Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 Devi, That tiny little bit of truth you know within, that soft and gentle touch that comes up from inside of you and gently woos you to open up just a little more, do you give that delicate pull of inner being precidence over your own personal beliefs and judgements? Do you trust in it more than your own thoughts and opinions? Toby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 Nisargadatta , " toby20042004 " <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > Devi, > > That tiny little bit of truth you know within, that soft and gentle > touch that comes up from inside of you and gently woos you to open up > just a little more, do you give that delicate pull of inner being > precidence over your own personal beliefs and judgements? Do you > trust in it more than your own thoughts and opinions? > > Toby excuse me, i don't understand what your getting at...? have you ever sat in the presence of a Guru or Spiritual Master? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 shawn, heres what Meher Baba says about Sahaj-Samadhi.. " In short, Baqa-Billah is the state of God where " abiding-in " or " getting established in " God is experienced by those who are defined as " Salukis " or " Jivan-Muktas " 21,22.. The salik continually and consciously experiences simultaneously the dual experience of the " I Am God " state and " I am human " state, and accumulates infinite knowledge, power and bliss, simultaneously experiencing human weakness and sufferings, knowing their falsity to be based on the manifestation of the finite NOTHING that manifests out of His Own state of being EVERYTHING and infiniteIn the Baqa- Billah, the life of God-in-human being established, man as God experiences the " SAHAJ-SAMADHI. " This means that man as GOD simultaneously, without the least effort, has continually and automatically the dual experience of God and of man. This is the state of " Perfection " Perfection generally carries with it the sense of the highest pitch of or the extreme type of, accomplishment, and Perfection as such cannot become more perfect. But when the term " Perfection " is used in terms of REALITY, there are three types of Perfection in the state of Sulukiyat of " Baqa-Billah. " " those strange words are sufi terms...this is just a short part of the topic, if yooou want more i'd be happy to provide it,,,i am typing the book God Speaks by meher baba on to the internet,,,i think it's an important work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 > > Devi, > > > > That tiny little bit of truth you know within, that soft and gentle > > touch that comes up from inside of you and gently woos you to open > up > > just a little more, do you give that delicate pull of inner being > > precidence over your own personal beliefs and judgements? Do you > > trust in it more than your own thoughts and opinions? > > > > Toby > > excuse me, i don't understand what your getting at...? have you ever > sat in the presence of a Guru or Spiritual Master? I think your missing the point Davi. There is only one Guru - the Guru within. You don't need anything/anyone else. Stuart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 on 4/4/03 7:27 AM, Stuart Johnson at stuart wrote: > > I think your missing the point Davi. There is only one Guru - the Guru > within. You don't need anything/anyone else. > > Stuart. Tcha. One is always in the presence of the Master. ))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 Nisargadatta , shawn <shawn@w...> wrote: > on 4/4/03 7:27 AM, Stuart Johnson at stuart@s... wrote: > > > > > I think your missing the point Davi. There is only one Guru - the Guru > > within. You don't need anything/anyone else. > > > > Stuart. > > Tcha. One is always in the presence of the Master. > > ))))))Shawn hi shawn, that was a great read, that previous post, i absolutly loved it....ok, now, i'm going to show you my website stuart and anyone else wanting to look,,, then come back and tell me if i'm missing any points? also, don't start your thinking minds about what my motive is, i'll tell you right here and right now,,,i'm bothered by the fact that stuart seems to think i am missing the point! i don't want to argue that i don't miss any points, everything is really pointless...thats all http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/chitra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 > hi shawn, that was a great read, that previous post, i absolutly > loved it....ok, now, i'm going to show you my website stuart and > anyone else wanting to look,,, then come back and tell me if i'm > missing any points? also, don't start your thinking minds about what > my motive is, i'll tell you right here and right now,,,i'm bothered > by the fact that stuart seems to think i am missing the point! i > don't want to argue that i don't miss any points, everything is > really pointless...thats all > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/chitra > I agree everything is pointless Devi, so why be so defencive? There is no need to be. Watch the mind, and see without judgement what it reveals about yourself. Nice web site, thank you. Stuart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 > > > hi shawn, that was a great read, that previous post, i absolutly > > loved it....ok, now, i'm going to show you my website stuart and > > anyone else wanting to look,,, then come back and tell me if i'm > > missing any points? also, don't start your thinking minds about what > > my motive is, i'll tell you right here and right now,,,i'm bothered > > by the fact that stuart seems to think i am missing the point! i > > don't want to argue that i don't miss any points, everything is > > really pointless...thats all > > > > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/chitra > > > > I agree everything is pointless Devi, so why be so defencive? There is no need to be. Watch the mind, and see without judgement what it > reveals about yourself. > > Nice web site, thank you. > > Stuart. why accuse me of missing a point? and then go on accusing me of being defensive? whats your motivation for all these acusations and like i just said on another club, i don't need to be non-judgemental, i'm beyond both...glad you enjoyed the website, did you read my almost full autobiography? also telling someone to watch their mind is not as good as telling someone to abide in the Self...see..smiles do you realize that i was on a spiritual path before you were born? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 on 4/4/03 11:21 AM, devianandi at devi wrote: i don't miss any points, everything is > really pointless...thats all > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/chitra Devi, You've got a point there! I recognize many friends there. I love Neem Koroli! Here is my website http://www.withouraloha.com Shawn))))))))))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 on 4/4/03 1:12 PM, devianandi at devi wrote: > > why accuse me of missing a point? and then go on accusing me of being > defensive? whats your motivation for all these acusations and like i > just said on another club, i don't need to be non-judgemental, i'm > beyond both... you don't seem to be. glad you enjoyed the website, did you read my almost > full autobiography? > also telling someone to watch their mind is not as good as telling > someone to abide in the Self...see..smiles " not as good " who thinks this? > do you realize that i was on a spiritual path before you were born? Ah! there's the age thing! You *do* realise that there are a lot of old stupid peole and that one's age has nothing to do with wisdom as a hard and fast rule. )))))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 > why accuse me of missing a point? and then go on accusing me of being > defensive? whats your motivation for all these acusations and like i > just said on another club, i don't need to be non-judgemental, i'm > beyond both...glad you enjoyed the website, did you read my almost > full autobiography? > also telling someone to watch their mind is not as good as telling > someone to abide in the Self...see..smiles > do you realize that i was on a spiritual path before you were born? We have just come full circle.... age. It seems clear your trying to use that as some way to add weight to whatever argument you think you have. To put it more bluntly - It's a game of the ego (hence my more tactful suggestion to watch the mind!!). Re-read your posts in a few weeks when your less emotionally attached, and I think you will see what I mean. People develop at different rates and go thought different hardships, so age is a stupid argument. Even if I were 18, or even 12, it's an arrogant judgement on just a few brief words. I have clearly (and unintentionally) upset you, so I am going to let this rest. Best wishes. Stuart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 Nisargadatta , shawn <shawn@w...> wrote: > on 4/4/03 11:21 AM, devianandi at devi@p... wrote: > i don't miss any points, everything is > > really pointless...thats all > > > > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/chitra > > > Devi, > You've got a point there! > I recognize many friends there. I love Neem Koroli! > > Here is my website > > http://www.withouraloha.com > > Shawn))))))))))) great website..wow, i am impressed with your paintings, i loved those sushi and papaya candles and i'm thinking maybe we can do wholesale business together.(with the stem flowers and orchards someday).i can't bbbbbeeeeeeeelllllienve the price of your coffees, oh my God, their so expensive! and your painting, you're a famous artist, yes? haha,,,do you know krishna dass and ram dass, they will be in Hawaii pretty soon. Krishan Dass is giving a bajhan concert about an hour away from me monday nite, i'll be going, i can't wait...you see, really i am a bhakti yogi, i cry when i here the name hari...so all this chit chat and intellectualism is usually above my head,,,but i'm trying to keep it together...ok, well, lets see what that next post has in store for me... http://www.angelfire.com/on4/art heres some examples of my art work...let me ask you a question, when you make a paining do you ever use an opaque projector? i'm thinking of buying one.? my husband and i lived on moloki for 3 months once and on maui for 8 months at a tibetain buddhist retreat center and then on the north shore of Ohahooo......you're lucky to be there..were you born there? s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 why accuse me of missing a point? and then go on accusing me of being defensive? whats your motivation for all these acusations and like i just said on another club, i don't need to be non-judgemental, i'm beyond both... > > shawn:you don't seem to be. devi: what do you think it means to be beyond both? also telling someone to watch their mind is not as good as telling > > someone to abide in the Self...see..smiles > >shawn: " not as good " who thinks this? devi: ramana maharshi usually says abide in the Self,you see, my idea is that the idea is to get past the mind, watching it is watching it,a pesron can go on watching the mind forever and ever..,,i prescribe either japa or mantra or feeling the presence of God...but watching the mind, uh uh, not for me....maybe for stuart over there do you realize that i was on a spiritual path before you were born? > > shawn:Ah! there's the age thing! > You *do* realise that there are a lot of old stupid peole and that one's age has nothing to do with wisdom as a hard and fast rule. > devi: yes, i realize that there are alot of stupid old people, but i am not one of them.. really i won't benifit from anyones advise except my Gurus..thats me, so don't be offended, i am my own Guru, i don't like being picked apart or examined,,,or critized,,,i have realized the SElf and i'm satisfied with that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 > > We have just come full circle.... age. It seems clear your trying to use > that as some way to add weight to whatever argument you think you have. devi: to tell you the truth, i asked your age because *you* telling *me* that there is no right and wrong seemed quite childish to me and instead of accusing you of being childish i decided to ask your age to see if i was right... stuart:To put it more bluntly - It's a game of the ego (hence my more tactful suggestion to watch the mind!!). devi: i am probably one of the most egoless people you'll ever meet.. stuart: Re-read your posts in a few weeks when your less emotionally attached, and I think you will see what I mean. devi: i don't need to re-read my posts, i know that whatever i say to you is exactly what you need to hear.. stuart: People develop at different rates and go thought different hardships, so age is a stupid argument. devi: now thats a stupid arguement, don't you think i've gathered that over my 51 years stuart: Even if I were 18, or even 12, it's an arrogant judgement on just a few brief words. devi: i think your arrogant, am i right? stuart: I have clearly (and unintentionally) upset you, so I am going to let this rest. Best wishes. devi: ok, we can let it rest after this one last sentence: you don't see clearly, i am certainly not upset, i am having a blast your cute, are you married, i have a daugher that needs a good man? > smiles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 on 4/4/03 2:50 PM, devianandi at devi wrote: > why accuse me of missing a point? and then go on accusing me of being > defensive? whats your motivation for all these acusations and like i > just said on another club, i don't need to be non-judgemental, i'm > beyond both... >> >> shawn:you don't seem to be. > devi: what do you think it means to be beyond both? > Show me the non-judgemental! To say that you are beyond both, and then be judgemental is a trick that will only fool the foolish. > also telling someone to watch their mind is not as good as telling >>> someone to abide in the Self...see..smiles >> >> shawn: " not as good " who thinks this? > devi: ramana maharshi usually says abide in the Self,you see, my idea > is that the idea is to get past the mind, watching it is watching > it,a pesron can go on watching the mind forever and ever A person can do japa and sing bajans forever and never get past it. Maharshi and Nisargadatta were primarily teaching vichara- enquiry into the Self. ...,,i > prescribe either japa or mantra or feeling the presence of God...but > watching the mind, uh uh, not for me....maybe for stuart over there > > do you realize that i was on a spiritual path before you were born? >> >> shawn:Ah! there's the age thing! >> You *do* realise that there are a lot of old stupid peole and that > one's age has nothing to do with wisdom as a hard and fast rule. >> > devi: yes, i realize that there are alot of stupid old people, but i > am not one of them.. I didn't mean to suggest so, only that your use of age as a proof of wisdom is ridiculous. > really i won't benifit from anyones advise except my Gurus..thats me, > so don't be offended, i am my own Guru, i don't like being picked > apart or examined,,,or critized,,,i have realized the SElf and i'm > satisfied with that... Okay..... )))))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 on 4/4/03 2:36 PM, devianandi at devi wrote: > > great website..wow, i am impressed with your paintings thanks. <snip> >do you know krishna dass and ram dass, they will be in Hawaii > pretty soon. Krishan Dass is giving a bajhan concert about an hour > away from me monday nite, i'll be going, i can't wait...you see, > really i am a bhakti yogi, i cry when i here the name hari...so all > this chit chat and intellectualism is usually above my head,,,but i'm > trying to keep it together Nissargadatta was a jnani. I tend to avoid the people who wear their spirituality on their sleave. Most are naive and deluded and really into looking cool and getting high...-not for me.... > http://www.angelfire.com/on4/art > > heres some examples of my art work...let me ask you a question, when > you make a paining do you ever use an opaque projector? i'm thinking > of buying one.? I have used them in the past but recommend developing drawing skills. > my husband and i lived on moloki for 3 months once and on maui for 8 > months at a tibetain buddhist retreat center and then on the north > shore of Ohahooo......you're lucky to be there..were you born there? No, I've only been here 4 years. ))))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 > > excuse me, i don't understand what your getting at...? have you ever > sat in the presence of a Guru or Spiritual Master? I have sat and read your posts... does that count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 Nisargadatta , " toby20042004 " <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > > > > excuse me, i don't understand what your getting at...? have you > ever > > sat in the presence of a Guru or Spiritual Master? > > > I have sat and read your posts... does that count? no, that dosen't count..seriously have you ever sat with a real Guru? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 > > Nissargadatta was a jnani. I tend to avoid the people who wear their > spirituality on their sleave. Most are naive and deluded and really into looking cool and getting high...-not for me.... i think krishna dass is a real sweet man and am grateful for his cds..singing bajhans is one of my favorite thing to do in life, so i'm grateful.. > > > my husband and i lived on moloki for 3 months once and on maui for 8 > > months at a tibetain buddhist retreat center and then on the north > > shore of Ohahooo......you're lucky to be there..were you born there? > > > No, I've only been here 4 years. > > ))))))))Shawn gee; you're real talkitive today..ok, enjoy your sunny weather, i'm hoping to go out today for a while... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 What do you perceive happens when you sit with a Guru Devi? Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <devi@p...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toby20042004 " > <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > > > > > > excuse me, i don't understand what your getting at...? have you > > ever > > > sat in the presence of a Guru or Spiritual Master? > > > > > > I have sat and read your posts... does that count? > > no, that dosen't count..seriously have you ever sat with a real Guru? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 What do you perceive happens when you sit with a Guru Devi? Everyone perceives Gurus differently, sometimes things happen around Gurus and sometimes nothing happens, a few differnet factors go into the equaztion. if a person is ready to *get realized* just seeing a Guru may be what pulls you to the other side, some people see the Guru as God, some people see the Guru as just another guy...i'm wondering what your motive for asking is...i'll tell you the truth, for a long time i thought that a Guru was a necessary ingrediant but since the summer when i learned about over a thousand other realized being, from Sarlos Guru Ratings list i've changed my mind...to me personally, a Guru has seen the top of the mountain and *knows* how to pull someone up there with Him..when i first met my Guru i said to myself, here is enlightenement staring me in the face, with a great big warm welcoming smile, i must be very very close... now its your turn to answer my question. smiles devi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 i know that this is off topic but i can't stress the importance of raising your vibrations to a higher level of being while maintaining your thought on the *I Am* or whatever it is you do......so consider this: http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/chitra/deepokchopraonreincarnation.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 on 4/6/03 6:59 AM, devianandi at devi wrote: > i know that this is off topic but i can't stress the importance of > raising your vibrations to a higher level of being while maintaining > your thought on the *I Am* or whatever it is you do......so consider > this: Is it the big black button on the left or the silver button in the middle? Should I turn it up to 10 or will 7 do? ))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 On Sun, 2003-04-06 at 18:36, shawn wrote: > on 4/6/03 6:59 AM, devianandi at devi wrote: > > > i know that this is off topic but i can't stress the importance of > > raising your vibrations to a higher level of being while maintaining > > your thought on the *I Am* or whatever it is you do......so consider > > this: > > Is it the big black button on the left or the silver button in the middle? > Should I turn it up to 10 or will 7 do? I always go to 11. It's one better. Stuart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 on 4/6/03 7:57 AM, Stuart Johnson at stuart wrote: > On Sun, 2003-04-06 at 18:36, shawn wrote: >> on 4/6/03 6:59 AM, devianandi at devi wrote: >> >>> i know that this is off topic but i can't stress the importance of >>> raising your vibrations to a higher level of being while maintaining >>> your thought on the *I Am* or whatever it is you do......so consider >>> this: >> >> Is it the big black button on the left or the silver button in the middle? >> Should I turn it up to 10 or will 7 do? > > I always go to 11. It's one better. > > Stuart. .....Too much distortion, probably need to take better care of the body. Maybe some tape on that ripped place. oh wait, that's my mouth. ))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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