Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes <chreiki3> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't deny it any longer. A person can 'nyeti-nyeti' themselves > > > > silly. I AM is all there is. It's sweet. Just be. That's all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well.......you can try. > > > > > .......................... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....another thirty.......forty years........you're outta here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > What's up, toombaru: > > > > > > > > You're still hung up on the body. That's the problem. You are not your > > > > body. The self is aware of the body. If you notice, you will see that > > > > you are aware of the body. Hence, you are not the body, but, the body > > > > is merely an activity, among many, that occurs in your awareness. It's > > > > the same with the mind. The body and the mind are essentially the > > > > same. Thought is a physiological process that occurs in the brain and > > > > nervous system. It is a bodily function. You are aware of all of this > > > > body-mind functioning, but, you are not this body-mind. You are the > > > > awareness of that. > > > > > > > > None of these " things " that you are aware of are You, the Self. You > > > > are simply the awareness in which all of these " things " occur. > > > > > > > > Identifying the Self with the body-mind is the biggest obstacle to > > > > self-realization. But, it can be overcome by earnestly and seriously > > > > seeing for yourself. Then, you will know without trying. > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fuzzie.................That's a load of crap. > > > > > > Egoic grandiosity.....gone amuck. > > > > > > > > > You gota stop reading that spiritual stuff. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > What's a load of crap? Do you mean the body-mind-ego? Well, I guess it > > could be portrayed as " a load of crap " in one sense, but, are you > > saying that my fallacy is all wrong? What gives? > > > > Yours, > > > > fuzzie > > > > fuzzie: " Identifying the Self with the body-mind is the biggest obstacle to > self-realization. But, it can be overcome by earnestly and seriously > seeing for yourself. Then, you will know without trying. " > > > > To whom is the above statement addressed? > > Are you talking to the assumed self? > > Are you assuming that this phantom can somehow become aware of itself? > > ...and then somehow transcend its own personal reality? > > > ...That the " self " is an autonomous entity that can learn about its true condition and > somehow benefit from that knowledge? > > > Are you saying that the " self " or " Self " are somehow separate form the body-mind?.....and > can somehow....through its own efforts ..reunite these separate " things " ? > > > toombaru Hi, toombaru: The Self is really just being. It's not the ego. The ego is something that is conditioned and is created more or less by societal constraints; a product of thought. The Self is the awareness of all that, of all " things " . Yours, fuzzie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes > <chreiki3> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't deny it any longer. A person can 'nyeti-nyeti' > themselves > > > > > silly. I AM is all there is. It's sweet. Just be. That's all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well.......you can try. > > > > > > .......................... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....another thirty.......forty years........you're outta here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's up, toombaru: > > > > > > > > > > You're still hung up on the body. That's the problem. You are > not your > > > > > body. The self is aware of the body. If you notice, you will > see that > > > > > you are aware of the body. Hence, you are not the body, but, > the body > > > > > is merely an activity, among many, that occurs in your > awareness. It's > > > > > the same with the mind. The body and the mind are essentially the > > > > > same. Thought is a physiological process that occurs in the > brain and > > > > > nervous system. It is a bodily function. You are aware of all > of this > > > > > body-mind functioning, but, you are not this body-mind. You > are the > > > > > awareness of that. > > > > > > > > > > None of these " things " that you are aware of are You, the > Self. You > > > > > are simply the awareness in which all of these " things " occur. > > > > > > > > > > Identifying the Self with the body-mind is the biggest obstacle to > > > > > self-realization. But, it can be overcome by earnestly and > seriously > > > > > seeing for yourself. Then, you will know without trying. > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fuzzie.................That's a load of crap. > > > > > > > > Egoic grandiosity.....gone amuck. > > > > > > > > > > > > You gota stop reading that spiritual stuff. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > What's a load of crap? Do you mean the body-mind-ego? Well, I guess it > > > could be portrayed as " a load of crap " in one sense, but, are you > > > saying that my fallacy is all wrong? What gives? > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > fuzzie: " Identifying the Self with the body-mind is the biggest > obstacle to > > self-realization. But, it can be overcome by earnestly and seriously > > seeing for yourself. Then, you will know without trying. " > > > > > > > > To whom is the above statement addressed? > > > > Are you talking to the assumed self? > > > > Are you assuming that this phantom can somehow become aware of itself? > > > > ...and then somehow transcend its own personal reality? > > > > > > ...That the " self " is an autonomous entity that can learn about its > true condition and > > somehow benefit from that knowledge? > > > > > > Are you saying that the " self " or " Self " are somehow separate form > the body-mind?.....and > > can somehow....through its own efforts ..reunite these separate > " things " ? > > > > > > toombaru > > Hi, toombaru: > > The Self is really just being. It's not the ego. The ego is something > that is conditioned and is created more or less by societal > constraints; a product of thought. The Self is the awareness of all > that, of all " things " . > > Yours, > > fuzzie The " Self " is an attempt by the self to define its assumed personal reality. The " I am " assumption searching for its own origin......imagines something beyond its personal reality.....something BIG.....something that created it. Some call this..... " God " ......some call it " Self " .... Both are downstream from I am. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes <chreiki3> > wrote: > > BINGO. > > love > > c > > > > fuzzie_wuz <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > snip > > > > > > It's so simple, that, it is hard to understand. There is > existence. Existence is the awareness that there is existence. That > is all there is: Being-awareness; I AM. Everything else is just > effluvia. > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > fuzzie > > It's even simpler. > > There's much less to it than that. > > > Dan Hi, Dan: Yep. I know what you're saying. But, as long as we are sign making animals, we can only communicate through these less than perfect sign systems, i.e. languages. Yours, fuzzie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes <chreiki3> wrote: > > BINGO. > > love > > c > > > > fuzzie_wuz <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > snip > > > > > > It's so simple, that, it is hard to understand. There is existence. Existence is the awareness that there is existence. That is all there is: Being-awareness; I AM. Everything else is just effluvia. > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > ..there is nothing else...... > > > toombaru You are something else..... fuzzie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes <chreiki3> > > > wrote: > > > > BINGO. > > > > love > > > > c > > > > > > > > fuzzie_wuz <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > > It's so simple, that, it is hard to understand. There is > > > existence. Existence is the awareness that there is existence. That > > > is all there is: Being-awareness; I AM. Everything else is just > > > effluvia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > It's even simpler. > > > > > > There's much less to it than that. > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > Hi, Dan: > > > > Yep. I know what you're saying. But, as long as we are sign making > > animals, we can only communicate through these less than perfect sign > > systems, i.e. languages. > > > > Yours, > > > > fuzzie > > > > Fuzzie, > > > As long as there is a belief that there is a " we " that is origin of communication...... > > > All is lost. > > > toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes <chreiki3> > wrote: > > > BINGO. > > > love > > > c > > > > > > fuzzie_wuz <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > It's so simple, that, it is hard to understand. There is > existence. Existence is the awareness that there is existence. That is > all there is: Being-awareness; I AM. Everything else is just effluvia. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..there is nothing else...... > > > > > > toombaru > > > You are something else..... > > fuzzie>> So are you, fuzzman! Ha Ha!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes > > <chreiki3> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't deny it any longer. A person can 'nyeti-nyeti' > > themselves > > > > > > silly. I AM is all there is. It's sweet. Just be. That's all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well.......you can try. > > > > > > > .......................... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....another thirty.......forty years........you're outta here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's up, toombaru: > > > > > > > > > > > > You're still hung up on the body. That's the problem. You are > > not your > > > > > > body. The self is aware of the body. If you notice, you will > > see that > > > > > > you are aware of the body. Hence, you are not the body, but, > > the body > > > > > > is merely an activity, among many, that occurs in your > > awareness. It's > > > > > > the same with the mind. The body and the mind are essentially the > > > > > > same. Thought is a physiological process that occurs in the > > brain and > > > > > > nervous system. It is a bodily function. You are aware of all > > of this > > > > > > body-mind functioning, but, you are not this body-mind. You > > are the > > > > > > awareness of that. > > > > > > > > > > > > None of these " things " that you are aware of are You, the > > Self. You > > > > > > are simply the awareness in which all of these " things " occur. > > > > > > > > > > > > Identifying the Self with the body-mind is the biggest obstacle to > > > > > > self-realization. But, it can be overcome by earnestly and > > seriously > > > > > > seeing for yourself. Then, you will know without trying. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fuzzie.................That's a load of crap. > > > > > > > > > > Egoic grandiosity.....gone amuck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You gota stop reading that spiritual stuff. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > What's a load of crap? Do you mean the body-mind-ego? Well, I guess it > > > > could be portrayed as " a load of crap " in one sense, but, are you > > > > saying that my fallacy is all wrong? What gives? > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie: " Identifying the Self with the body-mind is the biggest > > obstacle to > > > self-realization. But, it can be overcome by earnestly and seriously > > > seeing for yourself. Then, you will know without trying. " > > > > > > > > > > > > To whom is the above statement addressed? > > > > > > Are you talking to the assumed self? > > > > > > Are you assuming that this phantom can somehow become aware of itself? > > > > > > ...and then somehow transcend its own personal reality? > > > > > > > > > ...That the " self " is an autonomous entity that can learn about its > > true condition and > > > somehow benefit from that knowledge? > > > > > > > > > Are you saying that the " self " or " Self " are somehow separate form > > the body-mind?.....and > > > can somehow....through its own efforts ..reunite these separate > > " things " ? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Hi, toombaru: > > > > The Self is really just being. It's not the ego. The ego is something > > that is conditioned and is created more or less by societal > > constraints; a product of thought. The Self is the awareness of all > > that, of all " things " . > > > > Yours, > > > > fuzzie > > > > The " Self " is an attempt by the self to define its assumed personal reality. > > > The " I am " assumption searching for its own origin......imagines something beyond its personal reality.....something BIG.....something that created it. > > Some call this..... " God " ......some call it " Self " .... > > > Both are downstream from I am. > > > > > > toombaru Says who? fuzzie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes <chreiki3> > > > > wrote: > > > > > BINGO. > > > > > love > > > > > c > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie_wuz <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's so simple, that, it is hard to understand. There is > > > > existence. Existence is the awareness that there is existence. That > > > > is all there is: Being-awareness; I AM. Everything else is just > > > > effluvia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > It's even simpler. > > > > > > > > There's much less to it than that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > Hi, Dan: > > > > > > Yep. I know what you're saying. But, as long as we are sign making > > > animals, we can only communicate through these less than perfect sign > > > systems, i.e. languages. > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > Fuzzie, > > > > > > As long as there is a belief that there is a " we " that is origin of communication...... > > > > > > All is lost. > > > > > > toombaru Who can be " lost " ? I thought you said nobody exists? If nobody exists, then, who can be " lost " ? Since you don't exist, what are you doing on here? You are blowing your cover by posting on this forum, toombaru. fuzzie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " > <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes > <chreiki3> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > BINGO. > > > > > > love > > > > > > c > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie_wuz <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's so simple, that, it is hard to understand. There is > > > > > existence. Existence is the awareness that there is existence. > That > > > > > is all there is: Being-awareness; I AM. Everything else is just > > > > > effluvia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > It's even simpler. > > > > > > > > > > There's much less to it than that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Dan: > > > > > > > > Yep. I know what you're saying. But, as long as we are sign making > > > > animals, we can only communicate through these less than perfect > sign > > > > systems, i.e. languages. > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > Fuzzie, > > > > > > > > > As long as there is a belief that there is a " we " that is origin > of communication...... > > > > > > > > > All is lost. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Who can be " lost " ? I thought you said nobody exists? If nobody exists, > then, who can be " lost " ? Since you don't exist, what are you doing on > here? You are blowing your cover by posting on this forum, toombaru. > > > > fuzzie Fuzzie, The sentence " All is lost " ........means that The Allness is lost in the particulars that mind creates. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes <chreiki3> > > wrote: > > > BINGO. > > > love > > > c > > > > > > fuzzie_wuz <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > It's so simple, that, it is hard to understand. There is > > existence. Existence is the awareness that there is existence. That > > is all there is: Being-awareness; I AM. Everything else is just > > effluvia. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > It's even simpler. > > > > There's much less to it than that. > > > > > > Dan > > > Hi, Dan: > > Yep. I know what you're saying. But, as long as we are sign making > animals, we can only communicate through these less than perfect sign > systems, i.e. languages. > > Yours, > > fuzzie Hey, Fuzzie - You're using the same sign over and over, like it really must mean a lot to you! Do you know how to write in running water? -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " > > <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes > > <chreiki3> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > BINGO. > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > c > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie_wuz <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's so simple, that, it is hard to understand. There is > > > > > > existence. Existence is the awareness that there is existence. > > That > > > > > > is all there is: Being-awareness; I AM. Everything else is just > > > > > > effluvia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > It's even simpler. > > > > > > > > > > > > There's much less to it than that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Dan: > > > > > > > > > > Yep. I know what you're saying. But, as long as we are sign making > > > > > animals, we can only communicate through these less than perfect > > sign > > > > > systems, i.e. languages. > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fuzzie, > > > > > > > > > > > > As long as there is a belief that there is a " we " that is origin > > of communication...... > > > > > > > > > > > > All is lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Who can be " lost " ? I thought you said nobody exists? If nobody exists, > > then, who can be " lost " ? Since you don't exist, what are you doing on > > here? You are blowing your cover by posting on this forum, toombaru. > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > Fuzzie, > > > The sentence " All is lost " ........means that The Allness is lost in the particulars that mind > creates. > > > > toombaru Just don't create the particulars in your mind and then nothing will be lost. The Allness is a given. Let it be. Peace, fuzzie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes > <chreiki3> > > > wrote: > > > > BINGO. > > > > love > > > > c > > > > > > > > fuzzie_wuz <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > > It's so simple, that, it is hard to understand. There is > > > existence. Existence is the awareness that there is existence. > That > > > is all there is: Being-awareness; I AM. Everything else is just > > > effluvia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > It's even simpler. > > > > > > There's much less to it than that. > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > Hi, Dan: > > > > Yep. I know what you're saying. But, as long as we are sign making > > animals, we can only communicate through these less than perfect > sign > > systems, i.e. languages. > > > > Yours, > > > > fuzzie > > Hey, Fuzzie - > > You're using the same sign over and over, like it really > must mean a lot to you! > > Do you know how to write in running water? > > -- Dan I barely no how to write in standing water. But, what's the answer to your riddle? I am waiting for the punchline. Anticipatingly (sic) yours, fuzzie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " > > > <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes > > > <chreiki3> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > BINGO. > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > c > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie_wuz <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's so simple, that, it is hard to understand. There is > > > > > > > existence. Existence is the awareness that there is existence. > > > That > > > > > > > is all there is: Being-awareness; I AM. Everything else is > just > > > > > > > effluvia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's even simpler. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's much less to it than that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Dan: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep. I know what you're saying. But, as long as we are sign > making > > > > > > animals, we can only communicate through these less than perfect > > > sign > > > > > > systems, i.e. languages. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fuzzie, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As long as there is a belief that there is a " we " that is origin > > > of communication...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All is lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Who can be " lost " ? I thought you said nobody exists? If nobody exists, > > > then, who can be " lost " ? Since you don't exist, what are you doing on > > > here? You are blowing your cover by posting on this forum, toombaru. > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > Fuzzie, > > > > > > The sentence " All is lost " ........means that The Allness is lost in > the particulars that mind > > creates. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Just don't create the particulars in your mind and then nothing will > be lost. The Allness is a given. Let it be. > > Peace, > > fuzzie The particulars are the byproduct and backbone of mind. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " > <fuzzie_wuz> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " > > > > <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > > <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes > > > > <chreiki3> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > BINGO. > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > c > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie_wuz <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's so simple, that, it is hard to understand. > There is > > > > > > > > existence. Existence is the awareness that there is > existence. > > > > That > > > > > > > > is all there is: Being-awareness; I AM. Everything > else is > > just > > > > > > > > effluvia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's even simpler. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's much less to it than that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Dan: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep. I know what you're saying. But, as long as we are > sign > > making > > > > > > > animals, we can only communicate through these less than > perfect > > > > sign > > > > > > > systems, i.e. languages. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fuzzie, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As long as there is a belief that there is a " we " that is > origin > > > > of communication...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All is lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > Who can be " lost " ? I thought you said nobody exists? If nobody > exists, > > > > then, who can be " lost " ? Since you don't exist, what are you > doing on > > > > here? You are blowing your cover by posting on this forum, > toombaru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fuzzie, > > > > > > > > > The sentence " All is lost " ........means that The Allness is lost > in > > the particulars that mind > > > creates. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Just don't create the particulars in your mind and then nothing > will > > be lost. The Allness is a given. Let it be. > > > > Peace, > > > > fuzzie > > > > The particulars are the byproduct and backbone of mind. > > > toombaru Forget about the particulars. Just be. fuzzie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " > > <fuzzie_wuz> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " > > <cptc@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " > > > > > <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > > > <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes > > > > > <chreiki3> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > BINGO. > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > c > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie_wuz <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's so simple, that, it is hard to understand. > > There is > > > > > > > > > existence. Existence is the awareness that there is > > existence. > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > is all there is: Being-awareness; I AM. Everything > > else is > > > just > > > > > > > > > effluvia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's even simpler. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's much less to it than that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Dan: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep. I know what you're saying. But, as long as we are > > sign > > > making > > > > > > > > animals, we can only communicate through these less than > > perfect > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > systems, i.e. languages. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fuzzie, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As long as there is a belief that there is a " we " that is > > origin > > > > > of communication...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All is lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who can be " lost " ? I thought you said nobody exists? If nobody > > exists, > > > > > then, who can be " lost " ? Since you don't exist, what are you > > doing on > > > > > here? You are blowing your cover by posting on this forum, > > toombaru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fuzzie, > > > > > > > > > > > > The sentence " All is lost " ........means that The Allness is lost > > in > > > the particulars that mind > > > > creates. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Just don't create the particulars in your mind and then nothing > > will > > > be lost. The Allness is a given. Let it be. > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > fuzzie > > > > > > > > The particulars are the byproduct and backbone of mind. > > > > > > toombaru > > > Forget about the particulars. > > Just be. > > fuzzie Being is within the particular. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes <chreiki3> > wrote: > > > > > > I can't deny it any longer. A person can 'nyeti-nyeti' themselves > silly. I AM is all there is. It's sweet. Just be. That's all. > > > > > > > > > > > Well.......you can try. > > .......................... > > > > > > but: > > > > > > ....another thirty.......forty years........you're outta here. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > What's up, toombaru: > > You're still hung up on the body. That's the problem. You are not your > body. The self is aware of the body. If you notice, you will see that > you are aware of the body. Hence, you are not the body, but, the body > is merely an activity, among many, that occurs in your awareness. It's > the same with the mind. The body and the mind are essentially the > same. Thought is a physiological process that occurs in the brain and > nervous system. It is a bodily function. You are aware of all of this > body-mind functioning, but, you are not this body-mind. You are the > awareness of that. > > None of these " things " that you are aware of are You, the Self. You > are simply the awareness in which all of these " things " occur. > > Identifying the Self with the body-mind is the biggest obstacle to > self-realization. But, it can be overcome by earnestly and seriously > seeing for yourself. Then, you will know without trying. > > Yours, > > fuzzie ** Conceptually isolating " awareness " is another identifying, another strategy. It's not separable, nor ultimate; there are no knowable ultimates. Thinking, speaking, perceiving, sensing, etc. dualistically " create " impressions, virtual-like energies, which immediately and simultaneously dissolve, along with the (inferred) aware-ing of them. All movements return to rest, including all the repetitive emoting about " awareness " in contemporary spiritual circles. Actually, nothing 'occurs,' nothing happens, nothing is 'realized.' The non-conceptual, non-realizable totality just *is* -- uncreated and unformed, unconditional and unconditioned. There is only that, not " we " who are that. On the other hand, being serious and earnest about apparent motivations IS en-lightening. Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 22, 2005 - kenj02001 Nisargadatta Friday, April 22, 2005 2:09 AM Re: Niz's teaching / Fuzzy Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes <chreiki3> > wrote: > > > > > > I can't deny it any longer. A person can 'nyeti-nyeti' themselves > silly. I AM is all there is. It's sweet. Just be. That's all. > > > > > > > > > > > Well.......you can try. > > .......................... > > > > > > but: > > > > > > ....another thirty.......forty years........you're outta here. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > What's up, toombaru: > > You're still hung up on the body. That's the problem. You are not your > body. The self is aware of the body. If you notice, you will see that > you are aware of the body. Hence, you are not the body, but, the body > is merely an activity, among many, that occurs in your awareness. It's > the same with the mind. The body and the mind are essentially the > same. Thought is a physiological process that occurs in the brain and > nervous system. It is a bodily function. You are aware of all of this > body-mind functioning, but, you are not this body-mind. You are the > awareness of that. > > None of these " things " that you are aware of are You, the Self. You > are simply the awareness in which all of these " things " occur. > > Identifying the Self with the body-mind is the biggest obstacle to > self-realization. But, it can be overcome by earnestly and seriously > seeing for yourself. Then, you will know without trying. > > Yours, > > fuzzie ** Conceptually isolating " awareness " is another identifying, another strategy. It's not separable, nor ultimate; there are no knowable ultimates. Thinking, speaking, perceiving, sensing, etc. dualistically " create " impressions, virtual-like energies, which immediately and simultaneously dissolve, along with the (inferred) aware-ing of them. All movements return to rest, including all the repetitive emoting about " awareness " in contemporary spiritual circles. Actually, nothing 'occurs,' nothing happens, nothing is 'realized.' The non-conceptual, non-realizable totality just *is* -- uncreated and unformed, unconditional and unconditioned. There is only that, not " we " who are that. On the other hand, being serious and earnest about apparent motivations IS en-lightening. Ken close Ken, no cigar, This *Is* is who we are. Never was any other way. Just that 'we' saw not. Everything else is just 'motivation' keeping One locked in 'un-seeing'. Unless Ken sees this from experience all are just words about, without meaning, a parroting. Why would there be such a thing as Being if there would not be such a thing as Knowing? Love, Anna ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 22, 2005 Nisargadatta , " kenj02001 " <kenj02001> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fuzzie_wuz " <fuzzie_wuz> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Charlie Hayes > <chreiki3> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I can't deny it any longer. A person can 'nyeti-nyeti' > themselves > > silly. I AM is all there is. It's sweet. Just be. That's all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well.......you can try. > > > .......................... > > > > > > > > > but: > > > > > > > > > ....another thirty.......forty years........you're outta here. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > What's up, toombaru: > > > > You're still hung up on the body. That's the problem. You are not > your > > body. The self is aware of the body. If you notice, you will see > that > > you are aware of the body. Hence, you are not the body, but, the > body > > is merely an activity, among many, that occurs in your awareness. > It's > > the same with the mind. The body and the mind are essentially the > > same. Thought is a physiological process that occurs in the brain > and > > nervous system. It is a bodily function. You are aware of all of > this > > body-mind functioning, but, you are not this body-mind. You are the > > awareness of that. > > > > None of these " things " that you are aware of are You, the Self. You > > are simply the awareness in which all of these " things " occur. > > > > Identifying the Self with the body-mind is the biggest obstacle to > > self-realization. But, it can be overcome by earnestly and > seriously > > seeing for yourself. Then, you will know without trying. > > > > Yours, > > > > fuzzie > > ** Conceptually isolating " awareness " is another > identifying, another strategy. It's not separable, nor > ultimate; there are no knowable ultimates. Thinking, speaking, > perceiving, sensing, etc. dualistically " create " impressions, > virtual-like energies, which immediately and simultaneously > dissolve, along with the (inferred) aware-ing of > them. All movements return to rest, including all the repetitive > emoting about " awareness " in contemporary spiritual circles. > > Actually, nothing 'occurs,' nothing happens, nothing > is 'realized.' > The non-conceptual, non-realizable totality just *is* -- > uncreated and unformed, unconditional and unconditioned. > There is only that, not " we " who are that. > > On the other hand, being serious and earnest about > apparent motivations IS en-lightening. > > Ken Indeed, Kenji: Agreed. Yours, fuzzie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
