Guest guest Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 The waves of mind demand so much of Silence. But she does not talk back does not give answers nor arguments She is the hidden author of every thought every feeling every moment. Silence. She speaks only one word. And that word is this very existence. No name you give Her touches Her captures Her. No understanding can embrace Her. Mind throws itself at Silence demanding to be let in. But no mind can enter into Her radiant darkness Her pure and smiling nothingness. The mind hurls itself into sacred questions. But silence remains unmoved by the tantrums. She asks only for nothing. Nothing. But you won't give it to Her because it is the last coin in your pocket. And you would rather give her your demands than your sacred and empty hands. › Everything leaps out in celebration of mystery, but only nothing enters the sacred source, the silent substance. Only nothing gets touched and becomes sacred, realizes its own divinity realizes what it is without the aid of a single thought. Silence is my secret. Not hidden. Not hidden. --Adyashanti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Excellent quote, Werner. So many words have been said and written about this " silence. " So many urgings provided to hear, to listen. But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of the words, writings, practices, teachers can ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its avoided by the ones who never even have a thought about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the social and personal strivings of everyday life. -- Dan (nothing new below) Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Because of silence everything exists. But > we don't listen to silence because our ears > are full of the chatter of the mind. > > When you believe you love, or that you are > realizing the ideal, there is no silence, > because thought makes of the eternal silence > a plaything of the social, of the games of > envy, culture and the gods put together by > the mind and the hand. > > Silence is when you are, openly in > yourself and beside yourself, without demand > or frustration to achieve. Silence has no > social value whatsoever, it never seeks to > impress or influence, to guide or control. > > J. Krishnamurti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 dan330033 wrote: > > Excellent quote, Werner. > > So many words have been said and written about this > " silence. " > > So many urgings provided to hear, to listen. > > But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of > the words, writings, practices, teachers can > ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine > talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its > avoided by the ones who never even have a thought > about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the > social and personal strivings of everyday life. > > -- Dan Hi Dan, Do you experience this silence? Is it possible for you to speak of the dying into the silence? Can you give us your experience of dying into the silence? Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > dan330033 wrote: > > > > Excellent quote, Werner. > > > > So many words have been said and written about this > > " silence. " > > > > So many urgings provided to hear, to listen. > > > > But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of > > the words, writings, practices, teachers can > > ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine > > talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its > > avoided by the ones who never even have a thought > > about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the > > social and personal strivings of everyday life. > > > > -- Dan > > Hi Dan, > > Do you experience this silence? Is it possible for you to speak of the > dying into the silence? Can you give us your experience of dying into > the silence? > > Lewis Whenever words are used to describe an ineffable experience....The words shape our perception of what it is.....it then becomes a shell of what the words are attempting to convey. I believe that Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence...it can be heard ....between his words.......I also believe there are no words that he can use to share that...... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 > Whenever words are used to describe an ineffable experience....The words shape our perception of what it is.....it then becomes a shell of what the words are attempting to convey. > > I believe that Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence...it can be heard ...between his words.......I also believe there are no words that he can use to share that...... > > toombaru Like the little stream Making its way Through the mossy crevices I, too, quietly Turn clear and transparent ~Ryokan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 > Whenever words are used to describe an ineffable experience....The words > shape our perception of what it is.....it then becomes a shell of what > the words are attempting to convey. > > I believe that Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence...it can be > heard ...between his words.......I also believe there are no words that > he can use to share that...... > > toombaru Hi Toom, Yes, you are correct that words can shape our perception of what an ineffable experience is and that is always the case if they are allowed to do so. And they also can becomes a shell of what the words are attempting to convey if they are are allowed to become that. It is not necessarily so. I do not know if Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence. I do not imagine what Dan's experience is. And Toom, there are words that can be used to share that and they have been been shared for thousands of years. A sentence formed and used for conveying this experience is below. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ " Look how all of the trees, plants, flowers, blossoms, and grasses grow naturally, easily, without effort in a wondrous silence. " ~~~~~~~~~~~~ These words are not abstract and what they demonstrate is can be instantly perceived by looking at any living plant. " Dying to it " (silence) are Dan's words and an understanding of what he means by it seems to be more helpful coming from him than from imagination. Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > Whenever words are used to describe an ineffable experience....The words > > shape our perception of what it is.....it then becomes a shell of what > > the words are attempting to convey. > > > > I believe that Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence...it can be > > heard ...between his words.......I also believe there are no words that > > he can use to share that...... > > > > toombaru > > Hi Toom, > > Yes, you are correct that words can shape our perception of what an > ineffable experience is and that is always the case if they are allowed > to do so. And they also can becomes a shell of what the words are > attempting to convey if they are are allowed to become that. It is not > necessarily so. > > I do not know if Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence. I do not > imagine what Dan's experience is. And Toom, there are words that can be > used to share that and they have been been shared for thousands of > years. A sentence formed and used for conveying this experience is below. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > " Look how all of the trees, plants, flowers, blossoms, and grasses grow > naturally, easily, without effort in a wondrous silence. " > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > These words are not abstract and what they demonstrate is can be > instantly perceived by looking at any living plant. > > " Dying to it " (silence) are Dan's words and an understanding of what he > means by it seems to be more helpful coming from him than from imagination. > > Lewis The nature of the egg will forever remain mysterious to the shell. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > Whenever words are used to describe an ineffable experience....The words > > > shape our perception of what it is.....it then becomes a shell of what > > > the words are attempting to convey. > > > > > > I believe that Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence...it can be > > > heard ...between his words.......I also believe there are no words that > > > he can use to share that...... > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Hi Toom, > > > > Yes, you are correct that words can shape our perception of what an > > ineffable experience is and that is always the case if they are allowed > > to do so. And they also can becomes a shell of what the words are > > attempting to convey if they are are allowed to become that. It is not > > necessarily so. > > > > I do not know if Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence. I do not > > imagine what Dan's experience is. And Toom, there are words that can be > > used to share that and they have been been shared for thousands of > > years. A sentence formed and used for conveying this experience is below. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > " Look how all of the trees, plants, flowers, blossoms, and grasses grow > > naturally, easily, without effort in a wondrous silence. " > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > These words are not abstract and what they demonstrate is can be > > instantly perceived by looking at any living plant. > > > > " Dying to it " (silence) are Dan's words and an understanding of what he > > means by it seems to be more helpful coming from him than from imagination. > > > > Lewis > > The nature of the egg will forever remain mysterious to the shell. > > toombaru Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Hi Dan, Yes, thats it: Dying into silence. It sounds a bit pathetic but at the moment I don't know better words to express it. Krishnamurti himself often used that expression but in my ears it always sounded as he was inviting to commit suicide, like: " You have to die from moment to moment " . But maybe I still was to young. The last time I have read K was over 15 Years ago and at those days I was much more fascinated by women than considering dying. Werner Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Excellent quote, Werner. > > So many words have been said and written about this > " silence. " > > So many urgings provided to hear, to listen. > > But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of > the words, writings, practices, teachers can > ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine > talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its > avoided by the ones who never even have a thought > about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the > social and personal strivings of everyday life. > > -- Dan > > (nothing new below) > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Because of silence everything exists. But > > we don't listen to silence because our ears > > are full of the chatter of the mind. > > > > When you believe you love, or that you are > > realizing the ideal, there is no silence, > > because thought makes of the eternal silence > > a plaything of the social, of the games of > > envy, culture and the gods put together by > > the mind and the hand. > > > > Silence is when you are, openly in > > yourself and beside yourself, without demand > > or frustration to achieve. Silence has no > > social value whatsoever, it never seeks to > > impress or influence, to guide or control. > > > > J. Krishnamurti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > dan330033 wrote: > > > > Excellent quote, Werner. > > > > So many words have been said and written about this > > " silence. " > > > > So many urgings provided to hear, to listen. > > > > But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of > > the words, writings, practices, teachers can > > ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine > > talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its > > avoided by the ones who never even have a thought > > about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the > > social and personal strivings of everyday life. > > > > -- Dan > > Hi Dan, > > Do you experience this silence? Is it possible for you to speak of the > dying into the silence? Can you give us your experience of dying into > the silence? > > Lewis It's here, now, immediate, Lewis. Die into it, and you won't need anyone else to answer these questions for you. You'll know by being -- which is entirely different than knowing according to what someone else told you. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > Whenever words are used to describe an ineffable experience....The words > > shape our perception of what it is.....it then becomes a shell of what > > the words are attempting to convey. > > > > I believe that Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence...it can be > > heard ...between his words.......I also believe there are no words that > > he can use to share that...... > > > > toombaru > > Hi Toom, > > Yes, you are correct that words can shape our perception of what an > ineffable experience is and that is always the case if they are allowed > to do so. And they also can becomes a shell of what the words are > attempting to convey if they are are allowed to become that. It is not > necessarily so. > > I do not know if Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence. I do not > imagine what Dan's experience is. And Toom, there are words that can be > used to share that and they have been been shared for thousands of > years. A sentence formed and used for conveying this experience is below. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > " Look how all of the trees, plants, flowers, blossoms, and grasses grow > naturally, easily, without effort in a wondrous silence. " > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > These words are not abstract and what they demonstrate is can be > instantly perceived by looking at any living plant. > > " Dying to it " (silence) are Dan's words and an understanding of what he > means by it seems to be more helpful coming from him than from imagination. > > Lewis You reach a point (now, without movement) where " helpfulness " by someone, further explaining what his words mean, isn't helpful. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Dan, > > Yes, thats it: Dying into silence. It sounds a bit pathetic but at > the moment I don't know better words to express it. > > Krishnamurti himself often used that expression but in my ears it > always sounded as he was inviting to commit suicide, like: > > " You have to die from moment to moment " . > > But maybe I still was to young. The last time I have read K was over > 15 Years ago and at those days I was much more fascinated by women > than considering dying. > > Werner Werner - Suicide is an action done by a self with a fantasy of escape. Dying now is a nonaction, involving no escape, by which self and mind are released as having any centering status, any fascination, any captivation. Even the idea of death is released as having any fascination. " I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now. " Bob Dylan :-) -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > Whenever words are used to describe an ineffable experience....The words > > shape our perception of what it is.....it then becomes a shell of what > > the words are attempting to convey. > > > > I believe that Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence...it can be > > heard ...between his words.......I also believe there are no words that > > he can use to share that...... > > > > toombaru > > Hi Toom, > > Yes, you are correct that words can shape our perception of what an > ineffable experience is and that is always the case if they are allowed > to do so. And they also can becomes a shell of what the words are > attempting to convey if they are are allowed to become that. It is not > necessarily so. > > I do not know if Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence. I do not > imagine what Dan's experience is. And Toom, there are words that can be > used to share that and they have been been shared for thousands of > years. A sentence formed and used for conveying this experience is below. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > " Look how all of the trees, plants, flowers, blossoms, and grasses grow > naturally, easily, without effort in a wondrous silence. " > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > These words are not abstract and what they demonstrate is can be > instantly perceived by looking at any living plant. > > " Dying to it " (silence) are Dan's words and an understanding of what he > means by it seems to be more helpful coming from him than from imagination. > > Lewis I agree that there can be words pointing to that silence, for example consider Matthew 6: " Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life? And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. " /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > Whenever words are used to describe an ineffable experience....The > words > > > shape our perception of what it is.....it then becomes a shell of > what > > > the words are attempting to convey. > > > > > > I believe that Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence...it > can be > > > heard ...between his words.......I also believe there are no words > that > > > he can use to share that...... > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Hi Toom, > > > > Yes, you are correct that words can shape our perception of what an > > ineffable experience is and that is always the case if they are allowed > > to do so. And they also can becomes a shell of what the words are > > attempting to convey if they are are allowed to become that. It is not > > necessarily so. > > > > I do not know if Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence. I do not > > imagine what Dan's experience is. And Toom, there are words that can be > > used to share that and they have been been shared for thousands of > > years. A sentence formed and used for conveying this experience is > below. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > " Look how all of the trees, plants, flowers, blossoms, and grasses grow > > naturally, easily, without effort in a wondrous silence. " > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > These words are not abstract and what they demonstrate is can be > > instantly perceived by looking at any living plant. > > > > " Dying to it " (silence) are Dan's words and an understanding of what he > > means by it seems to be more helpful coming from him than from > imagination. > > > > Lewis > > I agree that there can be words pointing to that silence, for example > consider Matthew 6: > > " Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat > or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more > important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at > the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, > and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more > valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to > his life? > > And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field > grow. They do not labor or spin. " > > /AL The last delusion of self...and the most difficlult to see....is the belief that the supposed self can see beyond its own prison. For it........the ultimate horror.....is that beyond the imaginary walls of its kingdom..........there is......nothing. It will recoil at this.......as well it should. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > dan330033 wrote: > > > > > > Excellent quote, Werner. > > > > > > So many words have been said and written about this > > > " silence. " > > > > > > So many urgings provided to hear, to listen. > > > > > > But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of > > > the words, writings, practices, teachers can > > > ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine > > > talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its > > > avoided by the ones who never even have a thought > > > about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the > > > social and personal strivings of everyday life. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > Hi Dan, > > > > Do you experience this silence? Is it possible for you to speak of > the > > dying into the silence? Can you give us your experience of dying > into > > the silence? > > > > Lewis > > It's here, now, immediate, Lewis. > > Die into it, and you won't need anyone else > to answer these questions for you. > > You'll know by being -- which is entirely > different than knowing according to what > someone else told you. > > -- Dan Hi Dan, What you have answered is known by all the traditions, books and treatises and speeches on it, Tolle being a favorite at the moment. I understand the difficulty in talking about, Dan and I did not ask the question for that answer. I asked the question about your experience of it and not a conception about it, which is well known. Though any answer will be conceptual, and barring all other issues about the limitations of language and concept, it seems that there is no harm in relating what has been undergone however it is conceived and expressed. There may be something wonderful there and useful to others whatever that may be. Since it is apparent that such an experience exist for you in concept, I wondered if you have the experience of it. I wondered if you could describe that experience, however limited by language and concept, so that I could know Dan more. And if you had the experience of dying into it, wondered if you could say what is your experience in that, how it occurred, if that is possible, for " you. " You mentioned in your post that others, not the teachers, avoided saying anything about it and so was moved to ask you about it and that perhaps what others avoid, you would not. Now I wonder that if your current answer reflects your understanding and experience than why did you post about others and what they avoid in this matter if it does not matter as you say, that " You'll know by being " ? It also assumes that others have not died into it. How could you possibly know that? Perhaps, your understanding is precisely why it has not been broached by others or perhaps no one has called for it. In any case, since the answer was not to the question as posed, I await any response you are moved to give. It seems called now and anything is welcome. Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > dan330033 wrote: > > > > > > > > Excellent quote, Werner. > > > > > > > > So many words have been said and written about this > > > > " silence. " > > > > > > > > So many urgings provided to hear, to listen. > > > > > > > > But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of > > > > the words, writings, practices, teachers can > > > > ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine > > > > talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its > > > > avoided by the ones who never even have a thought > > > > about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the > > > > social and personal strivings of everyday life. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > Hi Dan, > > > > > > Do you experience this silence? Is it possible for you to speak of > > the > > > dying into the silence? Can you give us your experience of dying > > into > > > the silence? > > > > > > Lewis > > > > It's here, now, immediate, Lewis. > > > > Die into it, and you won't need anyone else > > to answer these questions for you. > > > > You'll know by being -- which is entirely > > different than knowing according to what > > someone else told you. > > > > -- Dan > > > Hi Dan, > > What you have answered is known by all the traditions, books and > treatises and speeches on it, Tolle being a favorite at the moment. > > I understand the difficulty in talking about, Dan and I did not ask the > question for that answer. > > I asked the question about your experience of it and not a conception > about it, which is well known. Though any answer will be conceptual, and > barring all other issues about the limitations of language and concept, > it seems that there is no harm in relating what has been undergone > however it is conceived and expressed. There may be something wonderful > there and useful to others whatever that may be. > > Since it is apparent that such an experience exist for you in concept, I > wondered if you have the experience of it. I wondered if you could > describe that experience, however limited by language and concept, so > that I could know Dan more. And if you had the experience of dying into > it, wondered if you could say what is your experience in that, how it > occurred, if that is possible, for " you. " > > You mentioned in your post that others, not the teachers, avoided saying > anything about it and so was moved to ask you about it and that perhaps > what others avoid, you would not. > > Now I wonder that if your current answer reflects your understanding and > experience than why did you post about others and what they avoid in > this matter if it does not matter as you say, that " You'll know by > being " ? It also assumes that others have not died into it. How could you > possibly know that? Perhaps, your understanding is precisely why it has > not been broached by others or perhaps no one has called for it. In any > case, since the answer was not to the question as posed, I await any > response you are moved to give. It seems called now and anything is welcome. > > Lewis Have you ever tried to capture butterflies with a bulldozer? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > Whenever words are used to describe an ineffable experience....The > > words > > > > shape our perception of what it is.....it then becomes a shell of > > what > > > > the words are attempting to convey. > > > > > > > > I believe that Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence...it > > can be > > > > heard ...between his words.......I also believe there are no words > > that > > > > he can use to share that...... > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Hi Toom, > > > > > > Yes, you are correct that words can shape our perception of what an > > > ineffable experience is and that is always the case if they are allowed > > > to do so. And they also can becomes a shell of what the words are > > > attempting to convey if they are are allowed to become that. It is not > > > necessarily so. > > > > > > I do not know if Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence. I do not > > > imagine what Dan's experience is. And Toom, there are words that can be > > > used to share that and they have been been shared for thousands of > > > years. A sentence formed and used for conveying this experience is > > below. > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > " Look how all of the trees, plants, flowers, blossoms, and grasses grow > > > naturally, easily, without effort in a wondrous silence. " > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > These words are not abstract and what they demonstrate is can be > > > instantly perceived by looking at any living plant. > > > > > > " Dying to it " (silence) are Dan's words and an understanding of what he > > > means by it seems to be more helpful coming from him than from > > imagination. > > > > > > Lewis > > > > I agree that there can be words pointing to that silence, for example > > consider Matthew 6: > > > > " Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat > > or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more > > important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at > > the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, > > and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more > > valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to > > his life? > > > > And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field > > grow. They do not labor or spin. " > > > > /AL > > > > The last delusion of self...and the most difficlult to see....is the belief that the supposed self can see beyond its own prison. > > For it........the ultimate horror.....is that beyond the imaginary walls of its kingdom..........there is......nothing. > > > It will recoil at this.......as well it should. > > > toombaru Sometimes I get a hint of this nothingness beyond the me, and it is I admit, scary as hell. I think: " If my relation to the world in the form of thinking is removed, then what will there be left?! My pride will run down the drain like a bucket of rain water with a big hole in the bottom. Without the relation 'me' <-> 'world' can there be any me at all? " /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > dan330033 wrote: > > > > Excellent quote, Werner. > > > > So many words have been said and written about this > > " silence. " > > > > So many urgings provided to hear, to listen. > > > > But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of > > the words, writings, practices, teachers can > > ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine > > talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its > > avoided by the ones who never even have a thought > > about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the > > social and personal strivings of everyday life. > > > > -- Dan > > Hi Dan, > > Do you experience this silence? Is it possible for you to speak of the > dying into the silence? Can you give us your experience of dying into > the silence? > > Lewis That is quite easy, Lewis. You just describe ...emptiness! ....or you can describe, how a mirage disappears, dyes into ...vast emptiness. Or, you can look up the sky and ...see numerous stars. ....and, then get up in the morning, look into infinity and ...see No Stars! Why, don't you try describing it, dear Lewis ? I for one, would be surely interested. With warm regards, ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > " You have to die from moment to moment " . > >But maybe I still was to young. The last time I have read K was over >15 Years ago and at those days I was much more fascinated by women >than considering dying. ohhh... nothing as beautiful as dying in the arms of a beautiful woman... try it out... I know you are not that old :-) Greetings S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 this silence is not the absence of sound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > this silence is not the absence of sound ....and, sky is Not the absence of stars. Space is not the absence of things. Thank you for your eloquence, Stefan. With warm regards, ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > dan330033 wrote: > > > > > > Excellent quote, Werner. > > > > > > So many words have been said and written about this > > > " silence. " > > > > > > So many urgings provided to hear, to listen. > > > > > > But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of > > > the words, writings, practices, teachers can > > > ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine > > > talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its > > > avoided by the ones who never even have a thought > > > about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the > > > social and personal strivings of everyday life. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > Hi Dan, > > > > Do you experience this silence? Is it possible for you to speak of > the > > dying into the silence? Can you give us your experience of dying > into > > the silence? > > > > Lewis > > That is quite easy, Lewis. > > You just describe ...emptiness! > > ...or you can describe, how a mirage disappears, dyes into ...vast > emptiness. > > Or, you can look up the sky and ...see numerous stars. > > ...and, then get up in the morning, look into infinity and ...see No > Stars! > > > Why, don't you try describing it, dear Lewis ? > > I for one, would be surely interested. > > > With warm regards, > ac. Which ac. silence or dying into silence? Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> > wrote: > > > > this silence is not the absence of sound > > ...and, sky is Not the absence of stars. Usually stars can be seen on the sky. Usually things appear in space. But can sound be heard when there is silence? Can light be seen when there is darkness? only THIS silence can be heard >Thank you for your eloquence, Stefan. You are welcome, my friend, what more could I say... S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > adithya_comming wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > dan330033 wrote: > > > > > > > > Excellent quote, Werner. > > > > > > > > So many words have been said and written about this > > > > " silence. " > > > > > > > > So many urgings provided to hear, to listen. > > > > > > > > But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of > > > > the words, writings, practices, teachers can > > > > ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine > > > > talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its > > > > avoided by the ones who never even have a thought > > > > about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the > > > > social and personal strivings of everyday life. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > Hi Dan, > > > > > > Do you experience this silence? Is it possible for you to speak of > > the > > > dying into the silence? Can you give us your experience of dying > > into > > > the silence? > > > > > > Lewis > > > > That is quite easy, Lewis. > > > > You just describe ...emptiness! > > > > ...or you can describe, how a mirage disappears, dyes into ...vast > > emptiness. > > > > Or, you can look up the sky and ...see numerous stars. > > > > ...and, then get up in the morning, look into infinity and ...see No > > Stars! > > > > > > Why, don't you try describing it, dear Lewis ? > > > > I for one, would be surely interested. > > > > > > With warm regards, > > ac. > > > > Which ac. silence or dying into silence? > > Lewis Thanks, Lewis. I was asking you to describe: **** > You just describe ...emptiness! > > ...or you can describe, how a mirage disappears, dyes into ...vast > emptiness. > > Or, you can look up the sky and ...see numerous stars. > > ...and, then get up in the morning, look into infinity and ...see No > Stars! > *** Once, you describe thes, perhaps, we can also try to describe silence / dying into silence. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > this silence is not the absence of sound > > > > ...and, sky is Not the absence of stars. > > Usually stars can be seen on the sky. > Usually things appear in space. > > But can sound be heard when there is silence? > Can light be seen when there is darkness? > > only THIS silence can be heard > > >Thank you for your eloquence, Stefan. > You are welcome, my friend, what more could I say... > > S. Bubbles rise and fall in ocean ... ....so do waves! And, waves and bubbles themselves are formed by the ocean itself ! Stars appear and die out in infinite emptiness ... ....according to scientists, stars themselves are nearly 100% empty ! Things rise and merge back in ...SPACE. Things themselves are ...mostly space only. Thoughts rise and fall in Awareness ... Silence is defined as ...peace, stillness. It is the background where, ...the sound rises ... Container, ...where the sound appears, ...rise, ...is heard. ....It is the sink, where the sound disappears ... # .. .... ...... Silence does have to talk ...in words, ....Silence doesn't have to talk Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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