will step over starving babies........on its trip to Arunachala.......

 

 

 

 

P: Are you as dangerous an individual as you sound?

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 2/17/2006 1:51:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

> Re: everything Is....fine (((Infinity and zero-distance

are

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

wrote:

> >

> > > The great sages have not been able to reduce that which is

called

> > suffering in the world.

> > >

> > > It is not Deep Peace that will cure suffering. It is the

> > understanding of its source that kills

> > > the root.

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> >

> > In truth there is only peace.

> >

> > There is nothing to be understood.

> >

> >

> > Bill

>

>

> good point Bill....

>

> everything Is....fine

>

> Marc

>

>

> Ps: impossible to study Deep Peace.....but it Is....real

>

>

>

>

> I find that I'm not in agreement with the implication that

understanding

> does not lead to peace. This would seem to say that evolution of

human

> consciousness does not experientially occur. The understanding does

not lead directly

> to nondualistic peace but it certainly leads to the experience of

a peaceful

> life in duality and is the necessary preparation of mind for

> release/transcendence.

>

> Do I need to describe the understandings that occur in spiritually

mature

> individuals that lead to peace and release of egoic needs and

attachments?

> Hasn't everyone here already come to some of those understandings?

>

> Phil

>

>

>

>Hi Phil,

 

the only understanding one need to have....is that this " mortal "

identification with body-mind-intellect can't be the real Self...

 

if one is persuaded about Self.....and when one come in touch with

Self......by meditation as for example......

the process of loosing slowly the wrong identity and the wrong

understandings (illusions) is running....

 

then....there is " deep peace " rising.....and rising....

 

sure...if one even don't " believe " in the existence of an infinite

Self......then, even endless studdies give no result.....

 

we are not this body-mind-intellect....and never have realy been......

this is the understanding one need to have.....to start a spiritual

process.....

 

this process is not of " intellect " (-championship)....but of giving

up with endless love......this illusions of wrong identity....

 

Marc