Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Anders, > > If you wouldn't constantly fish for compliments, I would believe that > you are insane too > > Werner > Identification.......is insanity. All " men " are insane. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " misterenlightenment " <misterenlightenment> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > And I have a slight contraction > > > there, in the center of me, > > > a reminding. > > > > > > --those whom I had not > > > welcomed > > > in the presence > > > of my sanctuary... > > > > > > for I have not always been kind... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To take credit for one's unkindness makes as much sense and having > pride in one's place of birth. > > > > > > toombaru>> > > Do not give credit where credit is not due. (Who could have ever > imagined that I'd become a Toomeyite?) > > Yes, Martha, it IS a Wonderful Life. > > Mr. E Do not assume that you are able to grant or withhold credit. And try not to assume that it is you assuming that. .......and try to see who is trying all this stuff..... toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Toomb, > > What happens when you hold your hand above a burning candle and you > factor out volition ? We are not talking of hands and candles. We are discussing ideas about a supposed volitional entity. > > The seeing of danger has its own action, didn't you know this ? Yes....an involuntary re-action. > > Same with seeing the danger of seeking love, attention, to be > comforted etc. Identification needs constant reinforcement..... You assume that this supposed entity ....in its fitfull dream .....can somehow voluntarily cut off it own feeding tubes. You assume that it is pulling its own strings....... Well...that's Ok to believe that.....That's where you are...right now.......but it's not true. > > And, I honestly ask you, when living your daily life " Life " is being lived......through " me " . do you > constantly ask with every step you do " What happens when I factor out > volition " ? Do you bother in your daily life about volition ? " I " walk a thin line.......between bliss.......and sheer terror. > > But suddenly you bother about " my thesis " what happens when factoring > out volition. Why that ? Oh......I'm afraid that I am just using you to tune my own piano. When I hear a chord that rings flat........I go on in there and tighten a few strings....Don't take anything that comes through me as criticism......I'm as lost at the rest of you....LOL toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2005 Toombi Angel, Haven't you realized that I just seemingly spoke abou hands and candles but in reality I wanted to show you in a decent way what an idiot you are ? Gosh, and even that you didn't grasp. Werner Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Toomb, > > > > What happens when you hold your hand above a burning candle and you > > factor out volition ? > > > > We are not talking of hands and candles. > > > We are discussing ideas about a supposed volitional entity. > > > > > > > > The seeing of danger has its own action, didn't you know this ? > > Yes....an involuntary re-action. > > > > > > Same with seeing the danger of seeking love, attention, to be > > comforted etc. > > > Identification needs constant reinforcement..... > > You assume that this supposed entity ....in its fitfull dream .....can somehow voluntarily cut > off it own feeding tubes. > > > You assume that it is pulling its own strings....... > > Well...that's Ok to believe that.....That's where you are...right now.......but it's not true. > > > > > > > > > And, I honestly ask you, when living your daily life > > > > " Life " is being lived......through " me " . > > > > > > do you > > constantly ask with every step you do " What happens when I factor out > > volition " ? Do you bother in your daily life about volition ? > > > " I " walk a thin line.......between bliss.......and sheer terror. > > > > > > > But suddenly you bother about " my thesis " what happens when factoring > > out volition. Why that ? > > > > > Oh......I'm afraid that I am just using you to tune my own piano. > > When I hear a chord that rings flat........I go on in there and tighten a few strings....Don't > take anything that comes through me as criticism......I'm as lost at the rest of you....LOL > > > toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Toombi Angel, > > Haven't you realized that I just seemingly spoke abou hands and > candles but in reality I wanted to show you in a decent way what an > idiot you are ? > > Gosh, and even that you didn't grasp. > > Werner > Oh.............you were thinking that this toombaru fellow is outside of you. Well that a common delusion......Perhaps your words will cure him.....perhaps not. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2005 - Judi Rhodes Nisargadatta Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:31 AM Re: Re: When Judi Bounced Anna > > > And I have a slight contraction > there, in the center of me, > a reminding. > > --those whom I had not > welcomed > in the presence > of my sanctuary... > > for I have not always been kind... > > To take credit for one's unkindness makes as much sense and having pride in one's place of birth. toombaru *********** Yes, it's a power trip. Willing to take blame so she can get the credit. She takes us all for stupid. Judi Are all we gals done with page one, cause I'd like to get on to page 2. I mean, how many girl scots you got to ru together before you figure this out? Anna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: >To stay wothout any escape with the pain of being isolated is the >ending of childhood. The only possible cause for such pain is desire. To stay with desire w/o any escape is simply stupidness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2005 Wow, Mr. Missing-The-Point is back. Werner Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > >To stay wothout any escape with the pain of being isolated is the > >ending of childhood. > > The only possible cause for such pain is desire. To stay with desire > w/o any escape is simply stupidness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 26, 2005 Mr.Werner Woehr wrote > > " The cause of isolation is the need and longing for " love " which is ok > for a child but not for an adult. Adults seeking love are ugly. " Oh,I'm just a poor,little boy constantly seeking LOVE! I seek Love – because i HAVE love I only seek what I already have Nah,they say that not even Eternity could Hold Houdini – and likewise the Chains of Enlightenment could never hold absolute ambitious attraction! the Self is helplessly in love with the Self Hey,You Guys are flying much too high for me too early Canonization might lead to Zanonization Let me take you down………………… Vibes, Flemming (who's somewhat attached to the only two books worth reading, " I Am That " and " The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna " ) PS – Well,ehh – No Offense Meant! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2005 Hey Little Boy, What are your speaking of ? I haven't got it. The only I understood was that you are a little boy and you are full of shit or love or something like that and that you fell in love with Houdini. Is it possible for you to calm down and write one or two orderly sentences ? Werner Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 " <Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote: > > Mr.Werner Woehr wrote > > > > " The cause of isolation is the need and longing for " love " which > is ok > > for a child but not for an adult. Adults seeking love are ugly. " > > Oh,I'm just a poor,little boy constantly seeking LOVE! > I seek Love – because i HAVE love > I only seek what I already have > Nah,they say that not even Eternity could > Hold Houdini – and likewise the > Chains of Enlightenment could never hold > absolute ambitious attraction! > the Self is helplessly in love with the Self > Hey,You Guys are flying much too high for me > too early Canonization might lead to Zanonization > Let me take you down………………… > Vibes, > Flemming (who's somewhat attached to the only > two books worth reading, " I Am That " and " The Gospel of Sri > Ramakrishna " ) > > PS – Well,ehh – No Offense Meant! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > >Mr. Missing-The-Point is back. I would like to inform you that I have put you into my spam filter. In the usenet this is called " plonk " . Maybe still you should think about if your behaviour here is the way you consider to be appropriate for " adults " . Regards Stefan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2005 - Stefan Nisargadatta Wednesday, April 27, 2005 5:56 AM Re: When Judi Bounced Anna Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > >Mr. Missing-The-Point is back. I would like to inform you that I have put you into my spam filter. In the usenet this is called " plonk " . Maybe still you should think about if your behaviour here is the way you consider to be appropriate for " adults " . Regards Stefan a gentle reminder, Stefan my love, when there is nothing left to protect, there is nothing left to defend.... All is music, even the apparent discordant notes.... love, anna ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: >a gentle reminder, Stefan my love, >when there is nothing left to protect, >there is nothing left to defend.... > >All is music, even the apparent discordant notes.... > >love, > >anna Thank you very, very much, Anna. At the moment I look at it like this: people like W., attacking me in spite of the offerings I am giving them, are my enemies. Of course they are the enemies inside of me, inside of this ever adolescent realm called " Stefan " . Precious enemies that show me where there is still something that wants and longs for and maybe needs protection. And then there is raging compassion. So I have to use my sword, as I am a warrior, too. Love Stefan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2005 - Stefan Nisargadatta Wednesday, April 27, 2005 7:06 AM Re: When Judi Bounced Anna Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: >a gentle reminder, Stefan my love, >when there is nothing left to protect, >there is nothing left to defend.... > >All is music, even the apparent discordant notes.... > >love, > >anna Thank you very, very much, Anna. At the moment I look at it like this: people like W., attacking me in spite of the offerings I am giving them, are my enemies. Of course they are the enemies inside of me, inside of this ever adolescent realm called " Stefan " . Precious enemies that show me where there is still something that wants and longs for and maybe needs protection. And then there is raging compassion. So I have to use my sword, as I am a warrior, too. Love Stefan some words in the context of speaking with Anders: over my right shoulder, just past this moment, is the Before, what it was i remember as a nightmare in the lingering of love destructing itself in memories.... a cold grey prison of you and me, of saints and sinners... and I lay down my double-edged sword, a blinding goldness I had polished feverishly, fervently dispassionately, this obligatory creation this infinity of chaos this Lord and Master --myself at Your feet oh Jedi Knight Come over to This side with me and we'll climb newer mountains and swim newer oceans and walk newer paths in wonderment and curiosity--our new human bodies sprinkled with ashes of angels.. and words of sages.. anna ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > - > Stefan > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, April 27, 2005 7:06 AM > Re: When Judi Bounced Anna > > > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > >a gentle reminder, Stefan my love, > >when there is nothing left to protect, > >there is nothing left to defend.... > > > >All is music, even the apparent discordant notes.... > > > >love, > > > >anna > > Thank you very, very much, Anna. At the moment I look at it like this: > people like W., attacking me in spite of the offerings I am giving > them, are my enemies. Of course they are the enemies inside of me, > inside of this ever adolescent realm called " Stefan " . Precious enemies > that show me where there is still something that wants and longs for > and maybe needs protection. > > And then there is raging compassion. So I have to use my sword, as I > am a warrior, too. > > Love > Stefan > > > some words in the context of speaking with Anders: > > over my right shoulder, just past this moment, is the Before, > what it was i remember as a nightmare in the lingering of love > destructing itself in memories.... > a cold grey prison > > of you and me, of saints and sinners... > > and I lay down my double-edged sword, > a blinding goldness I had polished feverishly, fervently > dispassionately, > this obligatory creation > this infinity of chaos > this Lord and Master > --myself > at Your feet oh Jedi Knight > > Come over to This side > with me and we'll climb newer mountains and swim newer oceans > and walk newer paths > > in wonderment and curiosity--our > new human bodies sprinkled with ashes of angels.. > > and words of sages.. > > anna > I feel a deep gratitude for what you wrote to me, Anna. Love is the Eternal Guide. al. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Anna Ruiz " <nli10u@c...> wrote: > > >a gentle reminder, Stefan my love, > >when there is nothing left to protect, > >there is nothing left to defend.... > > > >All is music, even the apparent discordant notes.... > > > >love, > > > >anna > > Thank you very, very much, Anna. At the moment I look at it like this: > people like W., attacking me in spite of the offerings I am giving > them, are my enemies. Of course they are the enemies inside of me, > inside of this ever adolescent realm called " Stefan " . Precious enemies > that show me where there is still something that wants and longs for > and maybe needs protection. > > And then there is raging compassion. So I have to use my sword, as I > am a warrior, too. > > Love > Stefan Warriors never tell you they are warriors. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2005 Well,I was just trying to say,that You can never get OUT of Meditation! Every Thought is Great Wisdom All we see is Mandala Every sound is Mantra So,the feeling of Isolation,You were talking about - that leads me to childishly want love and demand attention from others - that feeling is a MYTH! - It has no roots in REALITY Having realized that,You can do whatever You want in this world,You can do no wrong,You might even fall in love with somebody and fool around in so many ways - But You'll never get fooled again.............. Flemming Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hey Little Boy, > > What are your speaking of ? I haven't got it. > > The only I understood was that you are a little boy and you are full > of shit or love or something like that and that you fell in love with > Houdini. > > Is it possible for you to calm down and write one or two orderly > sentences ? > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 " > <Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote: > > > > Mr.Werner Woehr wrote > > > > > > " The cause of isolation is the need and longing for " love " which > > is ok > > > for a child but not for an adult. Adults seeking love are ugly. " > > > > Oh,I'm just a poor,little boy constantly seeking LOVE! > > I seek Love – because i HAVE love > > I only seek what I already have > > Nah,they say that not even Eternity could > > Hold Houdini – and likewise the > > Chains of Enlightenment could never hold > > absolute ambitious attraction! > > the Self is helplessly in love with the Self > > Hey,You Guys are flying much too high for me > > too early Canonization might lead to Zanonization > > Let me take you down………………… > > Vibes, > > Flemming (who's somewhat attached to the only > > two books worth reading, " I Am That " and " The Gospel of Sri > > Ramakrishna " ) > > > > PS – Well,ehh – No Offense Meant! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 " <Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote: > > Well,I was just trying to say,that > You can never get OUT of Meditation! > Every Thought is Great Wisdom > All we see is Mandala > Every sound is Mantra > > So,the feeling of Isolation,You were talking about > - that leads me to childishly want love and demand attention > from others - that feeling is a MYTH! - It has no roots > in REALITY > > Having realized that,You can do whatever You want > in this world,You can do no wrong,You might even fall in love > with somebody and fool around in so many ways > - But You'll never get fooled again.............. > Flemming Swing................................................ ..................and a miss. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 " <Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote: > > > > Well,I was just trying to say,that > > You can never get OUT of Meditation! > > Every Thought is Great Wisdom > > All we see is Mandala > > Every sound is Mantra > > > > So,the feeling of Isolation,You were talking about > > - that leads me to childishly want love and demand attention > > from others - that feeling is a MYTH! - It has no roots > > in REALITY > > > > Having realized that,You can do whatever You want > > in this world,You can do no wrong,You might even fall in love > > with somebody and fool around in so many ways > > - But You'll never get fooled again.............. > > Flemming > > > > > Swing................................................ > > > > > > .................and a miss. > > > > toombaru Yes,Miss World that is - She Belongs to me She's an Artist,She don't look back Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2005 - yogidahl2000 Nisargadatta Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:17 PM Re: When Judi Bounced Anna Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 " <Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote: > > > > Well,I was just trying to say,that > > You can never get OUT of Meditation! > > Every Thought is Great Wisdom > > All we see is Mandala > > Every sound is Mantra > > > > So,the feeling of Isolation,You were talking about > > - that leads me to childishly want love and demand attention > > from others - that feeling is a MYTH! - It has no roots > > in REALITY > > > > Having realized that,You can do whatever You want > > in this world,You can do no wrong,You might even fall in love > > with somebody and fool around in so many ways > > - But You'll never get fooled again.............. > > Flemming > > > > > Swing................................................ > > > > > > .................and a miss. > > > > toombaru Yes,Miss World that is - She Belongs to me She's an Artist,She don't look back hmm, and where is Miss Universe, you 'deserve' at least that:)) and She doesn't look forward either... And lately I hear mandala and see Mantra, strange... anna ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 27, 2005 > > Swing................................................ > > > > > > > > > > > > .................and a miss. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Yes,Miss World that is - She Belongs to me > She's an Artist,She don't look back > > > hmm, and where is Miss Universe, you 'deserve' at least that:)) and She > doesn't look forward either... > > And lately I hear mandala and see Mantra, strange... > > anna Yeah,that Happened to Arthur Rimbaud I is Another we could be Andy Warhol,You and I we're strange posters,still the FACTS are FRIENDLY Flemming > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 2005 Hi Fleming, Thanks for translating yout former reply into a language an old man can understand. You are so right, once that feeling of isolation has dissolved your circles within you can move will increase tremendously. There is one point left which we maybe could go on on discussing: Is isolation really a myth ? Is fear a myth, or joy, or falling in love ? Werner Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 " <Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote: > > Well,I was just trying to say,that > You can never get OUT of Meditation! > Every Thought is Great Wisdom > All we see is Mandala > Every sound is Mantra > > So,the feeling of Isolation,You were talking about > - that leads me to childishly want love and demand attention > from others - that feeling is a MYTH! - It has no roots > in REALITY > > Having realized that,You can do whatever You want > in this world,You can do no wrong,You might even fall in love > with somebody and fool around in so many ways > - But You'll never get fooled again.............. > Flemming > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hey Little Boy, > > > > What are your speaking of ? I haven't got it. > > > > The only I understood was that you are a little boy and you are > full > > of shit or love or something like that and that you fell in love > with > > Houdini. > > > > Is it possible for you to calm down and write one or two orderly > > sentences ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 " > > <Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Mr.Werner Woehr wrote > > > > > > > > " The cause of isolation is the need and longing for " love " > which > > > is ok > > > > for a child but not for an adult. Adults seeking love are > ugly. " > > > > > > Oh,I'm just a poor,little boy constantly seeking LOVE! > > > I seek Love – because i HAVE love > > > I only seek what I already have > > > Nah,they say that not even Eternity could > > > Hold Houdini – and likewise the > > > Chains of Enlightenment could never hold > > > absolute ambitious attraction! > > > the Self is helplessly in love with the Self > > > Hey,You Guys are flying much too high for me > > > too early Canonization might lead to Zanonization > > > Let me take you down………………… > > > Vibes, > > > Flemming (who's somewhat attached to the only > > > two books worth reading, " I Am That " and " The Gospel of Sri > > > Ramakrishna " ) > > > > > > PS – Well,ehh – No Offense Meant! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Hi Fleming, > > Thanks for translating yout former reply into a language an old man > can understand. > > You are so right, once that feeling of isolation has dissolved your > circles within you can move will increase tremendously. > > There is one point left which we maybe could go on on discussing: Is > isolation really a myth ? Is fear a myth, or joy, or falling in love ? > > Werner Hi Werner! Yes,we could discuss that,if Isolation is a myth?? My take on it,my innermost feeling about this,would be: Fear,Joy and falling in love are reactions of the mind,they are happenings within and for the mind,these are natural feelings (even if Fear is complicated,J.Krishnamurti would know) Isolation,on the other hand,is on a different level,isolation is not a genuine feeling,rather it's part of a belief system,cultural heritage,and really it's a criminal sociopath attitude,but it's constantly being legitimated by the surrounding society The uncritical belief in Isolation,as a factual existential order of things- this belief gives power to the rising FEELING of being isolated,it's nothing but a bad habit yet when thoroughly ingrained,the reality of this " feeling " is never being doubted,thus one is perpetuating suffering Well,that's how I see it – But please feel free to disagree! Vibes, Flemming Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 2005 Hi Fleming, There is nothing to disagree, I absolutely go with you. When one sees that society is the result of socialisation which is a child's efforts to overcome isolation and these efforts are to get accepted, to get comforted, to get approval etc, then in addition one sees society mainly is children playing in a sandpit having fun and taking away each other's toys with all those resulting fights and violence. Werner Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 " <Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > Hi Fleming, > > > > Thanks for translating yout former reply into a language an old > man > > can understand. > > > > You are so right, once that feeling of isolation has dissolved > your > > circles within you can move will increase tremendously. > > > > There is one point left which we maybe could go on on discussing: > Is > > isolation really a myth ? Is fear a myth, or joy, or falling in > love ? > > > > Werner > > Hi Werner! > Yes,we could discuss that,if Isolation is a myth?? > My take on it,my innermost feeling about this,would be: > Fear,Joy and falling in love are reactions of the mind,they > are happenings within and for the mind,these are natural > feelings (even if Fear is complicated,J.Krishnamurti would > know) > > Isolation,on the other hand,is on a different level,isolation > is not a genuine feeling,rather > it's part of a belief system,cultural heritage,and really it's a > criminal sociopath attitude,but it's constantly being > legitimated by the surrounding society > The uncritical belief in Isolation,as a factual existential > order of things- this belief gives power to the rising > FEELING of being isolated,it's nothing but a bad habit > yet when thoroughly ingrained,the reality of this " feeling " > is never being doubted,thus one is perpetuating suffering > Well,that's how I see it – But please feel free to disagree! > Vibes, > Flemming Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Hi Fleming, > > There is nothing to disagree, I absolutely go with you. > > When one sees that society is the result of socialisation which is a > child's efforts to overcome isolation and these efforts are to get > accepted, to get comforted, to get approval etc, then in addition one > sees society mainly is children playing in a sandpit having fun and > taking away each other's toys with all those resulting fights and > violence. > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " yogidahl2000 " > <Dahl_flemming@h...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > Hi Fleming, > > > > > > Thanks for translating yout former reply into a language an old > > man > > > can understand. > > > > > > You are so right, once that feeling of isolation has dissolved > > your > > > circles within you can move will increase tremendously. > > > > > > There is one point left which we maybe could go on on discussing: > > Is > > > isolation really a myth ? Is fear a myth, or joy, or falling in > > love ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > Hi Werner! > > Yes,we could discuss that,if Isolation is a myth?? > > My take on it,my innermost feeling about this,would be: > > Fear,Joy and falling in love are reactions of the mind,they > > are happenings within and for the mind,these are natural > > feelings (even if Fear is complicated,J.Krishnamurti would > > know) > > > > Isolation,on the other hand,is on a different level,isolation > > is not a genuine feeling,rather > > it's part of a belief system,cultural heritage,and really it's a > > criminal sociopath attitude,but it's constantly being > > legitimated by the surrounding society > > The uncritical belief in Isolation,as a factual existential > > order of things- this belief gives power to the rising > > FEELING of being isolated,it's nothing but a bad habit > > yet when thoroughly ingrained,the reality of this " feeling " > > is never being doubted,thus one is perpetuating suffering > > Well,that's how I see it – But please feel free to disagree! > > Vibes, > > Flemming What if you saw " society " as a vast menemonic vibration emerging impersonally from within the arisen I amness? Boy........wouldn't THAT be sumthin? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
