Guest guest Report post Posted February 24, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > >On the other hand, one who believes that memories and consciousness > >would survive death, has not had that experience, and is only hoping > >for emotional reasons. ********************************** Pete! Krishna in the Gita teaches that yes, after death, the person, or consciousness leave the body and go elsewhere. e.g Heaven etc. Reincarnation comes from Krishna teachings and the Vedas etc. So you are saying that after physical death everything is finished! Only the external is true. e.g the physical body not the Ego or person. What are your coulors friend. You have none? and you are going to die. And you are calm knowing there is nothing more than false theories. You don't believe in faith, in nothing. It looks like existentialism. Jean Paul Sartre: The existentialist...thinks it very distressing that God does not exist, because all possibility of finding values in a heaven of ideas disappears along with Him; there can no longer be a priori of God, since there is no infinite and perfect consciousness to think it. Nowhere is it written that the Good exists, that we must be honest, that we must not lie; because the fact is that we are on a plane where there are only men. Dostoyevsky said, If God didn't exist, everything would be possible. That is the very starting point of existentialism. Indeed, everything is permissible if God does not exist, and as a result man is forlorn, because neither within him nor without does he find anything to cling to. --Jean Paul Sartre Odysseus: Spiritual Masters would never approve Existentialism. Even if you call God the Self or the One etc. That doesn't mean that He doesn't exist. Your life it self is the prof of his existence. Krishna says that after physical death we go elsewhere. I say so too. The consiousness cannot die. Because it never been born! Ramana Maharshi says words like thoses. I say them too! Your investigation about the human nature has not reached his peak yet and you, yourself, stopped your own progress. But I know you don't care you already taken position. Even if master Nis says that we shouldn't take a position because we can be stuck with that particular position or belief. Where are you friend? You hide form others and from yourself. Why do I tell you all this? Simply because you say things to others that are not tuned with the Masters teachings. And your beliefs seems to be the same as the others but you seem to say that you don't believe in nothing. etc. Well for me you seem a lot. Well you seem to much I would say. And of course I don't expect you to answer any of the real questions asked form anyone because you would reveals too much of your vulnerability etc. What can I add to this! Well that you are a good person preparing him self to die honorably! Which is a good thing. Don't take this posting as an attack but as a healthy opposition to your own created belief. You are much far away form the Masters teachings, so I wonder, Where are you? Love Odysseus, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 24, 2005 In a message dated 2/23/05 10:07:55 PM, kipalmazy writes: > Lewis & Pete, > > > >Mr. Cerosoul hasn't yet come to terms with the " unconscious-thingy " > Nisargadatta spoke about. He, Pete, believes in an > >eternal " unconscious of itself " . > P: Lack of consciousness has no qualia, no content. Unconsciousness is no different in a dead man than in a rock, or a dead lizard. I don't believe this, but it's a distinct, very logical possibility. I entertain many possibilities, but reject all beliefs, except that Lacan is my personal savior and Kip is his true prophet ) > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2005 In a message dated 2/24/05 8:10:59 AM, ilikezen2004 writes: > >Pete! Krishna in the Gita teaches that yes, after death, the person, > or consciousness leave the body and go elsewhere. e.g Heaven etc. > >Alb:Reincarnation comes from Krishna teachings and the Vedas etc. So you > are saying that after physical death everything is finished! > Only the external is true. e.g the physical body not the Ego or > >person. What are your coulors friend. You have none? and you are > going to die. And you are calm knowing there is nothing more than > false theories. You don't believe in faith, in nothing. It looks > >like existentialism. > Hi Alberto, P: It's OK for you to believe what you believe now. You, will outgrow those beliefs one day, and get others, and even one day, maybe need none, as some here do. It's for those who have no need for any assurances of survival, and for those who are ready to drop all such hopes that I write. I understand that what I write makes believers very uneasy, like watching someone walk on a high wire without a net. What I write may seem like existentialism to you, but not to me. I don't say there is no God. I say, any idea, any experience anyone might have about God, is not God. There is no direct or indirect knowledge of God, everything you can read about God in holy books are poetic stories about other people's experiences. It's like reading a menu, it could never fill you up. They are alright for beginners, but ideas about God must eventually be left behind. Before Alberto was conceived there was no knowledge of Alberto anywhere. Out of that complete not knowing, perception appeared, and after a few months those perceptions began to call themselves Alberto, and the knowledge of an Alberto grew with each passing month and years until, today, those memories color every new perception with an identity. That identity born out of memories will not survive after death in any way, but as long as bodies with brains are born there will be perceptions and a sense of self. I don't even need that small consolation. I'm with Nis all the way. He called consciousness the disease, and the cause of all suffering. The absolute, he said, is beyond even that. > > > > ALB: > What can I add to this! Well, that you are a good person preparing > him self to die honorably! Which is a good thing. > P: LOL, Alberto, honor? Honor-great respect, high public regard. I don't care for that in life, much less in death. What good will that do? If I could be granted a wish about my death it would be that it won't cause any suffering for those I love, and that they will quickly adjust to live on without me. The name Nagarjuna is greatly honored, but does that benefit a person called Nagarjuna? Of course not, the person is gone, and only thoughts committed to paper survive. Best to you, Pete > > Don't take this posting as an attack but as a healthy opposition to > your own created belief. You are much far away form the Masters > teachings, so I wonder, Where are you? > > Love > Odysseus, > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > ... > > > > > > I understand what you think about collapsing wave wave function. > > > > > > I would like to know your simple experience. > > > > > > When I experience the computer monitor, Anders, it does not change > > > shape. I measured it several times. I do not know how the monitor > > > retains its shape by looking at it, touching it, smelling it, > listening > > > to it, or tasting it in other ways that I experience it. The > experience > > > of it in this way gives no idea how it appears as it does. The > > > appearance is there and it is there as it is. Do you experience this, > > > Anders? > > > > > > Lewis > > > > Interesting kind of observation you mention. I don't quite know what > > you mean, but I get the idea of to somehow taste the changelessness of > > objects; a kind of directness of experiencing the world. And that > > directness leaves no room for objective measurements, which would only > > pollute the directness. > > > > /AL > > It seems to me Anders that experience with the five senses and other > senses of the appearances does not provide information that tells > about it. So that every appearance is a mystery. It exists and that is > the initial experience. Then there is wonder or not about an > appearance and wonder leads to examination and discovery and > experimentation, description, definition, explanations, stories, use > and preference and the like. So the initial state > is ignorance. > > Then there is all the rest, the complexity as you call it, when there > is more than an initial response to an experience. If we experience a > rabid dog or violent person we have different initial experiences and > all of what is undergone can be that of ignorance, not knowing what is > going on with the appearances in fornt of us or with the experience > undergone. That is, the reactions that emerge when undergoing an > experience of a rabid dog or violent person. We have initial ignorance > then we label and describe to ourselves or have others describe us and > so forth and we come to identify all with these labels, descriptions, > explanations, etc which are secondary to the initial ignorance. So > there is the computer monitor as an initial experience that is primary > and then there are all the explanations, identifications etc. that > follow. > > There is nothing polluting about objective measurements or any sort of > measurement. It is something done and has its uses. If one measures > wrongly and believes that the measurement is correct then there are > consequences. Improper measurement in construction, aerospace, > pharmacy, medicine, and so on has consequences. Other sorts of > thinking and doing has its consequences as well. > > I was interested in the items you had in your initial experience that > allowed you to think of quantum mechanics in relation to a computer > monitor that does not change shape. > > Lewis Yes, finding meaning to what is experienced is not polluting that experience. However, when interpretations are made from the past in too large extent, then we can call it pollution. The ideal would be to have direct experience and meaning at the same time. A sort of harmony and clarity. Ultimately there would perhaps be possible to have directness of experience with past knowledge and memories only come into play when approriate. I feel that my past and my " me " is often a cloud that hinders this directness. As Eckhart Tolle said: when you walk in a forest you don't need to remember your past........you don't even need to remember your name..........don't worry.........you will still know your name when needed... As it is for me, my past is always hanging over me as a burden. I am very interested in finding that state of awareness Tolle and others talk about. Another spiritual teacher, Catherine Ingram, talked about awareness as having a bright quality, and that being present is to be comfortable within one's own skin. /AL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2005 anders_lindman wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > >>Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " >><anders_lindman> wrote: >> >>>Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: >>> >>>... >>> >>>>I understand what you think about collapsing wave wave function. >>>> >>>>I would like to know your simple experience. >>>> >>>>When I experience the computer monitor, Anders, it does not change >>>>shape. I measured it several times. I do not know how the monitor >>>>retains its shape by looking at it, touching it, smelling it, >>> >>listening >> >>>>to it, or tasting it in other ways that I experience it. The >>> >>experience >> >>>>of it in this way gives no idea how it appears as it does. The >>>>appearance is there and it is there as it is. Do you experience >>> > this, > >>>>Anders? >>>> >>>>Lewis >>> >>>Interesting kind of observation you mention. I don't quite know what >>>you mean, but I get the idea of to somehow taste the changelessness of >>>objects; a kind of directness of experiencing the world. And that >>>directness leaves no room for objective measurements, which would only >>>pollute the directness. >>> >>>/AL >> >>It seems to me Anders that experience with the five senses and other >>senses of the appearances does not provide information that tells >>about it. So that every appearance is a mystery. It exists and that is >>the initial experience. Then there is wonder or not about an >>appearance and wonder leads to examination and discovery and >>experimentation, description, definition, explanations, stories, use >>and preference and the like. So the initial state >>is ignorance. >> >>Then there is all the rest, the complexity as you call it, when there >>is more than an initial response to an experience. If we experience a >>rabid dog or violent person we have different initial experiences and >>all of what is undergone can be that of ignorance, not knowing what is >>going on with the appearances in fornt of us or with the experience >>undergone. That is, the reactions that emerge when undergoing an >>experience of a rabid dog or violent person. We have initial ignorance >>then we label and describe to ourselves or have others describe us and >>so forth and we come to identify all with these labels, descriptions, >>explanations, etc which are secondary to the initial ignorance. So >>there is the computer monitor as an initial experience that is primary >>and then there are all the explanations, identifications etc. that >>follow. >> >>There is nothing polluting about objective measurements or any sort of >>measurement. It is something done and has its uses. If one measures >>wrongly and believes that the measurement is correct then there are >>consequences. Improper measurement in construction, aerospace, >>pharmacy, medicine, and so on has consequences. Other sorts of >>thinking and doing has its consequences as well. >> >>I was interested in the items you had in your initial experience that >>allowed you to think of quantum mechanics in relation to a computer >>monitor that does not change shape. >> >>Lewis > > > Yes, finding meaning to what is experienced is not polluting that > experience. However, when interpretations are made from the past in > too large extent, then we can call it pollution. The ideal would be to > have direct experience and meaning at the same time. A sort of harmony > and clarity. Ultimately there would perhaps be possible to have > directness of experience with past knowledge and memories only come > into play when approriate. I feel that my past and my " me " is often a > cloud that hinders this directness. > > As Eckhart Tolle said: when you walk in a forest you don't need to > remember your past........you don't even need to remember your > name..........don't worry.........you will still know your name when > needed... > > As it is for me, my past is always hanging over me as a burden. I am > very interested in finding that state of awareness Tolle and others > talk about. Another spiritual teacher, Catherine Ingram, talked about > awareness as having a bright quality, and that being present is to be > comfortable within one's own skin. > > /AL If you carefully measure a monitor and ascertain its dimensions and write them down you are having a direct experience and meaning. Thoughts, feelings, images, memories not related to the measuring may arise whie you are doing this and cloud the experience. These only cloud if they constantly arise as you are doing it. What does the past have t do with your measuring. These past things arise because they are attached, cathected and are seeking attention. They will continue to arise with attachment to them. They do not come unbidden. What is attachment, cathexis (basic non-Freudian usage) and how are attachments and cathexes (basic non-Freudian usage) loosed? Lewis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > anders_lindman wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lewis Burgess " <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > >>Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > >><anders_lindman> wrote: > >> > >>>Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > >>> > >>>... > >>> > >>>>I understand what you think about collapsing wave wave function. > >>>> > >>>>I would like to know your simple experience. > >>>> > >>>>When I experience the computer monitor, Anders, it does not change > >>>>shape. I measured it several times. I do not know how the monitor > >>>>retains its shape by looking at it, touching it, smelling it, > >>> > >>listening > >> > >>>>to it, or tasting it in other ways that I experience it. The > >>> > >>experience > >> > >>>>of it in this way gives no idea how it appears as it does. The > >>>>appearance is there and it is there as it is. Do you experience > >>> > > this, > > > >>>>Anders? > >>>> > >>>>Lewis > >>> > >>>Interesting kind of observation you mention. I don't quite know what > >>>you mean, but I get the idea of to somehow taste the changelessness of > >>>objects; a kind of directness of experiencing the world. And that > >>>directness leaves no room for objective measurements, which would only > >>>pollute the directness. > >>> > >>>/AL > >> > >>It seems to me Anders that experience with the five senses and other > >>senses of the appearances does not provide information that tells > >>about it. So that every appearance is a mystery. It exists and that is > >>the initial experience. Then there is wonder or not about an > >>appearance and wonder leads to examination and discovery and > >>experimentation, description, definition, explanations, stories, use > >>and preference and the like. So the initial state > >>is ignorance. > >> > >>Then there is all the rest, the complexity as you call it, when there > >>is more than an initial response to an experience. If we experience a > >>rabid dog or violent person we have different initial experiences and > >>all of what is undergone can be that of ignorance, not knowing what is > >>going on with the appearances in fornt of us or with the experience > >>undergone. That is, the reactions that emerge when undergoing an > >>experience of a rabid dog or violent person. We have initial ignorance > >>then we label and describe to ourselves or have others describe us and > >>so forth and we come to identify all with these labels, descriptions, > >>explanations, etc which are secondary to the initial ignorance. So > >>there is the computer monitor as an initial experience that is primary > >>and then there are all the explanations, identifications etc. that > >>follow. > >> > >>There is nothing polluting about objective measurements or any sort of > >>measurement. It is something done and has its uses. If one measures > >>wrongly and believes that the measurement is correct then there are > >>consequences. Improper measurement in construction, aerospace, > >>pharmacy, medicine, and so on has consequences. Other sorts of > >>thinking and doing has its consequences as well. > >> > >>I was interested in the items you had in your initial experience that > >>allowed you to think of quantum mechanics in relation to a computer > >>monitor that does not change shape. > >> > >>Lewis > > > > > > Yes, finding meaning to what is experienced is not polluting that > > experience. However, when interpretations are made from the past in > > too large extent, then we can call it pollution. The ideal would be to > > have direct experience and meaning at the same time. A sort of harmony > > and clarity. Ultimately there would perhaps be possible to have > > directness of experience with past knowledge and memories only come > > into play when approriate. I feel that my past and my " me " is often a > > cloud that hinders this directness. > > > > As Eckhart Tolle said: when you walk in a forest you don't need to > > remember your past........you don't even need to remember your > > name..........don't worry.........you will still know your name when > > needed... > > > > As it is for me, my past is always hanging over me as a burden. I am > > very interested in finding that state of awareness Tolle and others > > talk about. Another spiritual teacher, Catherine Ingram, talked about > > awareness as having a bright quality, and that being present is to be > > comfortable within one's own skin. > > > > /AL > > If you carefully measure a monitor and ascertain its dimensions and > write them down you are having a direct experience and meaning. > Thoughts, feelings, images, memories not related to the measuring may > arise whie you are doing this and cloud the experience. These only cloud > if they constantly arise as you are doing it. What does the past have t > do with your measuring. These past things arise because they are > attached, cathected and are seeking attention. They will continue to > arise with attachment to them. They do not come unbidden. What is > attachment, cathexis (basic non-Freudian usage) and how are attachments > and cathexes (basic non-Freudian usage) loosed? > > Lewis The past is needed to give us a clear idea where we are. But when the past becomes _what_ we are, then we are trapped in a small cage. Clear perception can use the past, but is not confined to it. /AL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > As Eckhart Tolle said: when you walk in a forest you don't need to > remember your past........you don't even need to remember your > name..........don't worry.........you will still know your name when > needed... > the problem is more complex than Tolle says. we have lost control on the mind. we know nothing else except our own selfishness and vanity. when the mind goes quiet the " walls start biting " us. we have become addicted to our discomfort. we love our mind too much. after all it is probably the most miraculous thing in the universe. > As it is for me, my past is always hanging over me as a burden. I am > very interested in finding that state of awareness Tolle and others what makes you sure you don't have it already? as an antidote to your past shower compassion on everyone, and on yourself. whatever happened in the past happened because of certain cause and effects, and your own (im?)maturity at the time. now have compassion on yourself. did you or didn't you learn from the past? if the past had been all rosy would you be as strong as you are today? if you see it that way you will see that life is the great teacher, a bit rough sometimes. > talk about. Another spiritual teacher, Catherine Ingram, talked about > awareness as having a bright quality, and that being present is to be > comfortable within one's own skin. > yes she is right. you are already there, you just have turned your back to it. we have picked up notions that we are not (that). all we have to learn is to be comfortable with ourself. faith. compassion. awareness. skill. all these blessings will shower once you are comfortable with the self. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > As Eckhart Tolle said: when you walk in a forest you don't need to > > remember your past........you don't even need to remember your > > name..........don't worry.........you will still know your name when > > needed... > > > the problem is more complex than Tolle says. we have lost control on > the mind. we know nothing else except our own selfishness and vanity. > when the mind goes quiet the " walls start biting " us. we have become > addicted to our discomfort. > > we love our mind too much. after all it is probably the most > miraculous thing in the universe. > > > As it is for me, my past is always hanging over me as a burden. I am > > very interested in finding that state of awareness Tolle and others > > what makes you sure you don't have it already? as an antidote to your > past shower compassion on everyone, and on yourself. whatever happened > in the past happened because of certain cause and effects, and your > own (im?)maturity at the time. now have compassion on yourself. did > you or didn't you learn from the past? if the past had been all rosy > would you be as strong as you are today? > > if you see it that way you will see that life is the great teacher, a > bit rough sometimes. Life finds a way. > > > talk about. Another spiritual teacher, Catherine Ingram, talked about > > awareness as having a bright quality, and that being present is to be > > comfortable within one's own skin. > > > yes she is right. you are already there, you just have turned your > back to it. we have picked up notions that we are not (that). > > all we have to learn is to be comfortable with ourself. faith. > compassion. awareness. skill. all these blessings will shower once you > are comfortable with the self. Not only faith I suspect, but the actual feeling of the divine: a drink from that fountain of everlasting supply: and you go: oh my beloved---o my beloved! :=) /AL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 2/24/05 8:10:59 AM, ilikezen2004 writes: > > > > >Pete! Krishna in the Gita teaches that yes, after death, the person, or consciousness leave the body and go elsewhere. e.g Heaven etc. > > >Alb:Reincarnation comes from Krishna teachings and the Vedas etc. So you > > are saying that after physical death everything is finished! > > Only the external is true. e.g the physical body not the Ego or > > >person. What are your coulors friend. You have none? and you are > > going to die. And you are calm knowing there is nothing more than > > false theories. You don't believe in faith, in nothing. It looks > > >like existentialism. > > > Hi Alberto, > > P: It's OK for you to believe what you believe now. You, will outgrow those beliefs one day, and get others, and even one day, maybe need none, as some here do. Odysseus: I have no beliefs. If I believe I have a nose that doesn't mean that my belief is wrong or naive or unaccurate wisdom. I see the noise I believe in the nose. No more nose I believe that there is no more nose. I fought shadows. I have seen the snake. and it is not a snake it is a rope! I don't need Ramana to tell me that it is a rope. I " see " the Rope. Ramana confirms my seeing. Nis too. Yet I don't exist, yet I am existance? I know exactly your position because I am beside you. Yet you took position. Why? you know why. P: It's for those who have no need for any assurances of survival, Odysseus: What should I fear now that I know " who I am " and for those who are ready to drop all such hopes that I write. I understand that what I write makes believers very uneasy, like watching someone walk on a high wire without a net. Odysseus: :0) but why do you do that? > > What I write may seem like existentialism to you, but not to me. I don't say there is no God. I say, any idea, any experience anyone might have about God, is not God. There is no direct or indirect knowledge of God, everything you can read about God in holy books are poetic stories about other people's experiences. It's like reading a menu, it could never fill you up. They are alright for beginners, but ideas about God must eventually > be left behind. Odysseus: You are right on this: The ideas about God must be left behind... but do not forget, You can never left God behind! > Before Alberto was conceived there was no knowledge of Alberto anywhere. Out of that complete not knowing, perception appeared, and after a few months those perceptions began to call themselves Alberto, Odysseus: I am not Alberto, neither Odysseus, neti neti. and the knowledge of an Alberto grew with each passing month and years until, today, those memories color every new perception with an identity. That identity born out of memories will not survive after death in any way, Odysseus: Yes they do as long as they are needed. They survive heaven or hell or many other places and the person is as real as this posting. Where do you think you are Pete? On planet earth! You walk on air friend. Ramana answered a question concerning the suble worlds or heavens etc. He answered that they are as real as you and me! Krishna too says it! Of course you are not oblige to believe it and I can easely understand you. :0) It is not easy to believe. As Master Nis teaching is not easy to understand. Not saying that you don't understand Nis teachings. but as long as bodies with brains > are born there will be perceptions and a sense of self. I don't even need that small consolation. I'm with Nis all the way. He called consciousness the disease, and the cause of all suffering. Odysseus: The consciousness is not the disease. It is the duality that produces the disease. I don't think Ramana was suffering a lot. Being one in the duality is what Ramana and other Masters lived. But of course they were eager to leave the duality. The absolute, he said, is beyond even that. Odysseus: :0) > > ALB: > What can I add to this! Well, that you are a good person preparing him self to die honorably! Which is a good thing. > > > P: LOL, Alberto, honor? Honor-great respect, high public regard. I don't care for that in life, much less in death. What good will that do? If I could be granted a wish about my death it would be that it won't cause any suffering for those I love, and that they will quickly adjust to live on without me. Odysseus: Isn't that part of an honorable death. For me it is. The name Nagarjuna is greatly honored, but does that > benefit a person called Nagarjuna? Of course not, Odysseus: Yes it does, Nagarjuna will continue if he has not reached Nirvana. If he is at Nirvana's door he could come back and attain the Self without effort as Master Ramana Maharshi. Maybe he is Nagarjuna? Who knows? :0 Maybe you don't remember your past lives. That doesn't mean you did not had a few? The buddha remembered. the person is gone, and only thoughts committed to paper survive. > Best to you, > Pete The same to you Spanish poet :0) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > all we have to learn is to be comfortable with ourself. faith. > > compassion. awareness. skill. all these blessings will shower once you > > are comfortable with the self. > > Not only faith I suspect, but the actual feeling of the divine: a > drink from that fountain of everlasting supply: and you go: oh my > beloved---o my beloved! :=) > yes, i left out the word " bhakti " because it is a typical indian word hard to translate. that word says it all. there is constant prayer and love arising from the heart. and blessings for all that is. see http://www.geocities.com/hanu_man_ji/narad_bhakti_sutra.html " Even though the experience of bhakti is one, bhakti is practised in eleven ways , viz, Gunamahatmyasakti (love in the world accepting the world as the manifestation of the Lord), Rupasakti (loving the Lord's quality of Consciousness-Bliss-Truth),Pujasakti (loving worship), Smaranasakti (loving the remembering of Lord), Dasyasakti (love the Lord as the master), Sakhyasakti (loving the Lord as the friend of all), Kantasakti (loving the Lord as the only Man, accepting all others as His lovers), Vatsalyasakti (loving the Lord as one's child), Tanmayasakti (loving oneself as being non-different from the Lord), Atmanivedanasakti (love of surrendering all to the Lord). Paramvirahasakti (recognizing one's separation from the Lord, being desperate for reunion). " ' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 26, 2005 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > all we have to learn is to be comfortable with ourself. faith. > > > compassion. awareness. skill. all these blessings will shower once you > > > are comfortable with the self. > > > > Not only faith I suspect, but the actual feeling of the divine: a > > drink from that fountain of everlasting supply: and you go: oh my > > beloved---o my beloved! :=) > > > > yes, i left out the word " bhakti " because it is a typical indian word > hard to translate. that word says it all. there is constant prayer > and love arising from the heart. and blessings for all that is. > > see http://www.geocities.com/hanu_man_ji/narad_bhakti_sutra.html > > " Even though the experience of bhakti is one, bhakti is practised in > eleven ways , viz, Gunamahatmyasakti (love in the world accepting the > world as the manifestation of the Lord), Rupasakti (loving the Lord's > quality of Consciousness-Bliss-Truth),Pujasakti (loving worship), > Smaranasakti (loving the remembering of Lord), Dasyasakti (love the > Lord as the master), Sakhyasakti (loving the Lord as the friend of > all), Kantasakti (loving the Lord as the only Man, accepting all > others as His lovers), Vatsalyasakti (loving the Lord as one's child), > Tanmayasakti (loving oneself as being non-different from the Lord), > Atmanivedanasakti (love of surrendering all to the Lord). > Paramvirahasakti (recognizing one's separation from the Lord, being > desperate for reunion). " > Thanks. That was an interesting description of bhakti I think. /AL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
