Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Many sages are adamant on this point: they experience a state of no > > > separation while living in the phenomenal world of separation. So > > if > > > you think you are a sage and still live as a separate person in > > > thought, action and feeling, then perhaps you are not a sage yet. > > > Maybe you are one who believes himself or herself as someone who > > > understands what the state of a sage is, or who thinks he or she > > knows > > > that there is no such thing as a sage. > > > > Maybe you get hung up on the productions of your own > > mentation. > > > > -- Dan > > Logic says that we can never know if there is such thing as a real > sage unless we become one ourselves. Logic says you can only know a sage by comparison with a nonsage. Therefore, it is only by virtue of making someone a nonsage, that someone can become a sage. Therefore, to become a sage is an act of violence. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Many sages are adamant on this point: they experience a state > of no > > > > separation while living in the phenomenal world of separation. > So > > > if > > > > you think you are a sage and still live as a separate person in > > > > thought, action and feeling, then perhaps you are not a sage > yet. > > > > Maybe you are one who believes himself or herself as someone > who > > > > understands what the state of a sage is, or who thinks he or > she > > > knows > > > > that there is no such thing as a sage. > > > > > > Maybe you get hung up on the productions of your own > > > mentation. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > Logic says that we can never know if there is such thing as a real > > sage unless we become one ourselves. > > Logic says you can only know a sage by comparison with a > nonsage. > > Therefore, it is only by virtue of making someone a nonsage, > that someone can become a sage. > > Therefore, to become a sage is an act of violence. > > -- Dan Oh no, sir! Comparison is only violence when there is a belief in otherness. A sage, free from such illusion, is free to compare his or her state with his or her _previous_ state. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Many sages are adamant on this point: they experience a state > > of no > > > > > separation while living in the phenomenal world of separation. > > So > > > > if > > > > > you think you are a sage and still live as a separate person in > > > > > thought, action and feeling, then perhaps you are not a sage > > yet. > > > > > Maybe you are one who believes himself or herself as someone > > who > > > > > understands what the state of a sage is, or who thinks he or > > she > > > > knows > > > > > that there is no such thing as a sage. > > > > > > > > Maybe you get hung up on the productions of your own > > > > mentation. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > Logic says that we can never know if there is such thing as a real > > > sage unless we become one ourselves. > > > > Logic says you can only know a sage by comparison with a > > nonsage. > > > > Therefore, it is only by virtue of making someone a nonsage, > > that someone can become a sage. > > > > Therefore, to become a sage is an act of violence. > > > > -- Dan > > Oh no, sir! Comparison is only violence when there is a belief in > otherness. A sage, free from such illusion, is free to compare his or > her state with his or her _previous_ state. > > /AL Yes, you're really special, Anders. Can we say ... " convenient " ? As in: how convenient for me? :-) You think you're a sage, and you're going in and out of states that you compare! Really special and precious, you are! -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > <dan330033> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Many sages are adamant on this point: they experience a > state > > > of no > > > > > > separation while living in the phenomenal world of > separation. > > > So > > > > > if > > > > > > you think you are a sage and still live as a separate > person in > > > > > > thought, action and feeling, then perhaps you are not a > sage > > > yet. > > > > > > Maybe you are one who believes himself or herself as > someone > > > who > > > > > > understands what the state of a sage is, or who thinks he > or > > > she > > > > > knows > > > > > > that there is no such thing as a sage. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe you get hung up on the productions of your own > > > > > mentation. > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > Logic says that we can never know if there is such thing as a > real > > > > sage unless we become one ourselves. > > > > > > Logic says you can only know a sage by comparison with a > > > nonsage. > > > > > > Therefore, it is only by virtue of making someone a nonsage, > > > that someone can become a sage. > > > > > > Therefore, to become a sage is an act of violence. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > Oh no, sir! Comparison is only violence when there is a belief in > > otherness. A sage, free from such illusion, is free to compare his > or > > her state with his or her _previous_ state. > > > > /AL > > Yes, you're really special, Anders. > > Can we say ... " convenient " ? > > As in: how convenient for me? > > :-) > > You think you're a sage, and you're going in > and out of states that you compare! > > Really special and precious, you are! > > -- Dan I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when you enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > <dan330033> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many sages are adamant on this point: they experience a > > state > > > > of no > > > > > > > separation while living in the phenomenal world of > > separation. > > > > So > > > > > > if > > > > > > > you think you are a sage and still live as a separate > > person in > > > > > > > thought, action and feeling, then perhaps you are not a > > sage > > > > yet. > > > > > > > Maybe you are one who believes himself or herself as > > someone > > > > who > > > > > > > understands what the state of a sage is, or who thinks he > > or > > > > she > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > that there is no such thing as a sage. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe you get hung up on the productions of your own > > > > > > mentation. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > Logic says that we can never know if there is such thing as a > > real > > > > > sage unless we become one ourselves. > > > > > > > > Logic says you can only know a sage by comparison with a > > > > nonsage. > > > > > > > > Therefore, it is only by virtue of making someone a nonsage, > > > > that someone can become a sage. > > > > > > > > Therefore, to become a sage is an act of violence. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > Oh no, sir! Comparison is only violence when there is a belief in > > > otherness. A sage, free from such illusion, is free to compare his > > or > > > her state with his or her _previous_ state. > > > > > > /AL > > > > Yes, you're really special, Anders. > > > > Can we say ... " convenient " ? > > > > As in: how convenient for me? > > > > :-) > > > > You think you're a sage, and you're going in > > and out of states that you compare! > > > > Really special and precious, you are! > > > > -- Dan > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when you > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state. > > /AL With enlightenment...there is no person...no locus....no center ...in which fearlessness could occur. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > With enlightenment...there is no person...no locus....no center ...in which fearlessness > could occur. > > > toombaru How about the taste of a margarita? Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when you > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state. > > /AL Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you. Not. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > <dan330033> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many sages are adamant on this point: they experience a > > > state > > > > > of no > > > > > > > > separation while living in the phenomenal world of > > > separation. > > > > > So > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > you think you are a sage and still live as a separate > > > person in > > > > > > > > thought, action and feeling, then perhaps you are not a > > > sage > > > > > yet. > > > > > > > > Maybe you are one who believes himself or herself as > > > someone > > > > > who > > > > > > > > understands what the state of a sage is, or who thinks he > > > or > > > > > she > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > that there is no such thing as a sage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe you get hung up on the productions of your own > > > > > > > mentation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > Logic says that we can never know if there is such thing as a > > > real > > > > > > sage unless we become one ourselves. > > > > > > > > > > Logic says you can only know a sage by comparison with a > > > > > nonsage. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, it is only by virtue of making someone a nonsage, > > > > > that someone can become a sage. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, to become a sage is an act of violence. > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > Oh no, sir! Comparison is only violence when there is a belief in > > > > otherness. A sage, free from such illusion, is free to compare his > > > or > > > > her state with his or her _previous_ state. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > Yes, you're really special, Anders. > > > > > > Can we say ... " convenient " ? > > > > > > As in: how convenient for me? > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > You think you're a sage, and you're going in > > > and out of states that you compare! > > > > > > Really special and precious, you are! > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when you > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state. > > > > /AL > > > With enlightenment...there is no person...no locus....no center ....in which fearlessness > could occur. > > > toombaru When I will become enlightened I will still be here, only without a separate self. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > With enlightenment...there is no person...no locus....no > center ...in which fearlessness > > could occur. > > > > > > toombaru > > How about the taste of a margarita? > > Joe Exacly. What would be the taste of a margarita without awareness? Ok, no person, no separate self, I can understand that, but awareness will still be there, free as a bird in the sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when > you > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state. > > > > /AL > > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you. > > Not. > > -- Dan Outsource all holding to God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > > <dan330033> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many sages are adamant on this point: they experience a > > > > state > > > > > > of no > > > > > > > > > separation while living in the phenomenal world of > > > > separation. > > > > > > So > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > you think you are a sage and still live as a separate > > > > person in > > > > > > > > > thought, action and feeling, then perhaps you are not a > > > > sage > > > > > > yet. > > > > > > > > > Maybe you are one who believes himself or herself as > > > > someone > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > understands what the state of a sage is, or who thinks he > > > > or > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > that there is no such thing as a sage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe you get hung up on the productions of your own > > > > > > > > mentation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Logic says that we can never know if there is such thing as a > > > > real > > > > > > > sage unless we become one ourselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > Logic says you can only know a sage by comparison with a > > > > > > nonsage. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, it is only by virtue of making someone a nonsage, > > > > > > that someone can become a sage. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, to become a sage is an act of violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > Oh no, sir! Comparison is only violence when there is a belief in > > > > > otherness. A sage, free from such illusion, is free to compare > his > > > > or > > > > > her state with his or her _previous_ state. > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > Yes, you're really special, Anders. > > > > > > > > Can we say ... " convenient " ? > > > > > > > > As in: how convenient for me? > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > You think you're a sage, and you're going in > > > > and out of states that you compare! > > > > > > > > Really special and precious, you are! > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when you > > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state. > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > With enlightenment...there is no person...no locus....no center > ...in which fearlessness > > could occur. > > > > > > toombaru > > When I will become enlightened I will still be here, only without a > separate self. > > /AL That is what your self needs to believe..........but...it is not true. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With enlightenment...there is no person...no locus....no > > center ...in which fearlessness > > > could occur. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > How about the taste of a margarita? > > > > Joe > > Exacly. What would be the taste of a margarita without awareness? Ok, > no person, no separate self, I can understand that, but awareness will > still be there, free as a bird in the sky. A bird....in the sky.....is not free. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when > > you > > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state. > > > > > > /AL > > > > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you. > > > > Not. > > > > -- Dan > > Outsource all holding to God ......whatever you conceive him to be. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With enlightenment...there is no person...no locus....no > > > center ...in which fearlessness > > > > could occur. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > How about the taste of a margarita? > > > > > > Joe > > > > Exacly. What would be the taste of a margarita without awareness? Ok, > > no person, no separate self, I can understand that, but awareness will > > still be there, free as a bird in the sky. > > > > A bird....in the sky.....is not free. > > > > toombaru Well, free as a movie star then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when > > > you > > > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you. > > > > > > Not. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > Outsource all holding to God > > > > > .....whatever you conceive him to be. > > > t. God is the whole business, the true Being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With enlightenment...there is no person...no locus....no > > > > center ...in which fearlessness > > > > > could occur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > How about the taste of a margarita? > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > Exacly. What would be the taste of a margarita without awareness? Ok, > > > no person, no separate self, I can understand that, but awareness will > > > still be there, free as a bird in the sky. > > > > > > > > A bird....in the sky.....is not free. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Well, free as a movie star then. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when > > > > you > > > > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state. > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you. > > > > > > > > Not. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > Outsource all holding to God > > > > > > > > > > .....whatever you conceive him to be. > > > > > > t. > > God is the whole business, the true Being. .......as opposed to the false being? t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when > > > > > you > > > > > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state. > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you. > > > > > > > > > > Not. > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > Outsource all holding to God > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .....whatever you conceive him to be. > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > God is the whole business, the true Being. > > > > > ......as opposed to the false being? > > > t. Yes, a belief in being a separate self is a part of what is, and of course is also being, but an illusionary kind of being. :---) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when > > you > > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state. > > > > > > /AL > > > > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you. > > > > Not. > > > > -- Dan > > Outsource all holding to God. There is no outsource or insource. You're having too much fun with the products of your mentation, in my opinion, Anders. It goes 'round and 'round, and as long as you convince yourself it's fascinating, you add investment that keeps it spinning. And that what you're stuck with. But it's all you know, and all you know to do. So no blame. It's just that if you once and for all get sick of it, you might really look into it, and then see what you prevented yourself from seeing before. When you're ready to be clear on futility. It's not a word game, not a game of fascinating ideas, and takes heart and soul, so to speak, all of you, in other words. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that > when > > > you > > > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful > state. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you. > > > > > > Not. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > Outsource all holding to God. > > There is no outsource or insource. > > You're having too much fun with the products > of your mentation, in my opinion, Anders. > > It goes 'round and 'round, and as long as you > convince yourself it's fascinating, you > add investment that keeps it spinning. > > And that what you're stuck with. > > But it's all you know, and all you know to do. > > So no blame. > > It's just that if you once and for all get sick of > it, you might really look into it, and then > see what you prevented yourself from seeing before. > > When you're ready to be clear on futility. > > It's not a word game, not a game of fascinating > ideas, and takes heart and soul, so > to speak, all of you, in other words. > > -- Dan Seeing the futility of personal control _is_ the start of the outsourcing to God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that > > when > > > > you > > > > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful > > state. > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you. > > > > > > > > Not. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > Outsource all holding to God. > > > > There is no outsource or insource. > > > > You're having too much fun with the products > > of your mentation, in my opinion, Anders. > > > > It goes 'round and 'round, and as long as you > > convince yourself it's fascinating, you > > add investment that keeps it spinning. > > > > And that what you're stuck with. > > > > But it's all you know, and all you know to do. > > > > So no blame. > > > > It's just that if you once and for all get sick of > > it, you might really look into it, and then > > see what you prevented yourself from seeing before. > > > > When you're ready to be clear on futility. > > > > It's not a word game, not a game of fascinating > > ideas, and takes heart and soul, so > > to speak, all of you, in other words. > > > > -- Dan > > Seeing the futility of personal control _is_ the start of the > outsourcing to God. There is nothing to outsource to. Thinking you can outsource personal control, is an attempt at maintaining control, just distorted by a concept of ultimacy to which it supposedly is turned over. There never has been any separative self which had control, which could be turned over somewhere else. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > <dan330033> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and > that > > > when > > > > > you > > > > > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful > > > state. > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you. > > > > > > > > > > Not. > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > Outsource all holding to God. > > > > > > There is no outsource or insource. > > > > > > You're having too much fun with the products > > > of your mentation, in my opinion, Anders. > > > > > > It goes 'round and 'round, and as long as you > > > convince yourself it's fascinating, you > > > add investment that keeps it spinning. > > > > > > And that what you're stuck with. > > > > > > But it's all you know, and all you know to do. > > > > > > So no blame. > > > > > > It's just that if you once and for all get sick of > > > it, you might really look into it, and then > > > see what you prevented yourself from seeing before. > > > > > > When you're ready to be clear on futility. > > > > > > It's not a word game, not a game of fascinating > > > ideas, and takes heart and soul, so > > > to speak, all of you, in other words. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > Seeing the futility of personal control _is_ the start of the > > outsourcing to God. > > There is nothing to outsource to. > > Thinking you can outsource personal control, is an attempt > at maintaining control, just distorted by a concept > of ultimacy to which it supposedly is turned over. > > There never has been any separative self which had control, > which could be turned over somewhere else. > > -- Dan The writer said " the start of the outsourcing to God " as in the recognition that God is the whole power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > <dan330033> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and > > that > > > > when > > > > > > you > > > > > > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful > > > > state. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > Outsource all holding to God. > > > > > > > > There is no outsource or insource. > > > > > > > > You're having too much fun with the products > > > > of your mentation, in my opinion, Anders. > > > > > > > > It goes 'round and 'round, and as long as you > > > > convince yourself it's fascinating, you > > > > add investment that keeps it spinning. > > > > > > > > And that what you're stuck with. > > > > > > > > But it's all you know, and all you know to do. > > > > > > > > So no blame. > > > > > > > > It's just that if you once and for all get sick of > > > > it, you might really look into it, and then > > > > see what you prevented yourself from seeing before. > > > > > > > > When you're ready to be clear on futility. > > > > > > > > It's not a word game, not a game of fascinating > > > > ideas, and takes heart and soul, so > > > > to speak, all of you, in other words. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > Seeing the futility of personal control _is_ the start of the > > > outsourcing to God. > > > > There is nothing to outsource to. > > > > Thinking you can outsource personal control, is an attempt > > at maintaining control, just distorted by a concept > > of ultimacy to which it supposedly is turned over. > > > > There never has been any separative self which had control, > > which could be turned over somewhere else. > > > > -- Dan > > The writer said " the start of the outsourcing to God " as in the > recognition that God is the whole power. Bologna piled on top of bologna, just gives more bologna. Whew, the stench of bologna in this place is really awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > <dan330033> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > > <dan330033> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and > > > that > > > > > when > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > enter that state there is no turning back into the > fearful > > > > > state. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > Outsource all holding to God. > > > > > > > > > > There is no outsource or insource. > > > > > > > > > > You're having too much fun with the products > > > > > of your mentation, in my opinion, Anders. > > > > > > > > > > It goes 'round and 'round, and as long as you > > > > > convince yourself it's fascinating, you > > > > > add investment that keeps it spinning. > > > > > > > > > > And that what you're stuck with. > > > > > > > > > > But it's all you know, and all you know to do. > > > > > > > > > > So no blame. > > > > > > > > > > It's just that if you once and for all get sick of > > > > > it, you might really look into it, and then > > > > > see what you prevented yourself from seeing before. > > > > > > > > > > When you're ready to be clear on futility. > > > > > > > > > > It's not a word game, not a game of fascinating > > > > > ideas, and takes heart and soul, so > > > > > to speak, all of you, in other words. > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > Seeing the futility of personal control _is_ the start of the > > > > outsourcing to God. > > > > > > There is nothing to outsource to. > > > > > > Thinking you can outsource personal control, is an attempt > > > at maintaining control, just distorted by a concept > > > of ultimacy to which it supposedly is turned over. > > > > > > There never has been any separative self which had control, > > > which could be turned over somewhere else. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > The writer said " the start of the outsourcing to God " as in the > > recognition that God is the whole power. > > Bologna piled on top of bologna, just gives more bologna. > > Whew, the stench of bologna in this place is really awesome! Smell is a powerful way to show us that thinking is not all that we are. We may think " bologna " when smelling bologna, but the thought is not the smell itself. The map is not the territory. The menu is not the dinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Smell is a powerful way to show us that thinking is not all that we > are. We may think " bologna " when smelling bologna, but the thought is > not the smell itself. The map is not the territory. The menu is not > the dinner. The nausea is the nausea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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