Guidance Needed for Retirement and Sanyaas

[Guest guest]

Respected Vyasji and others,

 

I am 53 and may seek premature retirement from my central govt

service. Married and family responsibilities are more or less over.

 

I want to spend my post-retirement life in the company of Gita

scholars/students/lovers. I have been influenced deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj.

 

Can you kindly guide me where to go?

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

 

 

--------------------------------

GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES:

1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts

related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further

clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted.

2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to

substantiate your response.

3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the

extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas

4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting

sadhaka's time.

5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only.

6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other

organizations.

7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone

number, address etc.

8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual

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[Guest guest]

Respected Vyasji and others,

 

I am 53 and may seek premature retirement from my central govt

service. Married and family responsibilities are more or less over.

 

I want to spend my post-retirement life in the company of Gita

scholars/students/lovers. I have been influenced deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj.

 

Can you kindly guide me where to go?

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

-------------------------------

NEW POSTING

 

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Shri Sureshji, This is the same question that I had asked Swamiji

fourteen years back, while considering retirement - (should I go to

Rushikul, or Churu, or Rishikesh, or Gorakhpur), then his reply is

something that is useful to you - " Brother, wherever you are, remain

there as is, always " longing and desiring " , then your work will be

done. Because that Paramatma which you think about attaining in

Gorakhpur, or Rishikesh etc. that very same Paramatma wholly and

entirely is at this very moment close to you, now and at all

times. What more, you yourself are wise and patient, but when it

comes to relationhip with Paramatma, the impatience (that intense

longing) works ! Very well!

 

Vineet Sarvottam

 

------------------------------

Hari Om

 

Dear Shri Sharmaji

 

At the outset welcome! Great things in life don't wait for any

retirement. No outside activity can accelerate your turning towards

the ultimate. If your family has slightest of the need for your

continuing doing the Govt Job - Please unhesitantly continue doing

that. Swamiji always advocated " 24 x 7 " work. Consider after having

fulfilled your responsibilities at this age of 53 ( I am also 53 and

have done all that is necessary for my family responsibilities,

married both daughters, a son and another son is ready for marriage,

all well settled- only difference is I am employed in private

sector) as to whether whatever you earn honourably and justfully out

of your employment- you should use them for welfare and benefit of

1. Those for whom you still have mineness/attachment (including your

body)- with a special sentiment always awakened in you inside that "

they are not you/yours/for you " 2 Those for whom you have no

mineness/attachment.

 

That is one way you can plan. Check up with your better half if she

wants you to continue working. If she says even " may be " or " as you

think fit " - work! Work so that you may never seek economic

dependence upon anyone for rest of your life. Work so that you may

be of help to category 2 people ( stated in preceding paragraph)!

Work in government without accepting anything extra. Live there like

a lotus in water. You can. You should. Work so that you may see God

whereever you get engaged in.

 

Ensure that today you don't need anybody for anything pertaining to

your balance stay in this world. If you feel some are dependent upon

you( say wife)- serve them with double intensity and speed.

 

But keep a thought burning inside you - " I am of God, Only God is

mine, nothing else is mine " . Don't expect anything from anybody-

even from God. Keep utilising whatever you have for benefit and

welfare of whoever comes in touch with you - if you can and if you

should.

 

All extra time in your life should be utilised in reading Swamiji's

books, Gita, Ramayana, listening to Swamiji's pravachans, singing

bhajans, doing keertans and remaining in good company always.

 

This is one way. Another totally different way - next time.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

------------------------------

Great idea!!!!!

I have been doing the same because I have also been influenced very

deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. We might be able to do share some

thoughts on some projects

 

Satya Kalra

 

 

--------------------------------

GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES:

1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts

related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further

clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted.

2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to

substantiate your response.

3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the

extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas

4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting

sadhaka's time.

5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only.

6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other

organizations.

7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone

number, address etc.

8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual

since the message is going to the entire group.

9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted.

10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content

is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group.

11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth,

westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit

words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed

wherever possible.

 

MODERATOR

Ram Ram

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[Guest guest]

Respected Vyasji and others,

 

I am 53 and may seek premature retirement from my central govt

service. Married and family responsibilities are more or less over.

 

I want to spend my post-retirement life in the company of Gita

scholars/students/lovers. I have been influenced deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj.

 

Can you kindly guide me where to go?

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

-------------------------------

NEW POSTING

 

Jai Hanuman

 

No Bhaiyya Sharmaji. This " more or less over " with reference

to " duties " of marital life is not acceptable. Nor did I like your

last words - " where to go " !!

 

But your gesture/sentiment/approach is laudable- no questions about

the same!

 

WHERE TO GO ? - No where Dear. Remain where ever you are. Start now

a new life with no outer change. Concentrate on removing " Raag " (

Likings) and " Dvesha " (Dislikings) from your mind / intellect/

thoughts /psyche /person ! They are roots of your worldly stays of

past, present and future!

Read Scriptures/ Swamiji in spare time. Think about the soul, your

role in this Divine Lila !

 

By the way who are you to decide whether you should work or not? Did

you check up with Bhabhiji ( Mrs Sharma) ? Do as she says. No

arguments on this.

 

Have you planned adequately for your old age ? Who will instil God

in grand children? Who will guide them to righteousness? Who will

create cultural base for them and for the family ? Who will set

examples of selfless conduct? Who will make them better humans? Only

grand parents can do that- not the parents!

 

No Running away Bhaiyya! Stay put !! There are lot of things to do !

We will discuss if you actively participate !

 

Ever thought what should be your goal for balance life? It should

be " O God- I should not be coming back again in this world in any

type of body- unless you sponsor me as your representative for your

work. I should be free forever from this circle of birth and death " .

Think on these lines. Get rid of all worldly

attachments/connections/mineness by continuously and selflessly

serving all people around you with all the things you have - without

expecting anything from them in return In dreams even do not

visualise a situation where you get dependent over any worldly

body/thing. You get retired without actually retiring merely by

relinquishing dependence over the same ! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !!

 

Get free! Feel free ! Dream Free ! Seek freedom ! Remaining where

ever you are ! There is no need to go anywhere ! Make your home

itself a temple. Love all . See God in all. Don't establish

any " new " connection/relationship/attachment with any body/thing-

for getting anything worldly out of them. Concentrate on self and on

conscience.

 

KABIRA KHADA BAJAAR MAIN SABKI MAANGE KHAIR !

 

NA KAHOO SE DOSTI NA KAHOO SE VAIR !!

 

Says Saint Kabir - I am standing in this market (worldly life)

wishing good for all and sundry. I have neither any friends (

likings- Raag) nor any enemies (dislikings- Dvesha) !

 

That is real sanyaas ! My Dear Brother ! That is real retirement !

Not leaving or not leaving the Government Service !!

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

 

 

-------------------------------

My dandavat pranams to all in this fourm......responsibilities have

kept me so busy that I have neglected this beautiful forum, sadly.

In regard to this sacred question....what to do when one is

encountering the need to absorb oneself in spiritual practices for

oneself and others. I know that this is not exactly how the

question was worded, but truly, it is what I heard....because you

have come to the point of saying, " Where do I go from here " .....

indeed, age is not truly the criterion for one being ready to absorb

oneself in full devotion.....it is a point where one finally

accepts, " I have no business in this world save and except to live

for bhajan, for glorifying the lord, for providing knowledge of Gita

to others. "

 

I have accepted Los Angeles as my place to execute this

activity.....it is where the Lord has put me. Pray for guidance,

and it will come....Los Angeles has many, many groups of sadhaks, as

well as a very high level of vegetarian communities, vegan, raw,

east Indian, etc......and there are so so many people to give some

time and energy to as far as speaking on Bhagavat dharma. But than,

almost any city in the world these days, is needing Hari Katha to

purify the atmosphere.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

--------------------------------

 

Stay where you are. Seek a genuine Guru/Guru within. He will lead

you towards the right path. Meditate and seek the company of

spiritual people.

Hari Shanker Deo

--------------------------------

 

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Shri Sureshji, This is the same question that I had asked Swamiji

fourteen years back, while considering retirement - (should I go to

Rushikul, or Churu, or Rishikesh, or Gorakhpur), then his reply is

something that is useful to you - " Brother, wherever you are, remain

there as is, always " longing and desiring " , then your work will be

done. Because that Paramatma which you think about attaining in

Gorakhpur, or Rishikesh etc. that very same Paramatma wholly and

entirely is at this very moment close to you, now and at all

times. What more, you yourself are wise and patient, but when it

comes to relationship with Paramatma, the impatience (that intense

longing) works ! Very well!

 

Vineet Sarvottam

 

------------------------------

Hari Om

 

Dear Shri Sharmaji

 

At the outset welcome! Great things in life don't wait for any

retirement. No outside activity can accelerate your turning towards

the ultimate. If your family has slightest of the need for your

continuing doing the Govt Job - Please unhesitantly continue doing

that. Swamiji always advocated " 24 x 7 " work. Consider after having

fulfilled your responsibilities at this age of 53 ( I am also 53 and

have done all that is necessary for my family responsibilities,

married both daughters, a son and another son is ready for marriage,

all well settled- only difference is I am employed in private

sector) as to whether whatever you earn honourably and justfully out

of your employment- you should use them for welfare and benefit of

1. Those for whom you still have mineness/attachment (including your

body)- with a special sentiment always awakened in you inside that "

they are not you/yours/for you " 2 Those for whom you have no

mineness/attachment.

 

That is one way you can plan. Check up with your better half if she

wants you to continue working. If she says even " may be " or " as you

think fit " - work! Work so that you may never seek economic

dependence upon anyone for rest of your life. Work so that you may

be of help to category 2 people ( stated in preceding paragraph)!

Work in government without accepting anything extra. Live there like

a lotus in water. You can. You should. Work so that you may see God

whereever you get engaged in.

 

Ensure that today you don't need anybody for anything pertaining to

your balance stay in this world. If you feel some are dependent upon

you( say wife)- serve them with double intensity and speed.

 

But keep a thought burning inside you - " I am of God, Only God is

mine, nothing else is mine " . Don't expect anything from anybody-

even from God. Keep utilising whatever you have for benefit and

welfare of whoever comes in touch with you - if you can and if you

should.

 

All extra time in your life should be utilised in reading Swamiji's

books, Gita, Ramayana, listening to Swamiji's pravachans, singing

bhajans, doing keertans and remaining in good company always.

 

This is one way. Another totally different way - next time.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

------------------------------

Great idea!!!!!

I have been doing the same because I have also been influenced very

deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. We might be able to do share some

thoughts on some projects

 

Satya Kalra

 

 

--------------------------------

GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES:

1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts

related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further

clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted.

2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to

substantiate your response.

3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the

extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas

4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting

sadhaka's time.

5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only.

6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other

organizations.

7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone

number, address etc.

8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual

since the message is going to the entire group.

9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted.

10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content

is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group.

11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth,

westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit

words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed

wherever possible.

 

MODERATOR

Ram Ram

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[Guest guest]

Respected Vyasji and others,

 

I am 53 and may seek premature retirement from my central govt

service. Married and family responsibilities are more or less over.

 

I want to spend my post-retirement life in the company of Gita

scholars/students/lovers. I have been influenced deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj.

 

Can you kindly guide me where to go?

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

-------------------------------

NEW POSTING

 

Dear Sadhak,

Swamiji Ramsukhdasji, never encouraged such things as like taking

early retirement , he never asked anyone to leave the job and take

sanyaas (as far as I understand his teachings.)

yr desire could be called a Satvik desire, but no matter what desire

leads to sufferings. So Swamiji says-donot even desire for

liberation/mukti.

Only desire for God is Worth desiring.Have only one desire-

Krishna/God and He will show you the path to reach Him.

 

Yogusth kuru karmani(Do yr karma while established in Yoga)

Working or retired doesnot obstruct yr path for self

enlightenment.Start yr spiritual journey RIGHT NOW, at this very

moment, wherever you are.Donot make it a future goal.

 

Nasto Vidhyate Bhao, Nabhao vidhyate satah (Gita 2:16)

The unreal has no existence and the real has no cessation...

So nomatter where you are the Real is with you every moment and the

unreal is leaving you every moment.

 

Detachment from the unreal is sanyaas, and knowing the difference

between what is real and what is unreal is Knowledge (Gita Ch 13 &

14)

 

Accepting everything as God's is Bhakti (Vasudev Sarvam)

 

Now tell me to follow any of these paths-karma yoga, gyaan yoga or

bhakti yoga, where do you need to go ?

Nowhere/anywhere/everywhere ?

 

Kasturi Kundal basi mrig dhundhe van mahi---(the aroma is coming out

from deer's own naval but he is running in the forest to find the

source/ Krishna/God is sitting right in our heart, but we are trying

to find Him outside)

 

with lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

-------------------------------

 

Dear Suresh Sharma ji,

 

WHERE TO GO ? WHERE CAN YOU GO ? NO WHERE . EVERY THING IS HERE . I

was an air force officer for 22 years. I retired 27 years back . I

am here running a 50 bed charitable hospital and various programs.

READ GITA , FOLLOW IT AND DO NOT BOTHER ABOUT THIS LIFE AND DEATH '

CHAKKAR'. It will be what ever it may be or whatever it has to be .

 

SERVE THE WORLD TO THE HILT - CEASELESSLY ,UNENDLESSLY AND FOR EVER.

LOVE

 

PREM KHULLAR

--------------------------------

 

Dear Sharmaji,

After retirement,I would suggest that you visit several pilgrim

centres and sacred temples,like a Parivrajika, with a few items with

you.Asmall suitcase and a bag.By such visits, your mind will be

purified and also you will learn more about our poeple ,their forms

of devotion and thier simple,humble ways.The railway tickets are

quite low and you need not sppend much.After say two or three years

of religious wandering or pilgrimages, you can select a place or

ashram or suitable palce to stay...This I learnt after my own

wanderings after the age of sixty.You are much younger and should be

easy for you.You will learn more about Bharat,our motherland after

that.

Regards,

In Shirdi Sai Smaran,

N K Srinivasan

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Jai Hanuman

 

No Bhaiyya Sharmaji. This " more or less over " with reference

to " duties " of marital life is not acceptable. Nor did I like your

last words - " where to go " !!

 

But your gesture/sentiment/approach is laudable- no questions about

the same!

 

WHERE TO GO ? - No where Dear. Remain where ever you are. Start now

a new life with no outer change. Concentrate on removing " Raag " (

Likings) and " Dvesha " (Dislikings) from your mind / intellect/

thoughts /psyche /person ! They are roots of your worldly stays of

past, present and future!

Read Scriptures/ Swamiji in spare time. Think about the soul, your

role in this Divine Lila !

 

By the way who are you to decide whether you should work or not? Did

you check up with Bhabhiji ( Mrs Sharma) ? Do as she says. No

arguments on this.

 

Have you planned adequately for your old age ? Who will instil God

in grand children? Who will guide them to righteousness? Who will

create cultural base for them and for the family ? Who will set

examples of selfless conduct? Who will make them better humans? Only

grand parents can do that- not the parents!

 

No Running away Bhaiyya! Stay put !! There are lot of things to do !

We will discuss if you actively participate !

 

Ever thought what should be your goal for balance life? It should

be " O God- I should not be coming back again in this world in any

type of body- unless you sponsor me as your representative for your

work. I should be free forever from this circle of birth and death " .

Think on these lines. Get rid of all worldly

attachments/connections/mineness by continuously and selflessly

serving all people around you with all the things you have - without

expecting anything from them in return In dreams even do not

visualise a situation where you get dependent over any worldly

body/thing. You get retired without actually retiring merely by

relinquishing dependence over the same ! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !!

 

Get free! Feel free ! Dream Free ! Seek freedom ! Remaining where

ever you are ! There is no need to go anywhere ! Make your home

itself a temple. Love all . See God in all. Don't establish

any " new " connection/relationship/attachment with any body/thing-

for getting anything worldly out of them. Concentrate on self and on

conscience.

 

KABIRA KHADA BAJAAR MAIN SABKI MAANGE KHAIR !

 

NA KAHOO SE DOSTI NA KAHOO SE VAIR !!

 

Says Saint Kabir - I am standing in this market (worldly life)

wishing good for all and sundry. I have neither any friends (

likings- Raag) nor any enemies (dislikings- Dvesha) !

 

That is real sanyaas ! My Dear Brother ! That is real retirement !

Not leaving or not leaving the Government Service !!

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

 

 

-------------------------------

My dandavat pranams to all in this fourm......responsibilities have

kept me so busy that I have neglected this beautiful forum, sadly.

In regard to this sacred question....what to do when one is

encountering the need to absorb oneself in spiritual practices for

oneself and others. I know that this is not exactly how the

question was worded, but truly, it is what I heard....because you

have come to the point of saying, " Where do I go from here " .....

indeed, age is not truly the criterion for one being ready to absorb

oneself in full devotion.....it is a point where one finally

accepts, " I have no business in this world save and except to live

for bhajan, for glorifying the lord, for providing knowledge of Gita

to others. "

 

I have accepted Los Angeles as my place to execute this

activity.....it is where the Lord has put me. Pray for guidance,

and it will come....Los Angeles has many, many groups of sadhaks, as

well as a very high level of vegetarian communities, vegan, raw,

east Indian, etc......and there are so so many people to give some

time and energy to as far as speaking on Bhagavat dharma. But than,

almost any city in the world these days, is needing Hari Katha to

purify the atmosphere.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

--------------------------------

 

Stay where you are. Seek a genuine Guru/Guru within. He will lead

you towards the right path. Meditate and seek the company of

spiritual people.

Hari Shanker Deo

--------------------------------

 

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Shri Sureshji, This is the same question that I had asked Swamiji

fourteen years back, while considering retirement - (should I go to

Rushikul, or Churu, or Rishikesh, or Gorakhpur), then his reply is

something that is useful to you - " Brother, wherever you are, remain

there as is, always " longing and desiring " , then your work will be

done. Because that Paramatma which you think about attaining in

Gorakhpur, or Rishikesh etc. that very same Paramatma wholly and

entirely is at this very moment close to you, now and at all

times. What more, you yourself are wise and patient, but when it

comes to relationship with Paramatma, the impatience (that intense

longing) works ! Very well!

 

Vineet Sarvottam

 

------------------------------

Hari Om

 

Dear Shri Sharmaji

 

At the outset welcome! Great things in life don't wait for any

retirement. No outside activity can accelerate your turning towards

the ultimate. If your family has slightest of the need for your

continuing doing the Govt Job - Please unhesitantly continue doing

that. Swamiji always advocated " 24 x 7 " work. Consider after having

fulfilled your responsibilities at this age of 53 ( I am also 53 and

have done all that is necessary for my family responsibilities,

married both daughters, a son and another son is ready for marriage,

all well settled- only difference is I am employed in private

sector) as to whether whatever you earn honourably and justfully out

of your employment- you should use them for welfare and benefit of

1. Those for whom you still have mineness/attachment (including your

body)- with a special sentiment always awakened in you inside that "

they are not you/yours/for you " 2 Those for whom you have no

mineness/attachment.

 

That is one way you can plan. Check up with your better half if she

wants you to continue working. If she says even " may be " or " as you

think fit " - work! Work so that you may never seek economic

dependence upon anyone for rest of your life. Work so that you may

be of help to category 2 people ( stated in preceding paragraph)!

Work in government without accepting anything extra. Live there like

a lotus in water. You can. You should. Work so that you may see God

whereever you get engaged in.

 

Ensure that today you don't need anybody for anything pertaining to

your balance stay in this world. If you feel some are dependent upon

you( say wife)- serve them with double intensity and speed.

 

But keep a thought burning inside you - " I am of God, Only God is

mine, nothing else is mine " . Don't expect anything from anybody-

even from God. Keep utilising whatever you have for benefit and

welfare of whoever comes in touch with you - if you can and if you

should.

 

All extra time in your life should be utilised in reading Swamiji's

books, Gita, Ramayana, listening to Swamiji's pravachans, singing

bhajans, doing keertans and remaining in good company always.

 

This is one way. Another totally different way - next time.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

------------------------------

Great idea!!!!!

I have been doing the same because I have also been influenced very

deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. We might be able to do share some

thoughts on some projects

 

Satya Kalra

 

 

--------------------------------

GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES:

1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts

related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further

clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted.

2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to

substantiate your response.

3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the

extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas

4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting

sadhaka's time.

5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only.

6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other

organizations.

7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone

number, address etc.

8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual

since the message is going to the entire group.

9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted.

10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content

is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group.

11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth,

westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit

words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed

wherever possible.

 

MODERATOR

Ram Ram

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[Guest guest]

Respected Vyasji and others,

 

I am 53 and may seek premature retirement from my central govt

service. Married and family responsibilities are more or less over.

 

I want to spend my post-retirement life in the company of Gita

scholars/students/lovers. I have been influenced deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj.

 

Can you kindly guide me where to go?

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

-------------------------------

NEW POSTING

 

Respected All,

 

I am greatful for the guidance.

 

Dear Sadhna Kargar ji, very sensible indeed. My problem is that I am

a total failure or misfit in the society. I do not attend the

marriage parties where lot of noisy filmy songs and DJ dances etc.

make me sick even if I keep safe distance. I do not attend birthday

parties because the children celebrating the birthdays are more

interested in the gifts they get " we the gift-givers turn

them into greedy beings. I do not approve of my only son's obsession

with learning modern filmy dance and his addition to cell phone and

TV (he does not like even my watching the news channel) " I am a

total failure as a father for no fault of mine. I cannot take my

wife for outings because she is fond of eating " golgappe " etc and

above all she is a great supporter of her son's activities basically

completely spoiling him from spiritual point of view and making him

into a socially clever fellow. My daughter is in the job and

interested in getting materialistically rich just like any other

young lady. My nephews and niece do not approve of my Gita's way of

life, they say they are too young for these boring things. No one in

my family circle is interested in Swamiji's literature, but in Shani

Mandir and tantrik puja etc. I have realized to the core of my

heart that I cannot change or influence anyone in my family for their

real betterment. Wife and son are feeling happy at my idea of

premature retirement as they will get a few more lakhs of rupees.

Wife works in a bank. I am not finding fault with anyone, but that

is their " prarabdha " . Should I continue to be in the family to

nourish the " rajsik and tamsik " creepers (though all this

is " vasudevam sarvamiti " )? It would be a pleasure should I

become manure for any " satvik " plant.

 

Gita also teaches - Viviktadeshsevitvam, aratirjansansadi (dwelling

in a secluded place and lack of desire to be in the crowd) supports

my decision to seek sanyas. Though I want to be in the company of

the saints " bodhyantah parasparam " .

 

Dear Prem Khullar ji, while I agree with you fully, and by seeking

retirement and entering into the Sanyas, I am sure I can better

serve God's needy creatures with more freedom and time. I have been

studying and conserving birds and their habitats in Haryana since

1976 ˜sarvabhoot hite ratah " .

 

Dear N K Srinivasan ji, nice suggestion. I want to have regular and

continuous ˜darshanâ " of saints ˜gyan vigyan astikyam "

 

Shashikala bahan, I am a complete failure in family life and will be

a big failure if I persist in my meaningless social efforts. I am

reading the scriptures in general and Sadhak Sanjivani / Sadhak

Sudha Sindhu in particular. Your arguments are faultless, yet I want

to run away from the consumerist society and want to lead a perfect

peaceful natural life under some banyan tree in an ashram. Your

˜bhabhi " is interested in money and will be happy to get my post-

retirement cash and monthly pension; I have already registered the

house in her name. For myself, I do not need much and out of my Rs

15000 plus monthly pension, I just need one fifth of it at the most.

I do not think in this modern society my family members, present

and/or would be, will be interested in a ˜yagyaacharatah karma " Let

them be in their fool's paradise (if I can use the term of Henry

David Thoreau).

 

Dear Mahalaksmi Dasi ji, I appreciate your optimism. But I am a sort

of " sarvaarambh prityagi " .

 

Dear Hari Shanker Deo, I am seeking company of spiritual people and

something within me says " get out of this dirty consumerist social

life " .

 

Dear Vineet Sarvottam ji, Is there some Ashram in Churu also? Yes,

you are right. I recall Kabir's vani ˜rahna nahi, desh begana hai "

 

Dear Vyas ji, I am indeed indebted to you for detailed guidance,

practical and yet spiritual.

 

Still, I am a little confused.

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

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Sir,

You must develop faith on our scriptures and establish firm

relationship with Gita itself can give you guidance on where to go,

what to do etc. Me too is 53 by age but I never feel my age because

I am engaged in service. Never worry about future or my past. We

must live in present. We are never free from responsibilities. Our

main duty is to know and serve. The more we know the more we serve.

Offer our service to the Lord while doing and we must leave it. Take

up the next till the Central Government terms end. We never end our

karma till the time of our departure from here. So that do not think

about a retirement from central government job. Still you can get

engaged in Gita service and the service with the Lord if you change

your attitude, not your situation. You have no control over the

situation only control is to develop over your mind.

Love, krishna das.

 

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If at some point in time when you are closer to a decision, you can

help us to help the needy children for their education, health and

mind.

 

Padmanabhan Sundaram

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhak,

Swamiji Ramsukhdasji, never encouraged such things as like taking

early retirement , he never asked anyone to leave the job and take

sanyaas (as far as I understand his teachings.)

yr desire could be called a Satvik desire, but no matter what desire

leads to sufferings. So Swamiji says-donot even desire for

liberation/mukti.

Only desire for God is Worth desiring.Have only one desire-

Krishna/God and He will show you the path to reach Him.

 

Yogusth kuru karmani(Do yr karma while established in Yoga)

Working or retired doesnot obstruct yr path for self

enlightenment.Start yr spiritual journey RIGHT NOW, at this very

moment, wherever you are.Donot make it a future goal.

 

Nasto Vidhyate Bhao, Nabhao vidhyate satah (Gita 2:16)

The unreal has no existence and the real has no cessation...

So nomatter where you are the Real is with you every moment and the

unreal is leaving you every moment.

 

Detachment from the unreal is sanyaas, and knowing the difference

between what is real and what is unreal is Knowledge (Gita Ch 13 &

14)

 

Accepting everything as God's is Bhakti (Vasudev Sarvam)

 

Now tell me to follow any of these paths-karma yoga, gyaan yoga or

bhakti yoga, where do you need to go ?

Nowhere/anywhere/everywhere ?

 

Kasturi Kundal basi mrig dhundhe van mahi---(the aroma is coming out

from deer's own naval but he is running in the forest to find the

source/ Krishna/God is sitting right in our heart, but we are trying

to find Him outside)

 

with lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Suresh Sharma ji,

 

WHERE TO GO ? WHERE CAN YOU GO ? NO WHERE . EVERY THING IS HERE . I

was an air force officer for 22 years. I retired 27 years back . I

am here running a 50 bed charitable hospital and various programs.

READ GITA , FOLLOW IT AND DO NOT BOTHER ABOUT THIS LIFE AND DEATH '

CHAKKAR'. It will be what ever it may be or whatever it has to be .

 

SERVE THE WORLD TO THE HILT - CEASELESSLY ,UNENDLESSLY AND FOR EVER.

LOVE

 

PREM KHULLAR

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Dear Sharmaji,

After retirement,I would suggest that you visit several pilgrim

centres and sacred temples,like a Parivrajika, with a few items with

you.Asmall suitcase and a bag.By such visits, your mind will be

purified and also you will learn more about our poeple ,their forms

of devotion and thier simple,humble ways.The railway tickets are

quite low and you need not sppend much.After say two or three years

of religious wandering or pilgrimages, you can select a place or

ashram or suitable palce to stay...This I learnt after my own

wanderings after the age of sixty.You are much younger and should be

easy for you.You will learn more about Bharat,our motherland after

that.

Regards,

In Shirdi Sai Smaran,

N K Srinivasan

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Jai Hanuman

 

No Bhaiyya Sharmaji. This " more or less over " with reference

to " duties " of marital life is not acceptable. Nor did I like your

last words - " where to go " !!

 

But your gesture/sentiment/approach is laudable- no questions about

the same!

 

WHERE TO GO ? - No where Dear. Remain where ever you are. Start now

a new life with no outer change. Concentrate on removing " Raag " (

Likings) and " Dvesha " (Dislikings) from your mind / intellect/

thoughts /psyche /person ! They are roots of your worldly stays of

past, present and future!

Read Scriptures/ Swamiji in spare time. Think about the soul, your

role in this Divine Lila !

 

By the way who are you to decide whether you should work or not? Did

you check up with Bhabhiji ( Mrs Sharma) ? Do as she says. No

arguments on this.

 

Have you planned adequately for your old age ? Who will instil God

in grand children? Who will guide them to righteousness? Who will

create cultural base for them and for the family ? Who will set

examples of selfless conduct? Who will make them better humans? Only

grand parents can do that- not the parents!

 

No Running away Bhaiyya! Stay put !! There are lot of things to do !

We will discuss if you actively participate !

 

Ever thought what should be your goal for balance life? It should

be " O God- I should not be coming back again in this world in any

type of body- unless you sponsor me as your representative for your

work. I should be free forever from this circle of birth and death " .

Think on these lines. Get rid of all worldly

attachments/connections/mineness by continuously and selflessly

serving all people around you with all the things you have - without

expecting anything from them in return In dreams even do not

visualise a situation where you get dependent over any worldly

body/thing. You get retired without actually retiring merely by

relinquishing dependence over the same ! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !!

 

Get free! Feel free ! Dream Free ! Seek freedom ! Remaining where

ever you are ! There is no need to go anywhere ! Make your home

itself a temple. Love all . See God in all. Don't establish

any " new " connection/relationship/attachment with any body/thing-

for getting anything worldly out of them. Concentrate on self and on

conscience.

 

KABIRA KHADA BAJAAR MAIN SABKI MAANGE KHAIR !

 

NA KAHOO SE DOSTI NA KAHOO SE VAIR !!

 

Says Saint Kabir - I am standing in this market (worldly life)

wishing good for all and sundry. I have neither any friends (

likings- Raag) nor any enemies (dislikings- Dvesha) !

 

That is real sanyaas ! My Dear Brother ! That is real retirement !

Not leaving or not leaving the Government Service !!

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

 

 

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My dandavat pranams to all in this fourm......responsibilities have

kept me so busy that I have neglected this beautiful forum, sadly.

In regard to this sacred question....what to do when one is

encountering the need to absorb oneself in spiritual practices for

oneself and others. I know that this is not exactly how the

question was worded, but truly, it is what I heard....because you

have come to the point of saying, " Where do I go from here " .....

indeed, age is not truly the criterion for one being ready to absorb

oneself in full devotion.....it is a point where one finally

accepts, " I have no business in this world save and except to live

for bhajan, for glorifying the lord, for providing knowledge of Gita

to others. "

 

I have accepted Los Angeles as my place to execute this

activity.....it is where the Lord has put me. Pray for guidance,

and it will come....Los Angeles has many, many groups of sadhaks, as

well as a very high level of vegetarian communities, vegan, raw,

east Indian, etc......and there are so so many people to give some

time and energy to as far as speaking on Bhagavat dharma. But than,

almost any city in the world these days, is needing Hari Katha to

purify the atmosphere.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

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Stay where you are. Seek a genuine Guru/Guru within. He will lead

you towards the right path. Meditate and seek the company of

spiritual people.

Hari Shanker Deo

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Shri Sureshji, This is the same question that I had asked Swamiji

fourteen years back, while considering retirement - (should I go to

Rushikul, or Churu, or Rishikesh, or Gorakhpur), then his reply is

something that is useful to you - " Brother, wherever you are, remain

there as is, always " longing and desiring " , then your work will be

done. Because that Paramatma which you think about attaining in

Gorakhpur, or Rishikesh etc. that very same Paramatma wholly and

entirely is at this very moment close to you, now and at all

times. What more, you yourself are wise and patient, but when it

comes to relationship with Paramatma, the impatience (that intense

longing) works ! Very well!

 

Vineet Sarvottam

 

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Hari Om

 

Dear Shri Sharmaji

 

At the outset welcome! Great things in life don't wait for any

retirement. No outside activity can accelerate your turning towards

the ultimate. If your family has slightest of the need for your

continuing doing the Govt Job - Please unhesitantly continue doing

that. Swamiji always advocated " 24 x 7 " work. Consider after having

fulfilled your responsibilities at this age of 53 ( I am also 53 and

have done all that is necessary for my family responsibilities,

married both daughters, a son and another son is ready for marriage,

all well settled- only difference is I am employed in private

sector) as to whether whatever you earn honourably and justfully out

of your employment- you should use them for welfare and benefit of

1. Those for whom you still have mineness/attachment (including your

body)- with a special sentiment always awakened in you inside that "

they are not you/yours/for you " 2 Those for whom you have no

mineness/attachment.

 

That is one way you can plan. Check up with your better half if she

wants you to continue working. If she says even " may be " or " as you

think fit " - work! Work so that you may never seek economic

dependence upon anyone for rest of your life. Work so that you may

be of help to category 2 people ( stated in preceding paragraph)!

Work in government without accepting anything extra. Live there like

a lotus in water. You can. You should. Work so that you may see God

whereever you get engaged in.

 

Ensure that today you don't need anybody for anything pertaining to

your balance stay in this world. If you feel some are dependent upon

you( say wife)- serve them with double intensity and speed.

 

But keep a thought burning inside you - " I am of God, Only God is

mine, nothing else is mine " . Don't expect anything from anybody-

even from God. Keep utilising whatever you have for benefit and

welfare of whoever comes in touch with you - if you can and if you

should.

 

All extra time in your life should be utilised in reading Swamiji's

books, Gita, Ramayana, listening to Swamiji's pravachans, singing

bhajans, doing keertans and remaining in good company always.

 

This is one way. Another totally different way - next time.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

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Great idea!!!!!

I have been doing the same because I have also been influenced very

deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. We might be able to do share some

thoughts on some projects

 

Satya Kalra

 

 

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Respected Vyasji and others,

 

I am 53 and may seek premature retirement from my central govt

service. Married and family responsibilities are more or less over.

 

I want to spend my post-retirement life in the company of Gita

scholars/students/lovers. I have been influenced deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj.

 

Can you kindly guide me where to go?

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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NEW POSTING

 

Dear Sadhak,

The situations you just described are excellent circumstances for

God realization-

1. Free from reponsibilies

2. Free from worldly attachments

3. Considering yr self total failure means no dependency on yr own

strength

 

So instead of putting yr self in Golden Cage(due to attachment to

satvik guna) you should completely surrender yr self to God and be

free(jeevanmukta)

In my opinion you should insist on Paramatma Prapti(God realization)

not on ritualistic sanyaas or good company etc.Do satsang,go and

spend time in ashram, live with realized souls, but always look

inside, and know that I am God's and only God is mine. Knowledge,

devotion and liberation all will come with this knowing only.

 

With lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Sureshji,

 

Your predicament was summed up so well by a comment made by Jeshua

the

Nazarene, " a prophet is not without honor except in his own country

and in his own house " . I just recently made a comment on send to

entire group at another time)

Your country is the World of the Spirit, I have gone through the very

things you have gone through believe you me, I too live in the World

of the Spirit, we dwell in the same land, not Geographically you

understand.

Did not Sri Ramakrishna Paramahams, say God is closer than your skin,

if the good Swami was correct, you do not have to go anywhere to find

'The Beloved', I sure you know 'He' dwells in your heart.

It took me years to come to terms with things like Christmas, I

saw/see it as a time of gluttony and excess, built on a fable,

borrowing from the Pagans,(no disrespect to the Pagans intended).

I had to detach or go mad, but also honor the good things that happen

,like decent organizations that give the poor and destitute a decent

feed at that time, and we by presents that can be distributed to the

poor.

My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this!

Of course the family know me as an oddball, but also they know me as

one without hate, one who will help when there is need.

I have been blessed with so much Divine Love, I have met so many,

many, Great Souls, what a Divine forum this is, is it not?

In passing I am retired but am a very busy person.

 

With Respect and Divine Love,

 

Mike Keenor

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Sureshji, I read your respectful responses to

sadhakas who attempted to answer your question on retirement and

sanyas. My experience tells me that if you have so many reasons to

retire and take sanyas, chances are it will not work for you,

particularly when these reasons are: you don't like situation and/or

behavior of people around you.It sounds like you may be forcing it

upon you(I may be wrong). I am not saying they(spouse/children) are

right in their own rights, but to think " they are wrong and

therefore, you have nothing to do with them " may be the the wrong

thinking as I see it. When one doesn't have any reasons, but only

happiness/love in whatever and wherever one is placed(not where one

places oneself), then, by all means, retirement and sanyas will work

better for one. We generally try to do or undo things to be happy

which, at best, works for short time and we are already looking for

something else to do or undo out of boredom.When we are already

happy and loving, then we do or undo things as if we are playing to

celebrate the life, because we are not looking to get anything which

will make us happy, we just are!I have learnt from life never to

possess another human being be that person your spouse, children,

friends, siblings, parents or whoever. Sometimes we possess by

making someone guilty or self pitying ourselves in front of them or

demands on them, or all such subtle tricks. One's sincerity and

honesty with oneself and above all love for truth will show the next

step. Namaskar

Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadak,Bagavan said, " Loka Sheman Vahamiyam " . Means HE takes

care of the whole creation. So dont worry who will teach your

grandchildren. Your time is running out. Only you have to put your

effort which only will work out. Mostly seekers left homes and

stayed amidst nature to avoid social obligations such as marriages

etc. Even saints living with family were also remained detached and

so they were called excentric.This birth balance time can be

untilised purposefully in Sat Sangh, Bajans, Namasankeethan Etc.

Control all emotions, aviod being slave to toung (taste and talk),

see only God`s statue, walk only to temples, your free time spend in

meditation.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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My respectable Sharma ji,

 

I am a 44 year old Police officer in Delhi Police and for at least

20 years of my life I had been privileged to attend the Satsangas of

Swami Ramsukhdasji alongwith reading of his books (particularly the

book " Geeta Probodhini " , which influenced my life, greatly).

Sharmaji, for the last few years I have also been going through the

same social situations as has been described by you and the same

thoughts also come to my mind. I have tried my best to search for

the so called " serenity under a Banyan Tree " but found it no where.

My dear elder brother, we should not forget that we have some basic

needs in our life to be taken care of, so long as we are (rather we

have to) dragging the loathsome weight of this body and for that

very purpose we need society, which I donot think, is wrong. With

the increase of age, our medical needs also increase, which cannot

be avoided.

 

Now comes the burning question, then " Where to Go " ? My dear

brother, with all my sincerety, honesty and experience ( whaterver I

have gained by the grace of my Gurudev) I very truly and whole-

heartedly request you to please take refuge in ATMA. This is the

only place I have found to be most secluded and Serene. When you

are established in your realself, ATMA and when you have made

Brahmakar Vritti, you will find real great bliss, satisfaction and

the most Serene Place in your life, no matter where you are sitting,

whether in a birthday party or marriage party etc. Sir, as and when

you try to run away from these places, I am sorry to say, you

unknowingly create another bindings of Raga and Dwesha, which simply

add another hurdle in your way to attain real and eternal tranqality

in your life which you can attain even while sitting in your office

or at home.

 

Gaining Brahmakar Vritti is neither easy nor difficult. All it

depends on our sincerity. Try this-- throw away all intelligence

you have gained throughout your life, feel like an innocent child

and surrender yourself to God. Cry and cry desperately for him like

an innocent stubborn child. Feel yourself like Arjuna and listen

Him preeching Geeta. (Geeta Probodhini is best) Believe me, He

will come to your rescue and make the way.

 

If ever in Rishikesh, I can suggest satsang opportunity.

Ram Ram

 

Raj Kumar

 

Dear Sharmaji,

I read with interest your post and reply by friends.You say your

family responsibilities are over. But from what you write about your

son,daughter and wife that you are deeply involved in their views and

way of life though they are adults.Your main problem is trying to

control their way of life to yours and just because they as adults

donot agree with your way of life, you tend to blame them and also

your way of bringing up. You think you failed somewhere. You are

absolutely wrong in your view.Your wife and children have been

magnanimous in not enforcing their view or way of life on you . You

want to go on world tour or Indian tour of theertha places, i am sure

your family will allow it. do that and you will understand what is

GEETHA OR DHARMA.

With kind regards.

captain Johann samuhanand

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

Bhaiyya Sharmaji ! Very good Jee !! Bhabhiji should not eat

Golgappes because you don't like Golgappes !! Excellent Jee! Wahe

Guru! She should become like a " Gandhari " – is it? If children get

happy by birthday gifts, you feel they are becoming greedy !

Superlative Jee !! Why will they learn that as they become happy by

taking, there is someone becoming happy by giving also ? You don't

like what your son is doing ( Cellphone/ TV addiction) , good –

understandable ! But then what is objection to you , if he does not

like your watching News on TV ? Whatever " I LIKE SHOULD HAPPEN " –

Is that what you are suggesting, My Dear Bhaiyya ?? What is wrong

with Bhabhiji and kids if they expect you to behave in accordance

with their wish, particularly when you yourself have same

attitude ?. Hence they are in complete tandem with you !! Bolo

Jee !! Boliye Sir !

 

Your complaint is that Mrs Sharma is a great supporter of Son.

Anything wrong there? Are you not a supporter of your son? Who

doesnot support Sons/Daughters? If she is supporting a wrong

conduct , according to you, then it is her dereliction of duties.

Why you should transfer yourself under a banyan tree? If your

nephews etc do not approve of your Gita ways of living, then you

should take sanyaas? Which way is this Bhaiyyaji? Bolo ! " GITA WAY

OF LIVING " !! Approval of nephews/nieces is necessary for you? They

told you honestly that they are too young. Remember your being at

that age!

 

" Rajasic/Tamasic Creepers " !! These are the words you used for God's

children !! Pray to night before the God and say sorry to God –

don't forget to do that !! On one hand, you have registered your

house in the name of my Bhabhiji ( What a great love and

affection) , on the other hand you cannot even tolerate a sight of

her peacefully taking bites of delicious golgappes- which kind of

SAMATA ( EQUANIMITY) is this? Is not clearly a love / mineness

hidden beneath the outer layer of hate? Former is RAAG as per Gita.

Latter is DVESHA as per Gita ! Under which banyan tree you will find

practical situations like this to become EQUANIMOUS?

 

She is working in a bank. She does not need your Retirement cheque.

OK ! Now don't leave the job. Don't make them happy. Say You are not

retiring, Jee ! BECOME " Viviktadeshasevitvam " ( referred by you)

while remaining at home only. Become also " Asaktaranbhishvangam

putra daar griha dishu " ( Referred in previous sloka of BG 13).

Start accumulating money EXCLUSIVELY FOR YOURSELF AND ONLY FOR

YOURSELF_ for next 4/5 years. Don't even give an air of your current

pay cheques. Talk sweetly ! Try to throw bitterness from your

conduct. Inside your heart, there should not be an anger in you for

them, nor an ego in you as to how they will manage, nor a worry in

you, nor an impetuosity in you to know their reactions. Nor should

there be any outer proclamation of revolutionary conduct by you.

NOTHING in front. Let them ignore you. Let them drive their own

lives. When they demand anything from you, then take a call. There

you should think- CAN I DO AND SHOULD I DO ?

 

Keep in touch Jee !

 

Namaste Jee

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sharmaji Your problem is that you are too good a person but

you are taking care of your family in an obliging manner. Now

that the children have grown up and they have started reflecting

upon in their own way- you still desire an attention by them

towards you. You feel the family should circle around your wishes,

tantrums, and thoughts. Come what may- it will not happen. It is not

correct for you to so expect. Spiritualism arises from within-

Sharmaji ! It can not be inflicted by an injection in the

youngsters. Ladies across the globe are like that only. At least

yours is earning and then eating Pani puri. God may create

circumstances in which instead of pani puri ,the very you get

eaten. There is nothing unusual emanating out of your narration

which can drive you to take sanyaas . Dont give much attention to

them. Concentrate on yourself. All are good. All are of God only.

This world has been made in such a manner that it in the end imparts

sorrow only. Hence dont think of going anywhere merely because your

beloveds are not behaving as you like them to do. It is injustice.

Ignore them. Pay attention to your duties and not to the duties of

others.

 

Regards Bandook Singh

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Hari Om

 

My Dear Sharmaji ! Thanks for honest expressions. You indeed have a

pure heart. But Facts as they appear to me are that ONLY you are at

fault- I seek your forgiveness. That every soul is self

centered /selfish is not something which is a new revelation. That

nobody except Paramatma is you/yours/for you is crystal clear to

you, me and all. PROBLEM WITH ALL OF US IS THAT WE KNOW BUT WE DON'T

ACCEPT TILL WE GET SHOCKS ! We know that this body, world, kith and

kin are not ours but still we complain that they don't listen to

words of wisdom. Now what is special about it? It is so ab initio.

But going under some banyan tree is not the answer to your emotional

confusions and complaints. Bitterness, complaint,

frustration,dejection,helplessness, rejection of present status,

expectations of a better conduct from your beloveds, feeling of self

worthlessness , likings , dislikings, cold anger, desire, all of

them are existing inside you and you only. Will your mind not emit

those emotions under a banyan tree? Will the memories not haunt you

there? Believe me – they will !

 

Now what to do ? Consider if you are so insistent on the following.

1. Don't leave the job 2. Take a small house nearby your existing

house on rent and shift there- all alone.3. Stop spending a penny on

any one except on yourself. 4. If kith and kin come to you, tell

them with folded hands --, " Thanks. Now I shall concentrate on

myself.I have a lot to do for myself. Please don't worry about me. I

shall take care of myself. Please be happy. God Bless you, all " .

Then start your sadhana as a " Bhakti Yogi " . ( My earlier suggestion

was reg Karma Yoga).

 

Start concentrating on " self " . Start eliminating- as Shashikalaji

told you- " Raag " ( Likings) and " Dvesha " ( Dislikings) from your

conduct. Your real enemies are Raag and Dvesha. Try to put "

Equanimity " in your conduct. What is the problem to you if Mrs

Sharma likes " golgappes " ? According to you she should eat only what

you want her to eat – Is it? This is example of Raag/Dvesha ! You

have to conquer this. No you cant make youngsters behave as you want

them to behave. YOU CANNOT ! Can you control your own mind and body?

No !

 

You need a lot to do with your own reference!

 

Believe in what Swamiji says in Sadhak Sanjeevani or Sadhan Sudha

Sindhu. Believe that nothing is yours. Believe that " I am of God

and ONLY God is mine. " Never give up your job – else there is a

danger that you shall lose both ends. " DUVIDHA MAIN DONO GAYE ,

MAYA MILI NA RAAM " ( In dilemma, I lost both. World as well as

God) ! Start implementing Swamiji's teachings. You have reached to

present state of " Vairagya " ( Dispassion) only because you served

in the past your wife and children. SERVICE DESTROYS MINENESS- it is

a principle given for benefit of entire humanity by Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. Live such dozens and dozens of laws/principles

stated by Taat Shree in His books/discourses/messages etc.

Concentrate more on that !!

 

There are other methods also. Keep writing/reading. You are in a

right, divine forum.

 

Your kith and kin shall ignore you only so long as you consider them

to be " yours " . The moment you really believe that they are not

yours, they will become " Godly " for you ! Try this !! All dirt is

there in " mineness " only.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas NB

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Respected All,

 

I am greatful for the guidance.

 

Dear Sadhna Kargar ji, very sensible indeed. My problem is that I am

a total failure or misfit in the society. I do not attend the

marriage parties where lot of noisy filmy songs and DJ dances etc.

make me sick even if I keep safe distance. I do not attend birthday

parties because the children celebrating the birthdays are more

interested in the gifts they get " we the gift-givers turn

them into greedy beings. I do not approve of my only son's obsession

with learning modern filmy dance and his addition to cell phone and

TV (he does not like even my watching the news channel) " I am a

total failure as a father for no fault of mine. I cannot take my

wife for outings because she is fond of eating " golgappe " etc and

above all she is a great supporter of her son's activities basically

completely spoiling him from spiritual point of view and making him

into a socially clever fellow. My daughter is in the job and

interested in getting materialistically rich just like any other

young lady. My nephews and niece do not approve of my Gita's way of

life, they say they are too young for these boring things. No one in

my family circle is interested in Swamiji's literature, but in Shani

Mandir and tantrik puja etc. I have realized to the core of my

heart that I cannot change or influence anyone in my family for their

real betterment. Wife and son are feeling happy at my idea of

premature retirement as they will get a few more lakhs of rupees.

Wife works in a bank. I am not finding fault with anyone, but that

is their " prarabdha " . Should I continue to be in the family to

nourish the " rajsik and tamsik " creepers (though all this

is " vasudevam sarvamiti " )? It would be a pleasure should I

become manure for any " satvik " plant.

 

Gita also teaches - Viviktadeshsevitvam, aratirjansansadi (dwelling

in a secluded place and lack of desire to be in the crowd) supports

my decision to seek sanyas. Though I want to be in the company of

the saints " bodhyantah parasparam " .

 

Dear Prem Khullar ji, while I agree with you fully, and by seeking

retirement and entering into the Sanyas, I am sure I can better

serve God's needy creatures with more freedom and time. I have been

studying and conserving birds and their habitats in Haryana since

1976 ˜sarvabhoot hite ratah " .

 

Dear N K Srinivasan ji, nice suggestion. I want to have regular and

continuous ˜darshanâ " of saints ˜gyan vigyan astikyam "

 

Shashikala bahan, I am a complete failure in family life and will be

a big failure if I persist in my meaningless social efforts. I am

reading the scriptures in general and Sadhak Sanjivani / Sadhak

Sudha Sindhu in particular. Your arguments are faultless, yet I want

to run away from the consumerist society and want to lead a perfect

peaceful natural life under some banyan tree in an ashram. Your

˜bhabhi " is interested in money and will be happy to get my post-

retirement cash and monthly pension; I have already registered the

house in her name. For myself, I do not need much and out of my Rs

15000 plus monthly pension, I just need one fifth of it at the most.

I do not think in this modern society my family members, present

and/or would be, will be interested in a ˜yagyaacharatah karma " Let

them be in their fool's paradise (if I can use the term of Henry

David Thoreau).

 

Dear Mahalaksmi Dasi ji, I appreciate your optimism. But I am a sort

of " sarvaarambh prityagi " .

 

Dear Hari Shanker Deo, I am seeking company of spiritual people and

something within me says " get out of this dirty consumerist social

life " .

 

Dear Vineet Sarvottam ji, Is there some Ashram in Churu also? Yes,

you are right. I recall Kabir's vani ˜rahna nahi, desh begana hai "

 

Dear Vyas ji, I am indeed indebted to you for detailed guidance,

practical and yet spiritual.

 

Still, I am a little confused.

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

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Sir,

You must develop faith on our scriptures and establish firm

relationship with Gita itself can give you guidance on where to go,

what to do etc. Me too is 53 by age but I never feel my age because

I am engaged in service. Never worry about future or my past. We

must live in present. We are never free from responsibilities. Our

main duty is to know and serve. The more we know the more we serve.

Offer our service to the Lord while doing and we must leave it. Take

up the next till the Central Government terms end. We never end our

karma till the time of our departure from here. So that do not think

about a retirement from central government job. Still you can get

engaged in Gita service and the service with the Lord if you change

your attitude, not your situation. You have no control over the

situation only control is to develop over your mind.

Love, krishna das.

 

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If at some point in time when you are closer to a decision, you can

help us to help the needy children for their education, health and

mind.

 

Padmanabhan Sundaram

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhak,

Swamiji Ramsukhdasji, never encouraged such things as like taking

early retirement , he never asked anyone to leave the job and take

sanyaas (as far as I understand his teachings.)

yr desire could be called a Satvik desire, but no matter what desire

leads to sufferings. So Swamiji says-donot even desire for

liberation/mukti.

Only desire for God is Worth desiring.Have only one desire-

Krishna/God and He will show you the path to reach Him.

 

Yogusth kuru karmani(Do yr karma while established in Yoga)

Working or retired doesnot obstruct yr path for self

enlightenment.Start yr spiritual journey RIGHT NOW, at this very

moment, wherever you are.Donot make it a future goal.

 

Nasto Vidhyate Bhao, Nabhao vidhyate satah (Gita 2:16)

The unreal has no existence and the real has no cessation...

So nomatter where you are the Real is with you every moment and the

unreal is leaving you every moment.

 

Detachment from the unreal is sanyaas, and knowing the difference

between what is real and what is unreal is Knowledge (Gita Ch 13 &

14)

 

Accepting everything as God's is Bhakti (Vasudev Sarvam)

 

Now tell me to follow any of these paths-karma yoga, gyaan yoga or

bhakti yoga, where do you need to go ?

Nowhere/anywhere/everywhere ?

 

Kasturi Kundal basi mrig dhundhe van mahi---(the aroma is coming out

from deer's own naval but he is running in the forest to find the

source/ Krishna/God is sitting right in our heart, but we are trying

to find Him outside)

 

with lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Suresh Sharma ji,

 

WHERE TO GO ? WHERE CAN YOU GO ? NO WHERE . EVERY THING IS HERE . I

was an air force officer for 22 years. I retired 27 years back . I

am here running a 50 bed charitable hospital and various programs.

READ GITA , FOLLOW IT AND DO NOT BOTHER ABOUT THIS LIFE AND DEATH '

CHAKKAR'. It will be what ever it may be or whatever it has to be .

 

SERVE THE WORLD TO THE HILT - CEASELESSLY ,UNENDLESSLY AND FOR EVER.

LOVE

 

PREM KHULLAR

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Dear Sharmaji,

After retirement,I would suggest that you visit several pilgrim

centres and sacred temples,like a Parivrajika, with a few items with

you.Asmall suitcase and a bag.By such visits, your mind will be

purified and also you will learn more about our poeple ,their forms

of devotion and thier simple,humble ways.The railway tickets are

quite low and you need not sppend much.After say two or three years

of religious wandering or pilgrimages, you can select a place or

ashram or suitable palce to stay...This I learnt after my own

wanderings after the age of sixty.You are much younger and should be

easy for you.You will learn more about Bharat,our motherland after

that.

Regards,

In Shirdi Sai Smaran,

N K Srinivasan

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Jai Hanuman

 

No Bhaiyya Sharmaji. This " more or less over " with reference

to " duties " of marital life is not acceptable. Nor did I like your

last words - " where to go " !!

 

But your gesture/sentiment/approach is laudable- no questions about

the same!

 

WHERE TO GO ? - No where Dear. Remain where ever you are. Start now

a new life with no outer change. Concentrate on removing " Raag " (

Likings) and " Dvesha " (Dislikings) from your mind / intellect/

thoughts /psyche /person ! They are roots of your worldly stays of

past, present and future!

Read Scriptures/ Swamiji in spare time. Think about the soul, your

role in this Divine Lila !

 

By the way who are you to decide whether you should work or not? Did

you check up with Bhabhiji ( Mrs Sharma) ? Do as she says. No

arguments on this.

 

Have you planned adequately for your old age ? Who will instil God

in grand children? Who will guide them to righteousness? Who will

create cultural base for them and for the family ? Who will set

examples of selfless conduct? Who will make them better humans? Only

grand parents can do that- not the parents!

 

No Running away Bhaiyya! Stay put !! There are lot of things to do !

We will discuss if you actively participate !

 

Ever thought what should be your goal for balance life? It should

be " O God- I should not be coming back again in this world in any

type of body- unless you sponsor me as your representative for your

work. I should be free forever from this circle of birth and death " .

Think on these lines. Get rid of all worldly

attachments/connections/mineness by continuously and selflessly

serving all people around you with all the things you have - without

expecting anything from them in return In dreams even do not

visualise a situation where you get dependent over any worldly

body/thing. You get retired without actually retiring merely by

relinquishing dependence over the same ! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !!

 

Get free! Feel free ! Dream Free ! Seek freedom ! Remaining where

ever you are ! There is no need to go anywhere ! Make your home

itself a temple. Love all . See God in all. Don't establish

any " new " connection/relationship/attachment with any body/thing-

for getting anything worldly out of them. Concentrate on self and on

conscience.

 

KABIRA KHADA BAJAAR MAIN SABKI MAANGE KHAIR !

 

NA KAHOO SE DOSTI NA KAHOO SE VAIR !!

 

Says Saint Kabir - I am standing in this market (worldly life)

wishing good for all and sundry. I have neither any friends (

likings- Raag) nor any enemies (dislikings- Dvesha) !

 

That is real sanyaas ! My Dear Brother ! That is real retirement !

Not leaving or not leaving the Government Service !!

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

 

 

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My dandavat pranams to all in this fourm......responsibilities have

kept me so busy that I have neglected this beautiful forum, sadly.

In regard to this sacred question....what to do when one is

encountering the need to absorb oneself in spiritual practices for

oneself and others. I know that this is not exactly how the

question was worded, but truly, it is what I heard....because you

have come to the point of saying, " Where do I go from here " .....

indeed, age is not truly the criterion for one being ready to absorb

oneself in full devotion.....it is a point where one finally

accepts, " I have no business in this world save and except to live

for bhajan, for glorifying the lord, for providing knowledge of Gita

to others. "

 

I have accepted Los Angeles as my place to execute this

activity.....it is where the Lord has put me. Pray for guidance,

and it will come....Los Angeles has many, many groups of sadhaks, as

well as a very high level of vegetarian communities, vegan, raw,

east Indian, etc......and there are so so many people to give some

time and energy to as far as speaking on Bhagavat dharma. But than,

almost any city in the world these days, is needing Hari Katha to

purify the atmosphere.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

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Stay where you are. Seek a genuine Guru/Guru within. He will lead

you towards the right path. Meditate and seek the company of

spiritual people.

Hari Shanker Deo

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Shri Sureshji, This is the same question that I had asked Swamiji

fourteen years back, while considering retirement - (should I go to

Rushikul, or Churu, or Rishikesh, or Gorakhpur), then his reply is

something that is useful to you - " Brother, wherever you are, remain

there as is, always " longing and desiring " , then your work will be

done. Because that Paramatma which you think about attaining in

Gorakhpur, or Rishikesh etc. that very same Paramatma wholly and

entirely is at this very moment close to you, now and at all

times. What more, you yourself are wise and patient, but when it

comes to relationship with Paramatma, the impatience (that intense

longing) works ! Very well!

 

Vineet Sarvottam

 

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Hari Om

 

Dear Shri Sharmaji

 

At the outset welcome! Great things in life don't wait for any

retirement. No outside activity can accelerate your turning towards

the ultimate. If your family has slightest of the need for your

continuing doing the Govt Job - Please unhesitantly continue doing

that. Swamiji always advocated " 24 x 7 " work. Consider after having

fulfilled your responsibilities at this age of 53 ( I am also 53 and

have done all that is necessary for my family responsibilities,

married both daughters, a son and another son is ready for marriage,

all well settled- only difference is I am employed in private

sector) as to whether whatever you earn honourably and justfully out

of your employment- you should use them for welfare and benefit of

1. Those for whom you still have mineness/attachment (including your

body)- with a special sentiment always awakened in you inside that "

they are not you/yours/for you " 2 Those for whom you have no

mineness/attachment.

 

That is one way you can plan. Check up with your better half if she

wants you to continue working. If she says even " may be " or " as you

think fit " - work! Work so that you may never seek economic

dependence upon anyone for rest of your life. Work so that you may

be of help to category 2 people ( stated in preceding paragraph)!

Work in government without accepting anything extra. Live there like

a lotus in water. You can. You should. Work so that you may see God

whereever you get engaged in.

 

Ensure that today you don't need anybody for anything pertaining to

your balance stay in this world. If you feel some are dependent upon

you( say wife)- serve them with double intensity and speed.

 

But keep a thought burning inside you - " I am of God, Only God is

mine, nothing else is mine " . Don't expect anything from anybody-

even from God. Keep utilising whatever you have for benefit and

welfare of whoever comes in touch with you - if you can and if you

should.

 

All extra time in your life should be utilised in reading Swamiji's

books, Gita, Ramayana, listening to Swamiji's pravachans, singing

bhajans, doing keertans and remaining in good company always.

 

This is one way. Another totally different way - next time.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

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Great idea!!!!!

I have been doing the same because I have also been influenced very

deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. We might be able to do share some

thoughts on some projects

 

Satya Kalra

 

 

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Respected Vyasji and others,

 

I am 53 and may seek premature retirement from my central govt

service. Married and family responsibilities are more or less over.

 

I want to spend my post-retirement life in the company of Gita

scholars/students/lovers. I have been influenced deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj.

 

Can you kindly guide me where to go?

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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NEW POSTING

 

Jai Hanuman

 

We as humans have to face this peculiar creation made by God as an

acid test.This world is simply an examination hall for each and

every human being. Here is the world which like greggary(sweet) or

salt from which ever side or way you " consume " it is sorrowful.

(DUKHALAYAM) Biggest treachery comes from the closest people. There

is no way a permanent element can derive pleasure out of temporary

element. Now what is our role? How to go about it? How to conquer?

How to pass with distinction marks from this examination?

 

Art of Living in this world as taught by Swamiji is simple. Don't

try to change the circumstances. Change yourself. Don't judge

others. Judge yourself. Problem is that generally we judge others

and pardon ourselves. It should be reverse. Once you concentrate on

your duties and others' rights - you are on right path. But ego does

not often let us do that. We often end up talking about our rights

and others' duties. How wife should behave, how children should

behave etc etc. What we don't pay attention to is that " talking "

doesnot help. Conduct or silent example setting before the kids

helps.If you want some one to live as per Gita- the best way is to

live yourself as per Gita. At the appropriate hour the vibrations

will be caught by the children. Any hurry or insistence invariably

gets counter productive. You have no capacity to mould others as per

your wishes. That you can't do. You have capacity to mould yourself

as per wishes of others. That you can do. Where is the wisdom in

attempting what we can't do and ignoring what we can do !

 

I oppose bitterly this " mind " only because it always suggests what

we can't do. From the perspective of mind it is natural because it

exists in " nothingness " only- past/future! But from ever

existing " self " point of view- it proves fatal. Hence scriptures ask

you to drop reliance on mind.

 

Once we are on right path- what is my duty - the result in due

course is miraculous and unbelievable !!

 

What is the result ? Result is that " dukhalayam " gets converted

practically into " God " Himself (Vasudevah Sarvam) ! Once you don't

desire anything from anyone - then that anyone becomes God -as far

as you are concerned. This is something which sounds extra ordinary

but my experience has taught me that it is true.

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sadhak

Dear Suresh Sharma

I feel while remaining with the family, you can still have God

realisation by having detached view, Sakshi bhav, surrendering

fruits of all actions to God, leaving Karta Bhav and of course

meditation and Bhakti to wards Supreme God what so ever name you

call him

Thanks

 

 

G K Agrawal

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Hare Krsna

 

Respected Suresh ji

 

I have been following your mail and the replies. I fully understand

you confusion. Please don't lose your faith in Sri Krishna. Give

your thought or desire some time. If your faith and devotion is

strong and it doesn't deplete with time and surroundings and

circumstances Sri Krishna will show you some way out. In the

meantime completely surrender to Sri Krishna. He will take care of

your problem.As Sri Krishna states in the BG 9:22 " Ananyas

cintayanto maam ye.....yoga-ksemam vahamy aham "

 

Hare Krsna

" srivally k "

 

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Hari Om

 

Sharmaji ! Did you observe what Mike told ? " I don't judge " ! How

can you judge creation made by our Great Father ? After all we are

His children only - nothing more! Consider the " certainty " flowing

out of Mike's expression and experience! I told you before that you

are " pure " (open) hearted person ! This is how spiritual

reconciliations take place- notwithstanding

culture/caste/colour/country/civilisation etc !!! That is where Holy

Gitaji and Saints like Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj shine like Polar

Star!

 

" My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this! "

 

That is real " advice " ! That is what is " warranted " !! You can't

be " Judge " in this world made by Paramatma !! That is " Satsanga " !

That is " nectar " ! That is " Divine " ! This is " Mantra " ! This

is " guidance " ! Believe me on that ! ( I am taking this liberty of

asking you to " believe me " because you addressed the Question to me,

too )

 

That propels you to shed your " ego " ,your " intellect " ,

your 'mind, " .your " " mamata " (mineness) , your " likings " ( Raag) and

your " dislikings " (Dvesha) !.That requires you to get rid of

your " antahkarana " - by not acknowledging the same to be " yours " !

 

That makes you subdued too. That also makes you a child. That is

reality. That is " SAT " within the meaning of Gitaji.

 

That is " viveka " (Conscience), my Dear Sharmaji !

 

This is " Geeta Talk Group " ! Most certainly this is " Humanity " !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Dear Sharmaji,

 

I don't see why you have to go any where.

If you are comfortable in the place you have lived all these years,

just stay there. If not, just find a surrounding you are comfortable

with.

You already love Gita Ji and also have been deeply influenced by

the books of a particular Swami. You have Internet, pretty much

wherever you are. Just translate sections of the book you like

to English. If it is already in English, re-write in your words.

Share your insight with others, who may be interested.

That is one way to spread your learning among others who may not

have thought of such things, but not averse to it.

Even if you can spread it to one other individual, that is plenty.

You can also share on the Internet. Start a blog site to

post your insights.You are all ready in parama-satsangh.

Joyfully participate in life- you can only do it, when you have

internally withdrawn.

 

 

Enjoy

 

KST

Koti Sreekrishna

 

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Dear Suresh Sharmaji, Let us follow the Lord in doing good karma and

you can think of joining us . --Prem

 

 

Prem Kumar Khullar

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Dear Shashikala bahan,

 

Et tu Brutus.

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Dear Sadhna Karigar ji,

 

Much help indeed.

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Dear Mike,

 

Your affection has wrapped me from all sides. (Manas : ab mohi bha

bharos

Hanumanta / Binu harikripa milahi nahi santa - Now, I am convinced

Hanuman that

without God’s grace, we cannot even meet the saints)

__________________

 

Dear Pratap Bhatt ji,

 

Your words have opened my eyes, and they make me sad also, though I

know the

truth of ‘shubhashubh prityagi’

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Dear Baiya Sathyanarayan,

 

Your words are like torch to me. I can now see the path more clearly.

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Dear Raj Kumar ji,

 

You make my heart weep and my eyes damp, out of sheer happiness.

This forum has

really helped me. Krishna’s grace †" unbounded and all around.

________________________

 

Dear Capt Johann Samuhanand,

 

Much grateful for the kind words and guidance, easy to practise.

 

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Dear Bandook Singh ji,

 

I will continue my duties towards all †" vasudhaiv kutumbkam.

 

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Dear Vyas ji,

 

Bura jo dekhan mai gaya, bura na milya koi

Jo ghat dekha aapna, mujhse bura no koi.

 

Once again thank you all for your valuable guidance and making me

see the light in right perspective. I will continue my job and

remain with the family - reading scriptures, attending satsang,

meeting saints and leading a life in a yagyamaya manner.

 

Kindest regards,

Suresh C Sharma

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Dear Sadhak,

The situations you just described are excellent circumstances for

God realization-

1. Free from reponsibilies

2. Free from worldly attachments

3. Considering yr self total failure means no dependency on yr own

strength

 

So instead of putting yr self in Golden Cage(due to attachment to

satvik guna) you should completely surrender yr self to God and be

free(jeevanmukta)

In my opinion you should insist on Paramatma Prapti(God realization)

not on ritualistic sanyaas or good company etc.Do satsang,go and

spend time in ashram, live with realized souls, but always look

inside, and know that I am God's and only God is mine. Knowledge,

devotion and liberation all will come with this knowing only.

 

With lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Sureshji,

 

Your predicament was summed up so well by a comment made by Jeshua

the

Nazarene, " a prophet is not without honor except in his own country

and in his own house " . I just recently made a comment on send to

entire group at another time)

Your country is the World of the Spirit, I have gone through the very

things you have gone through believe you me, I too live in the World

of the Spirit, we dwell in the same land, not Geographically you

understand.

Did not Sri Ramakrishna Paramahams, say God is closer than your skin,

if the good Swami was correct, you do not have to go anywhere to find

'The Beloved', I sure you know 'He' dwells in your heart.

It took me years to come to terms with things like Christmas, I

saw/see it as a time of gluttony and excess, built on a fable,

borrowing from the Pagans,(no disrespect to the Pagans intended).

I had to detach or go mad, but also honor the good things that happen

,like decent organizations that give the poor and destitute a decent

feed at that time, and we by presents that can be distributed to the

poor.

My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this!

Of course the family know me as an oddball, but also they know me as

one without hate, one who will help when there is need.

I have been blessed with so much Divine Love, I have met so many,

many, Great Souls, what a Divine forum this is, is it not?

In passing I am retired but am a very busy person.

 

With Respect and Divine Love,

 

Mike Keenor

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Sureshji, I read your respectful responses to

sadhakas who attempted to answer your question on retirement and

sanyas. My experience tells me that if you have so many reasons to

retire and take sanyas, chances are it will not work for you,

particularly when these reasons are: you don't like situation and/or

behavior of people around you.It sounds like you may be forcing it

upon you(I may be wrong). I am not saying they(spouse/children) are

right in their own rights, but to think " they are wrong and

therefore, you have nothing to do with them " may be the the wrong

thinking as I see it. When one doesn't have any reasons, but only

happiness/love in whatever and wherever one is placed(not where one

places oneself), then, by all means, retirement and sanyas will work

better for one. We generally try to do or undo things to be happy

which, at best, works for short time and we are already looking for

something else to do or undo out of boredom.When we are already

happy and loving, then we do or undo things as if we are playing to

celebrate the life, because we are not looking to get anything which

will make us happy, we just are!I have learnt from life never to

possess another human being be that person your spouse, children,

friends, siblings, parents or whoever. Sometimes we possess by

making someone guilty or self pitying ourselves in front of them or

demands on them, or all such subtle tricks. One's sincerity and

honesty with oneself and above all love for truth will show the next

step. Namaskar

Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadak,Bagavan said, " Loka Sheman Vahamiyam " . Means HE takes

care of the whole creation. So dont worry who will teach your

grandchildren. Your time is running out. Only you have to put your

effort which only will work out. Mostly seekers left homes and

stayed amidst nature to avoid social obligations such as marriages

etc. Even saints living with family were also remained detached and

so they were called excentric.This birth balance time can be

untilised purposefully in Sat Sangh, Bajans, Namasankeethan Etc.

Control all emotions, aviod being slave to toung (taste and talk),

see only God`s statue, walk only to temples, your free time spend in

meditation.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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My respectable Sharma ji,

 

I am a 44 year old Police officer in Delhi Police and for at least

20 years of my life I had been privileged to attend the Satsangas of

Swami Ramsukhdasji alongwith reading of his books (particularly the

book " Geeta Probodhini " , which influenced my life, greatly).

Sharmaji, for the last few years I have also been going through the

same social situations as has been described by you and the same

thoughts also come to my mind. I have tried my best to search for

the so called " serenity under a Banyan Tree " but found it no where.

My dear elder brother, we should not forget that we have some basic

needs in our life to be taken care of, so long as we are (rather we

have to) dragging the loathsome weight of this body and for that

very purpose we need society, which I donot think, is wrong. With

the increase of age, our medical needs also increase, which cannot

be avoided.

 

Now comes the burning question, then " Where to Go " ? My dear

brother, with all my sincerety, honesty and experience ( whaterver I

have gained by the grace of my Gurudev) I very truly and whole-

heartedly request you to please take refuge in ATMA. This is the

only place I have found to be most secluded and Serene. When you

are established in your realself, ATMA and when you have made

Brahmakar Vritti, you will find real great bliss, satisfaction and

the most Serene Place in your life, no matter where you are sitting,

whether in a birthday party or marriage party etc. Sir, as and when

you try to run away from these places, I am sorry to say, you

unknowingly create another bindings of Raga and Dwesha, which simply

add another hurdle in your way to attain real and eternal tranqality

in your life which you can attain even while sitting in your office

or at home.

 

Gaining Brahmakar Vritti is neither easy nor difficult. All it

depends on our sincerity. Try this-- throw away all intelligence

you have gained throughout your life, feel like an innocent child

and surrender yourself to God. Cry and cry desperately for him like

an innocent stubborn child. Feel yourself like Arjuna and listen

Him preeching Geeta. (Geeta Probodhini is best) Believe me, He

will come to your rescue and make the way.

 

If ever in Rishikesh, I can suggest satsang opportunity.

Ram Ram

 

Raj Kumar

 

Dear Sharmaji,

I read with interest your post and reply by friends.You say your

family responsibilities are over. But from what you write about your

son,daughter and wife that you are deeply involved in their views and

way of life though they are adults.Your main problem is trying to

control their way of life to yours and just because they as adults

donot agree with your way of life, you tend to blame them and also

your way of bringing up. You think you failed somewhere. You are

absolutely wrong in your view.Your wife and children have been

magnanimous in not enforcing their view or way of life on you . You

want to go on world tour or Indian tour of theertha places, i am sure

your family will allow it. do that and you will understand what is

GEETHA OR DHARMA.

With kind regards.

captain Johann samuhanand

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

Bhaiyya Sharmaji ! Very good Jee !! Bhabhiji should not eat

Golgappes because you don't like Golgappes !! Excellent Jee! Wahe

Guru! She should become like a " Gandhari " – is it? If children get

happy by birthday gifts, you feel they are becoming greedy !

Superlative Jee !! Why will they learn that as they become happy by

taking, there is someone becoming happy by giving also ? You don't

like what your son is doing ( Cellphone/ TV addiction) , good –

understandable ! But then what is objection to you , if he does not

like your watching News on TV ? Whatever " I LIKE SHOULD HAPPEN " –

Is that what you are suggesting, My Dear Bhaiyya ?? What is wrong

with Bhabhiji and kids if they expect you to behave in accordance

with their wish, particularly when you yourself have same

attitude ?. Hence they are in complete tandem with you !! Bolo

Jee !! Boliye Sir !

 

Your complaint is that Mrs Sharma is a great supporter of Son.

Anything wrong there? Are you not a supporter of your son? Who

doesnot support Sons/Daughters? If she is supporting a wrong

conduct , according to you, then it is her dereliction of duties.

Why you should transfer yourself under a banyan tree? If your

nephews etc do not approve of your Gita ways of living, then you

should take sanyaas? Which way is this Bhaiyyaji? Bolo ! " GITA WAY

OF LIVING " !! Approval of nephews/nieces is necessary for you? They

told you honestly that they are too young. Remember your being at

that age!

 

" Rajasic/Tamasic Creepers " !! These are the words you used for God's

children !! Pray to night before the God and say sorry to God –

don't forget to do that !! On one hand, you have registered your

house in the name of my Bhabhiji ( What a great love and

affection) , on the other hand you cannot even tolerate a sight of

her peacefully taking bites of delicious golgappes- which kind of

SAMATA ( EQUANIMITY) is this? Is not clearly a love / mineness

hidden beneath the outer layer of hate? Former is RAAG as per Gita.

Latter is DVESHA as per Gita ! Under which banyan tree you will find

practical situations like this to become EQUANIMOUS?

 

She is working in a bank. She does not need your Retirement cheque.

OK ! Now don't leave the job. Don't make them happy. Say You are not

retiring, Jee ! BECOME " Viviktadeshasevitvam " ( referred by you)

while remaining at home only. Become also " Asaktaranbhishvangam

putra daar griha dishu " ( Referred in previous sloka of BG 13).

Start accumulating money EXCLUSIVELY FOR YOURSELF AND ONLY FOR

YOURSELF_ for next 4/5 years. Don't even give an air of your current

pay cheques. Talk sweetly ! Try to throw bitterness from your

conduct. Inside your heart, there should not be an anger in you for

them, nor an ego in you as to how they will manage, nor a worry in

you, nor an impetuosity in you to know their reactions. Nor should

there be any outer proclamation of revolutionary conduct by you.

NOTHING in front. Let them ignore you. Let them drive their own

lives. When they demand anything from you, then take a call. There

you should think- CAN I DO AND SHOULD I DO ?

 

Keep in touch Jee !

 

Namaste Jee

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sharmaji Your problem is that you are too good a person but

you are taking care of your family in an obliging manner. Now

that the children have grown up and they have started reflecting

upon in their own way- you still desire an attention by them

towards you. You feel the family should circle around your wishes,

tantrums, and thoughts. Come what may- it will not happen. It is not

correct for you to so expect. Spiritualism arises from within-

Sharmaji ! It can not be inflicted by an injection in the

youngsters. Ladies across the globe are like that only. At least

yours is earning and then eating Pani puri. God may create

circumstances in which instead of pani puri ,the very you get

eaten. There is nothing unusual emanating out of your narration

which can drive you to take sanyaas . Dont give much attention to

them. Concentrate on yourself. All are good. All are of God only.

This world has been made in such a manner that it in the end imparts

sorrow only. Hence dont think of going anywhere merely because your

beloveds are not behaving as you like them to do. It is injustice.

Ignore them. Pay attention to your duties and not to the duties of

others.

 

Regards Bandook Singh

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Hari Om

 

My Dear Sharmaji ! Thanks for honest expressions. You indeed have a

pure heart. But Facts as they appear to me are that ONLY you are at

fault- I seek your forgiveness. That every soul is self

centered /selfish is not something which is a new revelation. That

nobody except Paramatma is you/yours/for you is crystal clear to

you, me and all. PROBLEM WITH ALL OF US IS THAT WE KNOW BUT WE DON'T

ACCEPT TILL WE GET SHOCKS ! We know that this body, world, kith and

kin are not ours but still we complain that they don't listen to

words of wisdom. Now what is special about it? It is so ab initio.

But going under some banyan tree is not the answer to your emotional

confusions and complaints. Bitterness, complaint,

frustration,dejection,helplessness, rejection of present status,

expectations of a better conduct from your beloveds, feeling of self

worthlessness , likings , dislikings, cold anger, desire, all of

them are existing inside you and you only. Will your mind not emit

those emotions under a banyan tree? Will the memories not haunt you

there? Believe me – they will !

 

Now what to do ? Consider if you are so insistent on the following.

1. Don't leave the job 2. Take a small house nearby your existing

house on rent and shift there- all alone.3. Stop spending a penny on

any one except on yourself. 4. If kith and kin come to you, tell

them with folded hands --, " Thanks. Now I shall concentrate on

myself.I have a lot to do for myself. Please don't worry about me. I

shall take care of myself. Please be happy. God Bless you, all " .

Then start your sadhana as a " Bhakti Yogi " . ( My earlier suggestion

was reg Karma Yoga).

 

Start concentrating on " self " . Start eliminating- as Shashikalaji

told you- " Raag " ( Likings) and " Dvesha " ( Dislikings) from your

conduct. Your real enemies are Raag and Dvesha. Try to put "

Equanimity " in your conduct. What is the problem to you if Mrs

Sharma likes " golgappes " ? According to you she should eat only what

you want her to eat – Is it? This is example of Raag/Dvesha ! You

have to conquer this. No you cant make youngsters behave as you want

them to behave. YOU CANNOT ! Can you control your own mind and body?

No !

 

You need a lot to do with your own reference!

 

Believe in what Swamiji says in Sadhak Sanjeevani or Sadhan Sudha

Sindhu. Believe that nothing is yours. Believe that " I am of God

and ONLY God is mine. " Never give up your job – else there is a

danger that you shall lose both ends. " DUVIDHA MAIN DONO GAYE ,

MAYA MILI NA RAAM " ( In dilemma, I lost both. World as well as

God) ! Start implementing Swamiji's teachings. You have reached to

present state of " Vairagya " ( Dispassion) only because you served

in the past your wife and children. SERVICE DESTROYS MINENESS- it is

a principle given for benefit of entire humanity by Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. Live such dozens and dozens of laws/principles

stated by Taat Shree in His books/discourses/messages etc.

Concentrate more on that !!

 

There are other methods also. Keep writing/reading. You are in a

right, divine forum.

 

Your kith and kin shall ignore you only so long as you consider them

to be " yours " . The moment you really believe that they are not

yours, they will become " Godly " for you ! Try this !! All dirt is

there in " mineness " only.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas NB

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Respected All,

 

I am greatful for the guidance.

 

Dear Sadhna Karigar ji, very sensible indeed. My problem is that I am

a total failure or misfit in the society. I do not attend the

marriage parties where lot of noisy filmy songs and DJ dances etc.

make me sick even if I keep safe distance. I do not attend birthday

parties because the children celebrating the birthdays are more

interested in the gifts they get " we the gift-givers turn

them into greedy beings. I do not approve of my only son's obsession

with learning modern filmy dance and his addition to cell phone and

TV (he does not like even my watching the news channel) " I am a

total failure as a father for no fault of mine. I cannot take my

wife for outings because she is fond of eating " golgappe " etc and

above all she is a great supporter of her son's activities basically

completely spoiling him from spiritual point of view and making him

into a socially clever fellow. My daughter is in the job and

interested in getting materialistically rich just like any other

young lady. My nephews and niece do not approve of my Gita's way of

life, they say they are too young for these boring things. No one in

my family circle is interested in Swamiji's literature, but in Shani

Mandir and tantrik puja etc. I have realized to the core of my

heart that I cannot change or influence anyone in my family for their

real betterment. Wife and son are feeling happy at my idea of

premature retirement as they will get a few more lakhs of rupees.

Wife works in a bank. I am not finding fault with anyone, but that

is their " prarabdha " . Should I continue to be in the family to

nourish the " rajsik and tamsik " creepers (though all this

is " vasudevam sarvamiti " )? It would be a pleasure should I

become manure for any " satvik " plant.

 

Gita also teaches - Viviktadeshsevitvam, aratirjansansadi (dwelling

in a secluded place and lack of desire to be in the crowd) supports

my decision to seek sanyas. Though I want to be in the company of

the saints " bodhyantah parasparam " .

 

Dear Prem Khullar ji, while I agree with you fully, and by seeking

retirement and entering into the Sanyas, I am sure I can better

serve God's needy creatures with more freedom and time. I have been

studying and conserving birds and their habitats in Haryana since

1976 ˜sarvabhoot hite ratah " .

 

Dear N K Srinivasan ji, nice suggestion. I want to have regular and

continuous ˜darshanâ " of saints ˜gyan vigyan astikyam "

 

Shashikala bahan, I am a complete failure in family life and will be

a big failure if I persist in my meaningless social efforts. I am

reading the scriptures in general and Sadhak Sanjivani / Sadhak

Sudha Sindhu in particular. Your arguments are faultless, yet I want

to run away from the consumerist society and want to lead a perfect

peaceful natural life under some banyan tree in an ashram. Your

˜bhabhi " is interested in money and will be happy to get my post-

retirement cash and monthly pension; I have already registered the

house in her name. For myself, I do not need much and out of my Rs

15000 plus monthly pension, I just need one fifth of it at the most.

I do not think in this modern society my family members, present

and/or would be, will be interested in a ˜yagyaacharatah karma " Let

them be in their fool's paradise (if I can use the term of Henry

David Thoreau).

 

Dear Mahalaksmi Dasi ji, I appreciate your optimism. But I am a sort

of " sarvaarambh prityagi " .

 

Dear Hari Shanker Deo, I am seeking company of spiritual people and

something within me says " get out of this dirty consumerist social

life " .

 

Dear Vineet Sarvottam ji, Is there some Ashram in Churu also? Yes,

you are right. I recall Kabir's vani ˜rahna nahi, desh begana hai "

 

Dear Vyas ji, I am indeed indebted to you for detailed guidance,

practical and yet spiritual.

 

Still, I am a little confused.

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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Sir,

You must develop faith on our scriptures and establish firm

relationship with Gita itself can give you guidance on where to go,

what to do etc. Me too is 53 by age but I never feel my age because

I am engaged in service. Never worry about future or my past. We

must live in present. We are never free from responsibilities. Our

main duty is to know and serve. The more we know the more we serve.

Offer our service to the Lord while doing and we must leave it. Take

up the next till the Central Government terms end. We never end our

karma till the time of our departure from here. So that do not think

about a retirement from central government job. Still you can get

engaged in Gita service and the service with the Lord if you change

your attitude, not your situation. You have no control over the

situation only control is to develop over your mind.

Love, krishna das.

 

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If at some point in time when you are closer to a decision, you can

help us to help the needy children for their education, health and

mind.

 

Padmanabhan Sundaram

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhak,

Swamiji Ramsukhdasji, never encouraged such things as like taking

early retirement , he never asked anyone to leave the job and take

sanyaas (as far as I understand his teachings.)

yr desire could be called a Satvik desire, but no matter what desire

leads to sufferings. So Swamiji says-donot even desire for

liberation/mukti.

Only desire for God is Worth desiring.Have only one desire-

Krishna/God and He will show you the path to reach Him.

 

Yogusth kuru karmani(Do yr karma while established in Yoga)

Working or retired doesnot obstruct yr path for self

enlightenment.Start yr spiritual journey RIGHT NOW, at this very

moment, wherever you are.Donot make it a future goal.

 

Nasto Vidhyate Bhao, Nabhao vidhyate satah (Gita 2:16)

The unreal has no existence and the real has no cessation...

So nomatter where you are the Real is with you every moment and the

unreal is leaving you every moment.

 

Detachment from the unreal is sanyaas, and knowing the difference

between what is real and what is unreal is Knowledge (Gita Ch 13 &

14)

 

Accepting everything as God's is Bhakti (Vasudev Sarvam)

 

Now tell me to follow any of these paths-karma yoga, gyaan yoga or

bhakti yoga, where do you need to go ?

Nowhere/anywhere/everywhere ?

 

Kasturi Kundal basi mrig dhundhe van mahi---(the aroma is coming out

from deer's own naval but he is running in the forest to find the

source/ Krishna/God is sitting right in our heart, but we are trying

to find Him outside)

 

with lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Suresh Sharma ji,

 

WHERE TO GO ? WHERE CAN YOU GO ? NO WHERE . EVERY THING IS HERE . I

was an air force officer for 22 years. I retired 27 years back . I

am here running a 50 bed charitable hospital and various programs.

READ GITA , FOLLOW IT AND DO NOT BOTHER ABOUT THIS LIFE AND DEATH '

CHAKKAR'. It will be what ever it may be or whatever it has to be .

 

SERVE THE WORLD TO THE HILT - CEASELESSLY ,UNENDLESSLY AND FOR EVER.

LOVE

 

PREM KHULLAR

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Dear Sharmaji,

After retirement,I would suggest that you visit several pilgrim

centres and sacred temples,like a Parivrajika, with a few items with

you.Asmall suitcase and a bag.By such visits, your mind will be

purified and also you will learn more about our poeple ,their forms

of devotion and thier simple,humble ways.The railway tickets are

quite low and you need not sppend much.After say two or three years

of religious wandering or pilgrimages, you can select a place or

ashram or suitable palce to stay...This I learnt after my own

wanderings after the age of sixty.You are much younger and should be

easy for you.You will learn more about Bharat,our motherland after

that.

Regards,

In Shirdi Sai Smaran,

N K Srinivasan

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Jai Hanuman

 

No Bhaiyya Sharmaji. This " more or less over " with reference

to " duties " of marital life is not acceptable. Nor did I like your

last words - " where to go " !!

 

But your gesture/sentiment/approach is laudable- no questions about

the same!

 

WHERE TO GO ? - No where Dear. Remain where ever you are. Start now

a new life with no outer change. Concentrate on removing " Raag " (

Likings) and " Dvesha " (Dislikings) from your mind / intellect/

thoughts /psyche /person ! They are roots of your worldly stays of

past, present and future!

Read Scriptures/ Swamiji in spare time. Think about the soul, your

role in this Divine Lila !

 

By the way who are you to decide whether you should work or not? Did

you check up with Bhabhiji ( Mrs Sharma) ? Do as she says. No

arguments on this.

 

Have you planned adequately for your old age ? Who will instil God

in grand children? Who will guide them to righteousness? Who will

create cultural base for them and for the family ? Who will set

examples of selfless conduct? Who will make them better humans? Only

grand parents can do that- not the parents!

 

No Running away Bhaiyya! Stay put !! There are lot of things to do !

We will discuss if you actively participate !

 

Ever thought what should be your goal for balance life? It should

be " O God- I should not be coming back again in this world in any

type of body- unless you sponsor me as your representative for your

work. I should be free forever from this circle of birth and death " .

Think on these lines. Get rid of all worldly

attachments/connections/mineness by continuously and selflessly

serving all people around you with all the things you have - without

expecting anything from them in return In dreams even do not

visualise a situation where you get dependent over any worldly

body/thing. You get retired without actually retiring merely by

relinquishing dependence over the same ! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !!

 

Get free! Feel free ! Dream Free ! Seek freedom ! Remaining where

ever you are ! There is no need to go anywhere ! Make your home

itself a temple. Love all . See God in all. Don't establish

any " new " connection/relationship/attachment with any body/thing-

for getting anything worldly out of them. Concentrate on self and on

conscience.

 

KABIRA KHADA BAJAAR MAIN SABKI MAANGE KHAIR !

 

NA KAHOO SE DOSTI NA KAHOO SE VAIR !!

 

Says Saint Kabir - I am standing in this market (worldly life)

wishing good for all and sundry. I have neither any friends (

likings- Raag) nor any enemies (dislikings- Dvesha) !

 

That is real sanyaas ! My Dear Brother ! That is real retirement !

Not leaving or not leaving the Government Service !!

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

 

 

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My dandavat pranams to all in this fourm......responsibilities have

kept me so busy that I have neglected this beautiful forum, sadly.

In regard to this sacred question....what to do when one is

encountering the need to absorb oneself in spiritual practices for

oneself and others. I know that this is not exactly how the

question was worded, but truly, it is what I heard....because you

have come to the point of saying, " Where do I go from here " .....

indeed, age is not truly the criterion for one being ready to absorb

oneself in full devotion.....it is a point where one finally

accepts, " I have no business in this world save and except to live

for bhajan, for glorifying the lord, for providing knowledge of Gita

to others. "

 

I have accepted Los Angeles as my place to execute this

activity.....it is where the Lord has put me. Pray for guidance,

and it will come....Los Angeles has many, many groups of sadhaks, as

well as a very high level of vegetarian communities, vegan, raw,

east Indian, etc......and there are so so many people to give some

time and energy to as far as speaking on Bhagavat dharma. But than,

almost any city in the world these days, is needing Hari Katha to

purify the atmosphere.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

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Stay where you are. Seek a genuine Guru/Guru within. He will lead

you towards the right path. Meditate and seek the company of

spiritual people.

Hari Shanker Deo

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Shri Sureshji, This is the same question that I had asked Swamiji

fourteen years back, while considering retirement - (should I go to

Rushikul, or Churu, or Rishikesh, or Gorakhpur), then his reply is

something that is useful to you - " Brother, wherever you are, remain

there as is, always " longing and desiring " , then your work will be

done. Because that Paramatma which you think about attaining in

Gorakhpur, or Rishikesh etc. that very same Paramatma wholly and

entirely is at this very moment close to you, now and at all

times. What more, you yourself are wise and patient, but when it

comes to relationship with Paramatma, the impatience (that intense

longing) works ! Very well!

 

Vineet Sarvottam

 

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Hari Om

 

Dear Shri Sharmaji

 

At the outset welcome! Great things in life don't wait for any

retirement. No outside activity can accelerate your turning towards

the ultimate. If your family has slightest of the need for your

continuing doing the Govt Job - Please unhesitantly continue doing

that. Swamiji always advocated " 24 x 7 " work. Consider after having

fulfilled your responsibilities at this age of 53 ( I am also 53 and

have done all that is necessary for my family responsibilities,

married both daughters, a son and another son is ready for marriage,

all well settled- only difference is I am employed in private

sector) as to whether whatever you earn honourably and justfully out

of your employment- you should use them for welfare and benefit of

1. Those for whom you still have mineness/attachment (including your

body)- with a special sentiment always awakened in you inside that "

they are not you/yours/for you " 2 Those for whom you have no

mineness/attachment.

 

That is one way you can plan. Check up with your better half if she

wants you to continue working. If she says even " may be " or " as you

think fit " - work! Work so that you may never seek economic

dependence upon anyone for rest of your life. Work so that you may

be of help to category 2 people ( stated in preceding paragraph)!

Work in government without accepting anything extra. Live there like

a lotus in water. You can. You should. Work so that you may see God

whereever you get engaged in.

 

Ensure that today you don't need anybody for anything pertaining to

your balance stay in this world. If you feel some are dependent upon

you( say wife)- serve them with double intensity and speed.

 

But keep a thought burning inside you - " I am of God, Only God is

mine, nothing else is mine " . Don't expect anything from anybody-

even from God. Keep utilising whatever you have for benefit and

welfare of whoever comes in touch with you - if you can and if you

should.

 

All extra time in your life should be utilised in reading Swamiji's

books, Gita, Ramayana, listening to Swamiji's pravachans, singing

bhajans, doing keertans and remaining in good company always.

 

This is one way. Another totally different way - next time.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

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Great idea!!!!!

I have been doing the same because I have also been influenced very

deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. We might be able to do share some

thoughts on some projects

 

Satya Kalra

 

 

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Respected Vyasji and others,

 

I am 53 and may seek premature retirement from my central govt

service. Married and family responsibilities are more or less over.

 

I want to spend my post-retirement life in the company of Gita

scholars/students/lovers. I have been influenced deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj.

 

Can you kindly guide me where to go?

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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NEW POSTING

 

Hare Krishna

 

As I understand, Sanyaas should be taken only when one is completely

detached (teevra vairagya). In some cases such a soul does not

renounce world, in fact the world renounces him. Example of

Shukdevji fits the bill, whereas in case of Arjuna and Janaka etc

even after realization they did not take sanyaas. A sadhak should

make his spiritual practice in accordance with the situation he is

in. If solitude becomes must for sadhak's spiritual progress then

God will change his situation where he can do his sadhan alone.

 

Sadhak's duty is only to serve others and not to find anyone's

fault. If anyone's fault is visible then rather than hating him,

sadhak should pity him and pray to God for his welfare. The biggest

point in serving is to fulfill other's ethical wishes. He should not

force his spiritual views on worldly people, because it will prove

counter-productive. Swamiji gave discourses only to serve humanity.

He never sported attitude of " I can improve others. I am more

knowledgeable than others etc " . Whatever Swamiji gave He gave only

with the intention to serve. We should also carry the same sentiment.

 

Hare Krishna,

 

Varun P. Paprunia

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Jai Hanuman

 

 

 

Yeah ! It is Marcus Brutus " Dear Julius Ceaser !! Dear Bhaiyya !

Hope you didn't mind my arrow like response. We at GT Group are like

a family. I keep on taking such liberties. Bad habit according to my

Hubby. In fact, I had to go through a snub from my Hubby but then I

wrote what indeed I felt right. Welcome to this family. Please keep

writing and contributing. You are now a part of really selfless and

divine forum. Please keep sharing your views. In fact " Et tu Brutus "

I should also say because of your humble and genuine approach and

your capacity to appreciate such brutal attack. Hats Off to you. May

Lord Krishna be always with you. Indeed you have a heart made of

Gold. This world is sustained on the strength of people like you.

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

 

Shashikala

 

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Dear Sir,

 

Since you are still young at 53, you should devote some more years

in doing your karma by doing social work of your liking and to the

uplift of down trodden and poor people.

 

Best regards,

Sivaraman.V

 

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Jai Hanuman

 

We as humans have to face this peculiar creation made by God as an

acid test.This world is simply an examination hall for each and

every human being. Here is the world which like greggary(sweet) or

salt from which ever side or way you " consume " it is sorrowful.

(DUKHALAYAM) Biggest treachery comes from the closest people. There

is no way a permanent element can derive pleasure out of temporary

element. Now what is our role? How to go about it? How to conquer?

How to pass with distinction marks from this examination?

 

Art of Living in this world as taught by Swamiji is simple. Don't

try to change the circumstances. Change yourself. Don't judge

others. Judge yourself. Problem is that generally we judge others

and pardon ourselves. It should be reverse. Once you concentrate on

your duties and others' rights - you are on right path. But ego does

not often let us do that. We often end up talking about our rights

and others' duties. How wife should behave, how children should

behave etc etc. What we don't pay attention to is that " talking "

doesnot help. Conduct or silent example setting before the kids

helps.If you want some one to live as per Gita- the best way is to

live yourself as per Gita. At the appropriate hour the vibrations

will be caught by the children. Any hurry or insistence invariably

gets counter productive. You have no capacity to mould others as per

your wishes. That you can't do. You have capacity to mould yourself

as per wishes of others. That you can do. Where is the wisdom in

attempting what we can't do and ignoring what we can do !

 

I oppose bitterly this " mind " only because it always suggests what

we can't do. From the perspective of mind it is natural because it

exists in " nothingness " only- past/future! But from ever

existing " self " point of view- it proves fatal. Hence scriptures ask

you to drop reliance on mind.

 

Once we are on right path- what is my duty - the result in due

course is miraculous and unbelievable !!

 

What is the result ? Result is that " dukhalayam " gets converted

practically into " God " Himself (Vasudevah Sarvam) ! Once you don't

desire anything from anyone - then that anyone becomes God -as far

as you are concerned. This is something which sounds extra ordinary

but my experience has taught me that it is true.

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sadhak

Dear Suresh Sharma

I feel while remaining with the family, you can still have God

realisation by having detached view, Sakshi bhav, surrendering

fruits of all actions to God, leaving Karta Bhav and of course

meditation and Bhakti to wards Supreme God what so ever name you

call him

Thanks

 

 

G K Agrawal

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Hare Krsna

 

Respected Suresh ji

 

I have been following your mail and the replies. I fully understand

you confusion. Please don't lose your faith in Sri Krishna. Give

your thought or desire some time. If your faith and devotion is

strong and it doesn't deplete with time and surroundings and

circumstances Sri Krishna will show you some way out. In the

meantime completely surrender to Sri Krishna. He will take care of

your problem.As Sri Krishna states in the BG 9:22 " Ananyas

cintayanto maam ye.....yoga-ksemam vahamy aham "

 

Hare Krsna

" srivally k "

 

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Hari Om

 

Sharmaji ! Did you observe what Mike told ? " I don't judge " ! How

can you judge creation made by our Great Father ? After all we are

His children only - nothing more! Consider the " certainty " flowing

out of Mike's expression and experience! I told you before that you

are " pure " (open) hearted person ! This is how spiritual

reconciliations take place- notwithstanding

culture/caste/colour/country/civilisation etc !!! That is where Holy

Gitaji and Saints like Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj shine like Polar

Star!

 

" My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this! "

 

That is real " advice " ! That is what is " warranted " !! You can't

be " Judge " in this world made by Paramatma !! That is " Satsanga " !

That is " nectar " ! That is " Divine " ! This is " Mantra " ! This

is " guidance " ! Believe me on that ! ( I am taking this liberty of

asking you to " believe me " because you addressed the Question to me,

too )

 

That propels you to shed your " ego " ,your " intellect " ,

your 'mind, " .your " " mamata " (mineness) , your " likings " ( Raag) and

your " dislikings " (Dvesha) !.That requires you to get rid of

your " antahkarana " - by not acknowledging the same to be " yours " !

 

That makes you subdued too. That also makes you a child. That is

reality. That is " SAT " within the meaning of Gitaji.

 

That is " viveka " (Conscience), my Dear Sharmaji !

 

This is " Geeta Talk Group " ! Most certainly this is " Humanity " !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Dear Sharmaji,

 

I don't see why you have to go any where.

If you are comfortable in the place you have lived all these years,

just stay there. If not, just find a surrounding you are comfortable

with.

You already love Gita Ji and also have been deeply influenced by

the books of a particular Swami. You have Internet, pretty much

wherever you are. Just translate sections of the book you like

to English. If it is already in English, re-write in your words.

Share your insight with others, who may be interested.

That is one way to spread your learning among others who may not

have thought of such things, but not averse to it.

Even if you can spread it to one other individual, that is plenty.

You can also share on the Internet. Start a blog site to

post your insights.You are all ready in parama-satsangh.

Joyfully participate in life- you can only do it, when you have

internally withdrawn.

 

 

Enjoy

 

KST

Koti Sreekrishna

 

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Dear Suresh Sharmaji, Let us follow the Lord in doing good karma and

you can think of joining us . --Prem

 

 

Prem Kumar Khullar

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Dear Shashikala bahan,

 

Et tu Brutus.

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Dear Sadhna Karigar ji,

 

Much help indeed.

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Dear Mike,

 

Your affection has wrapped me from all sides. (Manas : ab mohi bha

bharos

Hanumanta / Binu harikripa milahi nahi santa - Now, I am convinced

Hanuman that

without God’s grace, we cannot even meet the saints)

__________________

 

Dear Pratap Bhatt ji,

 

Your words have opened my eyes, and they make me sad also, though I

know the

truth of ‘shubhashubh prityagi’

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Dear Baiya Sathyanarayan,

 

Your words are like torch to me. I can now see the path more clearly.

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Dear Raj Kumar ji,

 

You make my heart weep and my eyes damp, out of sheer happiness.

This forum has

really helped me. Krishna’s grace †" unbounded and all around.

________________________

 

Dear Capt Johann Samuhanand,

 

Much grateful for the kind words and guidance, easy to practise.

 

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Dear Bandook Singh ji,

 

I will continue my duties towards all †" vasudhaiv kutumbkam.

 

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Dear Vyas ji,

 

Bura jo dekhan mai gaya, bura na milya koi

Jo ghat dekha aapna, mujhse bura no koi.

 

Once again thank you all for your valuable guidance and making me

see the light in right perspective. I will continue my job and

remain with the family - reading scriptures, attending satsang,

meeting saints and leading a life in a yagyamaya manner.

 

Kindest regards,

Suresh C Sharma

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Dear Sadhak,

The situations you just described are excellent circumstances for

God realization-

1. Free from reponsibilies

2. Free from worldly attachments

3. Considering yr self total failure means no dependency on yr own

strength

 

So instead of putting yr self in Golden Cage(due to attachment to

satvik guna) you should completely surrender yr self to God and be

free(jeevanmukta)

In my opinion you should insist on Paramatma Prapti(God realization)

not on ritualistic sanyaas or good company etc.Do satsang,go and

spend time in ashram, live with realized souls, but always look

inside, and know that I am God's and only God is mine. Knowledge,

devotion and liberation all will come with this knowing only.

 

With lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Sureshji,

 

Your predicament was summed up so well by a comment made by Jeshua

the

Nazarene, " a prophet is not without honor except in his own country

and in his own house " . I just recently made a comment on send to

entire group at another time)

Your country is the World of the Spirit, I have gone through the very

things you have gone through believe you me, I too live in the World

of the Spirit, we dwell in the same land, not Geographically you

understand.

Did not Sri Ramakrishna Paramahams, say God is closer than your skin,

if the good Swami was correct, you do not have to go anywhere to find

'The Beloved', I sure you know 'He' dwells in your heart.

It took me years to come to terms with things like Christmas, I

saw/see it as a time of gluttony and excess, built on a fable,

borrowing from the Pagans,(no disrespect to the Pagans intended).

I had to detach or go mad, but also honor the good things that happen

,like decent organizations that give the poor and destitute a decent

feed at that time, and we by presents that can be distributed to the

poor.

My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this!

Of course the family know me as an oddball, but also they know me as

one without hate, one who will help when there is need.

I have been blessed with so much Divine Love, I have met so many,

many, Great Souls, what a Divine forum this is, is it not?

In passing I am retired but am a very busy person.

 

With Respect and Divine Love,

 

Mike Keenor

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Sureshji, I read your respectful responses to

sadhakas who attempted to answer your question on retirement and

sanyas. My experience tells me that if you have so many reasons to

retire and take sanyas, chances are it will not work for you,

particularly when these reasons are: you don't like situation and/or

behavior of people around you.It sounds like you may be forcing it

upon you(I may be wrong). I am not saying they(spouse/children) are

right in their own rights, but to think " they are wrong and

therefore, you have nothing to do with them " may be the the wrong

thinking as I see it. When one doesn't have any reasons, but only

happiness/love in whatever and wherever one is placed(not where one

places oneself), then, by all means, retirement and sanyas will work

better for one. We generally try to do or undo things to be happy

which, at best, works for short time and we are already looking for

something else to do or undo out of boredom.When we are already

happy and loving, then we do or undo things as if we are playing to

celebrate the life, because we are not looking to get anything which

will make us happy, we just are!I have learnt from life never to

possess another human being be that person your spouse, children,

friends, siblings, parents or whoever. Sometimes we possess by

making someone guilty or self pitying ourselves in front of them or

demands on them, or all such subtle tricks. One's sincerity and

honesty with oneself and above all love for truth will show the next

step. Namaskar

Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadak,Bagavan said, " Loka Sheman Vahamiyam " . Means HE takes

care of the whole creation. So dont worry who will teach your

grandchildren. Your time is running out. Only you have to put your

effort which only will work out. Mostly seekers left homes and

stayed amidst nature to avoid social obligations such as marriages

etc. Even saints living with family were also remained detached and

so they were called excentric.This birth balance time can be

untilised purposefully in Sat Sangh, Bajans, Namasankeethan Etc.

Control all emotions, aviod being slave to toung (taste and talk),

see only God`s statue, walk only to temples, your free time spend in

meditation.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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My respectable Sharma ji,

 

I am a 44 year old Police officer in Delhi Police and for at least

20 years of my life I had been privileged to attend the Satsangas of

Swami Ramsukhdasji alongwith reading of his books (particularly the

book " Geeta Probodhini " , which influenced my life, greatly).

Sharmaji, for the last few years I have also been going through the

same social situations as has been described by you and the same

thoughts also come to my mind. I have tried my best to search for

the so called " serenity under a Banyan Tree " but found it no where.

My dear elder brother, we should not forget that we have some basic

needs in our life to be taken care of, so long as we are (rather we

have to) dragging the loathsome weight of this body and for that

very purpose we need society, which I donot think, is wrong. With

the increase of age, our medical needs also increase, which cannot

be avoided.

 

Now comes the burning question, then " Where to Go " ? My dear

brother, with all my sincerety, honesty and experience ( whaterver I

have gained by the grace of my Gurudev) I very truly and whole-

heartedly request you to please take refuge in ATMA. This is the

only place I have found to be most secluded and Serene. When you

are established in your realself, ATMA and when you have made

Brahmakar Vritti, you will find real great bliss, satisfaction and

the most Serene Place in your life, no matter where you are sitting,

whether in a birthday party or marriage party etc. Sir, as and when

you try to run away from these places, I am sorry to say, you

unknowingly create another bindings of Raga and Dwesha, which simply

add another hurdle in your way to attain real and eternal tranqality

in your life which you can attain even while sitting in your office

or at home.

 

Gaining Brahmakar Vritti is neither easy nor difficult. All it

depends on our sincerity. Try this-- throw away all intelligence

you have gained throughout your life, feel like an innocent child

and surrender yourself to God. Cry and cry desperately for him like

an innocent stubborn child. Feel yourself like Arjuna and listen

Him preeching Geeta. (Geeta Probodhini is best) Believe me, He

will come to your rescue and make the way.

 

If ever in Rishikesh, I can suggest satsang opportunity.

Ram Ram

 

Raj Kumar

 

Dear Sharmaji,

I read with interest your post and reply by friends.You say your

family responsibilities are over. But from what you write about your

son,daughter and wife that you are deeply involved in their views and

way of life though they are adults.Your main problem is trying to

control their way of life to yours and just because they as adults

donot agree with your way of life, you tend to blame them and also

your way of bringing up. You think you failed somewhere. You are

absolutely wrong in your view.Your wife and children have been

magnanimous in not enforcing their view or way of life on you . You

want to go on world tour or Indian tour of theertha places, i am sure

your family will allow it. do that and you will understand what is

GEETHA OR DHARMA.

With kind regards.

captain Johann samuhanand

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

Bhaiyya Sharmaji ! Very good Jee !! Bhabhiji should not eat

Golgappes because you don't like Golgappes !! Excellent Jee! Wahe

Guru! She should become like a " Gandhari " – is it? If children get

happy by birthday gifts, you feel they are becoming greedy !

Superlative Jee !! Why will they learn that as they become happy by

taking, there is someone becoming happy by giving also ? You don't

like what your son is doing ( Cellphone/ TV addiction) , good –

understandable ! But then what is objection to you , if he does not

like your watching News on TV ? Whatever " I LIKE SHOULD HAPPEN " –

Is that what you are suggesting, My Dear Bhaiyya ?? What is wrong

with Bhabhiji and kids if they expect you to behave in accordance

with their wish, particularly when you yourself have same

attitude ?. Hence they are in complete tandem with you !! Bolo

Jee !! Boliye Sir !

 

Your complaint is that Mrs Sharma is a great supporter of Son.

Anything wrong there? Are you not a supporter of your son? Who

doesnot support Sons/Daughters? If she is supporting a wrong

conduct , according to you, then it is her dereliction of duties.

Why you should transfer yourself under a banyan tree? If your

nephews etc do not approve of your Gita ways of living, then you

should take sanyaas? Which way is this Bhaiyyaji? Bolo ! " GITA WAY

OF LIVING " !! Approval of nephews/nieces is necessary for you? They

told you honestly that they are too young. Remember your being at

that age!

 

" Rajasic/Tamasic Creepers " !! These are the words you used for God's

children !! Pray to night before the God and say sorry to God –

don't forget to do that !! On one hand, you have registered your

house in the name of my Bhabhiji ( What a great love and

affection) , on the other hand you cannot even tolerate a sight of

her peacefully taking bites of delicious golgappes- which kind of

SAMATA ( EQUANIMITY) is this? Is not clearly a love / mineness

hidden beneath the outer layer of hate? Former is RAAG as per Gita.

Latter is DVESHA as per Gita ! Under which banyan tree you will find

practical situations like this to become EQUANIMOUS?

 

She is working in a bank. She does not need your Retirement cheque.

OK ! Now don't leave the job. Don't make them happy. Say You are not

retiring, Jee ! BECOME " Viviktadeshasevitvam " ( referred by you)

while remaining at home only. Become also " Asaktaranbhishvangam

putra daar griha dishu " ( Referred in previous sloka of BG 13).

Start accumulating money EXCLUSIVELY FOR YOURSELF AND ONLY FOR

YOURSELF_ for next 4/5 years. Don't even give an air of your current

pay cheques. Talk sweetly ! Try to throw bitterness from your

conduct. Inside your heart, there should not be an anger in you for

them, nor an ego in you as to how they will manage, nor a worry in

you, nor an impetuosity in you to know their reactions. Nor should

there be any outer proclamation of revolutionary conduct by you.

NOTHING in front. Let them ignore you. Let them drive their own

lives. When they demand anything from you, then take a call. There

you should think- CAN I DO AND SHOULD I DO ?

 

Keep in touch Jee !

 

Namaste Jee

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sharmaji Your problem is that you are too good a person but

you are taking care of your family in an obliging manner. Now

that the children have grown up and they have started reflecting

upon in their own way- you still desire an attention by them

towards you. You feel the family should circle around your wishes,

tantrums, and thoughts. Come what may- it will not happen. It is not

correct for you to so expect. Spiritualism arises from within-

Sharmaji ! It can not be inflicted by an injection in the

youngsters. Ladies across the globe are like that only. At least

yours is earning and then eating Pani puri. God may create

circumstances in which instead of pani puri ,the very you get

eaten. There is nothing unusual emanating out of your narration

which can drive you to take sanyaas . Dont give much attention to

them. Concentrate on yourself. All are good. All are of God only.

This world has been made in such a manner that it in the end imparts

sorrow only. Hence dont think of going anywhere merely because your

beloveds are not behaving as you like them to do. It is injustice.

Ignore them. Pay attention to your duties and not to the duties of

others.

 

Regards Bandook Singh

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Hari Om

 

My Dear Sharmaji ! Thanks for honest expressions. You indeed have a

pure heart. But Facts as they appear to me are that ONLY you are at

fault- I seek your forgiveness. That every soul is self

centered /selfish is not something which is a new revelation. That

nobody except Paramatma is you/yours/for you is crystal clear to

you, me and all. PROBLEM WITH ALL OF US IS THAT WE KNOW BUT WE DON'T

ACCEPT TILL WE GET SHOCKS ! We know that this body, world, kith and

kin are not ours but still we complain that they don't listen to

words of wisdom. Now what is special about it? It is so ab initio.

But going under some banyan tree is not the answer to your emotional

confusions and complaints. Bitterness, complaint,

frustration,dejection,helplessness, rejection of present status,

expectations of a better conduct from your beloveds, feeling of self

worthlessness , likings , dislikings, cold anger, desire, all of

them are existing inside you and you only. Will your mind not emit

those emotions under a banyan tree? Will the memories not haunt you

there? Believe me – they will !

 

Now what to do ? Consider if you are so insistent on the following.

1. Don't leave the job 2. Take a small house nearby your existing

house on rent and shift there- all alone.3. Stop spending a penny on

any one except on yourself. 4. If kith and kin come to you, tell

them with folded hands --, " Thanks. Now I shall concentrate on

myself.I have a lot to do for myself. Please don't worry about me. I

shall take care of myself. Please be happy. God Bless you, all " .

Then start your sadhana as a " Bhakti Yogi " . ( My earlier suggestion

was reg Karma Yoga).

 

Start concentrating on " self " . Start eliminating- as Shashikalaji

told you- " Raag " ( Likings) and " Dvesha " ( Dislikings) from your

conduct. Your real enemies are Raag and Dvesha. Try to put "

Equanimity " in your conduct. What is the problem to you if Mrs

Sharma likes " golgappes " ? According to you she should eat only what

you want her to eat – Is it? This is example of Raag/Dvesha ! You

have to conquer this. No you cant make youngsters behave as you want

them to behave. YOU CANNOT ! Can you control your own mind and body?

No !

 

You need a lot to do with your own reference!

 

Believe in what Swamiji says in Sadhak Sanjeevani or Sadhan Sudha

Sindhu. Believe that nothing is yours. Believe that " I am of God

and ONLY God is mine. " Never give up your job – else there is a

danger that you shall lose both ends. " DUVIDHA MAIN DONO GAYE ,

MAYA MILI NA RAAM " ( In dilemma, I lost both. World as well as

God) ! Start implementing Swamiji's teachings. You have reached to

present state of " Vairagya " ( Dispassion) only because you served

in the past your wife and children. SERVICE DESTROYS MINENESS- it is

a principle given for benefit of entire humanity by Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. Live such dozens and dozens of laws/principles

stated by Taat Shree in His books/discourses/messages etc.

Concentrate more on that !!

 

There are other methods also. Keep writing/reading. You are in a

right, divine forum.

 

Your kith and kin shall ignore you only so long as you consider them

to be " yours " . The moment you really believe that they are not

yours, they will become " Godly " for you ! Try this !! All dirt is

there in " mineness " only.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas NB

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Respected All,

 

I am greatful for the guidance.

 

Dear Sadhna Karigar ji, very sensible indeed. My problem is that I am

a total failure or misfit in the society. I do not attend the

marriage parties where lot of noisy filmy songs and DJ dances etc.

make me sick even if I keep safe distance. I do not attend birthday

parties because the children celebrating the birthdays are more

interested in the gifts they get " we the gift-givers turn

them into greedy beings. I do not approve of my only son's obsession

with learning modern filmy dance and his addition to cell phone and

TV (he does not like even my watching the news channel) " I am a

total failure as a father for no fault of mine. I cannot take my

wife for outings because she is fond of eating " golgappe " etc and

above all she is a great supporter of her son's activities basically

completely spoiling him from spiritual point of view and making him

into a socially clever fellow. My daughter is in the job and

interested in getting materialistically rich just like any other

young lady. My nephews and niece do not approve of my Gita's way of

life, they say they are too young for these boring things. No one in

my family circle is interested in Swamiji's literature, but in Shani

Mandir and tantrik puja etc. I have realized to the core of my

heart that I cannot change or influence anyone in my family for their

real betterment. Wife and son are feeling happy at my idea of

premature retirement as they will get a few more lakhs of rupees.

Wife works in a bank. I am not finding fault with anyone, but that

is their " prarabdha " . Should I continue to be in the family to

nourish the " rajsik and tamsik " creepers (though all this

is " vasudevam sarvamiti " )? It would be a pleasure should I

become manure for any " satvik " plant.

 

Gita also teaches - Viviktadeshsevitvam, aratirjansansadi (dwelling

in a secluded place and lack of desire to be in the crowd) supports

my decision to seek sanyas. Though I want to be in the company of

the saints " bodhyantah parasparam " .

 

Dear Prem Khullar ji, while I agree with you fully, and by seeking

retirement and entering into the Sanyas, I am sure I can better

serve God's needy creatures with more freedom and time. I have been

studying and conserving birds and their habitats in Haryana since

1976 ˜sarvabhoot hite ratah " .

 

Dear N K Srinivasan ji, nice suggestion. I want to have regular and

continuous ˜darshanâ " of saints ˜gyan vigyan astikyam "

 

Shashikala bahan, I am a complete failure in family life and will be

a big failure if I persist in my meaningless social efforts. I am

reading the scriptures in general and Sadhak Sanjivani / Sadhak

Sudha Sindhu in particular. Your arguments are faultless, yet I want

to run away from the consumerist society and want to lead a perfect

peaceful natural life under some banyan tree in an ashram. Your

˜bhabhi " is interested in money and will be happy to get my post-

retirement cash and monthly pension; I have already registered the

house in her name. For myself, I do not need much and out of my Rs

15000 plus monthly pension, I just need one fifth of it at the most.

I do not think in this modern society my family members, present

and/or would be, will be interested in a ˜yagyaacharatah karma " Let

them be in their fool's paradise (if I can use the term of Henry

David Thoreau).

 

Dear Mahalaksmi Dasi ji, I appreciate your optimism. But I am a sort

of " sarvaarambh prityagi " .

 

Dear Hari Shanker Deo, I am seeking company of spiritual people and

something within me says " get out of this dirty consumerist social

life " .

 

Dear Vineet Sarvottam ji, Is there some Ashram in Churu also? Yes,

you are right. I recall Kabir's vani ˜rahna nahi, desh begana hai "

 

Dear Vyas ji, I am indeed indebted to you for detailed guidance,

practical and yet spiritual.

 

Still, I am a little confused.

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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Sir,

You must develop faith on our scriptures and establish firm

relationship with Gita itself can give you guidance on where to go,

what to do etc. Me too is 53 by age but I never feel my age because

I am engaged in service. Never worry about future or my past. We

must live in present. We are never free from responsibilities. Our

main duty is to know and serve. The more we know the more we serve.

Offer our service to the Lord while doing and we must leave it. Take

up the next till the Central Government terms end. We never end our

karma till the time of our departure from here. So that do not think

about a retirement from central government job. Still you can get

engaged in Gita service and the service with the Lord if you change

your attitude, not your situation. You have no control over the

situation only control is to develop over your mind.

Love, krishna das.

 

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If at some point in time when you are closer to a decision, you can

help us to help the needy children for their education, health and

mind.

 

Padmanabhan Sundaram

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhak,

Swamiji Ramsukhdasji, never encouraged such things as like taking

early retirement , he never asked anyone to leave the job and take

sanyaas (as far as I understand his teachings.)

yr desire could be called a Satvik desire, but no matter what desire

leads to sufferings. So Swamiji says-donot even desire for

liberation/mukti.

Only desire for God is Worth desiring.Have only one desire-

Krishna/God and He will show you the path to reach Him.

 

Yogusth kuru karmani(Do yr karma while established in Yoga)

Working or retired doesnot obstruct yr path for self

enlightenment.Start yr spiritual journey RIGHT NOW, at this very

moment, wherever you are.Donot make it a future goal.

 

Nasto Vidhyate Bhao, Nabhao vidhyate satah (Gita 2:16)

The unreal has no existence and the real has no cessation...

So nomatter where you are the Real is with you every moment and the

unreal is leaving you every moment.

 

Detachment from the unreal is sanyaas, and knowing the difference

between what is real and what is unreal is Knowledge (Gita Ch 13 &

14)

 

Accepting everything as God's is Bhakti (Vasudev Sarvam)

 

Now tell me to follow any of these paths-karma yoga, gyaan yoga or

bhakti yoga, where do you need to go ?

Nowhere/anywhere/everywhere ?

 

Kasturi Kundal basi mrig dhundhe van mahi---(the aroma is coming out

from deer's own naval but he is running in the forest to find the

source/ Krishna/God is sitting right in our heart, but we are trying

to find Him outside)

 

with lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Suresh Sharma ji,

 

WHERE TO GO ? WHERE CAN YOU GO ? NO WHERE . EVERY THING IS HERE . I

was an air force officer for 22 years. I retired 27 years back . I

am here running a 50 bed charitable hospital and various programs.

READ GITA , FOLLOW IT AND DO NOT BOTHER ABOUT THIS LIFE AND DEATH '

CHAKKAR'. It will be what ever it may be or whatever it has to be .

 

SERVE THE WORLD TO THE HILT - CEASELESSLY ,UNENDLESSLY AND FOR EVER.

LOVE

 

PREM KHULLAR

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Dear Sharmaji,

After retirement,I would suggest that you visit several pilgrim

centres and sacred temples,like a Parivrajika, with a few items with

you.Asmall suitcase and a bag.By such visits, your mind will be

purified and also you will learn more about our poeple ,their forms

of devotion and thier simple,humble ways.The railway tickets are

quite low and you need not sppend much.After say two or three years

of religious wandering or pilgrimages, you can select a place or

ashram or suitable palce to stay...This I learnt after my own

wanderings after the age of sixty.You are much younger and should be

easy for you.You will learn more about Bharat,our motherland after

that.

Regards,

In Shirdi Sai Smaran,

N K Srinivasan

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Jai Hanuman

 

No Bhaiyya Sharmaji. This " more or less over " with reference

to " duties " of marital life is not acceptable. Nor did I like your

last words - " where to go " !!

 

But your gesture/sentiment/approach is laudable- no questions about

the same!

 

WHERE TO GO ? - No where Dear. Remain where ever you are. Start now

a new life with no outer change. Concentrate on removing " Raag " (

Likings) and " Dvesha " (Dislikings) from your mind / intellect/

thoughts /psyche /person ! They are roots of your worldly stays of

past, present and future!

Read Scriptures/ Swamiji in spare time. Think about the soul, your

role in this Divine Lila !

 

By the way who are you to decide whether you should work or not? Did

you check up with Bhabhiji ( Mrs Sharma) ? Do as she says. No

arguments on this.

 

Have you planned adequately for your old age ? Who will instil God

in grand children? Who will guide them to righteousness? Who will

create cultural base for them and for the family ? Who will set

examples of selfless conduct? Who will make them better humans? Only

grand parents can do that- not the parents!

 

No Running away Bhaiyya! Stay put !! There are lot of things to do !

We will discuss if you actively participate !

 

Ever thought what should be your goal for balance life? It should

be " O God- I should not be coming back again in this world in any

type of body- unless you sponsor me as your representative for your

work. I should be free forever from this circle of birth and death " .

Think on these lines. Get rid of all worldly

attachments/connections/mineness by continuously and selflessly

serving all people around you with all the things you have - without

expecting anything from them in return In dreams even do not

visualise a situation where you get dependent over any worldly

body/thing. You get retired without actually retiring merely by

relinquishing dependence over the same ! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !!

 

Get free! Feel free ! Dream Free ! Seek freedom ! Remaining where

ever you are ! There is no need to go anywhere ! Make your home

itself a temple. Love all . See God in all. Don't establish

any " new " connection/relationship/attachment with any body/thing-

for getting anything worldly out of them. Concentrate on self and on

conscience.

 

KABIRA KHADA BAJAAR MAIN SABKI MAANGE KHAIR !

 

NA KAHOO SE DOSTI NA KAHOO SE VAIR !!

 

Says Saint Kabir - I am standing in this market (worldly life)

wishing good for all and sundry. I have neither any friends (

likings- Raag) nor any enemies (dislikings- Dvesha) !

 

That is real sanyaas ! My Dear Brother ! That is real retirement !

Not leaving or not leaving the Government Service !!

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

 

 

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My dandavat pranams to all in this fourm......responsibilities have

kept me so busy that I have neglected this beautiful forum, sadly.

In regard to this sacred question....what to do when one is

encountering the need to absorb oneself in spiritual practices for

oneself and others. I know that this is not exactly how the

question was worded, but truly, it is what I heard....because you

have come to the point of saying, " Where do I go from here " .....

indeed, age is not truly the criterion for one being ready to absorb

oneself in full devotion.....it is a point where one finally

accepts, " I have no business in this world save and except to live

for bhajan, for glorifying the lord, for providing knowledge of Gita

to others. "

 

I have accepted Los Angeles as my place to execute this

activity.....it is where the Lord has put me. Pray for guidance,

and it will come....Los Angeles has many, many groups of sadhaks, as

well as a very high level of vegetarian communities, vegan, raw,

east Indian, etc......and there are so so many people to give some

time and energy to as far as speaking on Bhagavat dharma. But than,

almost any city in the world these days, is needing Hari Katha to

purify the atmosphere.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

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Stay where you are. Seek a genuine Guru/Guru within. He will lead

you towards the right path. Meditate and seek the company of

spiritual people.

Hari Shanker Deo

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Shri Sureshji, This is the same question that I had asked Swamiji

fourteen years back, while considering retirement - (should I go to

Rushikul, or Churu, or Rishikesh, or Gorakhpur), then his reply is

something that is useful to you - " Brother, wherever you are, remain

there as is, always " longing and desiring " , then your work will be

done. Because that Paramatma which you think about attaining in

Gorakhpur, or Rishikesh etc. that very same Paramatma wholly and

entirely is at this very moment close to you, now and at all

times. What more, you yourself are wise and patient, but when it

comes to relationship with Paramatma, the impatience (that intense

longing) works ! Very well!

 

Vineet Sarvottam

 

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Hari Om

 

Dear Shri Sharmaji

 

At the outset welcome! Great things in life don't wait for any

retirement. No outside activity can accelerate your turning towards

the ultimate. If your family has slightest of the need for your

continuing doing the Govt Job - Please unhesitantly continue doing

that. Swamiji always advocated " 24 x 7 " work. Consider after having

fulfilled your responsibilities at this age of 53 ( I am also 53 and

have done all that is necessary for my family responsibilities,

married both daughters, a son and another son is ready for marriage,

all well settled- only difference is I am employed in private

sector) as to whether whatever you earn honourably and justfully out

of your employment- you should use them for welfare and benefit of

1. Those for whom you still have mineness/attachment (including your

body)- with a special sentiment always awakened in you inside that "

they are not you/yours/for you " 2 Those for whom you have no

mineness/attachment.

 

That is one way you can plan. Check up with your better half if she

wants you to continue working. If she says even " may be " or " as you

think fit " - work! Work so that you may never seek economic

dependence upon anyone for rest of your life. Work so that you may

be of help to category 2 people ( stated in preceding paragraph)!

Work in government without accepting anything extra. Live there like

a lotus in water. You can. You should. Work so that you may see God

whereever you get engaged in.

 

Ensure that today you don't need anybody for anything pertaining to

your balance stay in this world. If you feel some are dependent upon

you( say wife)- serve them with double intensity and speed.

 

But keep a thought burning inside you - " I am of God, Only God is

mine, nothing else is mine " . Don't expect anything from anybody-

even from God. Keep utilising whatever you have for benefit and

welfare of whoever comes in touch with you - if you can and if you

should.

 

All extra time in your life should be utilised in reading Swamiji's

books, Gita, Ramayana, listening to Swamiji's pravachans, singing

bhajans, doing keertans and remaining in good company always.

 

This is one way. Another totally different way - next time.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

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Great idea!!!!!

I have been doing the same because I have also been influenced very

deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. We might be able to do share some

thoughts on some projects

 

Satya Kalra

 

 

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Respected Vyasji and others,

 

I am 53 and may seek premature retirement from my central govt

service. Married and family responsibilities are more or less over.

 

I want to spend my post-retirement life in the company of Gita

scholars/students/lovers. I have been influenced deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj.

 

Can you kindly guide me where to go?

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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NEW POSTING

 

 

 

Hari Om

 

Some final thoughts on the subject:

 

1 Never look out for an acknowledgement from family of what you have

done for them. It is a desire not liked by God. It hurts your

spiritual goals. A curt answer that whatever you did was your duty

will then hurt you more.

 

2 Never seek mercy from near and dears. An answer that you were

foolish enough will readily come. Self pity also doesn't make

surroundings really strong. It is contagious.

 

3 Never impose your thoughts over the family members. You will have

no answer to the counter question as to whether every soul is

independent or not.

 

AKKAL SHARIRA OOPAJE, DIYA LAAGE DAMB

 

Wisdom arises from within. If some body tries to impose it, he is

perceived as poisonous snake.

 

Don't invite disrespect for you.

 

4 Remember each soul is accumulating Karmas of their own. You have

got connected with them because of contractual karmic obligations

and the moment accounts are settled, all will part ways. It is a law.

 

5 Set examples of decent conduct irrespective of its immediate

results/reception. Children will use them when there is real need

for the same irrespective of your presence at that time.

 

6 Serve, Serve and Serve. Destroy mineness/ego/likings and

dislikings using one weapon only- expectationless service. That is

possible only when you are in your home- dealing with people who are

not " actually " yours. Once the thought comes in your mind that they

are not " yours " the service by you becomes real and divine and lifts

you spiritually. Before that it is " selfish " - arising out of

mineness and hence done for self and hence producing bondage. Lucky

are those guys who realise before serving that the servicee

is " actually " not mine.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

 

MY respects to all in this foorum....

I am noting the interest in this topic....very strong indeed!

One has to think deeply and ponder all the varieties of responses.

Let me add one more thought into the mix.....my gurudeva, A.C.

Bhaktivedanta Swami, mentioned occasionally to his disciples that

the last straw which drove him to finally take sannyas was when his

wife traded his Srimad Bhagavatam for tea. She had threatened, and

he told her, " tea, or me " ......she made the choice. So, there is

definitely a line which a sadhu must draw, of being willing to

tolerate only to a certain extent.

Are there offenses to the concepts of Guru, shastra, or sadhu in

the home? Analyze this before deciding whether it is a fit place

to reside. And then know, that purification will surely take place

once having departed.....again, another story from the life of my

guru, is that shortly after leaving for sannyas, he was gored by a

bull. I do not remember so much the story, but it is documented in

various places.....there is a biography six volumes called Srila

Prabhupada Lilamrta if you have inclination. Even one whose only

intent WAS and IS to spread bhakti, to give an opportunity to others

to learn Sanatan dharma....still....so much pain and suffering on an

external level. So, know that whatever you choose, you must come

to the level of " atmarama " finding pleasure in the self alone. This

level is very high....and to attain it, you may certainly need to

take steps to seek out exalted association....the Lord will guide

you if you sincerely cry out to Him.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

Finally a short practical event from every day life:

 

You are in a car which stops at a signal. A beggar spreads his hands

and you give say Dollar one to him. A friend sitting beside will

call that payment as " donation " . So will God.

 

You reach home and your son comes to you and seeks money. You give

him say Dollar one to him. Same friend will not call that payment as

donation. Nor will God.

 

Why?

 

Now compare these two payments. At both places you did your duty. At

both places you didn't expect money to be returned. At both places

you wanted the recepient to become happy. At both places you

renounced.

 

What was the difference between the two payments then? This is

question !

 

Answer is - To the beggar you never considered to be " mine " while

paying. But you considered your son to be " mine " while paying. What

else was the difference? This difference has changed the very karma

and its results.

 

If you give monthly expenses to your wife without considering,

inside your heart, her to be " mine " - Law of Karma will classify the

entire amount as " donation " . If not- bondage!

 

How easy ! How practical!! How Simple!!! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Hare Krishna

 

As I understand, Sanyaas should be taken only when one is completely

detached (teevra vairagya). In some cases such a soul does not

renounce world, in fact the world renounces him. Example of

Shukdevji fits the bill, whereas in case of Arjuna and Janaka etc

even after realization they did not take sanyaas. A sadhak should

make his spiritual practice in accordance with the situation he is

in. If solitude becomes must for sadhak's spiritual progress then

God will change his situation where he can do his sadhan alone.

 

Sadhak's duty is only to serve others and not to find anyone's

fault. If anyone's fault is visible then rather than hating him,

sadhak should pity him and pray to God for his welfare. The biggest

point in serving is to fulfill other's ethical wishes. He should not

force his spiritual views on worldly people, because it will prove

counter-productive. Swamiji gave discourses only to serve humanity.

He never sported attitude of " I can improve others. I am more

knowledgeable than others etc " . Whatever Swamiji gave He gave only

with the intention to serve. We should also carry the same sentiment.

 

Hare Krishna,

 

Varun P. Paprunia

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Jai Hanuman

 

 

 

Yeah ! It is Marcus Brutus " Dear Julius Ceaser !! Dear Bhaiyya !

Hope you didn't mind my arrow like response. We at GT Group are like

a family. I keep on taking such liberties. Bad habit according to my

Hubby. In fact, I had to go through a snub from my Hubby but then I

wrote what indeed I felt right. Welcome to this family. Please keep

writing and contributing. You are now a part of really selfless and

divine forum. Please keep sharing your views. In fact " Et tu Brutus "

I should also say because of your humble and genuine approach and

your capacity to appreciate such brutal attack. Hats Off to you. May

Lord Krishna be always with you. Indeed you have a heart made of

Gold. This world is sustained on the strength of people like you.

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

 

Shashikala

 

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Dear Sir,

 

Since you are still young at 53, you should devote some more years

in doing your karma by doing social work of your liking and to the

uplift of down trodden and poor people.

 

Best regards,

Sivaraman.V

 

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Jai Hanuman

 

We as humans have to face this peculiar creation made by God as an

acid test.This world is simply an examination hall for each and

every human being. Here is the world which like greggary(sweet) or

salt from which ever side or way you " consume " it is sorrowful.

(DUKHALAYAM) Biggest treachery comes from the closest people. There

is no way a permanent element can derive pleasure out of temporary

element. Now what is our role? How to go about it? How to conquer?

How to pass with distinction marks from this examination?

 

Art of Living in this world as taught by Swamiji is simple. Don't

try to change the circumstances. Change yourself. Don't judge

others. Judge yourself. Problem is that generally we judge others

and pardon ourselves. It should be reverse. Once you concentrate on

your duties and others' rights - you are on right path. But ego does

not often let us do that. We often end up talking about our rights

and others' duties. How wife should behave, how children should

behave etc etc. What we don't pay attention to is that " talking "

doesnot help. Conduct or silent example setting before the kids

helps.If you want some one to live as per Gita- the best way is to

live yourself as per Gita. At the appropriate hour the vibrations

will be caught by the children. Any hurry or insistence invariably

gets counter productive. You have no capacity to mould others as per

your wishes. That you can't do. You have capacity to mould yourself

as per wishes of others. That you can do. Where is the wisdom in

attempting what we can't do and ignoring what we can do !

 

I oppose bitterly this " mind " only because it always suggests what

we can't do. From the perspective of mind it is natural because it

exists in " nothingness " only- past/future! But from ever

existing " self " point of view- it proves fatal. Hence scriptures ask

you to drop reliance on mind.

 

Once we are on right path- what is my duty - the result in due

course is miraculous and unbelievable !!

 

What is the result ? Result is that " dukhalayam " gets converted

practically into " God " Himself (Vasudevah Sarvam) ! Once you don't

desire anything from anyone - then that anyone becomes God -as far

as you are concerned. This is something which sounds extra ordinary

but my experience has taught me that it is true.

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sadhak

Dear Suresh Sharma

I feel while remaining with the family, you can still have God

realisation by having detached view, Sakshi bhav, surrendering

fruits of all actions to God, leaving Karta Bhav and of course

meditation and Bhakti to wards Supreme God what so ever name you

call him

Thanks

 

 

G K Agrawal

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Hare Krsna

 

Respected Suresh ji

 

I have been following your mail and the replies. I fully understand

you confusion. Please don't lose your faith in Sri Krishna. Give

your thought or desire some time. If your faith and devotion is

strong and it doesn't deplete with time and surroundings and

circumstances Sri Krishna will show you some way out. In the

meantime completely surrender to Sri Krishna. He will take care of

your problem.As Sri Krishna states in the BG 9:22 " Ananyas

cintayanto maam ye.....yoga-ksemam vahamy aham "

 

Hare Krsna

" srivally k "

 

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Hari Om

 

Sharmaji ! Did you observe what Mike told ? " I don't judge " ! How

can you judge creation made by our Great Father ? After all we are

His children only - nothing more! Consider the " certainty " flowing

out of Mike's expression and experience! I told you before that you

are " pure " (open) hearted person ! This is how spiritual

reconciliations take place- notwithstanding

culture/caste/colour/country/civilisation etc !!! That is where Holy

Gitaji and Saints like Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj shine like Polar

Star!

 

" My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this! "

 

That is real " advice " ! That is what is " warranted " !! You can't

be " Judge " in this world made by Paramatma !! That is " Satsanga " !

That is " nectar " ! That is " Divine " ! This is " Mantra " ! This

is " guidance " ! Believe me on that ! ( I am taking this liberty of

asking you to " believe me " because you addressed the Question to me,

too )

 

That propels you to shed your " ego " ,your " intellect " ,

your 'mind, " .your " " mamata " (mineness) , your " likings " ( Raag) and

your " dislikings " (Dvesha) !.That requires you to get rid of

your " antahkarana " - by not acknowledging the same to be " yours " !

 

That makes you subdued too. That also makes you a child. That is

reality. That is " SAT " within the meaning of Gitaji.

 

That is " viveka " (Conscience), my Dear Sharmaji !

 

This is " Geeta Talk Group " ! Most certainly this is " Humanity " !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Dear Sharmaji,

 

I don't see why you have to go any where.

If you are comfortable in the place you have lived all these years,

just stay there. If not, just find a surrounding you are comfortable

with.

You already love Gita Ji and also have been deeply influenced by

the books of a particular Swami. You have Internet, pretty much

wherever you are. Just translate sections of the book you like

to English. If it is already in English, re-write in your words.

Share your insight with others, who may be interested.

That is one way to spread your learning among others who may not

have thought of such things, but not averse to it.

Even if you can spread it to one other individual, that is plenty.

You can also share on the Internet. Start a blog site to

post your insights.You are all ready in parama-satsangh.

Joyfully participate in life- you can only do it, when you have

internally withdrawn.

 

 

Enjoy

 

KST

Koti Sreekrishna

 

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Dear Suresh Sharmaji, Let us follow the Lord in doing good karma and

you can think of joining us . --Prem

 

 

Prem Kumar Khullar

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Dear Shashikala bahan,

 

Et tu Brutus.

______________

 

Dear Sadhna Karigar ji,

 

Much help indeed.

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Dear Mike,

 

Your affection has wrapped me from all sides. (Manas : ab mohi bha

bharos

Hanumanta / Binu harikripa milahi nahi santa - Now, I am convinced

Hanuman that

without God’s grace, we cannot even meet the saints)

__________________

 

Dear Pratap Bhatt ji,

 

Your words have opened my eyes, and they make me sad also, though I

know the

truth of ‘shubhashubh prityagi’

-------------------------

Dear Baiya Sathyanarayan,

 

Your words are like torch to me. I can now see the path more clearly.

--------------------------

Dear Raj Kumar ji,

 

You make my heart weep and my eyes damp, out of sheer happiness.

This forum has

really helped me. Krishna’s grace †" unbounded and all around.

________________________

 

Dear Capt Johann Samuhanand,

 

Much grateful for the kind words and guidance, easy to practise.

 

--------------------------

 

Dear Bandook Singh ji,

 

I will continue my duties towards all †" vasudhaiv kutumbkam.

 

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Dear Vyas ji,

 

Bura jo dekhan mai gaya, bura na milya koi

Jo ghat dekha aapna, mujhse bura no koi.

 

Once again thank you all for your valuable guidance and making me

see the light in right perspective. I will continue my job and

remain with the family - reading scriptures, attending satsang,

meeting saints and leading a life in a yagyamaya manner.

 

Kindest regards,

Suresh C Sharma

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Dear Sadhak,

The situations you just described are excellent circumstances for

God realization-

1. Free from reponsibilies

2. Free from worldly attachments

3. Considering yr self total failure means no dependency on yr own

strength

 

So instead of putting yr self in Golden Cage(due to attachment to

satvik guna) you should completely surrender yr self to God and be

free(jeevanmukta)

In my opinion you should insist on Paramatma Prapti(God realization)

not on ritualistic sanyaas or good company etc.Do satsang,go and

spend time in ashram, live with realized souls, but always look

inside, and know that I am God's and only God is mine. Knowledge,

devotion and liberation all will come with this knowing only.

 

With lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Sureshji,

 

Your predicament was summed up so well by a comment made by Jeshua

the

Nazarene, " a prophet is not without honor except in his own country

and in his own house " . I just recently made a comment on send to

entire group at another time)

Your country is the World of the Spirit, I have gone through the very

things you have gone through believe you me, I too live in the World

of the Spirit, we dwell in the same land, not Geographically you

understand.

Did not Sri Ramakrishna Paramahams, say God is closer than your skin,

if the good Swami was correct, you do not have to go anywhere to find

'The Beloved', I sure you know 'He' dwells in your heart.

It took me years to come to terms with things like Christmas, I

saw/see it as a time of gluttony and excess, built on a fable,

borrowing from the Pagans,(no disrespect to the Pagans intended).

I had to detach or go mad, but also honor the good things that happen

,like decent organizations that give the poor and destitute a decent

feed at that time, and we by presents that can be distributed to the

poor.

My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this!

Of course the family know me as an oddball, but also they know me as

one without hate, one who will help when there is need.

I have been blessed with so much Divine Love, I have met so many,

many, Great Souls, what a Divine forum this is, is it not?

In passing I am retired but am a very busy person.

 

With Respect and Divine Love,

 

Mike Keenor

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Sureshji, I read your respectful responses to

sadhakas who attempted to answer your question on retirement and

sanyas. My experience tells me that if you have so many reasons to

retire and take sanyas, chances are it will not work for you,

particularly when these reasons are: you don't like situation and/or

behavior of people around you.It sounds like you may be forcing it

upon you(I may be wrong). I am not saying they(spouse/children) are

right in their own rights, but to think " they are wrong and

therefore, you have nothing to do with them " may be the the wrong

thinking as I see it. When one doesn't have any reasons, but only

happiness/love in whatever and wherever one is placed(not where one

places oneself), then, by all means, retirement and sanyas will work

better for one. We generally try to do or undo things to be happy

which, at best, works for short time and we are already looking for

something else to do or undo out of boredom.When we are already

happy and loving, then we do or undo things as if we are playing to

celebrate the life, because we are not looking to get anything which

will make us happy, we just are!I have learnt from life never to

possess another human being be that person your spouse, children,

friends, siblings, parents or whoever. Sometimes we possess by

making someone guilty or self pitying ourselves in front of them or

demands on them, or all such subtle tricks. One's sincerity and

honesty with oneself and above all love for truth will show the next

step. Namaskar

Pratap Bhatt

-------------------------

 

Dear Sadak,Bagavan said, " Loka Sheman Vahamiyam " . Means HE takes

care of the whole creation. So dont worry who will teach your

grandchildren. Your time is running out. Only you have to put your

effort which only will work out. Mostly seekers left homes and

stayed amidst nature to avoid social obligations such as marriages

etc. Even saints living with family were also remained detached and

so they were called excentric.This birth balance time can be

untilised purposefully in Sat Sangh, Bajans, Namasankeethan Etc.

Control all emotions, aviod being slave to toung (taste and talk),

see only God`s statue, walk only to temples, your free time spend in

meditation.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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My respectable Sharma ji,

 

I am a 44 year old Police officer in Delhi Police and for at least

20 years of my life I had been privileged to attend the Satsangas of

Swami Ramsukhdasji alongwith reading of his books (particularly the

book " Geeta Probodhini " , which influenced my life, greatly).

Sharmaji, for the last few years I have also been going through the

same social situations as has been described by you and the same

thoughts also come to my mind. I have tried my best to search for

the so called " serenity under a Banyan Tree " but found it no where.

My dear elder brother, we should not forget that we have some basic

needs in our life to be taken care of, so long as we are (rather we

have to) dragging the loathsome weight of this body and for that

very purpose we need society, which I donot think, is wrong. With

the increase of age, our medical needs also increase, which cannot

be avoided.

 

Now comes the burning question, then " Where to Go " ? My dear

brother, with all my sincerety, honesty and experience ( whaterver I

have gained by the grace of my Gurudev) I very truly and whole-

heartedly request you to please take refuge in ATMA. This is the

only place I have found to be most secluded and Serene. When you

are established in your realself, ATMA and when you have made

Brahmakar Vritti, you will find real great bliss, satisfaction and

the most Serene Place in your life, no matter where you are sitting,

whether in a birthday party or marriage party etc. Sir, as and when

you try to run away from these places, I am sorry to say, you

unknowingly create another bindings of Raga and Dwesha, which simply

add another hurdle in your way to attain real and eternal tranqality

in your life which you can attain even while sitting in your office

or at home.

 

Gaining Brahmakar Vritti is neither easy nor difficult. All it

depends on our sincerity. Try this-- throw away all intelligence

you have gained throughout your life, feel like an innocent child

and surrender yourself to God. Cry and cry desperately for him like

an innocent stubborn child. Feel yourself like Arjuna and listen

Him preeching Geeta. (Geeta Probodhini is best) Believe me, He

will come to your rescue and make the way.

 

If ever in Rishikesh, I can suggest satsang opportunity.

Ram Ram

 

Raj Kumar

 

Dear Sharmaji,

I read with interest your post and reply by friends.You say your

family responsibilities are over. But from what you write about your

son,daughter and wife that you are deeply involved in their views and

way of life though they are adults.Your main problem is trying to

control their way of life to yours and just because they as adults

donot agree with your way of life, you tend to blame them and also

your way of bringing up. You think you failed somewhere. You are

absolutely wrong in your view.Your wife and children have been

magnanimous in not enforcing their view or way of life on you . You

want to go on world tour or Indian tour of theertha places, i am sure

your family will allow it. do that and you will understand what is

GEETHA OR DHARMA.

With kind regards.

captain Johann samuhanand

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

Bhaiyya Sharmaji ! Very good Jee !! Bhabhiji should not eat

Golgappes because you don't like Golgappes !! Excellent Jee! Wahe

Guru! She should become like a " Gandhari " – is it? If children get

happy by birthday gifts, you feel they are becoming greedy !

Superlative Jee !! Why will they learn that as they become happy by

taking, there is someone becoming happy by giving also ? You don't

like what your son is doing ( Cellphone/ TV addiction) , good –

understandable ! But then what is objection to you , if he does not

like your watching News on TV ? Whatever " I LIKE SHOULD HAPPEN " –

Is that what you are suggesting, My Dear Bhaiyya ?? What is wrong

with Bhabhiji and kids if they expect you to behave in accordance

with their wish, particularly when you yourself have same

attitude ?. Hence they are in complete tandem with you !! Bolo

Jee !! Boliye Sir !

 

Your complaint is that Mrs Sharma is a great supporter of Son.

Anything wrong there? Are you not a supporter of your son? Who

doesnot support Sons/Daughters? If she is supporting a wrong

conduct , according to you, then it is her dereliction of duties.

Why you should transfer yourself under a banyan tree? If your

nephews etc do not approve of your Gita ways of living, then you

should take sanyaas? Which way is this Bhaiyyaji? Bolo ! " GITA WAY

OF LIVING " !! Approval of nephews/nieces is necessary for you? They

told you honestly that they are too young. Remember your being at

that age!

 

" Rajasic/Tamasic Creepers " !! These are the words you used for God's

children !! Pray to night before the God and say sorry to God –

don't forget to do that !! On one hand, you have registered your

house in the name of my Bhabhiji ( What a great love and

affection) , on the other hand you cannot even tolerate a sight of

her peacefully taking bites of delicious golgappes- which kind of

SAMATA ( EQUANIMITY) is this? Is not clearly a love / mineness

hidden beneath the outer layer of hate? Former is RAAG as per Gita.

Latter is DVESHA as per Gita ! Under which banyan tree you will find

practical situations like this to become EQUANIMOUS?

 

She is working in a bank. She does not need your Retirement cheque.

OK ! Now don't leave the job. Don't make them happy. Say You are not

retiring, Jee ! BECOME " Viviktadeshasevitvam " ( referred by you)

while remaining at home only. Become also " Asaktaranbhishvangam

putra daar griha dishu " ( Referred in previous sloka of BG 13).

Start accumulating money EXCLUSIVELY FOR YOURSELF AND ONLY FOR

YOURSELF_ for next 4/5 years. Don't even give an air of your current

pay cheques. Talk sweetly ! Try to throw bitterness from your

conduct. Inside your heart, there should not be an anger in you for

them, nor an ego in you as to how they will manage, nor a worry in

you, nor an impetuosity in you to know their reactions. Nor should

there be any outer proclamation of revolutionary conduct by you.

NOTHING in front. Let them ignore you. Let them drive their own

lives. When they demand anything from you, then take a call. There

you should think- CAN I DO AND SHOULD I DO ?

 

Keep in touch Jee !

 

Namaste Jee

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sharmaji Your problem is that you are too good a person but

you are taking care of your family in an obliging manner. Now

that the children have grown up and they have started reflecting

upon in their own way- you still desire an attention by them

towards you. You feel the family should circle around your wishes,

tantrums, and thoughts. Come what may- it will not happen. It is not

correct for you to so expect. Spiritualism arises from within-

Sharmaji ! It can not be inflicted by an injection in the

youngsters. Ladies across the globe are like that only. At least

yours is earning and then eating Pani puri. God may create

circumstances in which instead of pani puri ,the very you get

eaten. There is nothing unusual emanating out of your narration

which can drive you to take sanyaas . Dont give much attention to

them. Concentrate on yourself. All are good. All are of God only.

This world has been made in such a manner that it in the end imparts

sorrow only. Hence dont think of going anywhere merely because your

beloveds are not behaving as you like them to do. It is injustice.

Ignore them. Pay attention to your duties and not to the duties of

others.

 

Regards Bandook Singh

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Hari Om

 

My Dear Sharmaji ! Thanks for honest expressions. You indeed have a

pure heart. But Facts as they appear to me are that ONLY you are at

fault- I seek your forgiveness. That every soul is self

centered /selfish is not something which is a new revelation. That

nobody except Paramatma is you/yours/for you is crystal clear to

you, me and all. PROBLEM WITH ALL OF US IS THAT WE KNOW BUT WE DON'T

ACCEPT TILL WE GET SHOCKS ! We know that this body, world, kith and

kin are not ours but still we complain that they don't listen to

words of wisdom. Now what is special about it? It is so ab initio.

But going under some banyan tree is not the answer to your emotional

confusions and complaints. Bitterness, complaint,

frustration,dejection,helplessness, rejection of present status,

expectations of a better conduct from your beloveds, feeling of self

worthlessness , likings , dislikings, cold anger, desire, all of

them are existing inside you and you only. Will your mind not emit

those emotions under a banyan tree? Will the memories not haunt you

there? Believe me – they will !

 

Now what to do ? Consider if you are so insistent on the following.

1. Don't leave the job 2. Take a small house nearby your existing

house on rent and shift there- all alone.3. Stop spending a penny on

any one except on yourself. 4. If kith and kin come to you, tell

them with folded hands --, " Thanks. Now I shall concentrate on

myself.I have a lot to do for myself. Please don't worry about me. I

shall take care of myself. Please be happy. God Bless you, all " .

Then start your sadhana as a " Bhakti Yogi " . ( My earlier suggestion

was reg Karma Yoga).

 

Start concentrating on " self " . Start eliminating- as Shashikalaji

told you- " Raag " ( Likings) and " Dvesha " ( Dislikings) from your

conduct. Your real enemies are Raag and Dvesha. Try to put "

Equanimity " in your conduct. What is the problem to you if Mrs

Sharma likes " golgappes " ? According to you she should eat only what

you want her to eat – Is it? This is example of Raag/Dvesha ! You

have to conquer this. No you cant make youngsters behave as you want

them to behave. YOU CANNOT ! Can you control your own mind and body?

No !

 

You need a lot to do with your own reference!

 

Believe in what Swamiji says in Sadhak Sanjeevani or Sadhan Sudha

Sindhu. Believe that nothing is yours. Believe that " I am of God

and ONLY God is mine. " Never give up your job – else there is a

danger that you shall lose both ends. " DUVIDHA MAIN DONO GAYE ,

MAYA MILI NA RAAM " ( In dilemma, I lost both. World as well as

God) ! Start implementing Swamiji's teachings. You have reached to

present state of " Vairagya " ( Dispassion) only because you served

in the past your wife and children. SERVICE DESTROYS MINENESS- it is

a principle given for benefit of entire humanity by Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. Live such dozens and dozens of laws/principles

stated by Taat Shree in His books/discourses/messages etc.

Concentrate more on that !!

 

There are other methods also. Keep writing/reading. You are in a

right, divine forum.

 

Your kith and kin shall ignore you only so long as you consider them

to be " yours " . The moment you really believe that they are not

yours, they will become " Godly " for you ! Try this !! All dirt is

there in " mineness " only.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas NB

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Respected All,

 

I am greatful for the guidance.

 

Dear Sadhna Karigar ji, very sensible indeed. My problem is that I am

a total failure or misfit in the society. I do not attend the

marriage parties where lot of noisy filmy songs and DJ dances etc.

make me sick even if I keep safe distance. I do not attend birthday

parties because the children celebrating the birthdays are more

interested in the gifts they get " we the gift-givers turn

them into greedy beings. I do not approve of my only son's obsession

with learning modern filmy dance and his addition to cell phone and

TV (he does not like even my watching the news channel) " I am a

total failure as a father for no fault of mine. I cannot take my

wife for outings because she is fond of eating " golgappe " etc and

above all she is a great supporter of her son's activities basically

completely spoiling him from spiritual point of view and making him

into a socially clever fellow. My daughter is in the job and

interested in getting materialistically rich just like any other

young lady. My nephews and niece do not approve of my Gita's way of

life, they say they are too young for these boring things. No one in

my family circle is interested in Swamiji's literature, but in Shani

Mandir and tantrik puja etc. I have realized to the core of my

heart that I cannot change or influence anyone in my family for their

real betterment. Wife and son are feeling happy at my idea of

premature retirement as they will get a few more lakhs of rupees.

Wife works in a bank. I am not finding fault with anyone, but that

is their " prarabdha " . Should I continue to be in the family to

nourish the " rajsik and tamsik " creepers (though all this

is " vasudevam sarvamiti " )? It would be a pleasure should I

become manure for any " satvik " plant.

 

Gita also teaches - Viviktadeshsevitvam, aratirjansansadi (dwelling

in a secluded place and lack of desire to be in the crowd) supports

my decision to seek sanyas. Though I want to be in the company of

the saints " bodhyantah parasparam " .

 

Dear Prem Khullar ji, while I agree with you fully, and by seeking

retirement and entering into the Sanyas, I am sure I can better

serve God's needy creatures with more freedom and time. I have been

studying and conserving birds and their habitats in Haryana since

1976 ˜sarvabhoot hite ratah " .

 

Dear N K Srinivasan ji, nice suggestion. I want to have regular and

continuous ˜darshanâ " of saints ˜gyan vigyan astikyam "

 

Shashikala bahan, I am a complete failure in family life and will be

a big failure if I persist in my meaningless social efforts. I am

reading the scriptures in general and Sadhak Sanjivani / Sadhak

Sudha Sindhu in particular. Your arguments are faultless, yet I want

to run away from the consumerist society and want to lead a perfect

peaceful natural life under some banyan tree in an ashram. Your

˜bhabhi " is interested in money and will be happy to get my post-

retirement cash and monthly pension; I have already registered the

house in her name. For myself, I do not need much and out of my Rs

15000 plus monthly pension, I just need one fifth of it at the most.

I do not think in this modern society my family members, present

and/or would be, will be interested in a ˜yagyaacharatah karma " Let

them be in their fool's paradise (if I can use the term of Henry

David Thoreau).

 

Dear Mahalaksmi Dasi ji, I appreciate your optimism. But I am a sort

of " sarvaarambh prityagi " .

 

Dear Hari Shanker Deo, I am seeking company of spiritual people and

something within me says " get out of this dirty consumerist social

life " .

 

Dear Vineet Sarvottam ji, Is there some Ashram in Churu also? Yes,

you are right. I recall Kabir's vani ˜rahna nahi, desh begana hai "

 

Dear Vyas ji, I am indeed indebted to you for detailed guidance,

practical and yet spiritual.

 

Still, I am a little confused.

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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Sir,

You must develop faith on our scriptures and establish firm

relationship with Gita itself can give you guidance on where to go,

what to do etc. Me too is 53 by age but I never feel my age because

I am engaged in service. Never worry about future or my past. We

must live in present. We are never free from responsibilities. Our

main duty is to know and serve. The more we know the more we serve.

Offer our service to the Lord while doing and we must leave it. Take

up the next till the Central Government terms end. We never end our

karma till the time of our departure from here. So that do not think

about a retirement from central government job. Still you can get

engaged in Gita service and the service with the Lord if you change

your attitude, not your situation. You have no control over the

situation only control is to develop over your mind.

Love, krishna das.

 

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If at some point in time when you are closer to a decision, you can

help us to help the needy children for their education, health and

mind.

 

Padmanabhan Sundaram

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhak,

Swamiji Ramsukhdasji, never encouraged such things as like taking

early retirement , he never asked anyone to leave the job and take

sanyaas (as far as I understand his teachings.)

yr desire could be called a Satvik desire, but no matter what desire

leads to sufferings. So Swamiji says-donot even desire for

liberation/mukti.

Only desire for God is Worth desiring.Have only one desire-

Krishna/God and He will show you the path to reach Him.

 

Yogusth kuru karmani(Do yr karma while established in Yoga)

Working or retired doesnot obstruct yr path for self

enlightenment.Start yr spiritual journey RIGHT NOW, at this very

moment, wherever you are.Donot make it a future goal.

 

Nasto Vidhyate Bhao, Nabhao vidhyate satah (Gita 2:16)

The unreal has no existence and the real has no cessation...

So nomatter where you are the Real is with you every moment and the

unreal is leaving you every moment.

 

Detachment from the unreal is sanyaas, and knowing the difference

between what is real and what is unreal is Knowledge (Gita Ch 13 &

14)

 

Accepting everything as God's is Bhakti (Vasudev Sarvam)

 

Now tell me to follow any of these paths-karma yoga, gyaan yoga or

bhakti yoga, where do you need to go ?

Nowhere/anywhere/everywhere ?

 

Kasturi Kundal basi mrig dhundhe van mahi---(the aroma is coming out

from deer's own naval but he is running in the forest to find the

source/ Krishna/God is sitting right in our heart, but we are trying

to find Him outside)

 

with lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Suresh Sharma ji,

 

WHERE TO GO ? WHERE CAN YOU GO ? NO WHERE . EVERY THING IS HERE . I

was an air force officer for 22 years. I retired 27 years back . I

am here running a 50 bed charitable hospital and various programs.

READ GITA , FOLLOW IT AND DO NOT BOTHER ABOUT THIS LIFE AND DEATH '

CHAKKAR'. It will be what ever it may be or whatever it has to be .

 

SERVE THE WORLD TO THE HILT - CEASELESSLY ,UNENDLESSLY AND FOR EVER.

LOVE

 

PREM KHULLAR

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Dear Sharmaji,

After retirement,I would suggest that you visit several pilgrim

centres and sacred temples,like a Parivrajika, with a few items with

you.Asmall suitcase and a bag.By such visits, your mind will be

purified and also you will learn more about our poeple ,their forms

of devotion and thier simple,humble ways.The railway tickets are

quite low and you need not sppend much.After say two or three years

of religious wandering or pilgrimages, you can select a place or

ashram or suitable palce to stay...This I learnt after my own

wanderings after the age of sixty.You are much younger and should be

easy for you.You will learn more about Bharat,our motherland after

that.

Regards,

In Shirdi Sai Smaran,

N K Srinivasan

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Jai Hanuman

 

No Bhaiyya Sharmaji. This " more or less over " with reference

to " duties " of marital life is not acceptable. Nor did I like your

last words - " where to go " !!

 

But your gesture/sentiment/approach is laudable- no questions about

the same!

 

WHERE TO GO ? - No where Dear. Remain where ever you are. Start now

a new life with no outer change. Concentrate on removing " Raag " (

Likings) and " Dvesha " (Dislikings) from your mind / intellect/

thoughts /psyche /person ! They are roots of your worldly stays of

past, present and future!

Read Scriptures/ Swamiji in spare time. Think about the soul, your

role in this Divine Lila !

 

By the way who are you to decide whether you should work or not? Did

you check up with Bhabhiji ( Mrs Sharma) ? Do as she says. No

arguments on this.

 

Have you planned adequately for your old age ? Who will instil God

in grand children? Who will guide them to righteousness? Who will

create cultural base for them and for the family ? Who will set

examples of selfless conduct? Who will make them better humans? Only

grand parents can do that- not the parents!

 

No Running away Bhaiyya! Stay put !! There are lot of things to do !

We will discuss if you actively participate !

 

Ever thought what should be your goal for balance life? It should

be " O God- I should not be coming back again in this world in any

type of body- unless you sponsor me as your representative for your

work. I should be free forever from this circle of birth and death " .

Think on these lines. Get rid of all worldly

attachments/connections/mineness by continuously and selflessly

serving all people around you with all the things you have - without

expecting anything from them in return In dreams even do not

visualise a situation where you get dependent over any worldly

body/thing. You get retired without actually retiring merely by

relinquishing dependence over the same ! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !!

 

Get free! Feel free ! Dream Free ! Seek freedom ! Remaining where

ever you are ! There is no need to go anywhere ! Make your home

itself a temple. Love all . See God in all. Don't establish

any " new " connection/relationship/attachment with any body/thing-

for getting anything worldly out of them. Concentrate on self and on

conscience.

 

KABIRA KHADA BAJAAR MAIN SABKI MAANGE KHAIR !

 

NA KAHOO SE DOSTI NA KAHOO SE VAIR !!

 

Says Saint Kabir - I am standing in this market (worldly life)

wishing good for all and sundry. I have neither any friends (

likings- Raag) nor any enemies (dislikings- Dvesha) !

 

That is real sanyaas ! My Dear Brother ! That is real retirement !

Not leaving or not leaving the Government Service !!

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

 

 

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My dandavat pranams to all in this fourm......responsibilities have

kept me so busy that I have neglected this beautiful forum, sadly.

In regard to this sacred question....what to do when one is

encountering the need to absorb oneself in spiritual practices for

oneself and others. I know that this is not exactly how the

question was worded, but truly, it is what I heard....because you

have come to the point of saying, " Where do I go from here " .....

indeed, age is not truly the criterion for one being ready to absorb

oneself in full devotion.....it is a point where one finally

accepts, " I have no business in this world save and except to live

for bhajan, for glorifying the lord, for providing knowledge of Gita

to others. "

 

I have accepted Los Angeles as my place to execute this

activity.....it is where the Lord has put me. Pray for guidance,

and it will come....Los Angeles has many, many groups of sadhaks, as

well as a very high level of vegetarian communities, vegan, raw,

east Indian, etc......and there are so so many people to give some

time and energy to as far as speaking on Bhagavat dharma. But than,

almost any city in the world these days, is needing Hari Katha to

purify the atmosphere.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

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Stay where you are. Seek a genuine Guru/Guru within. He will lead

you towards the right path. Meditate and seek the company of

spiritual people.

Hari Shanker Deo

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Shri Sureshji, This is the same question that I had asked Swamiji

fourteen years back, while considering retirement - (should I go to

Rushikul, or Churu, or Rishikesh, or Gorakhpur), then his reply is

something that is useful to you - " Brother, wherever you are, remain

there as is, always " longing and desiring " , then your work will be

done. Because that Paramatma which you think about attaining in

Gorakhpur, or Rishikesh etc. that very same Paramatma wholly and

entirely is at this very moment close to you, now and at all

times. What more, you yourself are wise and patient, but when it

comes to relationship with Paramatma, the impatience (that intense

longing) works ! Very well!

 

Vineet Sarvottam

 

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Hari Om

 

Dear Shri Sharmaji

 

At the outset welcome! Great things in life don't wait for any

retirement. No outside activity can accelerate your turning towards

the ultimate. If your family has slightest of the need for your

continuing doing the Govt Job - Please unhesitantly continue doing

that. Swamiji always advocated " 24 x 7 " work. Consider after having

fulfilled your responsibilities at this age of 53 ( I am also 53 and

have done all that is necessary for my family responsibilities,

married both daughters, a son and another son is ready for marriage,

all well settled- only difference is I am employed in private

sector) as to whether whatever you earn honourably and justfully out

of your employment- you should use them for welfare and benefit of

1. Those for whom you still have mineness/attachment (including your

body)- with a special sentiment always awakened in you inside that "

they are not you/yours/for you " 2 Those for whom you have no

mineness/attachment.

 

That is one way you can plan. Check up with your better half if she

wants you to continue working. If she says even " may be " or " as you

think fit " - work! Work so that you may never seek economic

dependence upon anyone for rest of your life. Work so that you may

be of help to category 2 people ( stated in preceding paragraph)!

Work in government without accepting anything extra. Live there like

a lotus in water. You can. You should. Work so that you may see God

whereever you get engaged in.

 

Ensure that today you don't need anybody for anything pertaining to

your balance stay in this world. If you feel some are dependent upon

you( say wife)- serve them with double intensity and speed.

 

But keep a thought burning inside you - " I am of God, Only God is

mine, nothing else is mine " . Don't expect anything from anybody-

even from God. Keep utilising whatever you have for benefit and

welfare of whoever comes in touch with you - if you can and if you

should.

 

All extra time in your life should be utilised in reading Swamiji's

books, Gita, Ramayana, listening to Swamiji's pravachans, singing

bhajans, doing keertans and remaining in good company always.

 

This is one way. Another totally different way - next time.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

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Great idea!!!!!

I have been doing the same because I have also been influenced very

deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. We might be able to do share some

thoughts on some projects

 

Satya Kalra

 

 

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Respected Vyasji and others,

 

I am 53 and may seek premature retirement from my central govt

service. Married and family responsibilities are more or less over.

 

I want to spend my post-retirement life in the company of Gita

scholars/students/lovers. I have been influenced deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj.

 

Can you kindly guide me where to go?

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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NEW POSTING

 

Hare Krishna

 

Mahalakshmiji, you have indeed hit the bull's eye. No doubt about

it. Sureshji, if your family is stopping you from walking towards

God, then just renounce it. Don't give a second thought to it. After

death of this body, only dharma and God will go with you. No one

else.

But from your posting, it doesn't seem so. It seems that they are

not stopping you but they are merely disinterested of your

inclination towards spirituality.

 

Also your reason for Sanyaas is not detachment and dispassion but

dislike. The reason for this dislike is your family is not

conducting themselves as per your expectations. If you had not

expected anything from them then you wouldn't have been so confused.

 

And also one who has expectations how can he become a sanyaasi??

Lord says " Arjuna, you must know that what they call Sanyasa is no

other than Yoga; for none becomes a Yogi, who has not abandoned His

sankalpas(thoughts of the world) " (Gita 6.2)

 

Expectation comes only after sankalpa. After clinging on a worldly

thought, a desire erupts. (Gita 2.62) Sanyaas is for those who don't

have any worldly thoughts. You have failed in HSC (renouncement of

desire) but you want to pass post-graduation (sanyaas)!! [Graduation

is to be freed from worldly thoughts.]

 

Sureshji, please don't take theka of others. Just send your family

on a vacation, on a long long vacation. You might have read this in

Swamiji's books

 

TERE BHAVE JO KARE BARO BHULO SANSAR

NARAYAN TU BAITHKE APNO BHUVAN BHUVAR

 

Sir, just chill out and engage in God. Don't worry about them. God

is more worried about them than you can imagine. Just serve them and

break your mineness. That's it.

 

If you are still confused then go to Gita-Bhawan, (Rishikesh,

Swargashram) and take wise council of those souls who have been

closely associated with Swamiji for many years. Reveal to them all

what you said here and they will guide you surely.

 

Thanks,

 

Hare Krishna

Varun P. Paprunia

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Dear Suresh Sharma,

 

RETIREMENT WITH A MISSION IS LIKE A FLOWER WITH FRAGRANCE.

 

We greatly appreciate your willingness to seek suggestions for your

retirement era. Please consider tracing your roots and adopt and

rehabilitate your ancestral village. Everyone of us must take care

of our own mother, our own mother tongue and our own mother

(ancestral) village. the great need of this time is applied Bhagavad

Gita.

 

Sincerely,

A.V.Raghunath

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One has to go within and find the true self......

one has to practice whatever has been read and understood to

experience the true self....

Understanding is whole thing.....

 

Sushil Jain

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

Hari Om

 

Some final thoughts on the subject:

 

1 Never look out for an acknowledgement from family of what you have

done for them. It is a desire not liked by God. It hurts your

spiritual goals. A curt answer that whatever you did was your duty

will then hurt you more.

 

2 Never seek mercy from near and dears. An answer that you were

foolish enough will readily come. Self pity also doesn't make

surroundings really strong. It is contagious.

 

3 Never impose your thoughts over the family members. You will have

no answer to the counter question as to whether every soul is

independent or not.

 

AKKAL SHARIRA OOPAJE, DIYA LAAGE DAMB

 

Wisdom arises from within. If some body tries to impose it, he is

perceived as poisonous snake.

 

Don't invite disrespect for you.

 

4 Remember each soul is accumulating Karmas of their own. You have

got connected with them because of contractual karmic obligations

and the moment accounts are settled, all will part ways. It is a law.

 

5 Set examples of decent conduct irrespective of its immediate

results/reception. Children will use them when there is real need

for the same irrespective of your presence at that time.

 

6 Serve, Serve and Serve. Destroy mineness/ego/likings and

dislikings using one weapon only- expectationless service. That is

possible only when you are in your home- dealing with people who are

not " actually " yours. Once the thought comes in your mind that they

are not " yours " the service by you becomes real and divine and lifts

you spiritually. Before that it is " selfish " - arising out of

mineness and hence done for self and hence producing bondage. Lucky

are those guys who realise before serving that the servicee

is " actually " not mine.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

 

MY respects to all in this foorum....

I am noting the interest in this topic....very strong indeed!

One has to think deeply and ponder all the varieties of responses.

Let me add one more thought into the mix.....my gurudeva, A.C.

Bhaktivedanta Swami, mentioned occasionally to his disciples that

the last straw which drove him to finally take sannyas was when his

wife traded his Srimad Bhagavatam for tea. She had threatened, and

he told her, " tea, or me " ......she made the choice. So, there is

definitely a line which a sadhu must draw, of being willing to

tolerate only to a certain extent.

Are there offenses to the concepts of Guru, shastra, or sadhu in

the home? Analyze this before deciding whether it is a fit place

to reside. And then know, that purification will surely take place

once having departed.....again, another story from the life of my

guru, is that shortly after leaving for sannyas, he was gored by a

bull. I do not remember so much the story, but it is documented in

various places.....there is a biography six volumes called Srila

Prabhupada Lilamrta if you have inclination. Even one whose only

intent WAS and IS to spread bhakti, to give an opportunity to others

to learn Sanatan dharma....still....so much pain and suffering on an

external level. So, know that whatever you choose, you must come

to the level of " atmarama " finding pleasure in the self alone. This

level is very high....and to attain it, you may certainly need to

take steps to seek out exalted association....the Lord will guide

you if you sincerely cry out to Him.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

Finally a short practical event from every day life:

 

You are in a car which stops at a signal. A beggar spreads his hands

and you give say Dollar one to him. A friend sitting beside will

call that payment as " donation " . So will God.

 

You reach home and your son comes to you and seeks money. You give

him say Dollar one to him. Same friend will not call that payment as

donation. Nor will God.

 

Why?

 

Now compare these two payments. At both places you did your duty. At

both places you didn't expect money to be returned. At both places

you wanted the recepient to become happy. At both places you

renounced.

 

What was the difference between the two payments then? This is

question !

 

Answer is - To the beggar you never considered to be " mine " while

paying. But you considered your son to be " mine " while paying. What

else was the difference? This difference has changed the very karma

and its results.

 

If you give monthly expenses to your wife without considering,

inside your heart, her to be " mine " - Law of Karma will classify the

entire amount as " donation " . If not- bondage!

 

How easy ! How practical!! How Simple!!! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Hare Krishna

 

As I understand, Sanyaas should be taken only when one is completely

detached (teevra vairagya). In some cases such a soul does not

renounce world, in fact the world renounces him. Example of

Shukdevji fits the bill, whereas in case of Arjuna and Janaka etc

even after realization they did not take sanyaas. A sadhak should

make his spiritual practice in accordance with the situation he is

in. If solitude becomes must for sadhak's spiritual progress then

God will change his situation where he can do his sadhan alone.

 

Sadhak's duty is only to serve others and not to find anyone's

fault. If anyone's fault is visible then rather than hating him,

sadhak should pity him and pray to God for his welfare. The biggest

point in serving is to fulfill other's ethical wishes. He should not

force his spiritual views on worldly people, because it will prove

counter-productive. Swamiji gave discourses only to serve humanity.

He never sported attitude of " I can improve others. I am more

knowledgeable than others etc " . Whatever Swamiji gave He gave only

with the intention to serve. We should also carry the same sentiment.

 

Hare Krishna,

 

Varun P. Paprunia

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Jai Hanuman

 

 

 

Yeah ! It is Marcus Brutus " Dear Julius Ceaser !! Dear Bhaiyya !

Hope you didn't mind my arrow like response. We at GT Group are like

a family. I keep on taking such liberties. Bad habit according to my

Hubby. In fact, I had to go through a snub from my Hubby but then I

wrote what indeed I felt right. Welcome to this family. Please keep

writing and contributing. You are now a part of really selfless and

divine forum. Please keep sharing your views. In fact " Et tu Brutus "

I should also say because of your humble and genuine approach and

your capacity to appreciate such brutal attack. Hats Off to you. May

Lord Krishna be always with you. Indeed you have a heart made of

Gold. This world is sustained on the strength of people like you.

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

 

Shashikala

 

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Dear Sir,

 

Since you are still young at 53, you should devote some more years

in doing your karma by doing social work of your liking and to the

uplift of down trodden and poor people.

 

Best regards,

Sivaraman.V

 

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Jai Hanuman

 

We as humans have to face this peculiar creation made by God as an

acid test.This world is simply an examination hall for each and

every human being. Here is the world which like greggary(sweet) or

salt from which ever side or way you " consume " it is sorrowful.

(DUKHALAYAM) Biggest treachery comes from the closest people. There

is no way a permanent element can derive pleasure out of temporary

element. Now what is our role? How to go about it? How to conquer?

How to pass with distinction marks from this examination?

 

Art of Living in this world as taught by Swamiji is simple. Don't

try to change the circumstances. Change yourself. Don't judge

others. Judge yourself. Problem is that generally we judge others

and pardon ourselves. It should be reverse. Once you concentrate on

your duties and others' rights - you are on right path. But ego does

not often let us do that. We often end up talking about our rights

and others' duties. How wife should behave, how children should

behave etc etc. What we don't pay attention to is that " talking "

doesnot help. Conduct or silent example setting before the kids

helps.If you want some one to live as per Gita- the best way is to

live yourself as per Gita. At the appropriate hour the vibrations

will be caught by the children. Any hurry or insistence invariably

gets counter productive. You have no capacity to mould others as per

your wishes. That you can't do. You have capacity to mould yourself

as per wishes of others. That you can do. Where is the wisdom in

attempting what we can't do and ignoring what we can do !

 

I oppose bitterly this " mind " only because it always suggests what

we can't do. From the perspective of mind it is natural because it

exists in " nothingness " only- past/future! But from ever

existing " self " point of view- it proves fatal. Hence scriptures ask

you to drop reliance on mind.

 

Once we are on right path- what is my duty - the result in due

course is miraculous and unbelievable !!

 

What is the result ? Result is that " dukhalayam " gets converted

practically into " God " Himself (Vasudevah Sarvam) ! Once you don't

desire anything from anyone - then that anyone becomes God -as far

as you are concerned. This is something which sounds extra ordinary

but my experience has taught me that it is true.

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sadhak

Dear Suresh Sharma

I feel while remaining with the family, you can still have God

realisation by having detached view, Sakshi bhav, surrendering

fruits of all actions to God, leaving Karta Bhav and of course

meditation and Bhakti to wards Supreme God what so ever name you

call him

Thanks

 

 

G K Agrawal

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Hare Krsna

 

Respected Suresh ji

 

I have been following your mail and the replies. I fully understand

you confusion. Please don't lose your faith in Sri Krishna. Give

your thought or desire some time. If your faith and devotion is

strong and it doesn't deplete with time and surroundings and

circumstances Sri Krishna will show you some way out. In the

meantime completely surrender to Sri Krishna. He will take care of

your problem.As Sri Krishna states in the BG 9:22 " Ananyas

cintayanto maam ye.....yoga-ksemam vahamy aham "

 

Hare Krsna

" srivally k "

 

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Hari Om

 

Sharmaji ! Did you observe what Mike told ? " I don't judge " ! How

can you judge creation made by our Great Father ? After all we are

His children only - nothing more! Consider the " certainty " flowing

out of Mike's expression and experience! I told you before that you

are " pure " (open) hearted person ! This is how spiritual

reconciliations take place- notwithstanding

culture/caste/colour/country/civilisation etc !!! That is where Holy

Gitaji and Saints like Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj shine like Polar

Star!

 

" My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this! "

 

That is real " advice " ! That is what is " warranted " !! You can't

be " Judge " in this world made by Paramatma !! That is " Satsanga " !

That is " nectar " ! That is " Divine " ! This is " Mantra " ! This

is " guidance " ! Believe me on that ! ( I am taking this liberty of

asking you to " believe me " because you addressed the Question to me,

too )

 

That propels you to shed your " ego " ,your " intellect " ,

your 'mind, " .your " " mamata " (mineness) , your " likings " ( Raag) and

your " dislikings " (Dvesha) !.That requires you to get rid of

your " antahkarana " - by not acknowledging the same to be " yours " !

 

That makes you subdued too. That also makes you a child. That is

reality. That is " SAT " within the meaning of Gitaji.

 

That is " viveka " (Conscience), my Dear Sharmaji !

 

This is " Geeta Talk Group " ! Most certainly this is " Humanity " !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Dear Sharmaji,

 

I don't see why you have to go any where.

If you are comfortable in the place you have lived all these years,

just stay there. If not, just find a surrounding you are comfortable

with.

You already love Gita Ji and also have been deeply influenced by

the books of a particular Swami. You have Internet, pretty much

wherever you are. Just translate sections of the book you like

to English. If it is already in English, re-write in your words.

Share your insight with others, who may be interested.

That is one way to spread your learning among others who may not

have thought of such things, but not averse to it.

Even if you can spread it to one other individual, that is plenty.

You can also share on the Internet. Start a blog site to

post your insights.You are all ready in parama-satsangh.

Joyfully participate in life- you can only do it, when you have

internally withdrawn.

 

 

Enjoy

 

KST

Koti Sreekrishna

 

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Dear Suresh Sharmaji, Let us follow the Lord in doing good karma and

you can think of joining us . --Prem

 

 

Prem Kumar Khullar

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Dear Shashikala bahan,

 

Et tu Brutus.

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Dear Sadhna Karigar ji,

 

Much help indeed.

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Dear Mike,

 

Your affection has wrapped me from all sides. (Manas : ab mohi bha

bharos

Hanumanta / Binu harikripa milahi nahi santa - Now, I am convinced

Hanuman that

without God’s grace, we cannot even meet the saints)

__________________

 

Dear Pratap Bhatt ji,

 

Your words have opened my eyes, and they make me sad also, though I

know the

truth of ‘shubhashubh prityagi’

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Dear Baiya Sathyanarayan,

 

Your words are like torch to me. I can now see the path more clearly.

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Dear Raj Kumar ji,

 

You make my heart weep and my eyes damp, out of sheer happiness.

This forum has

really helped me. Krishna’s grace †" unbounded and all around.

________________________

 

Dear Capt Johann Samuhanand,

 

Much grateful for the kind words and guidance, easy to practise.

 

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Dear Bandook Singh ji,

 

I will continue my duties towards all †" vasudhaiv kutumbkam.

 

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Dear Vyas ji,

 

Bura jo dekhan mai gaya, bura na milya koi

Jo ghat dekha aapna, mujhse bura no koi.

 

Once again thank you all for your valuable guidance and making me

see the light in right perspective. I will continue my job and

remain with the family - reading scriptures, attending satsang,

meeting saints and leading a life in a yagyamaya manner.

 

Kindest regards,

Suresh C Sharma

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Dear Sadhak,

The situations you just described are excellent circumstances for

God realization-

1. Free from reponsibilies

2. Free from worldly attachments

3. Considering yr self total failure means no dependency on yr own

strength

 

So instead of putting yr self in Golden Cage(due to attachment to

satvik guna) you should completely surrender yr self to God and be

free(jeevanmukta)

In my opinion you should insist on Paramatma Prapti(God realization)

not on ritualistic sanyaas or good company etc.Do satsang,go and

spend time in ashram, live with realized souls, but always look

inside, and know that I am God's and only God is mine. Knowledge,

devotion and liberation all will come with this knowing only.

 

With lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Sureshji,

 

Your predicament was summed up so well by a comment made by Jeshua

the

Nazarene, " a prophet is not without honor except in his own country

and in his own house " . I just recently made a comment on send to

entire group at another time)

Your country is the World of the Spirit, I have gone through the very

things you have gone through believe you me, I too live in the World

of the Spirit, we dwell in the same land, not Geographically you

understand.

Did not Sri Ramakrishna Paramahams, say God is closer than your skin,

if the good Swami was correct, you do not have to go anywhere to find

'The Beloved', I sure you know 'He' dwells in your heart.

It took me years to come to terms with things like Christmas, I

saw/see it as a time of gluttony and excess, built on a fable,

borrowing from the Pagans,(no disrespect to the Pagans intended).

I had to detach or go mad, but also honor the good things that happen

,like decent organizations that give the poor and destitute a decent

feed at that time, and we by presents that can be distributed to the

poor.

My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this!

Of course the family know me as an oddball, but also they know me as

one without hate, one who will help when there is need.

I have been blessed with so much Divine Love, I have met so many,

many, Great Souls, what a Divine forum this is, is it not?

In passing I am retired but am a very busy person.

 

With Respect and Divine Love,

 

Mike Keenor

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Sureshji, I read your respectful responses to

sadhakas who attempted to answer your question on retirement and

sanyas. My experience tells me that if you have so many reasons to

retire and take sanyas, chances are it will not work for you,

particularly when these reasons are: you don't like situation and/or

behavior of people around you.It sounds like you may be forcing it

upon you(I may be wrong). I am not saying they(spouse/children) are

right in their own rights, but to think " they are wrong and

therefore, you have nothing to do with them " may be the the wrong

thinking as I see it. When one doesn't have any reasons, but only

happiness/love in whatever and wherever one is placed(not where one

places oneself), then, by all means, retirement and sanyas will work

better for one. We generally try to do or undo things to be happy

which, at best, works for short time and we are already looking for

something else to do or undo out of boredom.When we are already

happy and loving, then we do or undo things as if we are playing to

celebrate the life, because we are not looking to get anything which

will make us happy, we just are!I have learnt from life never to

possess another human being be that person your spouse, children,

friends, siblings, parents or whoever. Sometimes we possess by

making someone guilty or self pitying ourselves in front of them or

demands on them, or all such subtle tricks. One's sincerity and

honesty with oneself and above all love for truth will show the next

step. Namaskar

Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadak,Bagavan said, " Loka Sheman Vahamiyam " . Means HE takes

care of the whole creation. So dont worry who will teach your

grandchildren. Your time is running out. Only you have to put your

effort which only will work out. Mostly seekers left homes and

stayed amidst nature to avoid social obligations such as marriages

etc. Even saints living with family were also remained detached and

so they were called excentric.This birth balance time can be

untilised purposefully in Sat Sangh, Bajans, Namasankeethan Etc.

Control all emotions, aviod being slave to toung (taste and talk),

see only God`s statue, walk only to temples, your free time spend in

meditation.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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My respectable Sharma ji,

 

I am a 44 year old Police officer in Delhi Police and for at least

20 years of my life I had been privileged to attend the Satsangas of

Swami Ramsukhdasji alongwith reading of his books (particularly the

book " Geeta Probodhini " , which influenced my life, greatly).

Sharmaji, for the last few years I have also been going through the

same social situations as has been described by you and the same

thoughts also come to my mind. I have tried my best to search for

the so called " serenity under a Banyan Tree " but found it no where.

My dear elder brother, we should not forget that we have some basic

needs in our life to be taken care of, so long as we are (rather we

have to) dragging the loathsome weight of this body and for that

very purpose we need society, which I donot think, is wrong. With

the increase of age, our medical needs also increase, which cannot

be avoided.

 

Now comes the burning question, then " Where to Go " ? My dear

brother, with all my sincerety, honesty and experience ( whaterver I

have gained by the grace of my Gurudev) I very truly and whole-

heartedly request you to please take refuge in ATMA. This is the

only place I have found to be most secluded and Serene. When you

are established in your realself, ATMA and when you have made

Brahmakar Vritti, you will find real great bliss, satisfaction and

the most Serene Place in your life, no matter where you are sitting,

whether in a birthday party or marriage party etc. Sir, as and when

you try to run away from these places, I am sorry to say, you

unknowingly create another bindings of Raga and Dwesha, which simply

add another hurdle in your way to attain real and eternal tranqality

in your life which you can attain even while sitting in your office

or at home.

 

Gaining Brahmakar Vritti is neither easy nor difficult. All it

depends on our sincerity. Try this-- throw away all intelligence

you have gained throughout your life, feel like an innocent child

and surrender yourself to God. Cry and cry desperately for him like

an innocent stubborn child. Feel yourself like Arjuna and listen

Him preeching Geeta. (Geeta Probodhini is best) Believe me, He

will come to your rescue and make the way.

 

If ever in Rishikesh, I can suggest satsang opportunity.

Ram Ram

 

Raj Kumar

 

Dear Sharmaji,

I read with interest your post and reply by friends.You say your

family responsibilities are over. But from what you write about your

son,daughter and wife that you are deeply involved in their views and

way of life though they are adults.Your main problem is trying to

control their way of life to yours and just because they as adults

donot agree with your way of life, you tend to blame them and also

your way of bringing up. You think you failed somewhere. You are

absolutely wrong in your view.Your wife and children have been

magnanimous in not enforcing their view or way of life on you . You

want to go on world tour or Indian tour of theertha places, i am sure

your family will allow it. do that and you will understand what is

GEETHA OR DHARMA.

With kind regards.

captain Johann samuhanand

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

Bhaiyya Sharmaji ! Very good Jee !! Bhabhiji should not eat

Golgappes because you don't like Golgappes !! Excellent Jee! Wahe

Guru! She should become like a " Gandhari " – is it? If children get

happy by birthday gifts, you feel they are becoming greedy !

Superlative Jee !! Why will they learn that as they become happy by

taking, there is someone becoming happy by giving also ? You don't

like what your son is doing ( Cellphone/ TV addiction) , good –

understandable ! But then what is objection to you , if he does not

like your watching News on TV ? Whatever " I LIKE SHOULD HAPPEN " –

Is that what you are suggesting, My Dear Bhaiyya ?? What is wrong

with Bhabhiji and kids if they expect you to behave in accordance

with their wish, particularly when you yourself have same

attitude ?. Hence they are in complete tandem with you !! Bolo

Jee !! Boliye Sir !

 

Your complaint is that Mrs Sharma is a great supporter of Son.

Anything wrong there? Are you not a supporter of your son? Who

doesnot support Sons/Daughters? If she is supporting a wrong

conduct , according to you, then it is her dereliction of duties.

Why you should transfer yourself under a banyan tree? If your

nephews etc do not approve of your Gita ways of living, then you

should take sanyaas? Which way is this Bhaiyyaji? Bolo ! " GITA WAY

OF LIVING " !! Approval of nephews/nieces is necessary for you? They

told you honestly that they are too young. Remember your being at

that age!

 

" Rajasic/Tamasic Creepers " !! These are the words you used for God's

children !! Pray to night before the God and say sorry to God –

don't forget to do that !! On one hand, you have registered your

house in the name of my Bhabhiji ( What a great love and

affection) , on the other hand you cannot even tolerate a sight of

her peacefully taking bites of delicious golgappes- which kind of

SAMATA ( EQUANIMITY) is this? Is not clearly a love / mineness

hidden beneath the outer layer of hate? Former is RAAG as per Gita.

Latter is DVESHA as per Gita ! Under which banyan tree you will find

practical situations like this to become EQUANIMOUS?

 

She is working in a bank. She does not need your Retirement cheque.

OK ! Now don't leave the job. Don't make them happy. Say You are not

retiring, Jee ! BECOME " Viviktadeshasevitvam " ( referred by you)

while remaining at home only. Become also " Asaktaranbhishvangam

putra daar griha dishu " ( Referred in previous sloka of BG 13).

Start accumulating money EXCLUSIVELY FOR YOURSELF AND ONLY FOR

YOURSELF_ for next 4/5 years. Don't even give an air of your current

pay cheques. Talk sweetly ! Try to throw bitterness from your

conduct. Inside your heart, there should not be an anger in you for

them, nor an ego in you as to how they will manage, nor a worry in

you, nor an impetuosity in you to know their reactions. Nor should

there be any outer proclamation of revolutionary conduct by you.

NOTHING in front. Let them ignore you. Let them drive their own

lives. When they demand anything from you, then take a call. There

you should think- CAN I DO AND SHOULD I DO ?

 

Keep in touch Jee !

 

Namaste Jee

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sharmaji Your problem is that you are too good a person but

you are taking care of your family in an obliging manner. Now

that the children have grown up and they have started reflecting

upon in their own way- you still desire an attention by them

towards you. You feel the family should circle around your wishes,

tantrums, and thoughts. Come what may- it will not happen. It is not

correct for you to so expect. Spiritualism arises from within-

Sharmaji ! It can not be inflicted by an injection in the

youngsters. Ladies across the globe are like that only. At least

yours is earning and then eating Pani puri. God may create

circumstances in which instead of pani puri ,the very you get

eaten. There is nothing unusual emanating out of your narration

which can drive you to take sanyaas . Dont give much attention to

them. Concentrate on yourself. All are good. All are of God only.

This world has been made in such a manner that it in the end imparts

sorrow only. Hence dont think of going anywhere merely because your

beloveds are not behaving as you like them to do. It is injustice.

Ignore them. Pay attention to your duties and not to the duties of

others.

 

Regards Bandook Singh

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Hari Om

 

My Dear Sharmaji ! Thanks for honest expressions. You indeed have a

pure heart. But Facts as they appear to me are that ONLY you are at

fault- I seek your forgiveness. That every soul is self

centered /selfish is not something which is a new revelation. That

nobody except Paramatma is you/yours/for you is crystal clear to

you, me and all. PROBLEM WITH ALL OF US IS THAT WE KNOW BUT WE DON'T

ACCEPT TILL WE GET SHOCKS ! We know that this body, world, kith and

kin are not ours but still we complain that they don't listen to

words of wisdom. Now what is special about it? It is so ab initio.

But going under some banyan tree is not the answer to your emotional

confusions and complaints. Bitterness, complaint,

frustration,dejection,helplessness, rejection of present status,

expectations of a better conduct from your beloveds, feeling of self

worthlessness , likings , dislikings, cold anger, desire, all of

them are existing inside you and you only. Will your mind not emit

those emotions under a banyan tree? Will the memories not haunt you

there? Believe me – they will !

 

Now what to do ? Consider if you are so insistent on the following.

1. Don't leave the job 2. Take a small house nearby your existing

house on rent and shift there- all alone.3. Stop spending a penny on

any one except on yourself. 4. If kith and kin come to you, tell

them with folded hands --, " Thanks. Now I shall concentrate on

myself.I have a lot to do for myself. Please don't worry about me. I

shall take care of myself. Please be happy. God Bless you, all " .

Then start your sadhana as a " Bhakti Yogi " . ( My earlier suggestion

was reg Karma Yoga).

 

Start concentrating on " self " . Start eliminating- as Shashikalaji

told you- " Raag " ( Likings) and " Dvesha " ( Dislikings) from your

conduct. Your real enemies are Raag and Dvesha. Try to put "

Equanimity " in your conduct. What is the problem to you if Mrs

Sharma likes " golgappes " ? According to you she should eat only what

you want her to eat – Is it? This is example of Raag/Dvesha ! You

have to conquer this. No you cant make youngsters behave as you want

them to behave. YOU CANNOT ! Can you control your own mind and body?

No !

 

You need a lot to do with your own reference!

 

Believe in what Swamiji says in Sadhak Sanjeevani or Sadhan Sudha

Sindhu. Believe that nothing is yours. Believe that " I am of God

and ONLY God is mine. " Never give up your job – else there is a

danger that you shall lose both ends. " DUVIDHA MAIN DONO GAYE ,

MAYA MILI NA RAAM " ( In dilemma, I lost both. World as well as

God) ! Start implementing Swamiji's teachings. You have reached to

present state of " Vairagya " ( Dispassion) only because you served

in the past your wife and children. SERVICE DESTROYS MINENESS- it is

a principle given for benefit of entire humanity by Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. Live such dozens and dozens of laws/principles

stated by Taat Shree in His books/discourses/messages etc.

Concentrate more on that !!

 

There are other methods also. Keep writing/reading. You are in a

right, divine forum.

 

Your kith and kin shall ignore you only so long as you consider them

to be " yours " . The moment you really believe that they are not

yours, they will become " Godly " for you ! Try this !! All dirt is

there in " mineness " only.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas NB

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Respected All,

 

I am greatful for the guidance.

 

Dear Sadhna Karigar ji, very sensible indeed. My problem is that I am

a total failure or misfit in the society. I do not attend the

marriage parties where lot of noisy filmy songs and DJ dances etc.

make me sick even if I keep safe distance. I do not attend birthday

parties because the children celebrating the birthdays are more

interested in the gifts they get " we the gift-givers turn

them into greedy beings. I do not approve of my only son's obsession

with learning modern filmy dance and his addition to cell phone and

TV (he does not like even my watching the news channel) " I am a

total failure as a father for no fault of mine. I cannot take my

wife for outings because she is fond of eating " golgappe " etc and

above all she is a great supporter of her son's activities basically

completely spoiling him from spiritual point of view and making him

into a socially clever fellow. My daughter is in the job and

interested in getting materialistically rich just like any other

young lady. My nephews and niece do not approve of my Gita's way of

life, they say they are too young for these boring things. No one in

my family circle is interested in Swamiji's literature, but in Shani

Mandir and tantrik puja etc. I have realized to the core of my

heart that I cannot change or influence anyone in my family for their

real betterment. Wife and son are feeling happy at my idea of

premature retirement as they will get a few more lakhs of rupees.

Wife works in a bank. I am not finding fault with anyone, but that

is their " prarabdha " . Should I continue to be in the family to

nourish the " rajsik and tamsik " creepers (though all this

is " vasudevam sarvamiti " )? It would be a pleasure should I

become manure for any " satvik " plant.

 

Gita also teaches - Viviktadeshsevitvam, aratirjansansadi (dwelling

in a secluded place and lack of desire to be in the crowd) supports

my decision to seek sanyas. Though I want to be in the company of

the saints " bodhyantah parasparam " .

 

Dear Prem Khullar ji, while I agree with you fully, and by seeking

retirement and entering into the Sanyas, I am sure I can better

serve God's needy creatures with more freedom and time. I have been

studying and conserving birds and their habitats in Haryana since

1976 ˜sarvabhoot hite ratah " .

 

Dear N K Srinivasan ji, nice suggestion. I want to have regular and

continuous ˜darshanâ " of saints ˜gyan vigyan astikyam "

 

Shashikala bahan, I am a complete failure in family life and will be

a big failure if I persist in my meaningless social efforts. I am

reading the scriptures in general and Sadhak Sanjivani / Sadhak

Sudha Sindhu in particular. Your arguments are faultless, yet I want

to run away from the consumerist society and want to lead a perfect

peaceful natural life under some banyan tree in an ashram. Your

˜bhabhi " is interested in money and will be happy to get my post-

retirement cash and monthly pension; I have already registered the

house in her name. For myself, I do not need much and out of my Rs

15000 plus monthly pension, I just need one fifth of it at the most.

I do not think in this modern society my family members, present

and/or would be, will be interested in a ˜yagyaacharatah karma " Let

them be in their fool's paradise (if I can use the term of Henry

David Thoreau).

 

Dear Mahalaksmi Dasi ji, I appreciate your optimism. But I am a sort

of " sarvaarambh prityagi " .

 

Dear Hari Shanker Deo, I am seeking company of spiritual people and

something within me says " get out of this dirty consumerist social

life " .

 

Dear Vineet Sarvottam ji, Is there some Ashram in Churu also? Yes,

you are right. I recall Kabir's vani ˜rahna nahi, desh begana hai "

 

Dear Vyas ji, I am indeed indebted to you for detailed guidance,

practical and yet spiritual.

 

Still, I am a little confused.

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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Sir,

You must develop faith on our scriptures and establish firm

relationship with Gita itself can give you guidance on where to go,

what to do etc. Me too is 53 by age but I never feel my age because

I am engaged in service. Never worry about future or my past. We

must live in present. We are never free from responsibilities. Our

main duty is to know and serve. The more we know the more we serve.

Offer our service to the Lord while doing and we must leave it. Take

up the next till the Central Government terms end. We never end our

karma till the time of our departure from here. So that do not think

about a retirement from central government job. Still you can get

engaged in Gita service and the service with the Lord if you change

your attitude, not your situation. You have no control over the

situation only control is to develop over your mind.

Love, krishna das.

 

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If at some point in time when you are closer to a decision, you can

help us to help the needy children for their education, health and

mind.

 

Padmanabhan Sundaram

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhak,

Swamiji Ramsukhdasji, never encouraged such things as like taking

early retirement , he never asked anyone to leave the job and take

sanyaas (as far as I understand his teachings.)

yr desire could be called a Satvik desire, but no matter what desire

leads to sufferings. So Swamiji says-donot even desire for

liberation/mukti.

Only desire for God is Worth desiring.Have only one desire-

Krishna/God and He will show you the path to reach Him.

 

Yogusth kuru karmani(Do yr karma while established in Yoga)

Working or retired doesnot obstruct yr path for self

enlightenment.Start yr spiritual journey RIGHT NOW, at this very

moment, wherever you are.Donot make it a future goal.

 

Nasto Vidhyate Bhao, Nabhao vidhyate satah (Gita 2:16)

The unreal has no existence and the real has no cessation...

So nomatter where you are the Real is with you every moment and the

unreal is leaving you every moment.

 

Detachment from the unreal is sanyaas, and knowing the difference

between what is real and what is unreal is Knowledge (Gita Ch 13 &

14)

 

Accepting everything as God's is Bhakti (Vasudev Sarvam)

 

Now tell me to follow any of these paths-karma yoga, gyaan yoga or

bhakti yoga, where do you need to go ?

Nowhere/anywhere/everywhere ?

 

Kasturi Kundal basi mrig dhundhe van mahi---(the aroma is coming out

from deer's own naval but he is running in the forest to find the

source/ Krishna/God is sitting right in our heart, but we are trying

to find Him outside)

 

with lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Suresh Sharma ji,

 

WHERE TO GO ? WHERE CAN YOU GO ? NO WHERE . EVERY THING IS HERE . I

was an air force officer for 22 years. I retired 27 years back . I

am here running a 50 bed charitable hospital and various programs.

READ GITA , FOLLOW IT AND DO NOT BOTHER ABOUT THIS LIFE AND DEATH '

CHAKKAR'. It will be what ever it may be or whatever it has to be .

 

SERVE THE WORLD TO THE HILT - CEASELESSLY ,UNENDLESSLY AND FOR EVER.

LOVE

 

PREM KHULLAR

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Dear Sharmaji,

After retirement,I would suggest that you visit several pilgrim

centres and sacred temples,like a Parivrajika, with a few items with

you.Asmall suitcase and a bag.By such visits, your mind will be

purified and also you will learn more about our poeple ,their forms

of devotion and thier simple,humble ways.The railway tickets are

quite low and you need not sppend much.After say two or three years

of religious wandering or pilgrimages, you can select a place or

ashram or suitable palce to stay...This I learnt after my own

wanderings after the age of sixty.You are much younger and should be

easy for you.You will learn more about Bharat,our motherland after

that.

Regards,

In Shirdi Sai Smaran,

N K Srinivasan

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Jai Hanuman

 

No Bhaiyya Sharmaji. This " more or less over " with reference

to " duties " of marital life is not acceptable. Nor did I like your

last words - " where to go " !!

 

But your gesture/sentiment/approach is laudable- no questions about

the same!

 

WHERE TO GO ? - No where Dear. Remain where ever you are. Start now

a new life with no outer change. Concentrate on removing " Raag " (

Likings) and " Dvesha " (Dislikings) from your mind / intellect/

thoughts /psyche /person ! They are roots of your worldly stays of

past, present and future!

Read Scriptures/ Swamiji in spare time. Think about the soul, your

role in this Divine Lila !

 

By the way who are you to decide whether you should work or not? Did

you check up with Bhabhiji ( Mrs Sharma) ? Do as she says. No

arguments on this.

 

Have you planned adequately for your old age ? Who will instil God

in grand children? Who will guide them to righteousness? Who will

create cultural base for them and for the family ? Who will set

examples of selfless conduct? Who will make them better humans? Only

grand parents can do that- not the parents!

 

No Running away Bhaiyya! Stay put !! There are lot of things to do !

We will discuss if you actively participate !

 

Ever thought what should be your goal for balance life? It should

be " O God- I should not be coming back again in this world in any

type of body- unless you sponsor me as your representative for your

work. I should be free forever from this circle of birth and death " .

Think on these lines. Get rid of all worldly

attachments/connections/mineness by continuously and selflessly

serving all people around you with all the things you have - without

expecting anything from them in return In dreams even do not

visualise a situation where you get dependent over any worldly

body/thing. You get retired without actually retiring merely by

relinquishing dependence over the same ! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !!

 

Get free! Feel free ! Dream Free ! Seek freedom ! Remaining where

ever you are ! There is no need to go anywhere ! Make your home

itself a temple. Love all . See God in all. Don't establish

any " new " connection/relationship/attachment with any body/thing-

for getting anything worldly out of them. Concentrate on self and on

conscience.

 

KABIRA KHADA BAJAAR MAIN SABKI MAANGE KHAIR !

 

NA KAHOO SE DOSTI NA KAHOO SE VAIR !!

 

Says Saint Kabir - I am standing in this market (worldly life)

wishing good for all and sundry. I have neither any friends (

likings- Raag) nor any enemies (dislikings- Dvesha) !

 

That is real sanyaas ! My Dear Brother ! That is real retirement !

Not leaving or not leaving the Government Service !!

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

 

 

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My dandavat pranams to all in this fourm......responsibilities have

kept me so busy that I have neglected this beautiful forum, sadly.

In regard to this sacred question....what to do when one is

encountering the need to absorb oneself in spiritual practices for

oneself and others. I know that this is not exactly how the

question was worded, but truly, it is what I heard....because you

have come to the point of saying, " Where do I go from here " .....

indeed, age is not truly the criterion for one being ready to absorb

oneself in full devotion.....it is a point where one finally

accepts, " I have no business in this world save and except to live

for bhajan, for glorifying the lord, for providing knowledge of Gita

to others. "

 

I have accepted Los Angeles as my place to execute this

activity.....it is where the Lord has put me. Pray for guidance,

and it will come....Los Angeles has many, many groups of sadhaks, as

well as a very high level of vegetarian communities, vegan, raw,

east Indian, etc......and there are so so many people to give some

time and energy to as far as speaking on Bhagavat dharma. But than,

almost any city in the world these days, is needing Hari Katha to

purify the atmosphere.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

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Stay where you are. Seek a genuine Guru/Guru within. He will lead

you towards the right path. Meditate and seek the company of

spiritual people.

Hari Shanker Deo

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Shri Sureshji, This is the same question that I had asked Swamiji

fourteen years back, while considering retirement - (should I go to

Rushikul, or Churu, or Rishikesh, or Gorakhpur), then his reply is

something that is useful to you - " Brother, wherever you are, remain

there as is, always " longing and desiring " , then your work will be

done. Because that Paramatma which you think about attaining in

Gorakhpur, or Rishikesh etc. that very same Paramatma wholly and

entirely is at this very moment close to you, now and at all

times. What more, you yourself are wise and patient, but when it

comes to relationship with Paramatma, the impatience (that intense

longing) works ! Very well!

 

Vineet Sarvottam

 

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Hari Om

 

Dear Shri Sharmaji

 

At the outset welcome! Great things in life don't wait for any

retirement. No outside activity can accelerate your turning towards

the ultimate. If your family has slightest of the need for your

continuing doing the Govt Job - Please unhesitantly continue doing

that. Swamiji always advocated " 24 x 7 " work. Consider after having

fulfilled your responsibilities at this age of 53 ( I am also 53 and

have done all that is necessary for my family responsibilities,

married both daughters, a son and another son is ready for marriage,

all well settled- only difference is I am employed in private

sector) as to whether whatever you earn honourably and justfully out

of your employment- you should use them for welfare and benefit of

1. Those for whom you still have mineness/attachment (including your

body)- with a special sentiment always awakened in you inside that "

they are not you/yours/for you " 2 Those for whom you have no

mineness/attachment.

 

That is one way you can plan. Check up with your better half if she

wants you to continue working. If she says even " may be " or " as you

think fit " - work! Work so that you may never seek economic

dependence upon anyone for rest of your life. Work so that you may

be of help to category 2 people ( stated in preceding paragraph)!

Work in government without accepting anything extra. Live there like

a lotus in water. You can. You should. Work so that you may see God

whereever you get engaged in.

 

Ensure that today you don't need anybody for anything pertaining to

your balance stay in this world. If you feel some are dependent upon

you( say wife)- serve them with double intensity and speed.

 

But keep a thought burning inside you - " I am of God, Only God is

mine, nothing else is mine " . Don't expect anything from anybody-

even from God. Keep utilising whatever you have for benefit and

welfare of whoever comes in touch with you - if you can and if you

should.

 

All extra time in your life should be utilised in reading Swamiji's

books, Gita, Ramayana, listening to Swamiji's pravachans, singing

bhajans, doing keertans and remaining in good company always.

 

This is one way. Another totally different way - next time.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

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Great idea!!!!!

I have been doing the same because I have also been influenced very

deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. We might be able to do share some

thoughts on some projects

 

Satya Kalra

 

 

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Respected Vyasji and others,

 

I am 53 and may seek premature retirement from my central govt

service. Married and family responsibilities are more or less over.

 

I want to spend my post-retirement life in the company of Gita

scholars/students/lovers. I have been influenced deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj.

 

Can you kindly guide me where to go?

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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NEW POSTING

 

Dear Varun ji,

 

I am indeed grateful to all of you who have lighted candles in my

dark room. The final result is that I am not seeking retirement from

my office and will continue to remain with the family.

 

When I mentioned something about my family members, my purpose was

not to judge/degrade them. It was merely that I as a hubby, as a

father, as a guardian, in my social context was feeling exhausted

like an old cow, unable to yield milk and then the owners deciding

to sell it to the butcher and get some money.

 

Now, when I am convinced that the family members like many many

others in the world are heading towards the bottomless well/pit and

are not listening to the wise counsels of the great saints then, how

long will I continue dragging myself towards the pit with them? My

possessive wife does not stop me from reading scriptures, rather she

assists me in that, but because she out of her own insecurity and

cruel possessiveness of me feels a little comfortable that " at

least, the hubby is at home " Her " God puja " consists of single point

" sakaam bhavâ " that hubby remains in her grip and so remains other

members of the family (Shashikala bahan, I AM NOT TERMING MY WIFE

IS COPPER AS IRON, BUT DO NOT EXPECT ME TO CALL HER COPPER AS GOLD).

When I use the word " creepers " for her and other members, my aim was

not " creep " but the creeping plant which wants to grow up always

seeking support, i.e., dependency on others. Let me assure my

learned readers/participants that I am nearly detached " but I love

to be with nature, eco-friendly ashrams, Gita loving people, simple

and honest persons " not because of some desire/lust, because as the

Swamiji mentions " underground water is everywhere, but our purpose

is served only by the handpump/well "

 

Life so far, in family context, has been a " Tale told by an idiot,

full of sound and fury, signifying nothing " , borrowing from

Shakespeare and its end if continued the way my wife and others want

me to go on, will be ˜not with a bang, but with a whimper " again

borrowing from T.S. Eliot.

 

I was not talking of sanyaas/retirement to become something

else " when there is lot of noise coming from the loudspeakers around

you (round the clock), the only option is either get out for some

other place or put some earplugs for ever. Nevertheless, woman is a

purgatory " no one knows better than I do.

 

I have been to the Gita Bhawan, Rishikesh several times and was

present there when the Swamiji breathed his last but detached and

aloof. If someone can please tell whom I should meet there, I will

not waste a single day and will be happy to travel to Rishikesh

again.

 

Thank you all from the core of my heart. All of you have helped me a

lot and thanks a lot to the moderator for running such a wonderful

divine group. You have not only taken me to the divine water but

have made me to drink it.

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

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Dear sadaks,

 

To seek God or liberate or to do perfect sadhana (spiritual

disciplines) if these are within our efforts, we could have been

long ago become one with Godhood. Since we are only trying but not

with complete renunciation, we are coming back here again and again.

This is our experience. Sadhaks touch your hearts and say is this

not true? Truth is always like neem leaf taste - bitter. Illusion is

like sugar.

 

Mr. Sharma question is answered in so many angles. We have dealt so

much about surrender earlier.

 

One`s Karma only Bhagavan knows as HE said to Arjuna that past,

present and future HE knows. Mr. Suresh can stay where he is, he can

surrender to God, let HIM (Bhagavan) decide where and how to be.

Then the path will be perfect. Saying things like - you should do

like this, you have to see about your grandchildren, you have to see

to your parents, and so on. The truth is ultimately what happens is

HIS will. Just surrender and be relaxed like Prahalad.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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Sanyaas is one of the four Ashramas in our scriptures. Who is to

enter it, when is he to enter it, is dependent on the dictates of

the Shastras (scriptures) – not on our conveniences and

inconveniences faced in life. It is not an escape route.

 

Shri Bhagawaan has also said:

 

Tasmaat-shaastram pramaanam te kaarya-akaarya vyavasthitau/

Gyaatvaa shaastra-vidhaan-oktam karma kartum iha-arhasi// 16:24

 

" Therefore let the scriptures be the authority in determining what

ought to be done and what ought not to be. Having known what is

prescribed in the ordinance of scriptures, you should act

accordingly in this world. " (Gita 6:24)

 

Respectful regards,

 

Dr. Ranjeet Singh.

 

 

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Hare Krishna

 

Mahalakshmiji, you have indeed hit the bull's eye. No doubt about

it. Sureshji, if your family is stopping you from walking towards

God, then just renounce it. Don't give a second thought to it. After

death of this body, only dharma and God will go with you. No one

else.

But from your posting, it doesn't seem so. It seems that they are

not stopping you but they are merely disinterested of your

inclination towards spirituality.

 

Also your reason for Sanyaas is not detachment and dispassion but

dislike. The reason for this dislike is your family is not

conducting themselves as per your expectations. If you had not

expected anything from them then you wouldn't have been so confused.

 

And also one who has expectations how can he become a sanyaasi??

Lord says " Arjuna, you must know that what they call Sanyasa is no

other than Yoga; for none becomes a Yogi, who has not abandoned His

sankalpas(thoughts of the world) " (Gita 6.2)

 

Expectation comes only after sankalpa. After clinging on a worldly

thought, a desire erupts. (Gita 2.62) Sanyaas is for those who don't

have any worldly thoughts. You have failed in HSC (renouncement of

desire) but you want to pass post-graduation (sanyaas)!! [Graduation

is to be freed from worldly thoughts.]

 

Sureshji, please don't take theka of others. Just send your family

on a vacation, on a long long vacation. You might have read this in

Swamiji's books

 

TERE BHAVE JO KARE BARO BHULO SANSAR

NARAYAN TU BAITHKE APNO BHUVAN BHUVAR

 

Sir, just chill out and engage in God. Don't worry about them. God

is more worried about them than you can imagine. Just serve them and

break your mineness. That's it.

 

If you are still confused then go to Gita-Bhawan, (Rishikesh,

Swargashram) and take wise council of those souls who have been

closely associated with Swamiji for many years. Reveal to them all

what you said here and they will guide you surely.

 

Thanks,

 

Hare Krishna

Varun P. Paprunia

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Dear Suresh Sharma,

 

RETIREMENT WITH A MISSION IS LIKE A FLOWER WITH FRAGRANCE.

 

We greatly appreciate your willingness to seek suggestions for your

retirement era. Please consider tracing your roots and adopt and

rehabilitate your ancestral village. Everyone of us must take care

of our own mother, our own mother tongue and our own mother

(ancestral) village. the great need of this time is applied Bhagavad

Gita.

 

Sincerely,

A.V.Raghunath

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One has to go within and find the true self......

one has to practice whatever has been read and understood to

experience the true self....

Understanding is whole thing.....

 

Sushil Jain

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

Hari Om

 

Some final thoughts on the subject:

 

1 Never look out for an acknowledgement from family of what you have

done for them. It is a desire not liked by God. It hurts your

spiritual goals. A curt answer that whatever you did was your duty

will then hurt you more.

 

2 Never seek mercy from near and dears. An answer that you were

foolish enough will readily come. Self pity also doesn't make

surroundings really strong. It is contagious.

 

3 Never impose your thoughts over the family members. You will have

no answer to the counter question as to whether every soul is

independent or not.

 

AKKAL SHARIRA OOPAJE, DIYA LAAGE DAMB

 

Wisdom arises from within. If some body tries to impose it, he is

perceived as poisonous snake.

 

Don't invite disrespect for you.

 

4 Remember each soul is accumulating Karmas of their own. You have

got connected with them because of contractual karmic obligations

and the moment accounts are settled, all will part ways. It is a law.

 

5 Set examples of decent conduct irrespective of its immediate

results/reception. Children will use them when there is real need

for the same irrespective of your presence at that time.

 

6 Serve, Serve and Serve. Destroy mineness/ego/likings and

dislikings using one weapon only- expectationless service. That is

possible only when you are in your home- dealing with people who are

not " actually " yours. Once the thought comes in your mind that they

are not " yours " the service by you becomes real and divine and lifts

you spiritually. Before that it is " selfish " - arising out of

mineness and hence done for self and hence producing bondage. Lucky

are those guys who realise before serving that the servicee

is " actually " not mine.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

 

MY respects to all in this foorum....

I am noting the interest in this topic....very strong indeed!

One has to think deeply and ponder all the varieties of responses.

Let me add one more thought into the mix.....my gurudeva, A.C.

Bhaktivedanta Swami, mentioned occasionally to his disciples that

the last straw which drove him to finally take sannyas was when his

wife traded his Srimad Bhagavatam for tea. She had threatened, and

he told her, " tea, or me " ......she made the choice. So, there is

definitely a line which a sadhu must draw, of being willing to

tolerate only to a certain extent.

Are there offenses to the concepts of Guru, shastra, or sadhu in

the home? Analyze this before deciding whether it is a fit place

to reside. And then know, that purification will surely take place

once having departed.....again, another story from the life of my

guru, is that shortly after leaving for sannyas, he was gored by a

bull. I do not remember so much the story, but it is documented in

various places.....there is a biography six volumes called Srila

Prabhupada Lilamrta if you have inclination. Even one whose only

intent WAS and IS to spread bhakti, to give an opportunity to others

to learn Sanatan dharma....still....so much pain and suffering on an

external level. So, know that whatever you choose, you must come

to the level of " atmarama " finding pleasure in the self alone. This

level is very high....and to attain it, you may certainly need to

take steps to seek out exalted association....the Lord will guide

you if you sincerely cry out to Him.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

Finally a short practical event from every day life:

 

You are in a car which stops at a signal. A beggar spreads his hands

and you give say Dollar one to him. A friend sitting beside will

call that payment as " donation " . So will God.

 

You reach home and your son comes to you and seeks money. You give

him say Dollar one to him. Same friend will not call that payment as

donation. Nor will God.

 

Why?

 

Now compare these two payments. At both places you did your duty. At

both places you didn't expect money to be returned. At both places

you wanted the recepient to become happy. At both places you

renounced.

 

What was the difference between the two payments then? This is

question !

 

Answer is - To the beggar you never considered to be " mine " while

paying. But you considered your son to be " mine " while paying. What

else was the difference? This difference has changed the very karma

and its results.

 

If you give monthly expenses to your wife without considering,

inside your heart, her to be " mine " - Law of Karma will classify the

entire amount as " donation " . If not- bondage!

 

How easy ! How practical!! How Simple!!! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Hare Krishna

 

As I understand, Sanyaas should be taken only when one is completely

detached (teevra vairagya). In some cases such a soul does not

renounce world, in fact the world renounces him. Example of

Shukdevji fits the bill, whereas in case of Arjuna and Janaka etc

even after realization they did not take sanyaas. A sadhak should

make his spiritual practice in accordance with the situation he is

in. If solitude becomes must for sadhak's spiritual progress then

God will change his situation where he can do his sadhan alone.

 

Sadhak's duty is only to serve others and not to find anyone's

fault. If anyone's fault is visible then rather than hating him,

sadhak should pity him and pray to God for his welfare. The biggest

point in serving is to fulfill other's ethical wishes. He should not

force his spiritual views on worldly people, because it will prove

counter-productive. Swamiji gave discourses only to serve humanity.

He never sported attitude of " I can improve others. I am more

knowledgeable than others etc " . Whatever Swamiji gave He gave only

with the intention to serve. We should also carry the same sentiment.

 

Hare Krishna,

 

Varun P. Paprunia

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Jai Hanuman

 

 

 

Yeah ! It is Marcus Brutus " Dear Julius Ceaser !! Dear Bhaiyya !

Hope you didn't mind my arrow like response. We at GT Group are like

a family. I keep on taking such liberties. Bad habit according to my

Hubby. In fact, I had to go through a snub from my Hubby but then I

wrote what indeed I felt right. Welcome to this family. Please keep

writing and contributing. You are now a part of really selfless and

divine forum. Please keep sharing your views. In fact " Et tu Brutus "

I should also say because of your humble and genuine approach and

your capacity to appreciate such brutal attack. Hats Off to you. May

Lord Krishna be always with you. Indeed you have a heart made of

Gold. This world is sustained on the strength of people like you.

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

 

Shashikala

 

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Dear Sir,

 

Since you are still young at 53, you should devote some more years

in doing your karma by doing social work of your liking and to the

uplift of down trodden and poor people.

 

Best regards,

Sivaraman.V

 

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Jai Hanuman

 

We as humans have to face this peculiar creation made by God as an

acid test.This world is simply an examination hall for each and

every human being. Here is the world which like greggary(sweet) or

salt from which ever side or way you " consume " it is sorrowful.

(DUKHALAYAM) Biggest treachery comes from the closest people. There

is no way a permanent element can derive pleasure out of temporary

element. Now what is our role? How to go about it? How to conquer?

How to pass with distinction marks from this examination?

 

Art of Living in this world as taught by Swamiji is simple. Don't

try to change the circumstances. Change yourself. Don't judge

others. Judge yourself. Problem is that generally we judge others

and pardon ourselves. It should be reverse. Once you concentrate on

your duties and others' rights - you are on right path. But ego does

not often let us do that. We often end up talking about our rights

and others' duties. How wife should behave, how children should

behave etc etc. What we don't pay attention to is that " talking "

doesnot help. Conduct or silent example setting before the kids

helps.If you want some one to live as per Gita- the best way is to

live yourself as per Gita. At the appropriate hour the vibrations

will be caught by the children. Any hurry or insistence invariably

gets counter productive. You have no capacity to mould others as per

your wishes. That you can't do. You have capacity to mould yourself

as per wishes of others. That you can do. Where is the wisdom in

attempting what we can't do and ignoring what we can do !

 

I oppose bitterly this " mind " only because it always suggests what

we can't do. From the perspective of mind it is natural because it

exists in " nothingness " only- past/future! But from ever

existing " self " point of view- it proves fatal. Hence scriptures ask

you to drop reliance on mind.

 

Once we are on right path- what is my duty - the result in due

course is miraculous and unbelievable !!

 

What is the result ? Result is that " dukhalayam " gets converted

practically into " God " Himself (Vasudevah Sarvam) ! Once you don't

desire anything from anyone - then that anyone becomes God -as far

as you are concerned. This is something which sounds extra ordinary

but my experience has taught me that it is true.

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sadhak

Dear Suresh Sharma

I feel while remaining with the family, you can still have God

realisation by having detached view, Sakshi bhav, surrendering

fruits of all actions to God, leaving Karta Bhav and of course

meditation and Bhakti to wards Supreme God what so ever name you

call him

Thanks

 

 

G K Agrawal

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Hare Krsna

 

Respected Suresh ji

 

I have been following your mail and the replies. I fully understand

you confusion. Please don't lose your faith in Sri Krishna. Give

your thought or desire some time. If your faith and devotion is

strong and it doesn't deplete with time and surroundings and

circumstances Sri Krishna will show you some way out. In the

meantime completely surrender to Sri Krishna. He will take care of

your problem.As Sri Krishna states in the BG 9:22 " Ananyas

cintayanto maam ye.....yoga-ksemam vahamy aham "

 

Hare Krsna

" srivally k "

 

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Hari Om

 

Sharmaji ! Did you observe what Mike told ? " I don't judge " ! How

can you judge creation made by our Great Father ? After all we are

His children only - nothing more! Consider the " certainty " flowing

out of Mike's expression and experience! I told you before that you

are " pure " (open) hearted person ! This is how spiritual

reconciliations take place- notwithstanding

culture/caste/colour/country/civilisation etc !!! That is where Holy

Gitaji and Saints like Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj shine like Polar

Star!

 

" My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this! "

 

That is real " advice " ! That is what is " warranted " !! You can't

be " Judge " in this world made by Paramatma !! That is " Satsanga " !

That is " nectar " ! That is " Divine " ! This is " Mantra " ! This

is " guidance " ! Believe me on that ! ( I am taking this liberty of

asking you to " believe me " because you addressed the Question to me,

too )

 

That propels you to shed your " ego " ,your " intellect " ,

your 'mind, " .your " " mamata " (mineness) , your " likings " ( Raag) and

your " dislikings " (Dvesha) !.That requires you to get rid of

your " antahkarana " - by not acknowledging the same to be " yours " !

 

That makes you subdued too. That also makes you a child. That is

reality. That is " SAT " within the meaning of Gitaji.

 

That is " viveka " (Conscience), my Dear Sharmaji !

 

This is " Geeta Talk Group " ! Most certainly this is " Humanity " !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Dear Sharmaji,

 

I don't see why you have to go any where.

If you are comfortable in the place you have lived all these years,

just stay there. If not, just find a surrounding you are comfortable

with.

You already love Gita Ji and also have been deeply influenced by

the books of a particular Swami. You have Internet, pretty much

wherever you are. Just translate sections of the book you like

to English. If it is already in English, re-write in your words.

Share your insight with others, who may be interested.

That is one way to spread your learning among others who may not

have thought of such things, but not averse to it.

Even if you can spread it to one other individual, that is plenty.

You can also share on the Internet. Start a blog site to

post your insights.You are all ready in parama-satsangh.

Joyfully participate in life- you can only do it, when you have

internally withdrawn.

 

 

Enjoy

 

KST

Koti Sreekrishna

 

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Dear Suresh Sharmaji, Let us follow the Lord in doing good karma and

you can think of joining us . --Prem

 

 

Prem Kumar Khullar

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Dear Shashikala bahan,

 

Et tu Brutus.

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Dear Sadhna Karigar ji,

 

Much help indeed.

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Dear Mike,

 

Your affection has wrapped me from all sides. (Manas : ab mohi bha

bharos

Hanumanta / Binu harikripa milahi nahi santa - Now, I am convinced

Hanuman that

without God’s grace, we cannot even meet the saints)

__________________

 

Dear Pratap Bhatt ji,

 

Your words have opened my eyes, and they make me sad also, though I

know the

truth of ‘shubhashubh prityagi’

-------------------------

Dear Baiya Sathyanarayan,

 

Your words are like torch to me. I can now see the path more clearly.

--------------------------

Dear Raj Kumar ji,

 

You make my heart weep and my eyes damp, out of sheer happiness.

This forum has

really helped me. Krishna’s grace †" unbounded and all around.

________________________

 

Dear Capt Johann Samuhanand,

 

Much grateful for the kind words and guidance, easy to practise.

 

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Dear Bandook Singh ji,

 

I will continue my duties towards all †" vasudhaiv kutumbkam.

 

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Dear Vyas ji,

 

Bura jo dekhan mai gaya, bura na milya koi

Jo ghat dekha aapna, mujhse bura no koi.

 

Once again thank you all for your valuable guidance and making me

see the light in right perspective. I will continue my job and

remain with the family - reading scriptures, attending satsang,

meeting saints and leading a life in a yagyamaya manner.

 

Kindest regards,

Suresh C Sharma

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Dear Sadhak,

The situations you just described are excellent circumstances for

God realization-

1. Free from reponsibilies

2. Free from worldly attachments

3. Considering yr self total failure means no dependency on yr own

strength

 

So instead of putting yr self in Golden Cage(due to attachment to

satvik guna) you should completely surrender yr self to God and be

free(jeevanmukta)

In my opinion you should insist on Paramatma Prapti(God realization)

not on ritualistic sanyaas or good company etc.Do satsang,go and

spend time in ashram, live with realized souls, but always look

inside, and know that I am God's and only God is mine. Knowledge,

devotion and liberation all will come with this knowing only.

 

With lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Sureshji,

 

Your predicament was summed up so well by a comment made by Jeshua

the

Nazarene, " a prophet is not without honor except in his own country

and in his own house " . I just recently made a comment on send to

entire group at another time)

Your country is the World of the Spirit, I have gone through the very

things you have gone through believe you me, I too live in the World

of the Spirit, we dwell in the same land, not Geographically you

understand.

Did not Sri Ramakrishna Paramahams, say God is closer than your skin,

if the good Swami was correct, you do not have to go anywhere to find

'The Beloved', I sure you know 'He' dwells in your heart.

It took me years to come to terms with things like Christmas, I

saw/see it as a time of gluttony and excess, built on a fable,

borrowing from the Pagans,(no disrespect to the Pagans intended).

I had to detach or go mad, but also honor the good things that happen

,like decent organizations that give the poor and destitute a decent

feed at that time, and we by presents that can be distributed to the

poor.

My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this!

Of course the family know me as an oddball, but also they know me as

one without hate, one who will help when there is need.

I have been blessed with so much Divine Love, I have met so many,

many, Great Souls, what a Divine forum this is, is it not?

In passing I am retired but am a very busy person.

 

With Respect and Divine Love,

 

Mike Keenor

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Sureshji, I read your respectful responses to

sadhakas who attempted to answer your question on retirement and

sanyas. My experience tells me that if you have so many reasons to

retire and take sanyas, chances are it will not work for you,

particularly when these reasons are: you don't like situation and/or

behavior of people around you.It sounds like you may be forcing it

upon you(I may be wrong). I am not saying they(spouse/children) are

right in their own rights, but to think " they are wrong and

therefore, you have nothing to do with them " may be the the wrong

thinking as I see it. When one doesn't have any reasons, but only

happiness/love in whatever and wherever one is placed(not where one

places oneself), then, by all means, retirement and sanyas will work

better for one. We generally try to do or undo things to be happy

which, at best, works for short time and we are already looking for

something else to do or undo out of boredom.When we are already

happy and loving, then we do or undo things as if we are playing to

celebrate the life, because we are not looking to get anything which

will make us happy, we just are!I have learnt from life never to

possess another human being be that person your spouse, children,

friends, siblings, parents or whoever. Sometimes we possess by

making someone guilty or self pitying ourselves in front of them or

demands on them, or all such subtle tricks. One's sincerity and

honesty with oneself and above all love for truth will show the next

step. Namaskar

Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadak,Bagavan said, " Loka Sheman Vahamiyam " . Means HE takes

care of the whole creation. So dont worry who will teach your

grandchildren. Your time is running out. Only you have to put your

effort which only will work out. Mostly seekers left homes and

stayed amidst nature to avoid social obligations such as marriages

etc. Even saints living with family were also remained detached and

so they were called excentric.This birth balance time can be

untilised purposefully in Sat Sangh, Bajans, Namasankeethan Etc.

Control all emotions, aviod being slave to toung (taste and talk),

see only God`s statue, walk only to temples, your free time spend in

meditation.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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My respectable Sharma ji,

 

I am a 44 year old Police officer in Delhi Police and for at least

20 years of my life I had been privileged to attend the Satsangas of

Swami Ramsukhdasji alongwith reading of his books (particularly the

book " Geeta Probodhini " , which influenced my life, greatly).

Sharmaji, for the last few years I have also been going through the

same social situations as has been described by you and the same

thoughts also come to my mind. I have tried my best to search for

the so called " serenity under a Banyan Tree " but found it no where.

My dear elder brother, we should not forget that we have some basic

needs in our life to be taken care of, so long as we are (rather we

have to) dragging the loathsome weight of this body and for that

very purpose we need society, which I donot think, is wrong. With

the increase of age, our medical needs also increase, which cannot

be avoided.

 

Now comes the burning question, then " Where to Go " ? My dear

brother, with all my sincerety, honesty and experience ( whaterver I

have gained by the grace of my Gurudev) I very truly and whole-

heartedly request you to please take refuge in ATMA. This is the

only place I have found to be most secluded and Serene. When you

are established in your realself, ATMA and when you have made

Brahmakar Vritti, you will find real great bliss, satisfaction and

the most Serene Place in your life, no matter where you are sitting,

whether in a birthday party or marriage party etc. Sir, as and when

you try to run away from these places, I am sorry to say, you

unknowingly create another bindings of Raga and Dwesha, which simply

add another hurdle in your way to attain real and eternal tranqality

in your life which you can attain even while sitting in your office

or at home.

 

Gaining Brahmakar Vritti is neither easy nor difficult. All it

depends on our sincerity. Try this-- throw away all intelligence

you have gained throughout your life, feel like an innocent child

and surrender yourself to God. Cry and cry desperately for him like

an innocent stubborn child. Feel yourself like Arjuna and listen

Him preeching Geeta. (Geeta Probodhini is best) Believe me, He

will come to your rescue and make the way.

 

If ever in Rishikesh, I can suggest satsang opportunity.

Ram Ram

 

Raj Kumar

 

Dear Sharmaji,

I read with interest your post and reply by friends.You say your

family responsibilities are over. But from what you write about your

son,daughter and wife that you are deeply involved in their views and

way of life though they are adults.Your main problem is trying to

control their way of life to yours and just because they as adults

donot agree with your way of life, you tend to blame them and also

your way of bringing up. You think you failed somewhere. You are

absolutely wrong in your view.Your wife and children have been

magnanimous in not enforcing their view or way of life on you . You

want to go on world tour or Indian tour of theertha places, i am sure

your family will allow it. do that and you will understand what is

GEETHA OR DHARMA.

With kind regards.

captain Johann samuhanand

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

Bhaiyya Sharmaji ! Very good Jee !! Bhabhiji should not eat

Golgappes because you don't like Golgappes !! Excellent Jee! Wahe

Guru! She should become like a " Gandhari " – is it? If children get

happy by birthday gifts, you feel they are becoming greedy !

Superlative Jee !! Why will they learn that as they become happy by

taking, there is someone becoming happy by giving also ? You don't

like what your son is doing ( Cellphone/ TV addiction) , good –

understandable ! But then what is objection to you , if he does not

like your watching News on TV ? Whatever " I LIKE SHOULD HAPPEN " –

Is that what you are suggesting, My Dear Bhaiyya ?? What is wrong

with Bhabhiji and kids if they expect you to behave in accordance

with their wish, particularly when you yourself have same

attitude ?. Hence they are in complete tandem with you !! Bolo

Jee !! Boliye Sir !

 

Your complaint is that Mrs Sharma is a great supporter of Son.

Anything wrong there? Are you not a supporter of your son? Who

doesnot support Sons/Daughters? If she is supporting a wrong

conduct , according to you, then it is her dereliction of duties.

Why you should transfer yourself under a banyan tree? If your

nephews etc do not approve of your Gita ways of living, then you

should take sanyaas? Which way is this Bhaiyyaji? Bolo ! " GITA WAY

OF LIVING " !! Approval of nephews/nieces is necessary for you? They

told you honestly that they are too young. Remember your being at

that age!

 

" Rajasic/Tamasic Creepers " !! These are the words you used for God's

children !! Pray to night before the God and say sorry to God –

don't forget to do that !! On one hand, you have registered your

house in the name of my Bhabhiji ( What a great love and

affection) , on the other hand you cannot even tolerate a sight of

her peacefully taking bites of delicious golgappes- which kind of

SAMATA ( EQUANIMITY) is this? Is not clearly a love / mineness

hidden beneath the outer layer of hate? Former is RAAG as per Gita.

Latter is DVESHA as per Gita ! Under which banyan tree you will find

practical situations like this to become EQUANIMOUS?

 

She is working in a bank. She does not need your Retirement cheque.

OK ! Now don't leave the job. Don't make them happy. Say You are not

retiring, Jee ! BECOME " Viviktadeshasevitvam " ( referred by you)

while remaining at home only. Become also " Asaktaranbhishvangam

putra daar griha dishu " ( Referred in previous sloka of BG 13).

Start accumulating money EXCLUSIVELY FOR YOURSELF AND ONLY FOR

YOURSELF_ for next 4/5 years. Don't even give an air of your current

pay cheques. Talk sweetly ! Try to throw bitterness from your

conduct. Inside your heart, there should not be an anger in you for

them, nor an ego in you as to how they will manage, nor a worry in

you, nor an impetuosity in you to know their reactions. Nor should

there be any outer proclamation of revolutionary conduct by you.

NOTHING in front. Let them ignore you. Let them drive their own

lives. When they demand anything from you, then take a call. There

you should think- CAN I DO AND SHOULD I DO ?

 

Keep in touch Jee !

 

Namaste Jee

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sharmaji Your problem is that you are too good a person but

you are taking care of your family in an obliging manner. Now

that the children have grown up and they have started reflecting

upon in their own way- you still desire an attention by them

towards you. You feel the family should circle around your wishes,

tantrums, and thoughts. Come what may- it will not happen. It is not

correct for you to so expect. Spiritualism arises from within-

Sharmaji ! It can not be inflicted by an injection in the

youngsters. Ladies across the globe are like that only. At least

yours is earning and then eating Pani puri. God may create

circumstances in which instead of pani puri ,the very you get

eaten. There is nothing unusual emanating out of your narration

which can drive you to take sanyaas . Dont give much attention to

them. Concentrate on yourself. All are good. All are of God only.

This world has been made in such a manner that it in the end imparts

sorrow only. Hence dont think of going anywhere merely because your

beloveds are not behaving as you like them to do. It is injustice.

Ignore them. Pay attention to your duties and not to the duties of

others.

 

Regards Bandook Singh

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Hari Om

 

My Dear Sharmaji ! Thanks for honest expressions. You indeed have a

pure heart. But Facts as they appear to me are that ONLY you are at

fault- I seek your forgiveness. That every soul is self

centered /selfish is not something which is a new revelation. That

nobody except Paramatma is you/yours/for you is crystal clear to

you, me and all. PROBLEM WITH ALL OF US IS THAT WE KNOW BUT WE DON'T

ACCEPT TILL WE GET SHOCKS ! We know that this body, world, kith and

kin are not ours but still we complain that they don't listen to

words of wisdom. Now what is special about it? It is so ab initio.

But going under some banyan tree is not the answer to your emotional

confusions and complaints. Bitterness, complaint,

frustration,dejection,helplessness, rejection of present status,

expectations of a better conduct from your beloveds, feeling of self

worthlessness , likings , dislikings, cold anger, desire, all of

them are existing inside you and you only. Will your mind not emit

those emotions under a banyan tree? Will the memories not haunt you

there? Believe me – they will !

 

Now what to do ? Consider if you are so insistent on the following.

1. Don't leave the job 2. Take a small house nearby your existing

house on rent and shift there- all alone.3. Stop spending a penny on

any one except on yourself. 4. If kith and kin come to you, tell

them with folded hands --, " Thanks. Now I shall concentrate on

myself.I have a lot to do for myself. Please don't worry about me. I

shall take care of myself. Please be happy. God Bless you, all " .

Then start your sadhana as a " Bhakti Yogi " . ( My earlier suggestion

was reg Karma Yoga).

 

Start concentrating on " self " . Start eliminating- as Shashikalaji

told you- " Raag " ( Likings) and " Dvesha " ( Dislikings) from your

conduct. Your real enemies are Raag and Dvesha. Try to put "

Equanimity " in your conduct. What is the problem to you if Mrs

Sharma likes " golgappes " ? According to you she should eat only what

you want her to eat – Is it? This is example of Raag/Dvesha ! You

have to conquer this. No you cant make youngsters behave as you want

them to behave. YOU CANNOT ! Can you control your own mind and body?

No !

 

You need a lot to do with your own reference!

 

Believe in what Swamiji says in Sadhak Sanjeevani or Sadhan Sudha

Sindhu. Believe that nothing is yours. Believe that " I am of God

and ONLY God is mine. " Never give up your job – else there is a

danger that you shall lose both ends. " DUVIDHA MAIN DONO GAYE ,

MAYA MILI NA RAAM " ( In dilemma, I lost both. World as well as

God) ! Start implementing Swamiji's teachings. You have reached to

present state of " Vairagya " ( Dispassion) only because you served

in the past your wife and children. SERVICE DESTROYS MINENESS- it is

a principle given for benefit of entire humanity by Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. Live such dozens and dozens of laws/principles

stated by Taat Shree in His books/discourses/messages etc.

Concentrate more on that !!

 

There are other methods also. Keep writing/reading. You are in a

right, divine forum.

 

Your kith and kin shall ignore you only so long as you consider them

to be " yours " . The moment you really believe that they are not

yours, they will become " Godly " for you ! Try this !! All dirt is

there in " mineness " only.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas NB

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Respected All,

 

I am greatful for the guidance.

 

Dear Sadhna Karigar ji, very sensible indeed. My problem is that I am

a total failure or misfit in the society. I do not attend the

marriage parties where lot of noisy filmy songs and DJ dances etc.

make me sick even if I keep safe distance. I do not attend birthday

parties because the children celebrating the birthdays are more

interested in the gifts they get " we the gift-givers turn

them into greedy beings. I do not approve of my only son's obsession

with learning modern filmy dance and his addition to cell phone and

TV (he does not like even my watching the news channel) " I am a

total failure as a father for no fault of mine. I cannot take my

wife for outings because she is fond of eating " golgappe " etc and

above all she is a great supporter of her son's activities basically

completely spoiling him from spiritual point of view and making him

into a socially clever fellow. My daughter is in the job and

interested in getting materialistically rich just like any other

young lady. My nephews and niece do not approve of my Gita's way of

life, they say they are too young for these boring things. No one in

my family circle is interested in Swamiji's literature, but in Shani

Mandir and tantrik puja etc. I have realized to the core of my

heart that I cannot change or influence anyone in my family for their

real betterment. Wife and son are feeling happy at my idea of

premature retirement as they will get a few more lakhs of rupees.

Wife works in a bank. I am not finding fault with anyone, but that

is their " prarabdha " . Should I continue to be in the family to

nourish the " rajsik and tamsik " creepers (though all this

is " vasudevam sarvamiti " )? It would be a pleasure should I

become manure for any " satvik " plant.

 

Gita also teaches - Viviktadeshsevitvam, aratirjansansadi (dwelling

in a secluded place and lack of desire to be in the crowd) supports

my decision to seek sanyas. Though I want to be in the company of

the saints " bodhyantah parasparam " .

 

Dear Prem Khullar ji, while I agree with you fully, and by seeking

retirement and entering into the Sanyas, I am sure I can better

serve God's needy creatures with more freedom and time. I have been

studying and conserving birds and their habitats in Haryana since

1976 ˜sarvabhoot hite ratah " .

 

Dear N K Srinivasan ji, nice suggestion. I want to have regular and

continuous ˜darshanâ " of saints ˜gyan vigyan astikyam "

 

Shashikala bahan, I am a complete failure in family life and will be

a big failure if I persist in my meaningless social efforts. I am

reading the scriptures in general and Sadhak Sanjivani / Sadhak

Sudha Sindhu in particular. Your arguments are faultless, yet I want

to run away from the consumerist society and want to lead a perfect

peaceful natural life under some banyan tree in an ashram. Your

˜bhabhi " is interested in money and will be happy to get my post-

retirement cash and monthly pension; I have already registered the

house in her name. For myself, I do not need much and out of my Rs

15000 plus monthly pension, I just need one fifth of it at the most.

I do not think in this modern society my family members, present

and/or would be, will be interested in a ˜yagyaacharatah karma " Let

them be in their fool's paradise (if I can use the term of Henry

David Thoreau).

 

Dear Mahalaksmi Dasi ji, I appreciate your optimism. But I am a sort

of " sarvaarambh prityagi " .

 

Dear Hari Shanker Deo, I am seeking company of spiritual people and

something within me says " get out of this dirty consumerist social

life " .

 

Dear Vineet Sarvottam ji, Is there some Ashram in Churu also? Yes,

you are right. I recall Kabir's vani ˜rahna nahi, desh begana hai "

 

Dear Vyas ji, I am indeed indebted to you for detailed guidance,

practical and yet spiritual.

 

Still, I am a little confused.

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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Sir,

You must develop faith on our scriptures and establish firm

relationship with Gita itself can give you guidance on where to go,

what to do etc. Me too is 53 by age but I never feel my age because

I am engaged in service. Never worry about future or my past. We

must live in present. We are never free from responsibilities. Our

main duty is to know and serve. The more we know the more we serve.

Offer our service to the Lord while doing and we must leave it. Take

up the next till the Central Government terms end. We never end our

karma till the time of our departure from here. So that do not think

about a retirement from central government job. Still you can get

engaged in Gita service and the service with the Lord if you change

your attitude, not your situation. You have no control over the

situation only control is to develop over your mind.

Love, krishna das.

 

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If at some point in time when you are closer to a decision, you can

help us to help the needy children for their education, health and

mind.

 

Padmanabhan Sundaram

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhak,

Swamiji Ramsukhdasji, never encouraged such things as like taking

early retirement , he never asked anyone to leave the job and take

sanyaas (as far as I understand his teachings.)

yr desire could be called a Satvik desire, but no matter what desire

leads to sufferings. So Swamiji says-donot even desire for

liberation/mukti.

Only desire for God is Worth desiring.Have only one desire-

Krishna/God and He will show you the path to reach Him.

 

Yogusth kuru karmani(Do yr karma while established in Yoga)

Working or retired doesnot obstruct yr path for self

enlightenment.Start yr spiritual journey RIGHT NOW, at this very

moment, wherever you are.Donot make it a future goal.

 

Nasto Vidhyate Bhao, Nabhao vidhyate satah (Gita 2:16)

The unreal has no existence and the real has no cessation...

So nomatter where you are the Real is with you every moment and the

unreal is leaving you every moment.

 

Detachment from the unreal is sanyaas, and knowing the difference

between what is real and what is unreal is Knowledge (Gita Ch 13 &

14)

 

Accepting everything as God's is Bhakti (Vasudev Sarvam)

 

Now tell me to follow any of these paths-karma yoga, gyaan yoga or

bhakti yoga, where do you need to go ?

Nowhere/anywhere/everywhere ?

 

Kasturi Kundal basi mrig dhundhe van mahi---(the aroma is coming out

from deer's own naval but he is running in the forest to find the

source/ Krishna/God is sitting right in our heart, but we are trying

to find Him outside)

 

with lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Suresh Sharma ji,

 

WHERE TO GO ? WHERE CAN YOU GO ? NO WHERE . EVERY THING IS HERE . I

was an air force officer for 22 years. I retired 27 years back . I

am here running a 50 bed charitable hospital and various programs.

READ GITA , FOLLOW IT AND DO NOT BOTHER ABOUT THIS LIFE AND DEATH '

CHAKKAR'. It will be what ever it may be or whatever it has to be .

 

SERVE THE WORLD TO THE HILT - CEASELESSLY ,UNENDLESSLY AND FOR EVER.

LOVE

 

PREM KHULLAR

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Dear Sharmaji,

After retirement,I would suggest that you visit several pilgrim

centres and sacred temples,like a Parivrajika, with a few items with

you.Asmall suitcase and a bag.By such visits, your mind will be

purified and also you will learn more about our poeple ,their forms

of devotion and thier simple,humble ways.The railway tickets are

quite low and you need not sppend much.After say two or three years

of religious wandering or pilgrimages, you can select a place or

ashram or suitable palce to stay...This I learnt after my own

wanderings after the age of sixty.You are much younger and should be

easy for you.You will learn more about Bharat,our motherland after

that.

Regards,

In Shirdi Sai Smaran,

N K Srinivasan

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Jai Hanuman

 

No Bhaiyya Sharmaji. This " more or less over " with reference

to " duties " of marital life is not acceptable. Nor did I like your

last words - " where to go " !!

 

But your gesture/sentiment/approach is laudable- no questions about

the same!

 

WHERE TO GO ? - No where Dear. Remain where ever you are. Start now

a new life with no outer change. Concentrate on removing " Raag " (

Likings) and " Dvesha " (Dislikings) from your mind / intellect/

thoughts /psyche /person ! They are roots of your worldly stays of

past, present and future!

Read Scriptures/ Swamiji in spare time. Think about the soul, your

role in this Divine Lila !

 

By the way who are you to decide whether you should work or not? Did

you check up with Bhabhiji ( Mrs Sharma) ? Do as she says. No

arguments on this.

 

Have you planned adequately for your old age ? Who will instil God

in grand children? Who will guide them to righteousness? Who will

create cultural base for them and for the family ? Who will set

examples of selfless conduct? Who will make them better humans? Only

grand parents can do that- not the parents!

 

No Running away Bhaiyya! Stay put !! There are lot of things to do !

We will discuss if you actively participate !

 

Ever thought what should be your goal for balance life? It should

be " O God- I should not be coming back again in this world in any

type of body- unless you sponsor me as your representative for your

work. I should be free forever from this circle of birth and death " .

Think on these lines. Get rid of all worldly

attachments/connections/mineness by continuously and selflessly

serving all people around you with all the things you have - without

expecting anything from them in return In dreams even do not

visualise a situation where you get dependent over any worldly

body/thing. You get retired without actually retiring merely by

relinquishing dependence over the same ! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !!

 

Get free! Feel free ! Dream Free ! Seek freedom ! Remaining where

ever you are ! There is no need to go anywhere ! Make your home

itself a temple. Love all . See God in all. Don't establish

any " new " connection/relationship/attachment with any body/thing-

for getting anything worldly out of them. Concentrate on self and on

conscience.

 

KABIRA KHADA BAJAAR MAIN SABKI MAANGE KHAIR !

 

NA KAHOO SE DOSTI NA KAHOO SE VAIR !!

 

Says Saint Kabir - I am standing in this market (worldly life)

wishing good for all and sundry. I have neither any friends (

likings- Raag) nor any enemies (dislikings- Dvesha) !

 

That is real sanyaas ! My Dear Brother ! That is real retirement !

Not leaving or not leaving the Government Service !!

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

 

 

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My dandavat pranams to all in this fourm......responsibilities have

kept me so busy that I have neglected this beautiful forum, sadly.

In regard to this sacred question....what to do when one is

encountering the need to absorb oneself in spiritual practices for

oneself and others. I know that this is not exactly how the

question was worded, but truly, it is what I heard....because you

have come to the point of saying, " Where do I go from here " .....

indeed, age is not truly the criterion for one being ready to absorb

oneself in full devotion.....it is a point where one finally

accepts, " I have no business in this world save and except to live

for bhajan, for glorifying the lord, for providing knowledge of Gita

to others. "

 

I have accepted Los Angeles as my place to execute this

activity.....it is where the Lord has put me. Pray for guidance,

and it will come....Los Angeles has many, many groups of sadhaks, as

well as a very high level of vegetarian communities, vegan, raw,

east Indian, etc......and there are so so many people to give some

time and energy to as far as speaking on Bhagavat dharma. But than,

almost any city in the world these days, is needing Hari Katha to

purify the atmosphere.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

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Stay where you are. Seek a genuine Guru/Guru within. He will lead

you towards the right path. Meditate and seek the company of

spiritual people.

Hari Shanker Deo

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Shri Sureshji, This is the same question that I had asked Swamiji

fourteen years back, while considering retirement - (should I go to

Rushikul, or Churu, or Rishikesh, or Gorakhpur), then his reply is

something that is useful to you - " Brother, wherever you are, remain

there as is, always " longing and desiring " , then your work will be

done. Because that Paramatma which you think about attaining in

Gorakhpur, or Rishikesh etc. that very same Paramatma wholly and

entirely is at this very moment close to you, now and at all

times. What more, you yourself are wise and patient, but when it

comes to relationship with Paramatma, the impatience (that intense

longing) works ! Very well!

 

Vineet Sarvottam

 

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Hari Om

 

Dear Shri Sharmaji

 

At the outset welcome! Great things in life don't wait for any

retirement. No outside activity can accelerate your turning towards

the ultimate. If your family has slightest of the need for your

continuing doing the Govt Job - Please unhesitantly continue doing

that. Swamiji always advocated " 24 x 7 " work. Consider after having

fulfilled your responsibilities at this age of 53 ( I am also 53 and

have done all that is necessary for my family responsibilities,

married both daughters, a son and another son is ready for marriage,

all well settled- only difference is I am employed in private

sector) as to whether whatever you earn honourably and justfully out

of your employment- you should use them for welfare and benefit of

1. Those for whom you still have mineness/attachment (including your

body)- with a special sentiment always awakened in you inside that "

they are not you/yours/for you " 2 Those for whom you have no

mineness/attachment.

 

That is one way you can plan. Check up with your better half if she

wants you to continue working. If she says even " may be " or " as you

think fit " - work! Work so that you may never seek economic

dependence upon anyone for rest of your life. Work so that you may

be of help to category 2 people ( stated in preceding paragraph)!

Work in government without accepting anything extra. Live there like

a lotus in water. You can. You should. Work so that you may see God

whereever you get engaged in.

 

Ensure that today you don't need anybody for anything pertaining to

your balance stay in this world. If you feel some are dependent upon

you( say wife)- serve them with double intensity and speed.

 

But keep a thought burning inside you - " I am of God, Only God is

mine, nothing else is mine " . Don't expect anything from anybody-

even from God. Keep utilising whatever you have for benefit and

welfare of whoever comes in touch with you - if you can and if you

should.

 

All extra time in your life should be utilised in reading Swamiji's

books, Gita, Ramayana, listening to Swamiji's pravachans, singing

bhajans, doing keertans and remaining in good company always.

 

This is one way. Another totally different way - next time.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

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Great idea!!!!!

I have been doing the same because I have also been influenced very

deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. We might be able to do share some

thoughts on some projects

 

Satya Kalra

 

 

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Respected Vyasji and others,

 

I am 53 and may seek premature retirement from my central govt

service. Married and family responsibilities are more or less over.

 

I want to spend my post-retirement life in the company of Gita

scholars/students/lovers. I have been influenced deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj.

 

Can you kindly guide me where to go?

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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Shree Hari

|| Ram Ram ||

 

Dear Sureshji,

Thank you very much for sharing your personal issue so candidly. In

some form or another many of the sadhakas face similar situations.

This is a great example of journey for a sadhaka marching

from 'Vishad Yoga' towards the 'Moksha Sanyasa Yoga'. The quality,

speed and number of responses received on this topic were very

impressive, encouraging and helpful with which you seem to found the

answer. This shows the positive dynamism of the blessed Gita-talk

group. It is not surprising to see since the group was started on

holy inspiration by none other than Swamiji Maharaj.

 

Few more comments:

 

1. Generally when we talk about Sanyasa, it is leaving the world and

going to the forest but Gitaji clearly defines who is a true

Sanyasi, " a Nitya Sanyasi or ever a renunciate is the one who

neither hates nor desires (Ref: Gita 5-3, Jneyah sa nityasanyasi yon

a dvestu na kanksati …).

 

2. During our spiritual journey, we are not to become despondent

while facing adverse situations, Swamji Maharaj said that we should

stay happy in all circumstances, this in itself is a great tapas

(austerity). In the introduction to Sadhak Sanjiveeni, Swamiji says

that there is no situation or a setting in our lives which we cannot

use to help us advance in our spiritual path.

 

3. No body is to be blamed for our seemingly bad situation or the

circumstances, it is due to our own prarabhada, people on the scene

happen to be delivering what is supposed to come to us due to our

own past karmas.

 

4. The beauty of the spiritual journey is to transform our life such

as to provide us with peace, harmony, joy and stability at all of

our personality levels - physical, mental, emotional and spiritual.

With an attitude of love, understanding and cooperation all issues

can be resolved as they affect us.

 

5. Gitaji is teaching us to do our Swa-dharma (duty) at all times

keeping in view the Ashram, Varna (Caste) and situation at hand, our

duty is not to be shunned at any time (Ref: Gitaji 2/31-37). Also,

our Swadharma or duty is not to judge other as to whether they are

doing their duty.

 

6. The ideal attitude is to strive for is to have no insistence (no

Agraha), we can advise or suggest in a pleasant manner but we should

not insist or even expect that others must follow our advice. The

insistence that people should listen to us only, do what we say,

will give us nothing but pain to us and others.

 

7. The world outside of us is nothing but a projection of our mind

only. (Ref: Gitaji 7-5, jivabhatam mahabahio, yaye `dam dharyate

jagat). In a given setting, it is said that 90% is the attitude and

10% the situation. With the change in our attitude of loving,

understanding and not finding faults, we will start to radiate peace

and joy only, the others will take us as a good living example and

will consider an ideal to follow, what a great one does, other

follow. (Ref: Gita: 3-21, yad-yad acarati sesthas, tad-tad evataro

janah ….). We read examples, at hermitage of saints, even the

animals of opposite nature live together in peace.

 

Few illustrations:

 

a). Life on earth is like waiting room on a railway station, people

come there, stay together for some time and then go their own ways.

Separation is the sure thing in this world, nothing is permanent, so

why get excited about something so temporary.

 

b). Just like on the bed of the river there are sand particles, they

travel with the moving stream, some times they come together and

other times they separate. The relatives and friends have come

together to separate only in the end. We just have to pay the dues,

sometimes we receive and other times we pay back. After the account

is squared off, debt is clear, our account is closed.

 

c). Just like when the boat is in the water, water should not get in

the boat, similarly, we should live in the world but the world

should not get into us. --- Sri Ramakrishna

 

d). It does not matter which direction the ship is sailing in but

Compass always points to the north. In the same way, does not which

activity of the world we are doing, keep our mind on God. --- Sri

Ramakrishna

 

Ram Ram

Humble pranams,

Madan Kaura

 

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Priy sadhak

As you say you want to retire ! So leave everything including " what

you should do " to the God. Be a toy in hands of God, play with God

as son plays with parents. " Hoihe soi jo ram rachi rakha ko kari

tarak badave sakha Ram siya Ram siya ram jai jai ram. "

Thanx

Raja Gurdasani

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Varun ji,

 

I am indeed grateful to all of you who have lighted candles in my

dark room. The final result is that I am not seeking retirement from

my office and will continue to remain with the family.

 

When I mentioned something about my family members, my purpose was

not to judge/degrade them. It was merely that I as a hubby, as a

father, as a guardian, in my social context was feeling exhausted

like an old cow, unable to yield milk and then the owners deciding

to sell it to the butcher and get some money.

 

Now, when I am convinced that the family members like many many

others in the world are heading towards the bottomless well/pit and

are not listening to the wise counsels of the great saints then, how

long will I continue dragging myself towards the pit with them? My

possessive wife does not stop me from reading scriptures, rather she

assists me in that, but because she out of her own insecurity and

cruel possessiveness of me feels a little comfortable that " at

least, the hubby is at home " Her " God puja " consists of single point

" sakaam bhavâ " that hubby remains in her grip and so remains other

members of the family (Shashikala bahan, I AM NOT TERMING MY WIFE

IS COPPER AS IRON, BUT DO NOT EXPECT ME TO CALL HER COPPER AS GOLD).

When I use the word " creepers " for her and other members, my aim was

not " creep " but the creeping plant which wants to grow up always

seeking support, i.e., dependency on others. Let me assure my

learned readers/participants that I am nearly detached " but I love

to be with nature, eco-friendly ashrams, Gita loving people, simple

and honest persons " not because of some desire/lust, because as the

Swamiji mentions " underground water is everywhere, but our purpose

is served only by the handpump/well "

 

Life so far, in family context, has been a " Tale told by an idiot,

full of sound and fury, signifying nothing " , borrowing from

Shakespeare and its end if continued the way my wife and others want

me to go on, will be ˜not with a bang, but with a whimper " again

borrowing from T.S. Eliot.

 

I was not talking of sanyaas/retirement to become something

else " when there is lot of noise coming from the loudspeakers around

you (round the clock), the only option is either get out for some

other place or put some earplugs for ever. Nevertheless, woman is a

purgatory " no one knows better than I do.

 

I have been to the Gita Bhawan, Rishikesh several times and was

present there when the Swamiji breathed his last but detached and

aloof. If someone can please tell whom I should meet there, I will

not waste a single day and will be happy to travel to Rishikesh

again.

 

Thank you all from the core of my heart. All of you have helped me a

lot and thanks a lot to the moderator for running such a wonderful

divine group. You have not only taken me to the divine water but

have made me to drink it.

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

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Dear sadaks,

 

To seek God or liberate or to do perfect sadhana (spiritual

disciplines) if these are within our efforts, we could have been

long ago become one with Godhood. Since we are only trying but not

with complete renunciation, we are coming back here again and again.

This is our experience. Sadhaks touch your hearts and say is this

not true? Truth is always like neem leaf taste - bitter. Illusion is

like sugar.

 

Mr. Sharma question is answered in so many angles. We have dealt so

much about surrender earlier.

 

One`s Karma only Bhagavan knows as HE said to Arjuna that past,

present and future HE knows. Mr. Suresh can stay where he is, he can

surrender to God, let HIM (Bhagavan) decide where and how to be.

Then the path will be perfect. Saying things like - you should do

like this, you have to see about your grandchildren, you have to see

to your parents, and so on. The truth is ultimately what happens is

HIS will. Just surrender and be relaxed like Prahalad.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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Sanyaas is one of the four Ashramas in our scriptures. Who is to

enter it, when is he to enter it, is dependent on the dictates of

the Shastras (scriptures) – not on our conveniences and

inconveniences faced in life. It is not an escape route.

 

Shri Bhagawaan has also said:

 

Tasmaat-shaastram pramaanam te kaarya-akaarya vyavasthitau/

Gyaatvaa shaastra-vidhaan-oktam karma kartum iha-arhasi// 16:24

 

" Therefore let the scriptures be the authority in determining what

ought to be done and what ought not to be. Having known what is

prescribed in the ordinance of scriptures, you should act

accordingly in this world. " (Gita 6:24)

 

Respectful regards,

 

Dr. Ranjeet Singh.

 

 

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Hare Krishna

 

Mahalakshmiji, you have indeed hit the bull's eye. No doubt about

it. Sureshji, if your family is stopping you from walking towards

God, then just renounce it. Don't give a second thought to it. After

death of this body, only dharma and God will go with you. No one

else.

But from your posting, it doesn't seem so. It seems that they are

not stopping you but they are merely disinterested of your

inclination towards spirituality.

 

Also your reason for Sanyaas is not detachment and dispassion but

dislike. The reason for this dislike is your family is not

conducting themselves as per your expectations. If you had not

expected anything from them then you wouldn't have been so confused.

 

And also one who has expectations how can he become a sanyaasi??

Lord says " Arjuna, you must know that what they call Sanyasa is no

other than Yoga; for none becomes a Yogi, who has not abandoned His

sankalpas(thoughts of the world) " (Gita 6.2)

 

Expectation comes only after sankalpa. After clinging on a worldly

thought, a desire erupts. (Gita 2.62) Sanyaas is for those who don't

have any worldly thoughts. You have failed in HSC (renouncement of

desire) but you want to pass post-graduation (sanyaas)!! [Graduation

is to be freed from worldly thoughts.]

 

Sureshji, please don't take theka of others. Just send your family

on a vacation, on a long long vacation. You might have read this in

Swamiji's books

 

TERE BHAVE JO KARE BARO BHULO SANSAR

NARAYAN TU BAITHKE APNO BHUVAN BHUVAR

 

Sir, just chill out and engage in God. Don't worry about them. God

is more worried about them than you can imagine. Just serve them and

break your mineness. That's it.

 

If you are still confused then go to Gita-Bhawan, (Rishikesh,

Swargashram) and take wise council of those souls who have been

closely associated with Swamiji for many years. Reveal to them all

what you said here and they will guide you surely.

 

Thanks,

 

Hare Krishna

Varun P. Paprunia

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Dear Suresh Sharma,

 

RETIREMENT WITH A MISSION IS LIKE A FLOWER WITH FRAGRANCE.

 

We greatly appreciate your willingness to seek suggestions for your

retirement era. Please consider tracing your roots and adopt and

rehabilitate your ancestral village. Everyone of us must take care

of our own mother, our own mother tongue and our own mother

(ancestral) village. the great need of this time is applied Bhagavad

Gita.

 

Sincerely,

A.V.Raghunath

-

One has to go within and find the true self......

one has to practice whatever has been read and understood to

experience the true self....

Understanding is whole thing.....

 

Sushil Jain

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

Hari Om

 

Some final thoughts on the subject:

 

1 Never look out for an acknowledgement from family of what you have

done for them. It is a desire not liked by God. It hurts your

spiritual goals. A curt answer that whatever you did was your duty

will then hurt you more.

 

2 Never seek mercy from near and dears. An answer that you were

foolish enough will readily come. Self pity also doesn't make

surroundings really strong. It is contagious.

 

3 Never impose your thoughts over the family members. You will have

no answer to the counter question as to whether every soul is

independent or not.

 

AKKAL SHARIRA OOPAJE, DIYA LAAGE DAMB

 

Wisdom arises from within. If some body tries to impose it, he is

perceived as poisonous snake.

 

Don't invite disrespect for you.

 

4 Remember each soul is accumulating Karmas of their own. You have

got connected with them because of contractual karmic obligations

and the moment accounts are settled, all will part ways. It is a law.

 

5 Set examples of decent conduct irrespective of its immediate

results/reception. Children will use them when there is real need

for the same irrespective of your presence at that time.

 

6 Serve, Serve and Serve. Destroy mineness/ego/likings and

dislikings using one weapon only- expectationless service. That is

possible only when you are in your home- dealing with people who are

not " actually " yours. Once the thought comes in your mind that they

are not " yours " the service by you becomes real and divine and lifts

you spiritually. Before that it is " selfish " - arising out of

mineness and hence done for self and hence producing bondage. Lucky

are those guys who realise before serving that the servicee

is " actually " not mine.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

 

MY respects to all in this foorum....

I am noting the interest in this topic....very strong indeed!

One has to think deeply and ponder all the varieties of responses.

Let me add one more thought into the mix.....my gurudeva, A.C.

Bhaktivedanta Swami, mentioned occasionally to his disciples that

the last straw which drove him to finally take sannyas was when his

wife traded his Srimad Bhagavatam for tea. She had threatened, and

he told her, " tea, or me " ......she made the choice. So, there is

definitely a line which a sadhu must draw, of being willing to

tolerate only to a certain extent.

Are there offenses to the concepts of Guru, shastra, or sadhu in

the home? Analyze this before deciding whether it is a fit place

to reside. And then know, that purification will surely take place

once having departed.....again, another story from the life of my

guru, is that shortly after leaving for sannyas, he was gored by a

bull. I do not remember so much the story, but it is documented in

various places.....there is a biography six volumes called Srila

Prabhupada Lilamrta if you have inclination. Even one whose only

intent WAS and IS to spread bhakti, to give an opportunity to others

to learn Sanatan dharma....still....so much pain and suffering on an

external level. So, know that whatever you choose, you must come

to the level of " atmarama " finding pleasure in the self alone. This

level is very high....and to attain it, you may certainly need to

take steps to seek out exalted association....the Lord will guide

you if you sincerely cry out to Him.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

Finally a short practical event from every day life:

 

You are in a car which stops at a signal. A beggar spreads his hands

and you give say Dollar one to him. A friend sitting beside will

call that payment as " donation " . So will God.

 

You reach home and your son comes to you and seeks money. You give

him say Dollar one to him. Same friend will not call that payment as

donation. Nor will God.

 

Why?

 

Now compare these two payments. At both places you did your duty. At

both places you didn't expect money to be returned. At both places

you wanted the recepient to become happy. At both places you

renounced.

 

What was the difference between the two payments then? This is

question !

 

Answer is - To the beggar you never considered to be " mine " while

paying. But you considered your son to be " mine " while paying. What

else was the difference? This difference has changed the very karma

and its results.

 

If you give monthly expenses to your wife without considering,

inside your heart, her to be " mine " - Law of Karma will classify the

entire amount as " donation " . If not- bondage!

 

How easy ! How practical!! How Simple!!! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Hare Krishna

 

As I understand, Sanyaas should be taken only when one is completely

detached (teevra vairagya). In some cases such a soul does not

renounce world, in fact the world renounces him. Example of

Shukdevji fits the bill, whereas in case of Arjuna and Janaka etc

even after realization they did not take sanyaas. A sadhak should

make his spiritual practice in accordance with the situation he is

in. If solitude becomes must for sadhak's spiritual progress then

God will change his situation where he can do his sadhan alone.

 

Sadhak's duty is only to serve others and not to find anyone's

fault. If anyone's fault is visible then rather than hating him,

sadhak should pity him and pray to God for his welfare. The biggest

point in serving is to fulfill other's ethical wishes. He should not

force his spiritual views on worldly people, because it will prove

counter-productive. Swamiji gave discourses only to serve humanity.

He never sported attitude of " I can improve others. I am more

knowledgeable than others etc " . Whatever Swamiji gave He gave only

with the intention to serve. We should also carry the same sentiment.

 

Hare Krishna,

 

Varun P. Paprunia

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Jai Hanuman

 

 

 

Yeah ! It is Marcus Brutus " Dear Julius Ceaser !! Dear Bhaiyya !

Hope you didn't mind my arrow like response. We at GT Group are like

a family. I keep on taking such liberties. Bad habit according to my

Hubby. In fact, I had to go through a snub from my Hubby but then I

wrote what indeed I felt right. Welcome to this family. Please keep

writing and contributing. You are now a part of really selfless and

divine forum. Please keep sharing your views. In fact " Et tu Brutus "

I should also say because of your humble and genuine approach and

your capacity to appreciate such brutal attack. Hats Off to you. May

Lord Krishna be always with you. Indeed you have a heart made of

Gold. This world is sustained on the strength of people like you.

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

 

Shashikala

 

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Dear Sir,

 

Since you are still young at 53, you should devote some more years

in doing your karma by doing social work of your liking and to the

uplift of down trodden and poor people.

 

Best regards,

Sivaraman.V

 

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Jai Hanuman

 

We as humans have to face this peculiar creation made by God as an

acid test.This world is simply an examination hall for each and

every human being. Here is the world which like greggary(sweet) or

salt from which ever side or way you " consume " it is sorrowful.

(DUKHALAYAM) Biggest treachery comes from the closest people. There

is no way a permanent element can derive pleasure out of temporary

element. Now what is our role? How to go about it? How to conquer?

How to pass with distinction marks from this examination?

 

Art of Living in this world as taught by Swamiji is simple. Don't

try to change the circumstances. Change yourself. Don't judge

others. Judge yourself. Problem is that generally we judge others

and pardon ourselves. It should be reverse. Once you concentrate on

your duties and others' rights - you are on right path. But ego does

not often let us do that. We often end up talking about our rights

and others' duties. How wife should behave, how children should

behave etc etc. What we don't pay attention to is that " talking "

doesnot help. Conduct or silent example setting before the kids

helps.If you want some one to live as per Gita- the best way is to

live yourself as per Gita. At the appropriate hour the vibrations

will be caught by the children. Any hurry or insistence invariably

gets counter productive. You have no capacity to mould others as per

your wishes. That you can't do. You have capacity to mould yourself

as per wishes of others. That you can do. Where is the wisdom in

attempting what we can't do and ignoring what we can do !

 

I oppose bitterly this " mind " only because it always suggests what

we can't do. From the perspective of mind it is natural because it

exists in " nothingness " only- past/future! But from ever

existing " self " point of view- it proves fatal. Hence scriptures ask

you to drop reliance on mind.

 

Once we are on right path- what is my duty - the result in due

course is miraculous and unbelievable !!

 

What is the result ? Result is that " dukhalayam " gets converted

practically into " God " Himself (Vasudevah Sarvam) ! Once you don't

desire anything from anyone - then that anyone becomes God -as far

as you are concerned. This is something which sounds extra ordinary

but my experience has taught me that it is true.

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

--------------------------

Dear Sadhak

Dear Suresh Sharma

I feel while remaining with the family, you can still have God

realisation by having detached view, Sakshi bhav, surrendering

fruits of all actions to God, leaving Karta Bhav and of course

meditation and Bhakti to wards Supreme God what so ever name you

call him

Thanks

 

 

G K Agrawal

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Hare Krsna

 

Respected Suresh ji

 

I have been following your mail and the replies. I fully understand

you confusion. Please don't lose your faith in Sri Krishna. Give

your thought or desire some time. If your faith and devotion is

strong and it doesn't deplete with time and surroundings and

circumstances Sri Krishna will show you some way out. In the

meantime completely surrender to Sri Krishna. He will take care of

your problem.As Sri Krishna states in the BG 9:22 " Ananyas

cintayanto maam ye.....yoga-ksemam vahamy aham "

 

Hare Krsna

" srivally k "

 

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Hari Om

 

Sharmaji ! Did you observe what Mike told ? " I don't judge " ! How

can you judge creation made by our Great Father ? After all we are

His children only - nothing more! Consider the " certainty " flowing

out of Mike's expression and experience! I told you before that you

are " pure " (open) hearted person ! This is how spiritual

reconciliations take place- notwithstanding

culture/caste/colour/country/civilisation etc !!! That is where Holy

Gitaji and Saints like Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj shine like Polar

Star!

 

" My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this! "

 

That is real " advice " ! That is what is " warranted " !! You can't

be " Judge " in this world made by Paramatma !! That is " Satsanga " !

That is " nectar " ! That is " Divine " ! This is " Mantra " ! This

is " guidance " ! Believe me on that ! ( I am taking this liberty of

asking you to " believe me " because you addressed the Question to me,

too )

 

That propels you to shed your " ego " ,your " intellect " ,

your 'mind, " .your " " mamata " (mineness) , your " likings " ( Raag) and

your " dislikings " (Dvesha) !.That requires you to get rid of

your " antahkarana " - by not acknowledging the same to be " yours " !

 

That makes you subdued too. That also makes you a child. That is

reality. That is " SAT " within the meaning of Gitaji.

 

That is " viveka " (Conscience), my Dear Sharmaji !

 

This is " Geeta Talk Group " ! Most certainly this is " Humanity " !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Dear Sharmaji,

 

I don't see why you have to go any where.

If you are comfortable in the place you have lived all these years,

just stay there. If not, just find a surrounding you are comfortable

with.

You already love Gita Ji and also have been deeply influenced by

the books of a particular Swami. You have Internet, pretty much

wherever you are. Just translate sections of the book you like

to English. If it is already in English, re-write in your words.

Share your insight with others, who may be interested.

That is one way to spread your learning among others who may not

have thought of such things, but not averse to it.

Even if you can spread it to one other individual, that is plenty.

You can also share on the Internet. Start a blog site to

post your insights.You are all ready in parama-satsangh.

Joyfully participate in life- you can only do it, when you have

internally withdrawn.

 

 

Enjoy

 

KST

Koti Sreekrishna

 

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Dear Suresh Sharmaji, Let us follow the Lord in doing good karma and

you can think of joining us . --Prem

 

 

Prem Kumar Khullar

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Dear Shashikala bahan,

 

Et tu Brutus.

______________

 

Dear Sadhna Karigar ji,

 

Much help indeed.

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Dear Mike,

 

Your affection has wrapped me from all sides. (Manas : ab mohi bha

bharos

Hanumanta / Binu harikripa milahi nahi santa - Now, I am convinced

Hanuman that

without God’s grace, we cannot even meet the saints)

__________________

 

Dear Pratap Bhatt ji,

 

Your words have opened my eyes, and they make me sad also, though I

know the

truth of ‘shubhashubh prityagi’

-------------------------

Dear Baiya Sathyanarayan,

 

Your words are like torch to me. I can now see the path more clearly.

--------------------------

Dear Raj Kumar ji,

 

You make my heart weep and my eyes damp, out of sheer happiness.

This forum has

really helped me. Krishna’s grace †" unbounded and all around.

________________________

 

Dear Capt Johann Samuhanand,

 

Much grateful for the kind words and guidance, easy to practise.

 

--------------------------

 

Dear Bandook Singh ji,

 

I will continue my duties towards all †" vasudhaiv kutumbkam.

 

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Dear Vyas ji,

 

Bura jo dekhan mai gaya, bura na milya koi

Jo ghat dekha aapna, mujhse bura no koi.

 

Once again thank you all for your valuable guidance and making me

see the light in right perspective. I will continue my job and

remain with the family - reading scriptures, attending satsang,

meeting saints and leading a life in a yagyamaya manner.

 

Kindest regards,

Suresh C Sharma

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Dear Sadhak,

The situations you just described are excellent circumstances for

God realization-

1. Free from reponsibilies

2. Free from worldly attachments

3. Considering yr self total failure means no dependency on yr own

strength

 

So instead of putting yr self in Golden Cage(due to attachment to

satvik guna) you should completely surrender yr self to God and be

free(jeevanmukta)

In my opinion you should insist on Paramatma Prapti(God realization)

not on ritualistic sanyaas or good company etc.Do satsang,go and

spend time in ashram, live with realized souls, but always look

inside, and know that I am God's and only God is mine. Knowledge,

devotion and liberation all will come with this knowing only.

 

With lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

-----------------------------

Dear Sureshji,

 

Your predicament was summed up so well by a comment made by Jeshua

the

Nazarene, " a prophet is not without honor except in his own country

and in his own house " . I just recently made a comment on send to

entire group at another time)

Your country is the World of the Spirit, I have gone through the very

things you have gone through believe you me, I too live in the World

of the Spirit, we dwell in the same land, not Geographically you

understand.

Did not Sri Ramakrishna Paramahams, say God is closer than your skin,

if the good Swami was correct, you do not have to go anywhere to find

'The Beloved', I sure you know 'He' dwells in your heart.

It took me years to come to terms with things like Christmas, I

saw/see it as a time of gluttony and excess, built on a fable,

borrowing from the Pagans,(no disrespect to the Pagans intended).

I had to detach or go mad, but also honor the good things that happen

,like decent organizations that give the poor and destitute a decent

feed at that time, and we by presents that can be distributed to the

poor.

My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this!

Of course the family know me as an oddball, but also they know me as

one without hate, one who will help when there is need.

I have been blessed with so much Divine Love, I have met so many,

many, Great Souls, what a Divine forum this is, is it not?

In passing I am retired but am a very busy person.

 

With Respect and Divine Love,

 

Mike Keenor

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Sureshji, I read your respectful responses to

sadhakas who attempted to answer your question on retirement and

sanyas. My experience tells me that if you have so many reasons to

retire and take sanyas, chances are it will not work for you,

particularly when these reasons are: you don't like situation and/or

behavior of people around you.It sounds like you may be forcing it

upon you(I may be wrong). I am not saying they(spouse/children) are

right in their own rights, but to think " they are wrong and

therefore, you have nothing to do with them " may be the the wrong

thinking as I see it. When one doesn't have any reasons, but only

happiness/love in whatever and wherever one is placed(not where one

places oneself), then, by all means, retirement and sanyas will work

better for one. We generally try to do or undo things to be happy

which, at best, works for short time and we are already looking for

something else to do or undo out of boredom.When we are already

happy and loving, then we do or undo things as if we are playing to

celebrate the life, because we are not looking to get anything which

will make us happy, we just are!I have learnt from life never to

possess another human being be that person your spouse, children,

friends, siblings, parents or whoever. Sometimes we possess by

making someone guilty or self pitying ourselves in front of them or

demands on them, or all such subtle tricks. One's sincerity and

honesty with oneself and above all love for truth will show the next

step. Namaskar

Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadak,Bagavan said, " Loka Sheman Vahamiyam " . Means HE takes

care of the whole creation. So dont worry who will teach your

grandchildren. Your time is running out. Only you have to put your

effort which only will work out. Mostly seekers left homes and

stayed amidst nature to avoid social obligations such as marriages

etc. Even saints living with family were also remained detached and

so they were called excentric.This birth balance time can be

untilised purposefully in Sat Sangh, Bajans, Namasankeethan Etc.

Control all emotions, aviod being slave to toung (taste and talk),

see only God`s statue, walk only to temples, your free time spend in

meditation.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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My respectable Sharma ji,

 

I am a 44 year old Police officer in Delhi Police and for at least

20 years of my life I had been privileged to attend the Satsangas of

Swami Ramsukhdasji alongwith reading of his books (particularly the

book " Geeta Probodhini " , which influenced my life, greatly).

Sharmaji, for the last few years I have also been going through the

same social situations as has been described by you and the same

thoughts also come to my mind. I have tried my best to search for

the so called " serenity under a Banyan Tree " but found it no where.

My dear elder brother, we should not forget that we have some basic

needs in our life to be taken care of, so long as we are (rather we

have to) dragging the loathsome weight of this body and for that

very purpose we need society, which I donot think, is wrong. With

the increase of age, our medical needs also increase, which cannot

be avoided.

 

Now comes the burning question, then " Where to Go " ? My dear

brother, with all my sincerety, honesty and experience ( whaterver I

have gained by the grace of my Gurudev) I very truly and whole-

heartedly request you to please take refuge in ATMA. This is the

only place I have found to be most secluded and Serene. When you

are established in your realself, ATMA and when you have made

Brahmakar Vritti, you will find real great bliss, satisfaction and

the most Serene Place in your life, no matter where you are sitting,

whether in a birthday party or marriage party etc. Sir, as and when

you try to run away from these places, I am sorry to say, you

unknowingly create another bindings of Raga and Dwesha, which simply

add another hurdle in your way to attain real and eternal tranqality

in your life which you can attain even while sitting in your office

or at home.

 

Gaining Brahmakar Vritti is neither easy nor difficult. All it

depends on our sincerity. Try this-- throw away all intelligence

you have gained throughout your life, feel like an innocent child

and surrender yourself to God. Cry and cry desperately for him like

an innocent stubborn child. Feel yourself like Arjuna and listen

Him preeching Geeta. (Geeta Probodhini is best) Believe me, He

will come to your rescue and make the way.

 

If ever in Rishikesh, I can suggest satsang opportunity.

Ram Ram

 

Raj Kumar

 

Dear Sharmaji,

I read with interest your post and reply by friends.You say your

family responsibilities are over. But from what you write about your

son,daughter and wife that you are deeply involved in their views and

way of life though they are adults.Your main problem is trying to

control their way of life to yours and just because they as adults

donot agree with your way of life, you tend to blame them and also

your way of bringing up. You think you failed somewhere. You are

absolutely wrong in your view.Your wife and children have been

magnanimous in not enforcing their view or way of life on you . You

want to go on world tour or Indian tour of theertha places, i am sure

your family will allow it. do that and you will understand what is

GEETHA OR DHARMA.

With kind regards.

captain Johann samuhanand

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

Bhaiyya Sharmaji ! Very good Jee !! Bhabhiji should not eat

Golgappes because you don't like Golgappes !! Excellent Jee! Wahe

Guru! She should become like a " Gandhari " – is it? If children get

happy by birthday gifts, you feel they are becoming greedy !

Superlative Jee !! Why will they learn that as they become happy by

taking, there is someone becoming happy by giving also ? You don't

like what your son is doing ( Cellphone/ TV addiction) , good –

understandable ! But then what is objection to you , if he does not

like your watching News on TV ? Whatever " I LIKE SHOULD HAPPEN " –

Is that what you are suggesting, My Dear Bhaiyya ?? What is wrong

with Bhabhiji and kids if they expect you to behave in accordance

with their wish, particularly when you yourself have same

attitude ?. Hence they are in complete tandem with you !! Bolo

Jee !! Boliye Sir !

 

Your complaint is that Mrs Sharma is a great supporter of Son.

Anything wrong there? Are you not a supporter of your son? Who

doesnot support Sons/Daughters? If she is supporting a wrong

conduct , according to you, then it is her dereliction of duties.

Why you should transfer yourself under a banyan tree? If your

nephews etc do not approve of your Gita ways of living, then you

should take sanyaas? Which way is this Bhaiyyaji? Bolo ! " GITA WAY

OF LIVING " !! Approval of nephews/nieces is necessary for you? They

told you honestly that they are too young. Remember your being at

that age!

 

" Rajasic/Tamasic Creepers " !! These are the words you used for God's

children !! Pray to night before the God and say sorry to God –

don't forget to do that !! On one hand, you have registered your

house in the name of my Bhabhiji ( What a great love and

affection) , on the other hand you cannot even tolerate a sight of

her peacefully taking bites of delicious golgappes- which kind of

SAMATA ( EQUANIMITY) is this? Is not clearly a love / mineness

hidden beneath the outer layer of hate? Former is RAAG as per Gita.

Latter is DVESHA as per Gita ! Under which banyan tree you will find

practical situations like this to become EQUANIMOUS?

 

She is working in a bank. She does not need your Retirement cheque.

OK ! Now don't leave the job. Don't make them happy. Say You are not

retiring, Jee ! BECOME " Viviktadeshasevitvam " ( referred by you)

while remaining at home only. Become also " Asaktaranbhishvangam

putra daar griha dishu " ( Referred in previous sloka of BG 13).

Start accumulating money EXCLUSIVELY FOR YOURSELF AND ONLY FOR

YOURSELF_ for next 4/5 years. Don't even give an air of your current

pay cheques. Talk sweetly ! Try to throw bitterness from your

conduct. Inside your heart, there should not be an anger in you for

them, nor an ego in you as to how they will manage, nor a worry in

you, nor an impetuosity in you to know their reactions. Nor should

there be any outer proclamation of revolutionary conduct by you.

NOTHING in front. Let them ignore you. Let them drive their own

lives. When they demand anything from you, then take a call. There

you should think- CAN I DO AND SHOULD I DO ?

 

Keep in touch Jee !

 

Namaste Jee

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sharmaji Your problem is that you are too good a person but

you are taking care of your family in an obliging manner. Now

that the children have grown up and they have started reflecting

upon in their own way- you still desire an attention by them

towards you. You feel the family should circle around your wishes,

tantrums, and thoughts. Come what may- it will not happen. It is not

correct for you to so expect. Spiritualism arises from within-

Sharmaji ! It can not be inflicted by an injection in the

youngsters. Ladies across the globe are like that only. At least

yours is earning and then eating Pani puri. God may create

circumstances in which instead of pani puri ,the very you get

eaten. There is nothing unusual emanating out of your narration

which can drive you to take sanyaas . Dont give much attention to

them. Concentrate on yourself. All are good. All are of God only.

This world has been made in such a manner that it in the end imparts

sorrow only. Hence dont think of going anywhere merely because your

beloveds are not behaving as you like them to do. It is injustice.

Ignore them. Pay attention to your duties and not to the duties of

others.

 

Regards Bandook Singh

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Hari Om

 

My Dear Sharmaji ! Thanks for honest expressions. You indeed have a

pure heart. But Facts as they appear to me are that ONLY you are at

fault- I seek your forgiveness. That every soul is self

centered /selfish is not something which is a new revelation. That

nobody except Paramatma is you/yours/for you is crystal clear to

you, me and all. PROBLEM WITH ALL OF US IS THAT WE KNOW BUT WE DON'T

ACCEPT TILL WE GET SHOCKS ! We know that this body, world, kith and

kin are not ours but still we complain that they don't listen to

words of wisdom. Now what is special about it? It is so ab initio.

But going under some banyan tree is not the answer to your emotional

confusions and complaints. Bitterness, complaint,

frustration,dejection,helplessness, rejection of present status,

expectations of a better conduct from your beloveds, feeling of self

worthlessness , likings , dislikings, cold anger, desire, all of

them are existing inside you and you only. Will your mind not emit

those emotions under a banyan tree? Will the memories not haunt you

there? Believe me – they will !

 

Now what to do ? Consider if you are so insistent on the following.

1. Don't leave the job 2. Take a small house nearby your existing

house on rent and shift there- all alone.3. Stop spending a penny on

any one except on yourself. 4. If kith and kin come to you, tell

them with folded hands --, " Thanks. Now I shall concentrate on

myself.I have a lot to do for myself. Please don't worry about me. I

shall take care of myself. Please be happy. God Bless you, all " .

Then start your sadhana as a " Bhakti Yogi " . ( My earlier suggestion

was reg Karma Yoga).

 

Start concentrating on " self " . Start eliminating- as Shashikalaji

told you- " Raag " ( Likings) and " Dvesha " ( Dislikings) from your

conduct. Your real enemies are Raag and Dvesha. Try to put "

Equanimity " in your conduct. What is the problem to you if Mrs

Sharma likes " golgappes " ? According to you she should eat only what

you want her to eat – Is it? This is example of Raag/Dvesha ! You

have to conquer this. No you cant make youngsters behave as you want

them to behave. YOU CANNOT ! Can you control your own mind and body?

No !

 

You need a lot to do with your own reference!

 

Believe in what Swamiji says in Sadhak Sanjeevani or Sadhan Sudha

Sindhu. Believe that nothing is yours. Believe that " I am of God

and ONLY God is mine. " Never give up your job – else there is a

danger that you shall lose both ends. " DUVIDHA MAIN DONO GAYE ,

MAYA MILI NA RAAM " ( In dilemma, I lost both. World as well as

God) ! Start implementing Swamiji's teachings. You have reached to

present state of " Vairagya " ( Dispassion) only because you served

in the past your wife and children. SERVICE DESTROYS MINENESS- it is

a principle given for benefit of entire humanity by Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. Live such dozens and dozens of laws/principles

stated by Taat Shree in His books/discourses/messages etc.

Concentrate more on that !!

 

There are other methods also. Keep writing/reading. You are in a

right, divine forum.

 

Your kith and kin shall ignore you only so long as you consider them

to be " yours " . The moment you really believe that they are not

yours, they will become " Godly " for you ! Try this !! All dirt is

there in " mineness " only.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas NB

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Respected All,

 

I am greatful for the guidance.

 

Dear Sadhna Karigar ji, very sensible indeed. My problem is that I am

a total failure or misfit in the society. I do not attend the

marriage parties where lot of noisy filmy songs and DJ dances etc.

make me sick even if I keep safe distance. I do not attend birthday

parties because the children celebrating the birthdays are more

interested in the gifts they get " we the gift-givers turn

them into greedy beings. I do not approve of my only son's obsession

with learning modern filmy dance and his addition to cell phone and

TV (he does not like even my watching the news channel) " I am a

total failure as a father for no fault of mine. I cannot take my

wife for outings because she is fond of eating " golgappe " etc and

above all she is a great supporter of her son's activities basically

completely spoiling him from spiritual point of view and making him

into a socially clever fellow. My daughter is in the job and

interested in getting materialistically rich just like any other

young lady. My nephews and niece do not approve of my Gita's way of

life, they say they are too young for these boring things. No one in

my family circle is interested in Swamiji's literature, but in Shani

Mandir and tantrik puja etc. I have realized to the core of my

heart that I cannot change or influence anyone in my family for their

real betterment. Wife and son are feeling happy at my idea of

premature retirement as they will get a few more lakhs of rupees.

Wife works in a bank. I am not finding fault with anyone, but that

is their " prarabdha " . Should I continue to be in the family to

nourish the " rajsik and tamsik " creepers (though all this

is " vasudevam sarvamiti " )? It would be a pleasure should I

become manure for any " satvik " plant.

 

Gita also teaches - Viviktadeshsevitvam, aratirjansansadi (dwelling

in a secluded place and lack of desire to be in the crowd) supports

my decision to seek sanyas. Though I want to be in the company of

the saints " bodhyantah parasparam " .

 

Dear Prem Khullar ji, while I agree with you fully, and by seeking

retirement and entering into the Sanyas, I am sure I can better

serve God's needy creatures with more freedom and time. I have been

studying and conserving birds and their habitats in Haryana since

1976 ˜sarvabhoot hite ratah " .

 

Dear N K Srinivasan ji, nice suggestion. I want to have regular and

continuous ˜darshanâ " of saints ˜gyan vigyan astikyam "

 

Shashikala bahan, I am a complete failure in family life and will be

a big failure if I persist in my meaningless social efforts. I am

reading the scriptures in general and Sadhak Sanjivani / Sadhak

Sudha Sindhu in particular. Your arguments are faultless, yet I want

to run away from the consumerist society and want to lead a perfect

peaceful natural life under some banyan tree in an ashram. Your

˜bhabhi " is interested in money and will be happy to get my post-

retirement cash and monthly pension; I have already registered the

house in her name. For myself, I do not need much and out of my Rs

15000 plus monthly pension, I just need one fifth of it at the most.

I do not think in this modern society my family members, present

and/or would be, will be interested in a ˜yagyaacharatah karma " Let

them be in their fool's paradise (if I can use the term of Henry

David Thoreau).

 

Dear Mahalaksmi Dasi ji, I appreciate your optimism. But I am a sort

of " sarvaarambh prityagi " .

 

Dear Hari Shanker Deo, I am seeking company of spiritual people and

something within me says " get out of this dirty consumerist social

life " .

 

Dear Vineet Sarvottam ji, Is there some Ashram in Churu also? Yes,

you are right. I recall Kabir's vani ˜rahna nahi, desh begana hai "

 

Dear Vyas ji, I am indeed indebted to you for detailed guidance,

practical and yet spiritual.

 

Still, I am a little confused.

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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Sir,

You must develop faith on our scriptures and establish firm

relationship with Gita itself can give you guidance on where to go,

what to do etc. Me too is 53 by age but I never feel my age because

I am engaged in service. Never worry about future or my past. We

must live in present. We are never free from responsibilities. Our

main duty is to know and serve. The more we know the more we serve.

Offer our service to the Lord while doing and we must leave it. Take

up the next till the Central Government terms end. We never end our

karma till the time of our departure from here. So that do not think

about a retirement from central government job. Still you can get

engaged in Gita service and the service with the Lord if you change

your attitude, not your situation. You have no control over the

situation only control is to develop over your mind.

Love, krishna das.

 

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If at some point in time when you are closer to a decision, you can

help us to help the needy children for their education, health and

mind.

 

Padmanabhan Sundaram

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhak,

Swamiji Ramsukhdasji, never encouraged such things as like taking

early retirement , he never asked anyone to leave the job and take

sanyaas (as far as I understand his teachings.)

yr desire could be called a Satvik desire, but no matter what desire

leads to sufferings. So Swamiji says-donot even desire for

liberation/mukti.

Only desire for God is Worth desiring.Have only one desire-

Krishna/God and He will show you the path to reach Him.

 

Yogusth kuru karmani(Do yr karma while established in Yoga)

Working or retired doesnot obstruct yr path for self

enlightenment.Start yr spiritual journey RIGHT NOW, at this very

moment, wherever you are.Donot make it a future goal.

 

Nasto Vidhyate Bhao, Nabhao vidhyate satah (Gita 2:16)

The unreal has no existence and the real has no cessation...

So nomatter where you are the Real is with you every moment and the

unreal is leaving you every moment.

 

Detachment from the unreal is sanyaas, and knowing the difference

between what is real and what is unreal is Knowledge (Gita Ch 13 &

14)

 

Accepting everything as God's is Bhakti (Vasudev Sarvam)

 

Now tell me to follow any of these paths-karma yoga, gyaan yoga or

bhakti yoga, where do you need to go ?

Nowhere/anywhere/everywhere ?

 

Kasturi Kundal basi mrig dhundhe van mahi---(the aroma is coming out

from deer's own naval but he is running in the forest to find the

source/ Krishna/God is sitting right in our heart, but we are trying

to find Him outside)

 

with lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Suresh Sharma ji,

 

WHERE TO GO ? WHERE CAN YOU GO ? NO WHERE . EVERY THING IS HERE . I

was an air force officer for 22 years. I retired 27 years back . I

am here running a 50 bed charitable hospital and various programs.

READ GITA , FOLLOW IT AND DO NOT BOTHER ABOUT THIS LIFE AND DEATH '

CHAKKAR'. It will be what ever it may be or whatever it has to be .

 

SERVE THE WORLD TO THE HILT - CEASELESSLY ,UNENDLESSLY AND FOR EVER.

LOVE

 

PREM KHULLAR

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Dear Sharmaji,

After retirement,I would suggest that you visit several pilgrim

centres and sacred temples,like a Parivrajika, with a few items with

you.Asmall suitcase and a bag.By such visits, your mind will be

purified and also you will learn more about our poeple ,their forms

of devotion and thier simple,humble ways.The railway tickets are

quite low and you need not sppend much.After say two or three years

of religious wandering or pilgrimages, you can select a place or

ashram or suitable palce to stay...This I learnt after my own

wanderings after the age of sixty.You are much younger and should be

easy for you.You will learn more about Bharat,our motherland after

that.

Regards,

In Shirdi Sai Smaran,

N K Srinivasan

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Jai Hanuman

 

No Bhaiyya Sharmaji. This " more or less over " with reference

to " duties " of marital life is not acceptable. Nor did I like your

last words - " where to go " !!

 

But your gesture/sentiment/approach is laudable- no questions about

the same!

 

WHERE TO GO ? - No where Dear. Remain where ever you are. Start now

a new life with no outer change. Concentrate on removing " Raag " (

Likings) and " Dvesha " (Dislikings) from your mind / intellect/

thoughts /psyche /person ! They are roots of your worldly stays of

past, present and future!

Read Scriptures/ Swamiji in spare time. Think about the soul, your

role in this Divine Lila !

 

By the way who are you to decide whether you should work or not? Did

you check up with Bhabhiji ( Mrs Sharma) ? Do as she says. No

arguments on this.

 

Have you planned adequately for your old age ? Who will instil God

in grand children? Who will guide them to righteousness? Who will

create cultural base for them and for the family ? Who will set

examples of selfless conduct? Who will make them better humans? Only

grand parents can do that- not the parents!

 

No Running away Bhaiyya! Stay put !! There are lot of things to do !

We will discuss if you actively participate !

 

Ever thought what should be your goal for balance life? It should

be " O God- I should not be coming back again in this world in any

type of body- unless you sponsor me as your representative for your

work. I should be free forever from this circle of birth and death " .

Think on these lines. Get rid of all worldly

attachments/connections/mineness by continuously and selflessly

serving all people around you with all the things you have - without

expecting anything from them in return In dreams even do not

visualise a situation where you get dependent over any worldly

body/thing. You get retired without actually retiring merely by

relinquishing dependence over the same ! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !!

 

Get free! Feel free ! Dream Free ! Seek freedom ! Remaining where

ever you are ! There is no need to go anywhere ! Make your home

itself a temple. Love all . See God in all. Don't establish

any " new " connection/relationship/attachment with any body/thing-

for getting anything worldly out of them. Concentrate on self and on

conscience.

 

KABIRA KHADA BAJAAR MAIN SABKI MAANGE KHAIR !

 

NA KAHOO SE DOSTI NA KAHOO SE VAIR !!

 

Says Saint Kabir - I am standing in this market (worldly life)

wishing good for all and sundry. I have neither any friends (

likings- Raag) nor any enemies (dislikings- Dvesha) !

 

That is real sanyaas ! My Dear Brother ! That is real retirement !

Not leaving or not leaving the Government Service !!

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

 

 

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My dandavat pranams to all in this fourm......responsibilities have

kept me so busy that I have neglected this beautiful forum, sadly.

In regard to this sacred question....what to do when one is

encountering the need to absorb oneself in spiritual practices for

oneself and others. I know that this is not exactly how the

question was worded, but truly, it is what I heard....because you

have come to the point of saying, " Where do I go from here " .....

indeed, age is not truly the criterion for one being ready to absorb

oneself in full devotion.....it is a point where one finally

accepts, " I have no business in this world save and except to live

for bhajan, for glorifying the lord, for providing knowledge of Gita

to others. "

 

I have accepted Los Angeles as my place to execute this

activity.....it is where the Lord has put me. Pray for guidance,

and it will come....Los Angeles has many, many groups of sadhaks, as

well as a very high level of vegetarian communities, vegan, raw,

east Indian, etc......and there are so so many people to give some

time and energy to as far as speaking on Bhagavat dharma. But than,

almost any city in the world these days, is needing Hari Katha to

purify the atmosphere.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

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Stay where you are. Seek a genuine Guru/Guru within. He will lead

you towards the right path. Meditate and seek the company of

spiritual people.

Hari Shanker Deo

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Shri Sureshji, This is the same question that I had asked Swamiji

fourteen years back, while considering retirement - (should I go to

Rushikul, or Churu, or Rishikesh, or Gorakhpur), then his reply is

something that is useful to you - " Brother, wherever you are, remain

there as is, always " longing and desiring " , then your work will be

done. Because that Paramatma which you think about attaining in

Gorakhpur, or Rishikesh etc. that very same Paramatma wholly and

entirely is at this very moment close to you, now and at all

times. What more, you yourself are wise and patient, but when it

comes to relationship with Paramatma, the impatience (that intense

longing) works ! Very well!

 

Vineet Sarvottam

 

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Hari Om

 

Dear Shri Sharmaji

 

At the outset welcome! Great things in life don't wait for any

retirement. No outside activity can accelerate your turning towards

the ultimate. If your family has slightest of the need for your

continuing doing the Govt Job - Please unhesitantly continue doing

that. Swamiji always advocated " 24 x 7 " work. Consider after having

fulfilled your responsibilities at this age of 53 ( I am also 53 and

have done all that is necessary for my family responsibilities,

married both daughters, a son and another son is ready for marriage,

all well settled- only difference is I am employed in private

sector) as to whether whatever you earn honourably and justfully out

of your employment- you should use them for welfare and benefit of

1. Those for whom you still have mineness/attachment (including your

body)- with a special sentiment always awakened in you inside that "

they are not you/yours/for you " 2 Those for whom you have no

mineness/attachment.

 

That is one way you can plan. Check up with your better half if she

wants you to continue working. If she says even " may be " or " as you

think fit " - work! Work so that you may never seek economic

dependence upon anyone for rest of your life. Work so that you may

be of help to category 2 people ( stated in preceding paragraph)!

Work in government without accepting anything extra. Live there like

a lotus in water. You can. You should. Work so that you may see God

whereever you get engaged in.

 

Ensure that today you don't need anybody for anything pertaining to

your balance stay in this world. If you feel some are dependent upon

you( say wife)- serve them with double intensity and speed.

 

But keep a thought burning inside you - " I am of God, Only God is

mine, nothing else is mine " . Don't expect anything from anybody-

even from God. Keep utilising whatever you have for benefit and

welfare of whoever comes in touch with you - if you can and if you

should.

 

All extra time in your life should be utilised in reading Swamiji's

books, Gita, Ramayana, listening to Swamiji's pravachans, singing

bhajans, doing keertans and remaining in good company always.

 

This is one way. Another totally different way - next time.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

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Great idea!!!!!

I have been doing the same because I have also been influenced very

deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. We might be able to do share some

thoughts on some projects

 

Satya Kalra

 

 

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Respected Vyasji and others,

 

I am 53 and may seek premature retirement from my central govt

service. Married and family responsibilities are more or less over.

 

I want to spend my post-retirement life in the company of Gita

scholars/students/lovers. I have been influenced deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj.

 

Can you kindly guide me where to go?

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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NEW POSTING

 

Hari Om

 

Of the responses in favour of retirement/sanyaas , Sadhaks should

consider response of A V Raghunath.

 

After having rendered self less service to the immediate family and

THEREBY- ONLY thereby -gaining dispassion- vairagya or finding one

self " in nothing left to be done for family " state, if at all one

has liking for retirement, then one should migrate to one's native

place. After serving family, the next in line is " society " , you owe

society a lot in fact. There you will find ample opportunities of

redeeming subtle debts and becoming totally debt free. If such a

native place is a small village/town- it is wonderful.

There one should indulge in cow service. Service to the down

trodden. Service to the elders... And slowly, slowly by rendering

selfless service lead the self to egolessness/minelessness.

 

However there are considerations of one's present state while

contemplating. It should NEVER be out of bitterness or anger or

frustration or helplessness or hatred or rejection or to teach

lesson to some one or out of the fact that you have been defeated or

self criticism or self perceived failure. NEVER. It should emerge

out of peace generating naturally in you of having lived a life of

Karma Yogi ( Household, Grihastha) for say 25/35 years and out of

the fact that by and large your house hold duties have come to an

end and you are not having any " real dependents " upon you- like old

parents or wife.

 

So long old parents are alive, if there are capable brothers, and

parents give consent, then it is another matter but otherwise, the

real God is in their feet only.

 

As regards better half, an option and always guilt free option

should be made honourably available to her. Live with your children

if you want, live with me the way I do or live alone in the home if

you like and are comfortable - do whenever you want whatever out of

the three options. Handover every worldly possession to her

gracefully , as a matter of duty and live your life with bare

minimum ( out of a portion of say pension or some fixed income) .

Total freedom should be given ti her respectfully with access of

yourself always available to her- unconditionally - till you breath

your last.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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PRIOR POSTING

 

 

Shree Hari

|| Ram Ram ||

 

Dear Sureshji,

Thank you very much for sharing your personal issue so candidly. In

some form or another many of the sadhakas face similar situations.

This is a great example of journey for a sadhaka marching

from 'Vishad Yoga' towards the 'Moksha Sanyasa Yoga'. The quality,

speed and number of responses received on this topic were very

impressive, encouraging and helpful with which you seem to found the

answer. This shows the positive dynamism of the blessed Gita-talk

group. It is not surprising to see since the group was started on

holy inspiration by none other than Swamiji Maharaj.

 

Few more comments:

 

1. Generally when we talk about Sanyasa, it is leaving the world and

going to the forest but Gitaji clearly defines who is a true

Sanyasi, " a Nitya Sanyasi or ever a renunciate is the one who

neither hates nor desires (Ref: Gita 5-3, Jneyah sa nityasanyasi yon

a dvestu na kanksati …).

 

2. During our spiritual journey, we are not to become despondent

while facing adverse situations, Swamji Maharaj said that we should

stay happy in all circumstances, this in itself is a great tapas

(austerity). In the introduction to Sadhak Sanjiveeni, Swamiji says

that there is no situation or a setting in our lives which we cannot

use to help us advance in our spiritual path.

 

3. No body is to be blamed for our seemingly bad situation or the

circumstances, it is due to our own prarabhada, people on the scene

happen to be delivering what is supposed to come to us due to our

own past karmas.

 

4. The beauty of the spiritual journey is to transform our life such

as to provide us with peace, harmony, joy and stability at all of

our personality levels - physical, mental, emotional and spiritual.

With an attitude of love, understanding and cooperation all issues

can be resolved as they affect us.

 

5. Gitaji is teaching us to do our Swa-dharma (duty) at all times

keeping in view the Ashram, Varna (Caste) and situation at hand, our

duty is not to be shunned at any time (Ref: Gitaji 2/31-37). Also,

our Swadharma or duty is not to judge other as to whether they are

doing their duty.

 

6. The ideal attitude is to strive for is to have no insistence (no

Agraha), we can advise or suggest in a pleasant manner but we should

not insist or even expect that others must follow our advice. The

insistence that people should listen to us only, do what we say,

will give us nothing but pain to us and others.

 

7. The world outside of us is nothing but a projection of our mind

only. (Ref: Gitaji 7-5, jivabhatam mahabahio, yaye `dam dharyate

jagat). In a given setting, it is said that 90% is the attitude and

10% the situation. With the change in our attitude of loving,

understanding and not finding faults, we will start to radiate peace

and joy only, the others will take us as a good living example and

will consider an ideal to follow, what a great one does, other

follow. (Ref: Gita: 3-21, yad-yad acarati sesthas, tad-tad evataro

janah ….). We read examples, at hermitage of saints, even the

animals of opposite nature live together in peace.

 

Few illustrations:

 

a). Life on earth is like waiting room on a railway station, people

come there, stay together for some time and then go their own ways.

Separation is the sure thing in this world, nothing is permanent, so

why get excited about something so temporary.

 

b). Just like on the bed of the river there are sand particles, they

travel with the moving stream, some times they come together and

other times they separate. The relatives and friends have come

together to separate only in the end. We just have to pay the dues,

sometimes we receive and other times we pay back. After the account

is squared off, debt is clear, our account is closed.

 

c). Just like when the boat is in the water, water should not get in

the boat, similarly, we should live in the world but the world

should not get into us. --- Sri Ramakrishna

 

d). It does not matter which direction the ship is sailing in but

Compass always points to the north. In the same way, does not which

activity of the world we are doing, keep our mind on God. --- Sri

Ramakrishna

 

Ram Ram

Humble pranams,

Madan Kaura

 

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Priy sadhak

As you say you want to retire ! So leave everything including " what

you should do " to the God. Be a toy in hands of God, play with God

as son plays with parents. " Hoihe soi jo ram rachi rakha ko kari

tarak badave sakha Ram siya Ram siya ram jai jai ram. "

Thanx

Raja Gurdasani

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Varun ji,

 

I am indeed grateful to all of you who have lighted candles in my

dark room. The final result is that I am not seeking retirement from

my office and will continue to remain with the family.

 

When I mentioned something about my family members, my purpose was

not to judge/degrade them. It was merely that I as a hubby, as a

father, as a guardian, in my social context was feeling exhausted

like an old cow, unable to yield milk and then the owners deciding

to sell it to the butcher and get some money.

 

Now, when I am convinced that the family members like many many

others in the world are heading towards the bottomless well/pit and

are not listening to the wise counsels of the great saints then, how

long will I continue dragging myself towards the pit with them? My

possessive wife does not stop me from reading scriptures, rather she

assists me in that, but because she out of her own insecurity and

cruel possessiveness of me feels a little comfortable that " at

least, the hubby is at home " Her " God puja " consists of single point

" sakaam bhavâ " that hubby remains in her grip and so remains other

members of the family (Shashikala bahan, I AM NOT TERMING MY WIFE

IS COPPER AS IRON, BUT DO NOT EXPECT ME TO CALL HER COPPER AS GOLD).

When I use the word " creepers " for her and other members, my aim was

not " creep " but the creeping plant which wants to grow up always

seeking support, i.e., dependency on others. Let me assure my

learned readers/participants that I am nearly detached " but I love

to be with nature, eco-friendly ashrams, Gita loving people, simple

and honest persons " not because of some desire/lust, because as the

Swamiji mentions " underground water is everywhere, but our purpose

is served only by the handpump/well "

 

Life so far, in family context, has been a " Tale told by an idiot,

full of sound and fury, signifying nothing " , borrowing from

Shakespeare and its end if continued the way my wife and others want

me to go on, will be ˜not with a bang, but with a whimper " again

borrowing from T.S. Eliot.

 

I was not talking of sanyaas/retirement to become something

else " when there is lot of noise coming from the loudspeakers around

you (round the clock), the only option is either get out for some

other place or put some earplugs for ever. Nevertheless, woman is a

purgatory " no one knows better than I do.

 

I have been to the Gita Bhawan, Rishikesh several times and was

present there when the Swamiji breathed his last but detached and

aloof. If someone can please tell whom I should meet there, I will

not waste a single day and will be happy to travel to Rishikesh

again.

 

Thank you all from the core of my heart. All of you have helped me a

lot and thanks a lot to the moderator for running such a wonderful

divine group. You have not only taken me to the divine water but

have made me to drink it.

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

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Dear sadaks,

 

To seek God or liberate or to do perfect sadhana (spiritual

disciplines) if these are within our efforts, we could have been

long ago become one with Godhood. Since we are only trying but not

with complete renunciation, we are coming back here again and again.

This is our experience. Sadhaks touch your hearts and say is this

not true? Truth is always like neem leaf taste - bitter. Illusion is

like sugar.

 

Mr. Sharma question is answered in so many angles. We have dealt so

much about surrender earlier.

 

One`s Karma only Bhagavan knows as HE said to Arjuna that past,

present and future HE knows. Mr. Suresh can stay where he is, he can

surrender to God, let HIM (Bhagavan) decide where and how to be.

Then the path will be perfect. Saying things like - you should do

like this, you have to see about your grandchildren, you have to see

to your parents, and so on. The truth is ultimately what happens is

HIS will. Just surrender and be relaxed like Prahalad.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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Sanyaas is one of the four Ashramas in our scriptures. Who is to

enter it, when is he to enter it, is dependent on the dictates of

the Shastras (scriptures) – not on our conveniences and

inconveniences faced in life. It is not an escape route.

 

Shri Bhagawaan has also said:

 

Tasmaat-shaastram pramaanam te kaarya-akaarya vyavasthitau/

Gyaatvaa shaastra-vidhaan-oktam karma kartum iha-arhasi// 16:24

 

" Therefore let the scriptures be the authority in determining what

ought to be done and what ought not to be. Having known what is

prescribed in the ordinance of scriptures, you should act

accordingly in this world. " (Gita 6:24)

 

Respectful regards,

 

Dr. Ranjeet Singh.

 

 

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Hare Krishna

 

Mahalakshmiji, you have indeed hit the bull's eye. No doubt about

it. Sureshji, if your family is stopping you from walking towards

God, then just renounce it. Don't give a second thought to it. After

death of this body, only dharma and God will go with you. No one

else.

But from your posting, it doesn't seem so. It seems that they are

not stopping you but they are merely disinterested of your

inclination towards spirituality.

 

Also your reason for Sanyaas is not detachment and dispassion but

dislike. The reason for this dislike is your family is not

conducting themselves as per your expectations. If you had not

expected anything from them then you wouldn't have been so confused.

 

And also one who has expectations how can he become a sanyaasi??

Lord says " Arjuna, you must know that what they call Sanyasa is no

other than Yoga; for none becomes a Yogi, who has not abandoned His

sankalpas(thoughts of the world) " (Gita 6.2)

 

Expectation comes only after sankalpa. After clinging on a worldly

thought, a desire erupts. (Gita 2.62) Sanyaas is for those who don't

have any worldly thoughts. You have failed in HSC (renouncement of

desire) but you want to pass post-graduation (sanyaas)!! [Graduation

is to be freed from worldly thoughts.]

 

Sureshji, please don't take theka of others. Just send your family

on a vacation, on a long long vacation. You might have read this in

Swamiji's books

 

TERE BHAVE JO KARE BARO BHULO SANSAR

NARAYAN TU BAITHKE APNO BHUVAN BHUVAR

 

Sir, just chill out and engage in God. Don't worry about them. God

is more worried about them than you can imagine. Just serve them and

break your mineness. That's it.

 

If you are still confused then go to Gita-Bhawan, (Rishikesh,

Swargashram) and take wise council of those souls who have been

closely associated with Swamiji for many years. Reveal to them all

what you said here and they will guide you surely.

 

Thanks,

 

Hare Krishna

Varun P. Paprunia

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Dear Suresh Sharma,

 

RETIREMENT WITH A MISSION IS LIKE A FLOWER WITH FRAGRANCE.

 

We greatly appreciate your willingness to seek suggestions for your

retirement era. Please consider tracing your roots and adopt and

rehabilitate your ancestral village. Everyone of us must take care

of our own mother, our own mother tongue and our own mother

(ancestral) village. the great need of this time is applied Bhagavad

Gita.

 

Sincerely,

A.V.Raghunath

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One has to go within and find the true self......

one has to practice whatever has been read and understood to

experience the true self....

Understanding is whole thing.....

 

Sushil Jain

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

Hari Om

 

Some final thoughts on the subject:

 

1 Never look out for an acknowledgement from family of what you have

done for them. It is a desire not liked by God. It hurts your

spiritual goals. A curt answer that whatever you did was your duty

will then hurt you more.

 

2 Never seek mercy from near and dears. An answer that you were

foolish enough will readily come. Self pity also doesn't make

surroundings really strong. It is contagious.

 

3 Never impose your thoughts over the family members. You will have

no answer to the counter question as to whether every soul is

independent or not.

 

AKKAL SHARIRA OOPAJE, DIYA LAAGE DAMB

 

Wisdom arises from within. If some body tries to impose it, he is

perceived as poisonous snake.

 

Don't invite disrespect for you.

 

4 Remember each soul is accumulating Karmas of their own. You have

got connected with them because of contractual karmic obligations

and the moment accounts are settled, all will part ways. It is a law.

 

5 Set examples of decent conduct irrespective of its immediate

results/reception. Children will use them when there is real need

for the same irrespective of your presence at that time.

 

6 Serve, Serve and Serve. Destroy mineness/ego/likings and

dislikings using one weapon only- expectationless service. That is

possible only when you are in your home- dealing with people who are

not " actually " yours. Once the thought comes in your mind that they

are not " yours " the service by you becomes real and divine and lifts

you spiritually. Before that it is " selfish " - arising out of

mineness and hence done for self and hence producing bondage. Lucky

are those guys who realise before serving that the servicee

is " actually " not mine.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

 

MY respects to all in this foorum....

I am noting the interest in this topic....very strong indeed!

One has to think deeply and ponder all the varieties of responses.

Let me add one more thought into the mix.....my gurudeva, A.C.

Bhaktivedanta Swami, mentioned occasionally to his disciples that

the last straw which drove him to finally take sannyas was when his

wife traded his Srimad Bhagavatam for tea. She had threatened, and

he told her, " tea, or me " ......she made the choice. So, there is

definitely a line which a sadhu must draw, of being willing to

tolerate only to a certain extent.

Are there offenses to the concepts of Guru, shastra, or sadhu in

the home? Analyze this before deciding whether it is a fit place

to reside. And then know, that purification will surely take place

once having departed.....again, another story from the life of my

guru, is that shortly after leaving for sannyas, he was gored by a

bull. I do not remember so much the story, but it is documented in

various places.....there is a biography six volumes called Srila

Prabhupada Lilamrta if you have inclination. Even one whose only

intent WAS and IS to spread bhakti, to give an opportunity to others

to learn Sanatan dharma....still....so much pain and suffering on an

external level. So, know that whatever you choose, you must come

to the level of " atmarama " finding pleasure in the self alone. This

level is very high....and to attain it, you may certainly need to

take steps to seek out exalted association....the Lord will guide

you if you sincerely cry out to Him.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

Finally a short practical event from every day life:

 

You are in a car which stops at a signal. A beggar spreads his hands

and you give say Dollar one to him. A friend sitting beside will

call that payment as " donation " . So will God.

 

You reach home and your son comes to you and seeks money. You give

him say Dollar one to him. Same friend will not call that payment as

donation. Nor will God.

 

Why?

 

Now compare these two payments. At both places you did your duty. At

both places you didn't expect money to be returned. At both places

you wanted the recepient to become happy. At both places you

renounced.

 

What was the difference between the two payments then? This is

question !

 

Answer is - To the beggar you never considered to be " mine " while

paying. But you considered your son to be " mine " while paying. What

else was the difference? This difference has changed the very karma

and its results.

 

If you give monthly expenses to your wife without considering,

inside your heart, her to be " mine " - Law of Karma will classify the

entire amount as " donation " . If not- bondage!

 

How easy ! How practical!! How Simple!!! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Hare Krishna

 

As I understand, Sanyaas should be taken only when one is completely

detached (teevra vairagya). In some cases such a soul does not

renounce world, in fact the world renounces him. Example of

Shukdevji fits the bill, whereas in case of Arjuna and Janaka etc

even after realization they did not take sanyaas. A sadhak should

make his spiritual practice in accordance with the situation he is

in. If solitude becomes must for sadhak's spiritual progress then

God will change his situation where he can do his sadhan alone.

 

Sadhak's duty is only to serve others and not to find anyone's

fault. If anyone's fault is visible then rather than hating him,

sadhak should pity him and pray to God for his welfare. The biggest

point in serving is to fulfill other's ethical wishes. He should not

force his spiritual views on worldly people, because it will prove

counter-productive. Swamiji gave discourses only to serve humanity.

He never sported attitude of " I can improve others. I am more

knowledgeable than others etc " . Whatever Swamiji gave He gave only

with the intention to serve. We should also carry the same sentiment.

 

Hare Krishna,

 

Varun P. Paprunia

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Jai Hanuman

 

 

 

Yeah ! It is Marcus Brutus " Dear Julius Ceaser !! Dear Bhaiyya !

Hope you didn't mind my arrow like response. We at GT Group are like

a family. I keep on taking such liberties. Bad habit according to my

Hubby. In fact, I had to go through a snub from my Hubby but then I

wrote what indeed I felt right. Welcome to this family. Please keep

writing and contributing. You are now a part of really selfless and

divine forum. Please keep sharing your views. In fact " Et tu Brutus "

I should also say because of your humble and genuine approach and

your capacity to appreciate such brutal attack. Hats Off to you. May

Lord Krishna be always with you. Indeed you have a heart made of

Gold. This world is sustained on the strength of people like you.

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

 

Shashikala

 

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Dear Sir,

 

Since you are still young at 53, you should devote some more years

in doing your karma by doing social work of your liking and to the

uplift of down trodden and poor people.

 

Best regards,

Sivaraman.V

 

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Jai Hanuman

 

We as humans have to face this peculiar creation made by God as an

acid test.This world is simply an examination hall for each and

every human being. Here is the world which like greggary(sweet) or

salt from which ever side or way you " consume " it is sorrowful.

(DUKHALAYAM) Biggest treachery comes from the closest people. There

is no way a permanent element can derive pleasure out of temporary

element. Now what is our role? How to go about it? How to conquer?

How to pass with distinction marks from this examination?

 

Art of Living in this world as taught by Swamiji is simple. Don't

try to change the circumstances. Change yourself. Don't judge

others. Judge yourself. Problem is that generally we judge others

and pardon ourselves. It should be reverse. Once you concentrate on

your duties and others' rights - you are on right path. But ego does

not often let us do that. We often end up talking about our rights

and others' duties. How wife should behave, how children should

behave etc etc. What we don't pay attention to is that " talking "

doesnot help. Conduct or silent example setting before the kids

helps.If you want some one to live as per Gita- the best way is to

live yourself as per Gita. At the appropriate hour the vibrations

will be caught by the children. Any hurry or insistence invariably

gets counter productive. You have no capacity to mould others as per

your wishes. That you can't do. You have capacity to mould yourself

as per wishes of others. That you can do. Where is the wisdom in

attempting what we can't do and ignoring what we can do !

 

I oppose bitterly this " mind " only because it always suggests what

we can't do. From the perspective of mind it is natural because it

exists in " nothingness " only- past/future! But from ever

existing " self " point of view- it proves fatal. Hence scriptures ask

you to drop reliance on mind.

 

Once we are on right path- what is my duty - the result in due

course is miraculous and unbelievable !!

 

What is the result ? Result is that " dukhalayam " gets converted

practically into " God " Himself (Vasudevah Sarvam) ! Once you don't

desire anything from anyone - then that anyone becomes God -as far

as you are concerned. This is something which sounds extra ordinary

but my experience has taught me that it is true.

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sadhak

Dear Suresh Sharma

I feel while remaining with the family, you can still have God

realisation by having detached view, Sakshi bhav, surrendering

fruits of all actions to God, leaving Karta Bhav and of course

meditation and Bhakti to wards Supreme God what so ever name you

call him

Thanks

 

 

G K Agrawal

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Hare Krsna

 

Respected Suresh ji

 

I have been following your mail and the replies. I fully understand

you confusion. Please don't lose your faith in Sri Krishna. Give

your thought or desire some time. If your faith and devotion is

strong and it doesn't deplete with time and surroundings and

circumstances Sri Krishna will show you some way out. In the

meantime completely surrender to Sri Krishna. He will take care of

your problem.As Sri Krishna states in the BG 9:22 " Ananyas

cintayanto maam ye.....yoga-ksemam vahamy aham "

 

Hare Krsna

" srivally k "

 

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Hari Om

 

Sharmaji ! Did you observe what Mike told ? " I don't judge " ! How

can you judge creation made by our Great Father ? After all we are

His children only - nothing more! Consider the " certainty " flowing

out of Mike's expression and experience! I told you before that you

are " pure " (open) hearted person ! This is how spiritual

reconciliations take place- notwithstanding

culture/caste/colour/country/civilisation etc !!! That is where Holy

Gitaji and Saints like Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj shine like Polar

Star!

 

" My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this! "

 

That is real " advice " ! That is what is " warranted " !! You can't

be " Judge " in this world made by Paramatma !! That is " Satsanga " !

That is " nectar " ! That is " Divine " ! This is " Mantra " ! This

is " guidance " ! Believe me on that ! ( I am taking this liberty of

asking you to " believe me " because you addressed the Question to me,

too )

 

That propels you to shed your " ego " ,your " intellect " ,

your 'mind, " .your " " mamata " (mineness) , your " likings " ( Raag) and

your " dislikings " (Dvesha) !.That requires you to get rid of

your " antahkarana " - by not acknowledging the same to be " yours " !

 

That makes you subdued too. That also makes you a child. That is

reality. That is " SAT " within the meaning of Gitaji.

 

That is " viveka " (Conscience), my Dear Sharmaji !

 

This is " Geeta Talk Group " ! Most certainly this is " Humanity " !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Dear Sharmaji,

 

I don't see why you have to go any where.

If you are comfortable in the place you have lived all these years,

just stay there. If not, just find a surrounding you are comfortable

with.

You already love Gita Ji and also have been deeply influenced by

the books of a particular Swami. You have Internet, pretty much

wherever you are. Just translate sections of the book you like

to English. If it is already in English, re-write in your words.

Share your insight with others, who may be interested.

That is one way to spread your learning among others who may not

have thought of such things, but not averse to it.

Even if you can spread it to one other individual, that is plenty.

You can also share on the Internet. Start a blog site to

post your insights.You are all ready in parama-satsangh.

Joyfully participate in life- you can only do it, when you have

internally withdrawn.

 

 

Enjoy

 

KST

Koti Sreekrishna

 

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Dear Suresh Sharmaji, Let us follow the Lord in doing good karma and

you can think of joining us . --Prem

 

 

Prem Kumar Khullar

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Dear Shashikala bahan,

 

Et tu Brutus.

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Dear Sadhna Karigar ji,

 

Much help indeed.

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Dear Mike,

 

Your affection has wrapped me from all sides. (Manas : ab mohi bha

bharos

Hanumanta / Binu harikripa milahi nahi santa - Now, I am convinced

Hanuman that

without God’s grace, we cannot even meet the saints)

__________________

 

Dear Pratap Bhatt ji,

 

Your words have opened my eyes, and they make me sad also, though I

know the

truth of ‘shubhashubh prityagi’

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Dear Baiya Sathyanarayan,

 

Your words are like torch to me. I can now see the path more clearly.

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Dear Raj Kumar ji,

 

You make my heart weep and my eyes damp, out of sheer happiness.

This forum has

really helped me. Krishna’s grace †" unbounded and all around.

________________________

 

Dear Capt Johann Samuhanand,

 

Much grateful for the kind words and guidance, easy to practise.

 

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Dear Bandook Singh ji,

 

I will continue my duties towards all †" vasudhaiv kutumbkam.

 

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Dear Vyas ji,

 

Bura jo dekhan mai gaya, bura na milya koi

Jo ghat dekha aapna, mujhse bura no koi.

 

Once again thank you all for your valuable guidance and making me

see the light in right perspective. I will continue my job and

remain with the family - reading scriptures, attending satsang,

meeting saints and leading a life in a yagyamaya manner.

 

Kindest regards,

Suresh C Sharma

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Dear Sadhak,

The situations you just described are excellent circumstances for

God realization-

1. Free from reponsibilies

2. Free from worldly attachments

3. Considering yr self total failure means no dependency on yr own

strength

 

So instead of putting yr self in Golden Cage(due to attachment to

satvik guna) you should completely surrender yr self to God and be

free(jeevanmukta)

In my opinion you should insist on Paramatma Prapti(God realization)

not on ritualistic sanyaas or good company etc.Do satsang,go and

spend time in ashram, live with realized souls, but always look

inside, and know that I am God's and only God is mine. Knowledge,

devotion and liberation all will come with this knowing only.

 

With lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Sureshji,

 

Your predicament was summed up so well by a comment made by Jeshua

the

Nazarene, " a prophet is not without honor except in his own country

and in his own house " . I just recently made a comment on send to

entire group at another time)

Your country is the World of the Spirit, I have gone through the very

things you have gone through believe you me, I too live in the World

of the Spirit, we dwell in the same land, not Geographically you

understand.

Did not Sri Ramakrishna Paramahams, say God is closer than your skin,

if the good Swami was correct, you do not have to go anywhere to find

'The Beloved', I sure you know 'He' dwells in your heart.

It took me years to come to terms with things like Christmas, I

saw/see it as a time of gluttony and excess, built on a fable,

borrowing from the Pagans,(no disrespect to the Pagans intended).

I had to detach or go mad, but also honor the good things that happen

,like decent organizations that give the poor and destitute a decent

feed at that time, and we by presents that can be distributed to the

poor.

My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this!

Of course the family know me as an oddball, but also they know me as

one without hate, one who will help when there is need.

I have been blessed with so much Divine Love, I have met so many,

many, Great Souls, what a Divine forum this is, is it not?

In passing I am retired but am a very busy person.

 

With Respect and Divine Love,

 

Mike Keenor

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Sureshji, I read your respectful responses to

sadhakas who attempted to answer your question on retirement and

sanyas. My experience tells me that if you have so many reasons to

retire and take sanyas, chances are it will not work for you,

particularly when these reasons are: you don't like situation and/or

behavior of people around you.It sounds like you may be forcing it

upon you(I may be wrong). I am not saying they(spouse/children) are

right in their own rights, but to think " they are wrong and

therefore, you have nothing to do with them " may be the the wrong

thinking as I see it. When one doesn't have any reasons, but only

happiness/love in whatever and wherever one is placed(not where one

places oneself), then, by all means, retirement and sanyas will work

better for one. We generally try to do or undo things to be happy

which, at best, works for short time and we are already looking for

something else to do or undo out of boredom.When we are already

happy and loving, then we do or undo things as if we are playing to

celebrate the life, because we are not looking to get anything which

will make us happy, we just are!I have learnt from life never to

possess another human being be that person your spouse, children,

friends, siblings, parents or whoever. Sometimes we possess by

making someone guilty or self pitying ourselves in front of them or

demands on them, or all such subtle tricks. One's sincerity and

honesty with oneself and above all love for truth will show the next

step. Namaskar

Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadak,Bagavan said, " Loka Sheman Vahamiyam " . Means HE takes

care of the whole creation. So dont worry who will teach your

grandchildren. Your time is running out. Only you have to put your

effort which only will work out. Mostly seekers left homes and

stayed amidst nature to avoid social obligations such as marriages

etc. Even saints living with family were also remained detached and

so they were called excentric.This birth balance time can be

untilised purposefully in Sat Sangh, Bajans, Namasankeethan Etc.

Control all emotions, aviod being slave to toung (taste and talk),

see only God`s statue, walk only to temples, your free time spend in

meditation.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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My respectable Sharma ji,

 

I am a 44 year old Police officer in Delhi Police and for at least

20 years of my life I had been privileged to attend the Satsangas of

Swami Ramsukhdasji alongwith reading of his books (particularly the

book " Geeta Probodhini " , which influenced my life, greatly).

Sharmaji, for the last few years I have also been going through the

same social situations as has been described by you and the same

thoughts also come to my mind. I have tried my best to search for

the so called " serenity under a Banyan Tree " but found it no where.

My dear elder brother, we should not forget that we have some basic

needs in our life to be taken care of, so long as we are (rather we

have to) dragging the loathsome weight of this body and for that

very purpose we need society, which I donot think, is wrong. With

the increase of age, our medical needs also increase, which cannot

be avoided.

 

Now comes the burning question, then " Where to Go " ? My dear

brother, with all my sincerety, honesty and experience ( whaterver I

have gained by the grace of my Gurudev) I very truly and whole-

heartedly request you to please take refuge in ATMA. This is the

only place I have found to be most secluded and Serene. When you

are established in your realself, ATMA and when you have made

Brahmakar Vritti, you will find real great bliss, satisfaction and

the most Serene Place in your life, no matter where you are sitting,

whether in a birthday party or marriage party etc. Sir, as and when

you try to run away from these places, I am sorry to say, you

unknowingly create another bindings of Raga and Dwesha, which simply

add another hurdle in your way to attain real and eternal tranqality

in your life which you can attain even while sitting in your office

or at home.

 

Gaining Brahmakar Vritti is neither easy nor difficult. All it

depends on our sincerity. Try this-- throw away all intelligence

you have gained throughout your life, feel like an innocent child

and surrender yourself to God. Cry and cry desperately for him like

an innocent stubborn child. Feel yourself like Arjuna and listen

Him preeching Geeta. (Geeta Probodhini is best) Believe me, He

will come to your rescue and make the way.

 

If ever in Rishikesh, I can suggest satsang opportunity.

Ram Ram

 

Raj Kumar

 

Dear Sharmaji,

I read with interest your post and reply by friends.You say your

family responsibilities are over. But from what you write about your

son,daughter and wife that you are deeply involved in their views and

way of life though they are adults.Your main problem is trying to

control their way of life to yours and just because they as adults

donot agree with your way of life, you tend to blame them and also

your way of bringing up. You think you failed somewhere. You are

absolutely wrong in your view.Your wife and children have been

magnanimous in not enforcing their view or way of life on you . You

want to go on world tour or Indian tour of theertha places, i am sure

your family will allow it. do that and you will understand what is

GEETHA OR DHARMA.

With kind regards.

captain Johann samuhanand

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

Bhaiyya Sharmaji ! Very good Jee !! Bhabhiji should not eat

Golgappes because you don't like Golgappes !! Excellent Jee! Wahe

Guru! She should become like a " Gandhari " – is it? If children get

happy by birthday gifts, you feel they are becoming greedy !

Superlative Jee !! Why will they learn that as they become happy by

taking, there is someone becoming happy by giving also ? You don't

like what your son is doing ( Cellphone/ TV addiction) , good –

understandable ! But then what is objection to you , if he does not

like your watching News on TV ? Whatever " I LIKE SHOULD HAPPEN " –

Is that what you are suggesting, My Dear Bhaiyya ?? What is wrong

with Bhabhiji and kids if they expect you to behave in accordance

with their wish, particularly when you yourself have same

attitude ?. Hence they are in complete tandem with you !! Bolo

Jee !! Boliye Sir !

 

Your complaint is that Mrs Sharma is a great supporter of Son.

Anything wrong there? Are you not a supporter of your son? Who

doesnot support Sons/Daughters? If she is supporting a wrong

conduct , according to you, then it is her dereliction of duties.

Why you should transfer yourself under a banyan tree? If your

nephews etc do not approve of your Gita ways of living, then you

should take sanyaas? Which way is this Bhaiyyaji? Bolo ! " GITA WAY

OF LIVING " !! Approval of nephews/nieces is necessary for you? They

told you honestly that they are too young. Remember your being at

that age!

 

" Rajasic/Tamasic Creepers " !! These are the words you used for God's

children !! Pray to night before the God and say sorry to God –

don't forget to do that !! On one hand, you have registered your

house in the name of my Bhabhiji ( What a great love and

affection) , on the other hand you cannot even tolerate a sight of

her peacefully taking bites of delicious golgappes- which kind of

SAMATA ( EQUANIMITY) is this? Is not clearly a love / mineness

hidden beneath the outer layer of hate? Former is RAAG as per Gita.

Latter is DVESHA as per Gita ! Under which banyan tree you will find

practical situations like this to become EQUANIMOUS?

 

She is working in a bank. She does not need your Retirement cheque.

OK ! Now don't leave the job. Don't make them happy. Say You are not

retiring, Jee ! BECOME " Viviktadeshasevitvam " ( referred by you)

while remaining at home only. Become also " Asaktaranbhishvangam

putra daar griha dishu " ( Referred in previous sloka of BG 13).

Start accumulating money EXCLUSIVELY FOR YOURSELF AND ONLY FOR

YOURSELF_ for next 4/5 years. Don't even give an air of your current

pay cheques. Talk sweetly ! Try to throw bitterness from your

conduct. Inside your heart, there should not be an anger in you for

them, nor an ego in you as to how they will manage, nor a worry in

you, nor an impetuosity in you to know their reactions. Nor should

there be any outer proclamation of revolutionary conduct by you.

NOTHING in front. Let them ignore you. Let them drive their own

lives. When they demand anything from you, then take a call. There

you should think- CAN I DO AND SHOULD I DO ?

 

Keep in touch Jee !

 

Namaste Jee

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sharmaji Your problem is that you are too good a person but

you are taking care of your family in an obliging manner. Now

that the children have grown up and they have started reflecting

upon in their own way- you still desire an attention by them

towards you. You feel the family should circle around your wishes,

tantrums, and thoughts. Come what may- it will not happen. It is not

correct for you to so expect. Spiritualism arises from within-

Sharmaji ! It can not be inflicted by an injection in the

youngsters. Ladies across the globe are like that only. At least

yours is earning and then eating Pani puri. God may create

circumstances in which instead of pani puri ,the very you get

eaten. There is nothing unusual emanating out of your narration

which can drive you to take sanyaas . Dont give much attention to

them. Concentrate on yourself. All are good. All are of God only.

This world has been made in such a manner that it in the end imparts

sorrow only. Hence dont think of going anywhere merely because your

beloveds are not behaving as you like them to do. It is injustice.

Ignore them. Pay attention to your duties and not to the duties of

others.

 

Regards Bandook Singh

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Hari Om

 

My Dear Sharmaji ! Thanks for honest expressions. You indeed have a

pure heart. But Facts as they appear to me are that ONLY you are at

fault- I seek your forgiveness. That every soul is self

centered /selfish is not something which is a new revelation. That

nobody except Paramatma is you/yours/for you is crystal clear to

you, me and all. PROBLEM WITH ALL OF US IS THAT WE KNOW BUT WE DON'T

ACCEPT TILL WE GET SHOCKS ! We know that this body, world, kith and

kin are not ours but still we complain that they don't listen to

words of wisdom. Now what is special about it? It is so ab initio.

But going under some banyan tree is not the answer to your emotional

confusions and complaints. Bitterness, complaint,

frustration,dejection,helplessness, rejection of present status,

expectations of a better conduct from your beloveds, feeling of self

worthlessness , likings , dislikings, cold anger, desire, all of

them are existing inside you and you only. Will your mind not emit

those emotions under a banyan tree? Will the memories not haunt you

there? Believe me – they will !

 

Now what to do ? Consider if you are so insistent on the following.

1. Don't leave the job 2. Take a small house nearby your existing

house on rent and shift there- all alone.3. Stop spending a penny on

any one except on yourself. 4. If kith and kin come to you, tell

them with folded hands --, " Thanks. Now I shall concentrate on

myself.I have a lot to do for myself. Please don't worry about me. I

shall take care of myself. Please be happy. God Bless you, all " .

Then start your sadhana as a " Bhakti Yogi " . ( My earlier suggestion

was reg Karma Yoga).

 

Start concentrating on " self " . Start eliminating- as Shashikalaji

told you- " Raag " ( Likings) and " Dvesha " ( Dislikings) from your

conduct. Your real enemies are Raag and Dvesha. Try to put "

Equanimity " in your conduct. What is the problem to you if Mrs

Sharma likes " golgappes " ? According to you she should eat only what

you want her to eat – Is it? This is example of Raag/Dvesha ! You

have to conquer this. No you cant make youngsters behave as you want

them to behave. YOU CANNOT ! Can you control your own mind and body?

No !

 

You need a lot to do with your own reference!

 

Believe in what Swamiji says in Sadhak Sanjeevani or Sadhan Sudha

Sindhu. Believe that nothing is yours. Believe that " I am of God

and ONLY God is mine. " Never give up your job – else there is a

danger that you shall lose both ends. " DUVIDHA MAIN DONO GAYE ,

MAYA MILI NA RAAM " ( In dilemma, I lost both. World as well as

God) ! Start implementing Swamiji's teachings. You have reached to

present state of " Vairagya " ( Dispassion) only because you served

in the past your wife and children. SERVICE DESTROYS MINENESS- it is

a principle given for benefit of entire humanity by Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. Live such dozens and dozens of laws/principles

stated by Taat Shree in His books/discourses/messages etc.

Concentrate more on that !!

 

There are other methods also. Keep writing/reading. You are in a

right, divine forum.

 

Your kith and kin shall ignore you only so long as you consider them

to be " yours " . The moment you really believe that they are not

yours, they will become " Godly " for you ! Try this !! All dirt is

there in " mineness " only.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas NB

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Respected All,

 

I am greatful for the guidance.

 

Dear Sadhna Karigar ji, very sensible indeed. My problem is that I am

a total failure or misfit in the society. I do not attend the

marriage parties where lot of noisy filmy songs and DJ dances etc.

make me sick even if I keep safe distance. I do not attend birthday

parties because the children celebrating the birthdays are more

interested in the gifts they get " we the gift-givers turn

them into greedy beings. I do not approve of my only son's obsession

with learning modern filmy dance and his addition to cell phone and

TV (he does not like even my watching the news channel) " I am a

total failure as a father for no fault of mine. I cannot take my

wife for outings because she is fond of eating " golgappe " etc and

above all she is a great supporter of her son's activities basically

completely spoiling him from spiritual point of view and making him

into a socially clever fellow. My daughter is in the job and

interested in getting materialistically rich just like any other

young lady. My nephews and niece do not approve of my Gita's way of

life, they say they are too young for these boring things. No one in

my family circle is interested in Swamiji's literature, but in Shani

Mandir and tantrik puja etc. I have realized to the core of my

heart that I cannot change or influence anyone in my family for their

real betterment. Wife and son are feeling happy at my idea of

premature retirement as they will get a few more lakhs of rupees.

Wife works in a bank. I am not finding fault with anyone, but that

is their " prarabdha " . Should I continue to be in the family to

nourish the " rajsik and tamsik " creepers (though all this

is " vasudevam sarvamiti " )? It would be a pleasure should I

become manure for any " satvik " plant.

 

Gita also teaches - Viviktadeshsevitvam, aratirjansansadi (dwelling

in a secluded place and lack of desire to be in the crowd) supports

my decision to seek sanyas. Though I want to be in the company of

the saints " bodhyantah parasparam " .

 

Dear Prem Khullar ji, while I agree with you fully, and by seeking

retirement and entering into the Sanyas, I am sure I can better

serve God's needy creatures with more freedom and time. I have been

studying and conserving birds and their habitats in Haryana since

1976 ˜sarvabhoot hite ratah " .

 

Dear N K Srinivasan ji, nice suggestion. I want to have regular and

continuous ˜darshanâ " of saints ˜gyan vigyan astikyam "

 

Shashikala bahan, I am a complete failure in family life and will be

a big failure if I persist in my meaningless social efforts. I am

reading the scriptures in general and Sadhak Sanjivani / Sadhak

Sudha Sindhu in particular. Your arguments are faultless, yet I want

to run away from the consumerist society and want to lead a perfect

peaceful natural life under some banyan tree in an ashram. Your

˜bhabhi " is interested in money and will be happy to get my post-

retirement cash and monthly pension; I have already registered the

house in her name. For myself, I do not need much and out of my Rs

15000 plus monthly pension, I just need one fifth of it at the most.

I do not think in this modern society my family members, present

and/or would be, will be interested in a ˜yagyaacharatah karma " Let

them be in their fool's paradise (if I can use the term of Henry

David Thoreau).

 

Dear Mahalaksmi Dasi ji, I appreciate your optimism. But I am a sort

of " sarvaarambh prityagi " .

 

Dear Hari Shanker Deo, I am seeking company of spiritual people and

something within me says " get out of this dirty consumerist social

life " .

 

Dear Vineet Sarvottam ji, Is there some Ashram in Churu also? Yes,

you are right. I recall Kabir's vani ˜rahna nahi, desh begana hai "

 

Dear Vyas ji, I am indeed indebted to you for detailed guidance,

practical and yet spiritual.

 

Still, I am a little confused.

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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Sir,

You must develop faith on our scriptures and establish firm

relationship with Gita itself can give you guidance on where to go,

what to do etc. Me too is 53 by age but I never feel my age because

I am engaged in service. Never worry about future or my past. We

must live in present. We are never free from responsibilities. Our

main duty is to know and serve. The more we know the more we serve.

Offer our service to the Lord while doing and we must leave it. Take

up the next till the Central Government terms end. We never end our

karma till the time of our departure from here. So that do not think

about a retirement from central government job. Still you can get

engaged in Gita service and the service with the Lord if you change

your attitude, not your situation. You have no control over the

situation only control is to develop over your mind.

Love, krishna das.

 

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If at some point in time when you are closer to a decision, you can

help us to help the needy children for their education, health and

mind.

 

Padmanabhan Sundaram

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhak,

Swamiji Ramsukhdasji, never encouraged such things as like taking

early retirement , he never asked anyone to leave the job and take

sanyaas (as far as I understand his teachings.)

yr desire could be called a Satvik desire, but no matter what desire

leads to sufferings. So Swamiji says-donot even desire for

liberation/mukti.

Only desire for God is Worth desiring.Have only one desire-

Krishna/God and He will show you the path to reach Him.

 

Yogusth kuru karmani(Do yr karma while established in Yoga)

Working or retired doesnot obstruct yr path for self

enlightenment.Start yr spiritual journey RIGHT NOW, at this very

moment, wherever you are.Donot make it a future goal.

 

Nasto Vidhyate Bhao, Nabhao vidhyate satah (Gita 2:16)

The unreal has no existence and the real has no cessation...

So nomatter where you are the Real is with you every moment and the

unreal is leaving you every moment.

 

Detachment from the unreal is sanyaas, and knowing the difference

between what is real and what is unreal is Knowledge (Gita Ch 13 &

14)

 

Accepting everything as God's is Bhakti (Vasudev Sarvam)

 

Now tell me to follow any of these paths-karma yoga, gyaan yoga or

bhakti yoga, where do you need to go ?

Nowhere/anywhere/everywhere ?

 

Kasturi Kundal basi mrig dhundhe van mahi---(the aroma is coming out

from deer's own naval but he is running in the forest to find the

source/ Krishna/God is sitting right in our heart, but we are trying

to find Him outside)

 

with lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Suresh Sharma ji,

 

WHERE TO GO ? WHERE CAN YOU GO ? NO WHERE . EVERY THING IS HERE . I

was an air force officer for 22 years. I retired 27 years back . I

am here running a 50 bed charitable hospital and various programs.

READ GITA , FOLLOW IT AND DO NOT BOTHER ABOUT THIS LIFE AND DEATH '

CHAKKAR'. It will be what ever it may be or whatever it has to be .

 

SERVE THE WORLD TO THE HILT - CEASELESSLY ,UNENDLESSLY AND FOR EVER.

LOVE

 

PREM KHULLAR

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Dear Sharmaji,

After retirement,I would suggest that you visit several pilgrim

centres and sacred temples,like a Parivrajika, with a few items with

you.Asmall suitcase and a bag.By such visits, your mind will be

purified and also you will learn more about our poeple ,their forms

of devotion and thier simple,humble ways.The railway tickets are

quite low and you need not sppend much.After say two or three years

of religious wandering or pilgrimages, you can select a place or

ashram or suitable palce to stay...This I learnt after my own

wanderings after the age of sixty.You are much younger and should be

easy for you.You will learn more about Bharat,our motherland after

that.

Regards,

In Shirdi Sai Smaran,

N K Srinivasan

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Jai Hanuman

 

No Bhaiyya Sharmaji. This " more or less over " with reference

to " duties " of marital life is not acceptable. Nor did I like your

last words - " where to go " !!

 

But your gesture/sentiment/approach is laudable- no questions about

the same!

 

WHERE TO GO ? - No where Dear. Remain where ever you are. Start now

a new life with no outer change. Concentrate on removing " Raag " (

Likings) and " Dvesha " (Dislikings) from your mind / intellect/

thoughts /psyche /person ! They are roots of your worldly stays of

past, present and future!

Read Scriptures/ Swamiji in spare time. Think about the soul, your

role in this Divine Lila !

 

By the way who are you to decide whether you should work or not? Did

you check up with Bhabhiji ( Mrs Sharma) ? Do as she says. No

arguments on this.

 

Have you planned adequately for your old age ? Who will instil God

in grand children? Who will guide them to righteousness? Who will

create cultural base for them and for the family ? Who will set

examples of selfless conduct? Who will make them better humans? Only

grand parents can do that- not the parents!

 

No Running away Bhaiyya! Stay put !! There are lot of things to do !

We will discuss if you actively participate !

 

Ever thought what should be your goal for balance life? It should

be " O God- I should not be coming back again in this world in any

type of body- unless you sponsor me as your representative for your

work. I should be free forever from this circle of birth and death " .

Think on these lines. Get rid of all worldly

attachments/connections/mineness by continuously and selflessly

serving all people around you with all the things you have - without

expecting anything from them in return In dreams even do not

visualise a situation where you get dependent over any worldly

body/thing. You get retired without actually retiring merely by

relinquishing dependence over the same ! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !!

 

Get free! Feel free ! Dream Free ! Seek freedom ! Remaining where

ever you are ! There is no need to go anywhere ! Make your home

itself a temple. Love all . See God in all. Don't establish

any " new " connection/relationship/attachment with any body/thing-

for getting anything worldly out of them. Concentrate on self and on

conscience.

 

KABIRA KHADA BAJAAR MAIN SABKI MAANGE KHAIR !

 

NA KAHOO SE DOSTI NA KAHOO SE VAIR !!

 

Says Saint Kabir - I am standing in this market (worldly life)

wishing good for all and sundry. I have neither any friends (

likings- Raag) nor any enemies (dislikings- Dvesha) !

 

That is real sanyaas ! My Dear Brother ! That is real retirement !

Not leaving or not leaving the Government Service !!

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

 

 

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My dandavat pranams to all in this fourm......responsibilities have

kept me so busy that I have neglected this beautiful forum, sadly.

In regard to this sacred question....what to do when one is

encountering the need to absorb oneself in spiritual practices for

oneself and others. I know that this is not exactly how the

question was worded, but truly, it is what I heard....because you

have come to the point of saying, " Where do I go from here " .....

indeed, age is not truly the criterion for one being ready to absorb

oneself in full devotion.....it is a point where one finally

accepts, " I have no business in this world save and except to live

for bhajan, for glorifying the lord, for providing knowledge of Gita

to others. "

 

I have accepted Los Angeles as my place to execute this

activity.....it is where the Lord has put me. Pray for guidance,

and it will come....Los Angeles has many, many groups of sadhaks, as

well as a very high level of vegetarian communities, vegan, raw,

east Indian, etc......and there are so so many people to give some

time and energy to as far as speaking on Bhagavat dharma. But than,

almost any city in the world these days, is needing Hari Katha to

purify the atmosphere.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

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Stay where you are. Seek a genuine Guru/Guru within. He will lead

you towards the right path. Meditate and seek the company of

spiritual people.

Hari Shanker Deo

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Shri Sureshji, This is the same question that I had asked Swamiji

fourteen years back, while considering retirement - (should I go to

Rushikul, or Churu, or Rishikesh, or Gorakhpur), then his reply is

something that is useful to you - " Brother, wherever you are, remain

there as is, always " longing and desiring " , then your work will be

done. Because that Paramatma which you think about attaining in

Gorakhpur, or Rishikesh etc. that very same Paramatma wholly and

entirely is at this very moment close to you, now and at all

times. What more, you yourself are wise and patient, but when it

comes to relationship with Paramatma, the impatience (that intense

longing) works ! Very well!

 

Vineet Sarvottam

 

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Hari Om

 

Dear Shri Sharmaji

 

At the outset welcome! Great things in life don't wait for any

retirement. No outside activity can accelerate your turning towards

the ultimate. If your family has slightest of the need for your

continuing doing the Govt Job - Please unhesitantly continue doing

that. Swamiji always advocated " 24 x 7 " work. Consider after having

fulfilled your responsibilities at this age of 53 ( I am also 53 and

have done all that is necessary for my family responsibilities,

married both daughters, a son and another son is ready for marriage,

all well settled- only difference is I am employed in private

sector) as to whether whatever you earn honourably and justfully out

of your employment- you should use them for welfare and benefit of

1. Those for whom you still have mineness/attachment (including your

body)- with a special sentiment always awakened in you inside that "

they are not you/yours/for you " 2 Those for whom you have no

mineness/attachment.

 

That is one way you can plan. Check up with your better half if she

wants you to continue working. If she says even " may be " or " as you

think fit " - work! Work so that you may never seek economic

dependence upon anyone for rest of your life. Work so that you may

be of help to category 2 people ( stated in preceding paragraph)!

Work in government without accepting anything extra. Live there like

a lotus in water. You can. You should. Work so that you may see God

whereever you get engaged in.

 

Ensure that today you don't need anybody for anything pertaining to

your balance stay in this world. If you feel some are dependent upon

you( say wife)- serve them with double intensity and speed.

 

But keep a thought burning inside you - " I am of God, Only God is

mine, nothing else is mine " . Don't expect anything from anybody-

even from God. Keep utilising whatever you have for benefit and

welfare of whoever comes in touch with you - if you can and if you

should.

 

All extra time in your life should be utilised in reading Swamiji's

books, Gita, Ramayana, listening to Swamiji's pravachans, singing

bhajans, doing keertans and remaining in good company always.

 

This is one way. Another totally different way - next time.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

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Great idea!!!!!

I have been doing the same because I have also been influenced very

deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. We might be able to do share some

thoughts on some projects

 

Satya Kalra

 

 

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Respected Vyasji and others,

 

I am 53 and may seek premature retirement from my central govt

service. Married and family responsibilities are more or less over.

 

I want to spend my post-retirement life in the company of Gita

scholars/students/lovers. I have been influenced deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj.

 

Can you kindly guide me where to go?

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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NEW POSTING

 

Dear Sadhaks

 

I read with interest the deliberations on this Satsanga web site. I

genuinely feel this is one of the best satsanga forum. I have

questions on this retirement issue. What about females? Can they

also consider retirement from home and go to some ashram or secluded

place and pursue spiritual goals? It is not that males only are

sufferers. Females too tolerate injustices and domination. What are

the views of Saints and Gita etc on the subject? Secondly, Mr Vyas

has charted a course with amazing clarity on the subject of

retirement. My question is why " accessible " ? How " mineness " can get

eradicated when you are accessible to your family? How at the end

you get egoless/minenessless? Does Sanyaas principles permit such

course of action as suggested by Mr Vyas?

 

Prepetina Gonsalves

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Respected Vyas Ji,

 

I fully agree and believe with all the four points given by

you i.e.

 

1 The evil doer loses his capacity itself to do evil to you.

2 Evil Doer will repent. Will cry. Will suffer.

3. Nothing wrong will happen to you

4 As against one person doing evil to you, many others will come to

your rescue.

 

I have always believed this world works on the principle

that every action has an equal and opposite reaction i.e. whatever

we do comes back to us sometime , somewhere , somehow.

 

But Why then the evil is increasing and goodness is

decreasing in this world. We find people instead of being selfless

are becoming selfish by each passing generations, moral values are

going down, educated people (like Mr. Sarphod ) are questioning the

existence of GOD , all around us we find more evil than goodness (Mr

Sarphod, i am not referring to you as evil but people in general

including myself) ) . Anger, jealousy, greed these negative

feelings are more prominent in people these days (I don't categorize

people as good or bad , I believe nobody in today's time including

myself is 100 % GOOD OR 100% BAD )but the negative traits are

increasing by the day.

 

How can we then say that evil doer loses his capacity itself to do

evil.

 

Could it be because when our evil deeds come back to us we are not

able to relate them with our wrong doings done earlier and instead

name them as BAD KISMET .

 

Vandana

 

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Hari Om

 

Of the responses in favour of retirement/sanyaas , Sadhaks should

consider response of A V Raghunath.

 

After having rendered self less service to the immediate family and

THEREBY- ONLY thereby -gaining dispassion- vairagya or finding one

self " in nothing left to be done for family " state, if at all one

has liking for retirement, then one should migrate to one's native

place. After serving family, the next in line is " society " , you owe

society a lot in fact. There you will find ample opportunities of

redeeming subtle debts and becoming totally debt free. If such a

native place is a small village/town- it is wonderful.

There one should indulge in cow service. Service to the down

trodden. Service to the elders... And slowly, slowly by rendering

selfless service lead the self to egolessness/minelessness.

 

However there are considerations of one's present state while

contemplating. It should NEVER be out of bitterness or anger or

frustration or helplessness or hatred or rejection or to teach

lesson to some one or out of the fact that you have been defeated or

self criticism or self perceived failure. NEVER. It should emerge

out of peace generating naturally in you of having lived a life of

Karma Yogi ( Household, Grihastha) for say 25/35 years and out of

the fact that by and large your house hold duties have come to an

end and you are not having any " real dependents " upon you- like old

parents or wife.

 

So long old parents are alive, if there are capable brothers, and

parents give consent, then it is another matter but otherwise, the

real God is in their feet only.

 

As regards better half, an option and always guilt free option

should be made honourably available to her. Live with your children

if you want, live with me the way I do or live alone in the home if

you like and are comfortable - do whenever you want whatever out of

the three options. Handover every worldly possession to her

gracefully , as a matter of duty and live your life with bare

minimum ( out of a portion of say pension or some fixed income) .

Total freedom should be given ti her respectfully with access of

yourself always available to her- unconditionally - till you breath

your last.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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PRIOR POSTING

 

 

Shree Hari

|| Ram Ram ||

 

Dear Sureshji,

Thank you very much for sharing your personal issue so candidly. In

some form or another many of the sadhakas face similar situations.

This is a great example of journey for a sadhaka marching

from 'Vishad Yoga' towards the 'Moksha Sanyasa Yoga'. The quality,

speed and number of responses received on this topic were very

impressive, encouraging and helpful with which you seem to found the

answer. This shows the positive dynamism of the blessed Gita-talk

group. It is not surprising to see since the group was started on

holy inspiration by none other than Swamiji Maharaj.

 

Few more comments:

 

1. Generally when we talk about Sanyasa, it is leaving the world and

going to the forest but Gitaji clearly defines who is a true

Sanyasi, " a Nitya Sanyasi or ever a renunciate is the one who

neither hates nor desires (Ref: Gita 5-3, Jneyah sa nityasanyasi yon

a dvestu na kanksati …).

 

2. During our spiritual journey, we are not to become despondent

while facing adverse situations, Swamji Maharaj said that we should

stay happy in all circumstances, this in itself is a great tapas

(austerity). In the introduction to Sadhak Sanjiveeni, Swamiji says

that there is no situation or a setting in our lives which we cannot

use to help us advance in our spiritual path.

 

3. No body is to be blamed for our seemingly bad situation or the

circumstances, it is due to our own prarabhada, people on the scene

happen to be delivering what is supposed to come to us due to our

own past karmas.

 

4. The beauty of the spiritual journey is to transform our life such

as to provide us with peace, harmony, joy and stability at all of

our personality levels - physical, mental, emotional and spiritual.

With an attitude of love, understanding and cooperation all issues

can be resolved as they affect us.

 

5. Gitaji is teaching us to do our Swa-dharma (duty) at all times

keeping in view the Ashram, Varna (Caste) and situation at hand, our

duty is not to be shunned at any time (Ref: Gitaji 2/31-37). Also,

our Swadharma or duty is not to judge other as to whether they are

doing their duty.

 

6. The ideal attitude is to strive for is to have no insistence (no

Agraha), we can advise or suggest in a pleasant manner but we should

not insist or even expect that others must follow our advice. The

insistence that people should listen to us only, do what we say,

will give us nothing but pain to us and others.

 

7. The world outside of us is nothing but a projection of our mind

only. (Ref: Gitaji 7-5, jivabhatam mahabahio, yaye `dam dharyate

jagat). In a given setting, it is said that 90% is the attitude and

10% the situation. With the change in our attitude of loving,

understanding and not finding faults, we will start to radiate peace

and joy only, the others will take us as a good living example and

will consider an ideal to follow, what a great one does, other

follow. (Ref: Gita: 3-21, yad-yad acarati sesthas, tad-tad evataro

janah ….). We read examples, at hermitage of saints, even the

animals of opposite nature live together in peace.

 

Few illustrations:

 

a). Life on earth is like waiting room on a railway station, people

come there, stay together for some time and then go their own ways.

Separation is the sure thing in this world, nothing is permanent, so

why get excited about something so temporary.

 

b). Just like on the bed of the river there are sand particles, they

travel with the moving stream, some times they come together and

other times they separate. The relatives and friends have come

together to separate only in the end. We just have to pay the dues,

sometimes we receive and other times we pay back. After the account

is squared off, debt is clear, our account is closed.

 

c). Just like when the boat is in the water, water should not get in

the boat, similarly, we should live in the world but the world

should not get into us. --- Sri Ramakrishna

 

d). It does not matter which direction the ship is sailing in but

Compass always points to the north. In the same way, does not which

activity of the world we are doing, keep our mind on God. --- Sri

Ramakrishna

 

Ram Ram

Humble pranams,

Madan Kaura

 

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Priy sadhak

As you say you want to retire ! So leave everything including " what

you should do " to the God. Be a toy in hands of God, play with God

as son plays with parents. " Hoihe soi jo ram rachi rakha ko kari

tarak badave sakha Ram siya Ram siya ram jai jai ram. "

Thanx

Raja Gurdasani

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Varun ji,

 

I am indeed grateful to all of you who have lighted candles in my

dark room. The final result is that I am not seeking retirement from

my office and will continue to remain with the family.

 

When I mentioned something about my family members, my purpose was

not to judge/degrade them. It was merely that I as a hubby, as a

father, as a guardian, in my social context was feeling exhausted

like an old cow, unable to yield milk and then the owners deciding

to sell it to the butcher and get some money.

 

Now, when I am convinced that the family members like many many

others in the world are heading towards the bottomless well/pit and

are not listening to the wise counsels of the great saints then, how

long will I continue dragging myself towards the pit with them? My

possessive wife does not stop me from reading scriptures, rather she

assists me in that, but because she out of her own insecurity and

cruel possessiveness of me feels a little comfortable that " at

least, the hubby is at home " Her " God puja " consists of single point

" sakaam bhavâ " that hubby remains in her grip and so remains other

members of the family (Shashikala bahan, I AM NOT TERMING MY WIFE

IS COPPER AS IRON, BUT DO NOT EXPECT ME TO CALL HER COPPER AS GOLD).

When I use the word " creepers " for her and other members, my aim was

not " creep " but the creeping plant which wants to grow up always

seeking support, i.e., dependency on others. Let me assure my

learned readers/participants that I am nearly detached " but I love

to be with nature, eco-friendly ashrams, Gita loving people, simple

and honest persons " not because of some desire/lust, because as the

Swamiji mentions " underground water is everywhere, but our purpose

is served only by the handpump/well "

 

Life so far, in family context, has been a " Tale told by an idiot,

full of sound and fury, signifying nothing " , borrowing from

Shakespeare and its end if continued the way my wife and others want

me to go on, will be ˜not with a bang, but with a whimper " again

borrowing from T.S. Eliot.

 

I was not talking of sanyaas/retirement to become something

else " when there is lot of noise coming from the loudspeakers around

you (round the clock), the only option is either get out for some

other place or put some earplugs for ever. Nevertheless, woman is a

purgatory " no one knows better than I do.

 

I have been to the Gita Bhawan, Rishikesh several times and was

present there when the Swamiji breathed his last but detached and

aloof. If someone can please tell whom I should meet there, I will

not waste a single day and will be happy to travel to Rishikesh

again.

 

Thank you all from the core of my heart. All of you have helped me a

lot and thanks a lot to the moderator for running such a wonderful

divine group. You have not only taken me to the divine water but

have made me to drink it.

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

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Dear sadaks,

 

To seek God or liberate or to do perfect sadhana (spiritual

disciplines) if these are within our efforts, we could have been

long ago become one with Godhood. Since we are only trying but not

with complete renunciation, we are coming back here again and again.

This is our experience. Sadhaks touch your hearts and say is this

not true? Truth is always like neem leaf taste - bitter. Illusion is

like sugar.

 

Mr. Sharma question is answered in so many angles. We have dealt so

much about surrender earlier.

 

One`s Karma only Bhagavan knows as HE said to Arjuna that past,

present and future HE knows. Mr. Suresh can stay where he is, he can

surrender to God, let HIM (Bhagavan) decide where and how to be.

Then the path will be perfect. Saying things like - you should do

like this, you have to see about your grandchildren, you have to see

to your parents, and so on. The truth is ultimately what happens is

HIS will. Just surrender and be relaxed like Prahalad.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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Sanyaas is one of the four Ashramas in our scriptures. Who is to

enter it, when is he to enter it, is dependent on the dictates of

the Shastras (scriptures) – not on our conveniences and

inconveniences faced in life. It is not an escape route.

 

Shri Bhagawaan has also said:

 

Tasmaat-shaastram pramaanam te kaarya-akaarya vyavasthitau/

Gyaatvaa shaastra-vidhaan-oktam karma kartum iha-arhasi// 16:24

 

" Therefore let the scriptures be the authority in determining what

ought to be done and what ought not to be. Having known what is

prescribed in the ordinance of scriptures, you should act

accordingly in this world. " (Gita 6:24)

 

Respectful regards,

 

Dr. Ranjeet Singh.

 

 

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Hare Krishna

 

Mahalakshmiji, you have indeed hit the bull's eye. No doubt about

it. Sureshji, if your family is stopping you from walking towards

God, then just renounce it. Don't give a second thought to it. After

death of this body, only dharma and God will go with you. No one

else.

But from your posting, it doesn't seem so. It seems that they are

not stopping you but they are merely disinterested of your

inclination towards spirituality.

 

Also your reason for Sanyaas is not detachment and dispassion but

dislike. The reason for this dislike is your family is not

conducting themselves as per your expectations. If you had not

expected anything from them then you wouldn't have been so confused.

 

And also one who has expectations how can he become a sanyaasi??

Lord says " Arjuna, you must know that what they call Sanyasa is no

other than Yoga; for none becomes a Yogi, who has not abandoned His

sankalpas(thoughts of the world) " (Gita 6.2)

 

Expectation comes only after sankalpa. After clinging on a worldly

thought, a desire erupts. (Gita 2.62) Sanyaas is for those who don't

have any worldly thoughts. You have failed in HSC (renouncement of

desire) but you want to pass post-graduation (sanyaas)!! [Graduation

is to be freed from worldly thoughts.]

 

Sureshji, please don't take theka of others. Just send your family

on a vacation, on a long long vacation. You might have read this in

Swamiji's books

 

TERE BHAVE JO KARE BARO BHULO SANSAR

NARAYAN TU BAITHKE APNO BHUVAN BHUVAR

 

Sir, just chill out and engage in God. Don't worry about them. God

is more worried about them than you can imagine. Just serve them and

break your mineness. That's it.

 

If you are still confused then go to Gita-Bhawan, (Rishikesh,

Swargashram) and take wise council of those souls who have been

closely associated with Swamiji for many years. Reveal to them all

what you said here and they will guide you surely.

 

Thanks,

 

Hare Krishna

Varun P. Paprunia

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Dear Suresh Sharma,

 

RETIREMENT WITH A MISSION IS LIKE A FLOWER WITH FRAGRANCE.

 

We greatly appreciate your willingness to seek suggestions for your

retirement era. Please consider tracing your roots and adopt and

rehabilitate your ancestral village. Everyone of us must take care

of our own mother, our own mother tongue and our own mother

(ancestral) village. the great need of this time is applied Bhagavad

Gita.

 

Sincerely,

A.V.Raghunath

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One has to go within and find the true self......

one has to practice whatever has been read and understood to

experience the true self....

Understanding is whole thing.....

 

Sushil Jain

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

Hari Om

 

Some final thoughts on the subject:

 

1 Never look out for an acknowledgement from family of what you have

done for them. It is a desire not liked by God. It hurts your

spiritual goals. A curt answer that whatever you did was your duty

will then hurt you more.

 

2 Never seek mercy from near and dears. An answer that you were

foolish enough will readily come. Self pity also doesn't make

surroundings really strong. It is contagious.

 

3 Never impose your thoughts over the family members. You will have

no answer to the counter question as to whether every soul is

independent or not.

 

AKKAL SHARIRA OOPAJE, DIYA LAAGE DAMB

 

Wisdom arises from within. If some body tries to impose it, he is

perceived as poisonous snake.

 

Don't invite disrespect for you.

 

4 Remember each soul is accumulating Karmas of their own. You have

got connected with them because of contractual karmic obligations

and the moment accounts are settled, all will part ways. It is a law.

 

5 Set examples of decent conduct irrespective of its immediate

results/reception. Children will use them when there is real need

for the same irrespective of your presence at that time.

 

6 Serve, Serve and Serve. Destroy mineness/ego/likings and

dislikings using one weapon only- expectationless service. That is

possible only when you are in your home- dealing with people who are

not " actually " yours. Once the thought comes in your mind that they

are not " yours " the service by you becomes real and divine and lifts

you spiritually. Before that it is " selfish " - arising out of

mineness and hence done for self and hence producing bondage. Lucky

are those guys who realise before serving that the servicee

is " actually " not mine.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

 

MY respects to all in this foorum....

I am noting the interest in this topic....very strong indeed!

One has to think deeply and ponder all the varieties of responses.

Let me add one more thought into the mix.....my gurudeva, A.C.

Bhaktivedanta Swami, mentioned occasionally to his disciples that

the last straw which drove him to finally take sannyas was when his

wife traded his Srimad Bhagavatam for tea. She had threatened, and

he told her, " tea, or me " ......she made the choice. So, there is

definitely a line which a sadhu must draw, of being willing to

tolerate only to a certain extent.

Are there offenses to the concepts of Guru, shastra, or sadhu in

the home? Analyze this before deciding whether it is a fit place

to reside. And then know, that purification will surely take place

once having departed.....again, another story from the life of my

guru, is that shortly after leaving for sannyas, he was gored by a

bull. I do not remember so much the story, but it is documented in

various places.....there is a biography six volumes called Srila

Prabhupada Lilamrta if you have inclination. Even one whose only

intent WAS and IS to spread bhakti, to give an opportunity to others

to learn Sanatan dharma....still....so much pain and suffering on an

external level. So, know that whatever you choose, you must come

to the level of " atmarama " finding pleasure in the self alone. This

level is very high....and to attain it, you may certainly need to

take steps to seek out exalted association....the Lord will guide

you if you sincerely cry out to Him.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

Finally a short practical event from every day life:

 

You are in a car which stops at a signal. A beggar spreads his hands

and you give say Dollar one to him. A friend sitting beside will

call that payment as " donation " . So will God.

 

You reach home and your son comes to you and seeks money. You give

him say Dollar one to him. Same friend will not call that payment as

donation. Nor will God.

 

Why?

 

Now compare these two payments. At both places you did your duty. At

both places you didn't expect money to be returned. At both places

you wanted the recepient to become happy. At both places you

renounced.

 

What was the difference between the two payments then? This is

question !

 

Answer is - To the beggar you never considered to be " mine " while

paying. But you considered your son to be " mine " while paying. What

else was the difference? This difference has changed the very karma

and its results.

 

If you give monthly expenses to your wife without considering,

inside your heart, her to be " mine " - Law of Karma will classify the

entire amount as " donation " . If not- bondage!

 

How easy ! How practical!! How Simple!!! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Hare Krishna

 

As I understand, Sanyaas should be taken only when one is completely

detached (teevra vairagya). In some cases such a soul does not

renounce world, in fact the world renounces him. Example of

Shukdevji fits the bill, whereas in case of Arjuna and Janaka etc

even after realization they did not take sanyaas. A sadhak should

make his spiritual practice in accordance with the situation he is

in. If solitude becomes must for sadhak's spiritual progress then

God will change his situation where he can do his sadhan alone.

 

Sadhak's duty is only to serve others and not to find anyone's

fault. If anyone's fault is visible then rather than hating him,

sadhak should pity him and pray to God for his welfare. The biggest

point in serving is to fulfill other's ethical wishes. He should not

force his spiritual views on worldly people, because it will prove

counter-productive. Swamiji gave discourses only to serve humanity.

He never sported attitude of " I can improve others. I am more

knowledgeable than others etc " . Whatever Swamiji gave He gave only

with the intention to serve. We should also carry the same sentiment.

 

Hare Krishna,

 

Varun P. Paprunia

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Jai Hanuman

 

 

 

Yeah ! It is Marcus Brutus " Dear Julius Ceaser !! Dear Bhaiyya !

Hope you didn't mind my arrow like response. We at GT Group are like

a family. I keep on taking such liberties. Bad habit according to my

Hubby. In fact, I had to go through a snub from my Hubby but then I

wrote what indeed I felt right. Welcome to this family. Please keep

writing and contributing. You are now a part of really selfless and

divine forum. Please keep sharing your views. In fact " Et tu Brutus "

I should also say because of your humble and genuine approach and

your capacity to appreciate such brutal attack. Hats Off to you. May

Lord Krishna be always with you. Indeed you have a heart made of

Gold. This world is sustained on the strength of people like you.

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

 

Shashikala

 

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Dear Sir,

 

Since you are still young at 53, you should devote some more years

in doing your karma by doing social work of your liking and to the

uplift of down trodden and poor people.

 

Best regards,

Sivaraman.V

 

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Jai Hanuman

 

We as humans have to face this peculiar creation made by God as an

acid test.This world is simply an examination hall for each and

every human being. Here is the world which like greggary(sweet) or

salt from which ever side or way you " consume " it is sorrowful.

(DUKHALAYAM) Biggest treachery comes from the closest people. There

is no way a permanent element can derive pleasure out of temporary

element. Now what is our role? How to go about it? How to conquer?

How to pass with distinction marks from this examination?

 

Art of Living in this world as taught by Swamiji is simple. Don't

try to change the circumstances. Change yourself. Don't judge

others. Judge yourself. Problem is that generally we judge others

and pardon ourselves. It should be reverse. Once you concentrate on

your duties and others' rights - you are on right path. But ego does

not often let us do that. We often end up talking about our rights

and others' duties. How wife should behave, how children should

behave etc etc. What we don't pay attention to is that " talking "

doesnot help. Conduct or silent example setting before the kids

helps.If you want some one to live as per Gita- the best way is to

live yourself as per Gita. At the appropriate hour the vibrations

will be caught by the children. Any hurry or insistence invariably

gets counter productive. You have no capacity to mould others as per

your wishes. That you can't do. You have capacity to mould yourself

as per wishes of others. That you can do. Where is the wisdom in

attempting what we can't do and ignoring what we can do !

 

I oppose bitterly this " mind " only because it always suggests what

we can't do. From the perspective of mind it is natural because it

exists in " nothingness " only- past/future! But from ever

existing " self " point of view- it proves fatal. Hence scriptures ask

you to drop reliance on mind.

 

Once we are on right path- what is my duty - the result in due

course is miraculous and unbelievable !!

 

What is the result ? Result is that " dukhalayam " gets converted

practically into " God " Himself (Vasudevah Sarvam) ! Once you don't

desire anything from anyone - then that anyone becomes God -as far

as you are concerned. This is something which sounds extra ordinary

but my experience has taught me that it is true.

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sadhak

Dear Suresh Sharma

I feel while remaining with the family, you can still have God

realisation by having detached view, Sakshi bhav, surrendering

fruits of all actions to God, leaving Karta Bhav and of course

meditation and Bhakti to wards Supreme God what so ever name you

call him

Thanks

 

 

G K Agrawal

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Hare Krsna

 

Respected Suresh ji

 

I have been following your mail and the replies. I fully understand

you confusion. Please don't lose your faith in Sri Krishna. Give

your thought or desire some time. If your faith and devotion is

strong and it doesn't deplete with time and surroundings and

circumstances Sri Krishna will show you some way out. In the

meantime completely surrender to Sri Krishna. He will take care of

your problem.As Sri Krishna states in the BG 9:22 " Ananyas

cintayanto maam ye.....yoga-ksemam vahamy aham "

 

Hare Krsna

" srivally k "

 

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Hari Om

 

Sharmaji ! Did you observe what Mike told ? " I don't judge " ! How

can you judge creation made by our Great Father ? After all we are

His children only - nothing more! Consider the " certainty " flowing

out of Mike's expression and experience! I told you before that you

are " pure " (open) hearted person ! This is how spiritual

reconciliations take place- notwithstanding

culture/caste/colour/country/civilisation etc !!! That is where Holy

Gitaji and Saints like Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj shine like Polar

Star!

 

" My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this! "

 

That is real " advice " ! That is what is " warranted " !! You can't

be " Judge " in this world made by Paramatma !! That is " Satsanga " !

That is " nectar " ! That is " Divine " ! This is " Mantra " ! This

is " guidance " ! Believe me on that ! ( I am taking this liberty of

asking you to " believe me " because you addressed the Question to me,

too )

 

That propels you to shed your " ego " ,your " intellect " ,

your 'mind, " .your " " mamata " (mineness) , your " likings " ( Raag) and

your " dislikings " (Dvesha) !.That requires you to get rid of

your " antahkarana " - by not acknowledging the same to be " yours " !

 

That makes you subdued too. That also makes you a child. That is

reality. That is " SAT " within the meaning of Gitaji.

 

That is " viveka " (Conscience), my Dear Sharmaji !

 

This is " Geeta Talk Group " ! Most certainly this is " Humanity " !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Dear Sharmaji,

 

I don't see why you have to go any where.

If you are comfortable in the place you have lived all these years,

just stay there. If not, just find a surrounding you are comfortable

with.

You already love Gita Ji and also have been deeply influenced by

the books of a particular Swami. You have Internet, pretty much

wherever you are. Just translate sections of the book you like

to English. If it is already in English, re-write in your words.

Share your insight with others, who may be interested.

That is one way to spread your learning among others who may not

have thought of such things, but not averse to it.

Even if you can spread it to one other individual, that is plenty.

You can also share on the Internet. Start a blog site to

post your insights.You are all ready in parama-satsangh.

Joyfully participate in life- you can only do it, when you have

internally withdrawn.

 

 

Enjoy

 

KST

Koti Sreekrishna

 

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Dear Suresh Sharmaji, Let us follow the Lord in doing good karma and

you can think of joining us . --Prem

 

 

Prem Kumar Khullar

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Dear Shashikala bahan,

 

Et tu Brutus.

______________

 

Dear Sadhna Karigar ji,

 

Much help indeed.

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Dear Mike,

 

Your affection has wrapped me from all sides. (Manas : ab mohi bha

bharos

Hanumanta / Binu harikripa milahi nahi santa - Now, I am convinced

Hanuman that

without God’s grace, we cannot even meet the saints)

__________________

 

Dear Pratap Bhatt ji,

 

Your words have opened my eyes, and they make me sad also, though I

know the

truth of ‘shubhashubh prityagi’

-------------------------

Dear Baiya Sathyanarayan,

 

Your words are like torch to me. I can now see the path more clearly.

--------------------------

Dear Raj Kumar ji,

 

You make my heart weep and my eyes damp, out of sheer happiness.

This forum has

really helped me. Krishna’s grace †" unbounded and all around.

________________________

 

Dear Capt Johann Samuhanand,

 

Much grateful for the kind words and guidance, easy to practise.

 

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Dear Bandook Singh ji,

 

I will continue my duties towards all †" vasudhaiv kutumbkam.

 

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Dear Vyas ji,

 

Bura jo dekhan mai gaya, bura na milya koi

Jo ghat dekha aapna, mujhse bura no koi.

 

Once again thank you all for your valuable guidance and making me

see the light in right perspective. I will continue my job and

remain with the family - reading scriptures, attending satsang,

meeting saints and leading a life in a yagyamaya manner.

 

Kindest regards,

Suresh C Sharma

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Dear Sadhak,

The situations you just described are excellent circumstances for

God realization-

1. Free from reponsibilies

2. Free from worldly attachments

3. Considering yr self total failure means no dependency on yr own

strength

 

So instead of putting yr self in Golden Cage(due to attachment to

satvik guna) you should completely surrender yr self to God and be

free(jeevanmukta)

In my opinion you should insist on Paramatma Prapti(God realization)

not on ritualistic sanyaas or good company etc.Do satsang,go and

spend time in ashram, live with realized souls, but always look

inside, and know that I am God's and only God is mine. Knowledge,

devotion and liberation all will come with this knowing only.

 

With lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Sureshji,

 

Your predicament was summed up so well by a comment made by Jeshua

the

Nazarene, " a prophet is not without honor except in his own country

and in his own house " . I just recently made a comment on send to

entire group at another time)

Your country is the World of the Spirit, I have gone through the very

things you have gone through believe you me, I too live in the World

of the Spirit, we dwell in the same land, not Geographically you

understand.

Did not Sri Ramakrishna Paramahams, say God is closer than your skin,

if the good Swami was correct, you do not have to go anywhere to find

'The Beloved', I sure you know 'He' dwells in your heart.

It took me years to come to terms with things like Christmas, I

saw/see it as a time of gluttony and excess, built on a fable,

borrowing from the Pagans,(no disrespect to the Pagans intended).

I had to detach or go mad, but also honor the good things that happen

,like decent organizations that give the poor and destitute a decent

feed at that time, and we by presents that can be distributed to the

poor.

My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this!

Of course the family know me as an oddball, but also they know me as

one without hate, one who will help when there is need.

I have been blessed with so much Divine Love, I have met so many,

many, Great Souls, what a Divine forum this is, is it not?

In passing I am retired but am a very busy person.

 

With Respect and Divine Love,

 

Mike Keenor

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Sureshji, I read your respectful responses to

sadhakas who attempted to answer your question on retirement and

sanyas. My experience tells me that if you have so many reasons to

retire and take sanyas, chances are it will not work for you,

particularly when these reasons are: you don't like situation and/or

behavior of people around you.It sounds like you may be forcing it

upon you(I may be wrong). I am not saying they(spouse/children) are

right in their own rights, but to think " they are wrong and

therefore, you have nothing to do with them " may be the the wrong

thinking as I see it. When one doesn't have any reasons, but only

happiness/love in whatever and wherever one is placed(not where one

places oneself), then, by all means, retirement and sanyas will work

better for one. We generally try to do or undo things to be happy

which, at best, works for short time and we are already looking for

something else to do or undo out of boredom.When we are already

happy and loving, then we do or undo things as if we are playing to

celebrate the life, because we are not looking to get anything which

will make us happy, we just are!I have learnt from life never to

possess another human being be that person your spouse, children,

friends, siblings, parents or whoever. Sometimes we possess by

making someone guilty or self pitying ourselves in front of them or

demands on them, or all such subtle tricks. One's sincerity and

honesty with oneself and above all love for truth will show the next

step. Namaskar

Pratap Bhatt

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Dear Sadak,Bagavan said, " Loka Sheman Vahamiyam " . Means HE takes

care of the whole creation. So dont worry who will teach your

grandchildren. Your time is running out. Only you have to put your

effort which only will work out. Mostly seekers left homes and

stayed amidst nature to avoid social obligations such as marriages

etc. Even saints living with family were also remained detached and

so they were called excentric.This birth balance time can be

untilised purposefully in Sat Sangh, Bajans, Namasankeethan Etc.

Control all emotions, aviod being slave to toung (taste and talk),

see only God`s statue, walk only to temples, your free time spend in

meditation.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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My respectable Sharma ji,

 

I am a 44 year old Police officer in Delhi Police and for at least

20 years of my life I had been privileged to attend the Satsangas of

Swami Ramsukhdasji alongwith reading of his books (particularly the

book " Geeta Probodhini " , which influenced my life, greatly).

Sharmaji, for the last few years I have also been going through the

same social situations as has been described by you and the same

thoughts also come to my mind. I have tried my best to search for

the so called " serenity under a Banyan Tree " but found it no where.

My dear elder brother, we should not forget that we have some basic

needs in our life to be taken care of, so long as we are (rather we

have to) dragging the loathsome weight of this body and for that

very purpose we need society, which I donot think, is wrong. With

the increase of age, our medical needs also increase, which cannot

be avoided.

 

Now comes the burning question, then " Where to Go " ? My dear

brother, with all my sincerety, honesty and experience ( whaterver I

have gained by the grace of my Gurudev) I very truly and whole-

heartedly request you to please take refuge in ATMA. This is the

only place I have found to be most secluded and Serene. When you

are established in your realself, ATMA and when you have made

Brahmakar Vritti, you will find real great bliss, satisfaction and

the most Serene Place in your life, no matter where you are sitting,

whether in a birthday party or marriage party etc. Sir, as and when

you try to run away from these places, I am sorry to say, you

unknowingly create another bindings of Raga and Dwesha, which simply

add another hurdle in your way to attain real and eternal tranqality

in your life which you can attain even while sitting in your office

or at home.

 

Gaining Brahmakar Vritti is neither easy nor difficult. All it

depends on our sincerity. Try this-- throw away all intelligence

you have gained throughout your life, feel like an innocent child

and surrender yourself to God. Cry and cry desperately for him like

an innocent stubborn child. Feel yourself like Arjuna and listen

Him preeching Geeta. (Geeta Probodhini is best) Believe me, He

will come to your rescue and make the way.

 

If ever in Rishikesh, I can suggest satsang opportunity.

Ram Ram

 

Raj Kumar

 

Dear Sharmaji,

I read with interest your post and reply by friends.You say your

family responsibilities are over. But from what you write about your

son,daughter and wife that you are deeply involved in their views and

way of life though they are adults.Your main problem is trying to

control their way of life to yours and just because they as adults

donot agree with your way of life, you tend to blame them and also

your way of bringing up. You think you failed somewhere. You are

absolutely wrong in your view.Your wife and children have been

magnanimous in not enforcing their view or way of life on you . You

want to go on world tour or Indian tour of theertha places, i am sure

your family will allow it. do that and you will understand what is

GEETHA OR DHARMA.

With kind regards.

captain Johann samuhanand

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

Bhaiyya Sharmaji ! Very good Jee !! Bhabhiji should not eat

Golgappes because you don't like Golgappes !! Excellent Jee! Wahe

Guru! She should become like a " Gandhari " – is it? If children get

happy by birthday gifts, you feel they are becoming greedy !

Superlative Jee !! Why will they learn that as they become happy by

taking, there is someone becoming happy by giving also ? You don't

like what your son is doing ( Cellphone/ TV addiction) , good –

understandable ! But then what is objection to you , if he does not

like your watching News on TV ? Whatever " I LIKE SHOULD HAPPEN " –

Is that what you are suggesting, My Dear Bhaiyya ?? What is wrong

with Bhabhiji and kids if they expect you to behave in accordance

with their wish, particularly when you yourself have same

attitude ?. Hence they are in complete tandem with you !! Bolo

Jee !! Boliye Sir !

 

Your complaint is that Mrs Sharma is a great supporter of Son.

Anything wrong there? Are you not a supporter of your son? Who

doesnot support Sons/Daughters? If she is supporting a wrong

conduct , according to you, then it is her dereliction of duties.

Why you should transfer yourself under a banyan tree? If your

nephews etc do not approve of your Gita ways of living, then you

should take sanyaas? Which way is this Bhaiyyaji? Bolo ! " GITA WAY

OF LIVING " !! Approval of nephews/nieces is necessary for you? They

told you honestly that they are too young. Remember your being at

that age!

 

" Rajasic/Tamasic Creepers " !! These are the words you used for God's

children !! Pray to night before the God and say sorry to God –

don't forget to do that !! On one hand, you have registered your

house in the name of my Bhabhiji ( What a great love and

affection) , on the other hand you cannot even tolerate a sight of

her peacefully taking bites of delicious golgappes- which kind of

SAMATA ( EQUANIMITY) is this? Is not clearly a love / mineness

hidden beneath the outer layer of hate? Former is RAAG as per Gita.

Latter is DVESHA as per Gita ! Under which banyan tree you will find

practical situations like this to become EQUANIMOUS?

 

She is working in a bank. She does not need your Retirement cheque.

OK ! Now don't leave the job. Don't make them happy. Say You are not

retiring, Jee ! BECOME " Viviktadeshasevitvam " ( referred by you)

while remaining at home only. Become also " Asaktaranbhishvangam

putra daar griha dishu " ( Referred in previous sloka of BG 13).

Start accumulating money EXCLUSIVELY FOR YOURSELF AND ONLY FOR

YOURSELF_ for next 4/5 years. Don't even give an air of your current

pay cheques. Talk sweetly ! Try to throw bitterness from your

conduct. Inside your heart, there should not be an anger in you for

them, nor an ego in you as to how they will manage, nor a worry in

you, nor an impetuosity in you to know their reactions. Nor should

there be any outer proclamation of revolutionary conduct by you.

NOTHING in front. Let them ignore you. Let them drive their own

lives. When they demand anything from you, then take a call. There

you should think- CAN I DO AND SHOULD I DO ?

 

Keep in touch Jee !

 

Namaste Jee

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sharmaji Your problem is that you are too good a person but

you are taking care of your family in an obliging manner. Now

that the children have grown up and they have started reflecting

upon in their own way- you still desire an attention by them

towards you. You feel the family should circle around your wishes,

tantrums, and thoughts. Come what may- it will not happen. It is not

correct for you to so expect. Spiritualism arises from within-

Sharmaji ! It can not be inflicted by an injection in the

youngsters. Ladies across the globe are like that only. At least

yours is earning and then eating Pani puri. God may create

circumstances in which instead of pani puri ,the very you get

eaten. There is nothing unusual emanating out of your narration

which can drive you to take sanyaas . Dont give much attention to

them. Concentrate on yourself. All are good. All are of God only.

This world has been made in such a manner that it in the end imparts

sorrow only. Hence dont think of going anywhere merely because your

beloveds are not behaving as you like them to do. It is injustice.

Ignore them. Pay attention to your duties and not to the duties of

others.

 

Regards Bandook Singh

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Hari Om

 

My Dear Sharmaji ! Thanks for honest expressions. You indeed have a

pure heart. But Facts as they appear to me are that ONLY you are at

fault- I seek your forgiveness. That every soul is self

centered /selfish is not something which is a new revelation. That

nobody except Paramatma is you/yours/for you is crystal clear to

you, me and all. PROBLEM WITH ALL OF US IS THAT WE KNOW BUT WE DON'T

ACCEPT TILL WE GET SHOCKS ! We know that this body, world, kith and

kin are not ours but still we complain that they don't listen to

words of wisdom. Now what is special about it? It is so ab initio.

But going under some banyan tree is not the answer to your emotional

confusions and complaints. Bitterness, complaint,

frustration,dejection,helplessness, rejection of present status,

expectations of a better conduct from your beloveds, feeling of self

worthlessness , likings , dislikings, cold anger, desire, all of

them are existing inside you and you only. Will your mind not emit

those emotions under a banyan tree? Will the memories not haunt you

there? Believe me – they will !

 

Now what to do ? Consider if you are so insistent on the following.

1. Don't leave the job 2. Take a small house nearby your existing

house on rent and shift there- all alone.3. Stop spending a penny on

any one except on yourself. 4. If kith and kin come to you, tell

them with folded hands --, " Thanks. Now I shall concentrate on

myself.I have a lot to do for myself. Please don't worry about me. I

shall take care of myself. Please be happy. God Bless you, all " .

Then start your sadhana as a " Bhakti Yogi " . ( My earlier suggestion

was reg Karma Yoga).

 

Start concentrating on " self " . Start eliminating- as Shashikalaji

told you- " Raag " ( Likings) and " Dvesha " ( Dislikings) from your

conduct. Your real enemies are Raag and Dvesha. Try to put "

Equanimity " in your conduct. What is the problem to you if Mrs

Sharma likes " golgappes " ? According to you she should eat only what

you want her to eat – Is it? This is example of Raag/Dvesha ! You

have to conquer this. No you cant make youngsters behave as you want

them to behave. YOU CANNOT ! Can you control your own mind and body?

No !

 

You need a lot to do with your own reference!

 

Believe in what Swamiji says in Sadhak Sanjeevani or Sadhan Sudha

Sindhu. Believe that nothing is yours. Believe that " I am of God

and ONLY God is mine. " Never give up your job – else there is a

danger that you shall lose both ends. " DUVIDHA MAIN DONO GAYE ,

MAYA MILI NA RAAM " ( In dilemma, I lost both. World as well as

God) ! Start implementing Swamiji's teachings. You have reached to

present state of " Vairagya " ( Dispassion) only because you served

in the past your wife and children. SERVICE DESTROYS MINENESS- it is

a principle given for benefit of entire humanity by Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. Live such dozens and dozens of laws/principles

stated by Taat Shree in His books/discourses/messages etc.

Concentrate more on that !!

 

There are other methods also. Keep writing/reading. You are in a

right, divine forum.

 

Your kith and kin shall ignore you only so long as you consider them

to be " yours " . The moment you really believe that they are not

yours, they will become " Godly " for you ! Try this !! All dirt is

there in " mineness " only.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas NB

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Respected All,

 

I am greatful for the guidance.

 

Dear Sadhna Karigar ji, very sensible indeed. My problem is that I am

a total failure or misfit in the society. I do not attend the

marriage parties where lot of noisy filmy songs and DJ dances etc.

make me sick even if I keep safe distance. I do not attend birthday

parties because the children celebrating the birthdays are more

interested in the gifts they get " we the gift-givers turn

them into greedy beings. I do not approve of my only son's obsession

with learning modern filmy dance and his addition to cell phone and

TV (he does not like even my watching the news channel) " I am a

total failure as a father for no fault of mine. I cannot take my

wife for outings because she is fond of eating " golgappe " etc and

above all she is a great supporter of her son's activities basically

completely spoiling him from spiritual point of view and making him

into a socially clever fellow. My daughter is in the job and

interested in getting materialistically rich just like any other

young lady. My nephews and niece do not approve of my Gita's way of

life, they say they are too young for these boring things. No one in

my family circle is interested in Swamiji's literature, but in Shani

Mandir and tantrik puja etc. I have realized to the core of my

heart that I cannot change or influence anyone in my family for their

real betterment. Wife and son are feeling happy at my idea of

premature retirement as they will get a few more lakhs of rupees.

Wife works in a bank. I am not finding fault with anyone, but that

is their " prarabdha " . Should I continue to be in the family to

nourish the " rajsik and tamsik " creepers (though all this

is " vasudevam sarvamiti " )? It would be a pleasure should I

become manure for any " satvik " plant.

 

Gita also teaches - Viviktadeshsevitvam, aratirjansansadi (dwelling

in a secluded place and lack of desire to be in the crowd) supports

my decision to seek sanyas. Though I want to be in the company of

the saints " bodhyantah parasparam " .

 

Dear Prem Khullar ji, while I agree with you fully, and by seeking

retirement and entering into the Sanyas, I am sure I can better

serve God's needy creatures with more freedom and time. I have been

studying and conserving birds and their habitats in Haryana since

1976 ˜sarvabhoot hite ratah " .

 

Dear N K Srinivasan ji, nice suggestion. I want to have regular and

continuous ˜darshanâ " of saints ˜gyan vigyan astikyam "

 

Shashikala bahan, I am a complete failure in family life and will be

a big failure if I persist in my meaningless social efforts. I am

reading the scriptures in general and Sadhak Sanjivani / Sadhak

Sudha Sindhu in particular. Your arguments are faultless, yet I want

to run away from the consumerist society and want to lead a perfect

peaceful natural life under some banyan tree in an ashram. Your

˜bhabhi " is interested in money and will be happy to get my post-

retirement cash and monthly pension; I have already registered the

house in her name. For myself, I do not need much and out of my Rs

15000 plus monthly pension, I just need one fifth of it at the most.

I do not think in this modern society my family members, present

and/or would be, will be interested in a ˜yagyaacharatah karma " Let

them be in their fool's paradise (if I can use the term of Henry

David Thoreau).

 

Dear Mahalaksmi Dasi ji, I appreciate your optimism. But I am a sort

of " sarvaarambh prityagi " .

 

Dear Hari Shanker Deo, I am seeking company of spiritual people and

something within me says " get out of this dirty consumerist social

life " .

 

Dear Vineet Sarvottam ji, Is there some Ashram in Churu also? Yes,

you are right. I recall Kabir's vani ˜rahna nahi, desh begana hai "

 

Dear Vyas ji, I am indeed indebted to you for detailed guidance,

practical and yet spiritual.

 

Still, I am a little confused.

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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Sir,

You must develop faith on our scriptures and establish firm

relationship with Gita itself can give you guidance on where to go,

what to do etc. Me too is 53 by age but I never feel my age because

I am engaged in service. Never worry about future or my past. We

must live in present. We are never free from responsibilities. Our

main duty is to know and serve. The more we know the more we serve.

Offer our service to the Lord while doing and we must leave it. Take

up the next till the Central Government terms end. We never end our

karma till the time of our departure from here. So that do not think

about a retirement from central government job. Still you can get

engaged in Gita service and the service with the Lord if you change

your attitude, not your situation. You have no control over the

situation only control is to develop over your mind.

Love, krishna das.

 

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If at some point in time when you are closer to a decision, you can

help us to help the needy children for their education, health and

mind.

 

Padmanabhan Sundaram

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhak,

Swamiji Ramsukhdasji, never encouraged such things as like taking

early retirement , he never asked anyone to leave the job and take

sanyaas (as far as I understand his teachings.)

yr desire could be called a Satvik desire, but no matter what desire

leads to sufferings. So Swamiji says-donot even desire for

liberation/mukti.

Only desire for God is Worth desiring.Have only one desire-

Krishna/God and He will show you the path to reach Him.

 

Yogusth kuru karmani(Do yr karma while established in Yoga)

Working or retired doesnot obstruct yr path for self

enlightenment.Start yr spiritual journey RIGHT NOW, at this very

moment, wherever you are.Donot make it a future goal.

 

Nasto Vidhyate Bhao, Nabhao vidhyate satah (Gita 2:16)

The unreal has no existence and the real has no cessation...

So nomatter where you are the Real is with you every moment and the

unreal is leaving you every moment.

 

Detachment from the unreal is sanyaas, and knowing the difference

between what is real and what is unreal is Knowledge (Gita Ch 13 &

14)

 

Accepting everything as God's is Bhakti (Vasudev Sarvam)

 

Now tell me to follow any of these paths-karma yoga, gyaan yoga or

bhakti yoga, where do you need to go ?

Nowhere/anywhere/everywhere ?

 

Kasturi Kundal basi mrig dhundhe van mahi---(the aroma is coming out

from deer's own naval but he is running in the forest to find the

source/ Krishna/God is sitting right in our heart, but we are trying

to find Him outside)

 

with lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Suresh Sharma ji,

 

WHERE TO GO ? WHERE CAN YOU GO ? NO WHERE . EVERY THING IS HERE . I

was an air force officer for 22 years. I retired 27 years back . I

am here running a 50 bed charitable hospital and various programs.

READ GITA , FOLLOW IT AND DO NOT BOTHER ABOUT THIS LIFE AND DEATH '

CHAKKAR'. It will be what ever it may be or whatever it has to be .

 

SERVE THE WORLD TO THE HILT - CEASELESSLY ,UNENDLESSLY AND FOR EVER.

LOVE

 

PREM KHULLAR

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Dear Sharmaji,

After retirement,I would suggest that you visit several pilgrim

centres and sacred temples,like a Parivrajika, with a few items with

you.Asmall suitcase and a bag.By such visits, your mind will be

purified and also you will learn more about our poeple ,their forms

of devotion and thier simple,humble ways.The railway tickets are

quite low and you need not sppend much.After say two or three years

of religious wandering or pilgrimages, you can select a place or

ashram or suitable palce to stay...This I learnt after my own

wanderings after the age of sixty.You are much younger and should be

easy for you.You will learn more about Bharat,our motherland after

that.

Regards,

In Shirdi Sai Smaran,

N K Srinivasan

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Jai Hanuman

 

No Bhaiyya Sharmaji. This " more or less over " with reference

to " duties " of marital life is not acceptable. Nor did I like your

last words - " where to go " !!

 

But your gesture/sentiment/approach is laudable- no questions about

the same!

 

WHERE TO GO ? - No where Dear. Remain where ever you are. Start now

a new life with no outer change. Concentrate on removing " Raag " (

Likings) and " Dvesha " (Dislikings) from your mind / intellect/

thoughts /psyche /person ! They are roots of your worldly stays of

past, present and future!

Read Scriptures/ Swamiji in spare time. Think about the soul, your

role in this Divine Lila !

 

By the way who are you to decide whether you should work or not? Did

you check up with Bhabhiji ( Mrs Sharma) ? Do as she says. No

arguments on this.

 

Have you planned adequately for your old age ? Who will instil God

in grand children? Who will guide them to righteousness? Who will

create cultural base for them and for the family ? Who will set

examples of selfless conduct? Who will make them better humans? Only

grand parents can do that- not the parents!

 

No Running away Bhaiyya! Stay put !! There are lot of things to do !

We will discuss if you actively participate !

 

Ever thought what should be your goal for balance life? It should

be " O God- I should not be coming back again in this world in any

type of body- unless you sponsor me as your representative for your

work. I should be free forever from this circle of birth and death " .

Think on these lines. Get rid of all worldly

attachments/connections/mineness by continuously and selflessly

serving all people around you with all the things you have - without

expecting anything from them in return In dreams even do not

visualise a situation where you get dependent over any worldly

body/thing. You get retired without actually retiring merely by

relinquishing dependence over the same ! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !!

 

Get free! Feel free ! Dream Free ! Seek freedom ! Remaining where

ever you are ! There is no need to go anywhere ! Make your home

itself a temple. Love all . See God in all. Don't establish

any " new " connection/relationship/attachment with any body/thing-

for getting anything worldly out of them. Concentrate on self and on

conscience.

 

KABIRA KHADA BAJAAR MAIN SABKI MAANGE KHAIR !

 

NA KAHOO SE DOSTI NA KAHOO SE VAIR !!

 

Says Saint Kabir - I am standing in this market (worldly life)

wishing good for all and sundry. I have neither any friends (

likings- Raag) nor any enemies (dislikings- Dvesha) !

 

That is real sanyaas ! My Dear Brother ! That is real retirement !

Not leaving or not leaving the Government Service !!

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

 

 

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My dandavat pranams to all in this fourm......responsibilities have

kept me so busy that I have neglected this beautiful forum, sadly.

In regard to this sacred question....what to do when one is

encountering the need to absorb oneself in spiritual practices for

oneself and others. I know that this is not exactly how the

question was worded, but truly, it is what I heard....because you

have come to the point of saying, " Where do I go from here " .....

indeed, age is not truly the criterion for one being ready to absorb

oneself in full devotion.....it is a point where one finally

accepts, " I have no business in this world save and except to live

for bhajan, for glorifying the lord, for providing knowledge of Gita

to others. "

 

I have accepted Los Angeles as my place to execute this

activity.....it is where the Lord has put me. Pray for guidance,

and it will come....Los Angeles has many, many groups of sadhaks, as

well as a very high level of vegetarian communities, vegan, raw,

east Indian, etc......and there are so so many people to give some

time and energy to as far as speaking on Bhagavat dharma. But than,

almost any city in the world these days, is needing Hari Katha to

purify the atmosphere.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

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Stay where you are. Seek a genuine Guru/Guru within. He will lead

you towards the right path. Meditate and seek the company of

spiritual people.

Hari Shanker Deo

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Shri Sureshji, This is the same question that I had asked Swamiji

fourteen years back, while considering retirement - (should I go to

Rushikul, or Churu, or Rishikesh, or Gorakhpur), then his reply is

something that is useful to you - " Brother, wherever you are, remain

there as is, always " longing and desiring " , then your work will be

done. Because that Paramatma which you think about attaining in

Gorakhpur, or Rishikesh etc. that very same Paramatma wholly and

entirely is at this very moment close to you, now and at all

times. What more, you yourself are wise and patient, but when it

comes to relationship with Paramatma, the impatience (that intense

longing) works ! Very well!

 

Vineet Sarvottam

 

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Hari Om

 

Dear Shri Sharmaji

 

At the outset welcome! Great things in life don't wait for any

retirement. No outside activity can accelerate your turning towards

the ultimate. If your family has slightest of the need for your

continuing doing the Govt Job - Please unhesitantly continue doing

that. Swamiji always advocated " 24 x 7 " work. Consider after having

fulfilled your responsibilities at this age of 53 ( I am also 53 and

have done all that is necessary for my family responsibilities,

married both daughters, a son and another son is ready for marriage,

all well settled- only difference is I am employed in private

sector) as to whether whatever you earn honourably and justfully out

of your employment- you should use them for welfare and benefit of

1. Those for whom you still have mineness/attachment (including your

body)- with a special sentiment always awakened in you inside that "

they are not you/yours/for you " 2 Those for whom you have no

mineness/attachment.

 

That is one way you can plan. Check up with your better half if she

wants you to continue working. If she says even " may be " or " as you

think fit " - work! Work so that you may never seek economic

dependence upon anyone for rest of your life. Work so that you may

be of help to category 2 people ( stated in preceding paragraph)!

Work in government without accepting anything extra. Live there like

a lotus in water. You can. You should. Work so that you may see God

whereever you get engaged in.

 

Ensure that today you don't need anybody for anything pertaining to

your balance stay in this world. If you feel some are dependent upon

you( say wife)- serve them with double intensity and speed.

 

But keep a thought burning inside you - " I am of God, Only God is

mine, nothing else is mine " . Don't expect anything from anybody-

even from God. Keep utilising whatever you have for benefit and

welfare of whoever comes in touch with you - if you can and if you

should.

 

All extra time in your life should be utilised in reading Swamiji's

books, Gita, Ramayana, listening to Swamiji's pravachans, singing

bhajans, doing keertans and remaining in good company always.

 

This is one way. Another totally different way - next time.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

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Great idea!!!!!

I have been doing the same because I have also been influenced very

deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. We might be able to do share some

thoughts on some projects

 

Satya Kalra

 

 

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Respected Vyasji and others,

 

I am 53 and may seek premature retirement from my central govt

service. Married and family responsibilities are more or less over.

 

I want to spend my post-retirement life in the company of Gita

scholars/students/lovers. I have been influenced deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj.

 

Can you kindly guide me where to go?

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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NEW POSTING

 

Dear Sadaks,

 

Ref: Prepetina Gonsalves. Woman are said to be behind every

successful man. That is because their love and tendering care gives

man strong power. Besides woman such as Sant Sakubai, Meera Bai,

Sant Anusuya, Sati Savitri and many more did what man saints never

did. They could stop revolution of earth, they saw Yama and got life

back, Sakubai rose from death, Meera` s poision Sri Krishna drank,

for Padmavati wife of sant Jai Dev who wrote Geetha Govind, God

Jaganath appeared first to Padmavathi. Why, my wife S.Danalakshme

aged 59 has little rheumatic complaints and sicknesses. In spite of

that she prepared food for Sri Krishna limping with pain, cleans the

pooja room with great difficulty, garlands Sri Krishna neatly and

patiently. But she does much little meditation than me. But God

approves her love more than mine several folds. We are in Chennai.

She predicts things that happens. She told me about Tusnami 2 days

earlier. So woman can be much Godlier than men.

 

Even many Sanyasins had Ego and mineness. These can be eradicated by

constant sadana only and God` s blessings. Sant Ekanath has said,

To day is your gift my Bagavan, tomorrow I do not know what, my day

ends tomorrow nothing (my family, wealth, people around, all the

mine and myself) comes with me. Oh Bagavan you will only come that

last breath, I know. This one should remember most of the day, then

mine will disappear.

 

Sanyasin Dharma says Upanashids, that once Sanyas taken, a mistake

even by mind done, there is NO prayachit (No excuse)

 

Jai Sri Krishna

 

baiya sathyanarayan

 

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My dear elder brother Sharma ji,

 

Hari Om,

 

If ever in Rishikesh I suggest wonderful satsang opportunity.

Hari Om.

Raj Kumar

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Pujya Swamiji's messages in the last year, more clearly in the last

month were " Wherever you are, there Paramatma IS " .. there is no need

to go anywhere.

 

He specifically did not recommend females to leave their household

for spiritual pursuits. Meera Das Ram Ram

 

Attached is an old sadhak message posting when someone asked him

this question (even though more focused on younger females, it is

equally applicable) -

 

Question: Girls are leaving their home for pursuing a spiritual

path. They are not wanting to get married. Swamiji, what is your

opinion regarding this?

 

Swamiji: If you get true association it is OK, but in this day and

age I have not seen such true associations (satsang). They should

therefore stay at home and do satsang. These days I do not encourage

women to not get married, because they are not able to get true,

good spiritual associations.

 

Question: What should they do, stay at home and do their spiritual

practices?

Swamiji: Yes they can stay at home (parent's home, brother's home)

and do satsang. I am unable to see associations that are true. In

this day and age, it is very difficult to find. If you have true and

ardent desire for God, going outside to some ashram, some spiritual

place to attain spiritual enlightenment, is an impossible task. Stay

at home, with parents, with brother, under their shelter, then it is

possible. One has to decide for them selves, but for females this is

very difficult in this day and age. Unfortunatly, it is even

difficult of males as well. True good associations are simply not

available in these times. If there is a deep longing within, many

good spiritual practices are available to attain one's salvation.

One must meet a good supporting spouse. Having the aim, " I want to

attain my salvation, " that is the key. This single pointed aim is

more important than anything else. It is only possible if the

determination is strong. I tell these things with great vigor and

force, but people are simply not paying attention.

 

In this day and age, without getting married, females cannot easily

remain safe from the world. By having an ardent desire for God, they

can attain God Realization by being at home. In fact, with great

ease one can realize God. Become ready ! Become alert !

 

When your direction is not clear, when your aim is not clear, how

can God Realization be possible? With a true heart you are not

desiring God. Even among those that are here, there are only a

handful that I see that have a true desire for God. It requires a

conviction such as - " even if I die I will not commit sin. "

 

True spiritual guides are simply not seen these days. Very few are

there, that are telling the true essence. If you take complete

refuge in God, He will guide you. There will be no obstacles.

 

From Discourse by Swami Ramsukhdasji in Hindi on Aug 28, 2000 at 8:30

am

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Sadhaks

 

I read with interest the deliberations on this Satsanga web site. I

genuinely feel this is one of the best satsanga forum. I have

questions on this retirement issue. What about females? Can they

also consider retirement from home and go to some ashram or secluded

place and pursue spiritual goals? It is not that males only are

sufferers. Females too tolerate injustices and domination. What are

the views of Saints and Gita etc on the subject? Secondly, Mr Vyas

has charted a course with amazing clarity on the subject of

retirement. My question is why " accessible " ? How " mineness " can get

eradicated when you are accessible to your family? How at the end

you get egoless/minenessless? Does Sanyaas principles permit such

course of action as suggested by Mr Vyas?

 

Prepetina Gonsalves

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Hari Om

 

Of the responses in favour of retirement/sanyaas , Sadhaks should

consider response of A V Raghunath.

 

After having rendered self less service to the immediate family and

THEREBY- ONLY thereby -gaining dispassion- vairagya or finding one

self " in nothing left to be done for family " state, if at all one

has liking for retirement, then one should migrate to one's native

place. After serving family, the next in line is " society " , you owe

society a lot in fact. There you will find ample opportunities of

redeeming subtle debts and becoming totally debt free. If such a

native place is a small village/town- it is wonderful.

There one should indulge in cow service. Service to the down

trodden. Service to the elders... And slowly, slowly by rendering

selfless service lead the self to egolessness/minelessness.

 

However there are considerations of one's present state while

contemplating. It should NEVER be out of bitterness or anger or

frustration or helplessness or hatred or rejection or to teach

lesson to some one or out of the fact that you have been defeated or

self criticism or self perceived failure. NEVER. It should emerge

out of peace generating naturally in you of having lived a life of

Karma Yogi ( Household, Grihastha) for say 25/35 years and out of

the fact that by and large your house hold duties have come to an

end and you are not having any " real dependents " upon you- like old

parents or wife.

 

So long old parents are alive, if there are capable brothers, and

parents give consent, then it is another matter but otherwise, the

real God is in their feet only.

 

As regards better half, an option and always guilt free option

should be made honourably available to her. Live with your children

if you want, live with me the way I do or live alone in the home if

you like and are comfortable - do whenever you want whatever out of

the three options. Handover every worldly possession to her

gracefully , as a matter of duty and live your life with bare

minimum ( out of a portion of say pension or some fixed income) .

Total freedom should be given ti her respectfully with access of

yourself always available to her- unconditionally - till you breath

your last.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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PRIOR POSTING

 

 

Shree Hari

|| Ram Ram ||

 

Dear Sureshji,

Thank you very much for sharing your personal issue so candidly. In

some form or another many of the sadhakas face similar situations.

This is a great example of journey for a sadhaka marching

from 'Vishad Yoga' towards the 'Moksha Sanyasa Yoga'. The quality,

speed and number of responses received on this topic were very

impressive, encouraging and helpful with which you seem to found the

answer. This shows the positive dynamism of the blessed Gita-talk

group. It is not surprising to see since the group was started on

holy inspiration by none other than Swamiji Maharaj.

 

Few more comments:

 

1. Generally when we talk about Sanyasa, it is leaving the world and

going to the forest but Gitaji clearly defines who is a true

Sanyasi, " a Nitya Sanyasi or ever a renunciate is the one who

neither hates nor desires (Ref: Gita 5-3, Jneyah sa nityasanyasi yon

a dvestu na kanksati …).

 

2. During our spiritual journey, we are not to become despondent

while facing adverse situations, Swamji Maharaj said that we should

stay happy in all circumstances, this in itself is a great tapas

(austerity). In the introduction to Sadhak Sanjiveeni, Swamiji says

that there is no situation or a setting in our lives which we cannot

use to help us advance in our spiritual path.

 

3. No body is to be blamed for our seemingly bad situation or the

circumstances, it is due to our own prarabhada, people on the scene

happen to be delivering what is supposed to come to us due to our

own past karmas.

 

4. The beauty of the spiritual journey is to transform our life such

as to provide us with peace, harmony, joy and stability at all of

our personality levels - physical, mental, emotional and spiritual.

With an attitude of love, understanding and cooperation all issues

can be resolved as they affect us.

 

5. Gitaji is teaching us to do our Swa-dharma (duty) at all times

keeping in view the Ashram, Varna (Caste) and situation at hand, our

duty is not to be shunned at any time (Ref: Gitaji 2/31-37). Also,

our Swadharma or duty is not to judge other as to whether they are

doing their duty.

 

6. The ideal attitude is to strive for is to have no insistence (no

Agraha), we can advise or suggest in a pleasant manner but we should

not insist or even expect that others must follow our advice. The

insistence that people should listen to us only, do what we say,

will give us nothing but pain to us and others.

 

7. The world outside of us is nothing but a projection of our mind

only. (Ref: Gitaji 7-5, jivabhatam mahabahio, yaye `dam dharyate

jagat). In a given setting, it is said that 90% is the attitude and

10% the situation. With the change in our attitude of loving,

understanding and not finding faults, we will start to radiate peace

and joy only, the others will take us as a good living example and

will consider an ideal to follow, what a great one does, other

follow. (Ref: Gita: 3-21, yad-yad acarati sesthas, tad-tad evataro

janah ….). We read examples, at hermitage of saints, even the

animals of opposite nature live together in peace.

 

Few illustrations:

 

a). Life on earth is like waiting room on a railway station, people

come there, stay together for some time and then go their own ways.

Separation is the sure thing in this world, nothing is permanent, so

why get excited about something so temporary.

 

b). Just like on the bed of the river there are sand particles, they

travel with the moving stream, some times they come together and

other times they separate. The relatives and friends have come

together to separate only in the end. We just have to pay the dues,

sometimes we receive and other times we pay back. After the account

is squared off, debt is clear, our account is closed.

 

c). Just like when the boat is in the water, water should not get in

the boat, similarly, we should live in the world but the world

should not get into us. --- Sri Ramakrishna

 

d). It does not matter which direction the ship is sailing in but

Compass always points to the north. In the same way, does not which

activity of the world we are doing, keep our mind on God. --- Sri

Ramakrishna

 

Ram Ram

Humble pranams,

Madan Kaura

 

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Priy sadhak

As you say you want to retire ! So leave everything including " what

you should do " to the God. Be a toy in hands of God, play with God

as son plays with parents. " Hoihe soi jo ram rachi rakha ko kari

tarak badave sakha Ram siya Ram siya ram jai jai ram. "

Thanx

Raja Gurdasani

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Varun ji,

 

I am indeed grateful to all of you who have lighted candles in my

dark room. The final result is that I am not seeking retirement from

my office and will continue to remain with the family.

 

When I mentioned something about my family members, my purpose was

not to judge/degrade them. It was merely that I as a hubby, as a

father, as a guardian, in my social context was feeling exhausted

like an old cow, unable to yield milk and then the owners deciding

to sell it to the butcher and get some money.

 

Now, when I am convinced that the family members like many many

others in the world are heading towards the bottomless well/pit and

are not listening to the wise counsels of the great saints then, how

long will I continue dragging myself towards the pit with them? My

possessive wife does not stop me from reading scriptures, rather she

assists me in that, but because she out of her own insecurity and

cruel possessiveness of me feels a little comfortable that " at

least, the hubby is at home " Her " God puja " consists of single point

" sakaam bhavâ " that hubby remains in her grip and so remains other

members of the family (Shashikala bahan, I AM NOT TERMING MY WIFE

IS COPPER AS IRON, BUT DO NOT EXPECT ME TO CALL HER COPPER AS GOLD).

When I use the word " creepers " for her and other members, my aim was

not " creep " but the creeping plant which wants to grow up always

seeking support, i.e., dependency on others. Let me assure my

learned readers/participants that I am nearly detached " but I love

to be with nature, eco-friendly ashrams, Gita loving people, simple

and honest persons " not because of some desire/lust, because as the

Swamiji mentions " underground water is everywhere, but our purpose

is served only by the handpump/well "

 

Life so far, in family context, has been a " Tale told by an idiot,

full of sound and fury, signifying nothing " , borrowing from

Shakespeare and its end if continued the way my wife and others want

me to go on, will be ˜not with a bang, but with a whimper " again

borrowing from T.S. Eliot.

 

I was not talking of sanyaas/retirement to become something

else " when there is lot of noise coming from the loudspeakers around

you (round the clock), the only option is either get out for some

other place or put some earplugs for ever. Nevertheless, woman is a

purgatory " no one knows better than I do.

 

I have been to the Gita Bhawan, Rishikesh several times and was

present there when the Swamiji breathed his last but detached and

aloof. If someone can please tell whom I should meet there, I will

not waste a single day and will be happy to travel to Rishikesh

again.

 

Thank you all from the core of my heart. All of you have helped me a

lot and thanks a lot to the moderator for running such a wonderful

divine group. You have not only taken me to the divine water but

have made me to drink it.

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

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Dear sadaks,

 

To seek God or liberate or to do perfect sadhana (spiritual

disciplines) if these are within our efforts, we could have been

long ago become one with Godhood. Since we are only trying but not

with complete renunciation, we are coming back here again and again.

This is our experience. Sadhaks touch your hearts and say is this

not true? Truth is always like neem leaf taste - bitter. Illusion is

like sugar.

 

Mr. Sharma question is answered in so many angles. We have dealt so

much about surrender earlier.

 

One`s Karma only Bhagavan knows as HE said to Arjuna that past,

present and future HE knows. Mr. Suresh can stay where he is, he can

surrender to God, let HIM (Bhagavan) decide where and how to be.

Then the path will be perfect. Saying things like - you should do

like this, you have to see about your grandchildren, you have to see

to your parents, and so on. The truth is ultimately what happens is

HIS will. Just surrender and be relaxed like Prahalad.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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Sanyaas is one of the four Ashramas in our scriptures. Who is to

enter it, when is he to enter it, is dependent on the dictates of

the Shastras (scriptures) – not on our conveniences and

inconveniences faced in life. It is not an escape route.

 

Shri Bhagawaan has also said:

 

Tasmaat-shaastram pramaanam te kaarya-akaarya vyavasthitau/

Gyaatvaa shaastra-vidhaan-oktam karma kartum iha-arhasi// 16:24

 

" Therefore let the scriptures be the authority in determining what

ought to be done and what ought not to be. Having known what is

prescribed in the ordinance of scriptures, you should act

accordingly in this world. " (Gita 6:24)

 

Respectful regards,

 

Dr. Ranjeet Singh.

 

 

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Hare Krishna

 

Mahalakshmiji, you have indeed hit the bull's eye. No doubt about

it. Sureshji, if your family is stopping you from walking towards

God, then just renounce it. Don't give a second thought to it. After

death of this body, only dharma and God will go with you. No one

else.

But from your posting, it doesn't seem so. It seems that they are

not stopping you but they are merely disinterested of your

inclination towards spirituality.

 

Also your reason for Sanyaas is not detachment and dispassion but

dislike. The reason for this dislike is your family is not

conducting themselves as per your expectations. If you had not

expected anything from them then you wouldn't have been so confused.

 

And also one who has expectations how can he become a sanyaasi??

Lord says " Arjuna, you must know that what they call Sanyasa is no

other than Yoga; for none becomes a Yogi, who has not abandoned His

sankalpas(thoughts of the world) " (Gita 6.2)

 

Expectation comes only after sankalpa. After clinging on a worldly

thought, a desire erupts. (Gita 2.62) Sanyaas is for those who don't

have any worldly thoughts. You have failed in HSC (renouncement of

desire) but you want to pass post-graduation (sanyaas)!! [Graduation

is to be freed from worldly thoughts.]

 

Sureshji, please don't take theka of others. Just send your family

on a vacation, on a long long vacation. You might have read this in

Swamiji's books

 

TERE BHAVE JO KARE BARO BHULO SANSAR

NARAYAN TU BAITHKE APNO BHUVAN BHUVAR

 

Sir, just chill out and engage in God. Don't worry about them. God

is more worried about them than you can imagine. Just serve them and

break your mineness. That's it.

 

If you are still confused then go to Gita-Bhawan, (Rishikesh,

Swargashram) and take wise council of those souls who have been

closely associated with Swamiji for many years. Reveal to them all

what you said here and they will guide you surely.

 

Thanks,

 

Hare Krishna

Varun P. Paprunia

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Dear Suresh Sharma,

 

RETIREMENT WITH A MISSION IS LIKE A FLOWER WITH FRAGRANCE.

 

We greatly appreciate your willingness to seek suggestions for your

retirement era. Please consider tracing your roots and adopt and

rehabilitate your ancestral village. Everyone of us must take care

of our own mother, our own mother tongue and our own mother

(ancestral) village. the great need of this time is applied Bhagavad

Gita.

 

Sincerely,

A.V.Raghunath

-

One has to go within and find the true self......

one has to practice whatever has been read and understood to

experience the true self....

Understanding is whole thing.....

 

Sushil Jain

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

Hari Om

 

Some final thoughts on the subject:

 

1 Never look out for an acknowledgement from family of what you have

done for them. It is a desire not liked by God. It hurts your

spiritual goals. A curt answer that whatever you did was your duty

will then hurt you more.

 

2 Never seek mercy from near and dears. An answer that you were

foolish enough will readily come. Self pity also doesn't make

surroundings really strong. It is contagious.

 

3 Never impose your thoughts over the family members. You will have

no answer to the counter question as to whether every soul is

independent or not.

 

AKKAL SHARIRA OOPAJE, DIYA LAAGE DAMB

 

Wisdom arises from within. If some body tries to impose it, he is

perceived as poisonous snake.

 

Don't invite disrespect for you.

 

4 Remember each soul is accumulating Karmas of their own. You have

got connected with them because of contractual karmic obligations

and the moment accounts are settled, all will part ways. It is a law.

 

5 Set examples of decent conduct irrespective of its immediate

results/reception. Children will use them when there is real need

for the same irrespective of your presence at that time.

 

6 Serve, Serve and Serve. Destroy mineness/ego/likings and

dislikings using one weapon only- expectationless service. That is

possible only when you are in your home- dealing with people who are

not " actually " yours. Once the thought comes in your mind that they

are not " yours " the service by you becomes real and divine and lifts

you spiritually. Before that it is " selfish " - arising out of

mineness and hence done for self and hence producing bondage. Lucky

are those guys who realise before serving that the servicee

is " actually " not mine.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

 

MY respects to all in this foorum....

I am noting the interest in this topic....very strong indeed!

One has to think deeply and ponder all the varieties of responses.

Let me add one more thought into the mix.....my gurudeva, A.C.

Bhaktivedanta Swami, mentioned occasionally to his disciples that

the last straw which drove him to finally take sannyas was when his

wife traded his Srimad Bhagavatam for tea. She had threatened, and

he told her, " tea, or me " ......she made the choice. So, there is

definitely a line which a sadhu must draw, of being willing to

tolerate only to a certain extent.

Are there offenses to the concepts of Guru, shastra, or sadhu in

the home? Analyze this before deciding whether it is a fit place

to reside. And then know, that purification will surely take place

once having departed.....again, another story from the life of my

guru, is that shortly after leaving for sannyas, he was gored by a

bull. I do not remember so much the story, but it is documented in

various places.....there is a biography six volumes called Srila

Prabhupada Lilamrta if you have inclination. Even one whose only

intent WAS and IS to spread bhakti, to give an opportunity to others

to learn Sanatan dharma....still....so much pain and suffering on an

external level. So, know that whatever you choose, you must come

to the level of " atmarama " finding pleasure in the self alone. This

level is very high....and to attain it, you may certainly need to

take steps to seek out exalted association....the Lord will guide

you if you sincerely cry out to Him.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

Finally a short practical event from every day life:

 

You are in a car which stops at a signal. A beggar spreads his hands

and you give say Dollar one to him. A friend sitting beside will

call that payment as " donation " . So will God.

 

You reach home and your son comes to you and seeks money. You give

him say Dollar one to him. Same friend will not call that payment as

donation. Nor will God.

 

Why?

 

Now compare these two payments. At both places you did your duty. At

both places you didn't expect money to be returned. At both places

you wanted the recepient to become happy. At both places you

renounced.

 

What was the difference between the two payments then? This is

question !

 

Answer is - To the beggar you never considered to be " mine " while

paying. But you considered your son to be " mine " while paying. What

else was the difference? This difference has changed the very karma

and its results.

 

If you give monthly expenses to your wife without considering,

inside your heart, her to be " mine " - Law of Karma will classify the

entire amount as " donation " . If not- bondage!

 

How easy ! How practical!! How Simple!!! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Hare Krishna

 

As I understand, Sanyaas should be taken only when one is completely

detached (teevra vairagya). In some cases such a soul does not

renounce world, in fact the world renounces him. Example of

Shukdevji fits the bill, whereas in case of Arjuna and Janaka etc

even after realization they did not take sanyaas. A sadhak should

make his spiritual practice in accordance with the situation he is

in. If solitude becomes must for sadhak's spiritual progress then

God will change his situation where he can do his sadhan alone.

 

Sadhak's duty is only to serve others and not to find anyone's

fault. If anyone's fault is visible then rather than hating him,

sadhak should pity him and pray to God for his welfare. The biggest

point in serving is to fulfill other's ethical wishes. He should not

force his spiritual views on worldly people, because it will prove

counter-productive. Swamiji gave discourses only to serve humanity.

He never sported attitude of " I can improve others. I am more

knowledgeable than others etc " . Whatever Swamiji gave He gave only

with the intention to serve. We should also carry the same sentiment.

 

Hare Krishna,

 

Varun P. Paprunia

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Jai Hanuman

 

 

 

Yeah ! It is Marcus Brutus " Dear Julius Ceaser !! Dear Bhaiyya !

Hope you didn't mind my arrow like response. We at GT Group are like

a family. I keep on taking such liberties. Bad habit according to my

Hubby. In fact, I had to go through a snub from my Hubby but then I

wrote what indeed I felt right. Welcome to this family. Please keep

writing and contributing. You are now a part of really selfless and

divine forum. Please keep sharing your views. In fact " Et tu Brutus "

I should also say because of your humble and genuine approach and

your capacity to appreciate such brutal attack. Hats Off to you. May

Lord Krishna be always with you. Indeed you have a heart made of

Gold. This world is sustained on the strength of people like you.

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

 

Shashikala

 

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Dear Sir,

 

Since you are still young at 53, you should devote some more years

in doing your karma by doing social work of your liking and to the

uplift of down trodden and poor people.

 

Best regards,

Sivaraman.V

 

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Jai Hanuman

 

We as humans have to face this peculiar creation made by God as an

acid test.This world is simply an examination hall for each and

every human being. Here is the world which like greggary(sweet) or

salt from which ever side or way you " consume " it is sorrowful.

(DUKHALAYAM) Biggest treachery comes from the closest people. There

is no way a permanent element can derive pleasure out of temporary

element. Now what is our role? How to go about it? How to conquer?

How to pass with distinction marks from this examination?

 

Art of Living in this world as taught by Swamiji is simple. Don't

try to change the circumstances. Change yourself. Don't judge

others. Judge yourself. Problem is that generally we judge others

and pardon ourselves. It should be reverse. Once you concentrate on

your duties and others' rights - you are on right path. But ego does

not often let us do that. We often end up talking about our rights

and others' duties. How wife should behave, how children should

behave etc etc. What we don't pay attention to is that " talking "

doesnot help. Conduct or silent example setting before the kids

helps.If you want some one to live as per Gita- the best way is to

live yourself as per Gita. At the appropriate hour the vibrations

will be caught by the children. Any hurry or insistence invariably

gets counter productive. You have no capacity to mould others as per

your wishes. That you can't do. You have capacity to mould yourself

as per wishes of others. That you can do. Where is the wisdom in

attempting what we can't do and ignoring what we can do !

 

I oppose bitterly this " mind " only because it always suggests what

we can't do. From the perspective of mind it is natural because it

exists in " nothingness " only- past/future! But from ever

existing " self " point of view- it proves fatal. Hence scriptures ask

you to drop reliance on mind.

 

Once we are on right path- what is my duty - the result in due

course is miraculous and unbelievable !!

 

What is the result ? Result is that " dukhalayam " gets converted

practically into " God " Himself (Vasudevah Sarvam) ! Once you don't

desire anything from anyone - then that anyone becomes God -as far

as you are concerned. This is something which sounds extra ordinary

but my experience has taught me that it is true.

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sadhak

Dear Suresh Sharma

I feel while remaining with the family, you can still have God

realisation by having detached view, Sakshi bhav, surrendering

fruits of all actions to God, leaving Karta Bhav and of course

meditation and Bhakti to wards Supreme God what so ever name you

call him

Thanks

 

 

G K Agrawal

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Hare Krsna

 

Respected Suresh ji

 

I have been following your mail and the replies. I fully understand

you confusion. Please don't lose your faith in Sri Krishna. Give

your thought or desire some time. If your faith and devotion is

strong and it doesn't deplete with time and surroundings and

circumstances Sri Krishna will show you some way out. In the

meantime completely surrender to Sri Krishna. He will take care of

your problem.As Sri Krishna states in the BG 9:22 " Ananyas

cintayanto maam ye.....yoga-ksemam vahamy aham "

 

Hare Krsna

" srivally k "

 

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Hari Om

 

Sharmaji ! Did you observe what Mike told ? " I don't judge " ! How

can you judge creation made by our Great Father ? After all we are

His children only - nothing more! Consider the " certainty " flowing

out of Mike's expression and experience! I told you before that you

are " pure " (open) hearted person ! This is how spiritual

reconciliations take place- notwithstanding

culture/caste/colour/country/civilisation etc !!! That is where Holy

Gitaji and Saints like Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj shine like Polar

Star!

 

" My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this! "

 

That is real " advice " ! That is what is " warranted " !! You can't

be " Judge " in this world made by Paramatma !! That is " Satsanga " !

That is " nectar " ! That is " Divine " ! This is " Mantra " ! This

is " guidance " ! Believe me on that ! ( I am taking this liberty of

asking you to " believe me " because you addressed the Question to me,

too )

 

That propels you to shed your " ego " ,your " intellect " ,

your 'mind, " .your " " mamata " (mineness) , your " likings " ( Raag) and

your " dislikings " (Dvesha) !.That requires you to get rid of

your " antahkarana " - by not acknowledging the same to be " yours " !

 

That makes you subdued too. That also makes you a child. That is

reality. That is " SAT " within the meaning of Gitaji.

 

That is " viveka " (Conscience), my Dear Sharmaji !

 

This is " Geeta Talk Group " ! Most certainly this is " Humanity " !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Dear Sharmaji,

 

I don't see why you have to go any where.

If you are comfortable in the place you have lived all these years,

just stay there. If not, just find a surrounding you are comfortable

with.

You already love Gita Ji and also have been deeply influenced by

the books of a particular Swami. You have Internet, pretty much

wherever you are. Just translate sections of the book you like

to English. If it is already in English, re-write in your words.

Share your insight with others, who may be interested.

That is one way to spread your learning among others who may not

have thought of such things, but not averse to it.

Even if you can spread it to one other individual, that is plenty.

You can also share on the Internet. Start a blog site to

post your insights.You are all ready in parama-satsangh.

Joyfully participate in life- you can only do it, when you have

internally withdrawn.

 

 

Enjoy

 

KST

Koti Sreekrishna

 

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Dear Suresh Sharmaji, Let us follow the Lord in doing good karma and

you can think of joining us . --Prem

 

 

Prem Kumar Khullar

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Dear Shashikala bahan,

 

Et tu Brutus.

______________

 

Dear Sadhna Karigar ji,

 

Much help indeed.

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Dear Mike,

 

Your affection has wrapped me from all sides. (Manas : ab mohi bha

bharos

Hanumanta / Binu harikripa milahi nahi santa - Now, I am convinced

Hanuman that

without God’s grace, we cannot even meet the saints)

__________________

 

Dear Pratap Bhatt ji,

 

Your words have opened my eyes, and they make me sad also, though I

know the

truth of ‘shubhashubh prityagi’

-------------------------

Dear Baiya Sathyanarayan,

 

Your words are like torch to me. I can now see the path more clearly.

--------------------------

Dear Raj Kumar ji,

 

You make my heart weep and my eyes damp, out of sheer happiness.

This forum has

really helped me. Krishna’s grace †" unbounded and all around.

________________________

 

Dear Capt Johann Samuhanand,

 

Much grateful for the kind words and guidance, easy to practise.

 

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Dear Bandook Singh ji,

 

I will continue my duties towards all †" vasudhaiv kutumbkam.

 

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Dear Vyas ji,

 

Bura jo dekhan mai gaya, bura na milya koi

Jo ghat dekha aapna, mujhse bura no koi.

 

Once again thank you all for your valuable guidance and making me

see the light in right perspective. I will continue my job and

remain with the family - reading scriptures, attending satsang,

meeting saints and leading a life in a yagyamaya manner.

 

Kindest regards,

Suresh C Sharma

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Dear Sadhak,

The situations you just described are excellent circumstances for

God realization-

1. Free from reponsibilies

2. Free from worldly attachments

3. Considering yr self total failure means no dependency on yr own

strength

 

So instead of putting yr self in Golden Cage(due to attachment to

satvik guna) you should completely surrender yr self to God and be

free(jeevanmukta)

In my opinion you should insist on Paramatma Prapti(God realization)

not on ritualistic sanyaas or good company etc.Do satsang,go and

spend time in ashram, live with realized souls, but always look

inside, and know that I am God's and only God is mine. Knowledge,

devotion and liberation all will come with this knowing only.

 

With lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Sureshji,

 

Your predicament was summed up so well by a comment made by Jeshua

the

Nazarene, " a prophet is not without honor except in his own country

and in his own house " . I just recently made a comment on send to

entire group at another time)

Your country is the World of the Spirit, I have gone through the very

things you have gone through believe you me, I too live in the World

of the Spirit, we dwell in the same land, not Geographically you

understand.

Did not Sri Ramakrishna Paramahams, say God is closer than your skin,

if the good Swami was correct, you do not have to go anywhere to find

'The Beloved', I sure you know 'He' dwells in your heart.

It took me years to come to terms with things like Christmas, I

saw/see it as a time of gluttony and excess, built on a fable,

borrowing from the Pagans,(no disrespect to the Pagans intended).

I had to detach or go mad, but also honor the good things that happen

,like decent organizations that give the poor and destitute a decent

feed at that time, and we by presents that can be distributed to the

poor.

My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this!

Of course the family know me as an oddball, but also they know me as

one without hate, one who will help when there is need.

I have been blessed with so much Divine Love, I have met so many,

many, Great Souls, what a Divine forum this is, is it not?

In passing I am retired but am a very busy person.

 

With Respect and Divine Love,

 

Mike Keenor

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Sureshji, I read your respectful responses to

sadhakas who attempted to answer your question on retirement and

sanyas. My experience tells me that if you have so many reasons to

retire and take sanyas, chances are it will not work for you,

particularly when these reasons are: you don't like situation and/or

behavior of people around you.It sounds like you may be forcing it

upon you(I may be wrong). I am not saying they(spouse/children) are

right in their own rights, but to think " they are wrong and

therefore, you have nothing to do with them " may be the the wrong

thinking as I see it. When one doesn't have any reasons, but only

happiness/love in whatever and wherever one is placed(not where one

places oneself), then, by all means, retirement and sanyas will work

better for one. We generally try to do or undo things to be happy

which, at best, works for short time and we are already looking for

something else to do or undo out of boredom.When we are already

happy and loving, then we do or undo things as if we are playing to

celebrate the life, because we are not looking to get anything which

will make us happy, we just are!I have learnt from life never to

possess another human being be that person your spouse, children,

friends, siblings, parents or whoever. Sometimes we possess by

making someone guilty or self pitying ourselves in front of them or

demands on them, or all such subtle tricks. One's sincerity and

honesty with oneself and above all love for truth will show the next

step. Namaskar

Pratap Bhatt

-------------------------

 

Dear Sadak,Bagavan said, " Loka Sheman Vahamiyam " . Means HE takes

care of the whole creation. So dont worry who will teach your

grandchildren. Your time is running out. Only you have to put your

effort which only will work out. Mostly seekers left homes and

stayed amidst nature to avoid social obligations such as marriages

etc. Even saints living with family were also remained detached and

so they were called excentric.This birth balance time can be

untilised purposefully in Sat Sangh, Bajans, Namasankeethan Etc.

Control all emotions, aviod being slave to toung (taste and talk),

see only God`s statue, walk only to temples, your free time spend in

meditation.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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My respectable Sharma ji,

 

I am a 44 year old Police officer in Delhi Police and for at least

20 years of my life I had been privileged to attend the Satsangas of

Swami Ramsukhdasji alongwith reading of his books (particularly the

book " Geeta Probodhini " , which influenced my life, greatly).

Sharmaji, for the last few years I have also been going through the

same social situations as has been described by you and the same

thoughts also come to my mind. I have tried my best to search for

the so called " serenity under a Banyan Tree " but found it no where.

My dear elder brother, we should not forget that we have some basic

needs in our life to be taken care of, so long as we are (rather we

have to) dragging the loathsome weight of this body and for that

very purpose we need society, which I donot think, is wrong. With

the increase of age, our medical needs also increase, which cannot

be avoided.

 

Now comes the burning question, then " Where to Go " ? My dear

brother, with all my sincerety, honesty and experience ( whaterver I

have gained by the grace of my Gurudev) I very truly and whole-

heartedly request you to please take refuge in ATMA. This is the

only place I have found to be most secluded and Serene. When you

are established in your realself, ATMA and when you have made

Brahmakar Vritti, you will find real great bliss, satisfaction and

the most Serene Place in your life, no matter where you are sitting,

whether in a birthday party or marriage party etc. Sir, as and when

you try to run away from these places, I am sorry to say, you

unknowingly create another bindings of Raga and Dwesha, which simply

add another hurdle in your way to attain real and eternal tranqality

in your life which you can attain even while sitting in your office

or at home.

 

Gaining Brahmakar Vritti is neither easy nor difficult. All it

depends on our sincerity. Try this-- throw away all intelligence

you have gained throughout your life, feel like an innocent child

and surrender yourself to God. Cry and cry desperately for him like

an innocent stubborn child. Feel yourself like Arjuna and listen

Him preeching Geeta. (Geeta Probodhini is best) Believe me, He

will come to your rescue and make the way.

 

If ever in Rishikesh, I can suggest satsang opportunity.

Ram Ram

 

Raj Kumar

 

Dear Sharmaji,

I read with interest your post and reply by friends.You say your

family responsibilities are over. But from what you write about your

son,daughter and wife that you are deeply involved in their views and

way of life though they are adults.Your main problem is trying to

control their way of life to yours and just because they as adults

donot agree with your way of life, you tend to blame them and also

your way of bringing up. You think you failed somewhere. You are

absolutely wrong in your view.Your wife and children have been

magnanimous in not enforcing their view or way of life on you . You

want to go on world tour or Indian tour of theertha places, i am sure

your family will allow it. do that and you will understand what is

GEETHA OR DHARMA.

With kind regards.

captain Johann samuhanand

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

Bhaiyya Sharmaji ! Very good Jee !! Bhabhiji should not eat

Golgappes because you don't like Golgappes !! Excellent Jee! Wahe

Guru! She should become like a " Gandhari " – is it? If children get

happy by birthday gifts, you feel they are becoming greedy !

Superlative Jee !! Why will they learn that as they become happy by

taking, there is someone becoming happy by giving also ? You don't

like what your son is doing ( Cellphone/ TV addiction) , good –

understandable ! But then what is objection to you , if he does not

like your watching News on TV ? Whatever " I LIKE SHOULD HAPPEN " –

Is that what you are suggesting, My Dear Bhaiyya ?? What is wrong

with Bhabhiji and kids if they expect you to behave in accordance

with their wish, particularly when you yourself have same

attitude ?. Hence they are in complete tandem with you !! Bolo

Jee !! Boliye Sir !

 

Your complaint is that Mrs Sharma is a great supporter of Son.

Anything wrong there? Are you not a supporter of your son? Who

doesnot support Sons/Daughters? If she is supporting a wrong

conduct , according to you, then it is her dereliction of duties.

Why you should transfer yourself under a banyan tree? If your

nephews etc do not approve of your Gita ways of living, then you

should take sanyaas? Which way is this Bhaiyyaji? Bolo ! " GITA WAY

OF LIVING " !! Approval of nephews/nieces is necessary for you? They

told you honestly that they are too young. Remember your being at

that age!

 

" Rajasic/Tamasic Creepers " !! These are the words you used for God's

children !! Pray to night before the God and say sorry to God –

don't forget to do that !! On one hand, you have registered your

house in the name of my Bhabhiji ( What a great love and

affection) , on the other hand you cannot even tolerate a sight of

her peacefully taking bites of delicious golgappes- which kind of

SAMATA ( EQUANIMITY) is this? Is not clearly a love / mineness

hidden beneath the outer layer of hate? Former is RAAG as per Gita.

Latter is DVESHA as per Gita ! Under which banyan tree you will find

practical situations like this to become EQUANIMOUS?

 

She is working in a bank. She does not need your Retirement cheque.

OK ! Now don't leave the job. Don't make them happy. Say You are not

retiring, Jee ! BECOME " Viviktadeshasevitvam " ( referred by you)

while remaining at home only. Become also " Asaktaranbhishvangam

putra daar griha dishu " ( Referred in previous sloka of BG 13).

Start accumulating money EXCLUSIVELY FOR YOURSELF AND ONLY FOR

YOURSELF_ for next 4/5 years. Don't even give an air of your current

pay cheques. Talk sweetly ! Try to throw bitterness from your

conduct. Inside your heart, there should not be an anger in you for

them, nor an ego in you as to how they will manage, nor a worry in

you, nor an impetuosity in you to know their reactions. Nor should

there be any outer proclamation of revolutionary conduct by you.

NOTHING in front. Let them ignore you. Let them drive their own

lives. When they demand anything from you, then take a call. There

you should think- CAN I DO AND SHOULD I DO ?

 

Keep in touch Jee !

 

Namaste Jee

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sharmaji Your problem is that you are too good a person but

you are taking care of your family in an obliging manner. Now

that the children have grown up and they have started reflecting

upon in their own way- you still desire an attention by them

towards you. You feel the family should circle around your wishes,

tantrums, and thoughts. Come what may- it will not happen. It is not

correct for you to so expect. Spiritualism arises from within-

Sharmaji ! It can not be inflicted by an injection in the

youngsters. Ladies across the globe are like that only. At least

yours is earning and then eating Pani puri. God may create

circumstances in which instead of pani puri ,the very you get

eaten. There is nothing unusual emanating out of your narration

which can drive you to take sanyaas . Dont give much attention to

them. Concentrate on yourself. All are good. All are of God only.

This world has been made in such a manner that it in the end imparts

sorrow only. Hence dont think of going anywhere merely because your

beloveds are not behaving as you like them to do. It is injustice.

Ignore them. Pay attention to your duties and not to the duties of

others.

 

Regards Bandook Singh

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Hari Om

 

My Dear Sharmaji ! Thanks for honest expressions. You indeed have a

pure heart. But Facts as they appear to me are that ONLY you are at

fault- I seek your forgiveness. That every soul is self

centered /selfish is not something which is a new revelation. That

nobody except Paramatma is you/yours/for you is crystal clear to

you, me and all. PROBLEM WITH ALL OF US IS THAT WE KNOW BUT WE DON'T

ACCEPT TILL WE GET SHOCKS ! We know that this body, world, kith and

kin are not ours but still we complain that they don't listen to

words of wisdom. Now what is special about it? It is so ab initio.

But going under some banyan tree is not the answer to your emotional

confusions and complaints. Bitterness, complaint,

frustration,dejection,helplessness, rejection of present status,

expectations of a better conduct from your beloveds, feeling of self

worthlessness , likings , dislikings, cold anger, desire, all of

them are existing inside you and you only. Will your mind not emit

those emotions under a banyan tree? Will the memories not haunt you

there? Believe me – they will !

 

Now what to do ? Consider if you are so insistent on the following.

1. Don't leave the job 2. Take a small house nearby your existing

house on rent and shift there- all alone.3. Stop spending a penny on

any one except on yourself. 4. If kith and kin come to you, tell

them with folded hands --, " Thanks. Now I shall concentrate on

myself.I have a lot to do for myself. Please don't worry about me. I

shall take care of myself. Please be happy. God Bless you, all " .

Then start your sadhana as a " Bhakti Yogi " . ( My earlier suggestion

was reg Karma Yoga).

 

Start concentrating on " self " . Start eliminating- as Shashikalaji

told you- " Raag " ( Likings) and " Dvesha " ( Dislikings) from your

conduct. Your real enemies are Raag and Dvesha. Try to put "

Equanimity " in your conduct. What is the problem to you if Mrs

Sharma likes " golgappes " ? According to you she should eat only what

you want her to eat – Is it? This is example of Raag/Dvesha ! You

have to conquer this. No you cant make youngsters behave as you want

them to behave. YOU CANNOT ! Can you control your own mind and body?

No !

 

You need a lot to do with your own reference!

 

Believe in what Swamiji says in Sadhak Sanjeevani or Sadhan Sudha

Sindhu. Believe that nothing is yours. Believe that " I am of God

and ONLY God is mine. " Never give up your job – else there is a

danger that you shall lose both ends. " DUVIDHA MAIN DONO GAYE ,

MAYA MILI NA RAAM " ( In dilemma, I lost both. World as well as

God) ! Start implementing Swamiji's teachings. You have reached to

present state of " Vairagya " ( Dispassion) only because you served

in the past your wife and children. SERVICE DESTROYS MINENESS- it is

a principle given for benefit of entire humanity by Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. Live such dozens and dozens of laws/principles

stated by Taat Shree in His books/discourses/messages etc.

Concentrate more on that !!

 

There are other methods also. Keep writing/reading. You are in a

right, divine forum.

 

Your kith and kin shall ignore you only so long as you consider them

to be " yours " . The moment you really believe that they are not

yours, they will become " Godly " for you ! Try this !! All dirt is

there in " mineness " only.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas NB

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Respected All,

 

I am greatful for the guidance.

 

Dear Sadhna Karigar ji, very sensible indeed. My problem is that I am

a total failure or misfit in the society. I do not attend the

marriage parties where lot of noisy filmy songs and DJ dances etc.

make me sick even if I keep safe distance. I do not attend birthday

parties because the children celebrating the birthdays are more

interested in the gifts they get " we the gift-givers turn

them into greedy beings. I do not approve of my only son's obsession

with learning modern filmy dance and his addition to cell phone and

TV (he does not like even my watching the news channel) " I am a

total failure as a father for no fault of mine. I cannot take my

wife for outings because she is fond of eating " golgappe " etc and

above all she is a great supporter of her son's activities basically

completely spoiling him from spiritual point of view and making him

into a socially clever fellow. My daughter is in the job and

interested in getting materialistically rich just like any other

young lady. My nephews and niece do not approve of my Gita's way of

life, they say they are too young for these boring things. No one in

my family circle is interested in Swamiji's literature, but in Shani

Mandir and tantrik puja etc. I have realized to the core of my

heart that I cannot change or influence anyone in my family for their

real betterment. Wife and son are feeling happy at my idea of

premature retirement as they will get a few more lakhs of rupees.

Wife works in a bank. I am not finding fault with anyone, but that

is their " prarabdha " . Should I continue to be in the family to

nourish the " rajsik and tamsik " creepers (though all this

is " vasudevam sarvamiti " )? It would be a pleasure should I

become manure for any " satvik " plant.

 

Gita also teaches - Viviktadeshsevitvam, aratirjansansadi (dwelling

in a secluded place and lack of desire to be in the crowd) supports

my decision to seek sanyas. Though I want to be in the company of

the saints " bodhyantah parasparam " .

 

Dear Prem Khullar ji, while I agree with you fully, and by seeking

retirement and entering into the Sanyas, I am sure I can better

serve God's needy creatures with more freedom and time. I have been

studying and conserving birds and their habitats in Haryana since

1976 ˜sarvabhoot hite ratah " .

 

Dear N K Srinivasan ji, nice suggestion. I want to have regular and

continuous ˜darshanâ " of saints ˜gyan vigyan astikyam "

 

Shashikala bahan, I am a complete failure in family life and will be

a big failure if I persist in my meaningless social efforts. I am

reading the scriptures in general and Sadhak Sanjivani / Sadhak

Sudha Sindhu in particular. Your arguments are faultless, yet I want

to run away from the consumerist society and want to lead a perfect

peaceful natural life under some banyan tree in an ashram. Your

˜bhabhi " is interested in money and will be happy to get my post-

retirement cash and monthly pension; I have already registered the

house in her name. For myself, I do not need much and out of my Rs

15000 plus monthly pension, I just need one fifth of it at the most.

I do not think in this modern society my family members, present

and/or would be, will be interested in a ˜yagyaacharatah karma " Let

them be in their fool's paradise (if I can use the term of Henry

David Thoreau).

 

Dear Mahalaksmi Dasi ji, I appreciate your optimism. But I am a sort

of " sarvaarambh prityagi " .

 

Dear Hari Shanker Deo, I am seeking company of spiritual people and

something within me says " get out of this dirty consumerist social

life " .

 

Dear Vineet Sarvottam ji, Is there some Ashram in Churu also? Yes,

you are right. I recall Kabir's vani ˜rahna nahi, desh begana hai "

 

Dear Vyas ji, I am indeed indebted to you for detailed guidance,

practical and yet spiritual.

 

Still, I am a little confused.

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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Sir,

You must develop faith on our scriptures and establish firm

relationship with Gita itself can give you guidance on where to go,

what to do etc. Me too is 53 by age but I never feel my age because

I am engaged in service. Never worry about future or my past. We

must live in present. We are never free from responsibilities. Our

main duty is to know and serve. The more we know the more we serve.

Offer our service to the Lord while doing and we must leave it. Take

up the next till the Central Government terms end. We never end our

karma till the time of our departure from here. So that do not think

about a retirement from central government job. Still you can get

engaged in Gita service and the service with the Lord if you change

your attitude, not your situation. You have no control over the

situation only control is to develop over your mind.

Love, krishna das.

 

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If at some point in time when you are closer to a decision, you can

help us to help the needy children for their education, health and

mind.

 

Padmanabhan Sundaram

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhak,

Swamiji Ramsukhdasji, never encouraged such things as like taking

early retirement , he never asked anyone to leave the job and take

sanyaas (as far as I understand his teachings.)

yr desire could be called a Satvik desire, but no matter what desire

leads to sufferings. So Swamiji says-donot even desire for

liberation/mukti.

Only desire for God is Worth desiring.Have only one desire-

Krishna/God and He will show you the path to reach Him.

 

Yogusth kuru karmani(Do yr karma while established in Yoga)

Working or retired doesnot obstruct yr path for self

enlightenment.Start yr spiritual journey RIGHT NOW, at this very

moment, wherever you are.Donot make it a future goal.

 

Nasto Vidhyate Bhao, Nabhao vidhyate satah (Gita 2:16)

The unreal has no existence and the real has no cessation...

So nomatter where you are the Real is with you every moment and the

unreal is leaving you every moment.

 

Detachment from the unreal is sanyaas, and knowing the difference

between what is real and what is unreal is Knowledge (Gita Ch 13 &

14)

 

Accepting everything as God's is Bhakti (Vasudev Sarvam)

 

Now tell me to follow any of these paths-karma yoga, gyaan yoga or

bhakti yoga, where do you need to go ?

Nowhere/anywhere/everywhere ?

 

Kasturi Kundal basi mrig dhundhe van mahi---(the aroma is coming out

from deer's own naval but he is running in the forest to find the

source/ Krishna/God is sitting right in our heart, but we are trying

to find Him outside)

 

with lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Suresh Sharma ji,

 

WHERE TO GO ? WHERE CAN YOU GO ? NO WHERE . EVERY THING IS HERE . I

was an air force officer for 22 years. I retired 27 years back . I

am here running a 50 bed charitable hospital and various programs.

READ GITA , FOLLOW IT AND DO NOT BOTHER ABOUT THIS LIFE AND DEATH '

CHAKKAR'. It will be what ever it may be or whatever it has to be .

 

SERVE THE WORLD TO THE HILT - CEASELESSLY ,UNENDLESSLY AND FOR EVER.

LOVE

 

PREM KHULLAR

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Dear Sharmaji,

After retirement,I would suggest that you visit several pilgrim

centres and sacred temples,like a Parivrajika, with a few items with

you.Asmall suitcase and a bag.By such visits, your mind will be

purified and also you will learn more about our poeple ,their forms

of devotion and thier simple,humble ways.The railway tickets are

quite low and you need not sppend much.After say two or three years

of religious wandering or pilgrimages, you can select a place or

ashram or suitable palce to stay...This I learnt after my own

wanderings after the age of sixty.You are much younger and should be

easy for you.You will learn more about Bharat,our motherland after

that.

Regards,

In Shirdi Sai Smaran,

N K Srinivasan

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Jai Hanuman

 

No Bhaiyya Sharmaji. This " more or less over " with reference

to " duties " of marital life is not acceptable. Nor did I like your

last words - " where to go " !!

 

But your gesture/sentiment/approach is laudable- no questions about

the same!

 

WHERE TO GO ? - No where Dear. Remain where ever you are. Start now

a new life with no outer change. Concentrate on removing " Raag " (

Likings) and " Dvesha " (Dislikings) from your mind / intellect/

thoughts /psyche /person ! They are roots of your worldly stays of

past, present and future!

Read Scriptures/ Swamiji in spare time. Think about the soul, your

role in this Divine Lila !

 

By the way who are you to decide whether you should work or not? Did

you check up with Bhabhiji ( Mrs Sharma) ? Do as she says. No

arguments on this.

 

Have you planned adequately for your old age ? Who will instil God

in grand children? Who will guide them to righteousness? Who will

create cultural base for them and for the family ? Who will set

examples of selfless conduct? Who will make them better humans? Only

grand parents can do that- not the parents!

 

No Running away Bhaiyya! Stay put !! There are lot of things to do !

We will discuss if you actively participate !

 

Ever thought what should be your goal for balance life? It should

be " O God- I should not be coming back again in this world in any

type of body- unless you sponsor me as your representative for your

work. I should be free forever from this circle of birth and death " .

Think on these lines. Get rid of all worldly

attachments/connections/mineness by continuously and selflessly

serving all people around you with all the things you have - without

expecting anything from them in return In dreams even do not

visualise a situation where you get dependent over any worldly

body/thing. You get retired without actually retiring merely by

relinquishing dependence over the same ! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !!

 

Get free! Feel free ! Dream Free ! Seek freedom ! Remaining where

ever you are ! There is no need to go anywhere ! Make your home

itself a temple. Love all . See God in all. Don't establish

any " new " connection/relationship/attachment with any body/thing-

for getting anything worldly out of them. Concentrate on self and on

conscience.

 

KABIRA KHADA BAJAAR MAIN SABKI MAANGE KHAIR !

 

NA KAHOO SE DOSTI NA KAHOO SE VAIR !!

 

Says Saint Kabir - I am standing in this market (worldly life)

wishing good for all and sundry. I have neither any friends (

likings- Raag) nor any enemies (dislikings- Dvesha) !

 

That is real sanyaas ! My Dear Brother ! That is real retirement !

Not leaving or not leaving the Government Service !!

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

 

 

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My dandavat pranams to all in this fourm......responsibilities have

kept me so busy that I have neglected this beautiful forum, sadly.

In regard to this sacred question....what to do when one is

encountering the need to absorb oneself in spiritual practices for

oneself and others. I know that this is not exactly how the

question was worded, but truly, it is what I heard....because you

have come to the point of saying, " Where do I go from here " .....

indeed, age is not truly the criterion for one being ready to absorb

oneself in full devotion.....it is a point where one finally

accepts, " I have no business in this world save and except to live

for bhajan, for glorifying the lord, for providing knowledge of Gita

to others. "

 

I have accepted Los Angeles as my place to execute this

activity.....it is where the Lord has put me. Pray for guidance,

and it will come....Los Angeles has many, many groups of sadhaks, as

well as a very high level of vegetarian communities, vegan, raw,

east Indian, etc......and there are so so many people to give some

time and energy to as far as speaking on Bhagavat dharma. But than,

almost any city in the world these days, is needing Hari Katha to

purify the atmosphere.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

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Stay where you are. Seek a genuine Guru/Guru within. He will lead

you towards the right path. Meditate and seek the company of

spiritual people.

Hari Shanker Deo

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Shri Sureshji, This is the same question that I had asked Swamiji

fourteen years back, while considering retirement - (should I go to

Rushikul, or Churu, or Rishikesh, or Gorakhpur), then his reply is

something that is useful to you - " Brother, wherever you are, remain

there as is, always " longing and desiring " , then your work will be

done. Because that Paramatma which you think about attaining in

Gorakhpur, or Rishikesh etc. that very same Paramatma wholly and

entirely is at this very moment close to you, now and at all

times. What more, you yourself are wise and patient, but when it

comes to relationship with Paramatma, the impatience (that intense

longing) works ! Very well!

 

Vineet Sarvottam

 

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Hari Om

 

Dear Shri Sharmaji

 

At the outset welcome! Great things in life don't wait for any

retirement. No outside activity can accelerate your turning towards

the ultimate. If your family has slightest of the need for your

continuing doing the Govt Job - Please unhesitantly continue doing

that. Swamiji always advocated " 24 x 7 " work. Consider after having

fulfilled your responsibilities at this age of 53 ( I am also 53 and

have done all that is necessary for my family responsibilities,

married both daughters, a son and another son is ready for marriage,

all well settled- only difference is I am employed in private

sector) as to whether whatever you earn honourably and justfully out

of your employment- you should use them for welfare and benefit of

1. Those for whom you still have mineness/attachment (including your

body)- with a special sentiment always awakened in you inside that "

they are not you/yours/for you " 2 Those for whom you have no

mineness/attachment.

 

That is one way you can plan. Check up with your better half if she

wants you to continue working. If she says even " may be " or " as you

think fit " - work! Work so that you may never seek economic

dependence upon anyone for rest of your life. Work so that you may

be of help to category 2 people ( stated in preceding paragraph)!

Work in government without accepting anything extra. Live there like

a lotus in water. You can. You should. Work so that you may see God

whereever you get engaged in.

 

Ensure that today you don't need anybody for anything pertaining to

your balance stay in this world. If you feel some are dependent upon

you( say wife)- serve them with double intensity and speed.

 

But keep a thought burning inside you - " I am of God, Only God is

mine, nothing else is mine " . Don't expect anything from anybody-

even from God. Keep utilising whatever you have for benefit and

welfare of whoever comes in touch with you - if you can and if you

should.

 

All extra time in your life should be utilised in reading Swamiji's

books, Gita, Ramayana, listening to Swamiji's pravachans, singing

bhajans, doing keertans and remaining in good company always.

 

This is one way. Another totally different way - next time.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

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Great idea!!!!!

I have been doing the same because I have also been influenced very

deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. We might be able to do share some

thoughts on some projects

 

Satya Kalra

 

 

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Respected Vyasji and others,

 

I am 53 and may seek premature retirement from my central govt

service. Married and family responsibilities are more or less over.

 

I want to spend my post-retirement life in the company of Gita

scholars/students/lovers. I have been influenced deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj.

 

Can you kindly guide me where to go?

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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NEW POSTING

 

Hari Om

 

Regarding females taking sanyaas/ stepping out of the home - Swamiji

does not clearly to that. Undoubtedly, he does not like

that. Matter ends there. Mira Dassji has precisely brought out a

comprehensive reply. Nothing more can be added.

 

Reg Males - let me clarify that I have narrated what exactly I would

do. In fact, it is not sanyaas, it is retirement - a vaanprashtha

type of state - for household between 50 and 75 years of age.

 

In that age ideally one should be going for a sadhana to eliminate

ego and mineness slowly, definitely and totally. That can be only

by " service " . A household considering retirement then must always

be " accessible " because his intention is not to give pains, worries

and uncertainty to his family members, parents or wife. He does not

hate them or reject them. There is no bitterness in him. Rather

there is a preparation in him to consider all of them as Vasudevah.

VASUDEVAH SARVAM.

 

He seeks higher sadhana without causing any hurt to them. He always

remains ready and helpful to them in all circumstances. He knows for

sure that " any selfless service destroys mineness. " Hence his

accessibilty does not strengthen mineness. It destroys the mineness-

because his " bhava " or intention is to serve to them and to all and

sundry always- without expecting anything in return. Before

leaving , he has already served them considerably and

wholeheartedly..

 

Further remaining " accessible " provides him and all his family

members peace, harmony and respect. It is a conscious effort for

withdrawal and betterment. His total handing over to them or to his

wife of his worldly possessions and continuous availabilty of his

body for them makes his service to them- total and complete.

 

Any one who simply elopes is not taking retirement. He is taking

sanyaas. The rules of sanyaas are very strict. The punishment for

errors are very serious. There is no need to do that in today's

world. It may hurt those who remain behind and you lose

opportunities of continuous service to them and seeing God in them .

Rules do not provide for your return- come what may. Their memories

may haunt you and snatch away your peace. Where is the need for such

risky course?

 

A retired life, with a peaceful and satisfied household , is only

ideal. It is an option to be taken only by that person who has

destroyed already considerable mineness by serving family members

and thereby peace has arisen in him and a satisfaction generated

independence has arisen in his immediate family members.. Else he

must remain in house and keep serving, serving and serving immediate

family members, parents, wife, elders, children till he develops

peaceful dispassion.

 

Between the age of 50 and 75 this course is logical. If both parents

or any one of them is still alive, you may take them with you to

your native place and whole heartedly serve them- as you serve God.

Old people normally like to remain in their native places. The dust

of native place is dear to all. Your wife can also if she so wants

remain with you and live a contented pious sadhana life. She can

spent as much time as she wants with her children and with you as

and when she wills. Then service to cow. Then to society at large,

to the elders, to suhasinis ( sisters , daughters from various

relations ) - all expectationless service. You will keep becoming

more and more peaceful, more and more devotional, more and more

lover of God. All this- without any past memories haunting you ! You

can focus on total elimination of vices from your conduct- mind,

speech and body in a peaceful manner. I would arrange for my own

sustenance before I retire. Question of remaining dependent on any

one for anything does not arise. If I don't have that provision, I

would strive first to do that arrangement- financials etc.

 

Service destroys mamata (mineness) - it is a law. If You have

destroyed " mineness " fully , you instantly become egoless - it is a

law. A Karma Yogi does that. He destroys mamata first. Ego then

eliminates automatically. If you have destroyed ego fully, you

instantly become " mamtaless " ( mineless)- it is a law. A Jnana Yogi

does that. He destroys ego (me) first. His " mamata " (mine) then gets

destroyed automatically. In Bhakti Yoga God Himself destroys your

mamata and ego. You become free always.

 

As simple as that!

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Sadaks,

 

Ref: Prepetina Gonsalves. Woman are said to be behind every

successful man. That is because their love and tendering care gives

man strong power. Besides woman such as Sant Sakubai, Meera Bai,

Sant Anusuya, Sati Savitri and many more did what man saints never

did. They could stop revolution of earth, they saw Yama and got life

back, Sakubai rose from death, Meera` s poision Sri Krishna drank,

for Padmavati wife of sant Jai Dev who wrote Geetha Govind, God

Jaganath appeared first to Padmavathi. Why, my wife S.Danalakshme

aged 59 has little rheumatic complaints and sicknesses. In spite of

that she prepared food for Sri Krishna limping with pain, cleans the

pooja room with great difficulty, garlands Sri Krishna neatly and

patiently. But she does much little meditation than me. But God

approves her love more than mine several folds. We are in Chennai.

She predicts things that happens. She told me about Tusnami 2 days

earlier. So woman can be much Godlier than men.

 

Even many Sanyasins had Ego and mineness. These can be eradicated by

constant sadana only and God` s blessings. Sant Ekanath has said,

To day is your gift my Bagavan, tomorrow I do not know what, my day

ends tomorrow nothing (my family, wealth, people around, all the

mine and myself) comes with me. Oh Bagavan you will only come that

last breath, I know. This one should remember most of the day, then

mine will disappear.

 

Sanyasin Dharma says Upanashids, that once Sanyas taken, a mistake

even by mind done, there is NO prayachit (No excuse)

 

Jai Sri Krishna

 

baiya sathyanarayan

 

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My dear elder brother Sharma ji,

 

Hari Om,

 

If ever in Rishikesh I suggest wonderful satsang opportunity.

Hari Om.

Raj Kumar

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Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Pujya Swamiji's messages in the last year, more clearly in the last

month were " Wherever you are, there Paramatma IS " .. there is no need

to go anywhere.

 

He specifically did not recommend females to leave their household

for spiritual pursuits. Meera Das Ram Ram

 

Attached is an old sadhak message posting when someone asked him

this question (even though more focused on younger females, it is

equally applicable) -

 

Question: Girls are leaving their home for pursuing a spiritual

path. They are not wanting to get married. Swamiji, what is your

opinion regarding this?

 

Swamiji: If you get true association it is OK, but in this day and

age I have not seen such true associations (satsang). They should

therefore stay at home and do satsang. These days I do not encourage

women to not get married, because they are not able to get true,

good spiritual associations.

 

Question: What should they do, stay at home and do their spiritual

practices?

Swamiji: Yes they can stay at home (parent's home, brother's home)

and do satsang. I am unable to see associations that are true. In

this day and age, it is very difficult to find. If you have true and

ardent desire for God, going outside to some ashram, some spiritual

place to attain spiritual enlightenment, is an impossible task. Stay

at home, with parents, with brother, under their shelter, then it is

possible. One has to decide for them selves, but for females this is

very difficult in this day and age. Unfortunatly, it is even

difficult of males as well. True good associations are simply not

available in these times. If there is a deep longing within, many

good spiritual practices are available to attain one's salvation.

One must meet a good supporting spouse. Having the aim, " I want to

attain my salvation, " that is the key. This single pointed aim is

more important than anything else. It is only possible if the

determination is strong. I tell these things with great vigor and

force, but people are simply not paying attention.

 

In this day and age, without getting married, females cannot easily

remain safe from the world. By having an ardent desire for God, they

can attain God Realization by being at home. In fact, with great

ease one can realize God. Become ready ! Become alert !

 

When your direction is not clear, when your aim is not clear, how

can God Realization be possible? With a true heart you are not

desiring God. Even among those that are here, there are only a

handful that I see that have a true desire for God. It requires a

conviction such as - " even if I die I will not commit sin. "

 

True spiritual guides are simply not seen these days. Very few are

there, that are telling the true essence. If you take complete

refuge in God, He will guide you. There will be no obstacles.

 

From Discourse by Swami Ramsukhdasji in Hindi on Aug 28, 2000 at 8:30

am

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Dear Sadhaks

 

I read with interest the deliberations on this Satsanga web site. I

genuinely feel this is one of the best satsanga forum. I have

questions on this retirement issue. What about females? Can they

also consider retirement from home and go to some ashram or secluded

place and pursue spiritual goals? It is not that males only are

sufferers. Females too tolerate injustices and domination. What are

the views of Saints and Gita etc on the subject? Secondly, Mr Vyas

has charted a course with amazing clarity on the subject of

retirement. My question is why " accessible " ? How " mineness " can get

eradicated when you are accessible to your family? How at the end

you get egoless/minenessless? Does Sanyaas principles permit such

course of action as suggested by Mr Vyas?

 

Prepetina Gonsalves

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Hari Om

 

Of the responses in favour of retirement/sanyaas , Sadhaks should

consider response of A V Raghunath.

 

After having rendered self less service to the immediate family and

THEREBY- ONLY thereby -gaining dispassion- vairagya or finding one

self " in nothing left to be done for family " state, if at all one

has liking for retirement, then one should migrate to one's native

place. After serving family, the next in line is " society " , you owe

society a lot in fact. There you will find ample opportunities of

redeeming subtle debts and becoming totally debt free. If such a

native place is a small village/town- it is wonderful.

There one should indulge in cow service. Service to the down

trodden. Service to the elders... And slowly, slowly by rendering

selfless service lead the self to egolessness/minelessness.

 

However there are considerations of one's present state while

contemplating. It should NEVER be out of bitterness or anger or

frustration or helplessness or hatred or rejection or to teach

lesson to some one or out of the fact that you have been defeated or

self criticism or self perceived failure. NEVER. It should emerge

out of peace generating naturally in you of having lived a life of

Karma Yogi ( Household, Grihastha) for say 25/35 years and out of

the fact that by and large your house hold duties have come to an

end and you are not having any " real dependents " upon you- like old

parents or wife.

 

So long old parents are alive, if there are capable brothers, and

parents give consent, then it is another matter but otherwise, the

real God is in their feet only.

 

As regards better half, an option and always guilt free option

should be made honourably available to her. Live with your children

if you want, live with me the way I do or live alone in the home if

you like and are comfortable - do whenever you want whatever out of

the three options. Handover every worldly possession to her

gracefully , as a matter of duty and live your life with bare

minimum ( out of a portion of say pension or some fixed income) .

Total freedom should be given ti her respectfully with access of

yourself always available to her- unconditionally - till you breath

your last.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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PRIOR POSTING

 

 

Shree Hari

|| Ram Ram ||

 

Dear Sureshji,

Thank you very much for sharing your personal issue so candidly. In

some form or another many of the sadhakas face similar situations.

This is a great example of journey for a sadhaka marching

from 'Vishad Yoga' towards the 'Moksha Sanyasa Yoga'. The quality,

speed and number of responses received on this topic were very

impressive, encouraging and helpful with which you seem to found the

answer. This shows the positive dynamism of the blessed Gita-talk

group. It is not surprising to see since the group was started on

holy inspiration by none other than Swamiji Maharaj.

 

Few more comments:

 

1. Generally when we talk about Sanyasa, it is leaving the world and

going to the forest but Gitaji clearly defines who is a true

Sanyasi, " a Nitya Sanyasi or ever a renunciate is the one who

neither hates nor desires (Ref: Gita 5-3, Jneyah sa nityasanyasi yon

a dvestu na kanksati …).

 

2. During our spiritual journey, we are not to become despondent

while facing adverse situations, Swamji Maharaj said that we should

stay happy in all circumstances, this in itself is a great tapas

(austerity). In the introduction to Sadhak Sanjiveeni, Swamiji says

that there is no situation or a setting in our lives which we cannot

use to help us advance in our spiritual path.

 

3. No body is to be blamed for our seemingly bad situation or the

circumstances, it is due to our own prarabhada, people on the scene

happen to be delivering what is supposed to come to us due to our

own past karmas.

 

4. The beauty of the spiritual journey is to transform our life such

as to provide us with peace, harmony, joy and stability at all of

our personality levels - physical, mental, emotional and spiritual.

With an attitude of love, understanding and cooperation all issues

can be resolved as they affect us.

 

5. Gitaji is teaching us to do our Swa-dharma (duty) at all times

keeping in view the Ashram, Varna (Caste) and situation at hand, our

duty is not to be shunned at any time (Ref: Gitaji 2/31-37). Also,

our Swadharma or duty is not to judge other as to whether they are

doing their duty.

 

6. The ideal attitude is to strive for is to have no insistence (no

Agraha), we can advise or suggest in a pleasant manner but we should

not insist or even expect that others must follow our advice. The

insistence that people should listen to us only, do what we say,

will give us nothing but pain to us and others.

 

7. The world outside of us is nothing but a projection of our mind

only. (Ref: Gitaji 7-5, jivabhatam mahabahio, yaye `dam dharyate

jagat). In a given setting, it is said that 90% is the attitude and

10% the situation. With the change in our attitude of loving,

understanding and not finding faults, we will start to radiate peace

and joy only, the others will take us as a good living example and

will consider an ideal to follow, what a great one does, other

follow. (Ref: Gita: 3-21, yad-yad acarati sesthas, tad-tad evataro

janah ….). We read examples, at hermitage of saints, even the

animals of opposite nature live together in peace.

 

Few illustrations:

 

a). Life on earth is like waiting room on a railway station, people

come there, stay together for some time and then go their own ways.

Separation is the sure thing in this world, nothing is permanent, so

why get excited about something so temporary.

 

b). Just like on the bed of the river there are sand particles, they

travel with the moving stream, some times they come together and

other times they separate. The relatives and friends have come

together to separate only in the end. We just have to pay the dues,

sometimes we receive and other times we pay back. After the account

is squared off, debt is clear, our account is closed.

 

c). Just like when the boat is in the water, water should not get in

the boat, similarly, we should live in the world but the world

should not get into us. --- Sri Ramakrishna

 

d). It does not matter which direction the ship is sailing in but

Compass always points to the north. In the same way, does not which

activity of the world we are doing, keep our mind on God. --- Sri

Ramakrishna

 

Ram Ram

Humble pranams,

Madan Kaura

 

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Priy sadhak

As you say you want to retire ! So leave everything including " what

you should do " to the God. Be a toy in hands of God, play with God

as son plays with parents. " Hoihe soi jo ram rachi rakha ko kari

tarak badave sakha Ram siya Ram siya ram jai jai ram. "

Thanx

Raja Gurdasani

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Varun ji,

 

I am indeed grateful to all of you who have lighted candles in my

dark room. The final result is that I am not seeking retirement from

my office and will continue to remain with the family.

 

When I mentioned something about my family members, my purpose was

not to judge/degrade them. It was merely that I as a hubby, as a

father, as a guardian, in my social context was feeling exhausted

like an old cow, unable to yield milk and then the owners deciding

to sell it to the butcher and get some money.

 

Now, when I am convinced that the family members like many many

others in the world are heading towards the bottomless well/pit and

are not listening to the wise counsels of the great saints then, how

long will I continue dragging myself towards the pit with them? My

possessive wife does not stop me from reading scriptures, rather she

assists me in that, but because she out of her own insecurity and

cruel possessiveness of me feels a little comfortable that " at

least, the hubby is at home " Her " God puja " consists of single point

" sakaam bhavâ " that hubby remains in her grip and so remains other

members of the family (Shashikala bahan, I AM NOT TERMING MY WIFE

IS COPPER AS IRON, BUT DO NOT EXPECT ME TO CALL HER COPPER AS GOLD).

When I use the word " creepers " for her and other members, my aim was

not " creep " but the creeping plant which wants to grow up always

seeking support, i.e., dependency on others. Let me assure my

learned readers/participants that I am nearly detached " but I love

to be with nature, eco-friendly ashrams, Gita loving people, simple

and honest persons " not because of some desire/lust, because as the

Swamiji mentions " underground water is everywhere, but our purpose

is served only by the handpump/well "

 

Life so far, in family context, has been a " Tale told by an idiot,

full of sound and fury, signifying nothing " , borrowing from

Shakespeare and its end if continued the way my wife and others want

me to go on, will be ˜not with a bang, but with a whimper " again

borrowing from T.S. Eliot.

 

I was not talking of sanyaas/retirement to become something

else " when there is lot of noise coming from the loudspeakers around

you (round the clock), the only option is either get out for some

other place or put some earplugs for ever. Nevertheless, woman is a

purgatory " no one knows better than I do.

 

I have been to the Gita Bhawan, Rishikesh several times and was

present there when the Swamiji breathed his last but detached and

aloof. If someone can please tell whom I should meet there, I will

not waste a single day and will be happy to travel to Rishikesh

again.

 

Thank you all from the core of my heart. All of you have helped me a

lot and thanks a lot to the moderator for running such a wonderful

divine group. You have not only taken me to the divine water but

have made me to drink it.

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

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Dear sadaks,

 

To seek God or liberate or to do perfect sadhana (spiritual

disciplines) if these are within our efforts, we could have been

long ago become one with Godhood. Since we are only trying but not

with complete renunciation, we are coming back here again and again.

This is our experience. Sadhaks touch your hearts and say is this

not true? Truth is always like neem leaf taste - bitter. Illusion is

like sugar.

 

Mr. Sharma question is answered in so many angles. We have dealt so

much about surrender earlier.

 

One`s Karma only Bhagavan knows as HE said to Arjuna that past,

present and future HE knows. Mr. Suresh can stay where he is, he can

surrender to God, let HIM (Bhagavan) decide where and how to be.

Then the path will be perfect. Saying things like - you should do

like this, you have to see about your grandchildren, you have to see

to your parents, and so on. The truth is ultimately what happens is

HIS will. Just surrender and be relaxed like Prahalad.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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Sanyaas is one of the four Ashramas in our scriptures. Who is to

enter it, when is he to enter it, is dependent on the dictates of

the Shastras (scriptures) – not on our conveniences and

inconveniences faced in life. It is not an escape route.

 

Shri Bhagawaan has also said:

 

Tasmaat-shaastram pramaanam te kaarya-akaarya vyavasthitau/

Gyaatvaa shaastra-vidhaan-oktam karma kartum iha-arhasi// 16:24

 

" Therefore let the scriptures be the authority in determining what

ought to be done and what ought not to be. Having known what is

prescribed in the ordinance of scriptures, you should act

accordingly in this world. " (Gita 6:24)

 

Respectful regards,

 

Dr. Ranjeet Singh.

 

 

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Hare Krishna

 

Mahalakshmiji, you have indeed hit the bull's eye. No doubt about

it. Sureshji, if your family is stopping you from walking towards

God, then just renounce it. Don't give a second thought to it. After

death of this body, only dharma and God will go with you. No one

else.

But from your posting, it doesn't seem so. It seems that they are

not stopping you but they are merely disinterested of your

inclination towards spirituality.

 

Also your reason for Sanyaas is not detachment and dispassion but

dislike. The reason for this dislike is your family is not

conducting themselves as per your expectations. If you had not

expected anything from them then you wouldn't have been so confused.

 

And also one who has expectations how can he become a sanyaasi??

Lord says " Arjuna, you must know that what they call Sanyasa is no

other than Yoga; for none becomes a Yogi, who has not abandoned His

sankalpas(thoughts of the world) " (Gita 6.2)

 

Expectation comes only after sankalpa. After clinging on a worldly

thought, a desire erupts. (Gita 2.62) Sanyaas is for those who don't

have any worldly thoughts. You have failed in HSC (renouncement of

desire) but you want to pass post-graduation (sanyaas)!! [Graduation

is to be freed from worldly thoughts.]

 

Sureshji, please don't take theka of others. Just send your family

on a vacation, on a long long vacation. You might have read this in

Swamiji's books

 

TERE BHAVE JO KARE BARO BHULO SANSAR

NARAYAN TU BAITHKE APNO BHUVAN BHUVAR

 

Sir, just chill out and engage in God. Don't worry about them. God

is more worried about them than you can imagine. Just serve them and

break your mineness. That's it.

 

If you are still confused then go to Gita-Bhawan, (Rishikesh,

Swargashram) and take wise council of those souls who have been

closely associated with Swamiji for many years. Reveal to them all

what you said here and they will guide you surely.

 

Thanks,

 

Hare Krishna

Varun P. Paprunia

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Dear Suresh Sharma,

 

RETIREMENT WITH A MISSION IS LIKE A FLOWER WITH FRAGRANCE.

 

We greatly appreciate your willingness to seek suggestions for your

retirement era. Please consider tracing your roots and adopt and

rehabilitate your ancestral village. Everyone of us must take care

of our own mother, our own mother tongue and our own mother

(ancestral) village. the great need of this time is applied Bhagavad

Gita.

 

Sincerely,

A.V.Raghunath

-

One has to go within and find the true self......

one has to practice whatever has been read and understood to

experience the true self....

Understanding is whole thing.....

 

Sushil Jain

 

 

PRIOR POSTING

Hari Om

 

Some final thoughts on the subject:

 

1 Never look out for an acknowledgement from family of what you have

done for them. It is a desire not liked by God. It hurts your

spiritual goals. A curt answer that whatever you did was your duty

will then hurt you more.

 

2 Never seek mercy from near and dears. An answer that you were

foolish enough will readily come. Self pity also doesn't make

surroundings really strong. It is contagious.

 

3 Never impose your thoughts over the family members. You will have

no answer to the counter question as to whether every soul is

independent or not.

 

AKKAL SHARIRA OOPAJE, DIYA LAAGE DAMB

 

Wisdom arises from within. If some body tries to impose it, he is

perceived as poisonous snake.

 

Don't invite disrespect for you.

 

4 Remember each soul is accumulating Karmas of their own. You have

got connected with them because of contractual karmic obligations

and the moment accounts are settled, all will part ways. It is a law.

 

5 Set examples of decent conduct irrespective of its immediate

results/reception. Children will use them when there is real need

for the same irrespective of your presence at that time.

 

6 Serve, Serve and Serve. Destroy mineness/ego/likings and

dislikings using one weapon only- expectationless service. That is

possible only when you are in your home- dealing with people who are

not " actually " yours. Once the thought comes in your mind that they

are not " yours " the service by you becomes real and divine and lifts

you spiritually. Before that it is " selfish " - arising out of

mineness and hence done for self and hence producing bondage. Lucky

are those guys who realise before serving that the servicee

is " actually " not mine.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

 

MY respects to all in this foorum....

I am noting the interest in this topic....very strong indeed!

One has to think deeply and ponder all the varieties of responses.

Let me add one more thought into the mix.....my gurudeva, A.C.

Bhaktivedanta Swami, mentioned occasionally to his disciples that

the last straw which drove him to finally take sannyas was when his

wife traded his Srimad Bhagavatam for tea. She had threatened, and

he told her, " tea, or me " ......she made the choice. So, there is

definitely a line which a sadhu must draw, of being willing to

tolerate only to a certain extent.

Are there offenses to the concepts of Guru, shastra, or sadhu in

the home? Analyze this before deciding whether it is a fit place

to reside. And then know, that purification will surely take place

once having departed.....again, another story from the life of my

guru, is that shortly after leaving for sannyas, he was gored by a

bull. I do not remember so much the story, but it is documented in

various places.....there is a biography six volumes called Srila

Prabhupada Lilamrta if you have inclination. Even one whose only

intent WAS and IS to spread bhakti, to give an opportunity to others

to learn Sanatan dharma....still....so much pain and suffering on an

external level. So, know that whatever you choose, you must come

to the level of " atmarama " finding pleasure in the self alone. This

level is very high....and to attain it, you may certainly need to

take steps to seek out exalted association....the Lord will guide

you if you sincerely cry out to Him.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

Finally a short practical event from every day life:

 

You are in a car which stops at a signal. A beggar spreads his hands

and you give say Dollar one to him. A friend sitting beside will

call that payment as " donation " . So will God.

 

You reach home and your son comes to you and seeks money. You give

him say Dollar one to him. Same friend will not call that payment as

donation. Nor will God.

 

Why?

 

Now compare these two payments. At both places you did your duty. At

both places you didn't expect money to be returned. At both places

you wanted the recepient to become happy. At both places you

renounced.

 

What was the difference between the two payments then? This is

question !

 

Answer is - To the beggar you never considered to be " mine " while

paying. But you considered your son to be " mine " while paying. What

else was the difference? This difference has changed the very karma

and its results.

 

If you give monthly expenses to your wife without considering,

inside your heart, her to be " mine " - Law of Karma will classify the

entire amount as " donation " . If not- bondage!

 

How easy ! How practical!! How Simple!!! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Hare Krishna

 

As I understand, Sanyaas should be taken only when one is completely

detached (teevra vairagya). In some cases such a soul does not

renounce world, in fact the world renounces him. Example of

Shukdevji fits the bill, whereas in case of Arjuna and Janaka etc

even after realization they did not take sanyaas. A sadhak should

make his spiritual practice in accordance with the situation he is

in. If solitude becomes must for sadhak's spiritual progress then

God will change his situation where he can do his sadhan alone.

 

Sadhak's duty is only to serve others and not to find anyone's

fault. If anyone's fault is visible then rather than hating him,

sadhak should pity him and pray to God for his welfare. The biggest

point in serving is to fulfill other's ethical wishes. He should not

force his spiritual views on worldly people, because it will prove

counter-productive. Swamiji gave discourses only to serve humanity.

He never sported attitude of " I can improve others. I am more

knowledgeable than others etc " . Whatever Swamiji gave He gave only

with the intention to serve. We should also carry the same sentiment.

 

Hare Krishna,

 

Varun P. Paprunia

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Jai Hanuman

 

 

 

Yeah ! It is Marcus Brutus " Dear Julius Ceaser !! Dear Bhaiyya !

Hope you didn't mind my arrow like response. We at GT Group are like

a family. I keep on taking such liberties. Bad habit according to my

Hubby. In fact, I had to go through a snub from my Hubby but then I

wrote what indeed I felt right. Welcome to this family. Please keep

writing and contributing. You are now a part of really selfless and

divine forum. Please keep sharing your views. In fact " Et tu Brutus "

I should also say because of your humble and genuine approach and

your capacity to appreciate such brutal attack. Hats Off to you. May

Lord Krishna be always with you. Indeed you have a heart made of

Gold. This world is sustained on the strength of people like you.

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

 

Shashikala

 

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Dear Sir,

 

Since you are still young at 53, you should devote some more years

in doing your karma by doing social work of your liking and to the

uplift of down trodden and poor people.

 

Best regards,

Sivaraman.V

 

 

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PRIOR POSTING

Jai Hanuman

 

We as humans have to face this peculiar creation made by God as an

acid test.This world is simply an examination hall for each and

every human being. Here is the world which like greggary(sweet) or

salt from which ever side or way you " consume " it is sorrowful.

(DUKHALAYAM) Biggest treachery comes from the closest people. There

is no way a permanent element can derive pleasure out of temporary

element. Now what is our role? How to go about it? How to conquer?

How to pass with distinction marks from this examination?

 

Art of Living in this world as taught by Swamiji is simple. Don't

try to change the circumstances. Change yourself. Don't judge

others. Judge yourself. Problem is that generally we judge others

and pardon ourselves. It should be reverse. Once you concentrate on

your duties and others' rights - you are on right path. But ego does

not often let us do that. We often end up talking about our rights

and others' duties. How wife should behave, how children should

behave etc etc. What we don't pay attention to is that " talking "

doesnot help. Conduct or silent example setting before the kids

helps.If you want some one to live as per Gita- the best way is to

live yourself as per Gita. At the appropriate hour the vibrations

will be caught by the children. Any hurry or insistence invariably

gets counter productive. You have no capacity to mould others as per

your wishes. That you can't do. You have capacity to mould yourself

as per wishes of others. That you can do. Where is the wisdom in

attempting what we can't do and ignoring what we can do !

 

I oppose bitterly this " mind " only because it always suggests what

we can't do. From the perspective of mind it is natural because it

exists in " nothingness " only- past/future! But from ever

existing " self " point of view- it proves fatal. Hence scriptures ask

you to drop reliance on mind.

 

Once we are on right path- what is my duty - the result in due

course is miraculous and unbelievable !!

 

What is the result ? Result is that " dukhalayam " gets converted

practically into " God " Himself (Vasudevah Sarvam) ! Once you don't

desire anything from anyone - then that anyone becomes God -as far

as you are concerned. This is something which sounds extra ordinary

but my experience has taught me that it is true.

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sadhak

Dear Suresh Sharma

I feel while remaining with the family, you can still have God

realisation by having detached view, Sakshi bhav, surrendering

fruits of all actions to God, leaving Karta Bhav and of course

meditation and Bhakti to wards Supreme God what so ever name you

call him

Thanks

 

 

G K Agrawal

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Hare Krsna

 

Respected Suresh ji

 

I have been following your mail and the replies. I fully understand

you confusion. Please don't lose your faith in Sri Krishna. Give

your thought or desire some time. If your faith and devotion is

strong and it doesn't deplete with time and surroundings and

circumstances Sri Krishna will show you some way out. In the

meantime completely surrender to Sri Krishna. He will take care of

your problem.As Sri Krishna states in the BG 9:22 " Ananyas

cintayanto maam ye.....yoga-ksemam vahamy aham "

 

Hare Krsna

" srivally k "

 

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Hari Om

 

Sharmaji ! Did you observe what Mike told ? " I don't judge " ! How

can you judge creation made by our Great Father ? After all we are

His children only - nothing more! Consider the " certainty " flowing

out of Mike's expression and experience! I told you before that you

are " pure " (open) hearted person ! This is how spiritual

reconciliations take place- notwithstanding

culture/caste/colour/country/civilisation etc !!! That is where Holy

Gitaji and Saints like Swamiji Ramsukhdasji Maharaj shine like Polar

Star!

 

" My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this! "

 

That is real " advice " ! That is what is " warranted " !! You can't

be " Judge " in this world made by Paramatma !! That is " Satsanga " !

That is " nectar " ! That is " Divine " ! This is " Mantra " ! This

is " guidance " ! Believe me on that ! ( I am taking this liberty of

asking you to " believe me " because you addressed the Question to me,

too )

 

That propels you to shed your " ego " ,your " intellect " ,

your 'mind, " .your " " mamata " (mineness) , your " likings " ( Raag) and

your " dislikings " (Dvesha) !.That requires you to get rid of

your " antahkarana " - by not acknowledging the same to be " yours " !

 

That makes you subdued too. That also makes you a child. That is

reality. That is " SAT " within the meaning of Gitaji.

 

That is " viveka " (Conscience), my Dear Sharmaji !

 

This is " Geeta Talk Group " ! Most certainly this is " Humanity " !

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

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Dear Sharmaji,

 

I don't see why you have to go any where.

If you are comfortable in the place you have lived all these years,

just stay there. If not, just find a surrounding you are comfortable

with.

You already love Gita Ji and also have been deeply influenced by

the books of a particular Swami. You have Internet, pretty much

wherever you are. Just translate sections of the book you like

to English. If it is already in English, re-write in your words.

Share your insight with others, who may be interested.

That is one way to spread your learning among others who may not

have thought of such things, but not averse to it.

Even if you can spread it to one other individual, that is plenty.

You can also share on the Internet. Start a blog site to

post your insights.You are all ready in parama-satsangh.

Joyfully participate in life- you can only do it, when you have

internally withdrawn.

 

 

Enjoy

 

KST

Koti Sreekrishna

 

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Dear Suresh Sharmaji, Let us follow the Lord in doing good karma and

you can think of joining us . --Prem

 

 

Prem Kumar Khullar

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Dear Shashikala bahan,

 

Et tu Brutus.

______________

 

Dear Sadhna Karigar ji,

 

Much help indeed.

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Dear Mike,

 

Your affection has wrapped me from all sides. (Manas : ab mohi bha

bharos

Hanumanta / Binu harikripa milahi nahi santa - Now, I am convinced

Hanuman that

without God’s grace, we cannot even meet the saints)

__________________

 

Dear Pratap Bhatt ji,

 

Your words have opened my eyes, and they make me sad also, though I

know the

truth of ‘shubhashubh prityagi’

-------------------------

Dear Baiya Sathyanarayan,

 

Your words are like torch to me. I can now see the path more clearly.

--------------------------

Dear Raj Kumar ji,

 

You make my heart weep and my eyes damp, out of sheer happiness.

This forum has

really helped me. Krishna’s grace †" unbounded and all around.

________________________

 

Dear Capt Johann Samuhanand,

 

Much grateful for the kind words and guidance, easy to practise.

 

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Dear Bandook Singh ji,

 

I will continue my duties towards all †" vasudhaiv kutumbkam.

 

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Dear Vyas ji,

 

Bura jo dekhan mai gaya, bura na milya koi

Jo ghat dekha aapna, mujhse bura no koi.

 

Once again thank you all for your valuable guidance and making me

see the light in right perspective. I will continue my job and

remain with the family - reading scriptures, attending satsang,

meeting saints and leading a life in a yagyamaya manner.

 

Kindest regards,

Suresh C Sharma

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Dear Sadhak,

The situations you just described are excellent circumstances for

God realization-

1. Free from reponsibilies

2. Free from worldly attachments

3. Considering yr self total failure means no dependency on yr own

strength

 

So instead of putting yr self in Golden Cage(due to attachment to

satvik guna) you should completely surrender yr self to God and be

free(jeevanmukta)

In my opinion you should insist on Paramatma Prapti(God realization)

not on ritualistic sanyaas or good company etc.Do satsang,go and

spend time in ashram, live with realized souls, but always look

inside, and know that I am God's and only God is mine. Knowledge,

devotion and liberation all will come with this knowing only.

 

With lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Sureshji,

 

Your predicament was summed up so well by a comment made by Jeshua

the

Nazarene, " a prophet is not without honor except in his own country

and in his own house " . I just recently made a comment on send to

entire group at another time)

Your country is the World of the Spirit, I have gone through the very

things you have gone through believe you me, I too live in the World

of the Spirit, we dwell in the same land, not Geographically you

understand.

Did not Sri Ramakrishna Paramahams, say God is closer than your skin,

if the good Swami was correct, you do not have to go anywhere to find

'The Beloved', I sure you know 'He' dwells in your heart.

It took me years to come to terms with things like Christmas, I

saw/see it as a time of gluttony and excess, built on a fable,

borrowing from the Pagans,(no disrespect to the Pagans intended).

I had to detach or go mad, but also honor the good things that happen

,like decent organizations that give the poor and destitute a decent

feed at that time, and we by presents that can be distributed to the

poor.

My lesson in this life is to open my Heart, and not to Judge, I am

sure of this!

Of course the family know me as an oddball, but also they know me as

one without hate, one who will help when there is need.

I have been blessed with so much Divine Love, I have met so many,

many, Great Souls, what a Divine forum this is, is it not?

In passing I am retired but am a very busy person.

 

With Respect and Divine Love,

 

Mike Keenor

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Dear Sadhakas, Namaste!Sureshji, I read your respectful responses to

sadhakas who attempted to answer your question on retirement and

sanyas. My experience tells me that if you have so many reasons to

retire and take sanyas, chances are it will not work for you,

particularly when these reasons are: you don't like situation and/or

behavior of people around you.It sounds like you may be forcing it

upon you(I may be wrong). I am not saying they(spouse/children) are

right in their own rights, but to think " they are wrong and

therefore, you have nothing to do with them " may be the the wrong

thinking as I see it. When one doesn't have any reasons, but only

happiness/love in whatever and wherever one is placed(not where one

places oneself), then, by all means, retirement and sanyas will work

better for one. We generally try to do or undo things to be happy

which, at best, works for short time and we are already looking for

something else to do or undo out of boredom.When we are already

happy and loving, then we do or undo things as if we are playing to

celebrate the life, because we are not looking to get anything which

will make us happy, we just are!I have learnt from life never to

possess another human being be that person your spouse, children,

friends, siblings, parents or whoever. Sometimes we possess by

making someone guilty or self pitying ourselves in front of them or

demands on them, or all such subtle tricks. One's sincerity and

honesty with oneself and above all love for truth will show the next

step. Namaskar

Pratap Bhatt

-------------------------

 

Dear Sadak,Bagavan said, " Loka Sheman Vahamiyam " . Means HE takes

care of the whole creation. So dont worry who will teach your

grandchildren. Your time is running out. Only you have to put your

effort which only will work out. Mostly seekers left homes and

stayed amidst nature to avoid social obligations such as marriages

etc. Even saints living with family were also remained detached and

so they were called excentric.This birth balance time can be

untilised purposefully in Sat Sangh, Bajans, Namasankeethan Etc.

Control all emotions, aviod being slave to toung (taste and talk),

see only God`s statue, walk only to temples, your free time spend in

meditation.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

baiya sathyanarayan

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My respectable Sharma ji,

 

I am a 44 year old Police officer in Delhi Police and for at least

20 years of my life I had been privileged to attend the Satsangas of

Swami Ramsukhdasji alongwith reading of his books (particularly the

book " Geeta Probodhini " , which influenced my life, greatly).

Sharmaji, for the last few years I have also been going through the

same social situations as has been described by you and the same

thoughts also come to my mind. I have tried my best to search for

the so called " serenity under a Banyan Tree " but found it no where.

My dear elder brother, we should not forget that we have some basic

needs in our life to be taken care of, so long as we are (rather we

have to) dragging the loathsome weight of this body and for that

very purpose we need society, which I donot think, is wrong. With

the increase of age, our medical needs also increase, which cannot

be avoided.

 

Now comes the burning question, then " Where to Go " ? My dear

brother, with all my sincerety, honesty and experience ( whaterver I

have gained by the grace of my Gurudev) I very truly and whole-

heartedly request you to please take refuge in ATMA. This is the

only place I have found to be most secluded and Serene. When you

are established in your realself, ATMA and when you have made

Brahmakar Vritti, you will find real great bliss, satisfaction and

the most Serene Place in your life, no matter where you are sitting,

whether in a birthday party or marriage party etc. Sir, as and when

you try to run away from these places, I am sorry to say, you

unknowingly create another bindings of Raga and Dwesha, which simply

add another hurdle in your way to attain real and eternal tranqality

in your life which you can attain even while sitting in your office

or at home.

 

Gaining Brahmakar Vritti is neither easy nor difficult. All it

depends on our sincerity. Try this-- throw away all intelligence

you have gained throughout your life, feel like an innocent child

and surrender yourself to God. Cry and cry desperately for him like

an innocent stubborn child. Feel yourself like Arjuna and listen

Him preeching Geeta. (Geeta Probodhini is best) Believe me, He

will come to your rescue and make the way.

 

If ever in Rishikesh, I can suggest satsang opportunity.

Ram Ram

 

Raj Kumar

 

Dear Sharmaji,

I read with interest your post and reply by friends.You say your

family responsibilities are over. But from what you write about your

son,daughter and wife that you are deeply involved in their views and

way of life though they are adults.Your main problem is trying to

control their way of life to yours and just because they as adults

donot agree with your way of life, you tend to blame them and also

your way of bringing up. You think you failed somewhere. You are

absolutely wrong in your view.Your wife and children have been

magnanimous in not enforcing their view or way of life on you . You

want to go on world tour or Indian tour of theertha places, i am sure

your family will allow it. do that and you will understand what is

GEETHA OR DHARMA.

With kind regards.

captain Johann samuhanand

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

Bhaiyya Sharmaji ! Very good Jee !! Bhabhiji should not eat

Golgappes because you don't like Golgappes !! Excellent Jee! Wahe

Guru! She should become like a " Gandhari " – is it? If children get

happy by birthday gifts, you feel they are becoming greedy !

Superlative Jee !! Why will they learn that as they become happy by

taking, there is someone becoming happy by giving also ? You don't

like what your son is doing ( Cellphone/ TV addiction) , good –

understandable ! But then what is objection to you , if he does not

like your watching News on TV ? Whatever " I LIKE SHOULD HAPPEN " –

Is that what you are suggesting, My Dear Bhaiyya ?? What is wrong

with Bhabhiji and kids if they expect you to behave in accordance

with their wish, particularly when you yourself have same

attitude ?. Hence they are in complete tandem with you !! Bolo

Jee !! Boliye Sir !

 

Your complaint is that Mrs Sharma is a great supporter of Son.

Anything wrong there? Are you not a supporter of your son? Who

doesnot support Sons/Daughters? If she is supporting a wrong

conduct , according to you, then it is her dereliction of duties.

Why you should transfer yourself under a banyan tree? If your

nephews etc do not approve of your Gita ways of living, then you

should take sanyaas? Which way is this Bhaiyyaji? Bolo ! " GITA WAY

OF LIVING " !! Approval of nephews/nieces is necessary for you? They

told you honestly that they are too young. Remember your being at

that age!

 

" Rajasic/Tamasic Creepers " !! These are the words you used for God's

children !! Pray to night before the God and say sorry to God –

don't forget to do that !! On one hand, you have registered your

house in the name of my Bhabhiji ( What a great love and

affection) , on the other hand you cannot even tolerate a sight of

her peacefully taking bites of delicious golgappes- which kind of

SAMATA ( EQUANIMITY) is this? Is not clearly a love / mineness

hidden beneath the outer layer of hate? Former is RAAG as per Gita.

Latter is DVESHA as per Gita ! Under which banyan tree you will find

practical situations like this to become EQUANIMOUS?

 

She is working in a bank. She does not need your Retirement cheque.

OK ! Now don't leave the job. Don't make them happy. Say You are not

retiring, Jee ! BECOME " Viviktadeshasevitvam " ( referred by you)

while remaining at home only. Become also " Asaktaranbhishvangam

putra daar griha dishu " ( Referred in previous sloka of BG 13).

Start accumulating money EXCLUSIVELY FOR YOURSELF AND ONLY FOR

YOURSELF_ for next 4/5 years. Don't even give an air of your current

pay cheques. Talk sweetly ! Try to throw bitterness from your

conduct. Inside your heart, there should not be an anger in you for

them, nor an ego in you as to how they will manage, nor a worry in

you, nor an impetuosity in you to know their reactions. Nor should

there be any outer proclamation of revolutionary conduct by you.

NOTHING in front. Let them ignore you. Let them drive their own

lives. When they demand anything from you, then take a call. There

you should think- CAN I DO AND SHOULD I DO ?

 

Keep in touch Jee !

 

Namaste Jee

Jee Jee

Shashikala

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Dear Sharmaji Your problem is that you are too good a person but

you are taking care of your family in an obliging manner. Now

that the children have grown up and they have started reflecting

upon in their own way- you still desire an attention by them

towards you. You feel the family should circle around your wishes,

tantrums, and thoughts. Come what may- it will not happen. It is not

correct for you to so expect. Spiritualism arises from within-

Sharmaji ! It can not be inflicted by an injection in the

youngsters. Ladies across the globe are like that only. At least

yours is earning and then eating Pani puri. God may create

circumstances in which instead of pani puri ,the very you get

eaten. There is nothing unusual emanating out of your narration

which can drive you to take sanyaas . Dont give much attention to

them. Concentrate on yourself. All are good. All are of God only.

This world has been made in such a manner that it in the end imparts

sorrow only. Hence dont think of going anywhere merely because your

beloveds are not behaving as you like them to do. It is injustice.

Ignore them. Pay attention to your duties and not to the duties of

others.

 

Regards Bandook Singh

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Hari Om

 

My Dear Sharmaji ! Thanks for honest expressions. You indeed have a

pure heart. But Facts as they appear to me are that ONLY you are at

fault- I seek your forgiveness. That every soul is self

centered /selfish is not something which is a new revelation. That

nobody except Paramatma is you/yours/for you is crystal clear to

you, me and all. PROBLEM WITH ALL OF US IS THAT WE KNOW BUT WE DON'T

ACCEPT TILL WE GET SHOCKS ! We know that this body, world, kith and

kin are not ours but still we complain that they don't listen to

words of wisdom. Now what is special about it? It is so ab initio.

But going under some banyan tree is not the answer to your emotional

confusions and complaints. Bitterness, complaint,

frustration,dejection,helplessness, rejection of present status,

expectations of a better conduct from your beloveds, feeling of self

worthlessness , likings , dislikings, cold anger, desire, all of

them are existing inside you and you only. Will your mind not emit

those emotions under a banyan tree? Will the memories not haunt you

there? Believe me – they will !

 

Now what to do ? Consider if you are so insistent on the following.

1. Don't leave the job 2. Take a small house nearby your existing

house on rent and shift there- all alone.3. Stop spending a penny on

any one except on yourself. 4. If kith and kin come to you, tell

them with folded hands --, " Thanks. Now I shall concentrate on

myself.I have a lot to do for myself. Please don't worry about me. I

shall take care of myself. Please be happy. God Bless you, all " .

Then start your sadhana as a " Bhakti Yogi " . ( My earlier suggestion

was reg Karma Yoga).

 

Start concentrating on " self " . Start eliminating- as Shashikalaji

told you- " Raag " ( Likings) and " Dvesha " ( Dislikings) from your

conduct. Your real enemies are Raag and Dvesha. Try to put "

Equanimity " in your conduct. What is the problem to you if Mrs

Sharma likes " golgappes " ? According to you she should eat only what

you want her to eat – Is it? This is example of Raag/Dvesha ! You

have to conquer this. No you cant make youngsters behave as you want

them to behave. YOU CANNOT ! Can you control your own mind and body?

No !

 

You need a lot to do with your own reference!

 

Believe in what Swamiji says in Sadhak Sanjeevani or Sadhan Sudha

Sindhu. Believe that nothing is yours. Believe that " I am of God

and ONLY God is mine. " Never give up your job – else there is a

danger that you shall lose both ends. " DUVIDHA MAIN DONO GAYE ,

MAYA MILI NA RAAM " ( In dilemma, I lost both. World as well as

God) ! Start implementing Swamiji's teachings. You have reached to

present state of " Vairagya " ( Dispassion) only because you served

in the past your wife and children. SERVICE DESTROYS MINENESS- it is

a principle given for benefit of entire humanity by Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. Live such dozens and dozens of laws/principles

stated by Taat Shree in His books/discourses/messages etc.

Concentrate more on that !!

 

There are other methods also. Keep writing/reading. You are in a

right, divine forum.

 

Your kith and kin shall ignore you only so long as you consider them

to be " yours " . The moment you really believe that they are not

yours, they will become " Godly " for you ! Try this !! All dirt is

there in " mineness " only.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas NB

 

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Respected All,

 

I am greatful for the guidance.

 

Dear Sadhna Karigar ji, very sensible indeed. My problem is that I am

a total failure or misfit in the society. I do not attend the

marriage parties where lot of noisy filmy songs and DJ dances etc.

make me sick even if I keep safe distance. I do not attend birthday

parties because the children celebrating the birthdays are more

interested in the gifts they get " we the gift-givers turn

them into greedy beings. I do not approve of my only son's obsession

with learning modern filmy dance and his addition to cell phone and

TV (he does not like even my watching the news channel) " I am a

total failure as a father for no fault of mine. I cannot take my

wife for outings because she is fond of eating " golgappe " etc and

above all she is a great supporter of her son's activities basically

completely spoiling him from spiritual point of view and making him

into a socially clever fellow. My daughter is in the job and

interested in getting materialistically rich just like any other

young lady. My nephews and niece do not approve of my Gita's way of

life, they say they are too young for these boring things. No one in

my family circle is interested in Swamiji's literature, but in Shani

Mandir and tantrik puja etc. I have realized to the core of my

heart that I cannot change or influence anyone in my family for their

real betterment. Wife and son are feeling happy at my idea of

premature retirement as they will get a few more lakhs of rupees.

Wife works in a bank. I am not finding fault with anyone, but that

is their " prarabdha " . Should I continue to be in the family to

nourish the " rajsik and tamsik " creepers (though all this

is " vasudevam sarvamiti " )? It would be a pleasure should I

become manure for any " satvik " plant.

 

Gita also teaches - Viviktadeshsevitvam, aratirjansansadi (dwelling

in a secluded place and lack of desire to be in the crowd) supports

my decision to seek sanyas. Though I want to be in the company of

the saints " bodhyantah parasparam " .

 

Dear Prem Khullar ji, while I agree with you fully, and by seeking

retirement and entering into the Sanyas, I am sure I can better

serve God's needy creatures with more freedom and time. I have been

studying and conserving birds and their habitats in Haryana since

1976 ˜sarvabhoot hite ratah " .

 

Dear N K Srinivasan ji, nice suggestion. I want to have regular and

continuous ˜darshanâ " of saints ˜gyan vigyan astikyam "

 

Shashikala bahan, I am a complete failure in family life and will be

a big failure if I persist in my meaningless social efforts. I am

reading the scriptures in general and Sadhak Sanjivani / Sadhak

Sudha Sindhu in particular. Your arguments are faultless, yet I want

to run away from the consumerist society and want to lead a perfect

peaceful natural life under some banyan tree in an ashram. Your

˜bhabhi " is interested in money and will be happy to get my post-

retirement cash and monthly pension; I have already registered the

house in her name. For myself, I do not need much and out of my Rs

15000 plus monthly pension, I just need one fifth of it at the most.

I do not think in this modern society my family members, present

and/or would be, will be interested in a ˜yagyaacharatah karma " Let

them be in their fool's paradise (if I can use the term of Henry

David Thoreau).

 

Dear Mahalaksmi Dasi ji, I appreciate your optimism. But I am a sort

of " sarvaarambh prityagi " .

 

Dear Hari Shanker Deo, I am seeking company of spiritual people and

something within me says " get out of this dirty consumerist social

life " .

 

Dear Vineet Sarvottam ji, Is there some Ashram in Churu also? Yes,

you are right. I recall Kabir's vani ˜rahna nahi, desh begana hai "

 

Dear Vyas ji, I am indeed indebted to you for detailed guidance,

practical and yet spiritual.

 

Still, I am a little confused.

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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Sir,

You must develop faith on our scriptures and establish firm

relationship with Gita itself can give you guidance on where to go,

what to do etc. Me too is 53 by age but I never feel my age because

I am engaged in service. Never worry about future or my past. We

must live in present. We are never free from responsibilities. Our

main duty is to know and serve. The more we know the more we serve.

Offer our service to the Lord while doing and we must leave it. Take

up the next till the Central Government terms end. We never end our

karma till the time of our departure from here. So that do not think

about a retirement from central government job. Still you can get

engaged in Gita service and the service with the Lord if you change

your attitude, not your situation. You have no control over the

situation only control is to develop over your mind.

Love, krishna das.

 

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If at some point in time when you are closer to a decision, you can

help us to help the needy children for their education, health and

mind.

 

Padmanabhan Sundaram

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Sadhak,

Swamiji Ramsukhdasji, never encouraged such things as like taking

early retirement , he never asked anyone to leave the job and take

sanyaas (as far as I understand his teachings.)

yr desire could be called a Satvik desire, but no matter what desire

leads to sufferings. So Swamiji says-donot even desire for

liberation/mukti.

Only desire for God is Worth desiring.Have only one desire-

Krishna/God and He will show you the path to reach Him.

 

Yogusth kuru karmani(Do yr karma while established in Yoga)

Working or retired doesnot obstruct yr path for self

enlightenment.Start yr spiritual journey RIGHT NOW, at this very

moment, wherever you are.Donot make it a future goal.

 

Nasto Vidhyate Bhao, Nabhao vidhyate satah (Gita 2:16)

The unreal has no existence and the real has no cessation...

So nomatter where you are the Real is with you every moment and the

unreal is leaving you every moment.

 

Detachment from the unreal is sanyaas, and knowing the difference

between what is real and what is unreal is Knowledge (Gita Ch 13 &

14)

 

Accepting everything as God's is Bhakti (Vasudev Sarvam)

 

Now tell me to follow any of these paths-karma yoga, gyaan yoga or

bhakti yoga, where do you need to go ?

Nowhere/anywhere/everywhere ?

 

Kasturi Kundal basi mrig dhundhe van mahi---(the aroma is coming out

from deer's own naval but he is running in the forest to find the

source/ Krishna/God is sitting right in our heart, but we are trying

to find Him outside)

 

with lots of Love,

a sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Dear Suresh Sharma ji,

 

WHERE TO GO ? WHERE CAN YOU GO ? NO WHERE . EVERY THING IS HERE . I

was an air force officer for 22 years. I retired 27 years back . I

am here running a 50 bed charitable hospital and various programs.

READ GITA , FOLLOW IT AND DO NOT BOTHER ABOUT THIS LIFE AND DEATH '

CHAKKAR'. It will be what ever it may be or whatever it has to be .

 

SERVE THE WORLD TO THE HILT - CEASELESSLY ,UNENDLESSLY AND FOR EVER.

LOVE

 

PREM KHULLAR

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Dear Sharmaji,

After retirement,I would suggest that you visit several pilgrim

centres and sacred temples,like a Parivrajika, with a few items with

you.Asmall suitcase and a bag.By such visits, your mind will be

purified and also you will learn more about our poeple ,their forms

of devotion and thier simple,humble ways.The railway tickets are

quite low and you need not sppend much.After say two or three years

of religious wandering or pilgrimages, you can select a place or

ashram or suitable palce to stay...This I learnt after my own

wanderings after the age of sixty.You are much younger and should be

easy for you.You will learn more about Bharat,our motherland after

that.

Regards,

In Shirdi Sai Smaran,

N K Srinivasan

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PRIOR POSTING

 

Jai Hanuman

 

No Bhaiyya Sharmaji. This " more or less over " with reference

to " duties " of marital life is not acceptable. Nor did I like your

last words - " where to go " !!

 

But your gesture/sentiment/approach is laudable- no questions about

the same!

 

WHERE TO GO ? - No where Dear. Remain where ever you are. Start now

a new life with no outer change. Concentrate on removing " Raag " (

Likings) and " Dvesha " (Dislikings) from your mind / intellect/

thoughts /psyche /person ! They are roots of your worldly stays of

past, present and future!

Read Scriptures/ Swamiji in spare time. Think about the soul, your

role in this Divine Lila !

 

By the way who are you to decide whether you should work or not? Did

you check up with Bhabhiji ( Mrs Sharma) ? Do as she says. No

arguments on this.

 

Have you planned adequately for your old age ? Who will instil God

in grand children? Who will guide them to righteousness? Who will

create cultural base for them and for the family ? Who will set

examples of selfless conduct? Who will make them better humans? Only

grand parents can do that- not the parents!

 

No Running away Bhaiyya! Stay put !! There are lot of things to do !

We will discuss if you actively participate !

 

Ever thought what should be your goal for balance life? It should

be " O God- I should not be coming back again in this world in any

type of body- unless you sponsor me as your representative for your

work. I should be free forever from this circle of birth and death " .

Think on these lines. Get rid of all worldly

attachments/connections/mineness by continuously and selflessly

serving all people around you with all the things you have - without

expecting anything from them in return In dreams even do not

visualise a situation where you get dependent over any worldly

body/thing. You get retired without actually retiring merely by

relinquishing dependence over the same ! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !!

 

Get free! Feel free ! Dream Free ! Seek freedom ! Remaining where

ever you are ! There is no need to go anywhere ! Make your home

itself a temple. Love all . See God in all. Don't establish

any " new " connection/relationship/attachment with any body/thing-

for getting anything worldly out of them. Concentrate on self and on

conscience.

 

KABIRA KHADA BAJAAR MAIN SABKI MAANGE KHAIR !

 

NA KAHOO SE DOSTI NA KAHOO SE VAIR !!

 

Says Saint Kabir - I am standing in this market (worldly life)

wishing good for all and sundry. I have neither any friends (

likings- Raag) nor any enemies (dislikings- Dvesha) !

 

That is real sanyaas ! My Dear Brother ! That is real retirement !

Not leaving or not leaving the Government Service !!

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

 

 

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My dandavat pranams to all in this fourm......responsibilities have

kept me so busy that I have neglected this beautiful forum, sadly.

In regard to this sacred question....what to do when one is

encountering the need to absorb oneself in spiritual practices for

oneself and others. I know that this is not exactly how the

question was worded, but truly, it is what I heard....because you

have come to the point of saying, " Where do I go from here " .....

indeed, age is not truly the criterion for one being ready to absorb

oneself in full devotion.....it is a point where one finally

accepts, " I have no business in this world save and except to live

for bhajan, for glorifying the lord, for providing knowledge of Gita

to others. "

 

I have accepted Los Angeles as my place to execute this

activity.....it is where the Lord has put me. Pray for guidance,

and it will come....Los Angeles has many, many groups of sadhaks, as

well as a very high level of vegetarian communities, vegan, raw,

east Indian, etc......and there are so so many people to give some

time and energy to as far as speaking on Bhagavat dharma. But than,

almost any city in the world these days, is needing Hari Katha to

purify the atmosphere.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

--------------------------------

 

Stay where you are. Seek a genuine Guru/Guru within. He will lead

you towards the right path. Meditate and seek the company of

spiritual people.

Hari Shanker Deo

--------------------------------

 

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Shri Sureshji, This is the same question that I had asked Swamiji

fourteen years back, while considering retirement - (should I go to

Rushikul, or Churu, or Rishikesh, or Gorakhpur), then his reply is

something that is useful to you - " Brother, wherever you are, remain

there as is, always " longing and desiring " , then your work will be

done. Because that Paramatma which you think about attaining in

Gorakhpur, or Rishikesh etc. that very same Paramatma wholly and

entirely is at this very moment close to you, now and at all

times. What more, you yourself are wise and patient, but when it

comes to relationship with Paramatma, the impatience (that intense

longing) works ! Very well!

 

Vineet Sarvottam

 

------------------------------

Hari Om

 

Dear Shri Sharmaji

 

At the outset welcome! Great things in life don't wait for any

retirement. No outside activity can accelerate your turning towards

the ultimate. If your family has slightest of the need for your

continuing doing the Govt Job - Please unhesitantly continue doing

that. Swamiji always advocated " 24 x 7 " work. Consider after having

fulfilled your responsibilities at this age of 53 ( I am also 53 and

have done all that is necessary for my family responsibilities,

married both daughters, a son and another son is ready for marriage,

all well settled- only difference is I am employed in private

sector) as to whether whatever you earn honourably and justfully out

of your employment- you should use them for welfare and benefit of

1. Those for whom you still have mineness/attachment (including your

body)- with a special sentiment always awakened in you inside that "

they are not you/yours/for you " 2 Those for whom you have no

mineness/attachment.

 

That is one way you can plan. Check up with your better half if she

wants you to continue working. If she says even " may be " or " as you

think fit " - work! Work so that you may never seek economic

dependence upon anyone for rest of your life. Work so that you may

be of help to category 2 people ( stated in preceding paragraph)!

Work in government without accepting anything extra. Live there like

a lotus in water. You can. You should. Work so that you may see God

whereever you get engaged in.

 

Ensure that today you don't need anybody for anything pertaining to

your balance stay in this world. If you feel some are dependent upon

you( say wife)- serve them with double intensity and speed.

 

But keep a thought burning inside you - " I am of God, Only God is

mine, nothing else is mine " . Don't expect anything from anybody-

even from God. Keep utilising whatever you have for benefit and

welfare of whoever comes in touch with you - if you can and if you

should.

 

All extra time in your life should be utilised in reading Swamiji's

books, Gita, Ramayana, listening to Swamiji's pravachans, singing

bhajans, doing keertans and remaining in good company always.

 

This is one way. Another totally different way - next time.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

------------------------------

Great idea!!!!!

I have been doing the same because I have also been influenced very

deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. We might be able to do share some

thoughts on some projects

 

Satya Kalra

 

 

--------------------------------

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related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further

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Dear Shashikala ji,

Im a bachelor of 27yrs age, not interested in marriage.

You gave suggestion to Sharmaji, to ask Bhabiji (Mrs. Sharama) to decide what to do and no argument are supposed to be there. but for an unmarried person like me what suggestion you will give to take-up sanyasa.

I will take my parents permission and will join in sanyasa.. what suggestion will you give me?

I do not want to finish my life in middle where ever I want. and i strongly believe, there is a meaning for this life. so I would like to wait for my turn and till that time i will be there with a guru who can help me to achieve wisdom of god. and for me, there is no other way to stay in this materialistic world.

 

If anybody knows any guru, who can help me, please give me details to approach and to achieve my wish.

 

Jai ShreeRam,

pavanmiriyala.

 

 

Respected Vyasji and others,

 

I am 53 and may seek premature retirement from my central govt

service. Married and family responsibilities are more or less over.

 

I want to spend my post-retirement life in the company of Gita

scholars/students/lovers. I have been influenced deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj.

 

Can you kindly guide me where to go?

 

Kind regards,

Suresh C Sharma

 

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Jai Hanuman

 

No Bhaiyya Sharmaji. This " more or less over " with reference

to " duties " of marital life is not acceptable. Nor did I like your

last words - " where to go " !!

 

But your gesture/sentiment/approach is laudable- no questions about

the same!

 

WHERE TO GO ? - No where Dear. Remain where ever you are. Start now

a new life with no outer change. Concentrate on removing " Raag " (

Likings) and " Dvesha " (Dislikings) from your mind / intellect/

thoughts /psyche /person ! They are roots of your worldly stays of

past, present and future!

Read Scriptures/ Swamiji in spare time. Think about the soul, your

role in this Divine Lila !

 

By the way who are you to decide whether you should work or not? Did

you check up with Bhabhiji ( Mrs Sharma) ? Do as she says. No

arguments on this.

 

Have you planned adequately for your old age ? Who will instil God

in grand children? Who will guide them to righteousness? Who will

create cultural base for them and for the family ? Who will set

examples of selfless conduct? Who will make them better humans? Only

grand parents can do that- not the parents!

 

No Running away Bhaiyya! Stay put !! There are lot of things to do !

We will discuss if you actively participate !

 

Ever thought what should be your goal for balance life? It should

be " O God- I should not be coming back again in this world in any

type of body- unless you sponsor me as your representative for your

work. I should be free forever from this circle of birth and death " .

Think on these lines. Get rid of all worldly

attachments/connections/mineness by continuously and selflessly

serving all people around you with all the things you have - without

expecting anything from them in return In dreams even do not

visualise a situation where you get dependent over any worldly

body/thing. You get retired without actually retiring merely by

relinquishing dependence over the same ! That is Swamiji

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj !!

 

Get free! Feel free ! Dream Free ! Seek freedom ! Remaining where

ever you are ! There is no need to go anywhere ! Make your home

itself a temple. Love all . See God in all. Don't establish

any " new " connection/relationship/attachment with any body/thing-

for getting anything worldly out of them. Concentrate on self and on

conscience.

 

KABIRA KHADA BAJAAR MAIN SABKI MAANGE KHAIR !

 

NA KAHOO SE DOSTI NA KAHOO SE VAIR !!

 

Says Saint Kabir - I am standing in this market (worldly life)

wishing good for all and sundry. I have neither any friends (

likings- Raag) nor any enemies (dislikings- Dvesha) !

 

That is real sanyaas ! My Dear Brother ! That is real retirement !

Not leaving or not leaving the Government Service !!

 

Namaste Jee

 

Jee Jee

Shashikala

 

 

 

-------------------------------

My dandavat pranams to all in this fourm......responsibilities have

kept me so busy that I have neglected this beautiful forum, sadly.

In regard to this sacred question....what to do when one is

encountering the need to absorb oneself in spiritual practices for

oneself and others. I know that this is not exactly how the

question was worded, but truly, it is what I heard....because you

have come to the point of saying, " Where do I go from here " .....

indeed, age is not truly the criterion for one being ready to absorb

oneself in full devotion.....it is a point where one finally

accepts, " I have no business in this world save and except to live

for bhajan, for glorifying the lord, for providing knowledge of Gita

to others. "

 

I have accepted Los Angeles as my place to execute this

activity.....it is where the Lord has put me. Pray for guidance,

and it will come....Los Angeles has many, many groups of sadhaks, as

well as a very high level of vegetarian communities, vegan, raw,

east Indian, etc......and there are so so many people to give some

time and energy to as far as speaking on Bhagavat dharma. But than,

almost any city in the world these days, is needing Hari Katha to

purify the atmosphere.

respectfully,

Mahalaksmi Dasi

--------------------------------

 

Stay where you are. Seek a genuine Guru/Guru within. He will lead

you towards the right path. Meditate and seek the company of

spiritual people.

Hari Shanker Deo

--------------------------------

 

Shree Hari

Ram Ram

 

Shri Sureshji, This is the same question that I had asked Swamiji

fourteen years back, while considering retirement - (should I go to

Rushikul, or Churu, or Rishikesh, or Gorakhpur), then his reply is

something that is useful to you - " Brother, wherever you are, remain

there as is, always " longing and desiring " , then your work will be

done. Because that Paramatma which you think about attaining in

Gorakhpur, or Rishikesh etc. that very same Paramatma wholly and

entirely is at this very moment close to you, now and at all

times. What more, you yourself are wise and patient, but when it

comes to relationship with Paramatma, the impatience (that intense

longing) works ! Very well!

 

Vineet Sarvottam

 

------------------------------

Hari Om

 

Dear Shri Sharmaji

 

At the outset welcome! Great things in life don't wait for any

retirement. No outside activity can accelerate your turning towards

the ultimate. If your family has slightest of the need for your

continuing doing the Govt Job - Please unhesitantly continue doing

that. Swamiji always advocated " 24 x 7 " work. Consider after having

fulfilled your responsibilities at this age of 53 ( I am also 53 and

have done all that is necessary for my family responsibilities,

married both daughters, a son and another son is ready for marriage,

all well settled- only difference is I am employed in private

sector) as to whether whatever you earn honourably and justfully out

of your employment- you should use them for welfare and benefit of

1. Those for whom you still have mineness/attachment (including your

body)- with a special sentiment always awakened in you inside that "

they are not you/yours/for you " 2 Those for whom you have no

mineness/attachment.

 

That is one way you can plan. Check up with your better half if she

wants you to continue working. If she says even " may be " or " as you

think fit " - work! Work so that you may never seek economic

dependence upon anyone for rest of your life. Work so that you may

be of help to category 2 people ( stated in preceding paragraph)!

Work in government without accepting anything extra. Live there like

a lotus in water. You can. You should. Work so that you may see God

whereever you get engaged in.

 

Ensure that today you don't need anybody for anything pertaining to

your balance stay in this world. If you feel some are dependent upon

you( say wife)- serve them with double intensity and speed.

 

But keep a thought burning inside you - " I am of God, Only God is

mine, nothing else is mine " . Don't expect anything from anybody-

even from God. Keep utilising whatever you have for benefit and

welfare of whoever comes in touch with you - if you can and if you

should.

 

All extra time in your life should be utilised in reading Swamiji's

books, Gita, Ramayana, listening to Swamiji's pravachans, singing

bhajans, doing keertans and remaining in good company always.

 

This is one way. Another totally different way - next time.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

Vyas N B

 

 

------------------------------

Great idea!!!!!

I have been doing the same because I have also been influenced very

deeply by the books

of Swami Ramsukhdasji Maharaj. We might be able to do share some

thoughts on some projects

 

Satya Kalra

 

 

--------------------------------

GITA TALK GROUP GUIDELINES:

1. Purpose of the group is to help Sadhakas clarify their doubts

related to Gitaji shalokas. Therefore, responses which further

clarify the understanding of Gitaji, will only be posted.

2. Wherever possible, please quote Gitaji or other scriptures to

substantiate your response.

3. Kindly limit personal feelings, opinions, beliefs etc. to the

extent that they further help in understanding the Gita shlokas

4. Please be as concise and to the point as possible, respecting

sadhaka's time.

5. Kindly focus your writing to the subject at hand only.

6. Please do not include links to the other sites or other

organizations.

7. Kindly do not include your personal information such as phone

number, address etc.

8. Please do not address the response to a particular individual

since the message is going to the entire group.

9. Due to the large readership, all responses may not be posted.

10. Moderator at his discretion, may modify the posting, if content

is unclear or not appropriate for distribution to the group.

11. Please respond taking into consideration the novices, youth,

westerners, non-sectarian audience. Kindly limit the use to Sanskrit

words only, rather provide the English word with Sanskrit bracketed

wherever possible.

 

MODERATOR

Ram Ram

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