Guest guest Posted May 14, 2001 Report Share Posted May 14, 2001 What Am I? TWO: Great news, old chap, the greatest ever.ONE: Excellent. That is to say?TWO: I am reality!ONE: As obvious as your nose, but congratulations on noticing it.TWO: But it is terrific! I had idea life held such a thrill! I want to dance, or jump over the moon. I feel as if a fog had lifted, as though an insupportable burden had been lifted from my shoulders.ONE: The I-concept is like being gagged, and bound with chains, is it not?TWO: Yes, indeed. I had long believed the thing did not exist, but now I have come to know it. What a difference!ONE: 'Believing' it was only the usual pretence; knowing it is still intellectual; when you experience it even gravity will no longer exist.TWO: When I look, when I speak, when I listen, it is reality that looks and speaks and listens!ONE: Who else could there be to look and speak and listen?TWO: No one, but I didn't realize it. And what I see, what I say, what I hear - is reality!ONE: Nonsense; it is nothing of the kind!TWO: What do you mean? What is it then?ONE: What you see, say or hear is only an interpretation of reality in a dualistic medium, and bears no recognizable resemblance to reality except in its suchness which can neither be seen, said nor heard.TWO: And yet the 'I' that sees, speaks, listens, is reality? It seems illogical.ONE: Reality knows nothing of logic; it has never been to school.TWO: Even so ... But of course you must be right; come to think of it, what I see, say and hear could not be really real, could it?ONE: It could not. What you see, say and hear consists of objects in consciousness, interpretations of reality in a context of time, space and duality.TWO: Yes, yes, but why?ONE: Because, of course, reality being outside time, without space, and non-dual - all of which are concepts only - cannot be perceived as it is via those limitations.TWO: Then how can I really perceive?ONE: You cannot - unless as an algebraic symbol, or, perhaps, as relation, as harmony for instance; you are normally seen as an object in consciousness, dualistically in time, and spatially as form.TWO: My reality, my suchness, can only be inferred?ONE: The inference is inescapable, but your suchness is imperceptible.TWO: How, then, do I become perceptible?ONE: By being clothed; you yourself are invisible, only your clothes are seen.TWO: My clothes? What clothes, and where do they come from?ONE: Your clothes are qualities, projected on to you by dualistic thinking.TWO: What kind of qualities?ONE: All kinds - size, weight, shape, colour, character ...TWO: But those are all estimations, functions of their opposites, points on a scale of imaginary values, limited by the range of our sense, devoid of intrinsic reality!ONE: You see that clearly; you have been reading the Diamond Sutra - 'Thus have I heard ...'TWO: And stripped of these arbitrary and unreal dualistic estimations, what am I?ONE: A hole in space.TWO: Like everything else?ONE: Like everything else sensorially perceptible. Like the whole universe as perceived by our senses and their mechanical extensions.TWO: The suchness of no object can ever be perceived?ONE: Obviously not.TWO: But what are objects, when all is said and done?ONE: Objectivisations of reality in the only way reality can be objectivised, that is, by the dualistic approach, comprising consciousness and objects thereof - all of which we are.TWO: And consciousness includes all objects?ONE: Everything that is cognizable. Nothing is outside consciousness, for there is no outside of that.TWO: As subject, I am always real; as object, I am always relative?ONE: Relativity meaning reality envisaged dualistically as Observer and observed.TWO: Suddenly it seems simple!ONE: Complications only arise in false problems.TWO: How is it possible to identify oneself with an object, when one knows oneself as the subject?ONE: It is not possible! You have been identifying yourself with an object instead of recognizing yourself as being also the subject, that is all.TWO: And yet I was eternally saying 'I', like everybody else!ONE: That 'I' was an object, never the real subject when you used it conditionally, that is the reason.TWO: So that is it; when one understands, realizes, knows that one is I-reality ... it becomes obvious!ONE: As obvious as a nose! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2001 Report Share Posted May 15, 2001 > Reality knows nothing of logic; it has never been to school. !uh huh!Uh Huh!UH HUH!YEAH!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2001 Report Share Posted May 15, 2001 Omkara wrote: > > <LOL>. Fire! ffiiireeee! > > Uhhhhh... yeah. Like, fire's pretty cool. uh huh hhuh huh huh > hhhuh... > > Yeah.. FIRE.. fire... fffiiiirreee... > hehehEHEHhehheHEHEhHEHEHEhehe... > Some vandal pulled the fire alarm again. Go ahead and finish brushing your hair dear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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