On being enlightened

October 16, 2002

Pete,

A very marvelous message from you. Thank you.

> I don't call it anything.

> Your interpretation of that mental state as the truth

> might be blinding you to recognized it everywhere and

> in every form.

If I implied a mental state, I didn't mean to.

I find it in my heart.

By heart I mean core of experience.

For me Truth resides at the Core.

Nothing is " away " from it.

What you call " everywhere and in every form " are but

the rays of Its manifestation.

Again, this is *my* Truth. I am not attempting to say

how it is for others.

More and more, my life changes from " me living the Truth " ,

to the Truth living what " appears as me " .

> Yes, i know what you mean. Sometimes is very bright,

> sometimes is very dark. Always terribly intense, it's

> this intensity that makes it seem like sunlight.

Marvelous insight. You are absolutely right. It is

not actually light, per se, but " blinding intensity " .

Peace and Light,

Bill

> pete seesaw [seesaw1us]

> --- Bill Rishel <plexus wrote:

> > Pete,

> >

> > So you are saying there is no Truth within.

> > Apparently there can be no " within " in the

> > first place, if I get your drift.

>

> No, I wrote there is no truth in a 'you', a person

> that

> can own a truth. And yes within is a concept. The

> universe doesn't have such borders as within and

> without.

>

> >

> > But the dual appears in the non-dual. The

> > dual is what creates " difference " which makes

> > experience possible.

> >

> > I do experience Truth within. It is brilliant

> > as a billion suns. I will die for this Truth.

> > This Truth is the essence of who I am.

>

> Yes, i know what you mean. Sometimes is very bright,

> sometimes is very dark. Always terribly intense, it's

> this intensity that makes it seem like sunlight. That

> is how the unknown impacts my brain. It might impact

> someone else differently. Am I painting legs on a

> snake

> by calling it truth? I don't call it anything.

> Your interpretation of that mental state as the truth

> might be blinding you to recognized it everywhere and

> in every form.

>

> >

> > Perhaps what I say here doesn't fit your or

> > someone else's model. But I am speaking my

> > experience. I am not assuming that my use of

> > the word " Truth " will mean anything to someone

> > else. I'm not trying to say what is for everyone.

> > I am only saying what is for me.

>

> I know. It's always different.

> >

> > I think these exchanges would be more meaningful

> > if we speak for ourselves. People don't need to

> > be " straightened out " .

>

> you need no straightened out. And i don't do that

> anyway, if someone claims to have no ego, i test that

> theory with a stick. And I'm very happy if i find out

> they were right.

>

> >

> > And most of all I ask that we speak to each other

> > with dignity.

>

> Yes sir! You have whatever respect I can muster.

> If you say you are sensitive, I'll wear my kid gloves.

>

> Pete

>

October 16, 2002

Anand,

Is speaking with vulnerability from the heart

something you would call bullshit?

Is speaking with simple plain honesty something

you would call bullshit?

Are you in a good mood?

-Bill

Anand Eswaran [anandesw]

Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:24 PM

Nisargadatta

Re: Re: On " being enlightened "

The sincerity of y'all is what I call bullshit.

Sorry but no other way I know of putting it.

-----

Anand.

--- dan330033 <dan330033 wrote:

<HR>

<tt>

Hi Anand,

Nisargadatta, Anand Eswaran

& lt;anandesw & gt; wrote:

& gt; And Dan, my friend, how are you?

Doing well enough, all things considered.

Glad to see you're in good spirits.

& gt; And, how is the seeking? & nbsp;

Goes wherever it goes.

& gt; -----

& gt; Anand.

& gt;

& gt; PS : You were right as regards telling Shankar

that I

& gt; would & nbsp; come out of hiding one day . & nbsp;

The Truth is such

& gt; that it's bearer cannot neglect it's influence

and go

& gt; about life routinely ( that's what Ive tried

& gt; unsuccesfully for the last 4 months to do) .

Maybe you're just going through a phase.

& gt; I would

& gt; like to meet with you sometime.Im living at

Pitsburgh

& gt; ( at CMU) which is close enough to Maryland.

Okay, I'll keep that in mind.

Thanks for the invite.

I'm in NC, so not to often in Pittsburgh,

& nbsp; but could happen.

& gt; Do you

& gt; know that though paradoxically Im supposed to be

the

& gt; self-realized dude , you are my guru of sorts.

:-)

Ah, I'll just be satisfied being your friend.

Gurus seem to have to have some kind of pointing

& nbsp; thing to do, and I can't seem to find any

pointers

& nbsp; at the moment.

& gt; All

& gt; I ever knew in my seeker days before IT happened

, I

& gt; knew from Shankar and you were a big big

influence on

& gt; him. Do come.

Nice to hear that.

We'll atleast talk lots of bullshit like

& gt; the assholes on these group.

I just say sincere things.

Bullshit isn't much fun for me.

Enjoying your good spirits,

Dan

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October 17, 2002

--- Anand Eswaran <anandesw wrote:

> That is your Truth. Stop playing games, accept it.

> -----

> Anand.

There is no rejection, no acceptance, no truth. Oh

yes,

there are games. When are you going to accept you are

just another player?

Pete

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October 17, 2002

>

> > I don't call it anything.

> > Your interpretation of that mental state as the

> truth

> > might be blinding you to recognized it everywhere

> and

> > in every form.

> If I implied a mental state, I didn't mean to.

> I find it in my heart.

> By heart I mean core of experience.

> For me Truth resides at the Core.

> Nothing is " away " from it.

Well, it might be a semantic difference, but i don't

see a core in anything i can call me. I see only the

vacuity of ideas, emotions, conditionings, memories,

desires etc. All those brain centers that conspire to

fool me into believing in a self with a core. As long

as one operates from a center, one is limited and held

back by that center. The unlimited vision only comes

into play when the imaginary center of the imaginary

you vanishes.

Freedom and openness, that's the trick.

Pete

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October 17, 2002

Pete,

> i don't

> see a core in anything i can call me

Neither do I " see " any. It is something I *feel*.

Basically there are two states for me.

Most generally there is a core of Deep Feeling.

The core of feeling is always softly turning.

Experience, light, consciousness seem to emanate

from this core of Deep Feeling.

Note that the Deep Feeling I speak of is not

" about " anything. It is pure feeling.

But when I go into deep meditation or am in

a highly " integrated " state, then the core

of Deep Feeling seems to expand and merge with

the radiated consciousness so there is no

center and everything is a shimmering, radiant

wholeness.

This second state is more integrated than the

first, but my peace really comes from knowing

that the core of Deep Feeling never leaves me.

Sometimes it may be fully expanded with no

center, sometimes it is my experiential heart

from which everything radiates. Either way,

this Core of Feeling, my Heart, is my All.

I need not look here nor there, for it is

All Here.

The following quote from Maharshi seems to speak

to the same thing:

All that you can say of the Heart is that it is the

very Core of your being, that with which you are

really identical (as the word in Sanskrit literally

means), whether you are awake, asleep or dreaming,

whether you are engaged in work or immersed in

Samadhi.

--Ramana Maharshi

I notice that your language is strongly visual in

orientation. What I am speaking of is rooted in

feeling. Perhaps it is more than a semantic

difference. Perhaps we are speaking in terms of

different " modalities " .

As for freedom and openness, absolutely.

A free heart, and an open mind, that's the key.

Bill

> > > I don't call it anything.

> > > Your interpretation of that mental state as the

> > truth

> > > might be blinding you to recognized it everywhere

> > and

> > > in every form.

> > If I implied a mental state, I didn't mean to.

> > I find it in my heart.

> > By heart I mean core of experience.

> > For me Truth resides at the Core.

> > Nothing is " away " from it.

>

> Well, it might be a semantic difference, but i don't

> see a core in anything i can call me. I see only the

> vacuity of ideas, emotions, conditionings, memories,

> desires etc. All those brain centers that conspire to

> fool me into believing in a self with a core. As long

> as one operates from a center, one is limited and held

> back by that center. The unlimited vision only comes

> into play when the imaginary center of the imaginary

> you vanishes.

>

> Freedom and openness, that's the trick.

>

> Pete

October 17, 2002

Im sorry but it is bullshit, Bill.

Once you realize that and start humoring yourself,

life becomes a whole lot simpler.

Pointed thinking on any matter would but lead you

this conclusion.Please do think upon this.

----

Anand.

--- Bill Rishel <plexus wrote:

<HR>

<tt>

Anand,

Is speaking with vulnerability from the heart

something you would call bullshit?

Is speaking with simple plain honesty something

you would call bullshit?

Are you in a good mood?

-Bill

Anand Eswaran [anandesw]

Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:24 PM

Nisargadatta

Re: Re: On & quot;being

enlightened & quot;

The sincerity of y'all is what I call bullshit.

Sorry but no other way I know of & nbsp; putting it.

-----

Anand.

--- dan330033 & lt;dan330033 & gt; wrote:

& lt;HR & gt;

& lt;html & gt; & lt;body & gt;

& lt;tt & gt;

Hi Anand, & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

Nisargadatta, Anand Eswaran

& amp;lt;anandesw & amp;gt; wrote: & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; And Dan, my friend, how are

you? & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

Doing well enough, all things

considered. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

Glad to see you're in good spirits. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; And, how is the seeking? & amp;nbsp;

& lt;BR & gt;

Goes wherever it goes. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; ----- & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; Anand. & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; PS : You were right as regards telling

Shankar

that I & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; would & amp;nbsp; come out of hiding one day

.. & amp;nbsp;

The Truth is such & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; that it's bearer cannot neglect it's

influence

and go & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; about life routinely ( that's what Ive

tried & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; unsuccesfully for the last 4 months to do) .

& lt;BR & gt;

Maybe you're just going through a phase. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; I would & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; like to meet with you sometime.Im living

at

Pitsburgh & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; ( at CMU) which is close enough to

Maryland. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

Okay, I'll keep that in mind. & lt;BR & gt;

Thanks for the invite. & lt;BR & gt;

I'm in NC, so not to often in

Pittsburgh, & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;nbsp; but could happen. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; Do you & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; know that though paradoxically Im supposed to

be

the & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; self-realized dude , you are my guru of

sorts.

:-) & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

Ah, I'll just be satisfied being your

friend. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

Gurus seem to have to have some kind of

pointing & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;nbsp; thing to do, and I can't seem to find

any

pointers & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;nbsp; at the moment. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; All & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; I ever knew in my seeker days before IT

happened

, I & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; knew from Shankar and you were a big big

influence on & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; him. Do come. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

Nice to hear that. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

We'll atleast talk lots of bullshit like & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; the assholes on these group. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

I just say sincere things. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

Bullshit isn't much fun for me. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

Enjoying your good spirits, & lt;BR & gt;

Dan & lt;BR & gt;

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--- Bill Rishel <plexus wrote:

> Pete,

>

> > i don't

> > see a core in anything i can call me

> Neither do I " see " any. It is something I *feel*.

>

> Basically there are two states for me.

> Most generally there is a core of Deep Feeling.

> The core of feeling is always softly turning.

> Experience, light, consciousness seem to emanate

> from this core of Deep Feeling.

>

> Note that the Deep Feeling I speak of is not

> " about " anything. It is pure feeling.

>

> But when I go into deep meditation or am in

> a highly " integrated " state, then the core

> of Deep Feeling seems to expand and merge with

> the radiated consciousness so there is no

> center and everything is a shimmering, radiant

> wholeness.

>

> This second state is more integrated than the

> first, but my peace really comes from knowing

> that the core of Deep Feeling never leaves me.

> Sometimes it may be fully expanded with no

> center, sometimes it is my experiential heart

> from which everything radiates. Either way,

> this Core of Feeling, my Heart, is my All.

> I need not look here nor there, for it is

> All Here.

>

Hi Bill,

Yes, I'm familiar with what you are referring to.

It has been amply documented and discussed in mystical

literature. It's just a stop on the way. I can see

that

it's a great consolation to you, and you sound

attached

to it. It's well documented also that this " core of

being' might one day not be there for you. In its

place

you would find total emptiness, a void.

Most people panic at this point, and suffer great

distress. They view this as a fall back, some sort

of punishment for something they did. It's not. Its

rather a sign of progress. Catholics call this period

" the dark night of he soul. " It's made even worse by

the fact that not only you feel a void when you look

within, but the world in general, and even people, and

activities also look unreal.

Everything is devoid of feelings. I went through this

thirty years ago and is no picnic, it lasted three

years. One day, as suddenly

as it came, it went away for no reason at all, that i

could tell. I was walking by the lake shore and the

whole world turned radiantly beautiful. I looked

inside and the emptiness inside was full of joy. It

lasted for two days and then faded, but the gloom

never returned. The worse thing you can do if this

happens, is to fight it. I think that if you accept it

and study it without fear, it will go away sooner.

Now emptiness is my core, my home, my very self and it

doesn't have a center and contains everything in

joyful

indifference.

Best to you,

Pete

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October 17, 2002

All that you can say of the Heart is that it is the

very Core of your being, that with which you are

really identical (as the word in Sanskrit literally

means), whether you are awake, asleep or dreaming,

whether you are engaged in work or immersed in

Samadhi.

--Ramana Maharshi

Thanks Bill for sharing the above quote - it is very soft yet potent.

There are many paths to enlightenment, something I often forget

myself. Many find 'I AM' through devotion, or though the mind.

Once while reading a quote by Pele, I could have sworn he had found

it playing soccer.

But in any case it seems to take a certain determination, focus,

almost like an all-consuming desire. Like when The Buddha sat

beneath the banyan tree determined not to rise until he had found

Self. This seems to fly in the face of a main characteristic of

enlightenment - which is non-attachment.

But the quote above from Ramana puts it into perspective. Even

though the path is an expansion of the heart and development of an

unbounded intellect able to discriminate the Real from the unreal,

yet enlightenment is LIVED AT THE CORE. A CORE most simple,

innocent, and uncontrived.

BTW, the above quote also introduces another concept - that of the

Witness or Core. In the state of 'ignorance' we experience various

objects of perception, sensoral objects, thoughts, emotions, etc.

In 'enlightenment' we experience the waking state, dream state and

sleep state - it is really taking a step back in its fullest sense.

Being a Witness to sleep is perhaps the 'biggest test' or signpost in

that it can not be contrived - - the I AM witnesses the dullness and

inertia of sleep.

October 17, 2002

Nisargadatta, " phamdluan2000 " <phamdluan@a...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

>

> Gurus seem to have to have some kind of pointing

> thing to do, and I can't seem to find any pointers

> at the moment.

>

> KKT: A pointerless pointer seems good, Dan :-))

> (like the Gateless Gate, the famous Zen Gate :-))

>

> KKT

Hi KKT --

Yes.

If there is something to say about it, then

it's being treated as a something about which something can

be said.

If there's a pointer, then it's being treated

as something that can be pointed to.

When there's no such thing as moving away or

toward, there isn't something to say, nor

a pointing.

We can observe that each word arises with its

opposite. Tree arises along with everything not-tree.

Nothing arises without everything else arising,

interdependent co-originating phenomena --

and phenomena include

any statements about something ultimate

or something relative.

Self arises with other, subject with object,

and words with the wordless.

Speaking wordlessly,

Dan

October 17, 2002

Nisargadatta, pete seesaw <seesaw1us> wrote:

> >

> > > I don't call it anything.

> > > Your interpretation of that mental state as the

> > truth

> > > might be blinding you to recognized it everywhere

> > and

> > > in every form.

> > If I implied a mental state, I didn't mean to.

> > I find it in my heart.

> > By heart I mean core of experience.

> > For me Truth resides at the Core.

> > Nothing is " away " from it.

>

> Well, it might be a semantic difference, but i don't

> see a core in anything i can call me. I see only the

> vacuity of ideas, emotions, conditionings, memories,

> desires etc. All those brain centers that conspire to

> fool me into believing in a self with a core. As long

> as one operates from a center, one is limited and held

> back by that center. The unlimited vision only comes

> into play when the imaginary center of the imaginary

> you vanishes.

>

> Freedom and openness, that's the trick.

>

> Pete

Conceptuality involves a center and a periphery,

an inside and an outside.

Conceptuality is phenomena, is arisings and

dissolutions, is birth and death.

A conceptual entity is defined, experiences

because has a perspective, has

an inside/outside, experiences changes

over time.

We can't speak of what is not conceptual,

but we can comment about how cognizable

experiences appear.

-- Dan

October 17, 2002

I'm going to have to rephrase that for you

Anand. " It is bullshit *to you*. "

If you ask me -- which you implicitly do --

" pointed thinking leads to a dull head " .

And you can consider that a test of your

humor.

And when you say, " ...please do think on this " ...

My God Man! Are you out of your mind?

Think?

That's Stone Age stuff.

-Bill

Anand Eswaran [anandesw]

Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:23 AM

Nisargadatta

RE: Re: On " being enlightened "

Im sorry but it is bullshit, Bill.

Once you realize that and start humoring yourself,

life becomes a whole lot simpler.

Pointed thinking on any matter would but lead you

this conclusion.Please do think upon this.

----

Anand.

--- Bill Rishel <plexus wrote:

<HR>

<tt>

Anand,

Is speaking with vulnerability from the heart

something you would call bullshit?

Is speaking with simple plain honesty something

you would call bullshit?

Are you in a good mood?

-Bill

Anand Eswaran [anandesw]

Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:24 PM

Nisargadatta

Re: Re: On & quot;being

enlightened & quot;

The sincerity of y'all is what I call bullshit.

Sorry but no other way I know of & nbsp; putting it.

-----

Anand.

--- dan330033 & lt;dan330033 & gt; wrote:

& lt;HR & gt;

& lt;html & gt; & lt;body & gt;

& lt;tt & gt;

Hi Anand, & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

Nisargadatta, Anand Eswaran

& amp;lt;anandesw & amp;gt; wrote: & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; And Dan, my friend, how are

you? & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

Doing well enough, all things

considered. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

Glad to see you're in good spirits. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; And, how is the seeking? & amp;nbsp;

& lt;BR & gt;

Goes wherever it goes. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; ----- & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; Anand. & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; PS : You were right as regards telling

Shankar

that I & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; would & amp;nbsp; come out of hiding one day

.. & amp;nbsp;

The Truth is such & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; that it's bearer cannot neglect it's

influence

and go & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; about life routinely ( that's what Ive

tried & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; unsuccesfully for the last 4 months to do) .

& lt;BR & gt;

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& lt;BR & gt;

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at

Pitsburgh & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;gt; ( at CMU) which is close enough to

Maryland. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

Okay, I'll keep that in mind. & lt;BR & gt;

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I'm in NC, so not to often in

Pittsburgh, & lt;BR & gt;

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October 17, 2002

Yes! Who wants to think. Be. That will do.

-----

Anand.

--- Bill Rishel <plexus wrote:

<HR>

<tt>

I'm going to have to rephrase that for you

Anand. & quot;It is bullshit *to you*. & quot;

If you ask me -- which you implicitly do --

& quot;pointed thinking leads to a dull head & quot;.

And you can consider that a test of your

humor.

And when you say, & quot;...please do think on

this & quot;...

My God Man! Are you out of your mind?

Think?

That's Stone Age stuff.

-Bill

Anand Eswaran [anandesw]

Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:23 AM

Nisargadatta

RE: Re: On & quot;being

enlightened & quot;

& nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Im sorry but it is bullshit,

Bill.

Once you realize that and start humoring yourself,

life becomes a whole lot simpler.

Pointed thinking on any matter would but lead you

this conclusion.Please do think upon this.

----

Anand.

--- Bill Rishel & lt;plexus & gt;

wrote:

& lt;HR & gt;

& lt;html & gt; & lt;body & gt;

& lt;tt & gt;

Anand, & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

Is speaking with vulnerability from the

heart & lt;BR & gt;

something you would call bullshit? & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

Is speaking with simple plain honesty

something & lt;BR & gt;

you would call bullshit? & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

Are you in a good mood? & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

-Bill & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

Anand Eswaran

[anandesw] & lt;BR & gt;

Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:24

PM & lt;BR & gt;

Nisargadatta & lt;BR & gt;

Re: Re: On & amp;quot;being

enlightened & amp;quot; & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

The sincerity of y'all is what I call

bullshit. & lt;BR & gt;

Sorry but no other way I know of & amp;nbsp; putting

it. & lt;BR & gt;

----- & lt;BR & gt;

Anand. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

--- dan330033 & amp;lt;dan330033 & amp;gt;

wrote: & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;HR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;html & amp;gt; & amp;lt;body & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;tt & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Hi Anand, & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Nisargadatta, Anand Eswaran & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;anandesw & amp;amp;gt;

wrote: & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; And Dan, my friend, how are

you? & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Doing well enough, all things

considered. & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Glad to see you're in good

spirits. & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; And, how is the

seeking? & amp;amp;nbsp;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Goes wherever it goes. & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; ----- & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; Anand. & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; PS : You were right as regards

telling

Shankar & lt;BR & gt;

that I & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; would & amp;amp;nbsp; come out of hiding

one day

.. & amp;amp;nbsp; & lt;BR & gt;

The Truth is such & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; that it's bearer cannot neglect it's

influence & lt;BR & gt;

and go & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; about life routinely ( that's what

Ive

tried & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; unsuccesfully for the last 4 months to

do) .

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Maybe you're just going through a

phase. & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; I would & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; like to meet with you sometime.Im

living

at & lt;BR & gt;

Pitsburgh & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; ( at CMU) which is close enough to

Maryland. & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Okay, I'll keep that in

mind. & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Thanks for the invite. & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

I'm in NC, so not to often in

Pittsburgh, & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;nbsp; but could

happen. & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; Do you & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; know that though paradoxically Im

supposed to

be & lt;BR & gt;

the & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; self-realized dude , you are my guru

of

sorts. & lt;BR & gt;

:-) & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Ah, I'll just be satisfied being your

friend. & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Gurus seem to have to have some kind of

pointing & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;nbsp; thing to do, and I can't seem to

find

any & lt;BR & gt;

pointers & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;nbsp; at the

moment. & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; All & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; I ever knew in my seeker days before

IT

happened & lt;BR & gt;

, I & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; knew from Shankar and you were a big

big & lt;BR & gt;

influence on & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; him. Do

come. & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Nice to hear that. & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

We'll atleast talk lots of bullshit

like & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;gt; the assholes on these group.

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

I just say sincere

things. & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Bullshit isn't much fun for

me. & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Enjoying your good

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Dan & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

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October 17, 2002

Your sincerity is bullshit ( I stick to my claim)

If you can understood what I say, you've understood

everything there needs to be understood.It requires

courage to take such a stance.

-----

Anand.

--- Anand Eswaran <anandesw wrote:

<HR>

<tt>

Yes! Who wants to think. Be. That will do.

-----

Anand.

--- Bill Rishel & lt;plexus & gt; wrote:

& lt;HR & gt;

& lt;html & gt; & lt;body & gt;

& lt;tt & gt;

I'm going to have to rephrase that for

you & lt;BR & gt;

Anand. & amp;quot;It is bullshit *to

you*. & amp;quot; & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

If you ask me -- which you implicitly do

-- & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;quot;pointed thinking leads to a dull

head & amp;quot;. & lt;BR & gt;

And you can consider that a test of your & lt;BR & gt;

humor. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

And when you say, & amp;quot;...please do think on

this & amp;quot;... & lt;BR & gt;

My God Man! Are you out of your mind? & lt;BR & gt;

Think? & lt;BR & gt;

That's Stone Age stuff. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

-Bill & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

Anand Eswaran

[anandesw] & lt;BR & gt;

Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:23 AM & lt;BR & gt;

Nisargadatta & lt;BR & gt;

RE: Re: On & amp;quot;being

enlightened & amp;quot; & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

& amp;nbsp; & amp;nbsp; & amp;nbsp; & amp;nbsp; Im sorry but

it is bullshit,

Bill. & lt;BR & gt;

Once you realize that and start humoring

yourself, & lt;BR & gt;

life becomes a whole lot simpler. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

Pointed thinking on any matter would but lead

you & lt;BR & gt;

this conclusion.Please do think upon

this. & lt;BR & gt;

---- & lt;BR & gt;

Anand. & lt;BR & gt;

& lt;BR & gt;

--- Bill Rishel

& amp;lt;plexus & amp;gt;

wrote: & lt;BR & gt;

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Anand, & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Is speaking with vulnerability from the

heart & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

something you would call

bullshit? & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Is speaking with simple plain honesty

something & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

you would call

bullshit? & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Are you in a good

mood? & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

-Bill & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

-----Original

Message----- & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Anand Eswaran

[anandesw] & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:24

PM & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

To:

Nisargadatta & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Re: Re: On

& amp;amp;quot;being & lt;BR & gt;

enlightened & amp;amp;quot; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

The sincerity of y'all is what I call

bullshit. & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Sorry but no other way I know of & amp;amp;nbsp;

putting

it. & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

----- & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Anand. & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

--- dan330033

& amp;amp;lt;dan330033 & amp;amp;gt;

wrote: & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;HR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;html & amp;amp;gt; & amp;amp;lt;body & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR\

& gt;

& amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;tt & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Hi

Anand, & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Nisargadatta, Anand

Eswaran & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;lt;anandesw & amp;amp;amp;gt;

wrote: & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt; And Dan, my friend, how

are & lt;BR & gt;

you? & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Doing well enough, all things & lt;BR & gt;

considered. & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Glad to see you're in good

spirits. & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt; And, how is the

seeking? & amp;amp;amp;nbsp; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Goes wherever it

goes. & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt;

----- & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt;

Anand. & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt;

& amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt; PS : You were right as regards

telling & lt;BR & gt;

Shankar & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

that

I & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt; would & amp;amp;amp;nbsp; come out of

hiding

one day & lt;BR & gt;

.. & amp;amp;amp;nbsp; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

The Truth is

such & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt; that it's bearer cannot neglect

it's & lt;BR & gt;

influence & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

and

go & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt; about life routinely ( that's

what

Ive & lt;BR & gt;

tried & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt; unsuccesfully for the last 4 months

to

do) . & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Maybe you're just going through a

phase. & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt; I

would & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt; like to meet with you sometime.Im

living & lt;BR & gt;

at & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Pitsburgh & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt; ( at CMU) which is close enough

to & lt;BR & gt;

Maryland. & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Okay, I'll keep that in

mind. & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Thanks for the

invite. & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

I'm in NC, so not to often in & lt;BR & gt;

Pittsburgh, & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;nbsp; but could

happen. & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt; Do

you & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt; know that though paradoxically Im

supposed to & lt;BR & gt;

be & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

the & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt; self-realized dude , you are my

guru

of & lt;BR & gt;

sorts. & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

:-)

& amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Ah, I'll just be satisfied being your & lt;BR & gt;

friend. & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Gurus seem to have to have some kind of & lt;BR & gt;

pointing & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;nbsp; thing to do, and I can't seem

to

find & lt;BR & gt;

any & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

pointers & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;nbsp; at the

moment. & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt;

All & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt; I ever knew in my seeker days

before

IT & lt;BR & gt;

happened & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

,

I & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt; knew from Shankar and you were a

big

big & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

influence

on & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt; him. Do

come. & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Nice to hear

that. & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

We'll atleast talk lots of bullshit

like & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;amp;gt; the assholes on these group.

& amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

I just say sincere

things. & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Bullshit isn't much fun for

me. & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

& amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Enjoying your good

spirits, & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

Dan & amp;amp;lt;BR & amp;amp;gt; & amp;lt;BR & amp;gt; & lt;BR & gt;

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October 17, 2002

Pete,

This is a sensitive message from you, and very

beautiful. I seem to have learned more about who

Pete is this last week than all the former time

I've spent on this list.

We are probably at an impasse as far as communication

about our experience at this point. Which is only

natural, actually. One can go only so far with words.

Past that each of us dissolves into the misty

unknown.

I advise care about assuming you can assess where someone

else is in some kind of spiritual evolutionary

continuum.

I do know the Emptiness. I know the Non beyond all Cognition.

I have long, long known.

The Heart is another matter.

Bill

> pete seesaw [seesaw1us]

> --- Bill Rishel <plexus wrote:

> > Pete,

> >

> > > i don't

> > > see a core in anything i can call me

> > Neither do I " see " any. It is something I *feel*.

> >

> > Basically there are two states for me.

> > Most generally there is a core of Deep Feeling.

> > The core of feeling is always softly turning.

> > Experience, light, consciousness seem to emanate

> > from this core of Deep Feeling.

> >

> > Note that the Deep Feeling I speak of is not

> > " about " anything. It is pure feeling.

> >

> > But when I go into deep meditation or am in

> > a highly " integrated " state, then the core

> > of Deep Feeling seems to expand and merge with

> > the radiated consciousness so there is no

> > center and everything is a shimmering, radiant

> > wholeness.

> >

> > This second state is more integrated than the

> > first, but my peace really comes from knowing

> > that the core of Deep Feeling never leaves me.

> > Sometimes it may be fully expanded with no

> > center, sometimes it is my experiential heart

> > from which everything radiates. Either way,

> > this Core of Feeling, my Heart, is my All.

> > I need not look here nor there, for it is

> > All Here.

> >

> Hi Bill,

>

> Yes, I'm familiar with what you are referring to.

> It has been amply documented and discussed in mystical

> literature. It's just a stop on the way. I can see

> that

> it's a great consolation to you, and you sound

> attached

> to it. It's well documented also that this " core of

> being' might one day not be there for you. In its

> place

> you would find total emptiness, a void.

>

> Most people panic at this point, and suffer great

> distress. They view this as a fall back, some sort

> of punishment for something they did. It's not. Its

> rather a sign of progress. Catholics call this period

> " the dark night of he soul. " It's made even worse by

> the fact that not only you feel a void when you look

> within, but the world in general, and even people, and

> activities also look unreal.

>

> Everything is devoid of feelings. I went through this

> thirty years ago and is no picnic, it lasted three

> years. One day, as suddenly

> as it came, it went away for no reason at all, that i

> could tell. I was walking by the lake shore and the

> whole world turned radiantly beautiful. I looked

> inside and the emptiness inside was full of joy. It

> lasted for two days and then faded, but the gloom

> never returned. The worse thing you can do if this

> happens, is to fight it. I think that if you accept it

> and study it without fear, it will go away sooner.

> Now emptiness is my core, my home, my very self and it

> doesn't have a center and contains everything in

> joyful

> indifference.

>

> Best to you,

>

> Pete

>

October 17, 2002

Trem,

Very eloquent message.

In:

<< Even

though the path is an expansion of the heart and development of an

unbounded intellect able to discriminate the Real from the unreal,

yet enlightenment is LIVED AT THE CORE. A CORE most simple,

innocent, and uncontrived.

>>

I am struck by the balance reflected in " expansion of the

heart " and " unbounded intellect " .

The last line above is wonderful. It reminds me of the saying,

" Be as children... " .

Thanks,

Bill

trem23 [inmadison]

Thursday, October 17, 2002 8:18 AM

Nisargadatta

Re: On " being enlightened "

All that you can say of the Heart is that it is the

very Core of your being, that with which you are

really identical (as the word in Sanskrit literally

means), whether you are awake, asleep or dreaming,

whether you are engaged in work or immersed in

Samadhi.

--Ramana Maharshi

Thanks Bill for sharing the above quote - it is very soft yet potent.

There are many paths to enlightenment, something I often forget

myself. Many find 'I AM' through devotion, or though the mind.

Once while reading a quote by Pele, I could have sworn he had found

it playing soccer.

But in any case it seems to take a certain determination, focus,

almost like an all-consuming desire. Like when The Buddha sat

beneath the banyan tree determined not to rise until he had found

Self. This seems to fly in the face of a main characteristic of

enlightenment - which is non-attachment.

But the quote above from Ramana puts it into perspective. Even

though the path is an expansion of the heart and development of an

unbounded intellect able to discriminate the Real from the unreal,

yet enlightenment is LIVED AT THE CORE. A CORE most simple,

innocent, and uncontrived.

BTW, the above quote also introduces another concept - that of the

Witness or Core. In the state of 'ignorance' we experience various

objects of perception, sensoral objects, thoughts, emotions, etc.

In 'enlightenment' we experience the waking state, dream state and

sleep state - it is really taking a step back in its fullest sense.

Being a Witness to sleep is perhaps the 'biggest test' or signpost in

that it can not be contrived - - the I AM witnesses the dullness and

inertia of sleep.

October 18, 2002

Nisargadatta, Anand Eswaran <anandesw> wrote:

> Your sincerity is bullshit ( I stick to my claim)

You have no grounds to make this comment,

as your bullshit is not above his.

> If you can understood what I say, you've understood

> everything there needs to be understood.It requires

> courage to take such a stance.

>

> -----

> Anand.

On the contrary, not understanding what you say is

all that needs to be understood.

The stance you've taken, that you've taken a

courageous stance, isn't courageous.

-- Dan

October 18, 2002

Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote:

> Pete,

>

> This is a sensitive message from you, and very

> beautiful. I seem to have learned more about who

> Pete is this last week than all the former time

> I've spent on this list.

>

> We are probably at an impasse as far as communication

> about our experience at this point. Which is only

> natural, actually. One can go only so far with words.

> Past that each of us dissolves into the misty

> unknown.

>

> I advise care about assuming you can assess where someone

> else is in some kind of spiritual evolutionary

> continuum.

>

> I do know the Emptiness. I know the Non beyond all Cognition.

> I have long, long known.

>

> The Heart is another matter.

>

> Bill

You seem to be jockeying for position here, Bill.

All these claims about who knew what when.

What nonsense!

I won't use the word bullshit, because it's

getting used too frequently lately, but

please!

So many claims to know something, all this

going back and forth about who really

knows.

And on an open e-mail list, for God's sake!

It is great entertainment, is it not?

-- Dan

October 18, 2002

This list may yet turn into

the mutual reinforcement of

enlightened self-images.

Darkness is always lurking!

-- Dan

Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote:

> Trem,

>

> Very eloquent message.

>

> In:

> << Even

> though the path is an expansion of the heart and development of an

> unbounded intellect able to discriminate the Real from the unreal,

> yet enlightenment is LIVED AT THE CORE. A CORE most simple,

> innocent, and uncontrived.

> >>

> I am struck by the balance reflected in " expansion of the

> heart " and " unbounded intellect " .

> The last line above is wonderful. It reminds me of the saying,

> " Be as children... " .

>

> Thanks,

> Bill

>

> trem23 [inmadison@h...]

> Thursday, October 17, 2002 8:18 AM

> Nisargadatta

> Re: On " being enlightened "

>

> All that you can say of the Heart is that it is the

> very Core of your being, that with which you are

> really identical (as the word in Sanskrit literally

> means), whether you are awake, asleep or dreaming,

> whether you are engaged in work or immersed in

> Samadhi.

>

> --Ramana Maharshi

>

> Thanks Bill for sharing the above quote - it is very soft yet

potent.

>

> There are many paths to enlightenment, something I often forget

> myself. Many find 'I AM' through devotion, or though the mind.

> Once while reading a quote by Pele, I could have sworn he had found

> it playing soccer.

>

> But in any case it seems to take a certain determination, focus,

> almost like an all-consuming desire. Like when The Buddha sat

> beneath the banyan tree determined not to rise until he had found

> Self. This seems to fly in the face of a main characteristic of

> enlightenment - which is non-attachment.

>

> But the quote above from Ramana puts it into perspective. Even

> though the path is an expansion of the heart and development of an

> unbounded intellect able to discriminate the Real from the unreal,

> yet enlightenment is LIVED AT THE CORE. A CORE most simple,

> innocent, and uncontrived.

>

> BTW, the above quote also introduces another concept - that of the

> Witness or Core. In the state of 'ignorance' we experience various

> objects of perception, sensoral objects, thoughts, emotions, etc.

> In 'enlightenment' we experience the waking state, dream state and

> sleep state - it is really taking a step back in its fullest

sense.

> Being a Witness to sleep is perhaps the 'biggest test' or signpost

in

> that it can not be contrived - - the I AM witnesses the dullness

and

> inertia of sleep.

>

October 18, 2002

--- Bill Rishel <plexus wrote:

> Pete,

>

> This is a sensitive message from you, and very

> beautiful. I seem to have learned more about who

> Pete is this last week than all the former time

> I've spent on this list.

Ah, Pete, there is nothing to understand there.

Unpete

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October 18, 2002

Beautiful.

When we put our minds aside

and just Be

our differences dissolve.

-Bill

Anand Eswaran [anandesw]

Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:54 PM

Nisargadatta

RE: Re: On " being enlightened "

Yes! Who wants to think. Be. That will do.

-----

Anand.

--- Bill Rishel <plexus wrote:

<HR>

<tt>

I'm going to have to rephrase that for you

Anand. & quot;It is bullshit *to you*. & quot;

If you ask me -- which you implicitly do --

& quot;pointed thinking leads to a dull head & quot;.

And you can consider that a test of your

humor.

And when you say, & quot;...please do think on

this & quot;...

My God Man! Are you out of your mind?

Think?

That's Stone Age stuff.

-Bill

Anand Eswaran [anandesw]

Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:23 AM

Nisargadatta

RE: Re: On & quot;being

enlightened & quot;

& nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Im sorry but it is bullshit,

Bill.

Once you realize that and start humoring yourself,

life becomes a whole lot simpler.

Pointed thinking on any matter would but lead you

this conclusion.Please do think upon this.

----

Anand.

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