Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > adithya_comming wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dan330033 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Excellent quote, Werner. > > > > > > > > > > So many words have been said and written about this > > > > > " silence. " > > > > > > > > > > So many urgings provided to hear, to listen. > > > > > > > > > > But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of > > > > > the words, writings, practices, teachers can > > > > > ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine > > > > > talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its > > > > > avoided by the ones who never even have a thought > > > > > about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the > > > > > social and personal strivings of everyday life. > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > Hi Dan, > > > > > > > > Do you experience this silence? Is it possible for you to > speak of > > > the > > > > dying into the silence? Can you give us your experience of > dying > > > into > > > > the silence? > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > > > That is quite easy, Lewis. > > > > > > You just describe ...emptiness! > > > > > > ...or you can describe, how a mirage disappears, dyes into ...vast > > > emptiness. > > > > > > Or, you can look up the sky and ...see numerous stars. > > > > > > ...and, then get up in the morning, look into infinity and ...see > No > > > Stars! > > > > > > > > > Why, don't you try describing it, dear Lewis ? > > > > > > I for one, would be surely interested. > > > > > > > > > With warm regards, > > > ac. > > > > > > > > Which ac. silence or dying into silence? > > > > Lewis > > Thanks, Lewis. > > I was asking you to describe: > > **** > > > You just describe ...emptiness! > > > > ...or you can describe, how a mirage disappears, dyes into ...vast > > emptiness. > > > > Or, you can look up the sky and ...see numerous stars. > > > > ...and, then get up in the morning, look into infinity and ...see No > > Stars! > > > > *** > > Once, you describe thes, perhaps, we can also try to describe > silence / dying into silence. " Silence " is experiencing the slow and trembling formation of a tear in a child before it appears in her eye. I do not understand what " dying into silence " means without further elaboration by Dan, so I cannot describe if I have undergone this as said. Also, if silence means an interior quiet that is free from thought, then that is my common daily experience interrupted only by the demands requiring thought and even when thoughts flow out, the interior quiet remains in a darkness. I see what I imagine everyone else sees in terms of appearances and there is no thought about them until there is a need for it. I am able to see things without having thoughts about them that I am aware of. I just look at stuff and see it and see it or has I prefer to say to drink it, that is what it feels like. Nothing special in this it seems. I do not know how I became like this and it happened gradually, sometimes in fits and starts, until it became like it is now. I did not try to become this way. For many years I thought there was something wrong with me why I could not think like everyone else seemed to do with their brows furrowed and struggling to get something to come out of their head. Thoughts just come out as needed from a quiet darkness, just like when I talk. Did you ever watch how you talk, ac? Does not speech just come out from some unknown darkness or maybe blinding light? It just comes out as needed. How does it happen? Who knows? I do not know, it just does. I draw a complete blank, zero on it. That is the way my thoughts are, they just come out as needed and they fit the calls of the day, whatever it is. Otherwise, a big zero in the thought department. Is this what it means to be empty, ac? I like to look as my clothes are put on, how the hands do their work while looking in the mirror. Buttoning is my favorite and the tightening of the belt and then a pat. Why is that done? Don't know. Maybe my father did that. Don't remember. How is it done? I do not know and it is curious how the hands move and then the legs going out the bathroom and then the mouth speaks to call my son to go out to catch the bus. Everything is curious. Maybe I am crazy being like this. if what I experience is that silence that is spoken of here, I do not know what the secret is about silence. Someone will say something I suppose about my experience, but does it matter? But for me, one is like that or one is not, one may be a little like this or a lot like this or a lot like that or not at all. I asked a lot of people about and there are all kinds of answers to it and in the end does it matter? It did not matter to most people and only a few of the many wished they could stop thinking. What is so important about silence? It seems to be important but to me it is just the way some people are or can be. Traditions like Buddhism talk about and make it special. To me it seems ordinary. Ac. Is silence like this that I experience something special or just an aberration in brain functioning or something else, like a delusional state, or perhaps symptoms of a severe depression or completely imagined and hallucinatory? Does it matter what it is? It is the way I am right now. Who knows what will happen later? Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: What is so important about silence? It seems to be important > but to me it is just the way some people are or can be. Traditions like > Buddhism talk about and make it special. To me it seems ordinary. Ac. Is > silence like this that I experience something special or just an > aberration in brain functioning or something else, like a delusional > state, or perhaps symptoms of a severe depression or completely imagined > and hallucinatory? Most forms of Buddhism don't emphasize silence much. Krishnamurti was a big silence advocate. And that's how this whole discussion got started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 josesiem wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > What is so important about silence? It seems to be important > > but to me it is just the way some people are or can be. Traditions > like > > Buddhism talk about and make it special. To me it seems ordinary. > Ac. Is > > silence like this that I experience something special or just an > > aberration in brain functioning or something else, like a > delusional > > state, or perhaps symptoms of a severe depression or completely > imagined > > and hallucinatory? > > Most forms of Buddhism don't emphasize silence much. Krishnamurti was > a big silence advocate. And that's how this whole discussion got > started. Did not know that bit of information. Never read Krishnamurti. There seems to be some talk of it in infused contemplation of mystic Christian tradition and in some Buddhist sects there is that and these are before Krishnamurti. Maybe he applied it more than most moderns making it popular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 [.........] > > > " Silence " is experiencing the slow and trembling formation of a tear in > a child before it appears in her eye. > > I do not understand what " dying into silence " means without further > elaboration by Dan, so I cannot describe if I have undergone this as said. > > Also, if silence means an interior quiet that is free from thought, then > that is my common daily experience interrupted only by the demands > requiring thought and even when thoughts flow out, the interior quiet > remains in a darkness. I see what I imagine everyone else sees in terms > of appearances and there is no thought about them until there is a need > for it. I am able to see things without having thoughts about them that > I am aware of. I just look at stuff and see it and see it or has I > prefer to say to drink it, that is what it feels like. Nothing special > in this it seems. > > I do not know how I became like this and it happened gradually, > sometimes in fits and starts, until it became like it is now. I did not > try to become this way. For many years I thought there was something > wrong with me why I could not think like everyone else seemed to do with > their brows furrowed and struggling to get something to come out of > their head. Thoughts just come out as needed from a quiet darkness, just > like when I talk. Did you ever watch how you talk, ac? Does not speech > just come out from some unknown darkness or maybe blinding light? It > just comes out as needed. How does it happen? Who knows? I do not know, > it just does. I draw a complete blank, zero on it. That is the way my > thoughts are, they just come out as needed and they fit the calls of the > day, whatever it is. Otherwise, a big zero in the thought department. Is > this what it means to be empty, ac? > > I like to look as my clothes are put on, how the hands do their work > while looking in the mirror. Buttoning is my favorite and the tightening > of the belt and then a pat. Why is that done? Don't know. Maybe my > father did that. Don't remember. How is it done? I do not know and it is > curious how the hands move and then the legs going out the bathroom and > then the mouth speaks to call my son to go out to catch the bus. > Everything is curious. Maybe I am crazy being like this. > > if what I experience is that silence that is spoken of here, I do not > know what the secret is about silence. Someone will say something I > suppose about my experience, but does it matter? But for me, one is like > that or one is not, one may be a little like this or a lot like this or > a lot like that or not at all. I asked a lot of people about and there > are all kinds of answers to it and in the end does it matter? It did not > matter to most people and only a few of the many wished they could stop > thinking. What is so important about silence? It seems to be important > but to me it is just the way some people are or can be. Traditions like > Buddhism talk about and make it special. To me it seems ordinary. Ac. Is > silence like this that I experience something special or just an > aberration in brain functioning or something else, like a delusional > state, or perhaps symptoms of a severe depression or completely imagined > and hallucinatory? Does it matter what it is? It is the way I am right > now. Who knows what will happen later? Thank you, Lewis ! The Master said, if you have: ------ Peace of Mind, ... and, ------ Consciousness. Then, ....what you are *looking for* ? Is this peace of mind, ...Not Steady ? ....is it Fleeting ? If that is the case, ...it might require some practice. But, If the peace of mind is already Steady, ...why you are bothered with what is Silence, noise and ...dying into Silence ? > > Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 > > > > Thank you, Lewis ! > > The Master said, if you have: > > ------ Peace of Mind, ... and, > > > ------ Consciousness. > > > Then, > > ...what you are *looking for* ? > > > Is this peace of mind, ...Not Steady ? > ...is it Fleeting ? > > If that is the case, ...it might require some practice. > Practicing silence........is as difficult as thinking about thoughts. toombaru > > But, If the peace of mind is already Steady, ...why you are bothered > with what is Silence, noise and ...dying into Silence ? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > adithya_comming wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > adithya_comming wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dan330033 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Excellent quote, Werner. > > > > > > > > > > > > So many words have been said and written about this > > > > > > " silence. " > > > > > > > > > > > > So many urgings provided to hear, to listen. > > > > > > > > > > > > But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of > > > > > > the words, writings, practices, teachers can > > > > > > ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine > > > > > > talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its > > > > > > avoided by the ones who never even have a thought > > > > > > about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the > > > > > > social and personal strivings of everyday life. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dan, > > > > > > > > > > Do you experience this silence? Is it possible for you to > > speak of > > > > the > > > > > dying into the silence? Can you give us your experience of > > dying > > > > into > > > > > the silence? > > > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > > > > > That is quite easy, Lewis. > > > > > > > > You just describe ...emptiness! > > > > > > > > ...or you can describe, how a mirage disappears, dyes into ....vast > > > > emptiness. > > > > > > > > Or, you can look up the sky and ...see numerous stars. > > > > > > > > ...and, then get up in the morning, look into infinity and ...see > > No > > > > Stars! > > > > > > > > > > > > Why, don't you try describing it, dear Lewis ? > > > > > > > > I for one, would be surely interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > With warm regards, > > > > ac. > > > > > > > > > > > > Which ac. silence or dying into silence? > > > > > > Lewis > > > > Thanks, Lewis. > > > > I was asking you to describe: > > > > **** > > > > > You just describe ...emptiness! > > > > > > ...or you can describe, how a mirage disappears, dyes into ...vast > > > emptiness. > > > > > > Or, you can look up the sky and ...see numerous stars. > > > > > > ...and, then get up in the morning, look into infinity and ....see No > > > Stars! > > > > > > > *** > > > > Once, you describe thes, perhaps, we can also try to describe > > silence / dying into silence. > > > " Silence " is experiencing the slow and trembling formation of a tear in > a child before it appears in her eye. > > I do not understand what " dying into silence " means without further > elaboration by Dan, so I cannot describe if I have undergone this as said. > > Also, if silence means an interior quiet that is free from thought, then > that is my common daily experience interrupted only by the demands > requiring thought and even when thoughts flow out, the interior quiet > remains in a darkness. I see what I imagine everyone else sees in terms > of appearances and there is no thought about them until there is a need > for it. I am able to see things without having thoughts about them that > I am aware of. I just look at stuff and see it and see it or has I > prefer to say to drink it, that is what it feels like. Nothing special > in this it seems. > > I do not know how I became like this and it happened gradually, > sometimes in fits and starts, until it became like it is now. I did not > try to become this way. For many years I thought there was something > wrong with me why I could not think like everyone else seemed to do with > their brows furrowed and struggling to get something to come out of > their head. Thoughts just come out as needed from a quiet darkness, just > like when I talk. Did you ever watch how you talk, ac? Does not speech > just come out from some unknown darkness or maybe blinding light? It > just comes out as needed. How does it happen? Who knows? I do not know, > it just does. I draw a complete blank, zero on it. That is the way my > thoughts are, they just come out as needed and they fit the calls of the > day, whatever it is. Otherwise, a big zero in the thought department. Is > this what it means to be empty, ac? > > I like to look as my clothes are put on, how the hands do their work > while looking in the mirror. Buttoning is my favorite and the tightening > of the belt and then a pat. Why is that done? Don't know. Maybe my > father did that. Don't remember. How is it done? I do not know and it is > curious how the hands move and then the legs going out the bathroom and > then the mouth speaks to call my son to go out to catch the bus. > Everything is curious. Maybe I am crazy being like this. > > if what I experience is that silence that is spoken of here, I do not > know what the secret is about silence. Someone will say something I > suppose about my experience, but does it matter? But for me, one is like > that or one is not, one may be a little like this or a lot like this or > a lot like that or not at all. I asked a lot of people about and there > are all kinds of answers to it and in the end does it matter? It did not > matter to most people and only a few of the many wished they could stop > thinking. What is so important about silence? It seems to be important > but to me it is just the way some people are or can be. Traditions like > Buddhism talk about and make it special. To me it seems ordinary. Ac. Is > silence like this that I experience something special or just an > aberration in brain functioning or something else, like a delusional > state, or perhaps symptoms of a severe depression or completely imagined > and hallucinatory? Does it matter what it is? It is the way I am right > now. Who knows what will happen later? > > Lewis Interesting that you experience silence as in the absence of compulsive non-stop thinking. However, are you also experiencing silence in the entire emotional field? You asked what is important about silence, and my idea is that profound silence is the same as true peace and clarity; a lightness in body, clear perception and sheer joy of vibrant conflictless feelings. For me, thinking is strongly related to my feelings in the whole body and mind and also even the sensing of the world " outside " the body as an extension of the emotional field. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 adithya_comming wrote: > > [.........] > > > > > > " Silence " is experiencing the slow and trembling formation of a > tear in > > a child before it appears in her eye. > > > > I do not understand what " dying into silence " means without further > > elaboration by Dan, so I cannot describe if I have undergone this > as said. > > > > Also, if silence means an interior quiet that is free from thought, > then > > that is my common daily experience interrupted only by the demands > > requiring thought and even when thoughts flow out, the interior > quiet > > remains in a darkness. I see what I imagine everyone else sees in > terms > > of appearances and there is no thought about them until there is a > need > > for it. I am able to see things without having thoughts about them > that > > I am aware of. I just look at stuff and see it and see it or has I > > prefer to say to drink it, that is what it feels like. Nothing > special > > in this it seems. > > > > I do not know how I became like this and it happened gradually, > > sometimes in fits and starts, until it became like it is now. I did > not > > try to become this way. For many years I thought there was > something > > wrong with me why I could not think like everyone else seemed to do > with > > their brows furrowed and struggling to get something to come out of > > their head. Thoughts just come out as needed from a quiet darkness, > just > > like when I talk. Did you ever watch how you talk, ac? Does not > speech > > just come out from some unknown darkness or maybe blinding light? > It > > just comes out as needed. How does it happen? Who knows? I do not > know, > > it just does. I draw a complete blank, zero on it. That is the way > my > > thoughts are, they just come out as needed and they fit the calls > of the > > day, whatever it is. Otherwise, a big zero in the thought > department. Is > > this what it means to be empty, ac? > > > > I like to look as my clothes are put on, how the hands do their > work > > while looking in the mirror. Buttoning is my favorite and the > tightening > > of the belt and then a pat. Why is that done? Don't know. Maybe my > > father did that. Don't remember. How is it done? I do not know and > it is > > curious how the hands move and then the legs going out the bathroom > and > > then the mouth speaks to call my son to go out to catch the bus. > > Everything is curious. Maybe I am crazy being like this. > > > > if what I experience is that silence that is spoken of here, I do > not > > know what the secret is about silence. Someone will say something I > > suppose about my experience, but does it matter? But for me, one is > like > > that or one is not, one may be a little like this or a lot like > this or > > a lot like that or not at all. I asked a lot of people about and > there > > are all kinds of answers to it and in the end does it matter? It > did not > > matter to most people and only a few of the many wished they could > stop > > thinking. What is so important about silence? It seems to be > important > > but to me it is just the way some people are or can be. Traditions > like > > Buddhism talk about and make it special. To me it seems ordinary. > Ac. Is > > silence like this that I experience something special or just an > > aberration in brain functioning or something else, like a > delusional > > state, or perhaps symptoms of a severe depression or completely > imagined > > and hallucinatory? Does it matter what it is? It is the way I am > right > > now. Who knows what will happen later? > > > > > > Thank you, Lewis ! > > The Master said, if you have: > > ------ Peace of Mind, ... and, > > > ------ Consciousness. > > > Then, > > ...what you are *looking for* ? > > > Is this peace of mind, ...Not Steady ? > ...is it Fleeting ? > > If that is the case, ...it might require some practice. > > > But, If the peace of mind is already Steady, ...why you are bothered > with what is Silence, noise and ...dying into Silence ? > > > > > Lewis I am not. Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Lewis ! > > > > The Master said, if you have: > > > > ------ Peace of Mind, ... and, > > > > > > ------ Consciousness. > > > > > > Then, > > > > ...what you are *looking for* ? > > > > > > Is this peace of mind, ...Not Steady ? > > ...is it Fleeting ? > > > > If that is the case, ...it might require some practice. > Practicing silence........is as difficult as thinking about thoughts. > > Thanks, Toom ! I was talking about, ...making the mind steady. > > > > > > > > > But, If the peace of mind is already Steady, ...why you are bothered > > with what is Silence, noise and ...dying into Silence ? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Lewis ! > > > > > > The Master said, if you have: > > > > > > ------ Peace of Mind, ... and, > > > > > > > > > ------ Consciousness. > > > > > > > > > Then, > > > > > > ...what you are *looking for* ? > > > > > > > > > Is this peace of mind, ...Not Steady ? > > > ...is it Fleeting ? > > > > > > If that is the case, ...it might require some practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Practicing silence........is as difficult as thinking about > thoughts. > > > > > > Thanks, Toom ! > > I was talking about, ...making the mind steady. The mind can make itself steady? t. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, If the peace of mind is already Steady, ...why you are > bothered > > > with what is Silence, noise and ...dying into Silence ? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Lewis ! > > > > > > > > The Master said, if you have: > > > > > > > > ------ Peace of Mind, ... and, > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ Consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, > > > > > > > > ...what you are *looking for* ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this peace of mind, ...Not Steady ? > > > > ...is it Fleeting ? > > > > > > > > If that is the case, ...it might require some practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Practicing silence........is as difficult as thinking about > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Toom ! > > > > I was talking about, ...making the mind steady. > > > > > The mind can make itself steady? ....is it " Mind " which is ... Aware ...of Mind? Is it ...'Mind' ...that *sees* Mind wandering ? Is it ...'Mind' ..that is " aware " ...of being calm, still, ...peaceful ? > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, If the peace of mind is already Steady, ...why you are > > bothered > > > > with what is Silence, noise and ...dying into Silence ? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Lewis ! > > > > > > > > > > The Master said, if you have: > > > > > > > > > > ------ Peace of Mind, ... and, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ Consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, > > > > > > > > > > ...what you are *looking for* ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this peace of mind, ...Not Steady ? > > > > > ...is it Fleeting ? > > > > > > > > > > If that is the case, ...it might require some practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Practicing silence........is as difficult as thinking about > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Toom ! > > > > > > I was talking about, ...making the mind steady. > > > > > > > > > > The mind can make itself steady? > > ...is it " Mind " which is ... Aware ...of Mind? > > > Is it ...'Mind' ...that *sees* Mind wandering ? > > > Is it ...'Mind' ..that is " aware " ...of being calm, > still, ...peaceful ? > " Mind " is an adjective. ...it is a description ...........not a thing. Can an adjective " do " anything? toombaru > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, If the peace of mind is already Steady, ...why you are > > > bothered > > > > > with what is Silence, noise and ...dying into Silence ? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 anders_lindman wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > adithya_comming wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > adithya_comming wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dan330033 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Excellent quote, Werner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So many words have been said and written about this > > > > > > > " silence. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So many urgings provided to hear, to listen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of > > > > > > > the words, writings, practices, teachers can > > > > > > > ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine > > > > > > > talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its > > > > > > > avoided by the ones who never even have a thought > > > > > > > about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the > > > > > > > social and personal strivings of everyday life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dan, > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you experience this silence? Is it possible for you to > > > speak of > > > > > the > > > > > > dying into the silence? Can you give us your experience of > > > dying > > > > > into > > > > > > the silence? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > > > > > > > That is quite easy, Lewis. > > > > > > > > > > You just describe ...emptiness! > > > > > > > > > > ...or you can describe, how a mirage disappears, dyes into > ...vast > > > > > emptiness. > > > > > > > > > > Or, you can look up the sky and ...see numerous stars. > > > > > > > > > > ...and, then get up in the morning, look into infinity and ...see > > > No > > > > > Stars! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why, don't you try describing it, dear Lewis ? > > > > > > > > > > I for one, would be surely interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With warm regards, > > > > > ac. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which ac. silence or dying into silence? > > > > > > > > Lewis > > > > > > Thanks, Lewis. > > > > > > I was asking you to describe: > > > > > > **** > > > > > > > You just describe ...emptiness! > > > > > > > > ...or you can describe, how a mirage disappears, dyes into ...vast > > > > emptiness. > > > > > > > > Or, you can look up the sky and ...see numerous stars. > > > > > > > > ...and, then get up in the morning, look into infinity and > ...see No > > > > Stars! > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > Once, you describe thes, perhaps, we can also try to describe > > > silence / dying into silence. > > > > > > " Silence " is experiencing the slow and trembling formation of a tear in > > a child before it appears in her eye. > > > > I do not understand what " dying into silence " means without further > > elaboration by Dan, so I cannot describe if I have undergone this as > said. > > > > Also, if silence means an interior quiet that is free from thought, > then > > that is my common daily experience interrupted only by the demands > > requiring thought and even when thoughts flow out, the interior quiet > > remains in a darkness. I see what I imagine everyone else sees in terms > > of appearances and there is no thought about them until there is a need > > for it. I am able to see things without having thoughts about them that > > I am aware of. I just look at stuff and see it and see it or has I > > prefer to say to drink it, that is what it feels like. Nothing special > > in this it seems. > > > > I do not know how I became like this and it happened gradually, > > sometimes in fits and starts, until it became like it is now. I did not > > try to become this way. For many years I thought there was something > > wrong with me why I could not think like everyone else seemed to do > with > > their brows furrowed and struggling to get something to come out of > > their head. Thoughts just come out as needed from a quiet darkness, > just > > like when I talk. Did you ever watch how you talk, ac? Does not speech > > just come out from some unknown darkness or maybe blinding light? It > > just comes out as needed. How does it happen? Who knows? I do not > know, > > it just does. I draw a complete blank, zero on it. That is the way my > > thoughts are, they just come out as needed and they fit the calls of > the > > day, whatever it is. Otherwise, a big zero in the thought > department. Is > > this what it means to be empty, ac? > > > > I like to look as my clothes are put on, how the hands do their work > > while looking in the mirror. Buttoning is my favorite and the > tightening > > of the belt and then a pat. Why is that done? Don't know. Maybe my > > father did that. Don't remember. How is it done? I do not know and > it is > > curious how the hands move and then the legs going out the bathroom and > > then the mouth speaks to call my son to go out to catch the bus. > > Everything is curious. Maybe I am crazy being like this. > > > > if what I experience is that silence that is spoken of here, I do not > > know what the secret is about silence. Someone will say something I > > suppose about my experience, but does it matter? But for me, one is > like > > that or one is not, one may be a little like this or a lot like this or > > a lot like that or not at all. I asked a lot of people about and there > > are all kinds of answers to it and in the end does it matter? It did > not > > matter to most people and only a few of the many wished they could stop > > thinking. What is so important about silence? It seems to be important > > but to me it is just the way some people are or can be. Traditions like > > Buddhism talk about and make it special. To me it seems ordinary. > Ac. Is > > silence like this that I experience something special or just an > > aberration in brain functioning or something else, like a delusional > > state, or perhaps symptoms of a severe depression or completely > imagined > > and hallucinatory? Does it matter what it is? It is the way I am right > > now. Who knows what will happen later? > > > > Lewis > > Interesting that you experience silence as in the absence of > compulsive non-stop thinking. However, are you also experiencing > silence in the entire emotional field? You asked what is important > about silence, and my idea is that profound silence is the same as > true peace and clarity; a lightness in body, clear perception and > sheer joy of vibrant conflictless feelings. For me, thinking is > strongly related to my feelings in the whole body and mind and also > even the sensing of the world " outside " the body as an extension of > the emotional field. > > /AL You missed it Anders. Try reading slowly. In my case, the " absence of compulsive non-stop thinking " has little to do with " silence. " For me, it is " the interior quiet that remains in a darkness " regardless of whether thinking is going on or not or any other going on. I imagine nothing about it for it is impenetrable by anything so it seems to be. 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 [......] > > > > > Practicing silence........is as difficult as thinking about > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Toom ! > > > > > > > > I was talking about, ...making the mind steady. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind can make itself steady? > > > > ...is it " Mind " which is ... Aware ...of Mind? > > > > > > Is it ...'Mind' ...that *sees* Mind wandering ? > > > > > > Is it ...'Mind' ..that is " aware " ...of being calm, > > still, ...peaceful ? > > > > > " Mind " is an adjective. > > ..it is a description ...........not a thing. > > Can an adjective " do " anything? Which `dictionary' you follow, Toom ? Mind: ..... The faculty of thinking, reasoning, and applying knowledge. ...... http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > [......] > > > > > > > > Practicing silence........is as difficult as thinking about > > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Toom ! > > > > > > > > > > I was talking about, ...making the mind steady. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind can make itself steady? > > > > > > ...is it " Mind " which is ... Aware ...of Mind? > > > > > > > > > Is it ...'Mind' ...that *sees* Mind wandering ? > > > > > > > > > Is it ...'Mind' ..that is " aware " ...of being calm, > > > still, ...peaceful ? > > > > > > > > > " Mind " is an adjective. > > > > ..it is a description ...........not a thing. > > > > Can an adjective " do " anything? > > Which `dictionary' you follow, Toom ? > > Mind: > > .... > > The faculty of thinking, reasoning, and applying knowledge. > > ..... > > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Mind Do you believe that what you are seeking is available in a dictionary? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> > wrote: > > > > [......] > > > > > > > > > > > Practicing silence........is as difficult as thinking about > > > > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Toom ! > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking about, ...making the mind steady. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind can make itself steady? > > > > > > > > ...is it " Mind " which is ... Aware ...of Mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it ...'Mind' ...that *sees* Mind wandering ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it ...'Mind' ..that is " aware " ...of being calm, > > > > still, ...peaceful ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Mind " is an adjective. > > > > > > ..it is a description ...........not a thing. > > > > > > Can an adjective " do " anything? > > > > Which `dictionary' you follow, Toom ? > > > > Mind: > > > > .... > > > > The faculty of thinking, reasoning, and applying knowledge. > > > > ..... > > > > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Mind > > > > > > Do you believe that what you are seeking is available in a dictionary? First of all, Do you know, if I am *SEEKING*, Toom? Second, ...do you think, ...I am seeking ...'Mind' ? .. .... ...... But, that apart, I am ok with using `words' as they are commonly understood and defined. regards, ac. > > > toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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