Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2005 Sin # Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that causes ...Suffering ! Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion that can have be avoided ....if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to See, know and understand what, why, how is going on. Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, changed or transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if necessary ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its reflection, impact and after-effect! .. .... ...... Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its roots. And, whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, her, ...or them, ...doesn’t matter that much ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , Adithya K <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Sin > > # > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that causes ....Suffering ! > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion that can have be avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to See, know and understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, changed or transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if necessary ....dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its reflection, impact and after-effect! > > > > . > > ... > > ..... > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its roots. And, whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, her, ...or them, ....doesn't matter that much ! > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K <adithya_comming> > wrote: > > > > Sin > > > > # > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that causes > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion that can have be > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to See, know and > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, changed or > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if necessary > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its reflection, > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > . > > > > ... > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its roots. And, > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, her, ...or them, > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... Divisionless awareness avoids nothing. All-inclusive, holographic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > <adithya_comming> > > wrote: > > > > > > Sin > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that causes > > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion that can have > be > > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to See, know > and > > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, changed or > > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if necessary > > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its reflection, > > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > ... > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its roots. And, > > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, her, ...or > them, > > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... > > Divisionless awareness avoids nothing. > > All-inclusive, holographic. Divisionless awareness is a regression into oblivion. True awareness is so much smarter than that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2005 So, so ... And how long will this intense awareness last ? And when will it start ? Maybe next time when you try catching a fly ? And who is the intensifier ? But, if there is no such a thing at all like awareness, then how can it be intense ? Werner Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K <adithya_comming> > wrote: > > > > Sin > > > > # > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that causes > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion that can have be > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to See, know and > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, changed or > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if necessary > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its reflection, > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > . > > > > ... > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its roots. And, > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, her, ...or them, > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > So, so ... > > And how long will this intense awareness last ? > And when will it start ? Maybe next time when you try catching a > fly ? And who is the intensifier ? > > But, if there is no such a thing at all like awareness, then how can > it be intense ? > > Werner Awareness liberated from compulsive thinking is easy, but the journey to that pure awareness is hell. " When you go through hell, keep going " -- Winston Churchill > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > <adithya_comming> > > wrote: > > > > > > Sin > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that causes > > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion that can have > be > > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to See, know > and > > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, changed or > > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if necessary > > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its reflection, > > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > ... > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its roots. And, > > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, her, ...or > them, > > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2005 Congratulation ! I am happy to have you on this list, one for whom it is easy to be free of compulsive thinking. BTW, which part of you is the free one and which part is prone to compulsive thinking - and who is the liberator ? Werner Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > So, so ... > > > > And how long will this intense awareness last ? > > And when will it start ? Maybe next time when you try catching a > > fly ? And who is the intensifier ? > > > > But, if there is no such a thing at all like awareness, then how can > > it be intense ? > > > > Werner > > Awareness liberated from compulsive thinking is easy, but the journey > to that pure awareness is hell. > > " When you go through hell, keep going " -- Winston Churchill > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > > <adithya_comming> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sin > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that causes > > > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion that can have > > be > > > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to See, know > > and > > > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, changed or > > > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if necessary > > > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its reflection, > > > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its roots. And, > > > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, her, ...or > > them, > > > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > > > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Congratulation ! > > I am happy to have you on this list, one for whom it is easy to be > free of compulsive thinking. > > BTW, which part of you is the free one and which part is prone to > compulsive thinking - and who is the liberator ? > > Werner There is a bad part in me that is the " future " , and another bad part in me that is felt now. They really are one and the same bad feeling. Understanding this is the jump into AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH! What a relief! > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > So, so ... > > > > > > And how long will this intense awareness last ? > > > And when will it start ? Maybe next time when you try catching a > > > fly ? And who is the intensifier ? > > > > > > But, if there is no such a thing at all like awareness, then how > can > > > it be intense ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > Awareness liberated from compulsive thinking is easy, but the > journey > > to that pure awareness is hell. > > > > " When you go through hell, keep going " -- Winston Churchill > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > > > <adithya_comming> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sin > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that causes > > > > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion that can > have > > > be > > > > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to See, > know > > > and > > > > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, changed > or > > > > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if > necessary > > > > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its > reflection, > > > > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its roots. And, > > > > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, her, ...or > > > them, > > > > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > > > > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2005 Aaaaaah ! I can understand this. Its feeling like me when every evening going to bed with my teddy bear. Werner Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Congratulation ! > > > > I am happy to have you on this list, one for whom it is easy to be > > free of compulsive thinking. > > > > BTW, which part of you is the free one and which part is prone to > > compulsive thinking - and who is the liberator ? > > > > Werner > > There is a bad part in me that is the " future " , and another bad part > in me that is felt now. They really are one and the same bad feeling. > Understanding this is the jump into AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH! What a relief! > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > So, so ... > > > > > > > > And how long will this intense awareness last ? > > > > And when will it start ? Maybe next time when you try catching a > > > > fly ? And who is the intensifier ? > > > > > > > > But, if there is no such a thing at all like awareness, then how > > can > > > > it be intense ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Awareness liberated from compulsive thinking is easy, but the > > journey > > > to that pure awareness is hell. > > > > > > " When you go through hell, keep going " -- Winston Churchill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > > > > <adithya_comming> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that causes > > > > > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion that can > > have > > > > be > > > > > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to See, > > know > > > > and > > > > > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, changed > > or > > > > > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if > > necessary > > > > > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its > > reflection, > > > > > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its roots. And, > > > > > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, her, ...or > > > > them, > > > > > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > > > > > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Aaaaaah ! > > I can understand this. Its feeling like me when every evening going > to bed with my teddy bear. > > Werner I assure you, you can go through this experience, not only with your teddy bear going to bed, but also now, in _every_ moment... /AL > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > > > Congratulation ! > > > > > > I am happy to have you on this list, one for whom it is easy to > be > > > free of compulsive thinking. > > > > > > BTW, which part of you is the free one and which part is prone to > > > compulsive thinking - and who is the liberator ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > There is a bad part in me that is the " future " , and another bad part > > in me that is felt now. They really are one and the same bad > feeling. > > Understanding this is the jump into AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH! What a > relief! > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@p...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > So, so ... > > > > > > > > > > And how long will this intense awareness last ? > > > > > And when will it start ? Maybe next time when you try > catching a > > > > > fly ? And who is the intensifier ? > > > > > > > > > > But, if there is no such a thing at all like awareness, then > how > > > can > > > > > it be intense ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Awareness liberated from compulsive thinking is easy, but the > > > journey > > > > to that pure awareness is hell. > > > > > > > > " When you go through hell, keep going " -- Winston Churchill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > > > > > <adithya_comming> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that causes > > > > > > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion that > can > > > have > > > > > be > > > > > > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to > See, > > > know > > > > > and > > > > > > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, > changed > > > or > > > > > > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if > > > necessary > > > > > > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its > > > reflection, > > > > > > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its roots. > And, > > > > > > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, > her, ...or > > > > > them, > > > > > > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > > > > > > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > > <adithya_comming> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sin > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that causes > > > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion that can have > > be > > > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to See, know > > and > > > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, changed or > > > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if necessary > > > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its reflection, > > > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its roots. And, > > > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, her, ...or > > them, > > > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > > > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... > > > > Divisionless awareness avoids nothing. > > > > All-inclusive, holographic. > > Divisionless awareness is a regression into oblivion. True awareness > is so much smarter than that! Divisionless oblivion is a regression into awareness. True oblivion is so much less than you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > So, so ... > > And how long will this intense awareness last ? > And when will it start ? Maybe next time when you try catching a > fly ? And who is the intensifier ? > > But, if there is no such a thing at all like awareness, then how can > it be intense ? > > Werner Worthy questions. And the answer is: MUUUUUUUUU!! -- Joshu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Congratulation ! > > I am happy to have you on this list, one for whom it is easy to be > free of compulsive thinking. > > BTW, which part of you is the free one and which part is prone to > compulsive thinking - and who is the liberator ? > > Werner I know what you mean. I feel like it's a privilege to be on this list, so as to observe someone lecturing to himself, and dividing himself into the compulsive one and the free one in the process of liberating himself. Truly a grand privilege! Thanks to all! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > > > <adithya_comming> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sin > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that causes > > > > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion that can > have > > > be > > > > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to See, > know > > > and > > > > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, > changed or > > > > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if > necessary > > > > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its > reflection, > > > > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its roots. > And, > > > > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, > her, ...or > > > them, > > > > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > > > > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... > > > > > > Divisionless awareness avoids nothing. > > > > > > All-inclusive, holographic. > > > > Divisionless awareness is a regression into oblivion. True > awareness > > is so much smarter than that! > > Divisionless oblivion is a regression into awareness. > > True oblivion is so much less than you. I don't understand what you mean here. Can you explain it in another way? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > > > > <adithya_comming> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that causes > > > > > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion that can > > have > > > > be > > > > > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to See, > > know > > > > and > > > > > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, > > changed or > > > > > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if > > necessary > > > > > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its > > reflection, > > > > > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its roots. > > And, > > > > > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, > > her, ...or > > > > them, > > > > > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > > > > > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... > > > > > > > > Divisionless awareness avoids nothing. > > > > > > > > All-inclusive, holographic. > > > > > > Divisionless awareness is a regression into oblivion. True > > awareness > > > is so much smarter than that! > > > > Divisionless oblivion is a regression into awareness. > > > > True oblivion is so much less than you. > > I don't understand what you mean here. Can you explain it in another way? No. (You thrive way too much on explanations.) :-) Remember the most important word: No. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > <dan330033> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > > > > > <adithya_comming> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that > causes > > > > > > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion that > can > > > have > > > > > be > > > > > > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to > See, > > > know > > > > > and > > > > > > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, > > > changed or > > > > > > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if > > > necessary > > > > > > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its > > > reflection, > > > > > > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its > roots. > > > And, > > > > > > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, > > > her, ...or > > > > > them, > > > > > > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > > > > > > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless awareness avoids nothing. > > > > > > > > > > All-inclusive, holographic. > > > > > > > > Divisionless awareness is a regression into oblivion. True > > > awareness > > > > is so much smarter than that! > > > > > > Divisionless oblivion is a regression into awareness. > > > > > > True oblivion is so much less than you. > > > > I don't understand what you mean here. Can you explain it in > another way? > > No. > > (You thrive way too much on explanations.) > > :-) > > Remember the most important word: > > No. No means that every time you try to assert a truth, you are hit with its negation. Every time you try to move forward, expand knowing, you are hit with the negation of that movement. Any explanation has to hit this wall of " no. " Joshu's " mu " - or " no " -- It is not that you are being singled out to be negated. It that any affirmation includes its own negation. -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > <dan330033> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > > > > > <adithya_comming> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that > causes > > > > > > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion that > can > > > have > > > > > be > > > > > > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to > See, > > > know > > > > > and > > > > > > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, > > > changed or > > > > > > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if > > > necessary > > > > > > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its > > > reflection, > > > > > > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its > roots. > > > And, > > > > > > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, > > > her, ...or > > > > > them, > > > > > > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > > > > > > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless awareness avoids nothing. > > > > > > > > > > All-inclusive, holographic. > > > > > > > > Divisionless awareness is a regression into oblivion. True > > > awareness > > > > is so much smarter than that! > > > > > > Divisionless oblivion is a regression into awareness. > > > > > > True oblivion is so much less than you. > > > > I don't understand what you mean here. Can you explain it in > another way? > > No. > > (You thrive way too much on explanations.) > > :-) > > Remember the most important word: > > No. A swami once said in a satsang: " Remove the No and only Yes remains " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > <dan330033> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > > > > > > <adithya_comming> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that > > causes > > > > > > > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion > that > > can > > > > have > > > > > > be > > > > > > > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to > > See, > > > > know > > > > > > and > > > > > > > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, > > > > changed or > > > > > > > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if > > > > necessary > > > > > > > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its > > > > reflection, > > > > > > > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its > > roots. > > > > And, > > > > > > > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, > > > > her, ...or > > > > > > them, > > > > > > > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > > > > > > > > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless awareness avoids nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > All-inclusive, holographic. > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless awareness is a regression into oblivion. True > > > > awareness > > > > > is so much smarter than that! > > > > > > > > Divisionless oblivion is a regression into awareness. > > > > > > > > True oblivion is so much less than you. > > > > > > I don't understand what you mean here. Can you explain it in > > another way? > > > > No. > > > > (You thrive way too much on explanations.) > > > > :-) > > > > Remember the most important word: > > > > No. > > No means that every time you try to assert a truth, > you are hit with its negation. > > Every time you try to move forward, expand knowing, > you are hit with the negation of that movement. > > Any explanation has to hit this wall of " no. " > > Joshu's " mu " - or " no " -- > > It is not that you are being singled out to be negated. > > It that any affirmation includes its own negation. > > -- Dan Now you have become trapped in your own snare. If " any affirmation includes its own negation " , then how about the affirmation: " any affirmation includes its own negation " ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > <dan330033> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > > > > > > <adithya_comming> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that > > causes > > > > > > > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion that > > can > > > > have > > > > > > be > > > > > > > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to > > See, > > > > know > > > > > > and > > > > > > > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, > > > > changed or > > > > > > > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if > > > > necessary > > > > > > > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its > > > > reflection, > > > > > > > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its > > roots. > > > > And, > > > > > > > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, > > > > her, ...or > > > > > > them, > > > > > > > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > > > > > > > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless awareness avoids nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > All-inclusive, holographic. > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless awareness is a regression into oblivion. True > > > > awareness > > > > > is so much smarter than that! > > > > > > > > Divisionless oblivion is a regression into awareness. > > > > > > > > True oblivion is so much less than you. > > > > > > I don't understand what you mean here. Can you explain it in > > another way? > > > > No. > > > > (You thrive way too much on explanations.) > > > > :-) > > > > Remember the most important word: > > > > No. > > A swami once said in a satsang: " Remove the No and only Yes remains " He was wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > <dan330033> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > <dan330033> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > > > > > > > <adithya_comming> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that > > > causes > > > > > > > > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion > > that > > > can > > > > > have > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to > > > See, > > > > > know > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, > > > > > changed or > > > > > > > > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if > > > > > necessary > > > > > > > > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its > > > > > reflection, > > > > > > > > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its > > > roots. > > > > > And, > > > > > > > > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, > > > > > her, ...or > > > > > > > them, > > > > > > > > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > > > > > > > > > > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless awareness avoids nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All-inclusive, holographic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless awareness is a regression into oblivion. True > > > > > awareness > > > > > > is so much smarter than that! > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless oblivion is a regression into awareness. > > > > > > > > > > True oblivion is so much less than you. > > > > > > > > I don't understand what you mean here. Can you explain it in > > > another way? > > > > > > No. > > > > > > (You thrive way too much on explanations.) > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > Remember the most important word: > > > > > > No. > > > > No means that every time you try to assert a truth, > > you are hit with its negation. > > > > Every time you try to move forward, expand knowing, > > you are hit with the negation of that movement. > > > > Any explanation has to hit this wall of " no. " > > > > Joshu's " mu " - or " no " -- > > > > It is not that you are being singled out to be negated. > > > > It that any affirmation includes its own negation. > > > > -- Dan > > Now you have become trapped in your own snare. If " any affirmation > includes its own negation " , then how about the affirmation: " any > affirmation includes its own negation " > > ? Affirmation and negation are mutually interdependent opposites. One cannot exist without the other. t. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > <dan330033> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > > > > > > > <adithya_comming> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that > > > causes > > > > > > > > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion that > > > can > > > > > have > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to > > > See, > > > > > know > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, > > > > > changed or > > > > > > > > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if > > > > > necessary > > > > > > > > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its > > > > > reflection, > > > > > > > > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its > > > roots. > > > > > And, > > > > > > > > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, > > > > > her, ...or > > > > > > > them, > > > > > > > > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > > > > > > > > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless awareness avoids nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All-inclusive, holographic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless awareness is a regression into oblivion. True > > > > > awareness > > > > > > is so much smarter than that! > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless oblivion is a regression into awareness. > > > > > > > > > > True oblivion is so much less than you. > > > > > > > > I don't understand what you mean here. Can you explain it in > > > another way? > > > > > > No. > > > > > > (You thrive way too much on explanations.) > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > Remember the most important word: > > > > > > No. > > > > A swami once said in a satsang: " Remove the No and only Yes remains " > > > > He was wrong. Do you _know_ he was wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 5, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > <dan330033> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > > <dan330033> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > > > > > > > > <adithya_comming> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that > > > > causes > > > > > > > > > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion > > > that > > > > can > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to > > > > See, > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, > > > > > > changed or > > > > > > > > > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if > > > > > > necessary > > > > > > > > > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its > > > > > > reflection, > > > > > > > > > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its > > > > roots. > > > > > > And, > > > > > > > > > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, > > > > > > her, ...or > > > > > > > > them, > > > > > > > > > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > > > > > > > > > > > > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless awareness avoids nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All-inclusive, holographic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless awareness is a regression into oblivion. True > > > > > > awareness > > > > > > > is so much smarter than that! > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless oblivion is a regression into awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > True oblivion is so much less than you. > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand what you mean here. Can you explain it in > > > > another way? > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > (You thrive way too much on explanations.) > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > Remember the most important word: > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > No means that every time you try to assert a truth, > > > you are hit with its negation. > > > > > > Every time you try to move forward, expand knowing, > > > you are hit with the negation of that movement. > > > > > > Any explanation has to hit this wall of " no. " > > > > > > Joshu's " mu " - or " no " -- > > > > > > It is not that you are being singled out to be negated. > > > > > > It that any affirmation includes its own negation. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > Now you have become trapped in your own snare. If " any affirmation > > includes its own negation " , then how about the affirmation: " any > > affirmation includes its own negation " > > > > ? > > Affirmation and negation are mutually interdependent opposites. > > > One cannot exist without the other. > > > t. How about the affirmation " the world exists " ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > > <dan330033> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > > > > > > > > <adithya_comming> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that > > > > causes > > > > > > > > > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion that > > > > can > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to > > > > See, > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, > > > > > > changed or > > > > > > > > > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine and if > > > > > > necessary > > > > > > > > > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its > > > > > > reflection, > > > > > > > > > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its > > > > roots. > > > > > > And, > > > > > > > > > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, > > > > > > her, ...or > > > > > > > > them, > > > > > > > > > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > > > > > > > > > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless awareness avoids nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All-inclusive, holographic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless awareness is a regression into oblivion. True > > > > > > awareness > > > > > > > is so much smarter than that! > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless oblivion is a regression into awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > True oblivion is so much less than you. > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand what you mean here. Can you explain it in > > > > another way? > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > (You thrive way too much on explanations.) > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > Remember the most important word: > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > A swami once said in a satsang: " Remove the No and only Yes remains " > > > > > > > > He was wrong. > > Do you _know_ he was wrong? I do...........No is meaningless without yes. Removing up.....does not leave only down. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > > <dan330033> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > > > <dan330033> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Adithya K > > > > > > > > > <adithya_comming> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is an avoidable ...act, thought or emotion that > > > > > causes > > > > > > > > > > ...Suffering ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is a suffering-causing act, thought or emotion > > > > that > > > > > can > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > avoided ...if, there is enough Consciousness PRESENT to > > > > > See, > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > understand what, why, how is going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sin is any suffering-causing act that can be avoided, > > > > > > > changed or > > > > > > > > > > transformed, if there is PRESENCE to See, examine > and if > > > > > > > necessary > > > > > > > > > > ...dissolve its roots and to watch and learn from its > > > > > > > reflection, > > > > > > > > > > impact and after-effect! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suffering is its fruit, and unconsciousness is its > > > > > roots. > > > > > > > And, > > > > > > > > > > whether one that suffers is ...body, minds, me, him, > > > > > > > her, ...or > > > > > > > > > them, > > > > > > > > > > ...doesn't matter that much ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My idea is...........that ALL suffering..........can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > avoided.............by......intense..........awareness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless awareness avoids nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All-inclusive, holographic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless awareness is a regression into oblivion. True > > > > > > > awareness > > > > > > > > is so much smarter than that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divisionless oblivion is a regression into awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True oblivion is so much less than you. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand what you mean here. Can you explain it in > > > > > another way? > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > (You thrive way too much on explanations.) > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > Remember the most important word: > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > No means that every time you try to assert a truth, > > > > you are hit with its negation. > > > > > > > > Every time you try to move forward, expand knowing, > > > > you are hit with the negation of that movement. > > > > > > > > Any explanation has to hit this wall of " no. " > > > > > > > > Joshu's " mu " - or " no " -- > > > > > > > > It is not that you are being singled out to be negated. > > > > > > > > It that any affirmation includes its own negation. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > Now you have become trapped in your own snare. If " any affirmation > > > includes its own negation " , then how about the affirmation: " any > > > affirmation includes its own negation " > > > > > > ? > > > > Affirmation and negation are mutually interdependent opposites. > > > > > > One cannot exist without the other. > > > > > > t. > > How about the affirmation " the world exists " ? No " thing " exists. t. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > .... > > > > > > > > > He was wrong. > > > > Do you _know_ he was wrong? > > > I do...........No is meaningless without yes. > > > Removing up.....does not leave only down. > > > > toombaru You are stuck on an intellectual level. (I am not trying to be rude here) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
