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The waves of mind

 

demand so much of Silence.

 

But she does not talk back

 

does not give answers nor arguments

 

She is the hidden author of every thought

 

every feeling

 

every moment.

 

 

 

Silence.

 

 

 

She speaks only one word.

 

And that word is this very existence.

 

No name you give Her

 

touches Her

 

captures Her.

 

No understanding

 

can embrace Her.

 

 

 

Mind throws itself at Silence

 

demanding to be let in.

 

But no mind can enter into

 

Her radiant darkness

 

Her pure and smiling

 

nothingness.

 

 

 

The mind hurls itself

 

into sacred questions.

 

But silence remains

 

unmoved by the tantrums.

 

She asks only for nothing.

 

 

 

Nothing.

 

 

 

But you won't give it to Her

 

because it is the last coin

 

in your pocket.

 

And you would rather

 

give her your demands than

 

your sacred and empty hands.

 

 

Everything leaps out in celebration of mystery,

 

but only nothing enters the sacred source,

 

the silent substance.

 

 

 

Only nothing gets touched and becomes sacred,

 

realizes its own divinity

 

realizes what it is

 

without the aid of a single thought.

 

Silence is my secret.

 

Not hidden.

 

Not hidden.

 

 

 

--Adyashanti

 

 

 

 

 

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Excellent quote, Werner.

 

So many words have been said and written about this

" silence. "

 

So many urgings provided to hear, to listen.

 

But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of

the words, writings, practices, teachers can

ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine

talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its

avoided by the ones who never even have a thought

about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the

social and personal strivings of everyday life.

 

-- Dan

 

(nothing new below)

 

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

wrote:

>

> Because of silence everything exists. But

> we don't listen to silence because our ears

> are full of the chatter of the mind.

>

> When you believe you love, or that you are

> realizing the ideal, there is no silence,

> because thought makes of the eternal silence

> a plaything of the social, of the games of

> envy, culture and the gods put together by

> the mind and the hand.

>

> Silence is when you are, openly in

> yourself and beside yourself, without demand

> or frustration to achieve. Silence has no

> social value whatsoever, it never seeks to

> impress or influence, to guide or control.

>

> J. Krishnamurti

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dan330033 wrote:

>

> Excellent quote, Werner.

>

> So many words have been said and written about this

> " silence. "

>

> So many urgings provided to hear, to listen.

>

> But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of

> the words, writings, practices, teachers can

> ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine

> talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its

> avoided by the ones who never even have a thought

> about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the

> social and personal strivings of everyday life.

>

> -- Dan

 

Hi Dan,

 

Do you experience this silence? Is it possible for you to speak of the

dying into the silence? Can you give us your experience of dying into

the silence?

 

Lewis

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Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote:

>

>

> dan330033 wrote:

> >

> > Excellent quote, Werner.

> >

> > So many words have been said and written about this

> > " silence. "

> >

> > So many urgings provided to hear, to listen.

> >

> > But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of

> > the words, writings, practices, teachers can

> > ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine

> > talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its

> > avoided by the ones who never even have a thought

> > about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the

> > social and personal strivings of everyday life.

> >

> > -- Dan

>

> Hi Dan,

>

> Do you experience this silence? Is it possible for you to speak of the

> dying into the silence? Can you give us your experience of dying into

> the silence?

>

> Lewis

 

 

 

 

 

Whenever words are used to describe an ineffable experience....The words shape

our perception of what it is.....it then becomes a shell of what the words are

attempting to convey.

 

I believe that Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence...it can be heard

....between his words.......I also believe there are no words that he can use to

share that......

 

toombaru

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> Whenever words are used to describe an ineffable experience....The

words shape our perception of what it is.....it then becomes a shell

of what the words are attempting to convey.

>

> I believe that Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence...it

can be heard ...between his words.......I also believe there are no

words that he can use to share that......

>

> toombaru

 

 

Like the little stream

Making its way

Through the mossy crevices

I, too, quietly

Turn clear and transparent

 

~Ryokan

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> Whenever words are used to describe an ineffable experience....The words

> shape our perception of what it is.....it then becomes a shell of what

> the words are attempting to convey.

>

> I believe that Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence...it can be

> heard ...between his words.......I also believe there are no words that

> he can use to share that......

>

> toombaru

 

Hi Toom,

 

Yes, you are correct that words can shape our perception of what an

ineffable experience is and that is always the case if they are allowed

to do so. And they also can becomes a shell of what the words are

attempting to convey if they are are allowed to become that. It is not

necessarily so.

 

I do not know if Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence. I do not

imagine what Dan's experience is. And Toom, there are words that can be

used to share that and they have been been shared for thousands of

years. A sentence formed and used for conveying this experience is below.

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

" Look how all of the trees, plants, flowers, blossoms, and grasses grow

naturally, easily, without effort in a wondrous silence. "

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

These words are not abstract and what they demonstrate is can be

instantly perceived by looking at any living plant.

 

" Dying to it " (silence) are Dan's words and an understanding of what he

means by it seems to be more helpful coming from him than from imagination.

 

Lewis

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Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote:

>

> > Whenever words are used to describe an ineffable experience....The words

> > shape our perception of what it is.....it then becomes a shell of what

> > the words are attempting to convey.

> >

> > I believe that Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence...it can be

> > heard ...between his words.......I also believe there are no words that

> > he can use to share that......

> >

> > toombaru

>

> Hi Toom,

>

> Yes, you are correct that words can shape our perception of what an

> ineffable experience is and that is always the case if they are allowed

> to do so. And they also can becomes a shell of what the words are

> attempting to convey if they are are allowed to become that. It is not

> necessarily so.

>

> I do not know if Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence. I do not

> imagine what Dan's experience is. And Toom, there are words that can be

> used to share that and they have been been shared for thousands of

> years. A sentence formed and used for conveying this experience is below.

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> " Look how all of the trees, plants, flowers, blossoms, and grasses grow

> naturally, easily, without effort in a wondrous silence. "

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> These words are not abstract and what they demonstrate is can be

> instantly perceived by looking at any living plant.

>

> " Dying to it " (silence) are Dan's words and an understanding of what he

> means by it seems to be more helpful coming from him than from imagination.

>

> Lewis

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The nature of the egg will forever remain mysterious to the shell.

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote:

> >

> > > Whenever words are used to describe an ineffable

experience....The words

> > > shape our perception of what it is.....it then becomes a shell

of what

> > > the words are attempting to convey.

> > >

> > > I believe that Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence...it

can be

> > > heard ...between his words.......I also believe there are no

words that

> > > he can use to share that......

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > Hi Toom,

> >

> > Yes, you are correct that words can shape our perception of what an

> > ineffable experience is and that is always the case if they are

allowed

> > to do so. And they also can becomes a shell of what the words are

> > attempting to convey if they are are allowed to become that. It is

not

> > necessarily so.

> >

> > I do not know if Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence. I do

not

> > imagine what Dan's experience is. And Toom, there are words that

can be

> > used to share that and they have been been shared for thousands of

> > years. A sentence formed and used for conveying this experience is

below.

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > " Look how all of the trees, plants, flowers, blossoms, and grasses

grow

> > naturally, easily, without effort in a wondrous silence. "

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > These words are not abstract and what they demonstrate is can be

> > instantly perceived by looking at any living plant.

> >

> > " Dying to it " (silence) are Dan's words and an understanding of

what he

> > means by it seems to be more helpful coming from him than from

imagination.

> >

> > Lewis

 

>

> The nature of the egg will forever remain mysterious to the shell.

>

 

> toombaru

 

Yes.

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Hi Dan,

 

Yes, thats it: Dying into silence. It sounds a bit pathetic but at

the moment I don't know better words to express it.

 

Krishnamurti himself often used that expression but in my ears it

always sounded as he was inviting to commit suicide, like:

 

" You have to die from moment to moment " .

 

But maybe I still was to young. The last time I have read K was over

15 Years ago and at those days I was much more fascinated by women

than considering dying.

 

Werner

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

>

> Excellent quote, Werner.

>

> So many words have been said and written about this

> " silence. "

>

> So many urgings provided to hear, to listen.

>

> But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of

> the words, writings, practices, teachers can

> ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine

> talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its

> avoided by the ones who never even have a thought

> about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the

> social and personal strivings of everyday life.

>

> -- Dan

>

> (nothing new below)

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Because of silence everything exists. But

> > we don't listen to silence because our ears

> > are full of the chatter of the mind.

> >

> > When you believe you love, or that you are

> > realizing the ideal, there is no silence,

> > because thought makes of the eternal silence

> > a plaything of the social, of the games of

> > envy, culture and the gods put together by

> > the mind and the hand.

> >

> > Silence is when you are, openly in

> > yourself and beside yourself, without demand

> > or frustration to achieve. Silence has no

> > social value whatsoever, it never seeks to

> > impress or influence, to guide or control.

> >

> > J. Krishnamurti

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Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...>

wrote:

>

>

> dan330033 wrote:

> >

> > Excellent quote, Werner.

> >

> > So many words have been said and written about this

> > " silence. "

> >

> > So many urgings provided to hear, to listen.

> >

> > But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of

> > the words, writings, practices, teachers can

> > ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine

> > talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its

> > avoided by the ones who never even have a thought

> > about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the

> > social and personal strivings of everyday life.

> >

> > -- Dan

>

> Hi Dan,

>

> Do you experience this silence? Is it possible for you to speak of

the

> dying into the silence? Can you give us your experience of dying

into

> the silence?

>

> Lewis

 

It's here, now, immediate, Lewis.

 

Die into it, and you won't need anyone else

to answer these questions for you.

 

You'll know by being -- which is entirely

different than knowing according to what

someone else told you.

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...>

wrote:

>

> > Whenever words are used to describe an ineffable

experience....The words

> > shape our perception of what it is.....it then becomes a shell

of what

> > the words are attempting to convey.

> >

> > I believe that Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence...it

can be

> > heard ...between his words.......I also believe there are no

words that

> > he can use to share that......

> >

> > toombaru

>

> Hi Toom,

>

> Yes, you are correct that words can shape our perception of what

an

> ineffable experience is and that is always the case if they are

allowed

> to do so. And they also can becomes a shell of what the words are

> attempting to convey if they are are allowed to become that. It is

not

> necessarily so.

>

> I do not know if Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence. I do

not

> imagine what Dan's experience is. And Toom, there are words that

can be

> used to share that and they have been been shared for thousands of

> years. A sentence formed and used for conveying this experience is

below.

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> " Look how all of the trees, plants, flowers, blossoms, and grasses

grow

> naturally, easily, without effort in a wondrous silence. "

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> These words are not abstract and what they demonstrate is can be

> instantly perceived by looking at any living plant.

>

> " Dying to it " (silence) are Dan's words and an understanding of

what he

> means by it seems to be more helpful coming from him than from

imagination.

>

> Lewis

 

You reach a point (now, without movement)

where " helpfulness " by someone, further explaining what

his words mean, isn't helpful.

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Dan,

>

> Yes, thats it: Dying into silence. It sounds a bit pathetic but at

> the moment I don't know better words to express it.

>

> Krishnamurti himself often used that expression but in my ears it

> always sounded as he was inviting to commit suicide, like:

>

> " You have to die from moment to moment " .

>

> But maybe I still was to young. The last time I have read K was

over

> 15 Years ago and at those days I was much more fascinated by women

> than considering dying.

>

> Werner

 

Werner -

 

Suicide is an action done by a self with a fantasy of

escape.

 

Dying now is a nonaction, involving no escape,

by which self and mind are released

as having any centering status, any fascination, any captivation.

 

Even the idea of death is released as having any fascination.

 

" I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now. "

Bob Dylan

 

:-)

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote:

>

> > Whenever words are used to describe an ineffable experience....The

words

> > shape our perception of what it is.....it then becomes a shell of

what

> > the words are attempting to convey.

> >

> > I believe that Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence...it

can be

> > heard ...between his words.......I also believe there are no words

that

> > he can use to share that......

> >

> > toombaru

>

> Hi Toom,

>

> Yes, you are correct that words can shape our perception of what an

> ineffable experience is and that is always the case if they are allowed

> to do so. And they also can becomes a shell of what the words are

> attempting to convey if they are are allowed to become that. It is not

> necessarily so.

>

> I do not know if Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence. I do not

> imagine what Dan's experience is. And Toom, there are words that can be

> used to share that and they have been been shared for thousands of

> years. A sentence formed and used for conveying this experience is

below.

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> " Look how all of the trees, plants, flowers, blossoms, and grasses grow

> naturally, easily, without effort in a wondrous silence. "

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> These words are not abstract and what they demonstrate is can be

> instantly perceived by looking at any living plant.

>

> " Dying to it " (silence) are Dan's words and an understanding of what he

> means by it seems to be more helpful coming from him than from

imagination.

>

> Lewis

 

I agree that there can be words pointing to that silence, for example

consider Matthew 6:

 

" Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat

or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more

important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at

the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns,

and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more

valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to

his life?

 

And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field

grow. They do not labor or spin. "

 

/AL

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote:

> >

> > > Whenever words are used to describe an ineffable experience....The

> words

> > > shape our perception of what it is.....it then becomes a shell of

> what

> > > the words are attempting to convey.

> > >

> > > I believe that Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence...it

> can be

> > > heard ...between his words.......I also believe there are no words

> that

> > > he can use to share that......

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > Hi Toom,

> >

> > Yes, you are correct that words can shape our perception of what an

> > ineffable experience is and that is always the case if they are allowed

> > to do so. And they also can becomes a shell of what the words are

> > attempting to convey if they are are allowed to become that. It is not

> > necessarily so.

> >

> > I do not know if Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence. I do not

> > imagine what Dan's experience is. And Toom, there are words that can be

> > used to share that and they have been been shared for thousands of

> > years. A sentence formed and used for conveying this experience is

> below.

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > " Look how all of the trees, plants, flowers, blossoms, and grasses grow

> > naturally, easily, without effort in a wondrous silence. "

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > These words are not abstract and what they demonstrate is can be

> > instantly perceived by looking at any living plant.

> >

> > " Dying to it " (silence) are Dan's words and an understanding of what he

> > means by it seems to be more helpful coming from him than from

> imagination.

> >

> > Lewis

>

> I agree that there can be words pointing to that silence, for example

> consider Matthew 6:

>

> " Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat

> or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more

> important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at

> the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns,

> and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more

> valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to

> his life?

>

> And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field

> grow. They do not labor or spin. "

>

> /AL

 

 

 

The last delusion of self...and the most difficlult to see....is the belief that

the supposed self can see beyond its own prison.

 

For it........the ultimate horror.....is that beyond the imaginary walls of its

kingdom..........there is......nothing.

 

 

It will recoil at this.......as well it should.

 

 

toombaru

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dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > dan330033 wrote:

> > >

> > > Excellent quote, Werner.

> > >

> > > So many words have been said and written about this

> > > " silence. "

> > >

> > > So many urgings provided to hear, to listen.

> > >

> > > But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of

> > > the words, writings, practices, teachers can

> > > ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine

> > > talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its

> > > avoided by the ones who never even have a thought

> > > about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the

> > > social and personal strivings of everyday life.

> > >

> > > -- Dan

> >

> > Hi Dan,

> >

> > Do you experience this silence? Is it possible for you to speak of

> the

> > dying into the silence? Can you give us your experience of dying

> into

> > the silence?

> >

> > Lewis

>

> It's here, now, immediate, Lewis.

>

> Die into it, and you won't need anyone else

> to answer these questions for you.

>

> You'll know by being -- which is entirely

> different than knowing according to what

> someone else told you.

>

> -- Dan

 

 

Hi Dan,

 

What you have answered is known by all the traditions, books and

treatises and speeches on it, Tolle being a favorite at the moment.

 

I understand the difficulty in talking about, Dan and I did not ask the

question for that answer.

 

I asked the question about your experience of it and not a conception

about it, which is well known. Though any answer will be conceptual, and

barring all other issues about the limitations of language and concept,

it seems that there is no harm in relating what has been undergone

however it is conceived and expressed. There may be something wonderful

there and useful to others whatever that may be.

 

Since it is apparent that such an experience exist for you in concept, I

wondered if you have the experience of it. I wondered if you could

describe that experience, however limited by language and concept, so

that I could know Dan more. And if you had the experience of dying into

it, wondered if you could say what is your experience in that, how it

occurred, if that is possible, for " you. "

 

You mentioned in your post that others, not the teachers, avoided saying

anything about it and so was moved to ask you about it and that perhaps

what others avoid, you would not.

 

Now I wonder that if your current answer reflects your understanding and

experience than why did you post about others and what they avoid in

this matter if it does not matter as you say, that " You'll know by

being " ? It also assumes that others have not died into it. How could you

possibly know that? Perhaps, your understanding is precisely why it has

not been broached by others or perhaps no one has called for it. In any

case, since the answer was not to the question as posed, I await any

response you are moved to give. It seems called now and anything is welcome.

 

Lewis

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Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote:

>

>

> dan330033 wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > dan330033 wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Excellent quote, Werner.

> > > >

> > > > So many words have been said and written about this

> > > > " silence. "

> > > >

> > > > So many urgings provided to hear, to listen.

> > > >

> > > > But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of

> > > > the words, writings, practices, teachers can

> > > > ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine

> > > > talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its

> > > > avoided by the ones who never even have a thought

> > > > about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the

> > > > social and personal strivings of everyday life.

> > > >

> > > > -- Dan

> > >

> > > Hi Dan,

> > >

> > > Do you experience this silence? Is it possible for you to speak of

> > the

> > > dying into the silence? Can you give us your experience of dying

> > into

> > > the silence?

> > >

> > > Lewis

> >

> > It's here, now, immediate, Lewis.

> >

> > Die into it, and you won't need anyone else

> > to answer these questions for you.

> >

> > You'll know by being -- which is entirely

> > different than knowing according to what

> > someone else told you.

> >

> > -- Dan

>

>

> Hi Dan,

>

> What you have answered is known by all the traditions, books and

> treatises and speeches on it, Tolle being a favorite at the moment.

>

> I understand the difficulty in talking about, Dan and I did not ask the

> question for that answer.

>

> I asked the question about your experience of it and not a conception

> about it, which is well known. Though any answer will be conceptual, and

> barring all other issues about the limitations of language and concept,

> it seems that there is no harm in relating what has been undergone

> however it is conceived and expressed. There may be something wonderful

> there and useful to others whatever that may be.

>

> Since it is apparent that such an experience exist for you in concept, I

> wondered if you have the experience of it. I wondered if you could

> describe that experience, however limited by language and concept, so

> that I could know Dan more. And if you had the experience of dying into

> it, wondered if you could say what is your experience in that, how it

> occurred, if that is possible, for " you. "

>

> You mentioned in your post that others, not the teachers, avoided saying

> anything about it and so was moved to ask you about it and that perhaps

> what others avoid, you would not.

>

> Now I wonder that if your current answer reflects your understanding and

> experience than why did you post about others and what they avoid in

> this matter if it does not matter as you say, that " You'll know by

> being " ? It also assumes that others have not died into it. How could you

> possibly know that? Perhaps, your understanding is precisely why it has

> not been broached by others or perhaps no one has called for it. In any

> case, since the answer was not to the question as posed, I await any

> response you are moved to give. It seems called now and anything is welcome.

>

> Lewis

 

 

 

 

Have you ever tried to capture butterflies with a bulldozer?

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Whenever words are used to describe an ineffable experience....The

> > words

> > > > shape our perception of what it is.....it then becomes a shell of

> > what

> > > > the words are attempting to convey.

> > > >

> > > > I believe that Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence...it

> > can be

> > > > heard ...between his words.......I also believe there are no words

> > that

> > > > he can use to share that......

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > > Hi Toom,

> > >

> > > Yes, you are correct that words can shape our perception of what an

> > > ineffable experience is and that is always the case if they are

allowed

> > > to do so. And they also can becomes a shell of what the words are

> > > attempting to convey if they are are allowed to become that. It

is not

> > > necessarily so.

> > >

> > > I do not know if Dan has first hand knowledge of the silence. I

do not

> > > imagine what Dan's experience is. And Toom, there are words that

can be

> > > used to share that and they have been been shared for thousands of

> > > years. A sentence formed and used for conveying this experience is

> > below.

> > >

> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > >

> > > " Look how all of the trees, plants, flowers, blossoms, and

grasses grow

> > > naturally, easily, without effort in a wondrous silence. "

> > >

> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > >

> > > These words are not abstract and what they demonstrate is can be

> > > instantly perceived by looking at any living plant.

> > >

> > > " Dying to it " (silence) are Dan's words and an understanding of

what he

> > > means by it seems to be more helpful coming from him than from

> > imagination.

> > >

> > > Lewis

> >

> > I agree that there can be words pointing to that silence, for example

> > consider Matthew 6:

> >

> > " Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat

> > or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more

> > important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at

> > the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns,

> > and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more

> > valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to

> > his life?

> >

> > And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field

> > grow. They do not labor or spin. "

> >

> > /AL

>

>

>

> The last delusion of self...and the most difficlult to see....is the

belief that the supposed self can see beyond its own prison.

>

> For it........the ultimate horror.....is that beyond the imaginary

walls of its kingdom..........there is......nothing.

>

>

> It will recoil at this.......as well it should.

>

>

> toombaru

 

Sometimes I get a hint of this nothingness beyond the me, and it is I

admit, scary as hell. I think: " If my relation to the world in the

form of thinking is removed, then what will there be left?! My pride

will run down the drain like a bucket of rain water with a big hole in

the bottom. Without the relation 'me' <-> 'world' can there be any me

at all? "

 

/AL

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Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote:

>

>

> dan330033 wrote:

> >

> > Excellent quote, Werner.

> >

> > So many words have been said and written about this

> > " silence. "

> >

> > So many urgings provided to hear, to listen.

> >

> > But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of

> > the words, writings, practices, teachers can

> > ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine

> > talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its

> > avoided by the ones who never even have a thought

> > about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the

> > social and personal strivings of everyday life.

> >

> > -- Dan

>

> Hi Dan,

>

> Do you experience this silence? Is it possible for you to speak of

the

> dying into the silence? Can you give us your experience of dying

into

> the silence?

>

> Lewis

 

That is quite easy, Lewis.

 

You just describe ...emptiness!

 

....or you can describe, how a mirage disappears, dyes into ...vast

emptiness.

 

Or, you can look up the sky and ...see numerous stars.

 

....and, then get up in the morning, look into infinity and ...see No

Stars!

 

 

Why, don't you try describing it, dear Lewis ?

 

I for one, would be surely interested.

 

 

With warm regards,

ac.

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...>

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> " You have to die from moment to moment " .

>

>But maybe I still was to young. The last time I have read K was over

>15 Years ago and at those days I was much more fascinated by women

>than considering dying.

 

ohhh... nothing as beautiful as dying in the arms of a beautiful

woman... try it out... I know you are not that old :-)

 

Greetings

S.

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

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> this silence is not the absence of sound

 

....and, sky is Not the absence of stars.

 

Space is not the absence of things.

 

 

Thank you for your eloquence, Stefan.

 

With warm regards,

ac.

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adithya_comming wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > dan330033 wrote:

> > >

> > > Excellent quote, Werner.

> > >

> > > So many words have been said and written about this

> > > " silence. "

> > >

> > > So many urgings provided to hear, to listen.

> > >

> > > But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of

> > > the words, writings, practices, teachers can

> > > ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine

> > > talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its

> > > avoided by the ones who never even have a thought

> > > about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the

> > > social and personal strivings of everyday life.

> > >

> > > -- Dan

> >

> > Hi Dan,

> >

> > Do you experience this silence? Is it possible for you to speak of

> the

> > dying into the silence? Can you give us your experience of dying

> into

> > the silence?

> >

> > Lewis

>

> That is quite easy, Lewis.

>

> You just describe ...emptiness!

>

> ...or you can describe, how a mirage disappears, dyes into ...vast

> emptiness.

>

> Or, you can look up the sky and ...see numerous stars.

>

> ...and, then get up in the morning, look into infinity and ...see No

> Stars!

>

>

> Why, don't you try describing it, dear Lewis ?

>

> I for one, would be surely interested.

>

>

> With warm regards,

> ac.

 

 

 

Which ac. silence or dying into silence?

 

Lewis

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Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

<adithya_comming> wrote:

 

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

> wrote:

> >

> > this silence is not the absence of sound

>

> ...and, sky is Not the absence of stars.

 

Usually stars can be seen on the sky.

Usually things appear in space.

 

But can sound be heard when there is silence?

Can light be seen when there is darkness?

 

only THIS silence can be heard

 

>Thank you for your eloquence, Stefan.

You are welcome, my friend, what more could I say...

 

S.

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Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...> wrote:

>

>

> adithya_comming wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , Lewis Burgess <lbb10@c...>

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > dan330033 wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Excellent quote, Werner.

> > > >

> > > > So many words have been said and written about this

> > > > " silence. "

> > > >

> > > > So many urgings provided to hear, to listen.

> > > >

> > > > But it's the dying into it, as it, that none of

> > > > the words, writings, practices, teachers can

> > > > ever provide... and which is avoided by the fine

> > > > talkers as well as the sincere practioners, just as its

> > > > avoided by the ones who never even have a thought

> > > > about this silent stillness but merely carry on with the

> > > > social and personal strivings of everyday life.

> > > >

> > > > -- Dan

> > >

> > > Hi Dan,

> > >

> > > Do you experience this silence? Is it possible for you to

speak of

> > the

> > > dying into the silence? Can you give us your experience of

dying

> > into

> > > the silence?

> > >

> > > Lewis

> >

> > That is quite easy, Lewis.

> >

> > You just describe ...emptiness!

> >

> > ...or you can describe, how a mirage disappears, dyes into ...vast

> > emptiness.

> >

> > Or, you can look up the sky and ...see numerous stars.

> >

> > ...and, then get up in the morning, look into infinity and ...see

No

> > Stars!

> >

> >

> > Why, don't you try describing it, dear Lewis ?

> >

> > I for one, would be surely interested.

> >

> >

> > With warm regards,

> > ac.

>

>

>

> Which ac. silence or dying into silence?

>

> Lewis

 

Thanks, Lewis.

 

I was asking you to describe:

 

****

 

> You just describe ...emptiness!

>

> ...or you can describe, how a mirage disappears, dyes into ...vast

> emptiness.

>

> Or, you can look up the sky and ...see numerous stars.

>

> ...and, then get up in the morning, look into infinity and ...see No

> Stars!

>

 

***

 

Once, you describe thes, perhaps, we can also try to describe

silence / dying into silence.

 

 

>

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

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> Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming "

> <adithya_comming> wrote:

>

> > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > this silence is not the absence of sound

> >

> > ...and, sky is Not the absence of stars.

>

> Usually stars can be seen on the sky.

> Usually things appear in space.

>

> But can sound be heard when there is silence?

> Can light be seen when there is darkness?

>

> only THIS silence can be heard

>

> >Thank you for your eloquence, Stefan.

> You are welcome, my friend, what more could I say...

>

> S.

 

 

Bubbles rise and fall in ocean ...

 

....so do waves!

 

And, waves and bubbles themselves are formed by the ocean itself !

 

 

Stars appear and die out in infinite emptiness ...

 

....according to scientists, stars themselves are nearly 100% empty !

 

 

Things rise and merge back in ...SPACE.

 

Things themselves are ...mostly space only.

 

 

Thoughts rise and fall in Awareness ...

 

 

Silence is defined as ...peace, stillness.

 

It is the background where, ...the sound rises ...

 

Container, ...where the sound appears, ...rise, ...is heard.

 

 

 

....It is the sink, where the sound disappears ...

 

 

#

 

..

....

......

 

Silence does have to talk ...in words,

 

....Silence doesn't have to talk Period.

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