Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 Hi Mac! You write**Regarding spontaneous enlightenment, i think that both workand "grace" may be needed. Certainly, there is no conceptualpath from the mundane to the trancendent. However, i believethat practice can prepare the mind so that the jump can occur. Tony Parsons says : "Grace doesn't float around in the sky and shoot arrows at the worthy. You live in constant grace. Since there isn't any one moment when you aren't in grace, you're constantly being invited to see you are the source." There is nothing we can do to find the way home, because we are already there. There is nothing to find because this is it. We are like fish swimming around looking for the ocean. We are here. This is it. There is nowhere to go. It seems that Awakening is occurring spontaneously regardless of the path or lack of path that people are on. It seems to make no difference whether they are happy or suicidal at the time. And as each Awakening happens, it lessens the density of the dream for everyone else. Love, Light and Blessings, Janet Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.4 - Release 15/12/2004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 Realization , " Janet Kennedy " <janetkennedy@b...> wrote: > > Hi Mac! You write > > **Regarding spontaneous enlightenment, i think that both work > and " grace " may be needed. Certainly, there is no conceptual > path from the mundane to the trancendent. However, i believe > that practice can prepare the mind so that the jump can occur. > > Tony Parsons says : > > " Grace doesn't float around in the sky and shoot arrows at the worthy. > You live in constant grace. Since there isn't any one moment when you > aren't in grace, you're constantly being invited to see you are the source. " > There is nothing we can do to find the way home, because we are already > there. There is nothing to find because this is it. We are like fish swimming > around looking for the ocean. We are here. This is it. There is nowhere > to go. > > It seems that Awakening is occurring spontaneously regardless of the path or lack of > path that people are on. It seems to make no difference whether they are happy > or suicidal at the time. And as each Awakening happens, it lessens the density > of the dream for everyone else. > > Love, Light and Blessings, > > Janet > > ************* You imagined that you would accomplish this task through your own strength, activity, and effort. This is the wont that I have established: expend everything you have in Our way. Then Our bounty will come to you. On this endless road, We command you to travel with your own feeble hands and feet. We know that you cannot traverse this way with feet so feeble. Indeed, in a hundred thousand years you will not arrive at the first way station. However, when you travel this road until your legs are exhausted and you fall down flat, until you have no more strength to move forward, then God's grace will take you in its arms. ** Rumi Yeah. Don't pretend you don't want it. You do, so go for it. And don't pretend you've arrived. You haven't, it's obvious. So, go for it. Jump on it and wrestle it to the ground. And if it winds up on top of you, beating you mercilessly about the head and shoulders ... .... have a good laugh at your own expense! -- Dan Happy Days, Judi http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/judi-1.htm TheEndOfTheRopeRanch/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 > > > Realization , " Janet Kennedy " > <janetkennedy@b...> wrote: >> >> Hi Mac! You write >> >> **Regarding spontaneous enlightenment, i think that both work >> and " grace " may be needed. Certainly, there is no conceptual >> path from the mundane to the trancendent. However, i believe >> that practice can prepare the mind so that the jump can occur. >> >> Tony Parsons says : >> >> " Grace doesn't float around in the sky and shoot arrows at the > worthy. >> You live in constant grace. Since there isn't any one moment > when you >> aren't in grace, you're constantly being invited to see you are > the source. " >> There is nothing we can do to find the way home, because we are > already >> there. There is nothing to find because this is it. We are > like fish swimming >> around looking for the ocean. We are here. This is it. There > is nowhere >> to go. >> >> It seems that Awakening is occurring spontaneously regardless > of the path or lack of >> path that people are on. It seems to make no difference > whether they are happy >> or suicidal at the time. And as each Awakening happens, it > lessens the density >> of the dream for everyone else. >> >> Love, Light and Blessings, >> >> Janet >> ************** And your error my friends, is in take Tony's or anyone's " description " for a " prescription " . Judi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Realization , " Janet Kennedy " > > <janetkennedy@b...> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Mac! You write > >> > >> **Regarding spontaneous enlightenment, i think that both work > >> and " grace " may be needed. Certainly, there is no conceptual > >> path from the mundane to the trancendent. However, i believe > >> that practice can prepare the mind so that the jump can occur. > >> > >> Tony Parsons says : > >> > >> " Grace doesn't float around in the sky and shoot arrows at the > > worthy. > >> You live in constant grace. Since there isn't any one moment > > when you > >> aren't in grace, you're constantly being invited to see you are > > the source. " > >> There is nothing we can do to find the way home, because we are > > already > >> there. There is nothing to find because this is it. We are > > like fish swimming > >> around looking for the ocean. We are here. This is it. There > > is nowhere > >> to go. > >> > >> It seems that Awakening is occurring spontaneously regardless > > of the path or lack of > >> path that people are on. It seems to make no difference > > whether they are happy > >> or suicidal at the time. And as each Awakening happens, it > > lessens the density > >> of the dream for everyone else. > >> > >> Love, Light and Blessings, > >> > >> Janet > >> > ************** > And your error my friends, is in take Tony's or anyone's " description " for > a " prescription " . > > Judi ************ All that does is make for a bunch of obnoxious folks running around, thinking they've already arrived. Judi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 > And your error my friends, is in take > Tony's or anyone's " description " for > a " prescription " . > > Judi Seems like 90% of the " spiritual " books that get written are descriptions. I've never been able to figure out why anyone wastes time on them. If I want to visit London, what will do me more good -- a description of London written by somebody who has already been there, or an airplane ticket? Since these books do get written I can't help wondering if the authors are making the same mistake as the readers. Oh wait, I forgot, enlightened people are perfect and can't make mistakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 Realization , " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> wrote: > > > And your error my friends, is in take > > Tony's or anyone's " description " for > > a " prescription " . > > > > Judi > > Seems like 90% of the " spiritual " books that > get written are descriptions. I've never > been able to figure out why anyone wastes time > on them. ********** Gee, I don't know, you have a website devoted to them, what's up with that? If I want to visit London, what will > do me more good -- a description of London > written by somebody who has already been there, > or an airplane ticket? ******** Read above. > > Since these books do get written I can't help > wondering if the authors are making the same > mistake as the readers. ******** The reson there are phoney teachers is so the phoney seekers have a place to go! > > Oh wait, I forgot, enlightened people are > perfect and can't make mistakes. ****** Read above. Judi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 > > Rob: Seems like 90% of the " spiritual " books > > that get written are descriptions. I've never > > been able to figure out why anyone wastes time > > on them. > > Judi: Gee, I don't know, you have a website > devoted to them, what's up with that? Okay, I lied. Of course I know why people like that stuff. The problem is when it gets used like pornography. People use it to intensify their fantasies. You can't get pregnant from masturbating and I doubt that anyone can get enlightened from imagining how things look to Tony Parsons. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. > The reson there are phoney teachers is so the phoney > seekers have a place to go! Hehe. Realization , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@c...> wrote: > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 > > >> > Rob: Seems like 90% of the " spiritual " books >> > that get written are descriptions. I've never >> > been able to figure out why anyone wastes time >> > on them. >> >> Judi: Gee, I don't know, you have a website >> devoted to them, what's up with that? > > Okay, I lied. Of course I know why people like that stuff. The > problem is when it gets used like pornography. People use it to > intensify their fantasies. You can't get pregnant from masturbating > and I doubt that anyone can get enlightened from imagining how > things look to Tony Parsons. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. > ******** Does " greed " have any relevance here? So the actual problem then is not that you don't have a fur coat, but rather the wanting of the fur coat in the first place. That's what needs be looked into. A brutal investitgative look into your own greed and see exactly what it is. Iow, your greed is your problem, not what somebody else says they have. >> The reson there are phoney teachers is so the phoney >> seekers have a place to go! > > Hehe. > ******* Exactly! Judi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 It's bad enough that my internal radio station broadcasts the same old golden oldies 24/7 including " I Want I Want I Want " and " I'm A Failure Because I Don't Have " but now you're asking me to pay attention to that drivel? Eeeeeek! Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...> wrote: > So the actual problem then is not that you don't have a fur coat, but rather > the wanting of the fur coat in the first place. That's what needs be looked > into. > A brutal investitgative look into your own greed and see exactly what it is. > Iow, your greed is your problem, not what somebody else says they have. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 > > > It's bad enough that my internal radio station > broadcasts the same old golden oldies 24/7 > including " I Want I Want I Want " and " I'm A > Failure Because I Don't Have " but now you're > asking me to pay attention to that drivel? > > Eeeeeek! > *********** Yep, forget about what everyone else says they have. They ain't got shit, I'll tell you that straight out. And even if they did, so the fuck what? Better to fall back, sit on the sidelines, and have a look into your self and that whole game. Man, don't spend your life as a sucker! God didn't put you here to suck someone's else's dick. Sorry for the crudity, but it expresses the point. Judi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > It's bad enough that my internal radio station > > broadcasts the same old golden oldies 24/7 > > including " I Want I Want I Want " and " I'm A > > Failure Because I Don't Have " but now you're > > asking me to pay attention to that drivel? > > > > Eeeeeek! > > > > *********** > Yep, forget about what everyone else says they have. > > They ain't got shit, I'll tell you that straight out. And even if they did, > so the fuck what? > > Better to fall back, sit on the sidelines, and have a look into your self > and that whole game. > > Man, don't spend your life as a sucker! > > God didn't put you here to suck someone's else's dick. Sorry for the > crudity, but it expresses the point. > > Judi ************ If you get in the gutter here, you might start seeing things clearer. Judi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 Realization , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@c...> wrote: > > Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's bad enough that my internal radio station > > > broadcasts the same old golden oldies 24/7 > > > including " I Want I Want I Want " and " I'm A > > > Failure Because I Don't Have " but now you're > > > asking me to pay attention to that drivel? > > > > > > Eeeeeek! > > > > > > > *********** > > Yep, forget about what everyone else says they have. > > > > They ain't got shit, I'll tell you that straight out. And even if > they did, > > so the fuck what? > > > > Better to fall back, sit on the sidelines, and have a look into > your self > > and that whole game. > > > > Man, don't spend your life as a sucker! > > > > God didn't put you here to suck someone's else's dick. Sorry for > the > > crudity, but it expresses the point. > > > > Judi > > ************ > If you get in the gutter here, you might start seeing things clearer. > > Judi *********** Or, you can hang out in the Park Avenue " bless you " crowd, if that's not the epitome of " ugliness " , I don't know what the hell is? Judi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 My goodness, Judi, it does sound like you have some issues... to use contemporary psycho-babble phraseology... Well, first of all, there is no god. Second, to each their own... if that is how you want to say things, well, don't apologize. Perhaps your faith uses that kind of language and resides in your gutter. Rob fell for it. But what you say about fur, are you a member of PETA? Lovingly [you do receive that, don't you?] Dipamkara Namaste Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 Hi Rob: You may hold me responsible for waking up your group and taking away valuable Inquiry time. See, all those who reacted and left the group were a blessing because they probably never contributed anything except condemning vibes. That seems to be the difference between the Buddhist path and many other spiritual directions. I will definitely respond to most of the other offerings here, but my wife gets most of the weekend. Everyone have most terrric two or three days. Metta, KK aka Alton Realization , " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> wrote: > > > > Rob: Seems like 90% of the " spiritual " books > > > that get written are descriptions. I've never > > > been able to figure out why anyone wastes time > > > on them. > > > > Judi: Gee, I don't know, you have a website > > devoted to them, what's up with that? > > Okay, I lied. Of course I know why people like that stuff. The > problem is when it gets used like pornography. People use it to > intensify their fantasies. You can't get pregnant from masturbating > and I doubt that anyone can get enlightened from imagining how > things look to Tony Parsons. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. > > > The reson there are phoney teachers is so the phoney > > seekers have a place to go! > > Hehe. > > Realization , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@c...> > wrote: > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 Realization , Derek Taulman <satbhaktanha> wrote: > My goodness, Judi, it does sound like you have some issues... to use contemporary psycho-babble phraseology... > > Well, first of all, there is no god. ******** You don't know that. Do you eat with that mouth too? > > Second, to each their own... if that is how you want to say things, well, don't apologize. Perhaps your faith uses that kind of language and resides in your gutter. > > Rob fell for it. > > But what you say about fur, are you a member of PETA? ******* I don't what that is, but using the " fur " was just a pointer to " desire " . What are you, an old lady? > > Lovingly [you do receive that, don't you?] ***** Love is as love does and you haven't shown it yet. Judi > > Dipamkara > Namaste Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 AH, I think I understand now, Judi... Would you recognize LOVE if some one offered it to you unconditionally? You are so angry! What happened to make you so bitter? Dipamkara Namaste Do you know what PETA stands for? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 Well, so long Judi, I guess your mommy and daddy found out you were on the computer and told you to do your homework. I don't think anyone will miss you. Someday maybe you will be more interested in other views of life than your own. Namaste [you don't know what that means either, do you?] Good luck when you get to high school. Dipamkara Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 - Derek Taulman Realization Friday, December 17, 2004 5:27 PM Re: Re: Amazing grace Well, so long Judi, I guess your mommy and daddy found out you were on the computer and told you to do your homework. I don't think anyone will miss you. Someday maybe you will be more interested in other views of life than your own. Namaste [you don't know what that means either, do you?] ********** Yeah, it means you're an egotistical son of a bitch! Any kindergartner can tell you that! Judi Good luck when you get to high school. Dipamkara..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 - Derek Taulman Realization Friday, December 17, 2004 5:27 PM Re: Re: Amazing grace Well, so long Judi, I guess your mommy and daddy found out you were on the computer and told you to do your homework. I don't think anyone will miss you. Someday maybe you will be more interested in other views of life than your own. Namaste [you don't know what that means either, do you?] ********** Yeah, it means you're an egotistical son of a bitch! Any kindergartner can tell you that! Judi ************ Oh, and where are my manners - bye bye!! Judi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 Namaste [you don't know what that means either, do you?] ********** Yeah, it means you're an egotistical son of a bitch! Any kindergartner can tell you that! Judi ************ Mommy, he's a sick fuck isn't he? Yes, honey, he's one of those sick fucks. :-) Judi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@c...> wrote: > > > > Namaste [you don't know what that means either, do you?] > > ********** Yeah, it means you're an egotistical son of a bitch! > > Any kindergartner can tell you that! > > Judi > > ************ > Mommy, he's a sick fuck isn't he? > > Yes, honey, he's one of those sick fucks. :-) > > Judi ********************* I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self-contain'd, I stand and look at them long and long. They do not sweat and whine about their condition, They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins, They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God, Not one is dissatisfied, not one is demented with the mania of owning things, Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands of years ago, Not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth. *** Walt Whitman * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 Namaste, Judi, Thank you, that was very nice. Will you read this? I Dream'd in a Dream I dream'd in a dream I saw a city invincible to the attacks of the whole of the rest of the earth, I dream'd that was the new city of Friends, Nothing was greater there than the quality of robust love, it led the rest, It was seen every hour in the actions of the men of that city, And in all their looks and words. Walt Whitman - 1860 Dipamkara Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2004 - Derek Taulman Realization Friday, December 17, 2004 6:44 PM Re: Re: Amazing grace Namaste, Judi, Thank you, that was very nice. Will you read this? I Dream'd in a Dream I dream'd in a dream I saw a city invincible to the attacks of the whole of the rest of the earth, I dream'd that was the new city of Friends, Nothing was greater there than the quality of robust love, it led the rest, It was seen every hour in the actions of the men of that city, And in all their looks and words. Walt Whitman - 1860 ****** Heh heh! Robust love! Thank you Derek, very much, I take it as a compliment. A Friend, Judi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2004 Hi Derek, > Rob fell for it. Rob focused on the two main points that Judi was making instead of getting distracted because she used naughty words, and Rob thought those points were valuable and important. Here's the first main point: > A brutal investitgative look into your > own greed and see exactly what it is. > Iow, your greed is your problem, not what > somebody else says they have. This is pretty much Buddha's Four Noble Truths compressed into two sentences, isn't it? I think the reason the language is unfamiliar is that Judi is expressing something she has rediscovered for herself. If so, this makes her advice particularly valuable. Judi departs from Buddhism a bit in her emphasis on (1) investigation as the preferred method of practice and (2) the idea that we refuse to look at the reality of ourselves because it's ugly. This idea seems to tickle her and usually gets a rise out of the audience, which is very entertaining. Here's the second: > And your error my friends, is in take Tony's or > anyone's " description " for a " prescription " . I've been interested in this stuff for decades, and I can't recall having heard anybody make this observation before, although the idea has often to me in a vague form in connection with Ramana Maharshi's practice instructions which are frequently misunderstood. When I read these words they struck me immediately as true and important. Many people here would benefit, I think, if they take time to ponder these words and apply them to their own favorite brand of spiritual verbiage. Regards, Rob Realization , Derek Taulman <satbhaktanha> wrote: > My goodness, Judi, it does sound like you have some issues... to use contemporary psycho-babble phraseology... > > Well, first of all, there is no god. > > Second, to each their own... if that is how you want to say things, well, don't apologize. Perhaps your faith uses that kind of language and resides in your gutter. > > Rob fell for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 18, 2004 > Or, you can hang out in the Park Avenue > " bless you " crowd, if that's not the > epitome of " ugliness " , I don't know > what the hell is? I can't get too excited about people who wrap themselves in religious mumbo jumbo. Boring, yes. Insipid, yes. Silly, yes. But ugly? I don't see it. Child molesting is ugly. Torture is ugly. But using phrases from old languages as signature lines in letters -- who cares? By the way, how's your son doing? Is he still in Iraq? Realization , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@c...> wrote: > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
