If you meet a sage on the road, kill him / AL

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > >

> > > Many sages are adamant on this point: they experience a state

of no

> > > separation while living in the phenomenal world of separation.

So

> > if

> > > you think you are a sage and still live as a separate person in

> > > thought, action and feeling, then perhaps you are not a sage

yet.

> > > Maybe you are one who believes himself or herself as someone

who

> > > understands what the state of a sage is, or who thinks he or

she

> > knows

> > > that there is no such thing as a sage.

> >

> > Maybe you get hung up on the productions of your own

> > mentation.

> >

> > -- Dan

>

> Logic says that we can never know if there is such thing as a real

> sage unless we become one ourselves.

 

Logic says you can only know a sage by comparison with a

nonsage.

 

Therefore, it is only by virtue of making someone a nonsage,

that someone can become a sage.

 

Therefore, to become a sage is an act of violence.

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Many sages are adamant on this point: they experience a state

> of no

> > > > separation while living in the phenomenal world of separation.

> So

> > > if

> > > > you think you are a sage and still live as a separate person in

> > > > thought, action and feeling, then perhaps you are not a sage

> yet.

> > > > Maybe you are one who believes himself or herself as someone

> who

> > > > understands what the state of a sage is, or who thinks he or

> she

> > > knows

> > > > that there is no such thing as a sage.

> > >

> > > Maybe you get hung up on the productions of your own

> > > mentation.

> > >

> > > -- Dan

> >

> > Logic says that we can never know if there is such thing as a real

> > sage unless we become one ourselves.

>

> Logic says you can only know a sage by comparison with a

> nonsage.

>

> Therefore, it is only by virtue of making someone a nonsage,

> that someone can become a sage.

>

> Therefore, to become a sage is an act of violence.

>

> -- Dan

 

Oh no, sir! Comparison is only violence when there is a belief in

otherness. A sage, free from such illusion, is free to compare his or

her state with his or her _previous_ state.

 

/AL

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

<dan330033>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Many sages are adamant on this point: they experience a

state

> > of no

> > > > > separation while living in the phenomenal world of

separation.

> > So

> > > > if

> > > > > you think you are a sage and still live as a separate

person in

> > > > > thought, action and feeling, then perhaps you are not a

sage

> > yet.

> > > > > Maybe you are one who believes himself or herself as

someone

> > who

> > > > > understands what the state of a sage is, or who thinks he

or

> > she

> > > > knows

> > > > > that there is no such thing as a sage.

> > > >

> > > > Maybe you get hung up on the productions of your own

> > > > mentation.

> > > >

> > > > -- Dan

> > >

> > > Logic says that we can never know if there is such thing as a

real

> > > sage unless we become one ourselves.

> >

> > Logic says you can only know a sage by comparison with a

> > nonsage.

> >

> > Therefore, it is only by virtue of making someone a nonsage,

> > that someone can become a sage.

> >

> > Therefore, to become a sage is an act of violence.

> >

> > -- Dan

>

> Oh no, sir! Comparison is only violence when there is a belief in

> otherness. A sage, free from such illusion, is free to compare his

or

> her state with his or her _previous_ state.

>

> /AL

 

Yes, you're really special, Anders.

 

Can we say ... " convenient " ?

 

As in: how convenient for me?

 

:-)

 

You think you're a sage, and you're going in

and out of states that you compare!

 

Really special and precious, you are!

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many sages are adamant on this point: they experience a

> state

> > > of no

> > > > > > separation while living in the phenomenal world of

> separation.

> > > So

> > > > > if

> > > > > > you think you are a sage and still live as a separate

> person in

> > > > > > thought, action and feeling, then perhaps you are not a

> sage

> > > yet.

> > > > > > Maybe you are one who believes himself or herself as

> someone

> > > who

> > > > > > understands what the state of a sage is, or who thinks he

> or

> > > she

> > > > > knows

> > > > > > that there is no such thing as a sage.

> > > > >

> > > > > Maybe you get hung up on the productions of your own

> > > > > mentation.

> > > > >

> > > > > -- Dan

> > > >

> > > > Logic says that we can never know if there is such thing as a

> real

> > > > sage unless we become one ourselves.

> > >

> > > Logic says you can only know a sage by comparison with a

> > > nonsage.

> > >

> > > Therefore, it is only by virtue of making someone a nonsage,

> > > that someone can become a sage.

> > >

> > > Therefore, to become a sage is an act of violence.

> > >

> > > -- Dan

> >

> > Oh no, sir! Comparison is only violence when there is a belief in

> > otherness. A sage, free from such illusion, is free to compare his

> or

> > her state with his or her _previous_ state.

> >

> > /AL

>

> Yes, you're really special, Anders.

>

> Can we say ... " convenient " ?

>

> As in: how convenient for me?

>

> :-)

>

> You think you're a sage, and you're going in

> and out of states that you compare!

>

> Really special and precious, you are!

>

> -- Dan

 

I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when you

enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state.

 

/AL

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> > <dan330033>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Many sages are adamant on this point: they experience a

> > state

> > > > of no

> > > > > > > separation while living in the phenomenal world of

> > separation.

> > > > So

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > you think you are a sage and still live as a separate

> > person in

> > > > > > > thought, action and feeling, then perhaps you are not a

> > sage

> > > > yet.

> > > > > > > Maybe you are one who believes himself or herself as

> > someone

> > > > who

> > > > > > > understands what the state of a sage is, or who thinks he

> > or

> > > > she

> > > > > > knows

> > > > > > > that there is no such thing as a sage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Maybe you get hung up on the productions of your own

> > > > > > mentation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -- Dan

> > > > >

> > > > > Logic says that we can never know if there is such thing as a

> > real

> > > > > sage unless we become one ourselves.

> > > >

> > > > Logic says you can only know a sage by comparison with a

> > > > nonsage.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore, it is only by virtue of making someone a nonsage,

> > > > that someone can become a sage.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore, to become a sage is an act of violence.

> > > >

> > > > -- Dan

> > >

> > > Oh no, sir! Comparison is only violence when there is a belief in

> > > otherness. A sage, free from such illusion, is free to compare his

> > or

> > > her state with his or her _previous_ state.

> > >

> > > /AL

> >

> > Yes, you're really special, Anders.

> >

> > Can we say ... " convenient " ?

> >

> > As in: how convenient for me?

> >

> > :-)

> >

> > You think you're a sage, and you're going in

> > and out of states that you compare!

> >

> > Really special and precious, you are!

> >

> > -- Dan

>

> I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when you

> enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state.

>

> /AL

 

 

With enlightenment...there is no person...no locus....no center ...in which

fearlessness

could occur.

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

 

>

>

> With enlightenment...there is no person...no locus....no

center ...in which fearlessness

> could occur.

>

>

> toombaru

 

How about the taste of a margarita?

 

Joe

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

 

> I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when

you

> enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state.

>

> /AL

 

Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you.

 

Not.

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> > > <dan330033>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Many sages are adamant on this point: they experience a

> > > state

> > > > > of no

> > > > > > > > separation while living in the phenomenal world of

> > > separation.

> > > > > So

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > you think you are a sage and still live as a separate

> > > person in

> > > > > > > > thought, action and feeling, then perhaps you are not a

> > > sage

> > > > > yet.

> > > > > > > > Maybe you are one who believes himself or herself as

> > > someone

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > > understands what the state of a sage is, or who thinks he

> > > or

> > > > > she

> > > > > > > knows

> > > > > > > > that there is no such thing as a sage.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Maybe you get hung up on the productions of your own

> > > > > > > mentation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -- Dan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Logic says that we can never know if there is such thing as a

> > > real

> > > > > > sage unless we become one ourselves.

> > > > >

> > > > > Logic says you can only know a sage by comparison with a

> > > > > nonsage.

> > > > >

> > > > > Therefore, it is only by virtue of making someone a nonsage,

> > > > > that someone can become a sage.

> > > > >

> > > > > Therefore, to become a sage is an act of violence.

> > > > >

> > > > > -- Dan

> > > >

> > > > Oh no, sir! Comparison is only violence when there is a belief in

> > > > otherness. A sage, free from such illusion, is free to compare

his

> > > or

> > > > her state with his or her _previous_ state.

> > > >

> > > > /AL

> > >

> > > Yes, you're really special, Anders.

> > >

> > > Can we say ... " convenient " ?

> > >

> > > As in: how convenient for me?

> > >

> > > :-)

> > >

> > > You think you're a sage, and you're going in

> > > and out of states that you compare!

> > >

> > > Really special and precious, you are!

> > >

> > > -- Dan

> >

> > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when you

> > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state.

> >

> > /AL

>

>

> With enlightenment...there is no person...no locus....no center

....in which fearlessness

> could occur.

>

>

> toombaru

 

When I will become enlightened I will still be here, only without a

separate self.

 

/AL

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Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

> >

>

> >

> >

> > With enlightenment...there is no person...no locus....no

> center ...in which fearlessness

> > could occur.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> How about the taste of a margarita?

>

> Joe

 

Exacly. What would be the taste of a margarita without awareness? Ok,

no person, no separate self, I can understand that, but awareness will

still be there, free as a bird in the sky.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

>

> > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when

> you

> > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state.

> >

> > /AL

>

> Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you.

>

> Not.

>

> -- Dan

 

Outsource all holding to God.

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> > > > <dan330033>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Many sages are adamant on this point: they experience a

> > > > state

> > > > > > of no

> > > > > > > > > separation while living in the phenomenal world of

> > > > separation.

> > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > you think you are a sage and still live as a separate

> > > > person in

> > > > > > > > > thought, action and feeling, then perhaps you are not a

> > > > sage

> > > > > > yet.

> > > > > > > > > Maybe you are one who believes himself or herself as

> > > > someone

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > understands what the state of a sage is, or who thinks he

> > > > or

> > > > > > she

> > > > > > > > knows

> > > > > > > > > that there is no such thing as a sage.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Maybe you get hung up on the productions of your own

> > > > > > > > mentation.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -- Dan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Logic says that we can never know if there is such thing as a

> > > > real

> > > > > > > sage unless we become one ourselves.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Logic says you can only know a sage by comparison with a

> > > > > > nonsage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Therefore, it is only by virtue of making someone a nonsage,

> > > > > > that someone can become a sage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Therefore, to become a sage is an act of violence.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -- Dan

> > > > >

> > > > > Oh no, sir! Comparison is only violence when there is a belief in

> > > > > otherness. A sage, free from such illusion, is free to compare

> his

> > > > or

> > > > > her state with his or her _previous_ state.

> > > > >

> > > > > /AL

> > > >

> > > > Yes, you're really special, Anders.

> > > >

> > > > Can we say ... " convenient " ?

> > > >

> > > > As in: how convenient for me?

> > > >

> > > > :-)

> > > >

> > > > You think you're a sage, and you're going in

> > > > and out of states that you compare!

> > > >

> > > > Really special and precious, you are!

> > > >

> > > > -- Dan

> > >

> > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when you

> > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state.

> > >

> > > /AL

> >

> >

> > With enlightenment...there is no person...no locus....no center

> ...in which fearlessness

> > could occur.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> When I will become enlightened I will still be here, only without a

> separate self.

>

> /AL

 

 

 

 

That is what your self needs to believe..........but...it is not true.

 

 

t.

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

> > >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > With enlightenment...there is no person...no locus....no

> > center ...in which fearlessness

> > > could occur.

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > How about the taste of a margarita?

> >

> > Joe

>

> Exacly. What would be the taste of a margarita without awareness? Ok,

> no person, no separate self, I can understand that, but awareness will

> still be there, free as a bird in the sky.

 

 

 

A bird....in the sky.....is not free.

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when

> > you

> > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state.

> > >

> > > /AL

> >

> > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you.

> >

> > Not.

> >

> > -- Dan

>

> Outsource all holding to God

 

 

 

 

......whatever you conceive him to be.

 

 

t.

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > With enlightenment...there is no person...no locus....no

> > > center ...in which fearlessness

> > > > could occur.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > > How about the taste of a margarita?

> > >

> > > Joe

> >

> > Exacly. What would be the taste of a margarita without awareness? Ok,

> > no person, no separate self, I can understand that, but awareness will

> > still be there, free as a bird in the sky.

>

>

>

> A bird....in the sky.....is not free.

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

Well, free as a movie star then.

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > >

> > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when

> > > you

> > > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state.

> > > >

> > > > /AL

> > >

> > > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you.

> > >

> > > Not.

> > >

> > > -- Dan

> >

> > Outsource all holding to God

>

>

>

>

> .....whatever you conceive him to be.

>

>

> t.

 

God is the whole business, the true Being.

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > With enlightenment...there is no person...no locus....no

> > > > center ...in which fearlessness

> > > > > could occur.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > > > How about the taste of a margarita?

> > > >

> > > > Joe

> > >

> > > Exacly. What would be the taste of a margarita without awareness? Ok,

> > > no person, no separate self, I can understand that, but awareness will

> > > still be there, free as a bird in the sky.

> >

> >

> >

> > A bird....in the sky.....is not free.

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> Well, free as a movie star then.

 

 

 

:-)

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that when

> > > > you

> > > > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful state.

> > > > >

> > > > > /AL

> > > >

> > > > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you.

> > > >

> > > > Not.

> > > >

> > > > -- Dan

> > >

> > > Outsource all holding to God

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > .....whatever you conceive him to be.

> >

> >

> > t.

>

> God is the whole business, the true Being.

 

 

 

 

.......as opposed to the false being?

 

 

t.

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and

that when

> > > > > you

> > > > > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful

state.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > /AL

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Not.

> > > > >

> > > > > -- Dan

> > > >

> > > > Outsource all holding to God

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > .....whatever you conceive him to be.

> > >

> > >

> > > t.

> >

> > God is the whole business, the true Being.

>

>

>

>

> ......as opposed to the false being?

>

>

> t.

 

Yes, a belief in being a separate self is a part of what is, and of

course is also being, but an illusionary kind of being. :---)

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that

when

> > you

> > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful

state.

> > >

> > > /AL

> >

> > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you.

> >

> > Not.

> >

> > -- Dan

>

> Outsource all holding to God.

 

There is no outsource or insource.

 

You're having too much fun with the products

of your mentation, in my opinion, Anders.

 

It goes 'round and 'round, and as long as you

convince yourself it's fascinating, you

add investment that keeps it spinning.

 

And that what you're stuck with.

 

But it's all you know, and all you know to do.

 

So no blame.

 

It's just that if you once and for all get sick of

it, you might really look into it, and then

see what you prevented yourself from seeing before.

 

When you're ready to be clear on futility.

 

It's not a word game, not a game of fascinating

ideas, and takes heart and soul, so

to speak, all of you, in other words.

 

-- Dan

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > >

> > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and that

> when

> > > you

> > > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful

> state.

> > > >

> > > > /AL

> > >

> > > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you.

> > >

> > > Not.

> > >

> > > -- Dan

> >

> > Outsource all holding to God.

>

> There is no outsource or insource.

>

> You're having too much fun with the products

> of your mentation, in my opinion, Anders.

>

> It goes 'round and 'round, and as long as you

> convince yourself it's fascinating, you

> add investment that keeps it spinning.

>

> And that what you're stuck with.

>

> But it's all you know, and all you know to do.

>

> So no blame.

>

> It's just that if you once and for all get sick of

> it, you might really look into it, and then

> see what you prevented yourself from seeing before.

>

> When you're ready to be clear on futility.

>

> It's not a word game, not a game of fascinating

> ideas, and takes heart and soul, so

> to speak, all of you, in other words.

>

> -- Dan

 

Seeing the futility of personal control _is_ the start of the

outsourcing to God.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

<dan330033>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and

that

> > when

> > > > you

> > > > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful

> > state.

> > > > >

> > > > > /AL

> > > >

> > > > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you.

> > > >

> > > > Not.

> > > >

> > > > -- Dan

> > >

> > > Outsource all holding to God.

> >

> > There is no outsource or insource.

> >

> > You're having too much fun with the products

> > of your mentation, in my opinion, Anders.

> >

> > It goes 'round and 'round, and as long as you

> > convince yourself it's fascinating, you

> > add investment that keeps it spinning.

> >

> > And that what you're stuck with.

> >

> > But it's all you know, and all you know to do.

> >

> > So no blame.

> >

> > It's just that if you once and for all get sick of

> > it, you might really look into it, and then

> > see what you prevented yourself from seeing before.

> >

> > When you're ready to be clear on futility.

> >

> > It's not a word game, not a game of fascinating

> > ideas, and takes heart and soul, so

> > to speak, all of you, in other words.

> >

> > -- Dan

>

> Seeing the futility of personal control _is_ the start of the

> outsourcing to God.

 

There is nothing to outsource to.

 

Thinking you can outsource personal control, is an attempt

at maintaining control, just distorted by a concept

of ultimacy to which it supposedly is turned over.

 

There never has been any separative self which had control,

which could be turned over somewhere else.

 

-- Dan

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and

> that

> > > when

> > > > > you

> > > > > > enter that state there is no turning back into the fearful

> > > state.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > /AL

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Not.

> > > > >

> > > > > -- Dan

> > > >

> > > > Outsource all holding to God.

> > >

> > > There is no outsource or insource.

> > >

> > > You're having too much fun with the products

> > > of your mentation, in my opinion, Anders.

> > >

> > > It goes 'round and 'round, and as long as you

> > > convince yourself it's fascinating, you

> > > add investment that keeps it spinning.

> > >

> > > And that what you're stuck with.

> > >

> > > But it's all you know, and all you know to do.

> > >

> > > So no blame.

> > >

> > > It's just that if you once and for all get sick of

> > > it, you might really look into it, and then

> > > see what you prevented yourself from seeing before.

> > >

> > > When you're ready to be clear on futility.

> > >

> > > It's not a word game, not a game of fascinating

> > > ideas, and takes heart and soul, so

> > > to speak, all of you, in other words.

> > >

> > > -- Dan

> >

> > Seeing the futility of personal control _is_ the start of the

> > outsourcing to God.

>

> There is nothing to outsource to.

>

> Thinking you can outsource personal control, is an attempt

> at maintaining control, just distorted by a concept

> of ultimacy to which it supposedly is turned over.

>

> There never has been any separative self which had control,

> which could be turned over somewhere else.

>

> -- Dan

 

The writer said " the start of the outsourcing to God " as in the

recognition that God is the whole power.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

<dan330033>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> > <dan330033>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and

> > that

> > > > when

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > enter that state there is no turning back into the

fearful

> > > > state.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > /AL

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -- Dan

> > > > >

> > > > > Outsource all holding to God.

> > > >

> > > > There is no outsource or insource.

> > > >

> > > > You're having too much fun with the products

> > > > of your mentation, in my opinion, Anders.

> > > >

> > > > It goes 'round and 'round, and as long as you

> > > > convince yourself it's fascinating, you

> > > > add investment that keeps it spinning.

> > > >

> > > > And that what you're stuck with.

> > > >

> > > > But it's all you know, and all you know to do.

> > > >

> > > > So no blame.

> > > >

> > > > It's just that if you once and for all get sick of

> > > > it, you might really look into it, and then

> > > > see what you prevented yourself from seeing before.

> > > >

> > > > When you're ready to be clear on futility.

> > > >

> > > > It's not a word game, not a game of fascinating

> > > > ideas, and takes heart and soul, so

> > > > to speak, all of you, in other words.

> > > >

> > > > -- Dan

> > >

> > > Seeing the futility of personal control _is_ the start of the

> > > outsourcing to God.

> >

> > There is nothing to outsource to.

> >

> > Thinking you can outsource personal control, is an attempt

> > at maintaining control, just distorted by a concept

> > of ultimacy to which it supposedly is turned over.

> >

> > There never has been any separative self which had control,

> > which could be turned over somewhere else.

> >

> > -- Dan

>

> The writer said " the start of the outsourcing to God " as in the

> recognition that God is the whole power.

 

Bologna piled on top of bologna, just gives more bologna.

 

Whew, the stench of bologna in this place is really awesome!

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> > > <dan330033>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I believe the state of a sage is a fearless state, and

> > > that

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > enter that state there is no turning back into the

> fearful

> > > > > state.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > /AL

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, holding onto that belief will do a lot for you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Not.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -- Dan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Outsource all holding to God.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no outsource or insource.

> > > > >

> > > > > You're having too much fun with the products

> > > > > of your mentation, in my opinion, Anders.

> > > > >

> > > > > It goes 'round and 'round, and as long as you

> > > > > convince yourself it's fascinating, you

> > > > > add investment that keeps it spinning.

> > > > >

> > > > > And that what you're stuck with.

> > > > >

> > > > > But it's all you know, and all you know to do.

> > > > >

> > > > > So no blame.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's just that if you once and for all get sick of

> > > > > it, you might really look into it, and then

> > > > > see what you prevented yourself from seeing before.

> > > > >

> > > > > When you're ready to be clear on futility.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's not a word game, not a game of fascinating

> > > > > ideas, and takes heart and soul, so

> > > > > to speak, all of you, in other words.

> > > > >

> > > > > -- Dan

> > > >

> > > > Seeing the futility of personal control _is_ the start of the

> > > > outsourcing to God.

> > >

> > > There is nothing to outsource to.

> > >

> > > Thinking you can outsource personal control, is an attempt

> > > at maintaining control, just distorted by a concept

> > > of ultimacy to which it supposedly is turned over.

> > >

> > > There never has been any separative self which had control,

> > > which could be turned over somewhere else.

> > >

> > > -- Dan

> >

> > The writer said " the start of the outsourcing to God " as in the

> > recognition that God is the whole power.

>

> Bologna piled on top of bologna, just gives more bologna.

>

> Whew, the stench of bologna in this place is really awesome!

 

Smell is a powerful way to show us that thinking is not all that we

are. We may think " bologna " when smelling bologna, but the thought is

not the smell itself. The map is not the territory. The menu is not

the dinner.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

 

>

> Smell is a powerful way to show us that thinking is not all that we

> are. We may think " bologna " when smelling bologna, but the thought

is

> not the smell itself. The map is not the territory. The menu is not

> the dinner.

 

The nausea is the nausea.