Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 " rekha_dp81 " When one knows that " what should be done & what should not be " , why then he can't firmly follow the right path? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Dear souls;This question about not doing the right thing although sufficiently qualified can be seen in the life of Bhisma Pitamaha. He was there in the assembly of Kurus and Pandavas when Srimati Droupadi was being disrobed by Dushashan, and yet did not try to stop him. Why? The answer is that he was living in the palace of the Kurus and was eating their food daily. Thus his blood and mind were contaminated. Only when the arrows of Arjuna filled his body and he lay on the field of Kurukshetra did he finally regain his proper mind and discriminative powers, since the blood that drained out, removed all the impurities. So, if we are living in the house of non-devotees or eating food that is cooked by non-devotees then that food will also contaminate our consciousness and deplete our ability to discriminate properly and act accordingly.Avadhoot -- If one controls his mind, he can choose the right path. "sarabgln" -- usha sridhar Hari OM. Our body is just a vehicle. We are perfectly governed by nature. NEXT IS RAJO,THAMO AND SATHVIK GUNAS are acting on US. The whole Universe is governed by these Krushna gives methodology to Arjuna to overcome the impact of Three GUnas in Gita. Now,YOU please tell me how is it possible to change our behaviour unless we have Knowledge about this. This is BHRUMA GYANAM. Hari OM. -- "Gopi Krishna Paritala" Because of Raga-Dweshas, human being thinks that he is the body and this body will not perish. He or she is going to live on this earth permanently. Due to this attraction, he or she does all kinds of things to amass wealth and to get name and fame. But, when the times comes, one has to leave all these behind and go alone. No one accompanies him or her in that journey. Alas! Still, he and she does not realise. Love and Love alone... 12pt;">sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:59:10 PM Why can't we firmly follow the Right Path? "rekha_dp81" When one knows that "what should be done & what should not be", why then he can't firmly follow the right path? No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Mail for Mobile. Get started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Dear Sadhakas: When one thinks one knows what should be done and what shouldn't be done, why doesn't he/she do it, right? Now when one is totally identified as body only by thought in mind or feelings in body and considers him/her to be an individual then he/she has no free will!(body is not telling you are this body) Individual person is governed by his conditioning(karmas) so only conditioning act thru him not free will! This is ignorance of not knowing his true nature so obviously actions originate from such ignorance is not going to let him act what should be done. He can think he has free will but he doesn't really! An individual person Ego has no free will, cannot have free will! Freedom to act correctly comes only from realization of oneself as Atman which itself is intelligence and knows what should be done. Freedom from karmas-conditioning happens when one understands one is not doer or karta of deeds he performs(please verify this right now in your life), but its God as Consciousness or Life or Infinite Intelligence that performs what is required at the time to do Lila! Know this, not as a theory, but actually by playing a devil's advocate and prooving "I" to be non-doer! You wouldn't have any valid proof to beleieve that "I" is doer except its just a belief from childhood. Then Karmas will collapse and freedom to act will rein! ..........Pratap , avadhuta maharaja <avadhutamaharaja wrote:>> Dear souls;> > This question about not doing the right thing although sufficiently qualified can be seen in the life of Bhisma Pitamaha. He was there in the assembly of Kurus and Pandavas when Srimati Droupadi was being disrobed by Dushashan, and yet did not try to stop him. Why? The answer is that he was living in the palace of the Kurus and was eating their food daily. Thus his blood and mind were contaminated. Only when the arrows of Arjuna filled his body and he lay on the field of Kurukshetra did he finally regain his proper mind and discriminative powers, since the drained that blood out removed all the impurities. > So, if we are living in the house of non-devotees or eating food that is cooked by non-devotees then that food will also contaminate our consciousness and deplete our ability to discriminate properly and act accordingly.> > Avadhoot> > > sadhak_insight sadhak_insight > Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:59:10 PM> Why can't we firmly follow the Right Path?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "rekha_dp81" > > When one knows that "what should be done & what should not> > be", why then he can't firmly follow the right path? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!--> > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;}> #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}> #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;}> #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;}> #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;}> #ygrp-text{> font-family:Georgia;> }> #ygrp-text p{> margin:0 0 1em 0;> }> #ygrp-tpmsgs{> font-family:Arial;> clear:both;> }> #ygrp-vitnav{> padding-top:10px;> font-family:Verdana;> font-size:77%;> margin:0;> }> #ygrp-vitnav a{> padding:0 1px;> }> #ygrp-actbar{> clear:both;> margin:25px 0;> white-space:nowrap;> color:#666;> text-align:right;> }> #ygrp-actbar .left{> float:left;> white-space:nowrap;> }> .bld{font-weight:bold;}> #ygrp-grft{> font-family:Verdana;> font-size:77%;> padding:15px 0;> }> #ygrp-ft{> font-family:verdana;> font-size:77%;> border-top:1px solid #666;> padding:5px 0;> }> #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{> padding-bottom:10px;> }> > #ygrp-vital{> background-color:#e0ecee;> margin-bottom:20px;> padding:2px 0 8px 8px;> }> #ygrp-vital #vithd{> font-size:77%;> font-family:Verdana;> font-weight:bold;> color:#333;> text-transform:uppercase;> }> #ygrp-vital ul{> padding:0;> margin:2px 0;> }> #ygrp-vital ul li{> list-style-type:none;> clear:both;> border:1px solid #e0ecee;> }> #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{> font-weight:bold;> color:#ff7900;> float:right;> width:2em;> text-align:right;> padding-right:.5em;> }> #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{> font-weight:bold;> }> #ygrp-vital a {> text-decoration:none;> }> > #ygrp-vital a:hover{> text-decoration:underline;> }> > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{> color:#999;> font-size:77%;> }> #ygrp-sponsor #ov{> padding:6px 13px;> background-color:#e0ecee;> margin-bottom:20px;> }> #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{> padding:0 0 0 8px;> margin:0;> }> #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{> list-style-type:square;> padding:6px 0;> font-size:77%;> }> #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{> text-decoration:none;> font-size:130%;> }> #ygrp-sponsor #nc {> background-color:#eee;> margin-bottom:20px;> padding:0 8px;> }> #ygrp-sponsor .ad{> padding:8px 0;> }> #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{> font-family:Arial;> font-weight:bold;> color:#628c2a;> font-size:100%;> line-height:122%;> }> #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{> text-decoration:none;> }> #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{> text-decoration:underline;> }> #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{> margin:0;> }> o {font-size:0;}> .MsoNormal {> margin:0 0 0 0;> }> #ygrp-text tt{> font-size:120%;> }> blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;}> .replbq {margin:4;}> -->> > > > > > > > > > > Cheap talk?> Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.> http://voice.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Divine atman ! I cannot satisfy myself that only the food can let us to do so (contaminate our consciousness),there must be more than food that one cannot follow the right path, even though one knows what shoudl be and should not be done. Plz! explain. thanks rekha!! , avadhuta maharaja <avadhutamaharaja wrote: > > Dear souls; > > This question about not doing the right thing although sufficiently qualified can be seen in the life of Bhisma Pitamaha. He was there in the assembly of Kurus and Pandavas when Srimati Droupadi was being disrobed by Dushashan, and yet did not try to stop him. Why? The answer is that he was living in the palace of the Kurus and was eating their food daily. Thus his blood and mind were contaminated. Only when the arrows of Arjuna filled his body and he lay on the field of Kurukshetra did he finally regain his proper mind and discriminative powers, since the drained that blood out removed all the impurities. > So, if we are living in the house of non-devotees or eating food that is cooked by non-devotees then that food will also contaminate our consciousness and deplete our ability to discriminate properly and act accordingly. > > Avadhoot > > > sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight > > Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:59:10 PM > Why can't we firmly follow the Right Path? > > " rekha_dp81 " > > When one knows that " what should be done & what should not > > be " , why then he can't firmly follow the right path? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Food has its role but " Understanding is the whole thing " - The moment one understands the truth /wisdom of life/ principle of life/human values/right path systematically and impactully, one gets transformed. The truth is simple and easy to understand but has been complicated so much that it gets lost in the thousands of pages of various books. Gita is a powerful book, contains the truth and wisdom of life but perhaps it is the most misunderstood book. best wishes....Sushil - rekha_dp81 <rekha_dp81 Saturday, February 17, 2007 7:10 pm Re: Why can't we firmly follow the Right Path? > Divine atman ! > > I cannot satisfy myself that only the food can let us to do > so (contaminate our consciousness),there must be more than food > that one cannot follow the right path, even though one knows what > shoudl be and should not be done. Plz! explain. > > thanks rekha!! > > , avadhuta maharaja > <avadhutamaharaja wrote: > > > > Dear souls; > > > > This question about not doing the right thing although > sufficiently qualified can be seen in the life of Bhisma Pitamaha. > He was there in the assembly of Kurus and Pandavas when Srimati > Droupadi was being disrobed by Dushashan, and yet did not try to > stop him. Why? The answer is that he was living in the palace of > the > Kurus and was eating their food daily. Thus his blood and mind > were > contaminated. Only when the arrows of Arjuna filled his body and > he > lay on the field of Kurukshetra did he finally regain his proper > mind and discriminative powers, since the drained that blood out > removed all the impurities. > > So, if we are living in the house of non-devotees or eating food > that is cooked by non-devotees then that food will also > contaminate > our consciousness and deplete our ability to discriminate properly > and act accordingly. > > > > Avadhoot > > > > > > sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight > > > > Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:59:10 PM > > Why can't we firmly follow the Right Path? > > > > " rekha_dp81 " > > > > When one knows that " what should be done & what should not > > > > be " , why then he can't firmly follow the right path? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Unless and until we are established in our realself we are bound to deviate from right path because at that time we are easily driven by the force of selfishness which is very much associated with our body and mind. Hari Omrekha_dp81 <rekha_dp81 wrote: Divine atman !I cannot satisfy myself that only the food can let us to do so (contaminate our consciousness),there must be more than food that one cannot follow the right path, even though one knows what shoudl be and should not be done. Plz! explain.thanks rekha!! , avadhuta maharaja <avadhutamaharaja wrote:>> Dear souls;> > This question about not doing the right thing although sufficiently qualified can be seen in the life of Bhisma Pitamaha. He was there in the assembly of Kurus and Pandavas when Srimati Droupadi was being disrobed by Dushashan, and yet did not try to stop him. Why? The answer is that he was living in the palace of the Kurus and was eating their food daily. Thus his blood and mind were contaminated. Only when the arrows of Arjuna filled his body and he lay on the field of Kurukshetra did he finally regain his proper mind and discriminative powers, since the drained that blood out removed all the impurities. > So, if we are living in the house of non-devotees or eating food that is cooked by non-devotees then that food will also contaminate our consciousness and deplete our ability to discriminate properly and act accordingly.> > Avadhoot> > > sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight> > Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:59:10 PM> Why can't we firmly follow the Right Path?> > "rekha_dp81" > > When one knows that "what should be done & what should not> > be", why then he can't firmly follow the right path? > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 there are several reasons why this happens: 1.. In ch 3 v 36 Arjuna asks Lord krishna " Even though unwilling, why a person indulges into wrong action " ? Lord answers in v. 37-40 that KAMA and Krodha born out of RAJOGUNA (mode of passion), residing in the Indriyas (objects of perception), Manas (mind)and Buddhi(intellect), obscure the TRUE knowledge and therefore force a person into wrongful actions. Chain reaction starts with Indriyas (objects of perception) when a person indulges into Vishayas (sense objects) it sets off a chain reaction involving Manas (mind) and Buddhi (intellect). Since Atman (Soul, Self) is superior to Buddhi (intellect), by realizing the Atman, we are able to utilize our Buddhi (intellect) to control our manas (mind) and Indriyas (objects of perception)( Ch 3 v 43) . 2. Habits born out of past actions: What ever actions we have done before, determine and condition our future behavior. If we have always been indulging in wrongful action even though we may decide one day to start doing good actions, long established habit pattern will force us to behave in the same old way. Examples are in Chapter 18 v 60 and ch 18 v14( here DAIVA is mentioned as fifth factor. ( DAIVA being the POORVAKRITA KARMA' conditioning effect) , " sadhak_insight " <sadhak_insight wrote: > > " rekha_dp81 " > When one knows that " what should be done & what should not > be " , why then he can't firmly follow the right path? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 3. Third factor being our innate nature to seek happiness. We being an ANSHI of Satchitananda, it is our innate nature to seek happiness ( Ananda). Not knowing that we have an unlimited storehouse of that happiness inside us we look for it in outside things and due to social behaviour patterns we mistakenly search for that Ananda in the outside world and through wrongful actions. This leads us on to the wrong path because it seems to be an easy way to reach the happiness that we so desire. But once a person has experienced that infinite happiness that resides within his own (Self) Atman, he calms down and resides peacefully within himself. Ch 6 v 27 and 28. , " sadhak_insight " <sadhak_insight wrote: > > " rekha_dp81 " > When one knows that " what should be done & what should not > be " , why then he can't firmly follow the right path? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Each person/human being KNOWS/FEELS what is right and what is wrong before committing the sin or before doing what is not right or what is right. But DESIRE is what makes a person commit sin. In Chapter 3, when Arjuna asks what makes a person want to commit sin even though knowing that it is sinful? Sri Krishna says it is DESIRE which propels the person do many things . Until we are established in our real Self, we are bound to deviate from right path because at that time we are easily driven by the force of selfishness which is very much associated with our body and mind. By the proper analysis of any desire which rises in our mind, we can definitely whether to pursue that particular desire or not. Also, another verse (Leave all Dharmas and everything and come to ME/Surrender to ME (the Lord says): .... verse(3.30) "Mayi sarvani karmani samnyasya dhyatma cetasa, nirasis-nirmamo bhutva yudh-yasva vigata-jvarah" Renouncing all actions in ME, with the mind centered on the SELF, free from hope and egoism(owneship) free from (mental) fever, (you) do fight! If we all able to surrender everything onto GOD, the sin can never happen from the person. But because our minds are not (most of our minds) able to surrender to Lord, Lord says, do the actions and do not expect the results of the actions.(With this attitude , if anyone does any action, if we look little deep, the person will never commit sin..since he/she does not care of the actions..so all the sins are comminted to get something out of that action. Once u let go of the fruits of the actions, then whatever the person does is pure from egoism). Another main important thing what I feel is: All these books/scriptures/upanishads/Bhagavadgita is ONLY meant for the person himself/herself. Its only for our own understanding and the main thing is how can we better our own self from this. Have a nice day. Regards. ----------- ----------- Hari Omrekha_dp81 <rekha_dp81 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Divine atman !I cannot satisfy myself that only the food can let us to do so (contaminate our consciousness),there must be more than food that one cannot follow the right path, even though one knows what shoudl be and should not be done. Plz! explain.thanks rekha!! , avadhuta maharaja <avadhutamaharaja wrote:>> Dear souls;> > This question about not doing the right thing although sufficiently qualified can be seen in the life of Bhisma Pitamaha. He was there in the assembly of Kurus and Pandavas when Srimati Droupadi was being disrobed by Dushashan, and yet did not try to stop him. Why? The answer is that he was living in the palace of the Kurus and was eating their food daily. Thus his blood and mind were contaminated. Only when the arrows of Arjuna filled his body and he lay on the field of Kurukshetra did he finally regain his proper mind and discriminative powers, since the drained that blood out removed all the impurities. > So, if we are living in the house of non-devotees or eating food that is cooked by non-devotees then that food will also contaminate our consciousness and deplete our ability to discriminate properly and act accordingly.> > Avadhoot> > > sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight> > Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:59:10 PM> Why can't we firmly follow the Right Path?> > "rekha_dp81" > > When one knows that "what should be done & what should not> > be", why then he can't firmly follow the right path? > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 A person who desires to follow the right path will follow the right path. in case any help is needed God is there to help. hari bol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 The great saints and our epics tell us that our body has got two spheres. One is the Macro (Sthool Shareer)Body which we see with our eyes. The other is Micro (Sookhshma Shareer) which is not visible to us. The Food we consume has also both Sthool and Sookhshma parts. The Visible food that we eat nourishes our visible body and the Sookhshma elements of the food would nourish our sookhshma shareer. Now the sookhsma element of food would greatly depend on 1. The state of purity of the money with which the food was bought. 2. The mentle state of the person who has cooked the food. 3. The purity and cleanliness of the place where the food has been cooked. 4. The method of cooking and its ingrediants; and so on. The Lord has in Shri Geeta ji has classified three types of Budhhi (Mentle self). Satvik, Rajas and Tamas. And has told us what kind of food will be liked by people with these three different traits. Chaper 17 - verses 8,9 & 10. (Please read the explanation of these verses in Sadhak Sanjeevani By Swami Shri Ram Sukhdas ji Maharaj) The old saying - Jaisa Khawe Anna Waisa Howe Mann (You will be - what you eat) is not without some basis. Thus Shri Avadhoot Maharaj, is correct in saying that we should be careful as to what we eat. With Kind Regards, SUSHIL Kumar Jalan. On 2/12/07, rekha_dp81 <rekha_dp81 wrote: Divine atman !I cannot satisfy myself that only the food can let us to do so (contaminate our consciousness),there must be more than food that one cannot follow the right path, even though one knows what shoudl be and should not be done. Plz! explain. thanks rekha!! , avadhuta maharaja <avadhutamaharaja wrote: >> Dear souls;> > This question about not doing the right thing although sufficiently qualified can be seen in the life of Bhisma Pitamaha. He was there in the assembly of Kurus and Pandavas when Srimati Droupadi was being disrobed by Dushashan, and yet did not try to stop him. Why? The answer is that he was living in the palace of the Kurus and was eating their food daily. Thus his blood and mind were contaminated. Only when the arrows of Arjuna filled his body and he lay on the field of Kurukshetra did he finally regain his proper mind and discriminative powers, since the drained that blood out removed all the impurities. > So, if we are living in the house of non-devotees or eating food that is cooked by non-devotees then that food will also contaminate our consciousness and deplete our ability to discriminate properly and act accordingly.> > Avadhoot> > > sadhak_insight <sadhak_insight> > Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:59:10 PM > Why can't we firmly follow the Right Path?> > " rekha_dp81 " > > When one knows that " what should be done & what should not> > be " , why then he can't firmly follow the right path? > > -- Sushil Kumar Jalan Hutch +91.98.115.99944Reliance +91.93.115.99944 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Ram Ram This is a wonderful question which all modern intellectuals who want to understand spirituality will ask. The answers that have come are all correct and there can be many more such answers from different perspectives and from people in different situations and circumstances. However, in my humble view the simple and truthful answer is only one: Because we do not truly want to follow the right path. If we truly want to, there is nothing on earth that can stop us – everything and everyone will help us in our endeavour. As the Gita says – you are your own worst enemy and your best friend (6:5). You have to want to do what should be done. Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 That means that unless we desire to follow the right path we cant.... What is a human being's most intrinsic desire?? And how to get rid of unreasonable desire's....?? regards, kanishk Gita Prapann Parivar wrote: Ram Ram This is a wonderful question which all modern intellectuals who want to understand spirituality will ask. The answers that have come are all correct and there can be many more such answers from different perspectives and from people in different situations and circumstances. However, in my humble view the simple and truthful answer is only one: Because we do not truly want to follow the right path. If we truly want to, there is nothing on earth that can stop us – everything and everyone will help us in our endeavour. As the Gita says – you are your own worst enemy and your best friend (6:5). You have to want to do what should be done. Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Dear Friends and Fellow Travellers in Gita Parivar, Love and Love alone.... Purva janma kritham paapam .... Janma dukham, jara dukham, jayat dukham punah punah samsara sagaram dukham tasmat jagrata jagrataetc., are the cautions handed down to us by our elders. Like the above, there are 'n' number of precautions prescribed by our scriptures to ensure that on our path to HIS Lotus Feet, we will not get side-tracked by the glitters and beauty of this samsara. However, unfortunately, most of us are failing to notice these warnings and falling into the hands of maya-prapancham. Since we are not what we are supposed to be, having taken this manava janma, we are failing in our mission to achieve what we should achieve otherwise. Having known the Kaliyuga prabhava very well over human beings, God gave us, with all mercy and love, everything in Srimad Bhagavad Gita to read and re-read, understand and assimilate the essence of it, so that if not today, tomorrow or day-after we will realise where we went wrong and how we should save ourselves from the evil influences of this apparently attractive world. Gita is just not a book, it is the way of life as it should be. If we do not follow, we fall and fail. We have everything to gain and nothing to lose in Srimad Bhagavad Gita. What is required is only our strong resolution to stick to the tenets and principles of Gita and nothing else. The moment we start our journey on the path shown by Gita, an environment congenial to our resolve will automatically be created and, of course, at the same time, an opposite environment too, to test our resolve and make us strong and go beyond the vicissitudes of life. If we steadily push forward ourselves on the chosen path, without losing our nerve and facing the challenges on the path with a smile, maintaining equilibrium, love and devotion, I am sure, God will certainly help all those who wish to help themselves. Our mind is our best friend and worst enemy too, as Sadhak ji said. It is all upto us whether we wish to make our mind our best friend or not. So, let us make the mind our best friend Love and Love alone... P. Gopi Krishna Gita Prapann Parivar <sadasya wrote: Ram Ram This is a wonderful question which all modern intellectuals who want to understand spirituality will ask. The answers that have come are all correct and there can be many more such answers from different perspectives and from people in different situations and circumstances. However, in my humble view the simple and truthful answer is only one: Because we do not truly want to follow the right path. If we truly want to, there is nothing on earth that can stop us – everything and everyone will help us in our endeavour. As the Gita says – you are your own worst enemy and your best friend (6:5). You have to want to do what should be done. Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 IT IS VERY HARD TO DEFINE RIGHT PATH WHICH MAY MEAN DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE THE PATH WHICH MAY BE THE RIGHT PATH , IN SOMEONE ELSE'S VIEW MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT PATH from : suka3145 -- From : Suhas The question is in two parts. · About Food · About Action Food really does not affect a person. It is a person who prefers certain types of food. A person who is predominantly “satvik’ prefers food which increases longitivity, purity, strength, health, and happiness. It is savoury,smooth, substantial and naturally agreeable. Ref (17/8) A person who is predominantly “rajasik” prefers food which is bitter, sour , salty, dry burning. Ref (17/9) A person who os predominantly “tamasik” prefers food, which is half cooked, half ripe, foul, stale etc. Ref (17/10) What forces us to go against our consciousness? Qr did you mean conscience ? Why does a person act against his INTELLECT? This question is asked by Arjuna > Ref (3/36) Going against intellect causes agitation. Call it “sin” the thought of which keeps bothering you off on. Sin is not in action; but in reaction. Sin is in the intention. Subsequently Lord explains how 'Desires' override your actions.Ref (3/37-39) It makes an interesting reading . Thanks and RAM RAM . Suhas Gogate -- kc3377 Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:29 PM Re: Re: Why can't we firmly follow the Right Path? That means that unless we desire to follow the right path we cant.... What is a human being's most intrinsic desire?? And how to get rid of unreasonable desire's....?? regards, kanishk Gita Prapann Parivar wrote: Ram Ram This is a wonderful question which all modern intellectuals who want to understand spirituality will ask. The answers that have come are all correct and there can be many more such answers from different perspectives and from people in different situations and circumstances. However, in my humble view the simple and truthful answer is only one: Because we do not truly want to follow the right path. If we truly want to, there is nothing on earth that can stop us – everything and everyone will help us in our endeavour. As the Gita says – you are your own worst enemy and your best friend (6:5). You have to want to do what should be done. Ram Ram Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Ram Ram,A very fundamental question has been raised. The first is What is a human being's most intrinsic desire??. The most intrinsic desire of every human has to be attaining the ultimate goal of salvation. The inclination towards the worldly (Sansarik) affairs and matters, has overcast our mind and heart. We do everything (KRIYA) towards attaining more and more sansarik pleasure by amassing more and more wealth (PADARTH). Both KRIYA and PADARTH belong to PRAKRITI (Nature) which is always uncertain and perishable (ch2v14). This attachment of IMPORTANCE (Mahtwa-Budhi) in the uncertain and perishable Kriya and Padarth has diluted or diverted our attention from the Goal. (Ch 2 V 44) The Second question by the Sadhak is " And how to get rid of unreasonable desires....?? " . The answer to this is contained in the above paragraph. We have to do the " COURSE CORRECTION " by dissolving the " MAHATWA-BUDHI " (Attachment of Importance) in the perishable and ever-perishing worldly pleasures. REMEMBER we do not have to RENOUNCE the world. Saints tell us that we have to firmly believe that the ultimate & perpetual bliss (RAS) is in the GOD (who is a RAS-SAGAR). By focusing our Mahtwa-Budhi on this single principal shall augment us on the sadhana path. With kind Regards,Sushil Kumar Jalan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Dear All in Gita Group, Love and Love alone.... Further to what has been written already, I am hereunder reproducing what Poojya Ramsukhdas Ji Maharaj said about Perishable and Desire. Please read and enjoy: Love and Love alone.... P. Gopi Krishna Gist: Attachment to perishable gives birth to fear, anger, greed, desire, feeling of " mine " and many other negative qualities. Renounce attachment by regarding objects for others and for serving others. Depend only on God (not body, nor intellect), and the dependency on the world will end. Renouncing attachment is the penance of knowledge, which leads to His Being - Truth, Consciousness and Bliss. Renounce Attachment to Perishable - Gita 4:10 " Vitaraaga bhaya krodha manmayaa maamupaasritah Bahavo jnaana tapasaa putaa madbhaavamaagatah. " (Gita 4:10) " Freed from attachment, fear and anger, absorbed in Me, and taking refuge in Me, purified by the penance of knowledge, many have attained union with My Being. " (Gita 4:10) Comments: When a man has disinclination for God, he gets attached to the perishable objects. It is because of this attachment, that he has the sense of " mine " , for the objects acquired and a desire for those that he does not already possess. He develops greed and longing for more for that which is already acquired, and becomes angry with those who become obstacles in the acquisition of new objects. If the individuals that pose as obstacles are stronger than him, than he develops fear. Thus attachment to perishable things gives birth to fear, anger, greed, desire, feeling of " mine " and many other negative qualities. If attachment is renounced, all these negative qualities will disappear. If instead of regarding objects as ours and for us, if we regard them as for others and for rendering service to others, attachment will go away. Because in reality, we have no affinity for such objects and actions. A man has to depend on something or the other in this world. He (the Soul, Self), in spite of being a fragment of God, a ray of God's consciousness, having no inclination for God, relies on perishable objects (other people, riches, his intellect etc), which prevent him from spiritual progress. Even dependency on the intellect to perform virtuous actions, or the practice of spiritual disciplines or renouncing pleasures and prosperity, will prevent him from realizing God quickly. So long as he does not depend on God, his dependence on the world does not end, and he has to suffer pain. When a person does not regard perishable things as his or for him, it means that he performs the penance of knowledge, which purifies him. The penance of knowledge is superior to all other austerities. Through this, the assumed affinity for the insentient (matter) is renounced totally. So long as a man assumes his affinity for the insentient (matter), he is not so easily purified by other penance. Being purified by the penance of knowledge, a man attains to His being, which is Truth, Consciousness and Bliss. Just at the Lord is eternal, Self that resides in the body is also eternal; just as the Lord is untainted and unaffected, Self too remains untainted and unaffected. As nothing remains to be done by God, nothing further remains to be done by the Self. Therefore by the discipline of knowledge, man attains God. Many devotees having been purified by the penance of knowledge, have attained the Lord. Everyone is independent in attaining Him, because this human body has been bestowed upon us, only to attain God. On 2/23/07, Gopi Krishna Paritala <paritalagopikrishna wrote: Love and Love alone.... In order to ger rid of desires, the only and the easiest way is to ponder over again and again on Nitya-Anitya . Keep active the discrimination faculty to do Nitya-Anitya Viveka Vichara. Sri Adi Sankaracharya says the following in His famous Bhajagovindam: Praanaayaamam Pratyaahaaram Nityaanityavivekavichaaram Jaapyasameta Samaadhividhaanam Kurvavadhaanam Mahadavadhaanam .... Bhaja Govindam, Bhaja Govindam Meaning: Praanaayaamam - the control of all activities (of life's manifestations in you), Pratyaahaaram - the sense-withdrawal (from their respective sense-objects), Nitya anitya viveka vichaaram - the enquiry (reflection) consisting of discrimination between the permanent and the impermanent, Jaapya sameta samaadhi vidhaanam - along with japa and the practice of reaching the total inner-silence, Kuru - perform, Avadhaanam - with care, Mahat avadhaanam - with great care. Substance: Regulated breathing or pranas and sense control or withdrawal (from their respective sense-objects), reflection or discrimination (of values between permanent and the impermanent or eternal and the transient) along with japa on the holy name of God and meditation to reach the inner-self or to silence the turbulent mind - one has to perform these with care and extreme care. Commentary: The main concern of the devotee is to restrain the senses so that they will not run like unchecked horses without reins. In fact, Sri Adi Sankaracharya prescribed four fold sadhana to control and restrain the unbridled horses. They are, (1) pranaayam, i.e., control of breath, (2) withdrawal of senses, (3) discrimination, and (4) japa and meditation. All these and more are means to reach the end. Although they may not give the sadhaka immediate results, one should not feel despair and continue the efforts till one reaches the ultimate goal. The mind is the seat of all thoughts and activities. One has to be on the alert to keep the mind free from all kinds of negative thoughts. The intelligence should ever awake and work as a guard to the mind, as only the intelligence is bestowed with the discriminatory powers between good and bad, true and false, permanent and impermanent, reality and appearance, etc. Praana consists of five distinct modifications. They are: Praana (perceptions and reception of things into the subjective life), apaana (rejection of things and responses), Vyaana, (the digestive system), Samaana (the circulatory system), and Udaana (the capacity to lift ourselves from our present state of understanding to a nobler and better peak of thought on the mount of knowledge). All these five elements put together is called Praanaayaama. Praanaayaama - a system of very regulated exercises of breathing - can really be achieved only through sustained and sincere practice, for sufficiently long time under the direct supervision of a trained teacher, of devotion to the Lord. While doing so, the sadhaka must control the mind from wandering away through the sense organs (Pratyaahaara). A discriminative intellect to distinguish between Nitya (Eternal) and Anitya (impermanent) should also be developed through constant and scientific thinking. To achieve this, one has to undertake Japa, a kind of training to balance the mind. As the mind gets tamed, viveka develops to understand the subtler meanings and deep imports of declarations. As one proceeds in this path, withdrawing one's mind at will without much difficulty, from all sense-objects, will become possible and one reaches a state of relative thoughtlessness ( Samaadhi). And, in Srimad Bhagavad Gita, it is said: Kaama yesha krodha yesha rajogunasamudbhavaha Mahaasano mahaapaapmaa viddhyenamiha vairinam Ch. III - 37 Kama or desire sprouts from Rajoguna and that turns into Krodha, resulting into complete destruction and anarchy. It cannot be quenched through fulfilment of desires. Added to it, it induces into committing countless sins. Therefore, know that desire is the biggest enemy. And Dhyaayato vishayaan punsaha sangsteshupajaayate Sangaat sanjaayate kaamaha kaamaat krodhibhijaayate Krodhadbhavati sammohaha sammohaat smritivibhramaha Sritibhramsad bhuddhi naaso buddhi naasaat pranasyati Ch. II - 62 and 63 Thinking about worldly matters, human beings develop interest, from interest sprouts kaama (desire) and when these desires are not fulfilled, krodha (anger) generates, from krodha emanates frustration and due to that, one loses balance and due to loss of balancing attitude, viveka disappears and due to that, one loses the remembering power. So, when we do not use the discriminatory faculty, we fall from the high pedastal of human being into the lowest levels of beasts. Unfortunately, this is what happening in the present day society. Sad indeed. But, let us not be pessimistic. Instead of blaming the darkness, let us try to lit a candle. I hope it is enough. Love and Love alone.... P. Gopi Krishna It is a kind of systematic and regular training, as it is just impossible to force the mind, crush the instincts, belabour the passions, etc., as force will create suppression, deformities and abominable ugliness of personality. So, one has to be careful in one's systematic and regular training to reach the Ultimate Reality. On 2/22/07, kanishk <kc3377 wrote: That means that unless we desire to follow the right path we cant....What is a human being's most intrinsic desire??And how to get rid of unreasonable desire's....??regards,kanishk Gita Prapann Parivar wrote: Ram Ram This is a wonderful question which all modern intellectuals who want to understand spirituality will ask. The answers that have come are all correct and there can be many more such answers from different perspectives and from people in different situations and circumstances. However, in my humble view the simple and truthful answer is only one: Because we do not truly want to follow the right path. If we truly want to, there is nothing on earth that can stop us – everything and everyone will help us in our endeavour. As the Gita says – you are your own worst enemy and your best friend (6:5). You have to want to do what should be done. 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Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 I do not think that there is a right or wrong path. There ios only path. One keeps on following the same. The moment we start analysing wheter it is right or wrong then whole problem comes. In Gita what Krishna says is SARVA DHARMAN PARTITYAJYA, MAMEKAM SARANAM VRAJAH.... what does it mean. Whether good or bad do not bother but perform your duty. HE will take care of every thing. > Then what is KARMASU KAUSALAM: When we start performing our actions without any motive or self interest we will automatically reach perfection. Such perfect actions will keep one away from the bondage of karmas. Both right and wrong are relative terms. When any work is started, it is generally on right path only. With the passage of time, the question of right or wrong will arise. With experience one will be able to make out whether the things are in order or not. , " Gita Prapann Parivar " <sadasya wrote: > > Ram Ram > > > This is a wonderful question which all modern intellectuals who want to > understand spirituality will ask. The answers that have come are all correct > and there can be many more such answers from different perspectives and from > people in different situations and circumstances. However, in my humble view > the simple and truthful answer is only one: > > Because we do not truly want to follow the right path. If we truly want to, > there is nothing on earth that can stop us - everything and everyone will > help us in our endeavour. As the Gita says - you are your own worst enemy > and your best friend (6:5). > > > You have to want to do what should be done. > > Ram Ram > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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