alternate humble opinion of a damned fool!

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

 

Judy is a sincere person.

 

She states honestly how she sees it.

 

She seems to feel that when people get

riled up by her honesty, that she's

given them an opportunity to look

at the balloons of inflated spiritualized

self-esteem in which they try to live.

 

Of course, the people she speaks to in this

way often don't agree, point out that she's

just talking about herself, she's the inflated one,

or she's a hypocrite, ignorant,

etc. Sometimes they get really mad or upset.

 

And yet -- she keeps " exposing 'spiritual trips' " nonetheless.

 

She's like the energizer bunny.

 

She keeps going, and going, and going.

 

Quite remarkable.

 

I asked her about this once, and she said,

" it's a tough job, but someone has to do it. "

 

Go figure?

 

Anyway, just thought I'd share my perspective

of Judi, after having seen her antics on-line

for some time.

 

:-)

 

Love to all,

Dan

 

 

> If judy, could only stop her uncontrollable hypocrisy, and

ignorance

> for even one instant, she might see what a complete fool she is

> pretending to be.

>

> regards,

> mike

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

> Hi Mike,

>

> Judy is a sincere person.

>

> She states honestly how she sees it.

>

> She seems to feel that when people get

> riled up by her honesty, that she's

> given them an opportunity to look

> at the balloons of inflated spiritualized

> self-esteem in which they try to live.

>

> Of course, the people she speaks to in this

> way often don't agree, point out that she's

> just talking about herself, she's the inflated one,

> or she's a hypocrite, ignorant,

> etc. Sometimes they get really mad or upset.

>

> And yet -- she keeps " exposing 'spiritual trips' " nonetheless.

>

> She's like the energizer bunny.

>

> She keeps going, and going, and going.

>

> Quite remarkable.

>

> I asked her about this once, and she said,

> " it's a tough job, but someone has to do it. "

>

> Go figure?

>

> Anyway, just thought I'd share my perspective

> of Judi, after having seen her antics on-line

> for some time.

>

> :-)

>

> Love to all,

> Dan

>

Horseshit!

 

>

> > If judy, could only stop her uncontrollable hypocrisy, and

> ignorance

> > for even one instant, she might see what a complete fool she is

> > pretending to be.

> >

> > regards,

> > mike

[Guest guest]

> Horseshit!

 

God bless you!

[Guest guest]

Firstly, Hitler was not at all

a sincere person who was honest.

 

In fact, he described what he was

doing as a " Big Lie " saying that

if you repeat a big lie often enough,

people will believe it.

 

He never hesitated to distort truth

or outright lie to achieve his goals,

for one example, please review your history about

how the concentration camps were

lied about.

 

One of his major goals included mass murder.

 

So, secondly: you don't consider

there's a bit of projection

occurring when equating a mass murderer with

someone who posts things you don't

like?

 

And thirdly: you are sure this comparison

is an expression of love and bliss?

 

 

> Hitler was a sincere person

> He stated honestly how he saw things

> Some people got riled up about his honesty...

> oh please

>

>

> Hi Mike,

>

> Judy is a sincere person.

>

> She states honestly how she sees it.

>

> She seems to feel that when people get

> riled up by her honesty, that she's

> given them an opportunity to look

> at the balloons of inflated spiritualized

> self-esteem in which they try to live.

>

> Of course, the people she speaks to in this

> way often don't agree, point out that she's

> just talking about herself, she's the inflated one,

> or she's a hypocrite, ignorant,

> etc. Sometimes they get really mad or upset.

>

> And yet -- she keeps " exposing 'spiritual trips' " nonetheless.

>

> She's like the energizer bunny.

>

> She keeps going, and going, and going.

>

> Quite remarkable.

>

> I asked her about this once, and she said,

> " it's a tough job, but someone has to do it. "

>

> Go figure?

>

> Anyway, just thought I'd share my perspective

> of Judi, after having seen her antics on-line

> for some time.

>

> :-)

>

> Love to all,

> Dan

>

>

> > If judy, could only stop her uncontrollable hypocrisy, and

> ignorance

> > for even one instant, she might see what a complete fool she is

> > pretending to be.

> >

> > regards,

> > mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Are you disturbed by thoughts?

 

Like the thought that Judi has hatred, anger, intolerance

and bigotry? Or that a group might believe she's

enlightened?

 

Which of those thoughts would be more disturbing to you?

 

 

> Thanks Mike

> It could be disturbing .. thinking that this was a group who

believed that those with hatred, anger, intolerance and bigotry were

enlightened..

>

> >

> Horseshit!

>

> >

> > > If judy, could only stop her uncontrollable hypocrisy, and

> > ignorance

> > > for even one instant, she might see what a complete fool she

is

> > > pretending to be.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > mike

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Dan

 

I suspect this whole act is about attention. I suspect Judi has an injured

inner child who is constantly lashing out which is why it goes on and on and

on..

 

Give everyone their right to their perception..

 

Clean the board.

 

>Firstly, Hitler was not at all

> a sincere person who was honest.

>

>In fact, he described what he was

> doing as a " Big Lie " saying that

> if you repeat a big lie often enough,

> people will believe it.

>

>He never hesitated to distort truth

> or outright lie to achieve his goals,

> for one example, please review your history about

> how the concentration camps were

> lied about.

>

>One of his major goals included mass murder.

>

>So, secondly: you don't consider

> there's a bit of projection

> occurring when equating a mass murderer with

> someone who posts things you don't

> like?

>

>And thirdly: you are sure this comparison

> is an expression of love and bliss?

>

>

> > Hitler was a sincere person

> > He stated honestly how he saw things

> > Some people got riled up about his honesty...

> > oh please

> >

> >

> > Hi Mike,

> >

> > Judy is a sincere person.

> >

> > She states honestly how she sees it.

> >

> > She seems to feel that when people get

> > riled up by her honesty, that she's

> > given them an opportunity to look

> > at the balloons of inflated spiritualized

> > self-esteem in which they try to live.

> >

> > Of course, the people she speaks to in this

> > way often don't agree, point out that she's

> > just talking about herself, she's the inflated one,

> > or she's a hypocrite, ignorant,

> > etc. Sometimes they get really mad or upset.

> >

> > And yet -- she keeps " exposing 'spiritual trips' " nonetheless.

> >

> > She's like the energizer bunny.

> >

> > She keeps going, and going, and going.

> >

> > Quite remarkable.

> >

> > I asked her about this once, and she said,

> > " it's a tough job, but someone has to do it. "

> >

> > Go figure?

> >

> > Anyway, just thought I'd share my perspective

> > of Judi, after having seen her antics on-line

> > for some time.

> >

> > :-)

> >

> > Love to all,

> > Dan

> >

> >

> > > If judy, could only stop her uncontrollable hypocrisy, and

> > ignorance

> > > for even one instant, she might see what a complete fool she is

> > > pretending to be.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > mike

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hey Leo --

 

> I suspect this whole act is about attention.

 

Well, when someone thinks that everyone else's act is

about attention, except theirs, that may be a clue :-)

 

Like Adi Da, for example.

 

" All you are looking for is attention " -- and then

he would speak on and on to all hours of the night,

and have his followers record every word ...

 

> I suspect Judi has an injured

> inner child who is constantly lashing out which is why it goes on

and on and

> on..

 

An interesting suspicion.

 

Injury can lead to anger and resentment.

 

 

> Give everyone their right to their perception..

 

Certainly.

 

Perception is perception.

It occurs as is.

 

Judging a perception right or wrong

can only be another perception,

occurring " after the fact " ...

 

And then, that perception might also

be judged ... or just dropped away :-)

 

Is the former perception really linked

to the present perception in a way

that allows judgment?

 

Or is perception timeless, noncontinuous?

 

> Clean the board.

 

Yes.

 

What is clean has never been stained.

 

All the dirt of the world has never

stained it.

 

Namaste!

[Guest guest]

Yes, let's find this fellow

who got lost somewhere again.

 

That sounds like an important elf mission.

 

First, we better find something other

than being, in which a fellow

could get lost.

 

Meanwhile, let's forget to remember

what you forgot.

 

It might have just been one of those

pesky intellectual concepts ...

 

:-)

 

 

 

 

 

> No No No Dan.. No doubt you are lost again.. in intellectual

concepts rather than Being

> It was not an expression of bliss..

> In fact I have forgotton.. it has long since passed.. probably

shock

[Guest guest]

dan330033 wrote:

>

> Hi Mike,

>

> Judy is a sincere person.

>

> She states honestly how she sees it.

>

> She seems to feel that when people get

> riled up by her honesty, that she's

> given them an opportunity to look

> at the balloons of inflated spiritualized

> self-esteem in which they try to live.

>

> Of course, the people she speaks to in this

> way often don't agree, point out that she's

> just talking about herself, she's the inflated one,

> or she's a hypocrite, ignorant,

> etc. Sometimes they get really mad or upset.

>

> And yet -- she keeps " exposing 'spiritual trips' " nonetheless.

>

> She's like the energizer bunny.

>

> She keeps going, and going, and going.

>

> Quite remarkable.

>

> I asked her about this once, and she said,

> " it's a tough job, but someone has to do it. "

>

> Go figure?

>

> Anyway, just thought I'd share my perspective

> of Judi, after having seen her antics on-line

> for some time.

>

> :-)

>

> Love to all,

> Dan

>

**** Thank you sweetie, I appreciate that. And we do have some fun don't

we? :-)

 

Judi

[Guest guest]

dan330033 wrote:

>

> Are you disturbed by thoughts?

>

**** Well that's a disturbing thought! :-)

 

Now I'm disturbed. :-)

 

Judi

[Guest guest]

Well Dan, I haven't posted to this group in a mighty long time. just about

been deleting Nisargadatta emails as quickly as I open them. lost interest

in all the word games, but wow! I couldn't resist!

you really take the cake with this one!

 

-

" dan330033 " <dan330033

<Nisargadatta >

Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:24 PM

Re: alternate humble opinion of a damned fool!

 

 

> Hi Mike,

>

> Judy is a sincere person.

>

> She states honestly how she sees it.

>

> She seems to feel that when people get

> riled up by her honesty, that she's

> given them an opportunity to look

> at the balloons of inflated spiritualized

> self-esteem in which they try to live.

>

> Of course, the people she speaks to in this

> way often don't agree, point out that she's

> just talking about herself, she's the inflated one,

> or she's a hypocrite, ignorant,

> etc. Sometimes they get really mad or upset.

>

> And yet -- she keeps " exposing 'spiritual trips' " nonetheless.

>

> She's like the energizer bunny.

>

> She keeps going, and going, and going.

>

> Quite remarkable.

>

> I asked her about this once, and she said,

> " it's a tough job, but someone has to do it. "

>

> Go figure?

>

> Anyway, just thought I'd share my perspective

> of Judi, after having seen her antics on-line

> for some time.

>

> :-)

>

> Love to all,

> Dan

>

>

> > If judy, could only stop her uncontrollable hypocrisy, and

> ignorance

> > for even one instant, she might see what a complete fool she is

> > pretending to be.

> >

> > regards,

> > mike

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey all

 

Concepts, concepts everywhere , not a drop of bliss!

It's a freakin joke , if you could only realize!

So let's do a badoodaadeeedaaaa , while you are

still ( a separate ) you. Piss-offs are just not worth

it!!

 

 

Anand.

 

 

--- skydancer <skydancer wrote: > No No

No Dan.. No doubt you are lost again.. in

> intellectual concepts rather than Being

> It was not an expression of bliss..

> In fact I have forgotton.. it has long since

> passed.. probably shock

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:19 PM

> Re: alternate humble

> opinion of a damned fool!

>

>

> Firstly, Hitler was not at all

> a sincere person who was honest.

>

> In fact, he described what he was

> doing as a " Big Lie " saying that

> if you repeat a big lie often enough,

> people will believe it.

>

> He never hesitated to distort truth

> or outright lie to achieve his goals,

> for one example, please review your history

> about

> how the concentration camps were

> lied about.

>

> One of his major goals included mass murder.

>

> So, secondly: you don't consider

> there's a bit of projection

> occurring when equating a mass murderer with

> someone who posts things you don't

> like?

>

> And thirdly: you are sure this comparison

> is an expression of love and bliss?

>

>

> > Hitler was a sincere person

> > He stated honestly how he saw things

> > Some people got riled up about his honesty...

> > oh please

> >

> >

> > Hi Mike,

> >

> > Judy is a sincere person.

> >

> > She states honestly how she sees it.

> >

> > She seems to feel that when people get

> > riled up by her honesty, that she's

> > given them an opportunity to look

> > at the balloons of inflated spiritualized

> > self-esteem in which they try to live.

> >

> > Of course, the people she speaks to in this

> > way often don't agree, point out that she's

> > just talking about herself, she's the

> inflated one,

> > or she's a hypocrite, ignorant,

> > etc. Sometimes they get really mad or

> upset.

> >

> > And yet -- she keeps " exposing 'spiritual

> trips' " nonetheless.

> >

> > She's like the energizer bunny.

> >

> > She keeps going, and going, and going.

> >

> > Quite remarkable.

> >

> > I asked her about this once, and she said,

> > " it's a tough job, but someone has to do

> it. "

> >

> > Go figure?

> >

> > Anyway, just thought I'd share my perspective

> > of Judi, after having seen her antics

> on-line

> > for some time.

> >

> > :-)

> >

> > Love to all,

> > Dan

> >

> >

> > > If judy, could only stop her uncontrollable

> hypocrisy, and

> > ignorance

> > > for even one instant, she might see what a

> complete fool she is

> > > pretending to be.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > mike

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> **** Thank you sweetie, I appreciate that. And we do have some fun

don't

> we? :-)

>

> Judi

 

 

Sure we do.

 

There's fun sometimes, also sadness.

 

Sadness at the spiritual self-image

repeatedly being proclaimed as realization

and the belief-system version of wholeness

repeatedly mistaken for truth.

 

As if whoever yells the loudest must know the truth --

when it's not like that at all ...

 

Taking one's ax to grind as if it were solid gold.

 

Taking one's agenda as if it were ultimate truth.

 

.... And the beat goes on :-)

 

on and on ...

 

-- Dan

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta, " Jessica White " <ellam-ondre@c...> wrote:

> Well Dan, I haven't posted to this group in a mighty long time.

just about

> been deleting Nisargadatta emails as quickly as I open them. lost

interest

> in all the word games, but wow! I couldn't resist!

> you really take the cake with this one!

 

Thanks, Jessica -- have a piece!

 

The chocolate filling is great!

 

By the way, if you've been deleting

the posts, how do you know this

one takes the cake?

 

LOL!

[Guest guest]

> LOL!

> Send Dan this postie again.. always wantin to play games wiv

words and mind and not a drop of blissfuls in a teaspoons

 

A me-centered bliss is only self-defense,

self-righteousness and judgment.

[Guest guest]

> LOL!

> Send Dan this postie again.. always wantin to play games wiv

words and mind and not a drop of blissfuls in a teaspoons

 

A me-centered bliss masks judgments of others

and self-righteous defensiveness.

[Guest guest]

>

> > LOL!

> > Send Dan this postie again.. always wantin to play games wiv

>words and mind and not a drop of blissfuls in a teaspoons

>

>A me-centered bliss is only self-defense,

> self-righteousness and judgment.

>

Exactly which me are you referring to Dan?

 

>

 

 

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Nisargadatta, " Leo King " <leo_king111@h...> wrote:

>

>

> >

> > > LOL!

> > > Send Dan this postie again.. always wantin to play games wiv

> >words and mind and not a drop of blissfuls in a teaspoons

> >

> >A me-centered bliss is only self-defense,

> > self-righteousness and judgment.

> >

> Exactly which me are you referring to Dan?

>

 

The me that wants to have a blissful state for itself, Leo.

[Guest guest]

> Isn't it you who are always asking people to defend themselves..

for goodness sakes..

 

No interest in having people defend themselves at all.

 

Open resonance is freedom.

 

 

> which bit of the choclate is cake then?

 

It's all cake.

 

> go and look at all the questions in which you ask people to

engage in..

 

A question posed is open.

 

I don't control how the question is taken or applied.

 

 

> You are asking people to engage in self defense of their opinions

> thats your game

> don't you get it?

 

An opinion is like a balloon.

 

Although it may seem like a terrible thing

for the balloon to burst, it allows

the air inside to have no distance

from the air outside.

 

With no opinion to hold, no inside or outside

to who you are.

 

>

> don't you get it?

> probably not... probably not at all

 

Freedom is not something to get.

 

It is what is.

 

>

> I didn't answer any of them and i shan't stoop now

 

You answer this way.

 

>

> I don't like the vibrational frequency of such pathetic mind games

> tuning out

 

Vibrational patterns are all intertwined

as one pattern.

 

There are no separated minds, not really.

 

It only seems so, if a me-center is taken as reality.

[Guest guest]

>

>Nisargadatta, " Leo King " <leo_king111@h...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > >

> > > > LOL!

> > > > Send Dan this postie again.. always wantin to play games wiv

> > >words and mind and not a drop of blissfuls in a teaspoons

> > >

> > >A me-centered bliss is only self-defense,

> > > self-righteousness and judgment.

> > >

> > Exactly which me are you referring to Dan?

> >

>

>The me that wants to have a blissful state for itself, Leo.

 

As an observer Dan I get the idea, rightly or wrongly that you are purely

operating from the platform of a competitive ego.

 

Namaste

>

 

 

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[Guest guest]

> As an observer Dan I get the idea, rightly or wrongly that you are

purely

> operating from the platform of a competitive ego.

>

> Namaste

 

Words appear on a computer screen.

Assumptions form about the " me " who

is presumed to be making those words.

That " me " is conceptualized as a competitive ego.

 

It is, however, possible that words form

without any egos anywhere making

anything appear.

 

So, those assumptions about " me's "

out there, also form without

an ego being involved.

 

When there is no ego here, there is no

ego anywhere.

 

When no one is in here, there is no one

out there, either.

 

Shalom,

Dan

[Guest guest]

dan330033 wrote:

>

> > **** Thank you sweetie, I appreciate that. And we do have some fun

> don't

> > we? :-)

> >

> > Judi

>

> Sure we do.

>

> There's fun sometimes, also sadness.

>

**** Yes, it can be absolutely terrible, very sad.

 

 

> Sadness at the spiritual self-image

> repeatedly being proclaimed as realization

> and the belief-system version of wholeness

> repeatedly mistaken for truth.

>

**** Yes, like sucking air through a straw and telling yourself it's

water.

 

 

> As if whoever yells the loudest must know the truth --

> when it's not like that at all ...

>

***** Right, certainly not.

 

 

> Taking one's ax to grind as if it were solid gold.

>

> Taking one's agenda as if it were ultimate truth.

>

**** Yes, the ever elusive " ultimate truth " . :-)

 

Judi

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta, " Leo King " <leo_king111@h...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> >

> >Nisargadatta, " Leo King " <leo_king111@h...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > LOL!

> > > > > Send Dan this postie again.. always wantin to play games

wiv

> > > >words and mind and not a drop of blissfuls in a teaspoons

> > > >

> > > >A me-centered bliss is only self-defense,

> > > > self-righteousness and judgment.

> > > >

> > > Exactly which me are you referring to Dan?

> > >

> >

> >The me that wants to have a blissful state for itself, Leo.

>

> As an observer Dan I get the idea, rightly or wrongly that you are

purely

> operating from the platform of a competitive ego.

>

> Namaste

> >

> This is clearly the case, Leo. Dan is only defending her, because

he " hangs out " at other lists where she also terrorizes the scene.

Instead of having the unselfish goodwill to help her, as well as this

list, he is simply afraid of conflict with her, and as a result of

this, he only defends her hypocrisy. Of coarse if you ask him about

this he will say its not true, but it clearly is. This behavior is

rooted in selfishness.

>

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> > >Nisargadatta, " Leo King " <leo_king111@h...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > LOL!

> > > > > > Send Dan this postie again.. always wantin to play games

>wiv

> > > > >words and mind and not a drop of blissfuls in a teaspoons

> > > > >

> > > > >A me-centered bliss is only self-defense,

> > > > > self-righteousness and judgment.

> > > > >

> > > > Exactly which me are you referring to Dan?

> > > >

> > >

> > >The me that wants to have a blissful state for itself, Leo.

> >

> > As an observer Dan I get the idea, rightly or wrongly that you are

>purely

> > operating from the platform of a competitive ego.

> >

> > Namaste

> > >

> > This is clearly the case, Leo. Dan is only defending her, because

>he " hangs out " at other lists where she also terrorizes the scene.

>Instead of having the unselfish goodwill to help her, as well as this

>list, he is simply afraid of conflict with her, and as a result of

>this, he only defends her hypocrisy. Of coarse if you ask him about

>this he will say its not true, but it clearly is. This behavior is

>rooted in selfishness.

 

Hi back. This seems like a great place to be. I haven't read enough of the

archives to really knows whats going on with Judi, but if like attracts like

it might be pretty much the same as where Dan's at.

A know it all, who feels intrinsically superior to everyone around him.

With an advanced ability to give an extrodinary display of words and

concepts that don't make very much sense. Not professing to be an

enlightened master myself perhaps its my own lack that makes it hard to see

either the point or the value of what he is doing, when i do get the gist.

Sometimes it just looks like spirituality and enlightenment is a mind game

to the westerner.. who studies the theory and caught in the intellect... and

what is the job of the intellect..? Right! to judge..

Blazen hypocrisy to boot.

 

But even so, this a good place to BE

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

> > This is clearly the case, Leo. Dan is only defending her, because

> he " hangs out " at other lists where she also terrorizes the scene.

> Instead of having the unselfish goodwill to help her, as well as

this

> list, he is simply afraid of conflict with her, and as a result of

> this, he only defends her hypocrisy. Of coarse if you ask him

about

> this he will say its not true, but it clearly is. This behavior is

> rooted in selfishness.

 

It's unfortunate to see so many

posts about Judi and what is

supposedly wrong with her,

and me, because supposedly

I'm defending her.

 

Truth isn't about making personalities

wrong - or right.

 

Truth is you living it, being it.

 

Consider that there may

be selfishness in focusing

on Judi, to tell her what is

wrong with her, and then on me,

to say what is wrong with me,

after I said I thought she

is sincere.

 

You might consider not focusing

on personalities, and expressing

directly the truth you are.

 

It seems easier to get diverted into

telling people what is wrong with

them, and then it tends to go on

and on...

 

By the way, how does one terrorize a

scene on an e-mail list?

 

-- Dan